Subject of care

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Model CEN/TC251 13606

and be not a part of the kernel. With regards, Gerard -- private -- Gerard Freriks, arts Huigsloterdijk 378 2158 LR Buitenkaag The Netherlands +31 252 544896 +31 654 792800 - If you have any questions about using this list, please send a message to d.lloyd at openehr.org

Terminology services

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The concept of contribution

and critical information such as serious allergies, medication etc) tony grivell - If you have any questions about using this list, please send a message to d.lloyd at openehr.org -- private -- Gerard Freriks, arts Huigsloterdijk 378 2158 LR Buitenkaag The Netherlands +31 252 544896

The concept of contribution

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Re Ownership

to another system need to convey also the proof (a paper decision for now and a long time to come) of the Authority decision that the record can/shall be deleted. Best regards Gunnar Klein - Original Message - From: David Guest dguest at bigfoot.com To: Gerard Freriks gfrer

Archetype ontology

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Archetype ontology

of the requirements, the EHR is nothing but information written in the sand before a wave of the sea washes it away. What an application does with the information on a screen and in its database is much less relevant from a legal perspective. What is signed is relevant. -- work -- Gerard Freriks TNO-PG

Archetype ontology

a perfect screendump. This is something that can be tested easily. To proof that in a distributed environment all informationsystems worked 100% is much more difficult? Right? Or wrong? Gerard Karsten Hilbert -- private -- Gerard Freriks, arts Huigsloterdijk 378 2158 LR Buitenkaag The Netherlands

Archetype ontology

the more detail has to be stored explicitly. I agree that 'screenshots', 'pictures' can be engineered in several ways. The most likely candidate is XML-document and XML-stylesheet. But perhaps there are others. Gerard Ps: sorry for having an extemist view. -- private -- Gerard Freriks, arts

openEHR Silver Model

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openEHR security

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GEHR philosophical background info

at all over time. Therefore we can not rely on machines to operate on values judgements (rules) from the past. But we need judgements made by responsible persons as a reaction to a request by an other responsible person as much as possible. Gerard -- private -- Gerard Freriks, arts

Encoding concept-relationships in openehr archetypes.

archetypes to represent this, just as a I might use them to represent the min and max of a given quantity. Is the capability all there already? If not, what's missing? -- private -- Gerard Freriks, arts Huigsloterdijk 378 2158 LR Buitenkaag The Netherlands +31 252 544896 +31 654 792800 - If you

certification and verification of OpenEHR

model for the much more granular and often unique process and information models of each local user-enterprise. -- Gerard Freriks, MD Convenor CEN/TC251 WG1 TNO-PG Zernikedreef 9 Leiden The Netherlands +31 71 5181388 +31 654 792800 - If you have any questions about using this list, please

HISTORY DATA SET IN EPR

more easy. Gerard Freriks -- Gerard Freriks, MD Convenor CEN/TC251 WG1 TNO-PG Zernikedreef 9 Leiden The Netherlands +31 71 5181388 +31 654 792800 -- private -- Gerard Freriks, arts Huigsloterdijk 378 2158 LR Buitenkaag The Netherlands +31 252 544896 +31 654 792800 From: Christopher

openEHR security; Directed to Thomas Beale

On 2003-05-02 19:25, Bill Walton bill.walton at jstats.com wrote: Hi Gerard, Gerard Freriks wrote: /snip/ In other words: the OpenEHR can assume that the Access Control function operates as if it is a fire wall that executes a set of rules and that the Audit trail is the log

Record Level Data Security; storage plus fixed and mobile transmission

are: 1)Data security 2)Data management and 3)Access to storage media-resident data, e.g., somebody's disk drive You leave out completely the legal, social control and organisational aspects. Technology isn't a silver bullet. Gerard -- private -- Gerard Freriks, arts Huigsloterdijk 378 2158 LR

Record Level Data Security; storage plus fixed and mobiletransmission

%20of%20Standards5.pdf The perceived need is secure, standard record formats so that information can be accessed even though it was created under a system using a different record format. -Thomas Clark - Original Message - From: Gerard Freriks gfrer at luna.nl To: lakewood

Pathology requirements TIMED MEASUREMENTS

and advice by an expert using the updated measurements in the database. Gerard -- Gerard Freriks, MD Convenor CEN/TC251 WG1 TNO-PG Zernikedreef 9 Leiden The Netherlands +31 71 5181388 +31 654 792800 -- private -- Gerard Freriks, arts Huigsloterdijk 378 2158 LR Buitenkaag The Netherlands +31

Pathology requirements CONTRIBUTION - 2 versions at once

-- Gerard Freriks, arts Huigsloterdijk 378 2158 LR Buitenkaag The Netherlands +31 252 544896 +31 654 792800 From: Thomas Beale thomas at deepthought.com.au Reply-To: Thomas Beale thomas at deepthought.com.au Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 08:16:55 +1000 To: Openehr-Technical openehr-technical

connection between Reference Model and Archetype Model

Hi, Have a look atL http://www.centc251.org/ And find the new draft open for comments on the front page. Gerard -- Gerard Freriks, MD Convenor CEN/TC251 WG1 TNO-PG Zernikedreef 9 Leiden The Netherlands +31 71 5181388 +31 654 792800 From: Sebastijan Mrkus sebastijan.mrkus at ericsson.com

Modelling Episodes in openEHR

Thom, It seems we are in agreement. Gerard -- private -- Gerard Freriks, arts Huigsloterdijk 378 2158 LR Buitenkaag The Netherlands +31 252 544896 +31 654 792800 On 04 Dec 2004, at 12:54, Thomas Beale wrote: Gerard Freriks wrote: Dear all, Am I correct to conclude and propose

Modelling Episodes in openEHR

The disease episode is about the patient and can and will be exchanged. Other episodes defined on the basis of local business rules will not be exchanged. GF -- -- Gerard Freriks, MD Convenor CEN/TC251 WG1 TNO-PG Zernikedreef 9 2333CK Leiden The Netherlands +31 71 5181388 +31 654 792800

Modelling Episodes in openEHR

and can not be specialized? Or are we more subtle; to what degree? Etc, etc. Do we need accepted rules that govern the production and usage of Archetypes? Gerard -- -- Gerard Freriks, MD Convenor CEN/TC251 WG1 TNO-PG Zernikedreef 9 2333CK Leiden The Netherlands +31 71 5181388 +31 654 792800

Modelling Episodes in openEHR

. The list of recorded episodes is very valuable to discern important medical facts from common colds, and bruises. It is the patients medical history where important medical facts are grouped. Do we have a list of use cases for each type of Episode? Gerard -- private -- Gerard Freriks, arts

Modelling Episodes in openEHR

wow, wow! GF -- private -- Gerard Freriks, arts Huigsloterdijk 378 2158 LR Buitenkaag The Netherlands +31 252 544896 +31 654 792800 On 07 Dec 2004, at 06:46, Sam Heard wrote: Bye the way. What types of standardized proto-Archetypes will we need? There are some interesting ones potentially

Modelling Episodes in openEHR

Hi, That seems a good suggestion. Gerard -- -- Gerard Freriks, MD Convenor CEN/TC251 WG1 TNO-PG Zernikedreef 9 2333CK Leiden The Netherlands +31 71 5181388 +31 654 792800 On 11 Dec 2004, at 17:20, Thomas Beale wrote: And our current suggestion (from Dipak Kalra and myself at least

Episodes in openEHR

consisting of links pointing to registered information that is available in the system. The preferred place to store this list is the Folder. And then there are our DBC's (DRG's) One DBC is almost the same as an Episode. Gerard -- work -- Gerard Freriks TNO-PG Zernikedreef 9 2333CK Leiden

Archetype vs. ontology

Hi, An other property of the Archetype is that it is derived from a a model that models the structure via which information is stored/represented/ retrieved in a system. GF -- private -- Gerard Freriks, arts Huigsloterdijk 378 2158 LR Buitenkaag The Netherlands +31 252 544896 +31 654

A patent application covering EHRs

to browse further. But on the website of NIST more is to be found about Role based Access published before 1999. And persons like Bernd Blobel and Ross Anderson wrote about security in health care gf -- private -- Gerard Freriks, arts Huigsloterdijk 378 2158 LR Buitenkaag The Netherlands +31

Archetype vs. ontology

-- -- Gerard Freriks, MD Convenor CEN/TC251 WG1 TNO-PG Zernikedreef 9 2333CK Leiden The Netherlands +31 71 5181388 +31 654 792800 On 24 Nov 2004, at 17:29, Carl Mattocks wrote: HI GF : Do you agree that this can also be true for an Ontology . carl quote who=Gerard Freriks Hi, An other

Archetype constraints and interfacing instruments/DSS to an OpenEHR system.

Hi, We, at CEN are devoted to CEN/IEEE/ISO developments and not 'old rusty' standards. Gerard -- -- Gerard Freriks, MD Convenor CEN/TC251 WG1 TNO-PG Zernikedreef 9 2333CK Leiden The Netherlands +31 71 5181388 +31 654 792800 On 29 Nov 2004, at 20:56, Damon Berry wrote: Sam, Thanks

Archetype constraints and interfacing instruments/DSS to an OpenEHR system.

Karsten, The advantage is that there will be no 3 or 4 competing standards, but just one. It seems enough. Gerard -- -- Gerard Freriks, MD Convenor CEN/TC251 WG1 TNO-PG Zernikedreef 9 2333CK Leiden The Netherlands +31 71 5181388 +31 654 792800 On 29 Nov 2004, at 23:44, Karsten Hilbert

Dr R LONJON Confidence indicator !

that the patient is suffering from this condition but using treatment as a test procedure. Doing nothing is such a test procedure. Eric Wulff (from Danmark) published philisophical texts about health care and these topics. gerard -- private -- Gerard Freriks, arts Huigsloterdijk 378 2158 LR

EntityNameParts

We must get used to the notion that patients not always have to provide their real names. And that in order to provide healthcare we need to know the real (administrative) identity. Gerard -- private -- Gerard Freriks, arts Huigsloterdijk 378 2158 LR Buitenkaag The Netherlands +31 252 544896

OIDs / II

-- private -- Gerard Freriks, arts Huigsloterdijk 378 2158 LR Buitenkaag The Netherlands +31 252 544896 +31 654 792800 On 20 Apr 2005, at 12:43, Bert Verhees wrote: Dear Grahame, For example the CEN GPIC subjectofcare which has a property id The type is a Set of II The use is excplained

EntityNameParts

-- private -- Gerard Freriks, arts Huigsloterdijk 378 2158 LR Buitenkaag The Netherlands +31 252 544896 +31 654 792800 On 26 Apr 2005, at 09:56, Bert Verhees wrote: Op dinsdag 26 april 2005 07:37, schreef Gerard Freriks: We must get used to the notion that patients not always have to provide

EntityNameParts

In order to get proper treatment the identity can stay obscure. Identification is not a necessary condition for any treatment. Information is sometimes. Gerard -- private -- Gerard Freriks, arts Huigsloterdijk 378 2158 LR Buitenkaag The Netherlands +31 252 544896 +31 654 792800 On 27 Apr

Age and named quantities

Sam, You mean the 'age of a person' and not 'age'. Gerard -- private -- Gerard Freriks, arts Huigsloterdijk 378 2158 LR Buitenkaag The Netherlands +31 252 544896 +31 654 792800 On 31 Jan 2005, at 23:30, Sam Heard wrote: Age is time after birth - we are not going to change that. We have

Age

Dear Philippe, Thank you for your reaction. I'm interested in your model for cyclic events. Gerard -- private -- Gerard Freriks, arts Huigsloterdijk 378 2158 LR Buitenkaag The Netherlands +31 252 544896 +31 654 792800 On 27 Jan 2005, at 20:15, Philippe AMELINE wrote: Hi, In Odyssee, we

Age

to 'age' there will be more notions that warrant the same discussions we have had. Gerard -- private -- Gerard Freriks, arts Huigsloterdijk 378 2158 LR Buitenkaag The Netherlands +31 252 544896 +31 654 792800 On 29 Jan 2005, at 02:07, Thomas Beale wrote: This all suggest strongly to me

Age

Dear all, It is fine for me when we can agree that we mean by 'Age' time after birth. How will we name and define concepts like: youth, post conception, post gestation, middel aged, elderly? Gerard -- private -- Gerard Freriks, arts Huigsloterdijk 378 2158 LR Buitenkaag The Netherlands +31

Demographics service

Life is simple. Once we physicians know what to ask and why. Gerard -- private -- Gerard Freriks, arts Huigsloterdijk 378 2158 LR Buitenkaag The Netherlands +31 252 544896 +31 654 792800 On 05 Mar 2005, at 13:22, Bigpond wrote: And that's the problem that will keep the technical people

Demographics service

persons are recorded in systems using a set of more or less unique features and since these unique features vary in time, one person will have many digital identities. This calls for a mechanism that unites all these variations on one theme. Eg the demographic server. Gerard -- work -- Gerard

Demographics service

Hi, What is the definition, scope, function of the concept: demographic server in the context of OPENEHR? Thomas, Sam, Dipak: HELP! Gerard -- private -- Gerard Freriks, arts Huigsloterdijk 378 2158 LR Buitenkaag The Netherlands +31 252 544896 +31 654 792800 On 06 Mar 2005, at 19:50

Authenticity Issues [was: Re: Demographics service]

/library/proceedings/ec98/ full_papers/anderson/anderson.pdf Gerard -- work -- Gerard Freriks TNO Kwaliteit van Leven Wassenaarseweg 56 Leiden Postbus 2215 2301CE Leiden The Netherlands +31 71 5181388 +31 654 792800 On 07 Mar 2005, at 02:02, Sebastian Garde wrote: Hi, There is another issue

archetypes and class constraints

. Gerard -- private -- Gerard Freriks, arts Huigsloterdijk 378 2158 LR Buitenkaag The Netherlands +31 252 544896 +31 654 792800 On 08 Mar 2005, at 01:58, Carl Mattocks wrote: I vote for the pragmatic approach when we don't control the reference model -- next part

EntityNameParts

an information domain model of one sector in Dutch Healthcare: pediatrics. All the GPICS we needed we available. One GPIC had to be changed in order to become usable in the Netherlands: the demographic one! Gerard -- private -- Gerard Freriks, arts Huigsloterdijk 378 2158 LR Buitenkaag

EntityNameParts

Dear colleagues, The CEN standards as told before, are consensus products at an abstract level. This implicates that they need an Implementation specification in order to be usable. You and others must produce those. OpenEHR is such a forum. Gerard -- private -- Gerard Freriks, arts

EntityNameParts

Extending qualifiers is allowed. Gerard -- private -- Gerard Freriks, arts Huigsloterdijk 378 2158 LR Buitenkaag The Netherlands +31 252 544896 +31 654 792800 On 11 Mar 2005, at 13:42, Bert Verhees wrote: Op vrijdag 11 maart 2005 12:36, schreef Karsten Hilbert: I forgot to mention one

ADL to XML Schema

Hi, I'm only the convenor of the CEN/TC251 wg1. For more detailed information you need to read the e-mails by Dipak Kalra, Thomas Beale and Sam Heard. In the text below soem comments. -- -- Gerard Freriks, MD Convenor CEN/TC251 WG1 TNO Quality of Life Wassenaarseweg 56 Leiden PostBox 2215

SubjectOfInvestigation

these lists? Gerard ] -- -- Gerard Freriks, MD Convenor CEN/TC251 WG1 TNO Quality of Life Wassenaarseweg 56 Leiden PostBox 2215 22301CE Leiden The Netherlands +31 71 5181388 +31 654 792800 On 23 May 2005, at 18:21, Tom Marley wrote: Bert, ? Although very busy I am looking into this area

The Uncertainty Decision was: Dr R LONJON Confidence indicator !

On May 7, 2005, at 3:12 PM, Thomas Beale wrote: ...so it seems to me that the indicator of what to do next when a differential diagnosis is recorded relates strongly to the innate characteristics of the conditions recorded, not just the doctor's opinion of how likely it might be. If

openEHR-EHR-COMPOSITION.Report.v1draft

a more generic Any- Report Organiser Archetype. Gerard -- private -- Gerard Freriks, arts Huigsloterdijk 378 2158 LR Buitenkaag The Netherlands +31 252 544896 +31 654 792800 On May 26, 2005, at 2:48 AM, Andrew Goodchild wrote: Hi, I was looking at the composition archetype for ?report

The semantics of archetype Specialization

Or only against the meta-Archetype model Gerard -- private -- Gerard Freriks, arts Huigsloterdijk 378 2158 LR Buitenkaag The Netherlands +31 252 544896 +31 654 792800 On May 26, 2005, at 2:37 AM, Andrew Goodchild wrote: Hi, Does anyone know what it actually means to specialize

uncertainty in medical problem solving and decision making (Was: Dr R LONJON Confidence indicator !

On Apr 27, 2005, at 8:19 AM, Arild Faxvaag wrote: We could say that physicians _infer_ diagnostic hypotheses based on - knowledge of the tentative underlying disease, - the patients subjective experiences - phenomena registered in the patients body In any case it is a subjective statement

Templates - should we record which are used?

information I consider this a contract as well. The Template either has an ID or is identified by the tree of constituting archetypes. Gerard Freriks -- -- Gerard Freriks, MD Convenor CEN/TC251 WG1 TNO Quality of Life Wassenaarseweg 56 Leiden PostBox 2215 22301CE Leiden The Netherlands T: +31 71

removal of data

, in the paper world in the Netherlands, we only know the logical delete. What has happened, has happened, we can not falsify history, is the bottom line. Gerard -- private -- Gerard Freriks, arts Huigsloterdijk 378 2158 LR Buitenkaag The Netherlands T: +31 252 544896 M: +31 654 792800 On 21

Pathology numeric values not supported in DV_Quantity

the Archetype. Greetings Gerard -- private -- Gerard Freriks, arts Huigsloterdijk 378 2158 LR Buitenkaag The Netherlands T: +31 252 544896 M: +31 654 792800 On 21-apr-2006, at 17:12, Thomas Beale wrote: this seems pretty close to a correct model. Slight corrections I would suggest are: - I am

removal of data

system, implicating logical delete plus specific business rules, is the optimal solution. Gerard -- private -- Gerard Freriks, arts Huigsloterdijk 378 2158 LR Buitenkaag The Netherlands T: +31 252 544896 M: +31 654 792800 On 22-apr-2006, at 10:20, Bert Verhees wrote: Gerard Freriks

Pathology numeric values not supported in DV_Quantity

Point number, plus truncation) Archetype, (e.g. Measurement and its interpretation: ~, , , , , good, bad, not to be trusted, etc, etc) -- private -- Gerard Freriks, arts Huigsloterdijk 378 2158 LR Buitenkaag The Netherlands T: +31 252 544896 M: +31 654 792800 On 22-apr-2006, at 10:13

removal of data

-- Gerard Freriks, arts Huigsloterdijk 378 2158 LR Buitenkaag The Netherlands T: +31 252 544896 M: +31 654 792800 On 24-apr-2006, at 9:23, Bert Verhees wrote: It would be possibe to gather all records (this always confuses me: an EHR is something as one single composition?) belonging

Pathology numeric values not supported in DV_Quantity

-- private -- Gerard Freriks, arts Huigsloterdijk 378 2158 LR Buitenkaag The Netherlands T: +31 252 544896 M: +31 654 792800 On 26-apr-2006, at 15:24, Karsten Hilbert wrote: Much to my dismay a quick grep over a couple hundred results idling in files on my machine doesn't yield a = or = offhand

Normal and other ranges

trends provide more useful information than single absolute figures Gerard -- private -- Gerard Freriks, arts Huigsloterdijk 378 2158 LR Buitenkaag The Netherlands T: +31 252 544896 M: +31 653 108732 -- work -- Gerard Freriks, arts TNO ICT Brassersplein 2 Delft, the Netherlands T: +31 15

Term binding in Archetype Editor: Definitions, Rules, Quality Control

are members of the Q-Rec consortium and EuroRec, - persons active in EuroRec and OpenEHR take part in worldwide developments on Archetypes/templates, Semantic Interoperability, discussions on the deployment of coding systems. Greetings, Gerard -- private -- Gerard Freriks, MD Huigsloterdijk

ontology, information models, archetypes - a perspective

Thomas, Thanks. What you are saying is: - we have the real and other worlds with objects and our present understanding of it, - and we have the world where we document what has happened or will happen. Gerard -- private -- Gerard Freriks, arts Huigsloterdijk 378 2158 LR Buitenkaag

[GPCG_TALK] Archetype Maintenance

What XML DTD's or XML-schema's are for characters/text are Archetypes for Information. Therefore both Information and the Archetype much be stored locally. Gerard -- -- Gerard Freriks, MD Convenor CEN/TC251 WG1 TNO Quality of Life Wassenaarseweg 56 Leiden PostBox 2215 22301CE Leiden

[GPCG_TALK] Archetype Maintenance

concept models are not owned in a commercial sense. Gerard -- private -- Gerard Freriks, arts Huigsloterdijk 378 2158 LR Buitenkaag The Netherlands T: +31 252 544896 M: +31 654 792800 On 8-jan-2006, at 10:17, Tim Churches wrote: If the argument above - that there is a need to permanent cache

[GPCG_TALK] Archetype Maintenance

If enough Archetypes are produced by scientific communities and associations and published IP free, then what is the problem? Gerard -- private -- Gerard Freriks, arts Huigsloterdijk 378 2158 LR Buitenkaag The Netherlands T: +31 252 544896 M: +31 654 792800 On 8-jan-2006, at 21:49, Tim

difficulties starting an implementation

Bert, ITS = Implementable Technology Specification. It is an HL7 specific term. It is the process that translates an hierargical message specification of a domain information model into: Edifact, HL7v2, XML (HL7v3), or Java formats. Gerard -- private -- Gerard Freriks, arts

what is the use of the reference model?

is 'validated' (better: defined) using the Archetype (the constraints) And the archetypes are validated (defined) using the archetype meta- model. Gerard -- private -- Gerard Freriks, arts Huigsloterdijk 378 2158 LR Buitenkaag The Netherlands T: +31 252 544896 M: +31 653 108732 On 3-jul

Pathology numeric values not supported in DV_Quantity

in between but not an exact figure like x=5.1 units of a kind. Gerard -- private -- Gerard Freriks, arts Huigsloterdijk 378 2158 LR Buitenkaag The Netherlands T: +31 252 544896 M: +31 654 792800 On 1-mrt-2006, at 14:10, Thomas Beale wrote: Gerard's point about 5 etc being an exception

Pathology numeric values not supported in DV_Quantity

the uncertainty as limits and a distribution type term (with a default gaussian distribution?) Gerard Freriks -- private -- Gerard Freriks, arts Huigsloterdijk 378 2158 LR Buitenkaag The Netherlands T: +31 252 544896 M: +31 654 792800 On 17-mrt-2006, at 12:42, Thomas Beale wrote: The real

Pathology numeric values not supported in DV_Quantity

, the knowlegde level. And not the numeric interpretation level. Gerard -- CEN/tc251 Convenor -- Gerard Freriks, MD convenor CEN/tc251 WG1 TNO ICT Brassersplein 2 Delft T: +31 15 2857105 M: +31 6 54792800 On 21-mrt-2006, at 17:34, Thomas Beale wrote: Sam Heard wrote: It is a flag that says

Pathology numeric values not supported in DV_Quantity

it was unmeasurable) Gerard -- private -- Gerard Freriks, arts Huigsloterdijk 378 2158 LR Buitenkaag The Netherlands T: +31 252 544896 M: +31 654 792800 On 1-mrt-2006, at 2:41, Sam Heard wrote: Hi everyone, We want to report an issue that has arisen in data processing in Australia

Antw: Re: [GPCG_TALK] Archetype Maintenance

as code in software. Information must never be exchanged in proprietary ways. Without this, generic semantic interoperability between computer systems never will be possible. Gerard -- private -- Gerard Freriks, arts Huigsloterdijk 378 2158 LR Buitenkaag The Netherlands T: +31 252 544896 M

Antw: Re: [GPCG_TALK] Archetype Maintenance

proposed pricing scheme SNOMED will ask more money from rich countries (millions) and very small amounts (ten-hundred Euro;'s) from poor countries. The are very sensible and indexed to the Gross National Product. Gerard -- private -- Gerard Freriks, arts Huigsloterdijk 378 2158 LR Buitenkaag

removal of data

. 4.3.1 Definition The basic?generic definition for the EHR is a repository of information regarding the health status of a subject of care, in computer processable form. So what can be the problem? Gerard -- private -- Gerard Freriks, arts Huigsloterdijk 378 2158 LR Buitenkaag The Netherlands

removal of data

The EHR contains what needs to be documented, to be said, in view of the fact that it is the life long record about one patient, isn't it? GF -- private -- Gerard Freriks, arts Huigsloterdijk 378 2158 LR Buitenkaag The Netherlands T: +31 252 544896 M: +31 653 108732 On 4-mei-2006, at 17:42

Archetype conceptual and technical operational are 2 different things

become the same thing. Not only expressing the same thing but being the same thing at the level of the computer. Gerard -- private -- Gerard Freriks, arts Huigsloterdijk 378 2158 LR Buitenkaag The Netherlands T: +31 252 544896 M: +31 653 108732 On 5-mei-2006, at 8:05, Williamtfgoossen

[Fwd: Modelling Medication Administration Control]

. The Observation is about a specific place, using specific methods, by specific person, at a specific time, etc. The Plan and Instruction can be more vague about the: where, when, what, with what, how, by whom, etc. Gerard -- private -- Gerard Freriks, arts Huigsloterdijk 378 2158 LR Buitenkaag

Lifestyle: substance_use archetype

of a regular drug, herbal tea, food additive, smog, self medicated, prescribed, or taken by an involuntary action one always want to record the same things. Isn't it? So why not a generic Archetypes: Observation: Substance Use Gerard -- private -- Gerard Freriks, arts Huigsloterdijk 378 2158

CEN 13606

are identical. Gerard Freriks -- private -- Gerard Freriks, arts Huigsloterdijk 378 2158 LR Buitenkaag The Netherlands T: +31 252 544896 M: +31 653 108732 On 3-nov-2006, at 10:27, Andrew Patterson wrote: Apologies that this is perhaps not the right forum, but I sense there is a fair crossover

CEN 13606

see below. Gerard -- private -- Gerard Freriks, arts Huigsloterdijk 378 2158 LR Buitenkaag The Netherlands T: +31 252 544896 M: +31 653 108732 On 3-nov-2006, at 14:02, Andrew Patterson wrote: So 13606 EHRcom is very much a go-between format - something that can be used to transfer

HL7 templates/archetypes

. Is there any real choice? Gerard -- private -- Gerard Freriks, arts Huigsloterdijk 378 2158 LR Buitenkaag The Netherlands T: +31 252 544896 M: +31 653 108732 On 15-okt-2006, at 19:13, Dana Prochazkova wrote: Hi, I'm writing my diploma thesis at the Vienna Medical University and I have

AW: HL7 templates/archetypes

interoperability possible. Only EN13606 will enable that conformant systems can be searched using the same query and expose any information stored in that system in an uniform interpretable way enabling better easier clinical decision support. Greetings, Gerard -- private -- Gerard Freriks, arts

CEN and HL7 methods and archetypes

Dear William, You write: I believe it is very hard to accept the dogmatic approach of Gerard Freriks once again :-( My simple dictionary reads: dogma |?d?gm?| |?d?gm?| |?d?gm?| noun a principle or set of principles laid down by an authority as incontrovertibly true : the Christian dogma

Antw: Re: AW: HL7 templates/archetypes

NOT in its infancy, as you know. Gerard -- private -- Gerard Freriks, arts Huigsloterdijk 378 2158 LR Buitenkaag The Netherlands T: +31 252 544896 M: +31 653 108732 On 16-okt-2006, at 8:40, Williamtfgoossen at cs.com wrote: Only CEN/tc251 EN13606 makes plug-and-play semantic

[Norton AntiSpam] Re: OpenEHR and Prodigy DSS

developer and submitter. Lets generate a set of research questions that we can write into the project proposal. Gerard -- private -- Gerard Freriks, arts EuroRec Huigsloterdijk 378 2158 LR Buitenkaag The Netherlands T: +31 252 544896 M: +31 653 108732 On 23-okt-2006, at 0:02, Sam Heard

blood film observation archetype

to be provided by the Observer (e.g. the lab or the physician). Or in the case of Clinical decision Support the module that handles this type of clinical knowledge. Gerard -- private -- Gerard Freriks, arts Huigsloterdijk 378 2158 LR Buitenkaag The Netherlands T: +31 252 544896 M: +31 653

Antw: Re: EHRcom/openEHR the new exciting paradigm

. This line of reasoning of yours makes me feel uneasy because this way of argumentation is one seen in religious fanatics that don't want any real discussion. With regards, Gerard Freriks -- private -- Gerard Freriks, arts Huigsloterdijk 378 2158 LR Buitenkaag The Netherlands T: +31 252

Antw: Sources of information on HL7 EHR/OpenEHR

different scopes and requirements is impossible. Gerard -- private -- Gerard Freriks, arts Huigsloterdijk 378 2158 LR Buitenkaag The Netherlands T: +31 252 544896 M: +31 653 108732 On 19-sep-2006, at 4:30, Grahame Grieve wrote: This will be hard, and painful. And it must involve compromise, so

Normal and other ranges

a human reader, and NOT for computer semantic processing, are: a Flag that a value is out of range, and a comment/advice/interpretation provided by the lab. Value is not always a series of digits. It can be an ordinal. It can be text. Gerard -- private -- Gerard Freriks, arts Huigsloterdijk

Specialisation do we need archetype specialisations

control of the knowledge domain. In the meantime the tools must be able to support specialization. Gerard -- private -- Gerard Freriks, MD Huigsloterdijk 378 2158 LR Buitenkaag The Netherlands T: +31 252544896 M: +31 620347088 E: gfrer at luna.nl Those who would give up essential Liberty

Archetype production: Types of Archetypes

-use will take place at the Template Level by using Entry Archetypes. Reflecting interoperability needs Re-use will take place within the Entry Archetype by means of generic Proto-Archetypes. Reflecting interoperability needs. Gerard -- private -- Gerard Freriks, MD Huigsloterdijk 378 2158 LR

Archetype lists and possible archetypes

Sam, About restricting slots. It must not be an on/off type of restriction. Is it possible to have 'types of archetypes'? And then. What 'types' are needed? Isn't there a need for an 'Archetype ontology' that helps provide 'types of archetypes'? Gerard -- private -- Gerard Freriks, MD

CEN meeting and data types

Sam, It would be helpful to provide (more) arguments for your opinion. Gerard -- private -- Gerard Freriks, MD Huigsloterdijk 378 2158 LR Buitenkaag The Netherlands T: +31 252544896 M: +31 620347088 E: gfrer at luna.nl Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little

CEN meeting and data types

, my remaining questions are: What harm is done? How can CEN/tc251 EN13606 be aligned, some years from now, with the forthcoming ISO data type standard? Can it be aligned? Or can't it? Gerard -- private -- Gerard Freriks, MD Huigsloterdijk 378 2158 LR Buitenkaag The Netherlands T: +31

Fwd: discussion item: carrying repeating information from query responses in the control act wrapper

in what specific format? Gerard -- private -- Gerard Freriks, MD Huigsloterdijk 378 2158 LR Buitenkaag The Netherlands T: +31 252544896 M: +31 620347088 E: gfrer at luna.nl Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor

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