I will always use xp because it runs all the stuff I run and that's it
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well
I doubt it.
When a game is compiled there won't be that problem though. You'll have to
wait for the developers of those games to update them, or fix them yourself.
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Yep, i forgot about the view menue which wasn't clever, but I would prefer
that setup sinse the keys would be more accessible in battle and closer to
the sspacebar if I've got my hand on the arrows, - though it's up to you
of course.
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I have no issue with the keys as is.
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Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 9:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] keys was: MOTA (Standard) Beta 13 Released
Yep, i forgot about the view menue which wasn't
Hi Charles,
Alicia was not there last night, so it took me a few tries. I tried to drop
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brought it up to sort of my left shoulder and released the ball, it dropped on
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We are also currently trying to decide upon what access changes might need
making to the game, so some in put from people would be helpful,
particularly recognizing the fact that this game is ridiculously in depth
and takes a lot of getting into even before you start considdering acess
Ah I see. So it's more a matter of having more options. Options are good.
LOL.
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Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 11:03 PM
Subject: Re:
Hi Philip,
As I said very very cool. BGT is really coming along nicely. Evry time
you put out a new release it makes it that much better as a
development tool.
On 7/6/10, Philip Bennefall phi...@u7142039.fsdata.se wrote:
Hi Thomas,
I'm glad you think so. I'll be tweaking and adding a few more
Hi Shaun,
Oh, I don't know. A lot of the newer stuff for Windows 7 simply is not
backwards compatible with Windows XP. That's why Microsoft doesn't
have an upgrade installation that upgrades Windows XP to Windows 7 and
you have to do a complete reinstall. The operating systems are just
too
Hi,
To be honest that's something I don't quite get about VI computer
users. Just about everyone I've met uses classic start menu this,
classic desktop that, etc. Why in the heck not just use XP with the
default settings? I have ever since XP came out, I have never used the
classic menus etc, and
Hi,
Well, last I heard Windows XP is going to be supported until 2014
which is quite a while yet. Microsoft was going to drop support in
2011 but several corperations screamed bloody murder over that because
several businesses still haven't upgraded to Vista or Windows 7 yet.
Anyway, you have a
Hi,
If support will not be continued for old software then I at least wish that
developers didn't continually update the user interface to something that a
regular user has to start exploring all over again as if he were a beginner.
There are some pieces of software that I point blank refuse to
Hi Shaun,
Assuming I did use a laptop mode, which I am not going to do, not all
of the keys would change. I would simply setup all of the commands to
use the left control key rather than poll for a left and right control
key individually as it would in desktop mode.
However, as I said before what
Hi,
I think it's because, like me, some people just don't like change after so
long of getting used to it. It makes some people, including me, feel very
small and intimidated. Even if it is just as accessible, it's not what we
were brought up to use. I also use the classic menus.
If I have
Hi Hayden,
Ah, okay. I didn't remember that. I've made so many changes to the
game over the past two years I don't remember each and every change.
Smile.
On 7/6/10, Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com wrote:
Hi Thomas,
Yep, you did. That was either BETA 5 or 6 when you changed it.
Best
Hi,
True enough. Like I said though, to me, updating software does not mean
completely changing interfaces, removing popular features, changing the core
of the system. To me, updating is simply fixing bugs and adding new
features. One thing Windows could do with more of is accessibility
Hi Damien,
I know what you mean. I've looked at windows 7 myself, and it ran fine.
However, it's still a radical change from Xp.
Best Regards,
Hayden
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Sent: Wednesday,
Hi Damien,
You definitely have a good point there. However, as a software
developer myself I know one way we keep ourselves in business, make
our money, is simply by revamping our existing software products to
have a completely new look and feel along with a handful of bug fixes
and perhaps a new
Hi Damien,
One program suite that underwent some interesting interface changes was
office 2007. Although, I must say, the ribbon did make a couple of things a
little more accessible. I'll stop now, since this really isn't game related.
Smile.
Best Regards,
Hayden
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Hi Thomas,
I've checked out Microsoft's what's new on Office 10. I don't see anything
different. Though it's possible something I wouldn't know about until I
bought the thing had changed, and as much as Freedom Scientific can be put
at fault their tutorial for Office 07 wasn't that bad.
Best
I'd like to get WIndows 7 eventually since I hate Vista with a passion, but
right now I can't afford it. And by the time i can it's likely that the new
Windows will be out anyway so who knows.
We are the Knights who say...Ni!
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From: Damien Pendleton
Hi Thomas,
One thing I like about the classic start menu is that you can add things to
it with out worrying how many thousands of program shortcuts you'll get as
well. The XP start menu is certainly as accessible, but I get irritated for
some reason when I find that my start menu has 10 programs
Hi Thomas,
Thinking of changing your engine? Grin
Best Regards,
Hayden
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Behalf Of Thomas Ward
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 8:16 AM
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Subject: Re:
Hi Thomas,
Lol. I can't blame you.
Best Regards,
Hayden
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From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Thomas Ward
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 9:19 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] MOTA (Standard) Beta 13
I'm using Microsoft Word 7, unfortunately. They switched from classic
pulldown menus to a stupid ribbon system. It might look?? better, but I!
don't! care! It's not as user friendly if you cannot see it, and, to me,
that's what matters. Microsoft Word 2003 was much more intuitive and easily
Hi Thomas,
Thinking of changing your engine? Grin
Best Regards,
Hayden
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Behalf Of Thomas Ward
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 8:16 AM
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Subject: Re:
Hi Phillip,
Do you ever intend to make an IDE for BGT?
Best Regards,
Hayden
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Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 12:04 AM
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey]
Hi Charles,
Yes, Microsoft certainly could have kept the Windows 98 look and feel
in XP, Vista, and Windows 7, but it all comes back to what I said
earlier about perceived obsolescence. Part of what a software
developer does to make money, I should know since I am one, is update
the user interface
Games are updated and improved through the use of patches instead of
entirely different cores and layouts in a lot of cases, aren't they? Games,
just like an OS, are software. Should it be absolutely necessary to buy a
game controller and never use your keyboard again if you want to play the
Hi
I missed the announcement. will the new bgt have features to enable you to make
a game with little or no scripting knowledge? in other words to roll out a game
quickly?
Josh Kennedy
jkenn...@gmail.com
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Chess, too, is ancient history. Has it been discarded because it is over a
thousand years old? No. It has evolved, but not thrown out. Why? Because
it does what it was designed to do, and it still works. So does XP, and it
should be updated rather than just thrown out because it is old
I'm up for a star wars game! I can help if you want with sounds etc
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Behalf Of Thomas Ward
Sent: 11 June 2010 06:37
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Star Trekk Games, both Final
Which beta/alpha is it?
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Behalf Of dark
Sent: 11 June 2010 09:08
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] startrek games
I have the last beta which was released under the n ame
I turn off the visual effects and I run xp because it's more memory and
processor efficient.
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To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Tomb Hunter Error
You hit the nail on the head by saying, as I updated to Office 2007 when I
got my new laptop in 2008 I see no compelling reason to buy Office 2010 as
there is really nothing new that 2007 doesn't already do for me personally.
So what would you think if you had?? to buy it becaise Office 2007
Hi Charles and all,
Yes, I take your point, but comparing something like Chess to a piece
of computer software like XP isn't a fair comparison in my opinion.
What it really boils down to is simple economics and making money.
You are totally looking at this from a consumers point of view. You
want
Hi Charles,
Quite agreed. Blind people should be able to use a piece of software without
having to use set files, scripts, map files, macros and goodness knows what
else just to make it work. The mainstream industry should care about
everybody without being so prejudiced. It's the same with
Hi Charles,
Not really. The reason is I am willing to see both sides of the
argument clearly. I am able to see it both from a customers point of
view and a software developers point of view and I pretty much
understand why they do what they do even if I don't always agree with
it personally. I
So instead of creating inovative software, they'd rather mess around with
user interfaces and change their dot net and whatnot so people have to
update. While some of the standard libraries become out of date the process
doesn't usually happen so fast if a propper standard is followed. Java is
Hi Charles,
Well, that may be, but regardless of what we think Microsoft isn't
exactly going to change their minds. They have their opinion we have
ours, and we either have to roll with the change or get left behind as
we stick with XP until our computers fall apart and their are no more
upgrades
I know. The consumer always gets the business end of the shaft.
By the way, I haven't loaded MOTA beta 13 onto this laptop PC because of the
keystroke discussion. However, I would think that I could, because I use an
external keyboard. Just my luck, though, if I started working with the
Hi Charles,
Well, in that case the only answer I can give you and the others is go
Linux. Then, you don't have to end up paying for upgrades etc. If you
don't like that solution to the problem then there is really nothing
anyone can do for you guys.
There is really no point incontinuing this
Discovered this this morning and have checked several times and it is ever
present:
glitch:
1. you can have 2 torches running at once (at least), and the torch that
runs out doesn't let the other one burn, if that makes sense.
2. when you die with a torch on, when you return to the main menu,
,
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The one I'm working on at the moment will have sound in it, though the games I
have ported from other operating systems
do not have sound, they are located at:
http://www.softcon.com/mac/
and you will find some games there, as well as other things that you may or may
not find useful.
Thanks for
Hi Willem,
Oh, absolutely. I agree with you. I am also a fan of open source for
exactly those points you made.
With Linux software upgrades are simply just upgrades. Open Office,
for example, has the same relative interface it always has had since
1.0. It has more features, several bug fixes, etc
Hi Charles,
Smile. Yep that is Business 101. We keep the gold and you get the shaft. Lol!
As for MOTA beta 13 I should have a patch this weekend that fixes that
keyboard issue. I am hoping to release beta 14 sometime next week with
a bunch of these miner updates etc.
On 7/7/10, Charles Rivard
Hello Ben,
Thanks for the bug report although we happen to know about this bug
for quite some time. Unfortunately, we have not been able to resolve
the source of this bug/issue yet. Anyway, thanks for posting though.
Cheers!
On 7/7/10, Ben gamehead...@aol.co.uk wrote:
Discovered this this
For me, using classic menue settings isn't anything to do with
accessibility, it's because I really hate the business microsoft has of
reactive controls and menues such as auto complete, most recently viewed
etc.
i like to index things such as favourites lists, program shortcuts etc the
way
This already known and on the to do list. But so far Thomas hasn't found a
solution.
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Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 11:18 AM
Subject: [Audyssey] mota
Wouldn't Microsoft make more money if they would quit reinventing the
automobile and charge a small fee for adding spokes or tires with different
tread patterns to the wheels, improving performance, while cutting down the
expense of development? This is, for the most part, what Freedom
I personally don't have anything against upgrading accept that various
things I currently have, such as older games will no longer be supported,
which will be a pain.
Look at all the topics about how to play cpmsp;e stu;e games like fallthru,
eamon delux, world of legends or drone, and when
well I have no plans to get 7 or any new updated readers or anything
unless I suddenly need that.
Ofcause I may be forced to do it half way as things like our next
system will probably have win7 though since we are all xp if we can
stay with that no biggy.
Sertainly if I get my next system its
I also aggree.
I have the libs but it would be good if you got stuff and were able
to get say if windows couldn't find a file it would search for
libraries it needed then install them.
as long as they were standard libs.
At 04:35 a.m. 8/07/2010, you wrote:
Hi Charles,
Quite agreed. Blind
If I understand it right, all the rubbish we don't want, and would disable
because we don't want it, is there for a reason that would be defeated by
disabling it. And there's one of the complaints. Why buy it and then not
use it? It's because Microsoft says so. It's baloney.
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I aggree with you on that.
I personally thought the office 97 and later 2003 interface works out
of the box.
so does the win xp interface.
ie 6 works well to well its interface does.
But people normal people want fancy buttons and search boxes.
If there was a way to run the older win interface
I don't mind going up and up but so quickly?
there is an addon that is supposed to work for the office updated versions.
I always fix things that I can get away with even installing extra
things so I have an easier job but ms fixes things by chucking everything away.
NOt to mention security
Bloody capitalism!
I did actually find the switch to office 2007 quite irritating, not that it
was expressly inaccessible, but having to look for things like spellcheck in
random places was a real pain (I stil haven't found the wordcount option).
It is ultimately an inherent access problem
well you just need to get used to the right control key with the ext keyboard.
if you are forced to use a laptop board light a torch and then check
how many but you probably can remember what you have anyway.
I know. The consumer always gets the business end of the shaft.
By the way, I
true, I have no needs for upgrades but there are casts where people
find the system real easy.
I suppose you adjust to things.
right now for example I have to hit a few keys and then open this and that.
in the newer system you have search boxes everywhere which suck but
you can also seardch for
A friend of mine has a theory.
Back in 1980, microsoft made a perfectly secure absolutely fantastic, and
completely user friendly operating system called windows.
They then realized that if they released it, they'd never have to release
another os, which would mean no more money!
So, they
I do wonder though, why they can't put in the classic mode.
Afterall, it's not just the wiz kid computer junkies who will buy newer
versions, it's people like my dad, who are absolutely computer novices and
find the hole business with menue ribbons and flashy graphical shenanigans
something
well I think the xp interface is supperia to win 9x ever was.
the win7 interface?
well if you can get classic menus back maybe and other things maybe.
if not i think its a crazy system but then some say its actually quite good.
At 03:46 a.m. 8/07/2010, you wrote:
Hi Charles,
Yes, Microsoft
h aparently is 7 but hmmm
At 04:19 a.m. 8/07/2010, you wrote:
I turn off the visual effects and I run xp because it's more memory
and processor efficient.
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Sent: Wednesday,
Do you think Microsoft are doing only a few sales? At this moment they have
the largest market share, mainly because of the miss conseption that you get
what you pay for, so free software should be rubbish and because most games
need microsoft. Also it is an infinite circle (the more people own
in fairness this is just capitalism for you.
What is required is something that sells, not necessarily something with is
better, more economical, more user friendly or anything else.
ultimately it comes down to the fact that the vast majority of companies are
there to generate prophit, not
Hi Dark,
Oh, I know. It is a serious pain when older games won't run on newer
Windows releases. I know Windows 7 professional has an XP
compatibility mode, but I really don't know how well that works with
any of the games you mentioned below. However, compatibility modes
only go so far. That's why
Microsoft does have an excuse um I mean accessibility solutions, like their
sapi voices and charmap.
They show it off to make people see how kind they are accomadating the
disabled.
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Sent:
I think this is another thing that hits accessible games far harder, sinse
there are fewer users, and even fewer people who can investigate
compatibility options.
Take for instance one game I have, the original Turrican 2 released for Dos
in 1991. Someone has created a pre-configured version
Yes, that's why we all use that great microsoft provided screen reader known
as narrator ;D.
The words tocan gesture rather leap to mind here.
Beware the Grue!
Dark.
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Sent: Wednesday,
hi travis.
well looked at the docs for your games some look good the battle star
one looks quite good.
I was never able to finnish that in dos.
unfortunately there is a 0 byte file in the zip called com1.c which is corrupt.
By mistake i was able to get that to extract to a directory on my
Meanwhile, what they don't show is the nightmare that software developers
have to get their software able to be actually used by those who cannot see.
I worked for a major credit card company that proudly proclaimed that they
were always willing and able to hire the handicapped and work with
Hi All,
My current game of aurora is entitled Blind Newbie Experiment. It's
pretty much what that title implies: I'm a newbie experimenting to see how
well I can get Aurora to work for us blind folk.
One thing that occured to me was that some kind of after-action report
with an accessibility
Hi Dark,
Exactly. You just hit the nail on the head. All that it really boils
down to is capitalism at its worst. Nothing more and nothing less
than that.
It is no secret that after the United States won the war of
independance one of the first things Alexander Hamelton did was setup
a new
When will the FPS be released?
My audio games for the blind group.
Discussions off topic are welcome in the holidays. Talking about games is
welcome, talking about computer problems is welcome when their are know
holidays but that's only in easter holidays or know holidays. If you want to
Hi Dark,
I think it is a case of won't rather than can't. they could do
anything they want in terms of going back to classic mode as they
shode with Windows XP, but Microsoft just decided to enforce the new
look on everybody sighted, blind, young, and old alike.
Smile.
On 7/7/10, dark
I do find it slightly odd that they don't considder a less cluttered and
flashy display method, ie, a classic mode for as I said, computer
novices, - but as you said earlier Tom, microsoft have a monopoly,
therefore they pretty much dictate, and everyone, blind, sited, novice,
experience
You certainly have my attention. I love the idea of a sprawling
single-player strategy game, as I often have to snatch game play time in odd
moments when others wouldn't necessarily be available. I loved Anacreon for
this reason.
Chris Bartlett
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Hi All,
Well, I figured I'd start this little periodic action report with a bit of
background. The current situation is easy enough to summarize, and there
are a few access issues I need to mention too.
To begin with, Aurora requires a high screen resolution. Aside from the
irony of a blind
When it's ready.
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Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Windows Versions was Tomb Hunter Error
When will the FPS
Hi Thomas,
I recall, in the last few weeks or so, you mentioning a bronze breastplate.
Is that just in the game on expert, or have I simply had no luck in locating
it?
Best Regards,
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Patience, grasshopper. Good things come to those who wait.
Best Regards,
Hayden
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Behalf Of Thomas Ward
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 2:58 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re:
It's the same answer you're gonna get whenever you ask about when a game
will be made available. When! it! is! ready!
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Hi Charles,
Lol, thatseems to be the way Microsoft works, you nailed it on the head.
Best Regards,
Hayden
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Behalf Of Charles Rivard
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 2:41 PM
To: Gamers Discussion
Hi Dark,
Oh yes, Narrator is excellent. Even if it cost $2000, I'd still buy it! Or
not?
Best Regards,
Hayden
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Behalf Of dark
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 2:30 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Hi Dark,
Spell check's easy enough, just hit F7. As for word count, just alt t, then
w.
Best Regards,
Hayden
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Behalf Of Willem
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 2:14 PM
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Hi Thomas,
Could you just imagine it? Jim, taking all of his games, and upgrading them
from VB 6 to VB .Net? Talk about a nightmare! Though, I can't say, since I
haven't really checked out .net, and my knowledge with VB6 is also quite
limited.
Best Regards,
Hayden
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Hi Dark,
Lol, that's quite a conspiracy theory. Though, it would work, since...well,
they are still in business, even after the nightmare that goes by the name
Windows Vista.
Best Regards,
Hayden
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From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org]
Yes, but mr b.g has fallen from the richest to only about the fourth richest
person in the world. How sad for him.
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To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 1:57 AM
Subject: Re:
Hi Hayden,
Oh, I would imagine that would be a major undertaking for any game
developer. The differences between VB 6 and VB .Net are quite
sugnificant. For a developer that knows both it wouldn't be so much
difficult as totally time consuming. Unfortunately, for a developer
like Jim Kitchen he
Hi Dark,
Well, that's why I wish more game companies would do what ID Software
has done in the past with several of their major titles and release
their old releases as open source after so many years has passed. ID
Software released Doom I in 1993 and Quake I in 1996 and both are now
open source
The main down side to Audio Quake I saw is that I couldn't find the demo,
and that seems about as far as the accessibility went apparently.
We are the Knights who say...Ni!
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To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Hi Bryan,
Right. Audio Quake certainly could have been done better in my opinion
etc, but that wasn't really my point. The fact is ID Software put
Quake out there in the public domain and I could grab the source and
produce a fully accessible Quake clone tomorrow if I were so inclined
to do so. I
Hi,
VB6 has a poor implementation of OOP called class modules. They can
certainly improve VB6 developers programs, but are missing key
elements, such as inheritance.
The switch from VB6 to VB.NET was the best thing I've ever done!
(Okay, maybe that's a little exaggerated.) What I don't think
Hi Charles,
Believe it or not Microsoft was actually considering something like
that back in 2001 just before Windows XP was released. The roomer was
that with XP you would purchase the operating system and then pay a
monthly or yearly subscription to the Windows update service. I don't
know what
Hi Hayden,
That is one of those works still in progress.It is technically in the
game, but it is currently unavailable in beta 13 as I got side tracked
from working on that with other things such as the view menu, adding
extra doors, fixing several bugs, etc. So the work on the bronze
brestplate
Hi,
Someone on this list asked for direct links to Aurora and its patches.
Here they are, in the proper order:
http://www.pentarch.org/steve/AuroraInstall491.zip
http://www.pentarch.org/steve/Aurora510.zip
http://www.pentarch.org/steve/Aurora514.zip
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