Re: [Radiant] radiant edge on dreamhost
Si Forster said the following on 04/27/2010 11:06 AM: Okay so a bit further along now. Currently I need to specifiy RAILS_ENV=production in the command line after and db based changes such as rake radiant:extensions:xxx:update or db:migrate. Any idea why this might be the case? You're using Passenger, right? Passenger seems ignore the ENV and RAILS_ENV and always run as production. I believe this is documented and I recall it being mentioned here when I encountered that last year :-) Of course access though Passenger is only for web-based access. For command line you have to specify it explicitly, as you point out. I've got ENV['RAILS_ENV'] = 'production' specificed in my environments file but this doesn't seem to make a difference. I observed this too and I don't know why it is. Maybe its in the libraries they use ... Try compiling your own version of RAKE. Hopefully my findings will help others using dreamhost. BTDT. -- The maxim that people should not have a right till they are ready to exercise it properly, is worthy of the fool in the old story who resolved not to go into the water till he had learned to swim. --Macaulay ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ List Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant Radiant: http://radiantcms.org Extensions: http://ext.radiantcms.org
Re: [Radiant] Radiant Mailer Extension with TLS and gmail
Gabe Koss said the following on 04/15/2010 09:50 AM: hmm, still having no success. Its very confusing because I had it working both from heroku and localhost without tls (ie without gmail) but I need gmail for the client. Anyway in my logs it doesn't say mail sent at all and its clearly not interfacing with gmail on any level. It also isn't correctly redirecting. As I posted some weeks ago, the 'traditional' set up is too awkward, difficult to follow and as you are showing, very fragile. If the host supporting your web site has mail capability at all, try this instead of the awkward set-up you have been using and playing with. It avoids all that TLS stuff. In config/environment.rb put: ActionMailer::Base.delivery_method = :sendmail Since you are inside the host, sendmail shouln't have to worry about more than half of the set-up. Yes, you'll still need your domain, you might still need password, but you're making the local mail sub-system do the work that you ere previously having to be very specific about. I battled with the mailer extension for a week and was very frustrated, but the moment I put that line in and restarted everything worked great! -- inoculatte (v): To take coffee intravenously when you are running late. ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ List Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant Radiant: http://radiantcms.org Extensions: http://ext.radiantcms.org
Re: [Radiant] Radiant Mailer Extension with TLS and gmail
Gabe Koss said the following on 04/15/2010 10:28 AM: Thanks for the help I tried this addition without any success. I am using heroku to host. Now when I view the contact page on localhost it looks fine but still doesn't work and if I push to heroku and load the same page it says *undefined tag `mailer' I'm sure many of us faced the 'gap' between things working lcoally (mine was my laptop) and out hosting site. The ':sendmail' change is what made it work for me at the hosting site :-) However if you are getting that error then you either have a typo somewhere or the extension (or a gem) isn't loaded (or loading properly). This moves the problem to one of 'pouring though the logs'. -- The same applies for other kinds of long-lasting low-level pain. [...] The body's response to being jabbed, pierced, and cut is to produce endorphins. [...] So here's my programme for breaking that cycle of dependency on Windows: get left arm tattooed with dragon motif, buy a crate of Jamaican Hot! Pepper Sauce, get nipples pierced. With any luck that will produce enough endorphins to make Windows completely redundant, and I can then upgrade to Linux and get on with things. -- Pieter Hintjens ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ List Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant Radiant: http://radiantcms.org Extensions: http://ext.radiantcms.org
Re: [Radiant] Radiant Mailer Extension with TLS and gmail
Gabe Koss said the following on 04/15/2010 11:07 AM:
Thanks for all the help and patience!
I am almost there. Now it seems to be sending the emails except they
aren't going anywhere. I am succesfully connnecting to the gmail smtp
but get a message stating: 504 5.7.4 Unrecognized Authentication Type.
That, VERY SPECIFICALLY is why I use the :sendmail option !
I floundered with the authorization problem for nearly a week, inclduing
setting up new mail accounts at my hosting service!
My auth type is set to :plain in environmen.rb. At the end of the
action it claims to have sent my mail but I am still not receiving the
sent mail nor am I being redirected...
The text of my mailer part reads:
subject: Sent from your mailer form
from_field: email
redirect_to: /about/contact/thanks
recipients:
- gabe.k...@gmail.com
- t...@gabekoss.com
That's nice but its not your problem.
Your problem is injecting your message into the host mail system.
That you are getting a 504 means you are using :smtp
So, why is :sendmail a problem for you?
Are you really addressing your local machine with this?
If the applciaiton and config/environment.rb are on MACHINE-A and the
reference you have in the mailer setup in
ActionMailer::Base.smtp_settings is MACHINE-B then this could cause
the problem.
You might *THINK* you are addressing the same machine but does the
machines resolver think so?
That is why using :sendmail is so much easier.
Check that sendmail is at /usr/sbin/sendmail and try sending by cat'ing
a file with appropriate headers though it.
ActionMailer::Base.delivery_method = :sendmail
ActionMailer::Base.perform_deliveries = true
If its not at /usr/sbin/sendmail you need to override the base settings,
which are
ActionMailer::Base.sendmail_settings = {
:location = '/usr/sbin/sendmail',
:arguments = '-i -t'
}
Try the command
which sendmail
to find it.
It may also be somewhere like /usr/lib/sendmail:-)
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Re: [Radiant] Radiant Mailer Extension with TLS and gmail
Gabe Koss said the following on 04/15/2010 11:58 AM: Perhaps it is because I am using Ubuntu and not a mac? I don't have sendmail in /usr/sbin/ or /usr/lib/ and I don't think that it would work from heroku... Are you talking about your own machine or the machine where this application is hosted? The default mailer for many Linux packages is Postfix, but it has /usr/sbin/sendmail as a link. If you are talking about your own machine running Ubuntu then install the postfix package and/or check the man page. If you are talking about the hosting machine then why not ask them? Its possible they didn't set yup that link or set it up elsewhere. The issue isn't heroku: the issue is can ruby address services on the host machine. Or more specifically, can the code in ActionMailer address services on the host machine. OBTW: what did your logs say when you tried using :sendmail? There is a simple test you can try. From the command line enter echo Hello | mail -s Test gabe.k...@gmail.com If that doens't work then all we're talking about is beside the point. -- I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody -- Bill Cosby ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ List Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant Radiant: http://radiantcms.org Extensions: http://ext.radiantcms.org
Re: [Radiant] Radiant Mailer Extesion Error
banane said the following on 03/28/2010 10:45 PM:
Anton
When you say it's sending successfully, how do you know that?
I didn't say that, did I?
If it was sending successfully I'd be getting the resulting mail and I
don't.
What it is doing is taking time processing and the production log has an
entry (sanitized)
Processing MailController#create (for 099.27.68.19 at 2010-03-28
16:31:39) [POST]
Parameters: {page_id=112, action=create,
mailer={message=x\r\n1\r\n2\r\n3\r\n4\r\n5,
company=SSS, name=aaa, website=xyzzy=2,
required={name=true, message=true, email=true},
email=anton.aylw...@rogers.com}, controller=mail}
Sent mail to anton.aylw...@rogers.com
Completed in 1407ms (View: 1, DB: 118) | 200 OK
[http://www.X.com/pages/112/mail]
In the post I wrote re: my process of setting up Mailer,
(databasemailer, btw) I have this bit from my log:
- AUTH PLAIN AGJhbmFuZQBraXdpa2l3aQ==\r\n
- “235 2.7.0 Accepted\r\n”
- MAIL FROM:\r\n”
- “250 2.1.0 OK 7sm1568664yxg.68\r\n”
- RCPT TO:\r\n”
- “250 2.1.5 OK 7sm1568664yxg.68\r\n”
- DATA\r\n
- “354 Go ahead 7sm1568664yxg.68\r\n”
writing message from String
wrote 599 bytes
That is the official it has sent success.
Where did that get logged?
At Dreamhost I don't have (or don't see how) I can 'tap'
such exchanges.
Another issue- you say it's refreshing the form and not going to the
contact/thanks page. So that's not processing correctly. Can you
manually type in the thanks page and view it?
Yes.
As I said, I set this up local on the image I have on my laptop of the
public site at Dreamhost BEFORE export/import of the pages to the site
at Dreamhost. So the only difference is in the way the mailer is set up
in environment.rb --- oh, and any differences in the revision of the
gems at Dreamhost. They are not good at keeping those up to date :-(
That has bitten me before.
From what you've said so far- looks like the environment.rb is still
misconfigured.
Yea, right.
I've googled for the perl script to encode the id/password I'm using in
environment.rb and then manually 'telnet mail 25'
and given the resulting string as a auth plain and got a postive ACK
back, so I know the id/password is right.
Check the logs/environment.rb for:
- actionmailer framework is installed
What do you mean by that?
Do you mean the gem is in the library?
(dreamhost) $ gem list | grep actionmailer
actionmailer (2.3.5, 2.2.2, 2.1.1, 2.1.0)
- form is being processed- what does the log say re: that process
- smpt port, etc. is correct
I've given the ONLY log entry that seems to be involved above.
- auth info works. Check w/ dreamhost re: the auth info. telnet access
is diff. than mail auth access.
Eh? Why do you say that?
If you ahve another client (apple
mail, etc.) setup that sends successfully with a configuration,
Yes I have a TWiki application that does it.
That's written in perl and has a config file that sends via 'sendmail'.
So its not the same mechanism.
I would have thought that using sendmail would have made more
sense for a mailer interface than trying to inject into port 25.
or if
dreamhost has a help page that tells you how to set it up, use that.
I do wonder.
The smtpd responds to the EHLO with AUTH PLAIN
So does using
:authentication = :login
or
:authentication = :plain
matter?
On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 3:40 PM, Anton Aylward anton.aylw...@rogers.com
wrote:
I'm following up to this old mail because I have the same problem and
that old thread doesn't have a resolution that seems to apply to me.
I set up the mailer extension on my laptop using my LAN's mail hub and
it worked fine. Good, so I went ahead and installed it and then copied
the page (body, email, mailer) to my public site on Dreamhost, created
the contact/thanks page there and adjusted the entries in
config/environment.rb to suit ..
and it doesn't work.
Like this report, after clicking it reloads at /pages/112/mail#form
And no, it takes it time, so there is some processing going on.
The log shows no error; it says that the mail as sent to the address(es)
as expected.
Only there is no evidence it was; it doesn't get through.
There's nothing in the logs.
I've ssh'd to Dreamhost, to the working directory, and from there
telnet' to to mailserver I have in the configuration, for port 25, an
yes that's where it is, and being local its not asking for a login.
I am NOT using gmail.
I have experimented with the authentication, just in case, and no, that
makes no difference.
I've checked the Radiant logs and the site web logs and there's no
indication of what's going on
HELP!
Mauricio Dulce said the following on 12/04/2009 09:45 AM:
Hello, i have work whit radiant and Mailer extension but this not send
emails and redirect to page of thank-you, After giving click in email,
this reloads the same page pages/3/mail#mailer and I have this in the
log shows
Re: [Radiant] Radiant Mailer Extesion Error
Anton Aylward said the following on 03/29/2010 08:28 AM: If you ahve another client (apple mail, etc.) setup that sends successfully with a configuration, Yes I have a TWiki application that does it. That's written in perl and has a config file that sends via 'sendmail'. So its not the same mechanism. I would have thought that using sendmail would have made more sense for a mailer interface than trying to inject into port 25. Such as ActionMailer::Base.delivery_method = :sendmail Perhaps? I'll try that:-) ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ List Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant Radiant: http://radiantcms.org Extensions: http://ext.radiantcms.org
Re: [Radiant] Radiant Mailer Extesion Error
Anton Aylward said the following on 03/29/2010 09:00 AM: I would have thought that using sendmail would have made more sense for a mailer interface than trying to inject into port 25. Such as ActionMailer::Base.delivery_method = :sendmail Perhaps? I'll try that:-) Well it works, works first time, with no problems, and since all that it does is pipe though to sendmail, its pretty fast. I'd recommend this as a much simpler solution that futzing with ports and passwords! ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ List Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant Radiant: http://radiantcms.org Extensions: http://ext.radiantcms.org
[Radiant] Qesution about formatting with mailer extension?
I see the example of an mailer input form at http://wiki.github.com/radiant/radiant/mailer-extension I'm trying to reconcile that with http://htmlhelp.com/reference/html40/forms/fieldset.html The example puts the labels on the right, I'm trying to put them on the left and have the fields align. The table with actual form fields separates out label and field. In the mailer extension they are both under the same Any ideas? -- I like to believe that people in the long run are going to do more to promote peace than our governments. Indeed, I think that people want peace so much that one of these days governments had better get out of the way and let them have it. Dwight D. Eisenhower ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ List Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant Radiant: http://radiantcms.org Extensions: http://ext.radiantcms.org
Re: [Radiant] Radiant Mailer Extesion Error
I'm following up to this old mail because I have the same problem and
that old thread doesn't have a resolution that seems to apply to me.
I set up the mailer extension on my laptop using my LAN's mail hub and
it worked fine. Good, so I went ahead and installed it and then copied
the page (body, email, mailer) to my public site on Dreamhost, created
the contact/thanks page there and adjusted the entries in
config/environment.rb to suit ..
and it doesn't work.
Like this report, after clicking it reloads at /pages/112/mail#form
And no, it takes it time, so there is some processing going on.
The log shows no error; it says that the mail as sent to the address(es)
as expected.
Only there is no evidence it was; it doesn't get through.
There's nothing in the logs.
I've ssh'd to Dreamhost, to the working directory, and from there
telnet' to to mailserver I have in the configuration, for port 25, an
yes that's where it is, and being local its not asking for a login.
I am NOT using gmail.
I have experimented with the authentication, just in case, and no, that
makes no difference.
I've checked the Radiant logs and the site web logs and there's no
indication of what's going on
HELP!
Mauricio Dulce said the following on 12/04/2009 09:45 AM:
Hello, i have work whit radiant and Mailer extension but this not send
emails and redirect to page of thank-you, After giving click in email,
this reloads the same page pages/3/mail#mailer and I have this in the
log shows no error, this on production servers that have hired.
www.domain.com/contctenos hosted in site5
Processing MailController#create (for ip at 2009-12-03 14:01:19) [POST]
Parameters: {action=create, page_id=3,
mailer={company=xx, required={name=true,
subject=true, message=true, email=true},
name=, country=, City=Bogotá,
subject=test, phone=00, Address=Address,
message=test text , email=t...@domain.com},
controller=mail}
Sent mail to t...@gmail.com
Completed in 268ms (View: 0, DB: 49) | 200 OK [http://domain.com/pages/3/mail
]
-
in another company where I have hired a normal plan and not a
dedicated server, I will work correctly and they are CENTO, Support
tells me to be somewhat lost and not to do, here I put the log of
another company where we see that the extension works, I'm using
google for sending emails.
Processing MailController#create (for IP at 2009-12-03 21:02:04) [POST]
Parameters: {action=create, page_id=3,
mailer={company=xx, required={name=true,
subject=true, message=true, email=true},
name=, country=, City=Bogotá,
subject=test, phone=00, Address=Address,
message=test text , email=t...@domain.com},
controller=mail}
Sent mail to t...@gmail.com
Redirected to http://domain2.test.com/contact/thank-you
Completed in 2580ms (DB: 17) | 302 Found
[http://domain2.test.com/pages/3/mail
]
Processing SiteController#show_page (for IP at 2009-12-03 21:02:07)
[GET]
Parameters: {url=[contact, thank-you], action=show_page,
controller=site}
Completed in 920ms (DB: 427) | 404 [http://domain2.test.com/contact/thank-you
]
I lost in this problem, you have any suggestion to fix this problem
config of the both server
CENTOS 5.4 x86_64 standard
Rails 2.3.4
ruby 1.8.7 (2008-06-20 patchlevel 22) [x86_64-linux]
Site 5
X-Powered-By: Phusion Passenger (mod_rails/mod_rack) 2.2.4, Enterprise
Edition
Other Server
X-Powered-By: Phusion Passenger (mod_rails/mod_rack) 2.2.5
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[Radiant] How to use the 'description' field
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Re: [Radiant] Beginner Radiant Questions
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Re: [Radiant] Knowledge Base Extension
Jeff Randall said the following on 03/09/2010 05:28 PM: I was hoping that someone knew an extension that I could use to create a Knowledge Base for my website. Something that operates in a list like manner, assigned to Categories, and possibly attach files (paperclipped maybe). I looked into Simple Product Manager on github but it looked like overkill. Any suggestions or do I need to build from scratch? Do you mean something like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NEPOMUK_%28framework%29 -- Vizzini: INCONCEIVABLE! Inigo: You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. - The Princess Bride ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ List Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant Radiant: http://radiantcms.org Extensions: http://ext.radiantcms.org
Re: [Radiant] Console question on Radiant
banane said the following on 02/09/2010 12:34 PM: In pure SQL it would be: [snip] BTDT. Deperately want to avoid going back! I'm not well versed enough in Rails to know how to do this, ha! Isn't there a sql option in ActiveRecord where you can just push in db-sql and not worry about Rails doing the joins? The whole point was to use the rails _console_ and use the object-relational mapping. If I wanted a SQL solution I wouldn't have asked in a Ruby/Rails/Radiant forum :-) I like the idea of constructs such as Page.find(:all. :conditions .).name as an extrapolation of Page.name This is Object stuff, which is a lot more natural to an natural language user than the half-RPN nature of SQL. SQL is really the assembly code of database programming. The Rails object relational mapping is the HLL. If you love programming in assembly code I'm not going to stop you. But most of the programmers I know use at least C or C++, if not Perl or PHP or Python, and Ruby is one of the more H of the HLLs. ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ List Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant Radiant: http://radiantcms.org Extensions: http://ext.radiantcms.org
Re: [Radiant] Designing the Radiant Way?
Daniel O'Connell said the following on 02/04/2010 02:04 PM: Anton, Thank you very much for your help! I think it would be a great help to others, if you could add your method to the Radiant docs wiki. In a mail message there's context and we can add with dialogue to clarify. To do a piece for a wiki I'll need to be specific, include screen shots and a lot ore detail. I started on that and found it was so much work and had a crash from a power failure and ... and ... and I need to get my taxes done ... and ... I need the 'span of time and attention. Maybe. I'm still going through the steps you gave, but so far so good. This nuts and bolts understanding of how to work in Radiant has really been eluding me. Thanks for the link. I suppose by now I work with about 10 tabs open on snippets, templates, pages, page parts, page views, google searches, e-books, style sheets, web tools ... that it would be impossible to describe my approach to the 'nuts and bolts' of 'keyboarding'. I don't know how people ever lived without multi-taking editors ... Andrea's website is really a great resource for ideas. So is fullahead.org. Indeed. So are many other free template sites :-) Right now I'm working from the Lazy Days template http://fullahead.org/index.php/work/project/lazydays/ for a semi-fluid layout that scales well and can be 1 or more columns. The template is very well documented throughout. Very clean nicely laid out code too. Documentation, somewhere, is Very, Very useful. Keep notes on what and why you do what you do. I just found that my template a snippet that was just a logo. Moving it from the snippet to the template and then from the asset to the file system really helped performance! Note to self: remember this when writing up the process. Well, OK, 0-sidebar, 1-sidebar and 2-sidebar types of themes. Uh-oh! Someone isn't going to like that! Perhaps you need to use Joomla after all ... Joomla...Oh that almost gave me nightmares. Radiant is so much better than any of the CMSes I' am aware of, Rails or otherwise and i've researched/tested dozens of them. Indeed! But 'better' is a context sensitive term. If you were running a major portal or a publishing mini-empire and had dozens of editors and hundreds of authors then you might think differently. -- The way that can be followed is not the Way The truth that can be told is not the Truth ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ List Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant Radiant: http://radiantcms.org Extensions: http://ext.radiantcms.org
Re: [Radiant] Designing the Radiant Way?
No, that's a theme. I meant all the stuff or a blog - the code, extentions, configurations ... Daniel O'Connell said the following on 02/04/2010 02:42 PM: Apparently: http://github.com/indexzero/radiant-scribbish-theme On Feb 4, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Anton Aylward wrote: [.] Hey, is there a package with all the stuff necessary for a blog in the GIThub? ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ List Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant Radiant: http://radiantcms.org Extensions: http://ext.radiantcms.org
Re: [Radiant] Designing the Radiant Way?
Anton Aylward said the following on 02/04/2010 03:03 PM: Daniel O'Connell said the following on 02/04/2010 02:04 PM: Anton, Thank you very much for your help! I think it would be a great help to others, if you could add your method to the Radiant docs wiki. I've pasted my method of creating a theme from an existing web site or page into http://wiki.github.com/radiant/radiant/make-a-template-from-an-existing-site I'm sure the various existing export and import tools can be used to package up themes. -- The saddest life is that of a political aspirant under democracy. His failure is ignominious and his success is disgraceful. -- H.L. Mencken ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ List Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant Radiant: http://radiantcms.org Extensions: http://ext.radiantcms.org
[Radiant] Redirecting /
For various reasons I'd like to have the Home on my site menu go to /home (and the About go to /about and so on.) Creating /home and the sections that go into it which get managed as child pages - for editing/organization reasons - isn't the problem. The problem is that people visit http://MyDomain.com which is really MyDomain.com/ or in radiant terms / and not http://MyDomain.com/home Now I know if this was my own site I could play around with Apache and redirect, if I knew enough about Apache's redirect and had access to it, which I don't, and its all messed up by use of Dreamhost's funny implementation of Passenger anyway. I know there's 'routes.rb' but will that survive upgrades? I suspect not. Any other suggestions? Is there something in Rails or Radiant that does this that I'm unaware of? -- Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell. - Edward Abbey ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ List Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant Radiant: http://radiantcms.org Extensions: http://ext.radiantcms.org
Re: [Radiant] Designing the Radiant Way?
Daniel O'Connell said the following on 02/02/2010 08:18 PM: Hello to all, I'm still trying to get my head around designing a website with Radiant in mind. The biggest problem for me seems to be figuring out how to write the layout html so that Radiant knows where the content will go. For instance, with a multi-column layout how do you determine where the body or other page part will go in the layout so that it makes sense in Radiant. Could any of you seasoned veterans explain the process you use to design a website with Radiant in mind. How do you create a theme? Create 1, 2 or more column layout? I started to write this up but I rapidly found that explaining it was about 20-30 times as much work as doing it. Lets see it I can get it done quick. 1. Go to Andreas Viklund's site http://andreasviklund.com/ and download a FREE template. Get a zip file and unpack it. 2. Put .. The HTML a named template The CSS in public/stylesheet The images in /public/images 3. Go to the template. Go the head section Edit the reference to the stylesheet to match where you put the stylesheet. Go through the bodyto find references to images and edit them to match where you put the images. 4. Create the / page. Set its template to be named template you created in #1 5. Test by pointing your browser at the base of the site. It *should* look like Andreas' example. If it doesn't, then you've made a mistake in #2 and #3 6. Create some dummy content of you own in / 7. Go to the template and find out where in body the example content is. Leave all the menu stuff alone for now. Replace Andreas' wordage with r:content / 8. Test. You should now see your won content. 9. Gradually replace more of the basics in the template with your own material. I strongly suggest doing this: a) take the main menu stuff from the template and put it in a snippet called mainmenu and replace it in the template with r:snippet name=mainmenu / b) test You can do that with other chunks of stuff. With a bit of practice you can do that in less time than it took me to write this. Now, based on hard earned experience, I suggest your template has bits like this in it ... div id=sidebar r:content part=sidebar-hi inherit=true / r:content part=sidebar inherit=true / r:content part=sidebar-page / r:content part=sidebar-low inherit=true / /div !-- end sidebar -- div class=clearnbsp;/div You'll soon figure out what to do with the hi low and page-specific parts :-) You might also want to use this as your template's core div id=content r:unless_url matches=^/$ h1 class=headerstyler:title //h1 /r:unless_url r:content / !-- page main content -- p class=insidelink[ a href=#topBack to top/a ]/p r:if_content part=extended div id=extended r:content part=extended / /div !-- end extended -- p class=insidelink[ a href=#topBack to top/a ]/p /r:if_content r:if_content part=extended2 div id=extended2 r:content part=extended2 / /div !-- end extended2 -- p class=insidelink[ a href=#topBack to top/a ]/p /r:if_content /div !-- end div.content -- If you don't see it at first, trust me, you'll soon find out why :-) I've also found it useful to have this like in the head r:if_content part=head r:content part=head / /r:if_content I know that Radiant is only at 0.8.1 (stable) But there really needs to be better theming ability, and more documentation for those who struggle as I do with the programming end of things. I'm not happy with the idea of introducing theming the way WordPress or Joomla does into Radiant. Its too restrictive. If you just try converting the nine free examples that Andreas gives you'll find that they have awkward fits. I'm working on a site based on his '03' example. http://andreasviklund.com/templates/andreas03/ The top part has two extra bit, the logo where it says speed and accessibility and the caption where it says Presentation ... You need page-parts for those. You may -or may not- want them inherited. So Obviously the theme has to dictate what page parts you can or cannot have. If you develop with andreas01 http://andreasviklund.com/files/demo/andreas01/ and then move to Andreas03, you're in a mess - you've moved from two sidebars to one and you've got slots for two page parts that didn't exist before. What's the solution? Well, OK, 0-sidebar, 1-sidebar and 2-sidebar types of themes. Uh-oh! Someone isn't going to like that! Perhaps you need to use Joomla after all ... I would also love to see a Radiant CMS for dummies or other instruction geared for beginners offered for sale. I think the real problem with Radiant is that
[Radiant] Problem with 8.8.1 on Dreamhost
I've done the development on my laptop and now moved to Dreamhost, where Passenger blows up on (as far as I can tell from the error listing) config.gem 'imagesize', :lib = 'image_size' It says Error message: private method `gem' called for #Radiant::Configuration:0xa9e0974c Exception class: NoMethodError I've tried a freeze of the gems before uploading to Dreamhost. Any other ideas? -- Knowledge will forever govern ignorance: And a people who mean to be their own governours, must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives. --James Madison, quoted on the Library of Congress ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ List Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant Radiant: http://radiantcms.org Extensions: http://ext.radiantcms.org
[Radiant] A live backup another named database
I have the file_system extension installed and took a 'snapshot' So I did a took a backup copy of development cp development.sqlite3.db development-2010-01-24.sqlite3.db and then rake development file_system:to_files However the Db grew a bit when I restored that! rake development file_system:to_db ls -l db/ -rw-r--r-- 1 anton users 309248 2010-01-24 18:03 development-2010-01-24.sqlite3.db -rw-r--r-- 1 anton users 314368 2010-01-24 18:09 development.sqlite3.db Should I be concerned? Why has it grown? The second part of the question is this: I now want to restore that to a working database while I also work on the 'development' Database. So in config/database.yml I have = development: adapter: sqlite3 database: db/development.sqlite3.db snapshot: adapter: sqlite3 database: db/snapshot.sqlite3.db # Warning: The database defined as 'test' will be erased and # re-generated from your development database when you run 'rake'. # Do not set this db to the same as development or production. test: adapter: sqlite3 database: db/test.sqlite3.db === production is off in the future :-) I do a rake snapshot file_system:to_db and I get rake aborted! Don't know how to build task 'snapshot' Which sort-of makes sense. But then again doesn't. How can I specify a database other than [ development, test, production ] -- Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work. Thomas A. Edison ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ List Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant Radiant: http://radiantcms.org Extensions: http://ext.radiantcms.org
Re: [Radiant] How can i extract part from page for auto teaser making?
Dmitry Belitsky said the following on 01/15/2010 06:56 AM: Hello there, how can i use custom number of words/letters for generating teasers for articles? Is there are extension for it? I only found Summarize extension, but this is not what i want for my clients. I want simplest solution, which will cut first paragraph or first n letters. Thanks. In many types of blog software there is a mechanism whereby you can has the long list of postings, or at least the 'first paragraph', each with a read more... tab at the end. In some, you do this by inserting a marker at that point. In my Radiant based blog I achieve the same thing by use of page-parts. What you call the teaser I have as the main page part. If you just visit the base you get the list of these 'first paragraphs'. If you click though you get the whole article, which is in additional page-parts. Of course you could equally well have a page part called 'teaser'. I can imagine a RSS service that ignores the real body but serves up the 'teaser'. Of course in that case you'd have to redundantly fill in the 'teaser' page part, which is why I refer my approach. DRY. Of course this depends whether or not you want to 'extract'. I think my approach offers more control and less redundancy, but then I'm bigoted about it since its my idea :-) To be honest, the Layouts I use make extensive use of page parts and inheritance, as I mentioned in an earlier posting about constructing a sidebar. -- The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul. -- George Bernard Shaw ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant
Re: [Radiant] radiant template
Ozan Ay said the following on 01/15/2010 09:09 AM: I have made my xhtml css web template before the radiant cms installation. Now how can I implant my web template to radiant cms. Are there any tutorial or example. Thanks I'm working on one ... -- Leadership is understanding people and involving them to help you do a job. That takes all of the good characteristics, like integrity, dedication of purpose, selflessness, knowledge, skill, implacability, as well as determination not to accept failure. ~ Admiral Arleigh A. Burke ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant
Re: [Radiant] radiant template
Sean Cribbs said the following on 01/15/2010 09:37 AM: Hi Ozan, There's a decent tutorial in the middle of my presentation slides here: http://seancribbs.com/page_attachments//0054/barcampkc-pres.pdf Slide #37 also illustrates the use of page-parts on a blog to supply the 'teaser' as I was describing in another thread here earlier today. Thanks Sean, good stuff! -- Security is old, older than computers And old-guard security thinks of countermeasures as a way to manage risk. Avoiding threat is black white, either you avoid it or you don't. Managing risk is continuous. - B Schneier, Secrets and Lies pp 385 ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant
Re: [Radiant] Thoughts on layout design approach
Peter Degen-Portnoy said the following on 01/13/2010 11:38 AM: So, the question is, what clever solutions have you used to expand the Admin functionality for your users? Is there another approach that we¹re missing that would be more elegant? I¹d appreciate your warnings and encouragements. :-) I think you're making it too complicated. First, I've NEVER needed the nested-layout. I always use new Layouts. I usually have three or four (or more)(separate) Layouts for a site, one for the front page, one for normal pages and a couple for special pages. Sometimes I have what amounts to three column, aka 'two sidebars'. Sometimes its one column. I'd be hard pressed to imagine why I'd need a 'nested' Layout. The Layouts are all VERY heavy on snippets. The overall 'look and feel' is made consistent by the use of CSS and snippets. Any Layout is heavy on those snippets, defining the header, banner, logos, key elements like menus, footers and copyright notice. I always install Conditional Tags so that I have r:if and r:unless (and r:puts) tags to add to the Snippets, and Layouts. Some pages might need markers: there's another extension that allows for the variables. That being said, I can usually get a lot of the conditions done with things like r:if_ancestor_or_self / for different parts of the hierarchy. The other thing I rely on heavily is constructs like r:if_content part=extended2 div id=extended2 r:content part=extended2 / /div !-- end extended2 -- /r:if_content Why the div? So I can have a stylesheet reference for it! How else do you get the consistent 'look and feel'? I also rely heavily on inheritance. div id=sidebar r:snippet name =site-menu / r:content part=sidebar-hi inherit=true / r:content part=sidebar inherit=true / r:content part=sidebar-page / r:content part=innerlinks inherit=true / r:content part=sidebar-low inherit=true / /div !-- end sidebar -- Again, the div for the CSS. The inherit means that each section can have its own 'basic' sidebar. The line without the 'inherit' is the page-specific part of the sidebar. Of course this is a snippet, and the different Layouts can put it at the left or the right as they choose :-) I'm sure you can see how this principle can be generalized. Now add some conditionals to that You've really not stated your problem in terms of what you're trying to ACHIEVE. Instead you've told us about what you are trying to DO, the mechanics. I'm fairly confident that if I knew what you were trying to ACHIEVE I could manage it with the techniques I use regularly, without making it so rococo. If you want to examine this further, please feel free to contact me. I need some distraction from doing my taxes :-) -- A generation which ignores history has no past and no future. Robert Heinlein (1907 - 1988), The Notebooks of Lazurus Long ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant
Re: [Radiant] Thoughts on layout design approach
Peter Degen-Portnoy said the following on 01/13/2010 05:49 PM: Hi Folks, Thanks so very much to everyone who responded; this has been fantastically helpful! It sure looks like we have a number of options including creating two more layouts (although we would like to not have essentially the same layout 3 times; there is probably a, way to DRY up the layouts). Yes. As I mentioned. put things like 'sidebar' into the snippets than you have a pair of layouts: sidebar-left and sidebar-right. Its not so much DRY as 'factoring out common elements' and making them into building blocks. Its easier on your users to have many Layouts to choose from, even though they are 'much the same', than to put them though the other contortions you discussed. If you name the Layouts 'logically', and by that I mean the name reflects the function on the site, things like: 'front-page', event-page . Heck: I started that and I ended up using the templates plugin within just TWO layouts for one site, a 'front page' with no sidebar and a normal page with sidebar, and everything else done with Templates. Great plugin. It directs' the users as to what to fill in where almost like creating pages with a form! We could also use the r:if_url and r:unless_url to control the display of elements. It would more tightly bind the layout to the site structure, but the layout *is* the site, so we're good on that. :-) The r:if_content tags would allow us to use a simpler naming convention, like right_gutter and all the elements that need to appear in the right_gutter are placed there. Ah, I don't know about other people, but I've always taken the 'gutter' to mean the dead space between two elements, such as the main content and the sidebar. Be careful inventing terminology. As I pointed out, I have the Layouts with 'left-sidebar' and 'right-sidebar'. Why? Because the CSS is very specific about what goes where. A 'left-sidebar' page has a different offset of the main content from a layout that has a right sidebar or no sidebar. And unless you want it bouncing around all over the place, you DO need the CSS. #Mainpage #SidebarPage body body div id=containerdiv id=container div id=content div id=left-sidebar div /div div id=content /div /div /div /body /body Do it with CSS Let me make that quite clear. You can't just throw DIV-level elements around, you have to take care and consideration of the order they will rendered and the CSS. If its getting complicated, difficult or unclear you doing it wrong. I know that sounds a bit arrogant and fascist, but its true. One day someone will come along to read this, perhaps maintain it. It may be you years on, smarter perhaps or just perhaps a bit hurried. Keep it simple and clear. Your users and your colleagues will thank you. -- A PICTURE IS WORTH A THOUSAND WORDS--But it uses up a thousand times the memory. ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant
Re: [Radiant] Thoughts on layout design approach
Peter Degen-Portnoy said the following on 01/13/2010 05:49 PM: The r:if_content tags would allow us to use a simpler naming convention, like right_gutter and all the elements that need to appear in the right_gutter are placed there. Do you really mean 'gutter'? According to http://desktoppub.about.com/cs/pagelayout/g/gutter.htm its an alias for 'inside margins'.. Nice illustration on that page. If you are going to make a reply that involves printing, then I suggest you do what Wikipedia does. Have a separate CSS for the print that sets the content to full width and drops the sidebar and other decoration. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Print.cssusemsgcache=yesctype=text%2Fcsssmaxage=2678400action=rawmaxage=2678400 You might also want to check out the Blueprint layout CSS package and in particular Gutterless Blueprint http://www.blueprintcss.org/ Blueprint is a CSS framework, which aims to cut down on your development time. It gives you a solid foundation to build your project on top of, with an easy-to-use grid, sensible typography, useful plugins, and even a stylesheet for printing. http://github.com/baldwindavid/gutterless_blueprint_css Which I heartily recommend! There are visual layout editors based on Blueprint so as to make your CSS life easy. http://toki-woki.net/blog/p547-boks-a-visual-grid-editor http://toki-woki.net/p/Boks/ http://constructyourcss.com/ -- An NSA-employed acquaintance, when asked whether the government can crack DES traffic, quipped that real systems are so insecure that they never need to bother. Unfortunately, there are no easy recipes for making a system secure, no substitute for careful design and critical, ongoing scrutiny. -- Matt Blaze in AC2 ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant
Re: [Radiant] link on front-end to edit this_page if logged in
Steven Southard said the following on 01/07/2010 01:31 PM: I've heard wordpress has this handy edit link on any page if logged in as admin. Sounds like an efficient way to encourage editing of pages. As I understand, on the front-end if admin I need a link to open /admin/pages/this_page/edit. Are the basic tools in place for me to do that? Is there an extension that would be helpful? That sounds like one step along the road to making Radiant into a Wiki -- What goes around comes around. ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant
Re: [Radiant] Endnotes and 404
John Long said the following on 12/01/2009 01:05 PM: This is not a bug. A 404 page is not intended to have children. I'd recommend that you include some javascript that automatically redirects to your home page. DUH! I'm not sure I agree. Marking an existing page as 404 'cos its been taken out of service, perhaps for legal reasons, seems reasonable, and its also reasonable that its children need not be taken out of service. This is no different, logically, from a parent page that is taken out of service with a redirect to a replacement, and whose children are not affected. The only difference is whether or not there *is* a replacement. So I see this as a parsing problem. The parser hits a 404 page and stops. Anyway ... I tried puting a javascript redirect in the header -- IT'S SLOW! It also gives out the wrong information In the head for /extra I put script type=text/javascript window.location.href='/page-not-found'; /script and in /page-not-found I have The page you were looking for - r:attempted_url / - could not be found However after accessing /extra and getting redirected the message I see is The page you were looking for - /page-not-found - could not be found Which is not right. At least when /extra was a 404 page the message was right. I'm not a programmer. I found that javascript snippet via google. It seems to make sense. -- The only secure computer is one that's unplugged, locked in a safe, and buried 20 feet under the ground in a secret location... and i'm not even too sure about that one - Dennis Huges, FBI. ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant
[Radiant] Endnotes and 404
Endnotes are an alternative to footnotes. Long footnotes can intrude into the page, using endnotes moves them 'out of band'. I've created an otherwise blank page /endnotes/ and the endnotes live under there. Hyperlinks from the text lead there. simple enough, eh? But I don't want people to hack the address bar and look at the page /endnotes/ itself. So I marked it as Page type: file not found and it should come as a 404. It does. The only problem is that so do its children. And I have explicitly marked them as normal Is this a bug? Is it inherent in the logic of the way things work or it is something I've done wrong? -- Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe. --H. G. Wells ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant
Re: [Radiant] Caching issue
Myron Marston said the following on 11/30/2009 12:24 PM: So, it appears to me that the cache is being properly cleared on the server, but Firefox is continuing to display a version of the page that is has cached on the browser. My best guess is that there is some issue with the HTTP cache headers that causes Firefox to continue to display it's cached page. I haven't dealt with HTTP cache headers before, so I'm not really sure how to go about troubleshooting this. Any suggestions? Perhaps this ties in with my Last-Modified header question. Though in this case, I should think you have a simple case of changing the header that has nothing to do with the time the page or its children was edited. However I'd be interested in hearing how you change it when the page itself isn't edited. -- Insanity is hereditary. You get it from your kids. ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant
[Radiant] (resend) Re: Last modified header
Anton Aylward said the following on 11/26/2009 05:46 PM: Is there a way to add the Last-Modified header to a template and have it served correctly. Correctly ... ? Well, would that be from the date the page was last modified? r:date [for=updated_at / OK, so I have a page whose body is r:if_children r:children:each r:content / /r:children:each /r:if_children and one of those was modified later than the parent page ... which is quite reasonable if you set up structure before content. And what if there are further nesting? Oh, and what about a page that isn't itself modified but uses a snippet, and the snippet is modified, modified enough to make the page look very different. -- Five exclamation marks, the sure sign of an insane mind. -- Terry Pratchett _Reaper Man_ ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant
Re: [Radiant] Caching issue
Myron Marston said the following on 11/30/2009 06:26 PM: Perhaps this ties in with my Last-Modified header question. Anton--I looked through the archives and couldn't find this question. I'd be curious to read that thread if you can point me in the right direction. Resent. I looked at the W3 pages that described such things and their use, and there are an awful lot of headers to play with ;-) Do all browsers implement all of them? I'm sure one or other of them could get the 'renew' effect you want, if and only if the browser pays attention to it!! There are several extensions for Firefox that will let you view cache headers. Web Developer and Firebug both come to mind. For Firebug, clear your cache, enable Firebug, click the Net tab in the Firebug panel and load the offending page in Firefox. You should see an entry in the Net panel with a Headers tab. Thanks for the suggestion. I should have a been a bit more specific though...I know how to view the cache headers in safari and firefox, but I'm still trying to wrap my head around how these headers work (I just read up on them today for the first time), and I'm not sure what to try next. You and me,'Bro, you and me! That W3 stuff and all those headers is heady stuff :-) -- helicopter (n): 30,000 parts in tight orbit around a hydraulic fluid leak, waiting for metal fatigue to set in. ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant
Re: [Radiant] Last modified header
Anton Aylward said the following on 11/26/2009 05:46 PM: Is there a way to add the Last-Modified header to a template and have it served correctly. Correctly ... ? Well, would that be from the date the page was last modified? r:date [for=updated_at / OK, so I have a page whose body is r:if_children r:children:each r:content / /r:children:each /r:if_children and one of those was modified later than the parent page ... which is quite reasonable if you set up structure before content. And what if there are further nesting? Oh, and what about a page that isn't itself modified but uses a snippet, and the snippet is modified, modified enough to make the page look very different. -- The ability to learn faster than your competitors may be the only sustainable competitive advatage. - Arie De Geus, Planning Coordinator Royal Dutch Shell ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant
[Radiant] Last modified header
Is there a way to add the Last-Modified header to a template and have it served correctly. Correctly ... ? Well, would that be from the date the page was last modified? r:date [for=updated_at / OK, so I have a page whose body is r:if_children r:children:each r:content / /r:children:each /r:if_children and one of those was modified later than the parent page ... which is quite reasonable if you set up structure before content. And what if there are further nesting? -- Not even the most heavily-armed police state can exert brute force on all of its citizens all of the time. Meme management is so much subtler. ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant
Re: [Radiant] Page Event Extension
subsor...@gmail.com said the following on 11/24/2009 10:03 AM: Hello, I was just taking a look at the Page Event Extension and wondered if anyone knew what the day, month, season and year pages were and how they worked? Try installing it and you'll see that these are fields added to pages The 'calendar' is a dedicated page. Looks like a really interesting extension, would love to hear from people about how it works. it works real well. Just follow the instructions. -- Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not tried it. -- Knuth ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant
Re: [Radiant] Page Event Extension
subsor...@gmail.com said the following on 11/24/2009 11:53 AM: Hmm, How do you list the shows via the archives? I can see r:events:in_range:each but that requires start=/mm/dd manually specified in the tag. r:events:upcoming:each limit=10 just seems to list all upcoming events but is not scoped to the date in the archive... Is creating a simple list of events scoped by month/day possible? We're talking at cross purposes, then. The Page Event archive is quite separate from the Archive. Its for events that appear in the calendar. Presentations, meetings, trade shows, things like that. Think C*A*L*E*N*D*A*R You have fields on those pages that say when the EVENT is to occur, and that has nothing to do with when the page was written, published or updated. I presume you don't mean shows in your sentence in that sense. Its about shows as a noun, trade SHOWS, theatrical SHOWS, not as the verb. The Archive ties in with when the page was published, as in a Blog. Its quite separate and nothing to do with this plugin. I'm using Page Event for a site that has no blogging. The upcoming Events section take the next 3 from the /events. Which is what its supposed to do. I think you have the wrong idea of what this is for. Think in terms of a CALENDAR of events. Now, instead of the matrix of the calendar, 28. 29, 30 or 31 days per page, think in terms of a linear list that may be over more than one page of the calendar, as might be the case with a once-a-month event. Think C*A*L*E*N*D*A*R -- It's not a good idea to believe anything about security when read in the mass media. by the time it gets there it is usually sensationalized to the point where it's more about hype and marketing than anything else. - Ryan Permeh [ta...@millcomm.com] on Vuln-Dev ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant
Re: [Radiant] Page Event Extension
subsor...@gmail.com said the following on 11/24/2009 03:04 PM: I'm confused at to what these additional page types actually do...? You've got me confused now. Which extensions are you talking about? you're refering to r:archive and r:events ... Those are two separate extensions. The first comes with the basic Radiant - check the gem if you haven't frozen it into your working tree. The second is a separate plugin that you download and install manually. The Radiant core archive code extracts the Archive pages from their original place in the Radiant distribution. Pages of page-type=archive are intended to provide behaviour similar to a blog archive or a news archive. Child page URLs are altered to be in %Y/%m/%d format (2004/05/06). Looking at the code of the archive extension I see that its based on date published, as you would expect or a blog. The Page Event code adds extra fields and its operation is based on those extra fields. The Archive is based on each page having one specific date. The Page Event is oriented around the idea of a calendar, so that means an event may have a start data and an end date, as would be the case for a conference, a trade show or a Broadway show. They are two completely different things with different objectives. Trying to use them together is going to tie you into knots. -- The art of progress is to preserve order amid change and to preserve change amid order. --Alfred North Whitehead ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant
Re: [Radiant] Radiant capabilities
Asfand Yar Qazi said the following on 11/23/2009 07:17 AM: 2009/11/22 Anton Aylward anton.aylw...@rogers.com: Asfand Yar Qazi said the following on 11/22/2009 10:10 AM: 2009/11/21 Anton Aylward anton.aylw...@rogers.com: I'm a strong believer in simplification, and one of the axioms is Each Thing Does One Thing and Only One Thing. Overloading a single engine to do all you want sounds like a recipe for disaster. Well, I'm not really overloading a single engine. The radiant engine will only manage blogs and articles. That is kind of what it is designed for, I'd assume - dealing with articles and presenting them in some format accessible by a menu hierarchy. The separate forum software (whatever it is) will manage the forums. If the client wants something else added in the future, like a video presenting application, obviously that would be its own app. First: I don't mean 'overload' in the sense of 'give it so much work it collapses'. Ruby, as it is now, may not be the most efficient of interpreters, but any reasonable server will be available to handle a few hundred transactions a minute :-) The Pickaxe book talks about scaling in very basic ways and Radiant has some excellent caching capability. No, I meant 'overloading' in the management sense. Do one thing... If anything kills a project its complexity. And I don't know where you get off slagging the excellent work by the various contributors to Radiant by implying its not as capable of being a forum engine as a blogging engine. And yes, there are plugins to handle video too. -- A man thinks that by mouthing hard words he understands hard things. - Herman Melville ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant
Re: [Radiant] Radiant capabilities
Asfand Yar Qazi said the following on 11/22/2009 10:10 AM: 2009/11/21 Anton Aylward anton.aylw...@rogers.com: Asfand Yar Qazi said the following on 11/21/2009 12:05 PM: I'd like to know if Radiant or one of its extensions offers some capabilities I'm looking for for a site I need to write for a client. Site. That's an important term. It means domain? Right? I mean 'site'. I know of several 'sites' where the all the features are rolled up into a single coherent interface (at least from the visitor's point of view), for example, http://www.anandtech.com/ (technology magazine) and http://www.therevival.co.uk (Muslim youth magazine). Just for the record ... There is a multi-site plugin for Radiant, that lets more than one site run from the same engine. Each site has its own layout, snippets and css within the overall database. I see no reason the opposite can't be done as well. More than one Radiant 'engine' but with the same basic layout, banner, footer, main menu. Perhaps someone could comment on the 'efficiency' of this? For example, they need not be both implemented on the same machine. Yes, I note your point about SEO, Asfand, but then again, there are plugins and tools that can 'merge' subdomains so they appear as one. Can http://github.com/saturnflyer/radiant-seo_help-extension/ be used to help? I don't know. To be honest I've long given up on optimizing search engine submissions. When I submit things like my own name or that of the companies I've done sites for they always seem to come up on the first or second page of a google search WITHOUT any SEO work. I sometimes wonder the people selling SEO services, books, software, aren't just another scam and time waster. Or maybe I put the right stuff in the META the first time. Who knows. But I don't see SEO as a hurdle. ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant
Re: [Radiant] Radiant capabilities
Asfand Yar Qazi said the following on 11/22/2009 10:10 AM: 2009/11/21 Anton Aylward anton.aylw...@rogers.com: I'm not going to skimp on forum features just because it has to be in Ruby on Rails - phpBB it is, because the rich feature set is worth it (and it's free compared to vBulletin). The main page has to have snippets of the latest blog entries, the latest forum posts, and a single username/password must be able to access all of these. Using separate apps makes this more difficult, but not impossible - I just have to delve into the database of each one and extract the text myself. It doesn't have to be like that! SSO is a very fuzzy concept. ... That's why I want to use a single engine for everything - RBAC becomes easier. If I have to use other software, I'll basically be creating accounts and logging people into them on the other software when they log onto my app. But phpBB, for example, has its own RBAC scheme, so that's ok. It means doubling work of administrators when assigning roles (first on the app, then on the forum software), but from the visitor's point of view, it seems consistent, because they only have to create an account once. I think you're labouring under a misapprehension. Certainly if you use a PHP engine for the forum and Radiant Engine for the other stuff you'll have this matter of hand copying. But there are simpler ways to do this. I once did up an application with a simple portal page and simple and SEPARATE account manager application/database. The account manager did more that 'just' access control, it also determined which of a number of databases the user could connect to.[1] Think about that for a moment. Its neither a new nor revolutionary concept. Single sign On in a large windows environment is done with something like an LDAP database. I don't particularly like LDAP, but its there and there's a lot of it. A plugin that overrides Radiant's existing authentication isn't going to be difficult. Does one already exist? Once a user has been authenticated to the domain a cookie can contain (signed and encrypted so it can't be hacked!) all the information that does the SSO. How do you think SSO in web based applications work anyway? The HTTP protocol is connectionless, so ANY login system has to use cookies to simulate a connection. I'm sure if I looked I could find a few media companies - ZDNet perhaps?? - that simulate SSO across multiple engines and subdomains using domain-level cookies.I know for sure my Amazon Affiliate login also authenticates me to the store. I'm a strong believer in simplification, and one of the axioms is Each Thing Does One Thing and Only One Thing. Overloading a single engine to do all you want sounds like a recipe for disaster. [1] See Rick Smiths' book Authentication http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0201615991?ie=UTF8tag=emergentprope-20linkCode=as2camp=1789creative=390957creativeASIN=0201615991 P122: Indirect Authentication dresses the scalability problem posed by sites with a single user population but multiple points of service. Even a site with just two servers will want to avoid the headache of maintaining consistency between two separate authentication databases. -- A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. -- Robert A. Heinlein, Time Enough for Love ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant
Re: [Radiant] Radiant capabilities
Asfand Yar Qazi said the following on 11/21/2009 12:05 PM: Hi, I'd like to know if Radiant or one of its extensions offers some capabilities I'm looking for for a site I need to write for a client. Site. That's an important term. It means domain? Right? I wouldn't do this all with just one engine, even if I used Radiant for all the parts. Suppose you have a 'portal' at QizisCompany.com. I've done this with static HTML and embeded IFRAMES for news feeds, but there's no reason that this shouldn't be the front page of the magazine, and yes I believe it can be done with Radiant. But that front page can have a menu item for Blogs that actually takes you to Blogs.QizisCompany.com. Perhaps that'd done with Radiant, perhaps not. Another menu item goes to forums.qizisCompany.com . And so on. If you don't like the forum plugin for Radiant, try another RoR forum engine: Eldorado - http://eldorado.heroku.com/ They want a 'magazine' type structure, with forum and blogs, using a single sign on. SSO is a very fuzzy concept. Many of the authentication mechanisms give a cookie token back after login and have remember me so that when the user come back after a period (seconds, hours, days...) so long as they haven't deleted the cookie they are authenticated. If you make this happen at the DOMAIN level - see above - then you can make one form of SSO happen. There's a few IFs though. Authentication is not the the same as Authorization. Someone may log in to update their blog but that may not mean they are authorized to read private parts of the forum or submit articles to the journal. I suggest you look at using Role Based Access Control. I believe there is a plugin for it, but I don't know if it addresses this kind of thing. Check out the plugins by 'spanner' http://github.com/spanner/radiant-reader-extension http://github.com/spanner/radiant-forum-extension So someone can open an account, and be given permission to write articles. These are then approved by designated editors and published both to the front page, and to 'category' pages depending on what category the articles belong to. Yes, that's most definitely RBAC. See http://github.com/saturnflyer/radiant-page_review_process-extension/ This sounds like standard CMS stuff, doesn't it? The only sticking point seems to be the overall account scheme, where a single user account can do multiple things depending on what permissions it has. Will Radiant easily support these features, or is some hard development work required? Users and user groups seem covered in Will Spanner's plugins. I don't know if he implements any kind of RBAC. Perhaps this can be adapted http://github.com/dko/radiant-rbac_assets-extension/ http://github.com/saturnflyer/radiant-rbac_base-extension/ http://github.com/NoamB/acts_as_permissible/ See also http://github.com/saturnflyer/radiant-user_pref_control-extension/ Please let us know how you progress with this. /a ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant
Re: [Radiant] Navigation Menu Sub-levels
Mauricio Dulce said the following on 11/19/2009 07:05 PM: Hello, I'm finishing a web mounted radiant, but I need to generate a two-level navigation, and searched and not found such information and I am using this reference to create the menu. The idea is that this will render me this menu No it won't. r:navigation / produces a single menu. It may or may not have anything to do with the hierarchy of pages. You could write r:navigation urls= Main: /skipjack | About: /para1/nicetomeetyou/section1 | Buying: /shop/selling | Selling: /trade/buying | Goodbye: http://www.google.com The point I'm making here is that r:navigation / is completely arbitrary. It need not follow the hierarchy. *IF* - and its a big if - you want a menu that follows you page hierarchy, AND you want something like suckerfish menus, then a) see my post on this last week b) from the 'root'(which may not be / ) div id=menup class=menuh r:if_children ul r:children:each lir:link / r:if_children ul r:children:each lir:link / /li /r:children:each /ul /li /r:children:each /ul /r:if_children /div This will dynamically generate the two level menu. But please see my post about menus from last week -- There are still places where people think that the function of the media is to supply information -- Donn Rottenburg ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant
Re: [Radiant] Paperclipped Upload Error
Tom Stoll said the following on 11/16/2009 08:59 PM: Unfortunately, Anton, I tried Keith's suggestion, and nothing changed. I use Safari, and I don't think Safari did anything funny. Perhaps it will work for you. I don't understand how Firefox could have done it to you. There seem to be quite a few moving parts... Has anyone else seen this problem with shared hosting??? If its a javascript problem then its at the client end not the server end. I tracked this down by borrowing a Windows machine and using and old version of IE. Things worked perfectly. Perhaps you can try other browsers too. -- Democracy does not guarantee equality of conditions; it only guarantees equality of opportunity. --Irving Kristol ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant
[Radiant] That cucmber problem again
Actually I was having problems with paperclipped: When I try to add a new asset I get the popup on 'browse' but when I click on a file the name isn't transfered to the input field. Of course I can't enter the pat in the input filed since entering that field causes the popup to appear ... This in turn leads to ActionView::MissingTemplate (Missing template admin/assets/create.erb in view path vendor/extensions/sns_minifier/app/views:vendor/extensions/sns/app/views:vendor/extensions/settings/app/views:vendor/extensions/reorder/app/views:vendor/extensions/paperclipped/app/views:vendor/extensions/page_preview/app/views:vendor/extensions/dashboard/app/views:vendor/extensions/copy_move/app/views:/usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/radiant-0.8.1/app/views): radiant (0.8.1) vendor/plugins/haml/rails/./lib/sass/plugin/rails.rb:19:in `process' So I thought to update paperclipped via 'ray' What was the command again? Try 'rake -T' to find out. Well I got rake -T --trace (in /home/anton/Ruby/EightyOne) rake aborted! undefined method `feature_pattern=' for #Cucumber::Rake::Task:0xb724f1a0 /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/radiant-0.8.1/lib/tasks/cucumber.rake:13 /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/cucumber-0.4.0/lib/cucumber/rake/task.rb:127:in `initialize' /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/radiant-0.8.1/lib/tasks/cucumber.rake:7:in `new' /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/radiant-0.8.1/lib/tasks/cucumber.rake:7 /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/radiant-0.8.1/vendor/rails/activesupport/lib/active_support/dependencies.rb:145:in `load_without_new_constant_marking' /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/radiant-0.8.1/vendor/rails/activesupport/lib/active_support/dependencies.rb:145:in `load' /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/radiant-0.8.1/vendor/rails/activesupport/lib/active_support/dependencies.rb:521:in `new_constants_in' /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/radiant-0.8.1/vendor/rails/activesupport/lib/active_support/dependencies.rb:145:in `load' /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/radiant-0.8.1/Rakefile:10 /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/radiant-0.8.1/Rakefile:10:in `each' /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/radiant-0.8.1/Rakefile:10 /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/rake-0.8.7/lib/rake.rb:1620:in `load' /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/rake-0.8.7/lib/rake.rb:1620:in `load' /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/rake-0.8.7/lib/rake.rb:2451:in `load_imports' /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/rake-0.8.7/lib/rake.rb:2390:in `raw_load_rakefile' /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/rake-0.8.7/lib/rake.rb:2017:in `load_rakefile' /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/rake-0.8.7/lib/rake.rb:2068:in `standard_exception_handling' /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/rake-0.8.7/lib/rake.rb:2016:in `load_rakefile' /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/rake-0.8.7/lib/rake.rb:2000:in `run' /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/rake-0.8.7/lib/rake.rb:2068:in `standard_exception_handling' /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/rake-0.8.7/lib/rake.rb:1998:in `run' /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/rake-0.8.7/bin/rake:31 /usr/bin/rake:19:in `load' /usr/bin/rake:19 Its that old undefined method `feature_pattern=' for #Cucumber::Rake::Task:0xb724f1a0 ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant
Re: [Radiant] n-tiered Navigation
Jason Broom said the following on 11/13/2009 05:30 PM: New to RadiantCMS. Not a developer. I'm trying to create an n-tiered (three levels) standard navigation for a test site. Grandparents - Parents - Children. This n-tiered navigation should always show the Grandparents, but only show the children when a parent is clicked on. I don't want any third-tier cousins to see one another. What you're missing is do it all with CSS. Go google for things like Suckerfish menu done entirely in CSS. I did this for one client - very nice it was. Just as you describe. They decided they didn't want it after all :-( It uses three levels of nested ul ... /ul and the menu items are each li.../li div id=menu ul lih2Actions /h2 ul li Action 1 /li li Action 2 /li li h2Nested Actions/h2 ul li Nested Action1 /li /ul /li /ul /li /ul /div See also http://meyerweb.com/eric/css/edge/menus/demo.html mouseover the 'css/edge' on the menu on the far right See: three elvels http://pixelspread.com/blog/289/css-drop-down-menu http://csscreator.com/node/30664 http://www.roopletheme.com/forum/index.php?topic=631.0 Here's a generator: http://pixopoint.com/products/suckerfish_css/ http://mondaybynoon.com/2006/03/27/suckerfish-hoverlightbox/ http://www.classicaleconomies.com/ The classic Suckerfish http://www.htmldog.com/articles/suckerfish/dropdowns/example/ used a bit of javascript to get around IE problems, but later versions used pure CSS. http://users.tpg.com.au/j_birch/plugins/superfish/ Here's the three (and four, vertical and horizontal) level illustrated http://htmldog.com/articles/suckerfish/dropdowns/ http://htmldog.com/articles/suckerfish/dropdowns/example/vertical.html http://htmldog.com/articles/suckerfish/dropdowns/example/bones3.html albeit with some javascript But see http://www.builtfromsource.com/2006/10/23/a-fix-for-suckerfish-dropdowns-in-ie-7/ Or here's a version that deals with an indefinite number of levels by using some javascript magic http://netweblogic.com/css/suckerfish-drop-down-menu-improved/ ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant
[Radiant] Quotes within quotes problem
I've got a problem with with RedCloth4 that I can't find help with on the pages at RedCloth.org I want to cite a quotation, that is, generate HTML that reads and as the German Playwright Johann Wolfgang von Goethe said a href=http://thinkexist.com/quotation/the_solution_of_every_problem_is_another/158690.html;cite#34The solution of every problem is another problem#34/cite/a.br / but have those quotes matched I start with The solution of every problem is another problem Merely adding the :http://thinkexist.com/quotation/the_solution_of_every_problem_is_another/158690.html. Just makes it a link. The 'cite' uses ?? So I try ??The solution of every problem is another problem?? and get what I expect, a citation with balanced quote marks. But ??The solution of every problem is another problem??:http://thinkexist.com/quotation/the_solution_of_every_problem_is_another/158690.html. Doesn't give me the cited quotation with a link. Adding a brace, as mentioned on the Redcloth.org site, doesn't help either [??The solution of every problem is another problem??]:http://thinkexist.com/quotation/the_solution_of_every_problem_is_another/158690.html. Is this a but in RedCloth4 or am I approaching this incorrectly? Any RedCloth gurus here? Any RedCloth list I could ask? -- In preparing for battle I have always found that plans are useless, but planning is indispensable. Dwight D. Eisenhower ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant
Re: [Radiant] Quotes within quotes problem
Anton Aylward said the following on 11/12/2009 03:21 PM: I'm aware of the _correct_ use of cite and do use it that way. My example could have used just about any tag, but the CITE was different enough to stand out. I should explain that. In the generated page, I use ctrl-U to view the source, then search for that block of HTML. By using CITE, which doens't occur anywhere else on the page becuase I'm not using CITE in its correct way, I can find it quite easily. Sort of like putting debug statements in source code. -- For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong. --Henry Louis Mencken ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant
Re: [Radiant] Problem installing 0.8.1 - late at night
Jim Gay said the following on 11/09/2009 11:13 PM: Is this a new instance or an upgrade? If it's an upgrade, have you run rake radiant:update? Its a new instance. Not only that, but it seems my efforts to upgrade gems in general have broken the other 0.6.9 application I was working on that I thought I had 'frozen'. This is very annoying and I don't know where to start looking to fix this. It basically means my work in progress is chronically zapped. All off it, not just my trial of 0.8.1. 1. The 8.8.1 trial seems t be flopping all over the place with little logic. 2. The old 'frozen' 0.6.9 apps that worked yesterday morning seems to have been zapped by upgrading gems in my attempt to get the 0.8.1 working. Obviously I should have taken a full disk snapshot that included /usr/lib/ruby !!! You guys do that as a matter of course, don't you? The failing 0.6.9 errors begining with failing to find 'require': /home/anton/Ruby/new-SystemIntegrity/vendor/rails/activesupport/lib/active_support/dependencies.rb:153:in `require': super: no superclass method `require' (NoMethodError) from /home/anton/Ruby/new-SystemIntegrity/vendor/rails/activesupport/lib/active_support/dependencies.rb:521:in `new_constants_in' from /home/anton/Ruby/new-SystemIntegrity/vendor/rails/activesupport/lib/active_support/dependencies.rb:153:in `require' from /home/anton/Ruby/new-SystemIntegrity/vendor/rails/activesupport/lib/active_support/core_ext/module/attribute_accessors.rb:36:in `to_proc' from /home/anton/Ruby/new-SystemIntegrity/vendor/plugins/haml/lib/haml.rb:1033:in `each' from /home/anton/Ruby/new-SystemIntegrity/vendor/plugins/haml/lib/haml.rb:1033:in `init_rails' from /home/anton/Ruby/new-SystemIntegrity/vendor/plugins/haml/init.rb:7:in `evaluate_init_rb' -- And don't tell me there isn't one bit of difference between null and space, because that's exactly how much difference there is. -- Larry Wall ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant
Re: [Radiant] Problem installing 0.8.1 - late at night
well this http://github.com/radiant/radiant/issues/unreads#issue/56 edit got the demo 0.8.1 working. Perhaps it time to migrate that into the gem? Now onward to find out why my other applications have been zapped. -- There is only one quality worse than hardness of heart and that is softness of head. --Theodore Roosevelt ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant
[Radiant] Redcloth Acronym limitation
I've been experimenting with embedding the 'title' tag. Redcloth does this with the 'acronym mechanism. From http://redcloth.org/textile/writing-paragraph-text/ there is the example The EPA(Environmental Protection Agency) is measuring GHG(greenhouse gas) emissions. being mapped to pThe acronym title=Environmental Protection Agency span class=capsEPA/span/acronym is measuring acronym title=greenhouse gasspan class=capsGHG/span/acronym emissions./p The key bit here is that the title=Environmental Protection Agency causes a popup. I want to do a similar thing but end up as tag title=explanatory text multi word stuff, not upper case /tag The 'tag' will probably be a span The best I've figured out is ==span title=explanatory text multi word stuff, not upper case /span== which is a bit clunky. Any ideas? -- Between the iron gates of fate, The seeds of time were sown, And watered by the deeds of those Who know and who are known; Knowledge is a deadly friend When no one sets the rules. The fate of all mankind I see Is in the hands of fools. - Greg Lake ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant
Re: [Radiant] using CGI parameters
Mamed Mamedov said the following on 10/22/2009 01:31 AM: As i know you can access query params via params hash. For example, http://yoursite.com/?someparam=123 will be accessable through: params[:someparam] Is it ok? Not really. I know about that in RoR /app/ files, code and views and templates, but what I'm dealing with here are Radiant pages. I didn't think the 'raw' RoR level was accessible. Why else have the radius language? -- History knows no resting places and no plateaus. -- Henry Kissinger ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant
[Radiant] using CGI parameters
I have a Radiant site hosted on Dreamhost. It works fine. I'm in the process of adding their Announcement List to the site. OK so far. Their how-to page is at http://wiki.dreamhost.com/Announcement_Mailing_List#How_do_I_display_information_from_the_form_on_my_custom_URLs.3F Well, actually that's my question. They give an example in PHP of taking CGI parameters and using hem in the text body of the page. ?php $email = $_GET['address']; $name = $_GET['name']; ? Thanks for subscribing, ?php echo $name; ? - we'll send our next newsletter to you at ?php echo $email; ?! Can you do this in Radiant? Actually there also the 'code' parameter. it would be nice to be able to have just one response page and to be able to branch on that code. Is this do-able in Radiant? /a ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant
Re: [Radiant] [ANN] Radiant 0.9.0 RC1
Nate said the following on 10/11/2009 10:38 PM: Anton Aylward said the following on 10/11/2009 07:23 AM: Ah. Any suggestions for running this along side the development of other Radiant sites using earlier version? For reasons of extension compatibility and my lack of knowledge of GIT I still run a lot of 0.6.9 'Cos I'd really like to try this for a new project I have in mind. I suggest you learn how to use git then. ;^) I have been looking into other CMS's to use on larger projects, or projects not well suited to radiant, and that's the one thing I cannot do without. Perhaps, then, you can suggest a source of How To for GIT for non-developers. ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant
Re: [Radiant] [ANN] Radiant 0.9.0 RC1
Arthur Gunn said the following on 10/12/2009 08:24 AM: Perhaps, then, you can suggest a source of How To for GIT for non-developers. There are no end of resources out there, my personal recommendation though: http://www-cs-students.stanford.edu/~blynn/gitmagic/ Ah. about 50 pages more than I wanted. Telling me all the things that as a non-developer I don't need to know about, and not answering fundamental questions like when do I have to worry about a 'module' or 'submodule' and how can I keep from geting an update from 0.9 when I've got a 0.6.9 based application or vice versa, and what if I'm using 0.9 and I try to ... clone? ... an extension that hasn't a 0.9 revision now but will have in the future? I'm sure I'm not the only person on this list who has questions like that. -- The state is made for man, not man for the state That is to say the state should be our servant and not we its slaves. --Albert Einstein ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant
Re: [Radiant] [ANN] Radiant 0.9.0 RC1
John W. Long said the following on 10/09/2009 10:21 PM: Hello! I am pleased to announce the first release candidate of Radiant 0.9.0. Oh Goodie! * We’ve reduced the number of flash messages in favor of status messages that pop up when you submit a form. I'm not sure about that, I'll have to see how it interacts with my Firefox popup-blocker. [...] We want to encourage all extension developers to update their extensions to work with 0.9.0 as the interface changes in this release are significant and will break existing extensions. Which leads to my first question. What testing with extension did you do in order to come up with that observation? You obviously know some extensions break, but which ones? And which ones DO work? Much of the power of Radiant is in its extensions, so this is an important point. As always we welcome your feedback and contributions. == Download Install Ah. Any suggestions for running this along side the development of other Radiant sites using earlier version? For reasons of extension compatibility and my lack of knowledge of GIT I still run a lot of 0.6.9 -- The least lack of discipline starts to erode our self-esteem. -- Jim Rohn, http://www.jimrohn.com ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant
Re: [Radiant] SnS Usage Questions -- I Need Feedback
Good idea. I may have played with the settings and I may have omited the minifier somewhere, but I've no objection to this, not to folding what is a key extension into the distribution package. -- Five exclamation marks, the sure sign of an insane mind. -- Terry Pratchett _Reaper Man_ ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant
Re: [Radiant] [ANN] Radiant 0.9.0 RC1
Anton Aylward said the following on 10/11/2009 07:23 AM: Ah. Any suggestions for running this along side the development of other Radiant sites using earlier version? For reasons of extension compatibility and my lack of knowledge of GIT I still run a lot of 0.6.9 'Cos I'd really like to try this for a new project I have in mind. -- Perhaps I am a dinosaur, but if I saw the word hacker used positively on a resume, I would have trouble continuing. Hacking means using quick and dirty means to achieve an objective without concern for collateral damage and is totally opposite to my philosophy of first, do no harm. -- Pagett Peterson, Wednesday, January 18, 2006 ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant
Re: [Radiant] URL tags
John W. Long said the following on 09/23/2009 11:20 AM: I like this: r:if_blank part=my_part r:unless_blank part=my_part Personally I am tired of the if_ and prefer the more generic simple if with some parameter. It look more natural. -- Nothing is more difficult to carry out, nor more doubtful of success, nor more dangerous to handle, than to initiate a new order of things. Machiavelli ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant
Re: [Radiant] URL tags
Jim Gay said the following on 09/23/2009 03:26 PM: On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 3:00 PM, John W. Long m...@johnwlong.com wrote: Basically, encouraging users to have blank page parts is not something that I want to encourage. They should delete the object to keep the database clean if this is something that they desire. Users don't care about keeping the database clean. Developers might care, but regular content editors just want to know where to put their content. And the problem with deleting a page part is that the user needs to remember what it was called to successfully recreate it and have it appear in the layout. This is particularly true if you are using templates. The 'business process' may mean that not all the templates parts are filled in initially. -- I tell you that as long as I can conceive something better than myself I cannot be easy unless I am striving to bring it in to existence or clearing the way for it. - George Bernard Shaw ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant
Re: [Radiant] URL tags
Mohit Sindhwani said the following on 09/23/2009 09:35 PM: Anton Aylward wrote: John W. Long said the following on 09/23/2009 03:00 PM: Basically, encouraging users to have blank page parts is not something that I want to encourage. Not so. I've had to use blank page parts as flags in a number of situations becuase I could not solve the problem any other way. I think that is the most common use case of blank parts for me. Perhaps, if there was a really easy way to add page flags? I'm sure there are some, but they require adding an extension and using it in some manner; Maybe the blank page part is labelled upcoming because it means upcoming and you could use the event manager instead; but then again maybe it doesn't mean 'upcoming'. Maybe you can use one of Chris Parrish's variables. Of some complex and arbitrary test. Whose use isn't as obvious as a page part that describes the flag. But maybe you don't need all that, so just use a page part ... Its simpler and all the code is already there. Maybe ... lots of things. ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant
Re: [Radiant] URL tags
John W. Long said the following on 09/23/2009 10:00 PM: On Sep 23, 2009, at 9:35 PM, Mohit Sindhwani wrote: Anton Aylward wrote: I've had to use blank page parts as flags in a number of situations becuase I could not solve the problem any other way. I think that is the most common use case of blank parts for me. Perhaps, if there was a really easy way to add page flags? We've got plans for custom page attributes which would allow for something like this. Is that an extension? Nah, the sites that work with page parts as flags are happy with 0.6..9 or a few years yet ... -- Many of life's failures are people who did not realize how close they were to success when they gave up. Thomas A. Edison ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant
[Radiant] Dual RSS
Question in two parts. 1. Can I restrict the RSS to work on only part of the pages tree? 2. Can I have *one* RSS fee on TWO parts of the tree? (e.g. 'Upcoming Events - /events' and 'Upcoming presentations - /presentations' ) -- It seems to work fairly well but composing e-mail on a phone keypad is akin to trigonometry in binary. -- ajtr2 ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant
[Radiant] Re: [Radiant-Dev] Where can I find more themes / templates for Radiant ?
Dinooz said the following on 05/19/2009 02:22 PM: I wonder if somebody can point me on alternatives to change the look feel of my Radiant Site. I'm just starting and like to see some examples of changing the way it looks. I've done a number of different 'look and fee' usog the various free site designs that are available on the net. My favourites are the Andreas Viklund ones: http:/andreasviklund.com/ If you don't like those, his site has links to other sites and a number of competitions. There are also pay-for designs. YMMV. Go google. -- Production is not the application of tools to materials, but logic to work. --Peter F. Drucker ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant
[Radiant] Automating New pages
I'm sorry this isn't a very precise question, but I'm also searching for ideas. I'm trying to automate a site. The use of CMS rather than crafted pages is great, and would be better if I could get the staff concerned to use Textile instead of their buggy html or importing html from Microsoft word! But what I'd really like is some way to create new pages without them actually having to log in. A sort of shell script QA session. I realise it will need a lot of development, and I'd appreciate ideas. Templates are good, if I can figure out creating page parts. One of the problems I'm looking at is how to figure out the appropriate parent page. -- The Internet is not the greatest threat to information security; stupidity is the greatest threat to information security. - Will Spencer will.spen...@gte.net ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant
[Radiant] Index at top of page ??`
Is there some way with Radiant to automatically generate an index of the headings at the top of the page, as we see on so many sites? I realise that I can have a r:children:each * r:link / r:content //p /r:children:each that would pull the sub-pages together and give the appearance of one page, and another loop at the top for the index . ... BUT ... I want to be able to link to the middle of that page from another page. I can see how to link to the child page from a remote page, but not 'into' a page that has been built in this way. ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant
Re: [Radiant] Index at top of page ??`
Sean Cribbs said the following on 03/16/2009 11:39 AM: I don't understand. Do you mean a Table of Contents? Yes, but more than that. I realise my subject isn't quite right but I really don't know how to explain it in one line. Here's the business use-model: While many sites that list presentation and events have the speaker bio/background on the same page as the event, our board has decided that there will be ONE page that has ALL the speakers we have ever had listed, along with whatever else we can get, photos, contact etc. This means that has to be some way to link INTO that page from a remote page, in particular the page with the event on it. Yes, there needs to be a table of contents at the top of the page (which is updated as new speaker details are added), but I can figure that out. The index isn't the killer; referencing INTO the page is. As I said, my current idea is the page-per-speaker model and the r:children:each loop to build the page. This takes care of the browsable single page and the automatic update as new (child) pages get added. I think I can figure a ToC, but suggestions are welcomed. While I can figure the link from the presentation page to a single (child-of...) page for the speaker I can't figure out how to make that a reference INTO the page built by the r:children:each loop. I realise that I can actually have one page where the information is edited in and the ToC is built by hand and has the relevant markers to link to, but it seems a lot of hard work. I though CMSs were supposed to help you get around all that 'do-it-by-hand' stuff. -- The way that can be followed is not the Way The truth that can be told is not the Truth ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant
Re: [Radiant] Index at top of page ??`
Mohit Sindhwani said the following on 03/16/2009 11:50 AM: I think he means anchors! That's a good question - I have no idea how to generate anchors automatically in a Radiant page. I don't think there's a direct way :( Half way there! Not just the anchors but some 'standard' thing so that the anchors can be referenced in a regular and consistent and predictable manner. -- Ignorance is never out of style. It was in fashion yesterday, it is the rage today, and it will set the pace tomorrow. -- Franklin K. ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant
[Radiant] not one of the allowed file types
Here I am with a site that uses paperclipped for asset management and I try uploading a PDF and get the above as an error message. How do I fix that? -- Whenever men take the law into their own hands, the loser is the law. And when the law loses, freedom languishes. -- JFK ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant
Re: [Radiant] Log error with Gallery
MtnBiker said the following on 03/07/2009 04:19 AM: Anton Aylward wrote: No, don't copy it by hand! Do the complete job and use the proper method. Use rake radiant:extensions:gallery:update I ran the rake and still get the same log error: What was the output of running rake? -- Last year I went fishing with Salvador Dali. He was using a dotted line. He caught every other fish. ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant
Re: [Radiant] Log error with Gallery
MtnBiker said the following on 03/06/2009 09:25 PM: AFAIK these two gif's are associated with Gallery and in particular lightbox which Gallery uses. But they are buried here: /vendor/extensions/gallery/public/images/extensions/gallery/lightbox/closelabel.gif Ah, if that's the ONLY place they are then I suspect you have not fully installed the gallery. The rake for it should have copied that to /public/images/extensions/gallery/lightbox/closelabel.gif No, don't copy it by hand! Do the complete job and use the proper method. Use rake radiant:extensions:gallery:update -- The trouble with troubleshooting is that trouble shoots back. ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant
Re: [Radiant] Conditional Tags
Elle Meredith said the following on 03/05/2009 01:54 AM: In most cases, I completely agree with you Mohit :). However, in this case, the layout is exactly the same: one #main column, one #sidebar -- I only want to hide h1 heading on the home page. If you do as I do and build your layouts as a collection of snippets then you can either have a front page layout that differs very slightly or hide the optional heading in a more general and thus reusable snippet. DRY. -- ...Then anyone who leaves behind him a written manual, and likewise anyone who receives it, in the belief that such writing will be clear and certain, must be exceedingly simple-minded... -- Plato, _Phaedrus_ ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant
Re: [Radiant] Speed of Radiant on Dreamhost
MtnBiker said the following on 02/28/2009 09:51 AM: Radiant is slow for me on Dreamhost. Can take up to 3 minutes to load. Never less than one minute if hasn't been loaded a while. A straight HTML page takes seconds. Is this normal or have I done something wrong? Possibly. But I suspect not. I have half a dozen sites Dreamhosted and delays like that were never a problem. I have had them running from sqlite3 rather than mysql, with and without Passenger. I've had other problems but never unacceptable delays. I've different installations of Radiant, with and without embedded Rails. Slow either way. After initial loading, reloading can be in seconds, although slower than HTML. This site will not generally get much use. It seems that once the site has been loaded, it loads faster. If this is shared hosting then you may be fighting a very basic problem with multi-user machines. You've been swapped out and the scheduler has to swap you back in, and all the priority issues that go with that. If you have a virtual machine there is the analogue of that at the virtual layer. Yes, I know tests show yamma yamma, but in reality the dominant thing is that its the first 'wake-up' that is critical. Its an operating system scheduling issue. I don't think it's caching on my machine that's doing it, because it's a small page with one picture. But I'm not an expert, and haven't done any testing getting rid of the cache, etc. The main problem is that if a stranger loads it, they'll likely think something is wrong and give up and that's not acceptable. I'd suggest that you have some kind of CRON-scheduled 'tickler' that does just enough to keep a bit of your process alive and awake but doesn't produce such a heavy load that it impacts others. -- Objects in calendar are closer than they appear. -- Jim Duncan ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant
Re: [Radiant] Upgrade to .07x on Dreamhost?
K H said the following on 02/25/2009 01:20 PM: I have a radiant 0.7.1 site on Dreamhost. I ran into some troubles early on because Passenger would not recognize my local gems. But adding the following line to the top of /config/environment.rb solved the problem for me. ENV['GEM_PATH'] = '/home/your user name/.gems' Hope this helps. No it doesn't. BTDT and it doesn't -- I'm running 0.6.9 on a hosted not virtual machine. I've also confirmed the problem with Dreamhost support. I've also discussed this here before had that suggestion, which is how I know it doesn't work. Unless they've changed something in the last 9 weeks. -- First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. -- Mahatma Gandhi ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant
Re: [Radiant] Upgrade to .07x on Dreamhost?
K H said the following on 02/25/2009 01:20 PM: Hope this helps. My question was about UPGRADING from 0.6.9 to 0.7.1 The Gem thing is incidental. -- A sense of humor is part of the art of leadership, of getting along with people, of getting things done. Dwight D. Eisenhower ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant
[Radiant] Problems with templates_extension
I'm trying to us this with a 0.6.9 base implementation and get lots of errors like `type_column_header' default partial not found!`type_column' default partial not found!`type_column' default partial not found!`type_column' default partial not found!`type_column' default partial not found!`type_column' default partial not found!`type_column' default partial not found!`type_column' default partial not found!`type_column' default partial not found!`type_column' default partial not found!`type_column' default partial not found!`type_column' default partial not found!`type_column' default partial not found!`type_column' default partial not found!`type_column' default partial not found!`type_column' default partial not found!`type_column' default partial not found!`type_column' default partial not found!`type_column' default partial not found!`type_column' default partial not found!`type_column' default partial not found!`type_column' default partial not found!`type_column' default partial not found!`type_column' default partial not found! I suspect I have a 0.7 version of templates. Either ... where can I get a 0.6.9 one or what do I have to do to get it to act like one suitable for a 0.6.9 site? Thanks -- I will not attack your doctrines nor your creeds if they accord liberty to me. If they hold thought to be dangerous - if they aver that doubt is a crime, then I attack them one and all, because they enslave the minds of men. --Robert Ingersoll (The Ghosts) ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant
[Radiant] Include a page
I'm aware of http://github.com/rp8/radiant-include-tag/tree/master that will allow a HTML file to be included, but is there a tag which will include another page or page part without doing a specific seek? What I'd really like is to have a list of events, each on their own page, but a synopsis of the next upcoming one to be displayed on the main page. -- Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it. --Thomas Jefferson, First Inaugural Speech (1801) ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant
Re: [Radiant] So what doesn't work with 0.7?
N. Turnage said the following on 02/09/2009 10:17 PM: Mohit Sindhwani wrote: N. Turnage wrote: Since this question is going to be asked a number of times as people begin to move their sites to v0.7 I thought I would begin the thread. What extensions are known not to work with v0.7? Could we make this a page on the wiki instead? May I request that people who have written extensions and have an explicit tag that works for 0.6.9 and below and a trunk that works on 0.7.0 and later make it known there? This will make my job of working through the content for 0.7.0 easier. If someone needs a template, I can try to create the main page on the wiki for this. That's a great idea, Mohit. I would think the following info should be included: - name of extension (of course) - github project url - latest commit known to be working with 0.6.9 if no tag exists And that Wiki page should have a few lies for those of us who are not git-gurus on how to use - aka download from - one tag or the other. Thanks. A git-diot. ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant
[Radiant] How to make your website really, really fast
http://blogs.zdnet.com/weblife/?p=207tag=nl.e539 Some interesting ideas here, since so many of our sites are interactive. -- The truth of a proposition has nothing to do with its credibility. And vice versa. Excerpt from the notebooks of Lazarus Long, from Robert Heinlein's Time Enough for Love ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant
Re: [Radiant] Which Ba ?
john muhl said the following on 02/03/2009 08:28 PM: http://github.com/aslakhellesoy/ba/network looks like while there are some other forks their either not active or get merged with the aslakhellesoy repository regularly. On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 3:06 PM, Anton Aylward anton.aylw...@rogers.com mailto:anton.aylw...@rogers.com wrote: I'd like to try out the conference/event management system 'Ba' that I see on GitHub. However there are 4 different copies, and one says it will blow away the database on installation! Can someone advise on which to use, please. Sorry to be bottom posting in reply to a top-post reply, but there you are John, could you read over my question again. The aslakhellesoy branch is not an extension. It is a complete installation. The README.textile says to create a new clone and do a complete bootstrap, blowing away all you already have. I don't want to do that. That's why I phrased my question the way I did. There area few other branches. OMA, JHANNES, OC. OC and JHANNES seem to be a clone of the ASLAKHELESOY OMA (Ole Morten Amundsen) seems to be a proper extension as far as the code goes, but the installation instructions haven't changed, which is very confusing. I don't want to blow away my current application. -- I like to believe that people in the long run are going to do more to promote peace than our governments. Indeed, I think that people want peace so much that one of these days governments had better get out of the way and let them have it. Dwight D. Eisenhower ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant
Re: [Radiant] Which Ba ?
Saša Babić said the following on 02/04/2009 09:38 AM: Anton Aylward wrote: I don't want to blow away my current application. I'm curious why do you find blowing it away such a problem? I'm curious as to why someone supplied it as an extension and others didn't, but the one that didn't is the one 'recommended'. Can't you replicate the setup? Just branch* the application (you do use a repository, don't you?), No. Not everyone does or has reason to. clone the database, and you're set. Its more than just cloning the DB It seems like a lot of fiddly work compared to how I've installed other extensions. This attitude - 'hacking' - says something about how 'user friendly' some people think radiant is. Sean, Jim, Chris and others ave all done very nice, easy to install, easy to use, easy to understand, ADDITIVE packages. *sigh* -- Age is a very high price to pay for maturity. ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant
[Radiant] Which Ba ?
I'd like to try out the conference/event management system 'Ba' that I see on GitHub. However there are 4 different copies, and one says it will blow away the database on installation! Can someone advise on which to use, please. -- life, n.: A whim of several billion cells to be you for a while. ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant
Re: [Radiant] Help!! - SQLite3::BusyException (database is locked)
Andreas Roedl said the following on 01/15/2009 12:46 PM: Try to set a timeout in your database.yml as described in the last post of this thread: http://www.ruby-forum.com/topic/138904 Done that. Restarted Passenger ... Still locked. Now it takes about 10 seconds to come back with the 500 page instead of being immediate. How do I unlock it? This is the tail end of the log file: Page Load (0.004572) SELECT * FROM pages WHERE (pages.id = 1) PagePart Load (0.007668) SELECT * FROM page_parts WHERE (page_parts.page_id = 3) ORDER BY id WARNING: Can't mass-assign these protected attributes: id WARNING: Can't mass-assign these protected attributes: id Page Load (0.005181) SELECT * FROM pages WHERE (pages.slug = 'rss' AND pages.parent_id = 1 AND pages.id 3) LIMIT 1 Page Update with optimistic locking (0.006955)UPDATE pages SET keywords = '', created_at = '2007-01-19 03:04:44', event_datetime = NULL, layout_id = 3, created_by_id = 1, virtual = 'f', posi tion = 12, updated_by_id = 2, title = 'RSS ', published_at = '2007-01-18 22:04:44', breadcrumb = 'RSS ', class_name = 'Page', descrip tion = '', parent_id = 1, updated_at = '2009-01-15 18:15:55', status_id = 100, lock_version = 3, slug = 'rss' WHERE id = 3 AND lock_version = 2 SQLite3::BusyException (database is locked): /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/sqlite3-ruby-1.2.1/lib/sqlite3/errors.rb:94:in `check' /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/sqlite3-ruby-1.2.1/lib/sqlite3/resultset.rb:76:in `check' /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/sqlite3-ruby-1.2.1/lib/sqlite3/resultset.rb:68:in `commence' /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/sqlite3-ruby-1.2.1/lib/sqlite3/resultset.rb:61:in `initialize' /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/sqlite3-ruby-1.2.1/lib/sqlite3/statement.rb:163:in `new' /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/sqlite3-ruby-1.2.1/lib/sqlite3/statement.rb:163:in `execute' /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/sqlite3-ruby-1.2.1/lib/sqlite3/database.rb:212:in `execute' /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/sqlite3-ruby-1.2.1/lib/sqlite3/database.rb:187:in `prepare' /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/sqlite3-ruby-1.2.1/lib/sqlite3/database.rb:211:in `execute' /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/sqlite3-ruby-1.2.1/lib/sqlite3/database.rb:611:in `commit' /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/radiant-0.6.9/vendor/rails/activerecord/lib/active_record/connection_adapters/sqlite_adapter.rb:160:in `commit_db _transaction' -- Make up your mind to act decidedly and take the consequences. No good is ever done in this world by hesitation. Thomas H. Huxley ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant
Re: [Radiant] Help!! - SQLite3::BusyException (database is locked)
Sean Cribbs said the following on 01/15/2009 03:27 PM: Do you have a rogue/zombie process that has a lock on the SQLite3 db? I'd say sweep out any mongrel processes (or restart Apache if you're using Passenger) and try again. Its hosted at Dreamhost but I've tried killing everything in my ID except the login shell. NIX -- Life is full of contradictions No it isn't. ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant
Re: [Radiant] Help!! - SQLite3::BusyException (database is locked)
Nate Turnage said the following on 01/15/2009 03:27 PM: Ah, sorry. This begs the question then, is there any kind of way of accessing an SQLite from the terminal to run SQL statements on it? ./scripts/console production a = Page.find(:first) Yup, works. a.save Nope, busyexception message. I can also do $ sqlite3 radiant_live.sqlite.db SQLite version 3.2.1 Enter .help for instructions sqlite What now? -- ...there is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home. Ken Olson, President, Chairman, and Founder of DEC, 1977 ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant
Re: [Radiant] Radiant and IBM DB2
Johannes Fahrenkrug said the following on 01/13/2009 03:39 AM: Hi Anton, Thanks for your reply. The Ruby on rails book - the Pickaxe book - discusses how to use RoR with legacy databases. I'd recommend looking at that. You mean the Agile Web Development with Rails book? In short, the answer is YES, but you need to have some other database to act as a 'shim' of some kind. Could you explain that a bit further? I could copy out the section of the book ... but that gets into copyright violation issues. It may be that the DB2 tables don't have a field id. So how are you going to have ROR access them? You have a 'shim' database that works with id and maps that to the index of the DB2 table. -- Hackers: Self-righteous crackers -- CSO Magazine's The Devil's Infosec Dictionary ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant
Re: [Radiant] Radiant and IBM DB2
Johannes Fahrenkrug said the following on 01/13/2009 08:00 AM: Hi Anton, It may be that the DB2 tables don't have a field id. So how are you going to have ROR access them? You have a 'shim' database that works with id and maps that to the index of the DB2 table. Ok, I see. Yes, the missing id column problem will have to be solved. I think Dr. Nic has written a plugin to support multi-column primary keys. That might be what I'll need. I'd still consult the RoR book and other sources. I seem to recall viewing a podcast about this once but don't recall teh source. -- If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate. ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant
Re: Default Extension Proposal (was - Re: [Radiant] Re: Looking for something similar to summarize...)
Nate Turnage said the following on 01/13/2009 10:01 AM: b) Less tech-savvy developers being able to modify things without necessarily having to create an extension, a task that sounds very demanding and daunting. Sounds like me ;-) What do you think? +1 +256 -- December 32, 1999: We're pleased to report no Y2K failures! ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant
Re: [Radiant] Radiant and IBM DB2
Johannes Fahrenkrug said the following on 01/12/2009 12:08 PM: Hi, I'm new to the list and relatively new to Radiant. I'm evaluating Radiant for a mid-sized customer project. The customer has a legacy DB2 database. Replacing it is not an option for the customer. So my question is: can I use Radiant with DB2? Does anyone have any experience doing this? The Ruby on rails book - the Pickaxe book - discusses how to use RoR with legacy databases. I'd recommend looking at that. In short, the answer is YES, but you need to have some other database to act as a 'shim' of some kind. -- Concern for people and their fate must always form the chief interest of all technical endeavors in order that the creations of our mind shall be a blessing, not a curse, to humanity. Never forget this amidst your diagrams and equations. -- Albert Einstein ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant
Re: [Radiant] Radiant for Bloging - related content
Anton J Aylward said the following on 12/09/2008 07:04 PM: Sean Cribbs said the following on 12/09/2008 06:25 PM: That is a hold-over from Rails 1.x days. The autocomplete stylesheet is really simple (see: http://pastie.org/335402). Removing that dependency would be nice (PDI). OK, so what should I do? Remove the line %= auto_complete_stylesheet % Include the stylesheet as per your example. That line now reads % stylesheet_link_tag(admin/auto_complete) % The UI is #$%^-ing awful! Its unclear and comes down over other buttons. Perhaps I have that link tag done incorrectly. -- We'll give you your money back if not satisfied, but we do suspect that we will be quite satisfied with your money. ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant
Re: [Radiant] Radiant for Blogin
Nate Turnage said the following on 12/04/2008 12:36 PM: On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 11:23 AM, Anton Aylward [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've just returned to a blogging engine to do an upgrade and realised I know and like Radiant more. What does it take to do good blogging in Radiant? Is there a convenient list of what plug-ins are required, templates and so forth? This is one of the things that is very well covered in the Summer Reboot documentation. Seriously, can we just call this the Reboot Wiki or Reboot Documentation or something? The summer is well and truly over. Just a suggestion. Anyway, here is a link to the page: http://wiki.radiantcms.org/Using_Radiant_as_a_Blog That you. That's proven most useful ;-) All we need now is that the template competition include some examples of the fragments of pages snippets and layouts for blogs. Sadly, I see too many such 'competition' that rely purely on the overall looks and not on what it takes to make them work. One can easily - I have - lift one of the free templates (the designs by Andreas Viklund are good examples and I've converted a number to run with Radiant, and find the page_part inheritance a wonderful too that other CMSs blogging engines lack -- http://andreasviklund.com/) and adapt that, but still flounder with the details. Residual blogging questions: * Is there anything like xmlrpc for remote submission? * Is there anything akin to register before commenting? * Is there a way to do comments are now disabled? -- It's not true unless it makes you laugh, but you don't understand until it makes you weep. -- Shea and Wilson, ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant
[Radiant] Radiant for Blogin
I've just returned to a blogging engine to do an upgrade and realised I know and like Radiant more. What does it take to do good blogging in Radiant? Is there a convenient list of what plug-ins are required, templates and so forth? Thanks. -- A little inaccuracy can save tons of explanation. -- Saki ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant
Re: [Radiant] Using Radiant unpacked?
Casper Fabricius said the following on 08/10/08 09:57 AM: Hi Simon, I'd recommend to do a git clone git://github.com/radiant/radiant.git my_radiant_app instead. Remember to create a database.yml file and to create the mysql database on DH. *sigh* I had just got my head around SVN when you guys switched to GIT and using the various repositories via the web isn't as 'obvious' as it was with SVN. I tried the above and wow! But how do I figure out all teh add-ons? More specifically, how do I upgrade a site running a 0.5 release and make it 'updateable' now that we have GIT? I know I'll have to clean out all the .svn* directories and files, but what else? -- ...Then anyone who leaves behind him a written manual, and likewise anyone who receives it, in the belief that such writing will be clear and certain, must be exceedingly simple-minded... -- Plato, _Phaedrus_ ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant
Re: [Radiant] Adminstrator and Developer role clarification
Chris Parrish said the following on 21/06/08 11:51 PM: John, have you ever considered changing the name developer to designer? I think it'd be more clear. Why? A 'developer' is someone who develops content. This is obvious to anyone except a programmer. -- In order to dial out, it is necessary to broaden one's dimension. ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant
Re: [Radiant] Re: Adminstrator and Developer role clarification
Jonathan McCoy said the following on 22/06/08 12:59 PM: Anton Aylward wrote: Chris Parrish said the following on 21/06/08 11:51 PM: A 'developer' is someone who develops content. This is obvious to anyone except a programmer. Huh?? I think it's fairly useful to define the difference between a Content Manager, Designer and Developer - because frankly there's a big difference. Developer = Web Developer = RoR[etc]/DB/XML/XHTML/CSS Designer = Web Designer = HTML/CSS Content Manager = Idiot = Copywriter/Editor Developers open TextMate, Designers open DreamWeaver and Content Managers can't switch on their computer. - Pretty much says it all. Why are you being insulting? The whole point is to have content. Without content a web site is just an academic exercise in programming. -- The quality, not the longevity, of one's life is what is important. --Dr. Martin Luther King Jr ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant
Re: [Radiant] Re: Re: Adminstrator and Developer role clarification
Jonathan McCoy said the following on 22/06/08 02:38 PM: Anton Aylward wrote: The whole point is to have content. Without content a web site is just an academic exercise in programming. That theory is great, when one person designs, builds and manages a site. But as soon as you have more than one person involved in the management of a site, as with any business function, tasks and responsibilities are delegated to the appropriately trained and graded staff. Security, authorization/editorial and responsibility becomes even more important, the larger the team becomes. Role based access has nothing to do with Design Versus Content, but the logical separation of discrete roles. Indeed. That's not the point I'm arguing about. For most businesses the business value of the site is reflected by the content. The infrastructure (and those roles) is essential to the delivery of the content, but without the content - why bother? Calling the people who manage the content, the writers and editors Idiots as you did is insulting, just as insulting as calling people like John Long, Sean Cribbs and Chris parish coding jerks. In fact the case can be made that the content is 'ongoing' whereas code can be 'frozen'. -- Very few profundities can be expressed in less than 80 characters. ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant
Re: [Radiant] Re: Re: Re: Adminstrator and Developer role clarification
Jonathan McCoy said the following on 22/06/08 03:12 PM: Anton Aylward wrote: blah Whatever. Nice argument. Sadly it fell apart shortly after For most businesses The reality is quite different, and I can assure you that the ability to write copy, doesn't provide you with the competence to make design or technical decisions. I never said it did. I wasn't denigrating those roles. Unlike you I wasn't denigrating any roles. All have to play their part. Calling the people involved in content development Idiots as you did is insulting. -- As a goatherd learns his trade by goat, so a writer learns his trade by wrote. ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant
Re: [Radiant] Textile in Radiant
Thomas Watson Steen said the following on 06/06/08 09:05 AM: Well... As the link explains, the 'caps' span is there so that we can style acronyms. This is very strange to me. How come the people who implementet this didn't use the already existing acronym tag in HTML for this? http://www.w3schools.com/tags/tag_acronym.asp Possibly because its not forward compatible: http://www.w3schools.com/tags/html5_acronym.asp -- You've never been lost until you've been lost at Mach 3. -- Paul F Crickmore ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant
Re: [Radiant] Extensions trouble in 0.6.7
Shards in 0.6.7 In my efforts to migrate I found this: http://blog.leetsoft.com/2006/5/29/easy-migration-between-databases But when I tried it I got $ radiant -v Radiant 0.6.7 $ rake production db:backup:write (in /home/anton/Ruby/Radiant) rake aborted! The Shards extension is required and must be loaded first! What's up? -- Education must precede motivation. Jim Rohn ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant
Re: [Radiant] Questions about deployment
Thank you for this, Casper. I'm a Dreamhost customer and and this has cleaned up some 'failed to start' problems I've been having. Its also made deploying some examples I have on my laptop easier since now I can just have Apache deal with them on an as-needed basis instead of having to do a cd ~/Ruby/application; ./script/server each time. However there is one aspect of deploying on Dreamhost that I'd like to ask the group here about, and that is getting the content of the database out there. My first deployment of Radiant on Dreamhost last year I had developed on my laptop using SQlite3. The laptop runs Linux, not Windows. I used a CSS file in the file system (lacking sophistication and understanding of Radiant at that time). I SFTP'd the files, including the database, to the Dreamhost machine but the application wouldn't start. It couldn't open the database. I don't know if this was a word-length, library or version problem. The application content was small enough that I could create a new database on Dreamhost and paste the pages in. Radiant is more sophisticated now. The sites I'm developing use extensions such as attachments, galleries, and of course the brilliant styles_n_scripts. Even before the site content is added there is a lot of the site structure in the database now. And before adding 'real' content I find that I lay out the hierarchy/structure and few pieces of boilerplate like a 'site map', 'About', and content and feedback pages. So I have a very simple problem of how do I get this database that I've developed as a the template or basic site content out to Dreamhost? Reality is that by the time I've worked a bit it is more than just a template, not least of all because the actual CSS and actual logos and and snippets that deal with names etc are in the database too, as well as many place-holders. You know how it goes. I've just spent a very futile week prior to deploying my new web site on Dreamhost trying to convert a Sqlite3 database to a MySQL database on my laptop. I tried this so that I could debug any problems ahead of time. There have been nothing but problems. I have had no success. I started with the import/export extension. It doesn't work. At the very least it only knows about some of the tables. I corresponded with Sean about the problem and tried his suggestions. Zilch. I also searched the web. There are many articles about converting Sqlite3 to MySQL. The ones on the MySQL site are plain wrong! Others admit to things like differencing SQL syntax but their 'fixes' are incomplete. Even after much hand editing of the Sqlite3 .dump file MySQL kept erroring. Some problems I could not find any reason for even though the revised syntax was A-OK according to the MySQL documentation. Chris Dwan posted a tool that allowed copy from one DB to another. http://blog.radixhound.com/2008/4/28/backing-up-radiant-cms-using-sqlite3 I'm going to try this today on my laptop. I'll report on how it goes. However there is still the problem of getting the database running on Dreamhost and getting content into it there. The reason I'm writing about this at length is that I am very surprised that Rails doesn't have tools for all this as part of its baseline. Rails2 has moved to Sqlite3 as its default, and that's fine for development. But I get to wonder if there are going to be more projects that are like Radiant in that the database has a template and structure that is part of the application and needs to be 'portable' as well. Rails really needs something that can do database export/import in a comprehensive and complete manner. Casper Fabricius said the following on 03/06/08 03:17 AM: Hi Nate, I recently updated the guide for deploying Radiant to Dreamhost, another shared host: http://wiki.radiantcms.org/How_To_Deploy_on_Dreamhost I don't know Railsplayground, but assuming you have SSH access you should be able to follow this guide, substituting the steps for creating the website and a database with whatever you do at Railsplayground. Also, my blog entry has examples of rolling two popular extensions into the deployment package: http://casperfabricius.com/blog/2008/05/24/radiant-cms-on-dreamhost-with-phusion-passenger/ -- Expecting life to treat your fairly because you are a good person is like expecting an angry bull not to charge because you are a vegetarian. -- Shari R Barr ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant
