Re: [FRIAM] rip Dennett

ough that we can harvest what we want, cafeteria style, and leave the rest to disappear into the amnesiac void. We neither need nor want a *complete* understanding of anyone or any thing. On 4/24/24 20:26, Steve Smith wrote: I am lead by Glen's response to think of Orson Scott Card's "

Re: [FRIAM] rip Dennett

I am lead by Glen's response to think of Orson Scott Card's "Speaker for the Dead" In Orson Scott Card's "Speaker for the Dead," the main and titular theme revolves around understanding and compassion through the truthful telling of

Re: [FRIAM] How the mind works

I don't know about the rest of you but mine is more like a Pachinko Machine... So is the human mind similar to Quantum Mechnics or does it resemble a nuclear reactor? -J. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40038352 [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamiltonian_(quantum_mechanics)

Re: [FRIAM] Comparing negative numbers

articulate in natural language (as talking to George who is full of shit) your more full model of what this (in)stability between cats involving steps and food (and yourself?)?   Assume a 1-D arrangement (up/down stairs) like physicists assume spherical cows? - Steve On Fri, Apr 12, 2024 at 12:00

Re: [FRIAM] A hundred words for swindle

snow, what of ancient Mediterranean cultures maybe having none for "blue" (because it is so ubiquitous as to be invisible)?  Or 99 names of God (Allah version)? On 3/31/24 12:40, Steve Smith wrote:     ... even the less savory ( to my pinko-liberal palate) of the high bench (Thomas/A

Re: [FRIAM] A hundred words for swindle

DC (even if he is a Judge not Exec or Legislator)? He managed a very positive tone/affect resisting Welker in spite of her pressing him hard on many things we all might want to hear his opinion on. - SASfrass On 3/31/24 12:42 PM, Steve Smith wrote: /Sucker born every minute?/ /Fool me

Re: [FRIAM] A hundred words for swindle

/Sucker born every minute?/ /Fool me twice, shame on me? / Talking with John Zingale at Friam about conniving chatbots, I remembered this essay from 2009, https://elf.org/etc/swindle.html, which starts from real estate speculators in early US history and gets to the deplorable state of the

Re: [FRIAM] death by ubiquity

REC sed: but the "dark side" of the moon is sunlit for half of every month? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowpiercer On Thu, Mar 28, 2024 at 11:33 AM glen wrote: Bandwidth might be a problem. But the dark side of the moon seems like an option ... assuming you can negotiate with

Re: [FRIAM] Check this out – Frank Wimberly wearing cowboy gear - Image Creator from Microsoft Designer

Generative AI Fail Frank Wimberly wearing cowboy gear - Image Creator from Microsoft Designer https://www.bing.com/images/create/frank-wimberly-wearing-cowboy-gear/1-6605a819dcb347688e82f0733270bae3?FORM=GENCRE 1. Wimberly Unchained! 2. Frank Longmire? 3. Wimberly Down Under... 4. McWimberly

Re: [FRIAM] death by ubiquity

he power-flux from the star/system and transforming it into computation/information and low-grade heat I'm sure someone (Niven, Vinge, Clarke, Asimov, Dyson, Sagan/SETI ???) has done the calculations to guess what spectrum to be looking in for such signatures? Mumble, - Steve On 3/28/24 11:17 AM, Mar

Re: [FRIAM] the inequities of uniquity

n wrong; they're nonsense. "Unusual" implies a usual. And a usual implies a perspective ... a mechanism of action for your sampling technique. So "unusual" presents even more of a linguistic *burden* than "unique". >> >>

[FRIAM] the inequities of uniquity

a relative/spectral/subjective qualifier. 2. Many people like Frank and myself (half the time) will have an allergic reaction to this usage. 3. The common (mis)usage might be attributable to conflating "unique" with "distinct"? - Steve -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .

Re: [FRIAM] Sleep trackers

ly stayed up late or got up early.   I know this doesn't apply to you directly (nor to me today) but I felt it validated the idea of biphasic sleep cycles. In any case, best wishes with your sleep endeavors! - Steve On 3/20/24 8:47 AM, Alexander Rasmus wrote: Nick, If you look around in goog

Re: [FRIAM] Biospheres

ht-wingers (or gun nuts if there is a difference that makes a difference?) howl to "lock him up" while howling that nobody-nowhere should anytime-anywhere be prosecuted or even looked at askance at for "popping a cap" in anyone in the "wrong-place/wrong-time" On 3/1/2

Re: [FRIAM] Biospheres

I think you're thinking of Flynn's brother, Morris  ;-p I see what you did there... (not) Errol Flynn but (not) Morris Flynn either => Errol Morris -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group

Re: [FRIAM] Biospheres

pared to how they were crucified by the press and later "screwed" by Steve Bannon brought in by Ed Bass to make it more commercial. Note the great Howard Odum's point on the Wikipedia you linked: " There was controversy when the public learned that the project had allowed an i

Re: [FRIAM] Biospheres

that time?  Has a contact there? For more background: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biosphere_2... for morbid entertainment, note that *Steve Bannon* (yes that one) was instrumental in the second attempt (and rapid crash) made there to force the concept to work in spite of itself. The

Re: [FRIAM] Biospheres

J - Thanks for this prompt.  I recently tripped over: https://www.nasa.gov/news-release/martians-wanted-nasa-opens-call-for-simulated-yearlong-mars-mission/ and was reminded of my maunderings when Musk first stated his aspirations for Mars colonization acutely or eloquently enough to

Re: [FRIAM] The lies of Trump and ecDNA

core.   I'm wondering if the social media reports by El Chapo's daughter in Scotland represent her scouting his property there for a "hostile takeover" by the cartels? We do live in interesting times... I'm gonna go back to carving a bump-stock for my rubber-band gun... - Steve On 2/29/

[FRIAM] Generative AI Images and 'stylization'

glen wrote: I'm fond of eyeball attempts to determine whether images are from generative AI. Your 1st one definitely looks like it. The 2nd one, I can't tell. (It's cheating to look at the alt description or the filename.) I'm far from an expert but I have spent a bit of time generating

Re: [FRIAM] Policy Modeling

an get, and most of us could care less until the bucket of gold-goo-excrement lands in our neighborhood or the gold-goo pseudopod feeding our investments dries up. On 1/28/24 16:55, Frank Wimberly wrote: One of my father-in-law's best friends was a man named Eli Shapiro who was the Al

Re: [FRIAM] Honeymoon over!

agnose and correct errors.  More generally, LLMs cannot formulate, apply, or correct strategies or heuristics. In short, LLMs are not a step away from Artificial General Intelligence. A pdf of the full abstract is attached. _ _ __-- Russ On Sun, Jan 28,

Re: [FRIAM] Slow AI

>Though these were all experienced and confident men, the average year to year correlation in their results was 0.01.  The highly rewarded experts of finance have no real idea what they're doing, they are highly rewarded for an "illusion of skill"< One of my father-in-law's best friends was

Re: [FRIAM] Slow AI

f collateralized debt instruments. -- rec -- On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 11:03 AM Steve Smith wrote: https://doctorow.medium.com/solar-is-a-market-for-financial-lemons-ea00699fe0a2 <https://doctorow.medium.com/solar-is-a-market-for-financial-lemons-ea00699fe

Re: [FRIAM] Bad news about the climate

On 1/27/24 10:25 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: People are rightly livid with the gas and electric utilities here in California, but the state is doing better than other states on renewables.  More than half the grid is solar during the day.  Large installations of batteries are in use and

Re: [FRIAM] Bad news about the climate

I love me a good dose of Sabine... her flat-delivery of equally serious and glib lines is killer IMO... and for the most part I feel compelled to defer to her facts and analyses (almost) without reserve. (/around 13:30 she said "so mind-f#%#%ingly stupid" /). I'm surprised she didn't actually

Re: [FRIAM] Please join Zoom meeting in progress Virtual Friam

account for mental coriolis effect? Asking for a friend... - Steve So, you missed it because you got screwed. Got it. I was hoping to join you for a bit today but a super long dentist appointment intruded. sscrewing and screwing unscrewing and screwing unscrewin and screwing

Re: [FRIAM] Honeymoon over!

And if you're interested, my long abstract submission to IACAP-2024 has related thoughts. (Scroll down until you get to the link for the actual paper.) Russ - I am interested in reading your abstract/paper..._ _ I signed

[FRIAM] Slow AI

https://doctorow.medium.com/solar-is-a-market-for-financial-lemons-ea00699fe0a2 I suspect the opinions among the members of this list range widely on Doctorow's work, my general response to him is a guarded

Re: [FRIAM] Breaking Bad and Free Will

On 1/26/24 4:18 PM, glen wrote: You're probably more competent at parsing it than I am, which is why I said "enjoyed" rather than some other stronger description of my reaction. But when you say "plain language" and "common sense", I blanch a bit. I thought they were talking about things like

Re: [FRIAM] "SSRN-id3978095.pdf" was shared with you

This was stuck in my mailtool, waiting for me to complete a closing sentence and hit send... On 1/22/24 12:46 PM, glen wrote: Words matter: how ecologists discuss managed and non-managed bees and birds https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11192-022-04620-2 Words do matter, acutely in

Re: [FRIAM] Breaking Bad and Free Will

On 1/26/24 3:13 PM, glen wrote: I enjoyed this brief assessment of subjective probability/plausibility: https://home.snafu.de/erich/ibe_2023.pdf And I kindasortamaybe agree with their conclusion in favor of "convergence": "Convergence: Traditional epistemic values can over time yield

Re: [FRIAM] Breaking Bad and Free Will

On 1/26/24 12:35 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: We don’t have the same molecular composition from identical histories, so there is no reason to think we’d all *react* the same way. is that technically *act* or *re-act*?   Like my pachinko analogy, it is all *re*action, all the way down... no

Re: [FRIAM] Breaking Bad and Free Will

ace patting myself on the back again. What matters is the *scope*, not some penultimate reduction to some Grand Unified Theory/Philosophy of the world. Nobody can say anything coherent without mentioning the scope of whatever it was they said ... the language within which they said it, etc. On 1/

Re: [FRIAM] Breaking Bad and Free Will

The person that knows their path is bound, rationally discards the self-regulation of guilt, and in that sense has more “freedom”. Yah... that's kinda the vibe I get from DT, Bannon, Stone, Miller and many of the Jan 6 crowd. I have a thing with the triad of Blame/Shame/Guilt   I think

Re: [FRIAM] Breaking Bad and Free Will

good to hear your "voice",  DaveW! Finally, the ideal of "non-attached" action and the omniscience that comes with achievement of Satori allows one to consciously and intentionally take the "correct," non karma accruing, action at every moment seems like the ultimate 'free will' in the sense

[FRIAM] Honeymoon over!

GPT is dead, long live LLMs! The following is a pretty good (IMO)  reflection on what GPT is bad (and good) for. https://medium.com/@jordan_gibbs/how-to-not-use-chatgpt-8088ec559681 I've been messing with GPT3/4 and Bard for most of a year now and the honeymoon is definitely over, not that

Re: [FRIAM] Breaking Bad and Free Will

On 1/25/24 13:34, Jochen Fromm wrote: Could you say that a strong character or personality reduce our free will too, because they restrict our choices and decisions? On 1/26/24 8:18 AM, glen wrote: Absolutely. If we parse out what character or personality means, we might come to the idea

Re: [FRIAM] Breaking Bad and Free Will

Does ChatGPT have choices? I "can't help myself", so here goes: And in the spirit of recursion, I fed my text to both GPT-4 and Bard asking for a "concise summary" Bard: "I'm just a language model,so I can't help you with that." and GPT: "The text is a contemplative reflection on

Re: [FRIAM] Breaking Bad and Free Will

Does ChatGPT have choices? I "can't help myself", so here goes: I've been reading Sopolsky's "Behave" which paves the runway (or exit ramp) for his recent "Determined".  His deep background in neuroendocrinology leads to some very compelling arguments which pretty much degenerate to:

Re: [FRIAM] The last Lighthouse Keeper in America

behaviour people of influence have mustered (not restricted to c20, just my current focus/interest) and how divergent the ensemble of possible world historical arcs has Interesting times... - Steve PS.  I have romantic/nostalgic ideas about lighthouses myself, but i'm not sure that shutterin

Re: [FRIAM] AI Alliance

and interesting (from the website): /In recent years, a new successful paradigm for building AI systems has emerged: Train one model on a huge amount of data and adapt it to many applications. We call such a model a foundation model.

Re: [FRIAM] AI Alliance

As the habitual tangenteer that I am, I'm left reacting to the phrase "Musk's reality distortion field".    Tangent aside, I do very much appreciate Glen's take on this and found the multiple references (much more on-topic than my tangential riff here) interesting and useful.   I too hope

Re: [FRIAM] metathesis

ry slope or another, whether inviting AI to become my overlord or risking becoming post/transhuman. I'll save the tangential riff this is triggering for a followup post (which I may or may not actually release into the FriAMstreamOconsciousness)... - Steve /"I know you believe you understand w

[FRIAM] path toward "infinity and beyond"...

Subject:"path toward "infinity and beyond", or "on being and becoming", on "my path toward Post/Transhumanism through using LLMs in forward facing internet engagement and cautionary tales" Tangenting off of my recent tangential riff inspired (but not particularly informed) by Glen's

Re: [FRIAM] metathesis

Glen - I appreciate that you shared with us your "handicap" which reminds me of your self-report a few years back of tryptophobia. I also am triggered by both of these.   Your examples of Nukular/Nuclear and Axe/Ask are obviously pretty familiar.   I respond to them pretty pre-consciously

Re: [FRIAM] Off the wall question about turbulence

Seems to me that if the design of household drains was sensitive to turbulence, someone would have figured out how to fix it in the 19th century. -- rec -- Of Plungers, Snakes, Toilet Jacks, Gong-Farmers

Re: [FRIAM] Off the wall question about turbulence

I like the "listening" ideation offered, I *have* used the temperature/tactility mode of holding my hand on a P-Trap to "feel" how the water flows... vibrations convolved with "coolth"...  usually filling the sink partway and holding the p-trap in my hand while I pull the plug and "feeling"

Re: [FRIAM] artificial clouds

Great find... A microcosm, personal study of the experience I know ideating on high-dimensional visualization of pressure/temperature/humidity/particulate density spaces and their evolution by watching clouds form/disperse. @7:30 in the video, his exhibit is reminiscent of "old faithful"... 

Re: [FRIAM] Mirror Neurons & Intersubjective Reality

a totally reasonable one would be acutely memorable for anyone who understands chess play, not just rules? It is a fascinating anecdote... I look forward to the possibility there will be more discussion about this and similar problems.  - Steve -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-

[FRIAM] Mirror Neurons & Intersubjective Reality

I have not (yet) read this critically, the introduction just tweaked my (confirmation biased) interests: https://medicalxpress.com/news/2023-11-brain.html When I first encountered the Mirror Neuron research

Re: [FRIAM] Theil

On 11/13/23 5:39 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote: I'm surprised Stuart Kauffman isn't in there. CultBiosGroup? -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom

Re: [FRIAM] Theil

nents (./... must... stop... now.../ ) On Nov 13, 2023, at 5:57 PM, Steve Smith wrote: On 11/13/23 12:06 PM, glen wrote: You might want to check the Gurometer. Lex has an entry: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Oe-af4_OmzLJavktcSKGfP0wm

Re: [FRIAM] Theil

haven't investigated the GuruMeter guys enough to understand their methods but I take it for granted they are not unserious in this work. On 11/13/23 10:08, Steve Smith wrote: It seems (maybe only to me?) that "will" is what defines the intersection of memory and imagination? The free-wil

Re: [FRIAM] Theil

tions) of it's responses I'm generally disappointed at it's limited creativity...   and left puzzling over the question of "novelty vs creativity". Bumble,  - Steve On 11/13/23 10:27 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: It seems to me that neither Musk and Thiel are interested in the unknow

[FRIAM] agonism and policing the community with a keisaku?

ng and the opportunity it represents.   I love/hate it when that happens.  Those of you with the most blunt and pithy observations are the most likely to achieve this... the abrupt knocking-sideways that is always unwelcome in the instant but often fully valued upon reflection.   "receiving the

Re: [FRIAM] Constraint Propagation and "Wave Function Collapse" Algorithm

g) The Text-Image transformers of DALL-E (et alia) seem to be a softer version of the constraint business? I may be overgeneralizing or missed the focus of your fascination? mumble,  - Steve Many of you have written versions of constraint propagation algorithms in one form or another.

Re: [FRIAM] more agonism

On 10/18/23 11:27 AM, glen wrote: Here's PZ Myers policing his community: The Gamete Delusion https://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2023/10/17/the-gamete-delusion/ https://www.theparadoxinstitute.com/watch/is-sex-bimodal I don't really have a dog in this fight other than the general

Re: [FRIAM] natalism

of depth and free us up for more breadth ... or at least those of us wealthy enough to use LLMs. Let them eat cake. On 10/9/23 10:52, Steve Smith wrote: It feels as if the very "excess meaning" (or sloppy meaning?) you ?disparage? in cognitive metaphor is, in fact, what makes them so "

Re: [FRIAM] Language Model Understanding

On 10/9/23 9:24 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: I mean there are some categories that are disjoint or mostly disjoint. Similarly, the grounding is not total. I agree that value systems like MAGA have power, but they don't have truth. There is no truth. All there is, is power, which is my

Re: [FRIAM] natalism

uot;powerful". To the extent the point of "powerful speech" or "powerful thoughts" might be to jump over the threshold/saddle from one attractor to another, this makes sense (for better and worse)... - Steve As usual, there's too much in your post for me to follow a

Re: [FRIAM] Language Model Understanding

Hope: "/doing the right thing, no matter how you think it will turn out/" On 10/8/23 2:21 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: I would center nihilism not on devaluation but on deconstruction. If value is about a set of lived experiences, is it a detached reflection on something special that

Re: [FRIAM] Language Model Understanding

ng mindful of their limitations and ethical considerations./ - Steve On 10/7/23 5:13 PM, Tom Johnson wrote: Thanks. Those are impressive numbers. Tom On Sat, Oct 7, 2023 at 4:11 PM Marcus Daniels wrote: The “large” refers to the number of parameters used.  A smaller large language mode

[FRIAM] Language Model Understanding

https://gabgoh.github.io/ThoughtVectors/ This leads me (surprise!) to an open ended discursive series of thoughts probably better left for a separate posting (probably rendered in a semasiographic language like Heptapod B <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heptapod_languages

Re: [FRIAM] natalism

https://www.overcomingbias.com/p/shrinking-economies-dont-innovate I am fond of this style of (counter)thinking to the growth/innovation topic: Economics for the Future: Beyond the Superorganism It doesn't really argue the point (natalism and other quantitative measures of growth?)

Re: [FRIAM] cults

en as rich of a flux as the Santa Fe area.   I blame a combination of "domestic bliss" and the habits/constraints of COVID isolation for my current lack of proper "bar friends", but soon I may blame the fact of having too many good options online? *I* think these questions of i

Re: [FRIAM] Emergency Alert

l quad-cab 4x4 cowboy cadillac)... _ Cody Smith _ c...@simtable.com On Wed, Oct 4, 2023 at 4:32 PM Steve Smith wrote: Is it a coincidence that the US Emergency Alert System (primarily cell phones) was tested today, coincident with the Russian nationwide *nuclear*  alert

[FRIAM] Emergency Alert

Is it a coincidence that the US Emergency Alert System (primarily cell phones) was tested today, coincident with the Russian nationwide *nuclear*  alert system test today? https://www.newsweek.com/us-russia-emergency-alert-drills-1831776 I was surprised when the US system was first

[FRIAM] Firearm violence... was: Mass Shootings

Jochen - My reflections on "how would Jochen see this?" during my cross-country trip this summer wasn't intended to diminish your concerns about gun safety/violence in the US... if anything I was seeing my own "backyard" through the eyes of others (yours) who have not been innured to the

Re: [FRIAM] cults

On 10/4/23 4:36 AM, Pieter Steenekamp wrote: I carefully listened to Musk's speech as provided in the reference and attempted to reconcile Marcus's comments with it. Here are my observations: a) Marcus states, "I realized I kind of agree with Musk about the benefits of more isolation."

Re: [FRIAM] cults

t must paradoxically,     dance the /danse macabre/' * *(pronounced Mac-Abrey for the purposes of this poem) / Steve Smith, October 2023 On 10/1/23 7:36 AM, glen wrote: It's been awhile since I've run across a new-to-me cult. But 09A certainly qualifies as a meaty one: h

[FRIAM] structure/function in (network) systems

This recent article about synchronization in networks was fascinating to me: https://neurosciencenews.com/complex-system-synchronization-23902/ and lead me to need to catch (ever so little) on the idea of structure vs process "motif" graphlets

Re: [FRIAM] saRNA

The space between */Scylla and Charybdis/ *seems to be shrinking by halves.   On the one had the conspiracists are "awfulizing" everything while others might be "normalizing" everything in the spirit of (polyanna?) progress? With what *appears* to be a sharp rise in auto-immune disorders in

[FRIAM] Unlocking Aphantasia – The Mysterious Spectrum of Mind's Visualization - Neuroscience News

A and Hyper Phantasia - relevant to our "dreaming" discussions. https://neurosciencenews.com/aphantasia-visual-ptsd-23901/ -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom

Re: [FRIAM] Science Fiction Books

v=89dGC8de0CA>! - Aerosmith or a Cinematic Slam version <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYXYQRU2i7c> (more to the spirit of adversarial collaboration)... For the western take on eastern mystics among us, Alan Watts <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wU0PYcCsL6o>... Discursively

Re: [FRIAM] On Apple Podcasts: Solving Tornadoes: Woke Meteorology

   We have not worked closely since she moved from UNM to UTEP a decade ago... she thrives there best I can tell.  I no longer do anything useful beyond gadfly-about myself.  Some /Laurels/ make for better resting than others... - Steve /    May the laurels you rest on be the fruit of living in

Re: [FRIAM] Science Fiction Books

ure is a fascinating milieu to be surfing through in these auspicious days at the beginning (or end) of the Anthropocene.  - Steve On 9/7/23 1:01 PM, glen wrote: Both keyboards and pencils are part of our extended phenotype and play (multiple) roles in interoception, including the induction of inter-

Re: [FRIAM] Science Fiction Books

Great list Carl!  And more interesting yet to me: /I would like to feed.../ /...into the AI and see what millennium long sci-fi it could turn out. / I'm definitely fascinated by the implied interpolation (and extrapolation?) an LLM can do in what is by definition firstly *linguistic*

[FRIAM] Guns, Police abuses and Foodstuffs in 'Murrica today.

sia there is such a variety of good restaurants and healthy food. In Germany and Great Britain not so much, except in the larger cities, but in the Mediterranean countries like Spain, Italy, Greece and Israel the food is awesome. In South Korea, Thailand, Vietnam and Japan as well. -J.

Re: [FRIAM] Is the American political system broken?

cracy. / https://ia801507.us.archive.org/4/items/TheGreenBookMuammarGaddafi/gaddafi-green-book.pdf On Sun, Sep 3, 2023 at 10:31 PM Steve Smith wrote: I'm not an American, but because America plays such a big role in the world, I do follow what's happening over there. With the pr

Re: [FRIAM] Science Fiction Books

al pulp hero with his Nicholas van Rijn characters in a series of works and his /PsychoTechnic League/ is a Future History to rival Asimov's /Foundation/ series. I know you asked for "_*A*_ favorite" but I'm not so good at narrowing such things down...

Re: [FRIAM] Is the American political system broken?

s more strong proposals (for rhetorical/political purposes). In any case, I think his "voice" has been important as one of the stronger outliers (including Pete Buttegeig, Marianne Williamson and Tulsi Gabbard) and welcome his continued efforts even if they fail to get immedia

Re: [FRIAM] overshoot day

On 8/2/23 2:55 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: I just noticed it was overshoot day, and just after the hottest July ever recorded.    Yay! I'll be mixing up a nice ice-cold (luke warm?) cocktail of shame with just a splash of Cassandrafruede (reminiscent of Absinthe?) at sundown today

Re: [FRIAM] Philosophy and Science

I like the term "epistemic trespass" and generally agree with the idea glen promotes in that regard. My direct experience with *many* experimentalists trained and self-selected as physicists or chemists or materials scientists was that many of them were excellent engineers, computer systems

[FRIAM] Fwd: Fwd:  Virtual FRIAM - recurring Zoom meeting on July 6, 2023 @ 9:00 AM | Read Meeting Report

Forwarded Message Subject: Fwd:  Virtual FRIAM - recurring Zoom meeting on July 6, 2023 @ 9:00 AM | Read Meeting Report Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2023 14:15:30 -0600 From: Steve Smith To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Fascinating!  I feel like I

Re: [FRIAM] From Merle--AI News

glen wrote: IDK. The implication that we already have laws that cover (80%?) of the use cases for new tech we, as a society, want to discourage, is a good default. It resists the "there ought to be a law" sensibility held by old people and curmudgeons everywhere. And it keeps our legal

Re: [FRIAM] From Merle--AI News

glen wrote: IDK. The implication that we already have laws that cover (80%?) of the use cases for new tech we, as a society, want to discourage, is a good default. It resists the "there ought to be a law" sensibility held by old people and curmudgeons everywhere. And it keeps our legal

Re: [FRIAM] From Merle--AI News

Extortion is illegal, no? Apparently there are both federal and (all 50) state laws against (im)personation (to achieve gain or cause harm).   As far as I know this doesn't keep Halloween stores from selling Richard Nixon and Donald Trump masks,  but *might* have something to say if they

Re: [FRIAM] From Merle--AI News

On 6/16/23 2:31 PM, Merle Lefkoff wrote: Here in the U.S., Jennifer DeStefano, an Arizona mother, testified at a Senate hearing this week about her harrowing experience with a deepfake scam that tricked her into thinking her daughter had been kidnapped. DeStefano says the fake kidnappers

[FRIAM] Husserl and James: Gift of the Magi - Stanislaw GPT

OK... so I took my own bait.   Anyone familiar with James and Husserl will probably see the "obvious" flaws in GPT's characterization of their relationship. In my own humble opinion, GPT did not fully rise to the occasion of overlaying Lem's style (or his primary characters Trurl and

Re: [FRIAM] Radical Empiricism

On 6/5/23 12:24 PM, glen wrote: I try to be careful about my allusions to "openness". I attribute (perhaps wrongly) the openness of science to Critical Rationalism (Popper, but better described by David Miller). Good (and bad) ideas can come from *anywhere*. The "problem with having an open

Re: [FRIAM] Radical Empiricism

re "naturally" composed episodes with internal diachronicity but (for some more than others) also strung together diachronically to some extent? Given that it is our "gut instincts", what if our AI were to engineer our gut biome to carry all that extra information and every mea

Re: [FRIAM] Radical Empiricism

lternate realities". If there is a singular capital T Truth (or capital R Reality) then it is probably at most apprehended by finite beings (who have not achieved Satori, nod to DaveW) as the superposition of many sub-complete T' (or R') descriptions? - Steve On 6/5/23 10:18 AM, glen wrote: Bu

Re: [FRIAM] Radical Empiricism

now that this will be anything more than a novelty or if it will be as (relatively) good as the Oculus (I've been playing with VR since before it was called that and was totally blown away by the "value" Oculus represents). - Steve I don't mean "we" as in FRIAM, I mean "

Re: [FRIAM] Radical Empiricism

All art is derivative, so why bother... really? On 6/4/23 1:53 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: The conclusion I draw is that these conversations have all occurred before.  So I wonder, why have them? *From:* Friam *On Behalf Of *Jochen Fromm *Sent:* Sunday, June 4, 2023 10:44 AM *To:* The

Re: [FRIAM] India

feeling a little like the cross product of (Vonnegut) Harrison Bergeron and George Santos ? On 6/1/23 12:07 PM, Sarbajit Roy wrote: Hi Glen In so far as the report of dropping the periodic table and evolution from the Class 10 syllabus, it is essentially a question of Hindu class and caste

Re: [FRIAM] A distinguishing feature of living entities

On 5/29/23 1:32 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: I believe that Zoox, Cruise, Waymo, and Tesla all use these techniques. I was involved in a project in the 90s where I was introduced to the degenerate form:  Trigram Analysis.  It was fascinatingly effective *and* fairly easy to understand/explain

Re: [FRIAM] A distinguishing feature of living entities

e.com/blog/generative-ai-and-uncanny-valley-and-call-action https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2023/03/ai-chatgpt-writing-language-models/673318/ Mumble,  - Steve -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday S

Re: [FRIAM] crackpots and privilege

My grandsons' girlfriends (twenty-somethings) say that they think babies are disgusting.  I hope they change their minds.  In any case, what does a shortage of babies have to do with AI? Babies *are* (can be) disgusting, but same for puppies, kitties, and garden-soil from the right (wrong)

Re: [FRIAM] crackpots and privilege

t;https://christdesert.org/> on the Chama River crossed with Los Alamos/Manhattan Project.   I didn't read Pat Frank's (also 1959) "Alas Babylon" until some years later but it is often attributed as the first "Apocalyptic Novel" in the Nuclear age. Privileged Crackpot yours,

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