[Wikimedia-l] Innovation

2015-07-10 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
I am glad to hear that Luis Villa's department has been thinking about Innovation. Rather than debate it here, perhaps the team would like to expose some of their work on Meta. However I might just note that it would probably have helped the community to help them if the team had exposed their

[Wikimedia-l] Innovation

2015-07-09 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
The 2015 Call to Action identified the need to Support innovation new knowledge * Integrate, consolidate, and pause or stop stalled initiatives. * Create spaces for future community-led innovations and new knowledge creation. * Facilitate and support new models and structures for

[Wikimedia-l] Board meeting minutes

2016-05-10 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
and deliberate snub. I call on the Board to rectify this situation as a matter of urgency. Rogol Domedonfors [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_Handbook [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_noticeboard#Meetings_in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board meeting minutes

2016-05-11 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
I note that the minutes I requested in my posting yesterday were published two hours later [1] althought not linked from https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Meetings as one would expect, not were they announced on the mailing list. While I am glad that this has finally happened, it is deplorable

[Wikimedia-l] Crisis of Confidence

2016-05-01 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
It seems that the engagement between the Board and the Community has broken down, to the point that there may be a crisis of confidence developing. Perhaps members of this list would care to express their views at

Re: [Wikimedia-l] "Delegation of policy-making authority" resolution

2017-02-01 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
The ostensible rationale for this change, according to the Board chair was "Basically it's making the legal team life's easier when they need to do small and/or quick changes. They don't have to go through the whole resolution process to change a comma." The new donor privacy policy has been

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Politics

2017-02-03 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Perhaps the issue has something to do with whether donors expected their money to be spent on publicising a political stance. One "privilege" I see here is the privilege of being able to spend other peoples' money in ways they did not expect and, possibly, do not support, without recourse. On

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Publicpolicy] news events impacting the Foundation's ability to hire and its employees' ability to travel

2017-01-31 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
James I think this is a very interesting point. Why is the WMF so dependent on being able to hire staff in one location? I seem to recall suggesting some time ago that they should diversify their location globally in the inerests of innovation and efficiency. It would have done them good to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] news events impacting the Foundation's ability to hire and its employees' ability to travel

2017-01-31 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
James > Why are proposals to abandon the US being given more consideration than > those to address the underlying issues? > Because this mailing list is for discussions about the Wikimedia mission, Foundation and projects; not for the general discussion of the national politics of the United

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [discovery] Interactive Team putting work on pause

2017-02-05 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Anna, > As you may have noticed, threaded discussions become difficult for me to > visually navigate after a while. Thus, the color. > Sorry, colour doesn't come through on the mailing list. > Call me naive, but I’m excited by the prospect of the movement strategy >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] "Delegation of policy-making authority" resolution

2017-02-06 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Christophe On 20 December, you wrote > Basically it's making the legal team life's easier when they need to do > small and/or quick changes. They don't have to go through the whole > resolution process to change a comma. > > Now you write > the Executive Director > has authority to set and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcing the Foundation's challenge to recent U.S. immigration executive order

2017-02-06 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Michelle Would you let us know how much of the donors' money will be spent on this legal brief, either directly or in the costs of staff time, please? It would also be of interest to know why you felt that the input of the WMF to this brief was essential given that there are 90 other

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Chapter De-Recognition: Wikimedia Hong Kong

2017-02-08 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
I am glad to see that the WMF is being rigorous in ensuring that the donors' money is being spent effectively and accountably by the affiliated organisations. Of course one does not expect a detailed narrative when the WMF deems it necessary to take action in this way since named individuals are

Re: [Wikimedia-l] don't run away from the mess we've made, fix it (Re: Concerns in general)

2017-01-27 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Anna I propose to challenge your comments "t’s not even about whose at fault anymore, because we all are. When I talk to people across the movement, they're all pretty clear that someone other than themselves is the responsible party" There is a difference between fault, responsibility and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [discovery] Interactive Team putting work on pause

2017-01-28 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
the community. > What community? > Thanks, > GerardM > > Op za 28 jan. 2017 om 18:27 schreef Rogol Domedonfors < > domedonf...@gmail.com > > > > > Anna > > > > > > > To be clear, I’m engaged in understanding your perspectiv

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [discovery] Interactive Team putting work on pause

2017-01-28 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Gerard, > What I explicitly say is that when the whole of the community is seen as > the community of en.wp then I truly think there is something fundamentally > wrong with the notions pandered. I agree, and the more readily since I do not think, and have not said, that the English-language

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [discovery] Interactive Team putting work on pause

2017-01-28 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
ou be willing to generalize in categories: a > > spectrum of the least productive forms of engagement between the > > communities and WMF to the most productive forms of engagement? > > > > "But doing planning better is a lesson for management to learn, not for > the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Should the Foundation take a position on a general strike?

2017-01-29 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
James, Is there any special relevance to the mission of the Foundation here, or this is simply an attempt to use the resources of the Foundation to gain publicity for a political cause that you personally favour? "Rogol" On Sun, Jan 29, 2017 at 5:41 PM, James Salsman

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Should the Foundation take a position on a general strike?

2017-01-29 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
James There has always been control of travel into the United States. I have had a colleague arrested at the airport and deported for the "crime" of admitting that she expected to be paid by a university for a lecture she had been invited to give. That was a clear interference with the free

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [discovery] Interactive Team putting work on pause

2017-01-26 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
I am surprised by the notion that WMF middle management is in some way answerable to the Community. I would have thought that was the least productive form of engagement between the two sides. The issue is what, if anything, will happen to the tools that the contributors want and need to carry

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [discovery] Interactive Team putting work on pause

2017-01-27 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
f the fence, but I can't disagree with your > statement. > > /a > > On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 2:30 PM, Rogol Domedonfors <domedonf...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > I am surprised by the notion that WMF middle management is in some way > > answerable to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Draft Code of Conduct for Technical Spaces

2017-02-24 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Pine When I last spent some time looking at the proposal, I too felt that the > contributions indicated that the policy had far too little community > influence. *However*, if you'll entertain a hypothetical with me for a > moment, let's suppose that the status quo continues and there is >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] proposal for regular surveys of community opinion

2017-02-25 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
An interesting idea, and if it reduces the survey load on the community that would be good. But one should never survey for the sake of it. Any proposed survey question should be able to meet the test "What will you do with the answer to this question?" In my experience, the response to that is

[Wikimedia-l] Draft Code of Conduct for Technical Spaces

2017-02-21 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
This code has been under discussion at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Code_of_Conduct/Draft since the summer of 2015, and is finally nearing completion. The original consensus in 2015 had been that the completed code would be submitted to the community for ratification and adoption.

[Wikimedia-l] Diversity and EEO-1

2017-02-21 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
The BBC reports http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-39035512 on a controversy involvig Uber and its diversity policies. *Until now, Uber had been standing firm on not publishing its diversity figures. Most major technology companies make public their EEO-1 - a government filing that breaks

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Draft Code of Conduct for Technical Spaces

2017-02-22 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 3:46 AM, Matthew Flaschen wrote: > However, both volunteers and staff participants have joined the CoC > process. Matthew is too modest – the discussions has been managed by staff since late 2015, almost all of the contributions to the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [discovery] Interactive Team putting work on pause

2017-02-11 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Anna, > Sometimes I wonder if hope isn’t at the base of it all. Perhaps hope is > necessary but certainly not sufficient for it all to transpire. Hope is not > a strategy. But maybe it's a foundation. > Certainly, but there is an old saying about "the triumph of hope over experience". The

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [discovery] Interactive Team putting work on pause

2017-02-11 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
il. > > > > When you use a proverb, it is dandy but by the same token, I am not a > > collaborator because that would-be make me a Nazi (that is my cultural > > heritage). > > > > My question to you is plain. Are you willing to argue your case as I am > > wi

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Niels Christian Nielsen appointed to Wikimedia Endowment Advisory Board

2017-02-14 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
My understanding is that the signficant mention in independent reliable sources is what is required to write an encyclopaedia article about something. Passing mention in reliable sources such as peer-reviewed academic journals establishes that something exists. Passing mention in news sources

Re: [Wikimedia-l] community survey request

2017-02-14 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Nathan, These are indeed excellent questions which should be asked before starting any survey. I wish I could be confident that it is universal practice for the Foundation to undertake this exercise before each of the rather numerous surveys they make of the community, and always able to view,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [discovery] Interactive Team putting work on pause

2017-02-12 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
not laughing at your name. What I found funny was that people had a > series of pronunciations that were different and yet they were all sure > that they were correct. > I am not at all bothered but thank you for your consideration. "Rogol" On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 7:46 PM, Anna

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Moderation notice

2017-02-13 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
There are words in other languages that have a rude, upleasant, disrespectful or pejorative meaning in British English. For an amusing list of examples, see the Oxford Dictionary blog at http://blog.oxforddictionaries.com/2016/02/words-that-sound-rude/ I presume that I'm entitled to be complain

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF advanced permissions for employees

2017-02-16 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Pine > * Thank you for trying to get and maintain a public list of WMF accounts > with special permissions. I think that this is helpful for the community to > know. I also think that WMF should actively maintain the list of WMF > accounts with special permissions, and the reasons for granting

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Foundation official response re Daily Mail issue

2017-02-09 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
David Thanks for that. I think the point might have been strengthened by pointing out that the English-language Wikipedia standards for reliability are so high, that its editors do not even consider Wikipedia itself to be a reliable source! "Rogol" On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 3:36 PM, David Gerard

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF advanced permissions for employees

2017-02-16 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
> > This is correct, all global bans (after a complaint has been made) go > through: > > >- Investigation by Support & Safety team member --> >- Review and Recommendation by the Manager of Trust & Safety (myself) >--> >- Approval by the Director of Support & Safety and the Chief of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Where is WMF with pursuing companies that offer paid editing services

2017-01-19 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Perhaps the WMF should drive the paid editing companied out of business by competition? They could try setting up a subsidiary trading company to carry out paid editing in a professional and legally compliant manner. I am sure this could be popular with the community as a way of getting a return

[Wikimedia-l] Is the Code of Conduct in force?

2017-03-01 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Matt Flaschen has declared the final amendment to the code of conduct for Wikimedia technical spaces approved and although he has not said so explicitly, I assume that his current position is that it is now in force. Even asuming that is correct, and previous consensus was against that, andI there

Re: [Wikimedia-l] More politics: "WMF Annual Report"

2017-03-01 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Pine, Recall that the Foundation have rewritten their values to include "we seek to continually improve ourselves, our projects, our communities, our world.", see https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Values/2016_discussion/Synthesis The previous version

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Draft Code of Conduct for Technical Spaces

2017-02-26 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Perhaps this need for use cases was addressed in the "report" which the staff commissioned from consultants over a year ago but which was never shared with the community at large – assuming that it was ever produced. "Rogol" On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 7:22 PM, Isarra Yos

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Draft Code of Conduct for Technical Spaces

2017-02-26 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
I don't think the WMF is "trying to exempt itself from its own creation", it is simpy giving its own staff a privileged position within it. Anyone who makes a complaint against a member of staff will have the privacy of their complaint breached by having details sent to the WMF with its millions

[Wikimedia-l] Thinking outside the box

2016-09-05 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
end itself to a WMF/Silicon Valley view of the world. I urge those responsbile for selection of these important and influential groups to challenge themselves to look more widely and occasionally choose the uncomfortable option. "Rogol Domedonfors" ___

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thinking outside the box

2016-09-06 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
I think Pine's message rather illustrates my point. Pine seems to assume that the alternative is between people experienced in the WMF ways of doing things and novices. Actually, there are plenty of people in the world with experience in being trustees of non-proft organisations, and technical

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thoughts about upcoming Wikimedia strategy

2016-09-17 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
As a follow-up to my posting yesterday, I have received a response from WMF staff at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/2016-2017 which states "We know that a common challenge for strategy and vision development work is that people everywhere have a tendency to frame their thinking through

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thoughts about upcoming Wikimedia strategy

2016-09-16 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
The page at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/2016-2017 makes it clear that there are two stages to the strategy consultation being planned by the WMF: up to December the work is to define the process; from January the work is to execute that process. It has been a matter of some

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Changes to current chapter and thematic organisation criteria

2016-08-24 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
undation_Board_noticeboard/Archives/2016#Deep_strategy]. Exactly how and where will this engagement take place? Perhaps https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Strategy_Alpha might be a place to plan the mechanisms for that engagement? "Rogol Domedonfors" __

[Wikimedia-l] Respect and good faith

2016-11-08 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Some recent posts here have provoked what seem to me to be unmerited rebukes from members of WMF staff and board. In one case comments to the effect that a Board member's new job might lead to a conflict of interest led to a rebuke from the Board's chair "I’m really sad to witness the tone of

[Wikimedia-l] Open letter to the new CTO

2016-11-08 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Dear Dr Coleman Congratulations on your appointment. May I offer some suggestions for things you might like to pay attention to now tas you embark on your new job. I suggest that engagement with the volunteer community, especially at a strategic and early stage in your decision making will be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Personal Update

2016-11-06 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Chris Keating wrote: "Fortunately the Board isn't required to consider whether hypothetically infuture some other organisation's interests might conflict with the Foundation's: only whether in practice they do." This is not correct: one of the functions of the Board is to assess the risks to the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Personal Update

2016-11-04 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Sam, Thanks you for your views. Referring to the possible conflicts between Wikimedia and Quora, you say that "there is almost no current overlap between the organizations' main projects". Whether or not this is true right now, it is entirely possible that it may not be true in future, and I

[Wikimedia-l] Wikimania strategic review

2016-10-18 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Ellie Young refers to a strategic review of Wikimania. It would be valuable to know how the community at large, and especially the 99% of content contributors or the 99.% of readers (all figures estimated) who do not currently go to such events, will be involved. Will there be any engagement

Re: [Wikimedia-l] (no subject)

2016-11-14 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Dear Dariusz I quite understand that some members of the Board feel that there are more important calls on their collective time and resources than engaging directly with individual members of the community, even though some do feel that they may be able to as individuals. I note that you feel

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Agenda for the November 13, 2016 Board Meeting

2016-11-13 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Christophe, Thank you for explaining that there were two meetings involved. I welcome the assurance that the agenda will be published earlier in future. "Rogol" ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at:

[Wikimedia-l] (no subject)

2016-11-13 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Jimmy Wales wrote: "it is possible and welcomed to bring forward issues to board members at any time". It would be most helpful to know where and how the Board in general would welcome such issues being raised and how much resource they will have to sustain those discussions. Attempting to raise

Re: [Wikimedia-l] (no subject) - was Agenda for the November 13, 2016 Board Meeting

2016-11-13 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Jimmy You seem anxious to deflect my question by making an unfounded accusation of distortion. The plain meaning of the posting I quoted was that Board members had no more time to devote to engagement with community members than they were currently allocating, and you clearly have read the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Personal Update

2016-11-02 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Congratuations to Kelly Battles on her new job at Quora. I believe I'm correct in saying that this is a company whose business is to make a profit by pursuing its "mission is to share and grow the world’s knowledge". Surely that means that in general the more and better the Wikimedia projects

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Personal Update

2016-11-04 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Christophe writes "suggesting a Board member should resign and at the same time saying the process was properly followed, is not ok". I am not sure exactly what he means to convey by this, but I am not aware that anyone posting to this thread has said anything that can be described in this way.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Keeping historical documents related to Wikimedia

2017-01-13 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
nswers and where would satisfactory answers lead us to? My problem > with the WMF and its community that is that it is stuck too much in things > we could improve upon. I am actively engaged in getting towards a vision > that I share in mailing lists and on my blog. > > What is your vis

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Keeping historical documents related to Wikimedia

2017-01-13 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
the issues as we know them. > > Seriously better quality to Wikipedia requires a small change that nobody > needs to see, that people can opt in to and the people that do will improve > the quality in all Wikipedias. Again, I challenge anyone to show where my > arguments fail reality. &g

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Exciting update about development of structured data on Commons

2017-01-10 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
s > [3] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Product > [4] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data/Overview > > > On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 11:01 AM, Rogol Domedonfors <domedonf...@gmail.com > > > wrote: > > > Thanks to both Lydia and Denny for

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Exciting update about development of structured data on Commons

2017-01-11 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
e implemented? Or, to put it in other words, what input would you > give or expect if a document like you are requesting would exist? > > Best Rupert > > > > On Jan 10, 2017 11:28 PM, "Rogol Domedonfors" <domedonf...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Dear Wes

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Keeping historical documents related to Wikimedia

2017-01-12 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Fæ, Surely no grant-giving body would even talk to the Foundation if it could not show them a plan for the medium to long term. For some reason, the Foundation is consistently unwilling to share this plan with the Community (its biggest donor in terms both of money and surplus value). I wonder

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Exciting update about development of structured data on Commons

2017-01-10 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
including > links to previous documents. > > Cheers, > Denny > > > On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 9:32 AM Rogol Domedonfors <domedonf...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Lisa > > > > You say that "Structured Data on Commons was in our product roadmap, so >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Exciting update about development of structured data on Commons

2017-01-10 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
ing of the roadmap for Commons and other Wikimedia > products, but for a singular Foundation-written document that fixes the > Wikimedia product roadmap over several years instead? > > Cheers, > Denny > > > On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 10:00 AM Rogol Domedonfors <domedonf...@gmail

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF and the Ladder of Citizen Participation

2016-12-30 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
rewards, while effective project managers are likely to > remain invisible. > > Thanks for your email, I rarely reply to your stuff on-list or on-wiki, > but I appreciate your critical thoughts. > > Fae > > On 29 Dec 2016 22:15, "Rogol Domedonfors" <domedonf..

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF and the Ladder of Citizen Participation

2016-12-31 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Sorry, typo: the CAAs serve an average of about 16,000 people a year: see http://www.communityactionpartnership.com/index.php?option=com_content=view=21=50 "Rogol" On Sat, Dec 31, 2016 at 7:46 AM, Rogol Domedonfors <domedonf...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Rogol, there a

[Wikimedia-l] WMF and the Ladder of Citizen Participation

2016-12-29 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
I was reading Sherry Arnstein's 1969 paper "A Ladder of Citizen Participation" (JAIP, Vol. 35, No. 4, July 1969, pp. 216-224) available at http://lithgow-schmidt.dk/sherry-arnstein/ladder-of-citizen-participation.html or at http://dx.doi.org/10.1080/01944366908977225 and found it remarkably

Re: [Wikimedia-l] more reasons to extend the Fundraiser

2017-01-02 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Considering that the income of the Foundation is attributable to the voluntary work of the Community, perhaps some of the potential $2.5M projects could return some of the benefit more tangibly. Let me suggest 1. Fully-paid bursaies to Wikimania 2017 for one person from each of the 250 largest

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Statement by Wikimedia Board on Healthy Community Culture, Inclusivity, and Safe Spaces

2016-12-23 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
The statement by the Board that "The Board is committed to making our communities safer" is very welcome. Perhaps the Board will turn its attention to the process for developing the *Code of conduct for Wikimedia technical spaces* which has been under discussion in draft form at [

Re: [Wikimedia-l] "Delegation of policy-making authority" resolution

2016-12-22 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
o they believe this is a good idea in general, or compatible with their commitment to transparency in particular? Rogol Domedonfors ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: Wikimedia-l@

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Status of the Code of Conduct for technical spaces

2017-03-19 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
"Jethro" On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 8:15 PM, you wrote: > Well, folks are free to ignore invitations to comment; there are indeed a > lot of discussion notices for various matters, so I don't blame them if > they world rather volunteer their time in other places. > > But they cannot then also

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation Board Recruitment Kick-Off: Changes to the Timeline

2017-03-18 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Christophe Thanks for that. You write we are actively working on trying to reduce > the mandatory time board members have to allocate to WMF. Goal is between > this year and next year to lower it down to what we benchmarked as average > (and I can't find the number again, I'll dig into that).

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation supports legal challenge to new travel-related executive order

2017-03-16 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Michelle On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 4:11 PM, you wrote: > [...] > > The Wikimedia Foundation continuously monitors events around the world that > may impact the Foundation’s ability to support the projects and > communities. When that capacity is threatened, as in the case of these > travel

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation Board Recruitment Kick-Off: Changes to the Timeline

2017-03-18 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Pine, By the same argument, then, the Foundation should be compensating the unpaid volunteers who actually create the content of the projects, and supporting them with the tools and resources they need to do that work. "Rogol" On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 2:52 AM, Pine W wrote:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Using non-free elements vs our values (Apple Maps vs Wikipedia iOS app)

2017-03-21 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Dan, On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 6:24 PM, you wrote: > > Please do not twist my words. I said technical considerations are relevant, > not that customer needs do not come first. If something is incredibly > difficult to do, that is factored in to prioritisation, alongside the size > of the audience

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Updates regarding the Wikimedia Foundation Elections Committee

2017-04-09 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Adrian On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 10:08 AM, you wrote: > [...] your usual > MO of presenting ideas that only you care about is, yet again, unhelpful > here. > This is both aggressive and fallacious. At least one other person cared enough about this issue to post a polite, thoughtful and reasoned

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Updates regarding the Wikimedia Foundation Election Committee

2017-04-09 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Jonathan, Thanks, but I think this is a Board issue, and that the Board Governance Committee should be invited to consider it. However, as I'm sure you are well aware, real names are required in a wide variety of contexts. It is the extent to which they are made public that differs. "Rogol"

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Updates regarding the Wikimedia Foundation Elections Committee

2017-04-09 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
t_for_nonpublic_ > information > > Best regards, > antanana / Nataliia Tymkiv > > *NOTICE: You may have received this message outside of your normal working > hours/days, as I usually can work more as a volunteer during weekend. You > should not feel obligated to answer it

Re: [Wikimedia-l] "News Integrity Initiative" at CUNY

2017-04-08 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
On a related note, the Foundation Blog https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/04/07/misinfocon-fake-news/ proudly announces that "the Wikimedia Foundation joined a handful of media organization at the MIT Media Lab to lend their expertise at MisInfoCon". That's certainly good to hear, but a little short

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2017 versus movement strategy

2017-04-08 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 1:29 PM, Yaroslav Blanter wrote: > [...] On the Russian Wikivoyage, all of our active partipants produced > a document, to be told by the facilitator that this is not what WMF wants > to see. > This does not strike me as a description of what a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Updates regarding the Wikimedia Foundation Elections Committee

2017-04-08 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Nataliiya, Thank you for that information. It seems that you are happy to introduce the new members of this Committee to the community under pseudonyms. I suggested at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Foundation_elections_committee back in July 2016 that, considering that this

Re: [Wikimedia-l] More politics: "WMF Annual Report"

2017-03-03 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Anna, On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 7:46 AM, you wrote: > [...] > And I'm struggling with a process problem (not one of substance) that I > don't know how to solve. I truly don't. And it's kind of killing me. > > We (people who work and volunteer at the WMF) need a way to get feedback. > We need a way

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the Code of Conduct in force?

2017-03-02 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
ly on the relevant talk page. > > I'm well aware of the challenges with the TCoC, but let's not make it more > difficult than it is already, OK? > > Pine > > > On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 11:31 PM, Rogol Domedonfors <domedonf...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the Code of Conduct in force?

2017-03-02 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
> > On 2 March 2017 at 17:16, Rogol Domedonfors <domedonf...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I'm not asking Matt. I'm asking the Community – here, now, on this very > > list. > > > > "Rogol" > > > > On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 7:44 AM, Pine W <w

Re: [Wikimedia-l] More politics: "WMF Annual Report"

2017-03-04 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Pine We were asked for help. I posted a message asking how we could help in this process. We got a reply saying the process "already took place". I interpret that as meaning that our help is not needed after all. Perhaps you read it differently. I don't think that makes my response, or yours

Re: [Wikimedia-l] More politics: "WMF Annual Report"

2017-03-03 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
ges in good faith. > > Have a lovely weekend. I really need a break. > Warmly, > /a > > On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 10:10 AM, Rogol Domedonfors <domedonf...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Anna, > > > > On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 7:46 AM, you wrote: > > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] More politics: "WMF Annual Report"

2017-03-04 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Anna Thanks. "Rogol" On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 6:15 PM, Anna Stillwell <astillw...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > Hey Rogol, > I think Zach's email (above / March 2nd) describes the changes. > /a > > On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 11:35 PM, Rogol Domedonfors <domedonf

Re: [Wikimedia-l] More politics: "WMF Annual Report"

2017-03-08 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
l/2017- > March/086699.html > > [2] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T151798 > > [3] https://annual.wikimedia.org/2016/consider-the-facts.html > > [4] http://www.e-unwto.org/doi/pdf/10.18111/9789284418145 > > > > On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 11:47 PM, James Salsman

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Using non-free elements vs our values (Apple Maps vs Wikipedia iOS app)

2017-03-11 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
I am surprised that this discussion would be held now, *after* the work has been done. Was it really not possible to plan ahead and have this discussion before doing work that might turn out to be wasted? Was it really so hard to predict this difficulty? Who was in charge? "Rogol" On Sat, Mar

Re: [Wikimedia-l] dmoz.org

2017-03-12 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
I wonder if there's a lesson for other knowledge projects here ... "Rogol" On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 8:03 AM, carl hansen wrote: > I see dmoz.org is going offline in few days after a couple decades. It is > a > community-written project. Will it be absorbed into

Re: [Wikimedia-l] dmoz.org

2017-03-12 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
It might be as well to understand why ODP folded and whether there is likely to be volunteer effort available for its continuation before spending time effort and money on reconstituting it as a WMF project. "Rogol" On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 2:56 PM, James Heilman wrote: > IMO

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the Code of Conduct in force?

2017-03-04 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
s the relevant Community is here now on this very list, > > which is an extremely questionable assumption. As has been noted ad > > nauseam already. At this point this thread appears hard to distinguish > > from forum shopping. > > > > On 2 March 2017 at 1

Re: [Wikimedia-l] a second commons, prevent cease and desist business

2017-03-04 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
James, that's very helpful and I see at least one book on that list that violates the licence, and hence breaches my copyright, in content that I wrote. What's the best way forward? Should the WMF represent the community by engaging directly with the company responsible? Or should it

Re: [Wikimedia-l] March 2: Update on Wikimedia movement strategy process (#9)

2017-03-05 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Katherine At some point it would be interesting to learn how the external consultants were selected. I note, for example, that Lake Associates describes itself as working "side by side with our clients on developing communications and paid media, targeting supporters, and honing the messages

Re: [Wikimedia-l] a second commons, prevent cease and desist business

2017-03-05 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
eement. :( > > Regards, > > Yann > > > 2017-03-05 15:30 GMT+01:00 James Heilman <jmh...@gmail.com>: > > > Am looking into options. Am going to be discussing things with a lawyer. > > Might be good to have a number of Wikipedians involved and will ask him. > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the Code of Conduct in force?

2017-03-05 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Pine, On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 11:45 PM, you wrote: > [...] > > The way that you phrase your questions sometimes comes across to me as > having an edge than is more confrontational than I think is necessary, and > I am finding the tone to be a distraction from what is, I think, our mutual > goal

Re: [Wikimedia-l] More politics: "WMF Annual Report"

2017-03-02 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Perhaps we could refer this question to the Advancement department. Does appealing for money for one thing and spending it on another damage the Foundation's ability to raise funds in the future? On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 7:13 PM, James Salsman wrote: > > politics damages our

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Draft Code of Conduct for Technical Spaces

2017-02-28 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
So is there a Community RFC or not? If so, where? "Rogol" On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 8:59 PM, Pine W wrote: > As I'm looking at that talk page, I see a situation which looks like no one > will "win", which is the opposite of how I would like discussions about > policy to go

Re: [Wikimedia-l] More politics: "WMF Annual Report"

2017-03-01 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
It seems to be in line with the new Values statement: "we seek to continually improve ourselves, our projects, our communities, our world". Of course that's political. "Rogol" On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 8:15 PM, Lodewijk wrote: > I didn't see the banner, but the page

Re: [Wikimedia-l] More politics: "WMF Annual Report"

2017-03-07 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
James On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 7:10 AM, you wrote: > > Do you think remaining politically neutral is compatible with > remaining accurate? > I would say yes. Let me put two converse questions to you. Do you believe truth and accuracy are to be found only at one ppint on the spectrum of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Core content policy

2017-08-03 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Is it wise for the Foundation to be seen to controlling content in this way? Would that not jeopardise their legal immunity? "Rogol" On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 7:42 AM, Sam Wilson wrote: > On Thu, 3 Aug 2017, at 06:53 AM, Keegan Peterzell wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at

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