Re: [Gimp-developer] GimpCon RFC: Portable XCF

2003-08-14 Thread Leonard Rosenthol
At 8:45 AM -0700 8/12/03, Nathan Carl Summers wrote: Not necessarily. You should be able to do it with any format with a good catalog system, but some will be easier than others. How would you handle resizes? Either we could do immediate compaction or garbage collection. Both have their

Re: [Gimp-developer] GimpCon RFC: Portable XCF

2003-08-14 Thread Leonard Rosenthol
At 6:13 AM -0700 8/14/03, Nathan Carl Summers wrote: AFAICT, there is nothing stopping Gimp developers from creating a potatoshop plugin that can read XCF. That is definitely true! Absolutely nothing prevents this - and certainly sounds like a great idea for someone... You could get that

Re: [Gimp-developer] Portable XFC

2003-08-14 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, I'd like to mention that none of the proposed formats except the XML approach would be capable of supporting the stuff we want to add to GIMP with GEGL. I don't think any existing format could be sanely extended to support complex render graphs as will be introduced with GEGL. We are not

Re: [Gimp-developer] Portable XFC

2003-08-14 Thread Leonard Rosenthol
At 8:32 PM -0300 8/13/03, Joao S. O. Bueno wrote: People have considered TIFF, PSD in this newer thread - before the Camp, on the list, we were almost closed in an ar archive, with XML informatin and possibly PNG raster data inside. Which is still a valid approach, but would DEFINITELY require

Re: [Gimp-developer] Portable XFC

2003-08-14 Thread Nathan Carl Summers
On Thu, 21 Aug 2003, Leonard Rosenthol wrote: At 1:47 PM +0200 8/14/03, Sven Neumann wrote: I'd like to mention that none of the proposed formats except the XML approach would be capable of supporting the stuff we want to add to GIMP with GEGL. Well, that pretty much settles that

Re: [Gimp-developer] GimpCon RFC: Portable XCF

2003-08-14 Thread Manish Singh
On Wed, Aug 20, 2003 at 08:54:55PM -0400, Leonard Rosenthol wrote: At 11:42 PM + 8/13/03, Phil Harper wrote: as for TIFF, you wouldn't be able to do it in a standard readable TIFF, This, however, is wrong! We can represent EVERYTHING in GIMP today, and EVERYTHING for GEGL (etc.)

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: GimpCon RFC: Portable XCF

2003-08-14 Thread Stephen J Baker
Leonard Rosenthol wrote: At 8:47 AM -0700 8/12/03, Nathan Carl Summers wrote: This is what I mean by a standard that people can have confidence in -- people should trust that if their program writes good XCF's that a good program will be able to read it. Right! If a program writes GOOD

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: GimpCon RFC: Portable XCF

2003-08-14 Thread Stephen J Baker
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (2003-08-21 at 1016.13 -0400): At 11:42 PM -0700 8/13/03, Manish Singh wrote: Supports IEEE floats, but not float16 (a 32-bit float cut in half). RH added this to filmgimp since they had established this format in their workflow with other tools already. Why would you only use

[Gimp-developer] Compiling 1.3 or CVS

2003-08-14 Thread Olle Viksten
I've been trying now for three days to get 1.3 to work. When I compile the latest source it seems to work fine. But when I run the gimp-1.3 it just exits with the message: The program 'gimp-1.3' received an X Window System error. This probably reflects a bug in the program. The error was

Re: [Gimp-developer] GimpCon RFC: Portable XCF

2003-08-14 Thread Carol Spears
Phil Harper wrote: From: Leonard Rosenthol [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Nathan Carl Summers [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: The Gimp Developers' list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Gimp-developer] GimpCon RFC: Portable XCF Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 10:40:51 -0400 At 8:45 AM -0700 8/12/03, Nathan Carl Summers wrote:

Re: [Gimp-developer] GimpCon RFC: Portable XCF

2003-08-14 Thread Leonard Rosenthol
At 8:26 PM -0400 8/13/03, Carol Spears wrote: What about mng? It contains png and has layers and comments. Yes, but still has the limitations of no-CMYK (Lab, ICC, etc.) colorspaces (among other things) out of the box... Seems to be basically unmaintained. PNG/MNG/JNG is fully supported and

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: GimpCon RFC: Portable XCF

2003-08-14 Thread Nathan Carl Summers
On Thu, 14 Aug 2003, Øyvind Kolås wrote: * Adam D. Moss [EMAIL PROTECTED] [030814 09:59]: Stephen J Baker wrote: So, I think what is needed to make a reliable file format is to provide a well written library for reading and writing the files that's freely available and properly

[Gimp-developer] PS vs. PDF

2003-08-14 Thread Leonard Rosenthol
At 5:40 PM +0100 8/14/03, Mukund wrote: On Wed, Aug 20, 2003 at 07:45:33PM -0400, Leonard Rosenthol wrote: | Because Postscript is dead. PostScript is far from dead. You would be banishing the entire publishing industry if you say PostScript is dead :-) I guess I should say that Postscript

Re: [Gimp-developer] Portable XFC

2003-08-14 Thread Joao S. O. Bueno
Thank you for the comments. I quite much agree with all of them, I just threw it in because I think it'd more interesting than TIFF or PSD alltogether. Quite informative is the part about Adobe patents. I will no longer mention PS as a native file format, GSview is quite good as a PS loader as

Re: [Gimp-developer] [FEATURE] Some plug-in settings should bepersistent accross sessions

2003-08-14 Thread Raphaël Quinet
On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 22:23:23 +0200, David Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=63610 [...] It would be nice if preferences for plug-ins survived session changes. The way to do this might be in saving them to an rc file without providing an interface to

Re: [Gimp-developer] Third big serious meeting from GIMPcon

2003-08-14 Thread Michael Schumacher
On 9 Aug 2003 at 18:35, Leonard Rosenthol wrote: At 8:36 PM +0200 8/9/03, Dave Neary wrote: Another reason may be that it is difficult to build the development version because it depends on released versions of some libraries that are not included yet in the major GNU/Linux distributions

Re: [Gimp-developer] GimpCon RFC: Portable XCF

2003-08-14 Thread Daniel Rogers
Leonard Rosenthol wrote: At 11:42 PM -0700 8/13/03, Manish Singh wrote: GEGL uses XYZ as a native format. Why? Lab is a richer model esp. for handling chromanicity and is also a standard in the print world natively. Why limit to XYZ?? I am not sure what you mean by a richer model.

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: GimpCon RFC: Portable XCF

2003-08-14 Thread Adam D. Moss
Guillermo S. Romero / Familia Romero wrote: To some extent, it reminds me of the Blender format (with the add on that Blender files are 64 or 32 bit, little or big endian, and all the plataforms can load them fine... Adam will love it :] ). I wrote a Blender file reading C library as part of my

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: GimpCon RFC: Portable XCF

2003-08-14 Thread Øyvind Kolås
* Leonard Rosenthol [EMAIL PROTECTED] [030814 18:06]: At 4:41 PM +0200 8/14/03, Øyvind Kolås wrote: The baseline GEGL library will be exactly the baseline functionality needed to be able to something useful with the file,. compositing the layers, layer groups, and effect layers into a single

Re: [Gimp-developer] [FEATURE] Some plug-in settings should bepersistent accross sessions

2003-08-14 Thread pcg
On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 09:45:46AM +0200, Raphal Quinet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would be nice if preferences for plug-ins survived session changes. The way to do this might be in saving them to an rc file without providing an interface to changing them in the normal I doubt that we

Re: [Gimp-developer] gimp 1.3.18 - Pink backgrounds on GIF's

2003-08-14 Thread Adam D. Moss
Adam D. Moss wrote: Okay, in that case I think I must have made a mistake in the forward-port of the 1.2.x fix to 1.3.x, because I can't reproduce this in my 1.2.x tree with the equivilent GIF plugin 4.01.00 fix in it. I'll try to spot what the forward-port does differently. I can't see anything

Re: [Gimp-developer] gimp 1.3.18 - Pink backgrounds on GIF's

2003-08-14 Thread Adam D. Moss
Steven P. Ulrick wrote: How do I reproduce the problem -- would I be right in thinking that if I load the GIF above, then re-save it again and re-load the result then the resulting GIF will have a pink background? I answered this question in my response above, but to reiterate, the answer is yes,

Re: [Gimp-developer] gimp 1.3.18 - Pink backgrounds on GIF's

2003-08-14 Thread Tom Mraz
It is probably this checkin: http://cvs.gnome.org/bonsai/cvsview2.cgi?diff_mode=contextwhitespace_mode=showfile=gifload.cbranch=root=/cvs/gnomesubdir=/gimp/plug-ins/commoncommand=DIFF_FRAMESETrev1=1.30rev2=1.31 The guchar - gchar change without correcting the code using the buf isn't probably

[Gimp-developer] printing with gimp-1.3

2003-08-14 Thread BoehmeSilvio
Hi ! I have some problems, to print with gimp-1.3 and gimp-print. Here is my setup: I need =gimp-print-4.3.18, because with my Epson Photo 950, this is the only driver, that gives very good printing results. (with CUPS/KDE...) gimp-print-4.3.18 with option --with-gimp needs gimp-1.2 to

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: GimpCon RFC: Portable XCF

2003-08-14 Thread Stephen J Baker
Austin Donnelly wrote: How is the serialization done then, just a raw 32-bit IEEE float dump with a predefined endianness? 64-bit doubles just as easy? The real problem comes when your code is running on a system without IEEE float support, and you need to manually convert from IEEE float to your

Re: [Gimp-developer] GimpCon RFC: Portable XCF

2003-08-14 Thread Carol Spears
Leonard Rosenthol wrote: At 8:26 PM -0400 8/13/03, Carol Spears wrote: What about mng? It contains png and has layers and comments. Yes, but still has the limitations of no-CMYK (Lab, ICC, etc.) colorspaces (among other things) out of the box... The last time I got the mng libraries,

Re: [Gimp-developer] GimpCon RFC: Portable XCF

2003-08-14 Thread Carol Spears
Leonard Rosenthol wrote: At 6:51 PM -0700 8/13/03, Manish Singh wrote: Does TIFF support, for example, float16 data, or a CIE XYZ colorspace? Yes to both... I'm somewhat concerned with going with an externally standardized format, then running into a wall with it at some later point,

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: GimpCon RFC: Portable XCF

2003-08-14 Thread Nathan Carl Summers
On Mon, 11 Aug 2003, Adam D. Moss wrote: Nathan Carl Summers wrote: On Mon, 11 Aug 2003, Adam D. Moss wrote: IIRC, the Loki guys. Some ramblings a few years ago on the problems of interoperability of game data between windows/mac/linuxx86/linuxalpha/etc over network and on disk. They made

Re: [Gimp-developer] Portable XFC

2003-08-14 Thread Leonard Rosenthol
At 1:47 PM +0200 8/14/03, Sven Neumann wrote: I'd like to mention that none of the proposed formats except the XML approach would be capable of supporting the stuff we want to add to GIMP with GEGL. Well, that pretty much settles that discussion... So let's start talking XML + archive again,

Re: [Gimp-developer] gimp 1.3.18 - Pink backgrounds on GIF's

2003-08-14 Thread Adam D. Moss
Jeff Trefftzs wrote: On Mon, 2003-08-11 at 08:49, Adam D. Moss wrote: Hi. Jeff Trefftzs wrote: Without getting fancy, I just tried this image in gimp-1.3.18 (Linux, RedHat 9). It opened with the pink background Wait, it OPENED with the pink background? You didn't have to save it out again

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: GimpCon RFC: Portable XCF

2003-08-14 Thread Leonard Rosenthol
At 10:06 AM +0200 8/14/03, Øyvind Kolås wrote: Which is why I in an earlier mail suggested developing a GEGL file format that gimp could extend and use a subset of. By doing it this way, gegl would be the aforementioned file loading, and compositing library,. But that seems like an EXTREMELY

[Gimp-developer] A couple of weeks laying low...

2003-08-14 Thread Dave Neary
Hi all, So, I made my plane (thanks to Roman drc), and am now kind of recovered. I had hoped to get some computer time after a few days to take care of some backlog stuff, and keep abreast of bugs for 1.3.19... unfortunately, it now looks like I'm going to have very limited time over the

[Gimp-developer] Re: PS vs. PDF

2003-08-14 Thread Mukund
On Thu, Aug 14, 2003 at 01:34:01PM -0400, Leonard Rosenthol wrote: | | Implementing a full PDF parser is definitely much harder than a full | PostScript parser. PDF more or less encompasses PostScript. | | You are quite misinformed... | | PDF is a static file format of structured

Re: [Gimp-developer] GimpCon RFC: Portable XCF

2003-08-14 Thread Leonard Rosenthol
At 3:33 PM -0400 8/14/03, Carol Spears wrote: So this combination would answer your LAB CMYK issues and possibly my need to use a greater than 256 color palette then? No, it would not. ICC profiling is a VERY different thing that actual raw CMYK or Lab data... Paletizing of an image is

[Gimp-developer] Implementing dynamic brush features

2003-08-14 Thread Valerie Van Kerckhove
Hello. Recently I posted the following enhancement proposal: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=119240 Basically, it's about adding dynamic brush features. Right now, the only non-tablet controled dynamic brush feature is color, with the gradient brush, so I'm suggesting that something

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: GimpCon RFC: Portable XCF

2003-08-14 Thread Joao S. O. Bueno
Stephen J Baker wrote: Austin Donnelly wrote: How is the serialization done then, just a raw 32-bit IEEE float dump with a predefined endianness? 64-bit doubles just as easy? The real problem comes when your code is running on a system without IEEE float support, and you need to manually

Re: [Gimp-developer] ANNOUNCE: GIMP 1.3.18 released

2003-08-14 Thread Dave Neary
Quoting Henrik Brix Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Mon, 2003-08-11 at 15:00, Raphaël Quinet wrote: Here is what was discussed, according to the minutes of the Second GIMPCon meeting written by Dave (and double-checked by comparing with my own notes, just in case): 1 or 2 developer

[Gimp-developer] Re: GimpCon RFC: Portable XCF

2003-08-14 Thread Leonard Rosenthol
At 7:52 PM +0200 8/14/03, Guillermo S. Romero / Familia Romero wrote: The spec is only updated every 18-24 months when Adobe releases a new version of Photoshop - so you definitely don't wait for that! As for the other, yes, that is true you could wait, but nobody does... Where are those

Re: [Gimp-developer] GimpCon RFC: Portable XCF

2003-08-14 Thread Nathan Carl Summers
On Wed, 20 Aug 2003, Leonard Rosenthol wrote: At 11:42 PM + 8/13/03, Phil Harper wrote: well, it'd be interesting to see if Adobe added XCF to Photo$hop, after all, GIMP is the competition, it wouldn't be in their interests to support a multilayered image format that it controlled by

Re: [Gimp-developer] Portable XFC

2003-08-14 Thread Nathan Carl Summers
On Thu, 14 Aug 2003, Sven Neumann wrote: [Note: quote blocks have been reordered for clarity] Hi, I'd like to mention that none of the proposed formats except the XML approach would be capable of supporting the stuff we want to add to GIMP with GEGL. On the contrary, my proposal would

Re: [Gimp-developer] gimp 1.3.18 - Pink backgrounds on GIF's

2003-08-14 Thread Steven P. Ulrick
On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 12:30:10 +0100 Adam D. Moss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steven P. Ulrick wrote: http://www.faith4miracle.org/FaithLogo-circle.gif ... the image always displays properly before I open it in Gimp 1.3.17 or 1.3.18. Whenever I have saved one of the images that was given a

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: GimpCon RFC: Portable XCF

2003-08-14 Thread Nathan Carl Summers
On Mon, 11 Aug 2003, Guillermo S. Romero / Familia Romero wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (2003-08-08 at 1801.54 -0700): Portable XCF would use a chunk system similar to PNG, with two major differences. First, chunk type would be a string instead of a 32-bit value. Second, chunks can contain an

Re: [Gimp-developer] GimpCon RFC: Portable XCF

2003-08-14 Thread Leonard Rosenthol
At 11:42 PM -0700 8/13/03, Manish Singh wrote: Supports IEEE floats, but not float16 (a 32-bit float cut in half). RH added this to filmgimp since they had established this format in their workflow with other tools already. Why would you only use half of a 32bit float?? That reduces your

RE: [Gimp-developer] Re: GimpCon RFC: Portable XCF

2003-08-14 Thread Austin Donnelly
How is the serialization done then, just a raw 32-bit IEEE float dump with a predefined endianness? 64-bit doubles just as easy? Yup. The real problem comes when your code is running on a system without IEEE float support, and you need to manually convert from IEEE float to your local

[Gimp-developer] GimpCon RFC: Portable XCF

2003-08-14 Thread Nathan Carl Summers
Several XCF formats have already been proposed; why should I propose another? It seems to me like the existing proposals have all missed the main point. While they have nice properties for certain extreme cases, they miss the boat when it comes to the main point of a graphics format, which is to

Re: [Gimp-developer] GimpCon RFC: Portable XCF

2003-08-14 Thread Tino Schwarze
On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 01:33:50AM -0400, Leonard Rosenthol wrote: why would i want to save to a file format that would render my image that's built up of layer masks and vector text layers really badly if opened in a standard viewer Because at least you COULD open it up in a

Re: [Gimp-developer] Portable XFC

2003-08-14 Thread Mukund
On Wed, Aug 20, 2003 at 07:45:33PM -0400, Leonard Rosenthol wrote: | | Because Postscript is dead. It hasn't been updated in over 6 | years, and Adobe themselves are slowly moving towards PDF-based | solutions, including printing. PostScript is far from dead. You would be banishing the

[Gimp-developer] Re: GimpCon RFC: Portable XCF

2003-08-14 Thread Guillermo S. Romero / Familia Romero
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (2003-08-08 at 1801.54 -0700): 7 able to support many color depth and spaces PNG certainly supports 1,2,6,7,9,10, and 11. Let us examine the other IIRC (did I read the spec wrongly maybe?) the upper limit is RGBA with 16 bit per channel, no arbitrary color spaces or data

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP HEAD Win32 binaries

2003-08-14 Thread Branko Collin
On 13 Aug 2003, at 5:32, Tor Lillqvist wrote: www.gimp.org/win32/gimp-head-20030813.zip. Perhaps I read over this somewhere, but GIMP HEAD for Windows also seems to require libart. The libart for Windows I downloaded from somewhere off the internet had to be renamed to libart_lgpl_2-2.dll.

Re: [Gimp-developer] GimpCon RFC: Portable XCF

2003-08-14 Thread Nathan Carl Summers
On Sat, 9 Aug 2003, Leonard Rosenthol wrote: I see fast loads as an absolute requirement. Then we need to also look at the GIMP itself and what can be done there. Of course. Hopefully, GIMP's file handling will improve to the point where it will load thing on an as-needed basis.

[Gimp-developer] Re: Implementing dynamic brush features

2003-08-14 Thread Guillermo S. Romero / Familia Romero
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (2003-08-12 at 1721.12 +0100): Right now, the only non-tablet controled dynamic brush feature is color, with the gradient brush, Direction works too. Now, as I pointed out in Bugzilla, I've since found out that Photoshop 7 has some new dynamic features (see screenshots

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: GimpCon RFC: Portable XCF

2003-08-14 Thread Adam D. Moss
Nathan Carl Summers wrote: On Mon, 11 Aug 2003, Adam D. Moss wrote: IIRC, the Loki guys. Some ramblings a few years ago on the problems of interoperability of game data between windows/mac/linuxx86/linuxalpha/etc over network and on disk. They made a special point of saying something like 'never,

RE: [Gimp-developer] Re: GimpCon RFC: Portable XCF

2003-08-14 Thread Nathan Carl Summers
On Tue, 12 Aug 2003, Austin Donnelly wrote: How is the serialization done then, just a raw 32-bit IEEE float dump with a predefined endianness? 64-bit doubles just as easy? Yup. The real problem comes when your code is running on a system without IEEE float support, and you need to

Re: [Gimp-developer] [FEATURE] Some plug-in settings should bepersistent accross sessions

2003-08-14 Thread Raphaël Quinet
On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 11:51:05 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ( Marc) (A.) (Lehmann ) wrote: On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 09:45:46AM +0200, Raphaël Quinet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would be nice if preferences for plug-ins survived session changes. The way to do this might be in saving them to an rc

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: GimpCon RFC: Portable XCF

2003-08-14 Thread Leonard Rosenthol
At 6:29 PM +0200 8/14/03, Øyvind Kolås wrote: Then you jsut want to be able to understand the XML file, which is the reason I proposed using something like xml in the first place, the rest of the logic would then be contained in your application. Well, yes, I need to understand the FILE

Re: [Gimp-developer] Portable XFC

2003-08-14 Thread Nathan Carl Summers
On Thu, 14 Aug 2003, Sven Neumann wrote: Hi, I never understood the reasoning for this discussion anyway. IMHO the format that Nathan suggested seems like something from the dark ages of file formats (where TIFF and the like originated from). PNG is something from the dark ages? I

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP HEAD Win32 binaries

2003-08-14 Thread Branko Collin
On 13 Aug 2003, at 21:00, Pedro Gimeno wrote: Branko Collin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I got mine from http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/libart.htm. That version is more recent, though, so I had to rename it. I don't know if that has any averse effects, but at least it allowed me to

[Gimp-developer] Re: GIMP, Win32 MinGW

2003-08-14 Thread Michael Schumacher
On 11 Aug 2003 at 1:57, Tor Lillqvist wrote: Michael Schumacher writes: The result of make after creating the libintl.a libiconv.a files: Creating library file: .libs/libgimpui-1.3.dll.a .libs/gimpui.o(.text+0x159):gimpui.c: undefined reference to `gimp_min_colors'

Re: [Gimp-developer] GimpCon RFC: Portable XCF

2003-08-14 Thread Carol Spears
Leonard Rosenthol wrote: At 9:33 PM -0400 8/13/03, Carol Spears wrote: The last time I got the mng libraries, they came along with liblcms. Are you sure that liblcms does not do all of this? A quick reread of the PNG/MNG format reveals that you can use ICC profiles, but NOT CMYK, Lab or

Re: [Gimp-developer] GimpCon RFC: Portable XCF

2003-08-14 Thread Leonard Rosenthol
At 3:03 AM + 8/14/03, Phil Harper wrote: the last thing Adobe wants to do is support XCF, it's a competing format belonging to a competing(and competatively priced) app. Actually, the fact that it comes from GIMP has NOTHING to do with. The fact that few (if any) of theirs users are asking

Re: [Gimp-developer] Portable XFC

2003-08-14 Thread Stephen J Baker
Sven Neumann wrote: I never understood the reasoning for this discussion anyway. IMHO the format that Nathan suggested seems like something from the dark ages of file formats (where TIFF and the like originated from). I haven't heard a single good argument for it except that it can do most of the

Re: [Gimp-developer] GimpCon RFC: Portable XCF

2003-08-14 Thread Raphaël Quinet
On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 23:42:36 -0700, Manish Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 01:38:01AM -0400, Leonard Rosenthol wrote: At 8:12 PM -0700 8/13/03, Manish Singh wrote: What's the turnaround time for that? Taking weeks or months isn't really acceptable... It's

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: GimpCon RFC: Portable XCF

2003-08-14 Thread Leonard Rosenthol
At 4:41 PM +0200 8/14/03, Øyvind Kolås wrote: The baseline GEGL library will be exactly the baseline functionality needed to be able to something useful with the file,. compositing the layers, layer groups, and effect layers into a single image. And in that process handling the various kinds of

Re: [Gimp-developer] ANNOUNCE: GIMP 1.3.18 released

2003-08-14 Thread Henrik Brix Andersen
On Tue, 2003-08-12 at 20:02, Dave Neary wrote: Being honest, I wanted to do a release wile I had Sven beside me :) And there will still be another release in a couple of weeks when people commit what they were working on/started in camp. Ahh, good - that makes sense. I initially thought our

Re: [Gimp-developer] GimpCon RFC: Portable XCF

2003-08-14 Thread Leonard Rosenthol
At 6:51 PM -0700 8/13/03, Manish Singh wrote: Does TIFF support, for example, float16 data, or a CIE XYZ colorspace? Yes to both... I'm somewhat concerned with going with an externally standardized format, then running into a wall with it at some later point, and not being able to add a feature

Re: [Gimp-developer] GimpCon RFC: Portable XCF

2003-08-14 Thread Stephen J Baker
Carol Spears wrote: However, I read recently about artifacts appearing in compressed pngs, so this might not be the miracle fix I had hoped for. !!! Where did you see that? PNG uses a lossless compression scheme - if there are 'artifacts' in the image that were not there when the image was

Re: [Gimp-developer] Second try

2003-08-14 Thread Daniel Rogers
hmm...Agreeded. I'd suggest 10 days instead of 5 (if I, for an example, am on a heavy workload week, 5 days could not be enough to make my points, if they need soem expermenting on the codebase), But since the decision was taken, so mote it be - it's not gonna hurt. later it was agreed

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP HEAD Win32 binaries

2003-08-14 Thread Pedro Gimeno
Branko Collin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I got mine from http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/libart.htm. That version is more recent, though, so I had to rename it. I don't know if that has any averse effects, but at least it allowed me to run the GIMP. Thank you very much. Now I've got

Re: [Gimp-developer] ANNOUNCE: GIMP 1.3.18 released

2003-08-14 Thread Raphaël Quinet
On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 14:57:00 +0200, Branko Collin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11 Aug 2003, at 2:45, Dave Neary wrote: This is the latest in the development series of the GIMP. This will very soon be a pre-release version for the GIMP 2.0, so all testing efforts are appreciated to help us

Re: [Gimp-developer] GimpCon RFC: Portable XCF

2003-08-14 Thread Stephen J Baker
Leonard Rosenthol wrote: At 8:26 PM -0400 8/13/03, Carol Spears wrote: What about mng? It contains png and has layers and comments. Yes, but still has the limitations of no-CMYK (Lab, ICC, etc.) colorspaces (among other things) out of the box... Has anyone considered going to the PNG

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: GimpCon RFC: Portable XCF

2003-08-14 Thread Leonard Rosenthol
At 8:47 AM -0700 8/12/03, Nathan Carl Summers wrote: This is what I mean by a standard that people can have confidence in -- people should trust that if their program writes good XCF's that a good program will be able to read it. Right! If a program writes GOOD XCF... As long as a program

[Gimp-developer] Re: GimpCon RFC: Portable XCF

2003-08-14 Thread Guillermo S. Romero / Familia Romero
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (2003-08-08 at 1801.54 -0700): Portable XCF would use a chunk system similar to PNG, with two major differences. First, chunk type would be a string instead of a 32-bit value. Second, chunks can contain an arbitrary number of subchunks, which of course can contain subchunks

Re: [Gimp-developer] GimpCon RFC: Portable XCF

2003-08-14 Thread Manish Singh
On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 10:16:13AM -0400, Leonard Rosenthol wrote: At 11:42 PM -0700 8/13/03, Manish Singh wrote: Supports IEEE floats, but not float16 (a 32-bit float cut in half). RH added this to filmgimp since they had established this format in their workflow with other tools already.

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: GimpCon RFC: Portable XCF

2003-08-14 Thread Øyvind Kolås
* Leonard Rosenthol [EMAIL PROTECTED] [030814 16:33]: At 10:06 AM +0200 8/14/03, Øyvind Kolås wrote: Which is why I in an earlier mail suggested developing a GEGL file format that gimp could extend and use a subset of. By doing it this way, gegl would be the aforementioned file loading, and

Re: [Gimp-developer] Portable XFC

2003-08-14 Thread Mukund
On Wed, Aug 13, 2003 at 08:32:00PM -0300, Joao S. O. Bueno wrote: | But on this new thread were proprietary formats batle along with mutant | ideas, here I go: | Why not settle for a Postscript subset? PostScript is a proprietary format controlled by Adobe. Adobe has several patents on various

Re: [Gimp-developer] GimpCon RFC: Portable XCF

2003-08-14 Thread Leonard Rosenthol
At 8:12 PM -0700 8/13/03, Manish Singh wrote: On Wed, Aug 20, 2003 at 10:53:14PM -0400, Leonard Rosenthol wrote: At 6:51 PM -0700 8/13/03, Manish Singh wrote: Does TIFF support, for example, float16 data, or a CIE XYZ colorspace? Yes to both... Hmm, got a reference to that? It wasn't

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: GimpCon RFC: Portable XCF

2003-08-14 Thread Øyvind Kolås
* Adam D. Moss [EMAIL PROTECTED] [030814 09:59]: Stephen J Baker wrote: So, I think what is needed to make a reliable file format is to provide a well written library for reading and writing the files that's freely available and properly maintained on every modern platform FROM DAY ONE. I

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP HEAD Win32 binaries

2003-08-14 Thread Pedro Gimeno
Tor Lillqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: www.gimp.org/win32/gimp-head-20030813.zip. Thank you so much! I couldn't satisfy the dependency on libart_lgpl_2-2.dll though. Any clue on where to find a working libart binary DLL? Pedro Gimeno ___

Re: [Gimp-developer] GimpCon RFC: Portable XCF

2003-08-14 Thread Manish Singh
On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 01:38:01AM -0400, Leonard Rosenthol wrote: At 8:12 PM -0700 8/13/03, Manish Singh wrote: On Wed, Aug 20, 2003 at 10:53:14PM -0400, Leonard Rosenthol wrote: At 6:51 PM -0700 8/13/03, Manish Singh wrote: Does TIFF support, for example, float16 data, or a CIE XYZ

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: GimpCon RFC: Portable XCF

2003-08-14 Thread Øyvind Kolås
* Nathan Carl Summers [EMAIL PROTECTED] [030813 15:39]: dunno why an editor should do progressive load. Load smaller res in case of problem? I would try to avoid that instead of try to fix it, with proper storage and transmission. Load with proxy images? Too rough, IMO, it is not a scaled

Re: [Gimp-developer] Portable XFC

2003-08-14 Thread Leonard Rosenthol
At 1:58 PM -0700 8/14/03, Nathan Carl Summers wrote: XML is a text markup language. If the designers thought of using it for raster graphics, it was an afterthought at best. Completely agreed. Putting image data into the XML would be bad... The XML/archive idea is the software equivalent of

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: PS vs. PDF

2003-08-14 Thread Roger Leigh
Leonard Rosenthol [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: With a bunch of work, you can use GS to print to Windows - but not to every printer (I don't believe GIMP-print, for example, works on Windows). There's nothing fundamental stopping you. I've built it under Cygwin and run the testsuite, and there

Re: [Gimp-developer] GimpCon RFC: Portable XCF

2003-08-14 Thread Phil Harper
From: Leonard Rosenthol [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Nathan Carl Summers [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: The Gimp Developers' list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Gimp-developer] GimpCon RFC: Portable XCF Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 10:40:51 -0400 At 8:45 AM -0700 8/12/03, Nathan Carl Summers wrote: Not necessarily.

[Gimp-developer] Re: GimpCon RFC: Portable XCF

2003-08-14 Thread Guillermo S. Romero / Familia Romero
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (2003-08-14 at 1440.34 -0400): The updates were originally done as technical notes, now they are incorporated into the main TIFF v7 spec which is part of the Photoshop SDK. They seem to be very friendly and open about it: From

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP HEAD Win32 binaries

2003-08-14 Thread Branko Collin
On 13 Aug 2003, at 19:30, Pedro Gimeno wrote: Tor Lillqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: www.gimp.org/win32/gimp-head-20030813.zip. Thank you so much! I couldn't satisfy the dependency on libart_lgpl_2-2.dll though. Any clue on where to find a working libart binary DLL? I got mine from

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: GimpCon RFC: Portable XCF

2003-08-14 Thread Adam D. Moss
Stephen J Baker wrote: So, I think what is needed to make a reliable file format is to provide a well written library for reading and writing the files that's freely available and properly maintained on every modern platform FROM DAY ONE. I agree with this -- I think it's really important.

Re: [Gimp-developer] gimp 1.3.18 - Pink backgrounds on GIF's

2003-08-14 Thread Tom Mraz
Adam D. Moss wrote: Tom Mraz wrote: The guchar - gchar change without correcting the code using the buf isn't probably good idea? I think you're right. That bogus change totally sneaked under my radar... (heads will roll! :D :D :D ) If someone who sees the problem can test this fix:

Re: [Gimp-developer] gimp 1.3.18 - Pink backgrounds on GIF's

2003-08-14 Thread Jeff Trefftzs
On Mon, 2003-08-11 at 07:33, Adam D. Moss wrote: Adam D. Moss wrote: Okay, in that case I think I must have made a mistake in the forward-port of the 1.2.x fix to 1.3.x, because I can't reproduce this in my 1.2.x tree with the equivilent GIF plugin 4.01.00 fix in it. I'll try to spot

[Gimp-developer] GIMP HEAD Win32 binaries

2003-08-14 Thread Tor Lillqvist
www.gimp.org/win32/gimp-head-20030813.zip. Haven't really tested GIMP HEAD much at all myself, but it starts OK and some random painting and filtering did work. Bug reports to bugzilla, please. Plase don't tell end-users yet, until I have had a chance to do some more testing myself, to avoid

Re: [Gimp-developer] gimp 1.3.18 - Pink backgrounds on GIF's

2003-08-14 Thread Adam D. Moss
Tom Mraz wrote: If someone who sees the problem can test this fix: http://icculus.org/~aspirin/gifload.c that'd be good. I've tested it and it fixes the bug. Thanks all, the fix is in. --Adam -- Adam D. Moss . ,,^^ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.foxbox.org/ co:3 I am NOT a nut! I am the

Re: [Gimp-developer] gimp 1.3.18 - Pink backgrounds on GIF's

2003-08-14 Thread Branko Collin
On 11 Aug 2003, at 4:26, Steven P. Ulrick wrote: I've had this problem for the last two development versions of the Gimp: 1.3.17 and 1.3.18 Hopefully, to maximize the clarity of the information that I have to give you, and minimize the size of this e-mail, I will proceed with a series of

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: GimpCon RFC: Portable XCF

2003-08-14 Thread Adam D. Moss
Nick Lamb wrote: On Sun, Aug 10, 2003 at 03:02:41AM +0100, Adam D. Moss wrote: Another data point is that floats are just a bastard to serialise in a portable, precise manner. Personally I'd represent a 32-bit float with a 32-bit integer and 32-bit fixed-point fractional part. Redundant but

Re: [Gimp-developer] gimp 1.3.18 - Pink backgrounds on GIF's

2003-08-14 Thread Steven P. Ulrick
On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 10:58:10 +0100 Adam D. Moss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you provide a copy of the GIF in question? To be clear, this only happens to the GIF when when you SAVE it out from .17 or .18? If so, do you see any warnings on the console when you save from these versions?

Re: [Gimp-developer] ANNOUNCE: GIMP 1.3.18 released

2003-08-14 Thread Henrik Brix Andersen
On Mon, 2003-08-11 at 15:00, Raphaël Quinet wrote: Here is what was discussed, according to the minutes of the Second GIMPCon meeting written by Dave (and double-checked by comparing with my own notes, just in case): 1 or 2 developer releases(one now, more or less, and another one in

GIMP, Win32 MinGW (was: Re: [Gimp-developer] Third big seriousmeeting from GIMPcon)

2003-08-14 Thread Tor Lillqvist
Michael Schumacher writes: The result of make after creating the libintl.a libiconv.a files: Creating library file: .libs/libgimpui-1.3.dll.a .libs/gimpui.o(.text+0x159):gimpui.c: undefined reference to `gimp_min_colors' .libs/gimpui.o(.text+0x170):gimpui.c: undefined reference to

[Gimp-developer] Re: Ideas for Gimp/GEGL file format.

2003-08-14 Thread Alan Horkan
On Fri, 8 Aug 2003, [iso-8859-1] Øyvind Kolås wrote: Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 21:36:05 +0200 From: [iso-8859-1] Øyvind Kolås [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Ideas for Gimp/GEGL file format. Sven could you forward this to the list, my mailing possiblities from the camp is

Re: [Gimp-developer] [FEATURE] Add optional motion constraints tothe Move Tool

2003-08-14 Thread Raphaël Quinet
On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 14:23:03 +0200, David Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jakub Steiner wrote: On Fri, 2003-07-25 at 22:27, David Neary wrote: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=78730 It would be nice if the Ctrl modifier did for the move tool what it did for other tools and

Re: [Gimp-developer] Third big serious meeting from GIMPcon

2003-08-14 Thread Stephen J Baker
Alan Horkan wrote: I feel that way too, unfortunately it is so hard not to react in the same way and get off the downward spiral. I only very grudginly subscribed to the developer list at all. I feel that the active lead developer(s) need to admit this is not a democracy and be the bad guy, be

Re: [Gimp-developer] Third big serious meeting from GIMPcon

2003-08-14 Thread Leonard Rosenthol
At 8:36 PM +0200 8/9/03, Dave Neary wrote: Another reason may be that it is difficult to build the development version because it depends on released versions of some libraries that are not included yet in the major GNU/Linux distributions (e.g., GTK+ version 2.2.2). Also, the number of

[Gimp-developer] The Second GIMPCon meeting

2003-08-14 Thread Dave Neary
Hi again, Sorry I forgot to send the mail from yesterday to the users list - I will correct that in a moment. So here is my notes from the second big meeting we had last night, which covers the upcoming release schedule, things which are considered blockers to 2.0 pre-releases, and how we plan

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