Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [RuMills] THE TRUTH BEHIND THE EU'S THREAT TOWARD AUSTRIA
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- On 5 Feb 00, at 7:34, Colleen Jones wrote: The logic of RuMills thinking is eluding me. She seems to be saying that either: 1) We support Austria's neo-Naziism (and "Faction 2") and defy the NWO or 2) We join in Austria's own defiance of neo-Naziism and thus support the NWO. The choice she gives us neo-Naziism OR NWO. Is there really a difference between them? Seems like a matter of heads I win, tails you lose. She also seems to suggest that immigration is a dangerous policy and that only homogenous communities within nations support social order. (Which is facist thinking to me-- Hitler would certainly agree with her). Is she also saying that when nations and their economies are destroyed by war or natural catastrophe, making it impossible for people to live and survive there, people must stay where they were born, even if means death? Through history it has been demonstrated that great societies and civilizations arise where multi-ethnicity and multi-nationalism thrive. Austria and Bavaria have always been known for kinder, kirche, kuche--children, church, and cake. Hardly my idea of a great society or great civilization--although Austrian scenery certainly has it charms. However, this charming area seems to hide a hotbed of contention under a deceivingly smooth surface since two world wars have been ignited from that region. The movement of populations has altered civilization throughout the known history of the world and is essentially unstoppable. And some would say that periods of greater movement are tied to periods of significant seismic upheaval--a part of our organic evolution and development, as it were, for better or for worse. sno0wl A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Hitler-ism or (NWO) New World Order is Suicidal #2
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- On 5 Feb 00, at 15:08, ThePiedPiper wrote: think it is from the aspen tree that aspirin is derived. No, I think it's willow--white willow. sno0wl A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] What it takes. 1
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- On 22 Jan 00, at 10:38, Prudence L. Kuhn wrote: The question then becomes, will humans survive at all? Probably not. We're a cancer on this planet. Let's hope we get dumped before we've managed to destroy all other life. Prudy I've heard this argument before and it's too easy. I don't feel like I'm a "cancer" on the planet. As far as I know you, I don't think you are a "cancer" on the planet. In my opinion, me and thee are assetts--or at least not harmful elements here. So who are we talking about? I think we're talking about actually a very small number of people who have the power to create significant damage and "cancers" on the planet and who do not restrain themselves from causing harm--and always for the sake of more profit and power.. Where me and thee are culpable is that there is often a small sidebar of technology from these "cancers and damages" that "trickle down" to us and that we actually we enjoy and which make our personal lives a little easier. Taking on all that guilt is a bit excessive. sno0wl A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [corp-focus] One Big Company
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- On 12 Jan 00, at 19:51, Robert Weissman wrote: We recognize that this merger has "synergies that make some observers drool," as the Wall Street Journal explained. AOL will highlight InStyle magazine? Moviefone will pitch Warner Brother movies? Time Warner will include AOL disks in promotional mailings? That's progress, baby! Isn't this how capitalism works? You gotta keep growing--expand or die? But what happens when everyone gobbles each other up? Don't you inevitably have to end up with just one or two corporate entities that own everything? And isn't that called fascism? I remember my own days on AOL. I made lots of friends on the AOL message boards that I kept for quite some time. But most of us eventually left AOL for other entrees to the internet. Now I know very few folks with aol.com following their @. Is AOL a beginner's game? I must say that it probably it is a pretty good introductory setup. But once you understand your way around, there are so many less frustrating ways to get around the internet. I don't think I've once gotten a busy signal either--or been cut off--since I left AOL. sno0wl A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Where's The Outrage?? Religious Freedom DENIED!
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- One of the main issues with Christianity IS the Vatican--which is not only a religious center but a very powerful political and financial force. And does not only embrace a religious dogma but also a political and financial agenda. Religion centered in the Vatican recognizes the Pope as the prime terrestrial ruler and regards all secular leaders as holding power only under Papal authority. To all extants and purposes, the religion based at the Vatican is called Christianity and regards itself as the final authority over all who consider themselves Christian. Which is why Catholicism in an American president has always been an issue, the question being: would he be subject to the Pope's authority. Could he make his own judgements and decisions? As for other Christian sects and groups, they also have political and financial agendas, which they strategize to enact and maximize. And are, to some degree, in competition with the Vatican with regards to numbers of followers and thus money and power. Believers=. More believers=more $ People today are not being "persecuted" for believing in the divinity of Jesus. The issues are political and financial and revolve not solely around dogma but around money and power The Vatican--for one--is as powerful a player in world politics as any nation...and quite a bit more powerful than quite a few. We are talking here about CONTROL over territory and assetts--not about whether you or I or our nextdoor neighbor "accept" Jesus or the Bible. Ferdinand and Isabell--who financed Columbus--were firm supporters of the Church and the Inquisition--which, as you may recall, had a most profound impact on the peoples who inhabited the lands discovered by Spanish explorers. It was Spain and the Church who went out to conquer the New World. With that in mind, the founders of this country set out to create a separation between church and state. I thought they had succeeded. sno0wl A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] INTERNET SPY (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- On 12 Jan 00, at 13:47, Yardbird wrote: I keep getting these offers - are they a con of some sort? We'll soon see. I just bought one for $6.95 in an amazon.com Dutch auction. That means the seller sells somethling like 25,000 CDs but you can bid for just 1 single unit. I guess the seller wasn't haven't much success in his email campaign. I'll let you know what I find out about you when I get mine :)) sno0wl A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: New Year's Sex Party At White House]
-Caveat Lector- On 5 Jan 00, at 1:15, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: During what one White House aide called the "first-ever disco" at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, the agent says he interrupted sex acts taking place in a White House bathroom off the Rose Garden. "I know it was New Year's Eve, and I know that everyone was celebrating and drinking, but I was completely shocked," said the agent late Sunday. "Three people were together having sex when I walked in on them." In a BATHROOM!!! You mean you can't even go to the bathroom in privacy at the White House? Now I wonder if those bathrooms have peepholes and surveillance cameras in themlike they do in those cheap motels. Well, be warned. You don't want to be caught having to go to the bathroom if you ever get to go to the White Househaving sex or no Think it was Liz Taylor reliving her turbulent Richard Burton years? Or Jack Nicholsen just being his wild old self? sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] reptile countermeasures
-Caveat Lector- On 5 Jan 00, at 9:52, Andrew Hennessey wrote: Looking at lessons from history we see the shapeshifters, faeries and elementals - ie. other worldly creatures fear of iron. anecdotal evidence of the philadelphia experiment tells us that some crew after they came back from wherever - touched a ships magnetic compass and burst into flame. Iron earths and dissipates the self contained reservoir of energies within these beings somewhat like a lightning conductor. Magnetised iron is going to be even more effective at that. Firstly - the reptiles have a control over matter which may be harmed more by magnetic iron grapeshot or shrapnel or a good styled round. Having magnetic iron amongst their unworldly constitution is probably going to do more lasting damage than a lead round. Secondly - these guys don't just growl like a bear - they use a form of psionic mind control - which could well ensure that their victim didn't get a second round off - so I would recommend coating the magnetic iron round/shrapnel in some hallucinogenic eg. lsd which I would hope - would interfere with their will power long enough for the defendent to reposition. Sounds wonderfully inventive and probably effective to me. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Pyramid capstone?!?!
-Caveat Lector- On 1 Jan 00, at 21:30, Ynr Chyldz Wyld wrote: -Caveat Lector- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anybody hear anything about the celebrations in Egypt at the pyramids? The last I heard the events were being cancelled. Did anything happen there? Does anybody know about it? Only thing I saw was a bit of the 'floor show' that was carried by PBS...and quite frankly, it looked tacky, tawdry, and boring...sort of a trailer park idea of what 'high art' should look like... I guess at the stroke of midnight, they did a laser light show and fireworks, beyond that I don't know... Interesting to me that in spite of the worldwide coverage of New Millennium festivities, we saw very little of Egypt and Jerusalem. Unless they failed to cover it, what they did do in Egypt seemed absolutely dwarfed and swallowed up by the immensity of the pyramids and the desert. H..Now what was that all about? sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Robt Anton Wilson QA by Sean Casteel
-Caveat Lector- Thanks again, Nikki--That's a nice little piece of sanity. And it's always reassuring to find some sanity in the world. VBG sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Signoff CTRL
-Caveat Lector- Happy Birthday Goat!!! You have been one of the sanest, most interesting voices I've come across on the internet and I want to thank you for all your input. You will be sorely missed and I hope our paths will cross again. Wishing you every good thing the Millennium can bring and the good nature, endurance, and ingenuity to handle the rest. 333 sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Paris Y2K
-Caveat Lector- On 6 Dec 99, at 16:52, Das GOAT wrote: France Readies 2000 Crowd Control PARIS (AP) - France plans to put more than 60,000 police in the streets on New Year's Eve to fend off any trouble and help assure a smooth glide into 2000, the interior minister said Monday. About 11,000 extra riot police and mobile units will be added to those already in place for street duty, said Interior Minister Jean-Pierre Chevenement. An additional 1,600 soldiers will help survey airports and train stations, already under special watch, he said. And New York City has promised to do the same--some astronomical number of police out in force with (oddly) the same number--11,000--in Times Square. Will all these revelers really feel safe within their celebratory circles surrounded by riot squads? sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [0] Syndicate Abroad ruminations
-Caveat Lector- On 16 Dec 99, at 7:25, Das GOAT wrote: What if the exorbitant profits of CRIME so *outpaced* the profits from LAWFUL activity that, after a few decades, they were sufficient to finance a slow "hostile takeover" of all legitimate economic institutions, particularly those operating on a "global" scale, like the multinationals and their "political administrators," the NGOs of the ha "NWO"? When they SUCCEEDED in this --a global "coup" by the Mafia-- how could we TELL? Seems to me, we'd be presented with conditions such as exist NOW all around us ... Seems to me we're already there--and have been for at least a decade.. Stop the arms and drug traffic and the global economy would collapse. There was a post about US sales of some super sophisticated aircraft to some semi-hostile government. Isn't that so we can have a "better" war? sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] carry on up the frequencies
-Caveat Lector- On 17 Dec 99, at 13:29, Andrew Hennessey wrote: -Caveat Lector- WHY is there a NEW LOONEY RELIGION made to order by the ESTABLISHMENT by Andrew Hennessey I have been holding fire for a while now listening to the new doctrine of Ascension - trying to take the various concepts to their natural extremes in order to map out the ways this scene could evolve - and I have been a bit troubled by the results of what I have learnt from various practitioners. The idea sounds lovely - Earth is moving up through the frequencies and everything bad will be left behind because they didn't inwardly deserve to come. Great idea ? .. well no actually. In answers to questions like . how many are moving up - the answers vary from a small band to a couple of billion - and all the billions of people not ready will be left behind - and if you get left behind its all your own fault because You Create Your Own Reality. If you get ill and have a disease for instance - it simply means that your soul is not too spiritual at this time and has a dis-ease with the cosmos and therefore the illness is your fault. If it makes you feel any better, Andrew, I noticed this, too. In spite of all the folks focused on Ascension and all the "lightworkers," I've found the internet to be rather daunting in terms of the spiritual life. I mean, consider the Holocaust in terms of "Create Your Own Reality." It's worse than revisionism. (Although the wonderful movie, "Life is Beautiful" may be a case in point.) I mean, how can folks who can't operate spiritually in the 3rd dimension even begin to imagine that they could function in the 5th? sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] FW: Liberty Update/radio program schedule
-Caveat Lector- On 15 Dec 99, at 0:40, Dave wrote: Ollie North has a radio show that is syndicated to 147 affiliates?! That is uh... disgusting? dangerous? demoralizing? Where, oh where have you been? Didn't you know that Ollie North made a run for public office--was it governor? senator?--in his state and almost won...or at least didn't have too bad a showing. Demoralizing, indeed sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [0] Syndicate Abroad
-Caveat Lector- On 14 Dec 99, at 13:22, Kris Millegan wrote: -Caveat Lector- an excerpt from: Syndicate Abroad Hank Messick©1969 The Macmillan Company London-Tronoto LCCCN 69-11590 246 pps. First/only edition Out-of-print Prologue: Command Decision NEW YEAR'S EVE in Havana and two "high rollers" prepared to quit the game. General Fulgencio Batista y Zaldivar and Maier Suchowljanskybetter known as Meyer Lanskypossessed an active sense of realism. International gangsters of long standing, both had surrendered power before only to rebuild as the vagaries of man's ignorance created new opportunities. It was a warm night as 1958 died, and cloudless. Business boomed in a hundred brothels where virginsreal and allegedasked top prices. Experience was a commodity also concealed in the plush casinos where syndicate technicians cleaned the suckers as they had done for decades in scores of stateside joints. In the ballrooms of plush hotels subsidized by the casinos, tourist and Cuban bureaucrat danced the old year away. Reporters, their stories filed, joined the fun and games. The New York Times w ould be scooped by no newspaper next day for reporting: GOVERNMENT TROOPS SUPPORTED BY TANKS AND AVIATION HAVE FORCED THE REBELS TO WITHDRAW FROM SANTA CLARA, ACCORDING TO REPORTS REACHING HAVANA TODAY. Perhaps reporters who never learned of the relation of crime to politics back home should not be expected to recognize a similar combination in a foreign country. For behind the official blandness things were happening. As bands in nightclubs across Havana broke into "Auld Lang Syne," President Batista began a series of telephone calls. The message to crook and crony was the same. Only those who had proven their value in the past received the warning. Presumably they might be useful in the future. By the oddist twist of events, I was in Havana the weekend before Castro came down from the hills (He arrived in Havana on Monday and I left Sunday afternoon)and it was my impression that the people of Cuba were really behind him just about 100%. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: Fw: CONSUMER WARNING/PHONING - ACTION ALERT - PLEASE POST!]
-Caveat Lector- On 14 Dec 99, at 13:07, piper wrote: GE Foods -- I was surprised to see Quaker Oats on your list. Does this mean that Quaker Oats Oatmeal is GE Oats? If it is, I certainly won't buy it again. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Failed trade talks had no chance of consensus
-Caveat Lector- On 6 Dec 99, at 8:25, Taylor, John (JH) wrote: WTO '99: Failed trade talks had "no chance" of consensus 6-Dec-99 00:22 SEATTLE --Talks at the World Trade Organisation (WTO) ministerial meeting here - intended to launch a major new international trade round - broke-up Friday night when negotiators conceded that there was no chance of reaching consensus. Negotiators told reporters that they were not even close to agreeing on fundamental issues such as the scope of a new trade round or the basic governing procedures the WTO should use to negotiate terms of agreements. You can bet that the next round of talks will be scheduled to meet in BoraBora. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Banned Bush Bio
-Caveat Lector- On 30 Nov 99, at 19:44, William Shannon wrote: Hatfield followed up the story through sources close to Bush, who had helped with other earlier sections of his book. They confirmed to him that the basis of the story was indeed true, but Bush had not been sent to work at the Martin Luther King Jr. Community Center. Instead his community service was performed in Project P.U.L.L, of which his father, George Bush, was a "benevolent supporter". I wonder how Hatfield's sources are doing in their chosen careers. Are they still alive sno0wl sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Seattle and Beyond--Prudy
-Caveat Lector- On 25 Nov 99, at 1:50, Mario Profaca wrote: SEATTLE AND BEYOND: DISARMING THE NEW WORLD ORDER by Michel Chossudovsky Professor of Economics at the University of Ottawa and author of The Globalization of Poverty, Impacts of IMF and World Bank Reforms, Third World Network, Penang and Zed Books, London, 1997. Wow!!! Thanks Prudy. sno0wl sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Rennes-Le-Chateau
-Caveat Lector- I am a little long in the tooth for it, but I am a great lover of computer games--adventure games, not shoot-em-ups. And one of my favorites has been the Gabriel Knight series from Sierra. One of the most wonderful things about the Gabriel Knight mysteries is that a.) they always have a metaphysical/occult element and b) they are set in a specific place. When you finish the game, you feel as though you have been in that place. The first game "Sins of the Fathers" was set in New Orleans with a voodoo theme. I absolutely fell in love with Gabriel and his assistant, Grace Nakamora. What wonderful characters! The second game, "The Beast Within" was set in Germany and one section of the game explored the castle of Neufshwanstein (sp?) complete with Wagnerian music and murals, a missing Wagnerian manuscript, as well as the Wagner museum, among other national monuments. And werewolves, too. Fabulous. The newest game is set in Rennes-Le-Chateau and concerns the Knights Templar and the Grail legends and the Grail treasure supposedly hidden there. The visuals are not as impressive (to me) as the earlier games but the sense of being in a place is compelling. (Since I haven't been there, I can't really compare, but I think if I went there tomorrow, I could find my way around BG) I've just started playing this game, so I can't comment on the whole of it--but the beginning is verry interesting. I've explored the church rebuilt by Abbe Saunier, had a brief history,which included some elements I hadn't heard elsewhere, and have "driven" around the surrounding country with Gabriel on his Harley. Great fun. I just thought I'd mention this, because I know there are those on the list interested in the subject and that this might be of interest to them. Not a scholar's game, but surely educationaland fun. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] GREED
-Caveat Lector- On December 5th at 8 p.m. EST, Turner Classic Movies is going to show a reconstructed version of the movie "Greed"--reconstructed to be as close as possible to the Erich von Stroheim original, that is. This is an absolutely incredible, strange, and brilliant movie-- should anyone be interested. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] FW: Independent Media Center at WTO
-Caveat Lector- On 24 Nov 99, at 4:58, Dave wrote: www.indymedia.org. I tried to go to this site and was told it was "forbidden"!???? sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Y2K Movie Tonight
-Caveat Lector- On 22 Nov 99, at 13:35, Tenorlove wrote: The movie, Y2K was aired by NBC in the Rhode Island area but I understand that some areas of the country may not have. That NBC may have substituted another movie instead. Would that WE were so lucky! The only thing that struck me was that the one person in the whole movie who got hurt was the guy who refused tp evacuate. Do you think there's a message there? sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The BOOK
-Caveat Lector- On 23 Nov 99, at 9:36, Prudence L. Kuhn wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/23/1999 7:55:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Fortunate Son, the ill-fated biography of Gov. George W. Bush, was recalled for burning by the publisher, a decision that remarkably drew applause from the national news media. Indeed, the only visible media complaint was that the critical biography was written in the first place. In addition to the rush to burn the book, another oddity--St Martin's Press (the book's publisher which is stoking the furnace) is a division of Holzbrinck GmBH, the German Publishing House. Considering all the material I've read about the Bush family connections with Germany, Nazi and otherwise, perhaps they lit the bonfire as a personal favor. Prudy H... I didn't know that Prudy. What with Bertlelsmann owning Bantam, Doubleday, Dell (and Random House?) I'm beginning to wonder how much of major American publishing is now German owned. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Cairo angered by US 'whitewash' to save Boeing
-Caveat Lector- On 22 Nov 99, at 7:06, YnrChyldzWyld wrote: -Caveat Lector- On Sun, 21 Nov 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Curiously, last night NBC aired Goldeneye--the James Bond thriller about the electromagnetic pulse weapon. It's an oldey but kind of confirms its existence. What was even more curious was that it wasn't on any of my TV schedules. And to add to the curiosity factor, wasn't a thriller based on Y2K the movie that WAS scheduled? Did NBC black out the Y2K movie in all markets, or just a few...? No, Goldeneye appeared on Saturday. Y2K was on Sunday nite. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] British Medical Journal on Homeopathy
-Caveat Lector- On 20 Nov 99, at 18:11, William Shannon wrote: It is well known that many homoeopathic medicines are ultramolecularthat is, they are diluted to such a degree that not even a single molecule of the original solute is likely to be present. As drug actions are conventionally understood in biochemical terms, homoeopathy presents an enormous intellectual challenge, if not a complete impasse. Many scientists have suggested that the clinical effects of homoeopathic medicines are solely due to the placebo effect. Purely placebo effect. Quackery at it's finest...but there's a sucker born every minute so this bollocks will persist. For shame, for shame. Gee Bill, I woke up this morning all stuffed up--nose, throat, yuck. Took 5 little round thingeys of Kali Bichromium and...Bingo!!in ten minutes it was all gone. I don't mind being called a suckerbut I just love things that work. Works for my dogs, too, when they get all those fall allergies from leaf mold and all thatand they have no idea about placebos. But they've been called worse things than "sucker" so it's okay by me. You'd be happier if I went to a vet ($35) and got a prescription ($25). Or a doctor ($135) and got a prescription ($40)? The Kali Bichromium cost me $4.95. I may be a sucker, but I'm not a sucker with a stuffed up running nose and a chest cold. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Cairo angered by US 'whitewash' to save Boeing
-Caveat Lector- On 20 Nov 99, at 9:58, Prudence L. Kuhn wrote: But on the other hand, if this is a cover-up to save Boeing's corporate ass, then I am very glad this is happening. Egypt is too important to US foreign policy to lose. If Batouty didn't crash the plane, and I believe that he didn't, then pinning the crash on THIS dead man may turn out to be a big mistake. Yes, Joshua, of course. Prudy Well, since they seem to have ruled out mechanical failure, I'm not sure what Boeing has to do with it at all. Now protecting the US military, who may have been "exercising" or "excorsing" the area, is a whole other kettle of fish. Curiously, last night NBC aired Goldeneye--the James Bond thriller about the electromagnetic pulse weapon. It's an oldey but kind of confirms its existence. What was even more curious was that it wasn't on any of my TV schedules. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Origins of the Illuminati
-Caveat Lector- On 14 Nov 99, at 17:02, Rodrigo Cesar Banhara wrote: -Caveat Lector- The Origins of the Illuminati Not much has been said about the origins of the Illuminati. Some researchers trace the origins back to the Bavarian Illuminati in the 1700's, but this secret organization goes way back. The Illuminati can be traced back at least 4000 years, but the first Order wasn't fully established until the Babylonian era, around 1000 B.C. So around 4000 years ago the original Brotherhood was infiltratedHowever, the plans were made already during the Sumerian era, in Mesopotamia, which is the land between the rivers Tigris and Euphrates (Iraq), under the reign of King Ur-Nammu. This was during the Third Dynasty of Ur, around 2112-2004 B.C. Something seems out of whack here. To begin with there is actual archeological evidence of an elaborate burial of a SumerianQueen and her court and some very famous Sumerian artefacts which date to circa 2500 B.C.--which would coincide with the end of the Babylonian era--Ur was much, much earlier. Followed by Sumeria, followed by Babylon. Secondly, the White Brotherhood, as it is presently concieved via Blavatsky et al., and the Theosophists, is Indo-European. The people of Babylon and Ur were Semitic peoples. The Indo- Europeans came from the North--from Scythia and other regions. Actually they came to Sumer and Ur as barbarian invaders from the North and East and, although they were conquerors, were assimilated into the Sumerian culture--which was the higher culture at the time. The "Aryans" were originally an Indo-European peoples- -although they were later redefined and/or confused with the peoples of Scandinavia and the northern Germanic Teutonic tribes. There would seem to be some further confusion since this White Brotherhood has its headquarters in Tibetwhich would seem to make them Asiatic. However Tibet has the distinction of being the northernmost location and possessed of the loftiest and most unpassable mountains. Which would serve the purpose of making this White Brotherhood the most secretive and inaccessible. So who knows what their racial origins are. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Mythic Language
-Caveat Lector- On 15 Nov 99, at 13:15, Andrew Hennessey wrote: -Caveat Lector- hi, a Unifying Theory of Linguistics - ie. language from ONE COMMON ROOT was proposed by a Dane called Stevenson who wrote a treatise on Phoenetics in the 19TH CENTURY. Using his system of phoenetics - the 'this word sounds like this word in this other language' idea - his system could be used to translate ancient scripts AND modern languages. This work - which was scoffed by the experts of the day and is still ignored, unheard of and buried, lies in the UNIVERSITY OF EDINBURGH LIBRARY in Scotland. please forward to those interested on the Thoth list. I would also suggest that we email the edinburgh university library to obtain copies of this very important thesis. The source of this information is a researcher for film, tv and the discovery channel and is also responsible for Rosslyn relics and the finding of the King Charles royal treasure in the river forth by Edinburgh. There is a two volume set called A Book of the Beginnings which explores the origin of languages and hypothesizes that those who eventually settled in Egypt and built the pyramids first lived in the British Isles. A Book of the Beginnings, University Press, 1974 (from original publication at the turn of the century) by Gerald Massey ISBN 0-8216-0211-X It is an exhaustive study of language, symbols and mythology. I read it in midnight frenzies some 20 years ago and don't remember much of it nowexcept that at the time I couldn't put it down. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Who they are.
-Caveat Lector- On 14 Nov 99, at 22:33, Nurev Ind Research wrote: I know who " they " are. Probably better than anyone on this list. Some of " them " are listed by Coleman. It's his paranoid racist interpretation of SOME of the raw material that has made his book worthless. Would you expand on this a bit and "illuminate" the rest of us. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Business trumps human rights.
-Caveat Lector- On 11 Nov 99, at 10:58, Kathleen wrote: -Caveat Lector- http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/9945/hentoff.shtml Published November 10 - 16, 1999 Time Inc. editor in chief Norman Pearlstine: Business trumps human rights. (photo: Marina Garnier) NAT HENTOFF Time Warner and Human Rights Press Lords Bow to a Torturer he Committee To Protect Journalists is the most valuable of all press organizations because it goes beyond First Amendment rights here at home to safeguard the right of all journalists in the world to be protected from governments that imprison, torture, and sometimes murder reporters who tell the awful truth. On November 23, in the Grand Ballroom of the Waldorf-Astoria, the Committee To Protect Journalists will hold its Ninth Annual International Press Freedom Awards Dinner-for the benefit of the committee. Chairman of the event is Norman Pearlstine, editor in chief of Time I think that the US policy towards and with China--starting with Nixon and proceding through the Reagan and Bush presidencies and on into the Clinton administratiion-- is full of intrigue and secrecy and contains elements that have never been made public. I think none of us has any idea just what our relationship to or our "agreements" with the Chinese really are. This is made particularly clear by the West Coast negotiations with the Chinese for port bases and the situation in Panama...which, to anyone thinking with mere logic, seem completely nuts. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] TOP SECRET FBI Pimp Files (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- On 11 Nov 99, at 6:50, Das GOAT wrote: .. The Clinton administration's use of such drastic means for a so-called "economic" conference has raised questions about state-sponsored commercial espionage. Is export money enough justification to use children as sex-slaves and spies? How naive can we be? In the underworld economy of espionage and organized crime, which are almost indistinguishable, the primary currencies used are not ONLY "illegal drugs" and "black-market weapons." Just as valuable as either is SEX -- but, especially when sex is routine and cheap, for "sex" to have ANY value as a currency, it MUST be "taboo" sex, forbidden by law or just by normal (public) moral standards -- a kind of rare "delicacy," obtainable only by the the ultra-rich or the ultra-privileged, for whom being able to push the envelope of the "permissible" to the EXTREME is an essential definer of "elite" status. (Power isn't really "power" unless one is free --FREE-- to ABUSE it.) In more Victorian times, the "buzz" used to be homosexuality. Today it's pedophilia. OF COURSE it's not only immoral but ILLEGAL The flip side of POWER is its RISK -- so one is never welcomed into the circle of the powerful except by double-edged gifts which can, if PUBLICLY revealed, DESTROY one. "Secret societies" are "secret" for a good practical reason. Shared GUILT is a strong BOND and GUARANTEES silence. Wouldn't it be interesting if Clinton got to take the fall for thiswhich has been going on for decades, certainly through the two previous Republican administrations --if not forever. I have always thought that, in the larger picture, Clinton was a patsy--like Oswald--intended to take the blame for all the illegalities and pecadillos of Bush et al., allowing them to come back into the arena later looking clean. And, if this is true, you have to give him some credit for his ability to duck and cover. When he came into office, Clinton looked like a healthy young man. The pictures I see of him lately, he looks positively ashen and almost aged. In only a decade? Mind you, I'm not condoning these activities (which are horrendous), but Clinton certainly didn't invent them. Hoover might have gotten them from Caesar, Nero, or Calligula. And Bush certainly used them during the Regan era. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] AOL user named CRAZY70707
-Caveat Lector- On 12 Nov 99, at 7:32, earthman wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/3/99 12:06:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, Mystric 4U writes: Thought I would share with everyone something that happened on Tuesday night ... and I hope that you will all pass this to other AOL members. While I was online Tuesday night, my sister-in-law sent me an IM and told me to checkout the profile of another AOL user named CRAZY70707. Not really thinking much about it, I pulled the profile up ... and in big red letters, the word "FROZEN" was at the top of this profile. At first, I thought it was some kind of a joke, but when I went to click the profile off of my screen...I couldn't do anything...I was, as the profile said, frozen. Now why would your sister-in-law do that to you????? sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Sun Cruiser
-Caveat Lector- THanks for the great live sun screensaver!! It's fabulous. It was you, wasn't it?? sno0wl On 9 Nov 99, at 18:53, earthman wrote: -Caveat Lector- Hi, I have deleted who asked me for the suncruiser image, this is a site for all those lasco and soho images http://lasco-www.nrl.navy.mil/#images This site shows the Suncruiser http://www.wolflodge.org/stargate/sc2.htm Peter We are about to go on a Journey. All Aboard http://sites.netscape.net/gsussnzl/poleshift DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Friday #3
-Caveat Lector- On 5 Nov 99, at 20:55, Ric Carter wrote: # Expert warns against superbug 'epidemic' (BBC) A potentially fatal superbug which is resistant to many antibiotics has reached "epidemic" levels in UK hospitals, according to a public health official. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_505000/505710.stm And Prudy tells me that Colloidal Silver has just been declared useless and illegal and will no longer be sold in health food stores, etc. If you don't already know how to make it, I would research it on the web NOW and get those directions down before they all disappear-- that is, if they haven't vanished already. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Un Conference Bonn, Germany - Cathie Adams Reporting - Final
-Caveat Lector- On 5 Nov 99, at 23:15, Flat Rate Telephony, TODAY!! wrote: The UNFCCC COP 5 in Bonn, Germany has concluded. Delegates agreed to accept the scientific consensus that human activities are causing the earth to warm even though science has not proven the emotional claims. Alas, what they don't say is that it's the launching of all those satellites and space thingeys, along with corporate carelessness on a massive scale that is the major source of our environmental pollution... When they say "human activities" it suggests that it's ladies using aerosol cans and people driving their cars to work and someone forgetting tor recycle their soda cans. As if the general population were to blame rather than the governments and international corporations. As if there would be less polution if there were less of us rather than less of them. The usual doublespeak. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] fw: SNET: Essential Command System At Risk For Y2K Failure
-Caveat Lector- On 7 Nov 99, at 0:47, Nicky Molloy wrote: The computer system used by the White House and top commanders to plan and execute major military missions has not proven ready for 2000, the Pentagon's inspector general said in a report released Friday. With two months until the new year, the audit raises important questions about the military's preparedness to deal with the prospect that crucial computers could malfunction when their internal calendars roll over to 2000. How on earth are they gonna put the nation under martial law if their computers don't even work? Somehow I keep believing we will actually be saved by human error and incompetence. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] More Dark Links - Satan
-Caveat Lector- I think you need to remember that David Bowie made "The Man Who Fell to Earth" (considered a "classic" for at least 2 decadees) when the prospect of alien visitors still had a rosy glow--our infinitely wise, gentle space brothers come to help usand that film created a sort of "persona" for him that was VERY successful with the public. So in another sense, he was capitalizing on something that had worked for him. Then, I think, he had a sort of dry period. I suppose he had to come up with "something" to respark his career. I think he also pioneered the ultra-thin look...along with androgyny...Wasn't it called "Concentration Camp Glitter Rock" or something like that sno0wl On 5 Nov 99, at 22:26, Das GOAT wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-11-05 04:35:44 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well I'm glad we cleared all that up. So is David Bowie one of Satan's puppets or not? Aside from Bowie having been, like a few other British rockers, immersed in Crowleyite, OTO-style occultism** in the '60s, he was THE pioneer of "androgyny" (to the point of sexually conjugating with Mick Jagger) and THE pioneer of the "alien" look on stage. After awhile, one almost expected him to appear on stage doing a duet with a Grey ... The "Illuminati's" concept of who "Satan" is might not be what the rest of us expect ... The "medium" --Bowie as performer-- is the message, so don't bother looking for any "message" in his lyrics. Whatever is deemed meaningful by the literate left-hemisphere of the brain is a "straw dog" --something used mostly to misdirect and fixate conscious attention, "hypnotizing" the mind-- so that more important nonrational, nonverbal stimuli can penetrate the REAL target of "mind control," the right hemisphere's "unconscious." **The lyrics of "A Space Oddity," for example, could be interpreted metaphorically as Bowie's experience of what's called in Crowleyite magick "the crossing of the Abyss." DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Doomsday Cult Alerts.... What is the Government Really Saying?
-Caveat Lector- On 7 Nov 99, at 9:07, earthman wrote: The Vatican, which has declared 2000 a Jubilee year, has scrupulously avoided linking the anniversary with millenarian aspirations, though security will be a constant concern during the year-long programme of events expected to draw millions of pilgrims to Rome. According to the Talmud, a Jubilee Year--which occurs in a multiple of 7 (7X7=Jubilee) indicates a year in which all debts are forgiven and all property reverts to its original owner(s). Does the Vatican really propose to cancel all debts and to return all that property it owns around the world to its original owners? Unless this is the Vatican's intention, the expression "Jubilee" year is virtually without meaning. I think we tend to associate Jubilee with a great celebration--which is not its actual meaning within religious tradition. (Although when this was really in practice, and people's debts were forgiven and they got their property back, I'm sure there was major revelling.) sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Scenario plans
-Caveat Lector- On 3 Nov 99, at 16:32, Taylor, John (JH) wrote: >I was at a scenario planning exercise last week. two interesting things > came out from the man in control. > Scenario for whatdeveloped by whom? Gurdjieff may have met Crowley but I really don't think they were "linked." Both Gurdjieff and Crowley were "rugged individualists" by which I mean they were each into their very own thing. I don't think Gurdjieff considered himself involved with the "occult" though he actually may have been..He was involved with "the way things really are"--which may be a definition of the "occult" if the truth is hidden. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Barbara Marx Hubbard; NWO/U.S. Army Delta Force consultant
-Caveat Lector- On 2 Nov 99, at 0:13, Dave wrote: David Rockefeller, current head of Rockefeller empire and member (past chairman) of Council on Foreign Relations, is widely recognized as the foremost partisan for world government under the UN. Here is what benevolent capitalist', Rockefeller is on record as stating in 1973 about Mao Tse-tung: (NY Times 8-10-73) "Whatever the price of the Chinese Revolution, it has obviously succeeded not only in producing more efficient and dedicated administration, but also in fostering high morale and community of purpose. The social experiment in China under Chairman Mao's leadership is one of the most important and successful in human history." If one remembers anything of Chinese history, one must remember that the Chinese Revolution grew out a nation decimated by drugs (imported from the West and virtually forced on the people until addiction was achieved), desperate poverty, and almost inconceivable corruption at Imperial levels. The Revolution was, in fact a rebellion against these things. Then one understands that flooding the US with drugs and creating poverty is a step in the direction of creating a like "revolution" here in America. And you were surpised by the massacre in Tienamen Square? It is sort of paradoxical: The leadership has reason to despise the West remembering the corruption it bred in China prior to the Revolution-- a corruption that reduced the massive population to desperation and starvation. Yet many young Chinese associate western "democracy" with freedoms they long for and don't enjoy under their present regime. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Phony Battle Against 'Isolationism'
-Caveat Lector- On 2 Nov 99, at 8:51, Prudence L. Kuhn wrote: nd don't forget how long the Croats and Muslims were battered by the well armed Serbs without the Bush Administration saying one word. Watching the zoo keepers shot while trying to feed the animals, watching the lovers who had been given permission to cross into the Serb zone, shot by Serb snipers, didn't bother President Bush at all. For years I wondered why he didn't do something. During the very early days of that mess, a harsh word from Bush would have stopped the whole thing. He said nothing. Around a year ago, I was listening to Thomas Eagleberger on a talking heads thing. Someone asked him why George Bush did nothing and said nothing when all that started. He said, "Well, he had business interests there." And just what do you think those "business interests" were. I don't think there's any oil there.H sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] article
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On 31 Oct 99, at 21:25, Smart News wrote:
" members are watched all the time and
their loyalty is tested "...the dogma is enacted through rituals,...
regularly observe(d) rituals, rituals frequently invoke supernatural
intervention,... staged events such as planned spontaneity... mystical
manipulations, cults capitalize on members' fear and ignorance,...a sense
of separateness (is promoted) through an "us" and "them" mentality, ...
siege mentality with a paranoid view of the outside world, humor is
forbidden, resistance of members is worn down through physical and
emotional manipulations, a person's identity is destroyed... to create a
new one," members give up their autonomy to be approved," mind control is
used to indoctrinate the victim into the group's belief system,
individuality is uniformly suppressed,... a well-defined hierarchy,"
members are used to benefit leader(s), "mind control is used ...to convert
the victim to the group's belief system,... to insure secrecy... and to
carry out cult instructions."("Safe Passage to Healing" - p 47 - 48)
Sounds an awful lot like family life to me.
sno0wl
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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Heavenly Osiris and Earthly Isis? No doubt.
-Caveat Lector- On 1 Nov 99, at 11:57, Tatman, Robert wrote: Should've remembered Cyrus Gordon. I've read Graves at length; while a lot of his interpretations try a little too hard to see echoes of Völkerwanderungen and dynastic upheavals, much of his analysis is borne out by more "reputable" scholars such as Marija Gimbutas and William F. Albright, "the father of Palestinian archaeology". Marija Gimbutas had to wait until after retirement to publish her books about The Goddess. Had she published earlier, she would certainly have risked academic ostracism. Back in the 70s, I merely mentioned Ellizabeth Gould Davis' book, "The First Sex" at a gathering that included many academic women and was greeted by howls of laughter and much sneering. After all, Davis, in the first chapter of her book, mentions Atlantis, Fer Gawd's Sake. How could anyone take this Florida librarian (who documented almost every word she said in her extensive bibliography) seriously. sno0wl sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Sex/Machine ...
-Caveat Lector- On 31 Oct 99, at 0:45, Prudence L. Kuhn wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 10/30/1999 5:35:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Funny how, almost universally, cosmology-as-theology mirrors sociology -- "religion" functioning as a way of "spiritually" legitimizing a political-economic class structure. Yes, and if there's anything to the information in the Dictionary of Angels, the class structure seems to continue right on into paradise/hades (what have you). Really a bummer. Prudy Is it possible that, like many species, we are hardwired for hierarchy? sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] fw: IUFO: Alien Invasion Set For Dec 99!
-Caveat Lector- On 31 Oct 99, at 0:19, Nicky Molloy wrote: This information comes from Dr. David Jacobs. He has hypnotized hundreds of alien abductees. So has Budd Hopkins. In both "Intruders," which was written in 1986, and "The Threat," which was written in 1997, abductees give the date of 1999 as the year the aliens will do something. An abductee also told me she feels the aliens will do something soon. We speak of the Greys here. And they are controlled by the Lizards (Reptoids). Both are a parasitic race. They live off the blood and flesh, energy and toil of others. Every time a planet goes thru a pole shift, they swoop down like buzzards to snatch their helpless prey. It's been done before. This is why He stirs up wars. To see the blood fly. To catch the escaping soul in the air. To laugh at God as they perform the wholesale slaughter of the innocent. And you think L. Ron Hubbard has some strange notions???!!! DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] OBE's
-Caveat Lector- On 30 Oct 99, at 11:08, earthman wrote: NOW.the site above is where a disciple of robert monroe went recently to see the gathering and to see what is going on there with it!! a long article resultsthe one that the link goes to... it is all there folks..the whole nine yards...i thought ya would like to read this from yet ANOTHER explorer!! ...be prepared tp be amazed...this robert monroe OBE-thing is *NOT* just for to go local obe!! As Andrew Hennessey said in his post about Ascension, I have some reservations about this sort of anticipation of what we commonly regard as "death." I've had some experience (non-drug) in these realms of OBE and NDE, certainly regard life as a transitory experience, and yet still feel a great deal of attachment to the beauty of this planet (which is awesome, if you've stopped to notice lately)...and do wonder about the passivity this sort of experience--as described in The Gathering--might engender. I suppose it's all to the good if it helps folks handle fear...but on the other hand It occurs to me that one of the good things about the 60s-early 70s when so many people were experimenting with tripping was that people had to learn to accept the individuality of each person's visions...material that emanated from the individual unconscious. That acceptance generated a great deal of trust and tolerance--at least in certain small groups of people. The writer of The Gathering suggests that what he experienced is a collective vision...and that worries me. It reminds me a little too much of Bo and Peep. (The San Diego suicides). In Buddhist circles, if you have an experience like this, one of the first things your teacher will tell you is to forget it. Fantastic visionary experiences are not considered conducive to real spiritual growth. Maybe this guy will have more to tell us when he learns to make that Castenadian leap. Just my 2 cents worth. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] New study shows link between sex and violence among N.C. high sch ool males
-Caveat Lector- On 29 Oct 99, at 16:18, Tatman, Robert wrote: These same males are more likely to fight, carry a weapon to school, attempt suicide, smoke cigarettes, drink alcohol and use illegal substances, said the report's author, Robert H. DuRant, Ph.D., vice-chair for Health Services Research for the Department of Pediatrics at Wake Forest University Baptist Medical Center and director of the Brenner Center for Child and Adolescent Health. In 1997, 40.5 percent of sexually experienced males who carried a gun to school had been involved in a pregnancy, while only 13.2 percent of non-gun carriers had been involved in a pregnancy, according to the report. Also, 27 percent of males who had been in six or more fights in the last year had also been involved in a pregnancy . "This data is not meant to imply that violent behavior causes pregnancy or vice versa," DuRant said. "It shows that health risk behaviors co-occur and that we must address and focus on a full range of behaviors to make an impact." This is an interesting way of "reframing" the problem of young men who "grow up too soon," most without solid family structure around them (although Littleton would certainly prove the exception to that generalization) In sociological terms, it really is worth of NLP. Certainly seems worthy of that Landover Baptist Church in its logic and thinking, too.What with suicide rates rising alarmingly among teenagers and smoking and drinking alcohol generally also high among adolesccent males, this should include an awful lot of teenage boys. Funny, it doesn't mention anxiety or stress as leading to violence. But it does suggest that all "risk takers" may be violent. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Sex/Machine ...
-Caveat Lector- On 30 Oct 99, at 8:06, Das GOAT wrote: Not an uncommon nightmare vision --Happy Hallowe'en, by the way!-- of the (possibly) true position of man on earth vis-a-vis "superior intelligences" in the greater universe. Sufi-inspired teacher Gurdjieff suggested as much in saying sagely, but darkly, "Man is food for 'the moon,' " indicating some "higher" realm that, for us, just signifies DEATH and could be perceived only as the rabbit perceives the wolf higher on the food-chain. Colin Wilson has dramatized a similar vision in works of fiction --in a whole "series" on this subject-- cinematically represented by "Lifeforce," although he has ALSO written a SERIOUS (?) essay arguing this possibility, imbedded in one of those "sci-fi" novels. (In fact, Wilson takes Sitchin's OPTIMISM about "Nibiru" and stands it on its head ...) Just to add a little bit to this, contrary to Christian teaching which says that everyone has a "soul" which ascends to Divine Realms or descends to Hell, depending on the individual's behavior in life regarding good and evil, Gurdjieff (also drawing on Tibetan Buddhism) taught that a soul had to be created by an individual using conscious effort to do so. And that very few humans troubled themselves to make that effort. He was the first teacher to offer Westerners a method by which this could be done. It is in this vein that Buddhists train themselves with an eye to achieving a "conscious" death. In such training a "soul" can be created and in a conscious death, that soul is released safely to its further destiny and does not "feed the moon."And yes, both John Lilly and Colin Wilson can both be better understood through an understanding of Gurdjieff. Interesting to me is that P.L. Travers, author of my favorite books in childhood, "Mary Poppins," was a practicing Sufi. Also Doris Lessing, one of my later favorites. Gurdjieff also put political unrest to seismic upheaval and said that there was nothing to do but get out of the way. He also said that such times were a gift to those who aspired to consciousness since it created energies which could be used to this purpose by those who knew how to use them. You certainly could say that such a philosophy is elitist since, according to G and related teachings, only one in a million would make the effort and create a soul worthy of escaping a darker fate. However, the opportunity was open to all. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Heavenly Osiris and Earthly Isis? No doubt.
-Caveat Lector-
On 28 Oct 99, at 6:32, Das GOAT wrote:
-Caveat Lector-
In a message dated 99-10-27 11:17:07 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
In the Germanic languages, the moon is male (cf MHG 'der Mond') and
the sun is female ('die Sonne'); I believe this is echoed in a number
of other IE language groups. Determining to what extent the dichotomy
reflects religious doctrine/practice is extremely difficult,
particularly when, as with the German and their cousins the Norse,
the myths were only collected and recorded well after the conversion
to Christianity and are thus in many cases closer in spirit to "fairy
tales" than to true myths. But see Jaan Puhvel, *Comparative
Mythology*, and J.P. Mallory, *In Search of the Indo-Europeans*; see
also Mircea Eliade, *A History of Religious Thought*, vol. 1.
The same in Latvian, my father's native language, and I seem to recall
that the Letts --if not the oldest, the SECOND oldest group of
Indo-Europeans to survive culturally intact into the Middle Ages--
honored a moon god and a sun goddess. If I have enough time off the
job to consult my hefty Sanskrit dictionary (which includes
etymologies), I'll report what the respective genders of sun and moon
are in that ancient IE language. All to show that, at least
ORIGINALLY, both Near Eastern and I-E cultures shared a tendency to
reverse modern sex-roles, in terms of the gender of planetary
deities.
For anyone with the time and interest, I would recommend going to:
http://members.aol.com/phikent/orbit/orbit.html
This is an absolutely fabulous site which keeps up to date on
solar/weather goings on--including quakes, solar storms and all
sorts of anomalies including contrails (from a scientific viewpoint)--
as well as mythology--from visionaries who look to the Pleiades to
those who have just come back--in actuality--from the new
Egyptian digs with incredible photographs of the newly opened
tomb of Osiris under the Sphinx--which the infamous Hawass is
using not to inform the world but to ingratiate himself with
Scandinavian royalty.
You could spend weeks here following all the linksand you
would be almost certain to find something to really interest you--
whether your take is pragmatic or otherworldly or somewhere
inbetween.
Kent Steadman --an artist and genius (IMHO) updates the site
almost daily and it is well worth following for the big picture of "the
weather." His site must be one of the most brilliant on the internet
and should be of interest to anyone whose interest goes beyond
the surface of politics.
Prudy--no need to go to the library or the bookstore. It's all on the
internet. You just have to look.
Happy Advenutirng!!
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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Heavenly Osiris and Earthly Isis? No doubt.
-Caveat Lector- On 24 Oct 99, , Das wrote: I think the disagreement with you is based on confusing what the Egyptians believed (amply recorded in both their texts and drawings and sculptures) and what relatively modern "illuminati" CLAIM they believed, attempting to subsume Egyptian religion under the themes found in Indo-European as well as SOME Near Eastern religions, just in order to make everything "come out right" as "universal." The archeological evidence makes clear the fact that even in the Near East, even in ancient Sumer, the "gender of cosmology" was in fact OPPOSITE to what we have in later, more "patriarchal" times. For example, in both Egypt and Sumer, the moon is MALE, and in various places in Mesopotamia the sun is female (the female Shapash instead of the male Shamash), and Venus' and Mars' genders are usually reversed -- Dumuzi/Tammuz is the MALE fertility god and Inanna/Ishtar is the GODDESS of war and sexual frenzy, not at all a "love" goddess! The male is portrayed as a bull, the female as a scorpion, mirroring the forms of the signs Taurus and Scorpio. (Athena for the Greeks was goddess of WAR earlier than Ares, note, and Dionysus was a sensuous FERTILITY god of sorts.) Of course, along with the (to us) "gender reversal" of social roles, the MOST ancient layer of culture in both Egypt and Sumer was "matriarchal," which to an anthropologist means MATRILINEAL. In Egypt, the pharaoh inherited his office through the Queen Mother (see the Heb-Sed ritual, where he dances around a veiled goddess on a throne) and in Sumer, the lugal (priest-king) assumed office after "wedding" the Goddess in the form of the High Priestess. Come the Age of Aries, these Taurean concepts fell into disfavor with the patriarchal warlords, who "masculinized" ALL divinity, as in Greece, leaving female deities to govern only the element most DESPISED by them -- "earth." Yes! Thanks Goat for saying it so clearly and well. Lately I seem to have little patience for explaining things. This ancient matrilineality is almost always left out of historical discussion--I believe the change took place somewhere around 2500 BC with the fall of Babylon--by which time many of the matriarchal practices were probably decadent and corrupt ( as are many of the patriarchal practices today). One of the major world changes created by the establishment of Judiasm was the change from matriarchy to patriarchy with the subsequent demonization of all matriarchal practices. (The evil of Lillith, etc.) sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Heavenly Osiris and Earthly Isis? No doubt.
-Caveat Lector- Don't mean to argue with you, the Illuminati,or G. Manley Hall, but the compass would relate to Imenhotep, the human Architect; Ptah, the Creator God; or Thoth, the god who, among other things, encompassed mathematics, learning, and philosophy. That's what it relates to re the Egyptians. What it means to FreeMasons may be something else altogether. Isis was never an Earth Mothershe was ever Queen of Heaven. Osiris was dismembered by his evil brother Set. Isis reassembled all the pieces but one. She never found his phallus. Or perhaps she did find it and used it to impregnate herself. Reassembled (with a missing part), Osiris became King of the Underworld. (Instead of being resurrected, he was reassembled). Isis gave birth to Horus, the hawk-- warrior of heaven--who triumphed over Set and avenged his father, returning the Cosmic Order to Justice and Harmony. Illuminati ideas are an amalgam of Egyptology/Christianity/ and the Order of the Rosy CrossRosicrucianism.. I don't know about the Rosicrucians, but I don't think the Christians would cotton to a Queen of Heaven--not a human mother giving birth to a diviine son, but a divine mother giving birth to a divine son who avenges the wrongs done her and then rules over a world restored to order. Moreover, the Egyptology of the Illuminati dates back to the early years of Egyptian rediscovery, (Napoleonic era) before much was known and before many texts had been translated. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] DIA tidbits
-Caveat Lector- On 19 Oct 99, , [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is, however, another painting at DIA which never seems to make it onto the web. It depicts "Mother Earth - Father Sky", which is basically another way of saying Isis and Osiris. I think this is basically inaccurate, if you are refering to Egyptian cosmology and mythology. The Egyptians regarded the earth as male and the sky with its stars as female ( the goddess Nut) . Osiris was a god of the Underworld. The Earth was represented by a male goose (gander?) named Geb. In Egyptian mythology, the Moon is male, too. Many of the goddesses were solar goddesses. Although Ra was the Sun god, Sekhmet was his consort. (This might indicate that many mythological concepts had male/female counterparts and that life was not sexually polarized as it is in our present society) It was she--originally a powerful, revered goddess of healing, arts, magic, beauty, and you name it, who got a really bad rep for hurling (at Ra's instructions) the Eye of Ra at the earth, causing unparalleled death and destruction--an event which might translate into something like the solar storms and eruptions we are seeing lately. Curious. Anyway, Mother Earth and Father Sky has absolutely nothing to do with Egyptian cosmology or mythology. It seems to have more to do with Christianity and Native American beliefs. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Planet X-Death Star-2003
-Caveat Lector- On 20 Oct 99, , earthman wrote: Most will be in unsafe areas when this world wide catastrophe takes place. They're being set up for slaughter by ignorance. Apart from the underground facilities, will there be any "safe" areas if and when this occurs? sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Endangered Property Rights Part 1A
-Caveat Lector- LOL!! What a neat little history of the US. I think you really have it summed up. sno0wl On 20 Oct 99, , Prudence wrote: Let's discuss loggers and ranchers as targeted for extinction. My husband is now retired, but he was a draftsman. He drew it on the board. Golly, just not a lot of that around anymore. I was a secretary. I can type about ll0 words a minute (and with darned few errors). Somehow there's not much call for that sort of thing. A good thing I retired too. I don't think anyone really needs shorthand anymore. My husband's grandfather was a barn builder. He was a good one. Amazingly, his son didn't follow in his footsteps, because nobody much is building big wooden barns any more. My own grandfather was a wheelright. Not much call for those guys either. Nobody's trade is guaranteed to go on forever. Ranchers and loggers need to get with the program just like everybody else. Those ranchers who claim to have been managing the eco-system have just about finished it off. They killed off the buffalo (God forbid that free meat be available), starved and shot the Indians, shot the wolves that without the buffalo turned to the cattle, shot the eagles, and occasionally shot each other in disputes over the land they wanted. They've about wiped out the entire food chain from Indiana onward, and now they want a gold star and a lot of really cheap grazing on public lands. Sorry. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Louisiana high school tags students
-Caveat Lector- On 22 Sep 99, , Kathleen wrote: On a campus such as ours that is fairly open from all sides, we want to be able to identify our students. It would be very possible for students (from other schools) to come on campus and get among our students, and we would not be able to identify them until some time later. But with the badge, at a glance, we can see if they are ours or if they are not ours." Privacy issues aside, it seems to me that anyone who was serious about getting onto the "campus" could find a way to come up with a badge. Just as those who are determined can find ways to get illegal weapons. There's really no way to lock up the henhouse...unless, of course, all the places where people work, study, and gather are fortified--like prisons, with every single person checked at the sentry gate, coming and going. And even then sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] USGS Earthquake report
-Caveat Lector- On 21 Sep 99, , USGS wrote: Magnitude 7.6 earthquake near TAIWAN 23.81N, 121.00E depth 33.0km Mon Sep 20 17:47:18 1999 GMT An earthquake has occurred. Following is information provided by the National Earthquake Information Service of the USGS. This information is preliminary and subject to correction. Time: GMT Mon Sep 20 17:47:18 1999 (EDT Mon Sep 20 13:47:18 1999) (PDT Mon Sep 20 10:47:18 1999) Magnitude: 7.6, determined using its moment Epicenter: 23.81N, 121.00E (TAIWAN) Precision: A, where A is fine and D is coarse. Depth of focus: 33.0km below sea level at the epicenter. Note that the depth of focus is given as 33.0km, indicating that the depth was known to be shallow but could not be determined precisely. For a map showing this event, please consult the web page http://wwwneic.cr.usgs.gov/neis/bulletin/990920174718.HTML Further info can be obtained from the USGS National Earthquake Information Center at http://wwwneic.cr.usgs.gov/ or the USGS home page at http://www.usgs.gov/ Well, it looks like they have solved the Taiwan problem, one way or another. This particular 7.6 is, I think, merely an "aftershock." sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Deafening Silence
-Caveat Lector- On 17 Sep 99, , [to:] wrote: -Caveat Lector- AMERICA: SOME CRIMES MORE HATEFUL THAN OTHERS Chicago Tribune By Kass August 31, 1999 An ugly racial incident happened in Chicago's Bridgeport neighborhood over the weekend. But strangely, black ministers and political activists are holding no angry news conferences. There is no mayoral campaign, so City Hall isn't publicly calling on the president or the county state's attorney for justice. The word is out in Bridgeport for the people to shut their mouths. And official Chicago wants this one to go away. Roy Trumblay, 55, and his daughter, Christine, 22, were walking on 35th Street toward Comiskey Park on Saturday, to watch the White Sox. Roy also had two grandchildren, a boy, 8, and a 10-year-old girl, and other family members with him. As they passed the Deering District police station, with dozens of other fans, a man jumped out of a car, police said. He was clutching a wooden table leg, with a chunk of metal on the end. Roy and Christine didn't know the man with the table leg. But he picked them out anyway, on that crowded street. When he was finished, father and daughter were crumpled on the pavement. Their skulls were crushed open. This is how it was done in Bosniaone little neighborhood at a timeturning one group against the other untilPhwp!!! you have a blazing conflagration. And you can justify it, too, by pointing out how ancient the resentments are, how deep they run. Just bound to erupt in tribal/ethnic/ racial/ religious hatred, donchaknow. When different groups can't cooperate and can't live side by side, you can say goodbye to civilization, hello to savagery. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] It will happen, if WE MAKE IT HAPPEN!! [otherwise an AgeOfD
-Caveat Lector- On 21 Sep 99, , Bard wrote: -Caveat Lector- Dear Linda, He's the son of a different clan, but he's Scotch-Irish to the bone and a true American, so I think he's as close to a modern day William Wallace as we're ever going to get. Of course, I'm talking about Pat Buchanan. Thanks to Pat's courage in abandoning a Republican Party that no longer even pretends to represent him or us, here's what we could see sometime in January, 2001 -- and all it will take is a Golden 35% of the electorate voting for Pat: The President of the United States, Patrick J. Buchanan!!! The idea is chilling to me. I mean, hey, I like it that he's against NAFTA and GATT and all that, but his attitudes towards people, his blatant racism and anti-Semitism, make his candidacy a pretty terrifying prospect to me. Don't we have someone who's against all the bad stuffand for some of the good stuff, too? sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] SWAT Nation (Rant)
-Caveat Lector- Sorry if this is sort of a riff off your rant, Goat, but I do get your point. I have just had two rather odd experiences. 1.The advent of Floyd in upstate New York turned off the power in my very local upstate NY neighborhood for almost 24 hours. (Not the whole town but the block where I live and a few blocks to the west of me.) It went out at 8:30 p.m. and didn't come on again until around 4 the next afternoon. When I went looking for info, folks told me that there were lots of power lines down. But when I went out walking, I didn't see a single onenot even where big trees were down. In the NW corner of my house there is a sort of rumble that sounds like a motor running. It has a vibration to it, so if you plug your ears, you can still hear/feel it. Over the past year, I have experimented with turning off the furnace, the water heater, the fridge, gone down into the basement at 3 in the morning looking for the source of this noise, but have never found it. (Actually, it is least noticeable in the basement.) Curiously, with ALL the power off, this noise/vibration was still there. Someone who was working at my house heard it also. What would you do if you had this noise/vibration in your house? 2.When I got up on Saturday morning, I noticed that there were a lot of cars parked in front of the Episcopal church across the street from me. At first I thought it might be a funeral or perhaps a wedding rehearsal, since there are very rarely cars on Saturday-- but Always on Sunday. Late in the morning, the people came out of the church, and guess who they were? The local public highschool football team--in uniform! All those cars full of teenagers looked so serious and determined as the zoomed off towards the playing fields. Does this mean that the public school football team attends pregame prayer meetings. That the public highschool is playing football for Jesus? Is this kosher? sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Waco and the Press
-Caveat Lector- On 16 Sep 99, , Sean wrote: Here's Ted Koppel, the night of September l, discussing the siezure by federal marshals of tapes of FBI hostage "negotiators", discussing the use of pyrotechnic grenades the morning of the Waco raid: "... the credibility of the FBI, which probably did tell the truth about most of what happened, that credibility is badly damaged, while the credibility of conspiracy theorists, who tend to be wrong about most of what they've spun together about Waco, their credibility is newly enhanced. It is on these two fronts that the greatest damage has been done." It's so absolutely creepy--this business you pinpoint here. There's a part of me that wants to believe that our media and journalists are good guys, out there going after the truthnot merely government stooges corrupted by the bucks. Which they clearly are. Also, of course, if you do watch the news, you are made aware that you live in a totally schizophrenic reality--split between what the media tells you and what is really going on...even if the "truth" may sometimes be somewhere inbetween. The scariest thing about Hurricane Floyd is the massive evacuation. And the way it was going, it looked like the mass of those folks in cars could get caught on the road by the stormnot exactly a very safe place to be. I mean, all those folks from Florida headed North toward the Carolinas where the brunt of the storm was going to hit? This newest mad shooter in a Baptist church--if it is not a "lone nut gunman"--seems calculated to make people fearful of any type of congregationin school, in church, in day camp, at the mall, at the supermarket, on the freeway--you name it. Going out of your house can get you killed...Being with other people in any sort of group situation will more and more be experienced as a threat. And many will become more and more isolated thanks to fear. A nation of agoraphobics? I wonder what the majority of the US population thinks about the news media? After all, the GOP and moneyed elite who is paying for and creating this dog and pony show is a very small percent of the total population. It would be interesting to think that we are a nation of "conspiracy nuts." sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Murdered white Christian kids not newsworthy
-Caveat Lector- On 16 Sep 99, , day wrote: It's a sad day in this country when the murder of white Christian's isn't newsworthy. Who said it isn't newsworthy. You heard it on the news, didn't you? Are you complaining because it should have come before the hurricane? Actually, the majority of Americans are probably members of some Xtian group or sect, so you could say that Hurrican Floyd threatened the lives of millions of Xtians, making it, at the moment, a little more "newsworthy." The idea that Christians are threatened in America seems a little silly and hysterical to me. If Christians choose to go out into hostile territories --like China or Papua New Guinea --determined to convert the natives, then they shouldn't be very surprised if they meet with hostility. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The glorious capitalist free market economic system.
-Caveat Lector- On 16 Sep 99, , Das wrote: Meanwhile, spare the "unjustly" privileged rich and powerful all your insignificant and irrelevant criticism -- your whining, complaining, and other vocalized "mental" noises echoing in your effectless unreality, defined only by an ABSENCE of human BE-ING. "Shit or get off the pot." Flatulence alone CANNOT move mountains. Find yourself a shovel. That's a START, at least. The world won't budge until you finally get off your ass and sweat real sweat ... And if even THAT is still "too much" for you --excuses, excuses!-- DON'T complain if the shovel in SOMEONE ELSE's hand is used AGAINST you, as a WEAPON, whacking you on your damned fool head. You're just in the way. Could you give us some specific examples of what you suggest folks can do against global corporationalists besides whine. Perhaps some examples of what you, specifically, are doing would be helpful. Supporting causes or individuals who espouse causes that might stem the tide does not seem to be having a lot of impact. Are you suggesting armed revolt? mass suicide? Frankly, I'm a little surprised at this coming from you. In part, it sounds a bit like Adolph's view of Germany's Jews. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] One E. Coli on the Rocks
-Caveat Lector- On 10 Sep 99, , Das wrote: -Caveat Lector- 1 Dead, 500 Sick in E.coli Outbreak By JESSE J. HOLLAND .c The Associated Press ALBANY, N.Y. (AP) - Nearly 500 people have been sickened and one child died in the largest E. coli outbreak in state history - and possibly one of the worst nationally - health officials said Thursday. The outbreak of the deadly bacteria at the Washington County Fair, about 35 miles north of Albany, was likely caused by the contamination of the fair's water. This is my neighborhood. Fortunately, I didn't go to the fair, but was planning to go to a wonderful Arts and Crafts Fair that is held on the fairgrounds annually and was scheduled for this weekend. That's been cancelled or moved to another location. Seems to me the "secondary infection" is rather new, that the bacteria can be transferred from one person to another by touch, not by eating something??? sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] (Fwd) [FAIR-L] ALERT: U.S. Role Missing From EastTimor
-Caveat Lector- I'm not watching TV. I'm reading this list. sno0wl On 7 Sep 99, , Bill wrote: Unshackle Yourself. Kill Your TV. Sno0wl wrote: On 6 Sep 99, , Prudence wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 09/06/1999 4:24:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: For example, in reports from East Timor's capital, the Associated Press and some other news outlets continue to use the dateline "Dili, Indonesia," implying that Indonesia has a legitimate claim over East Timor. This formulation is comparable to a dateline of "Kuwait City, Iraq" in the months following Iraq's illegal annexation of Kuwait. The Washington Post (8/31/99) reported that Timorese were voting on "whether to remain a part of Indonesia." According to the television news, the United States has called on Indonesia to restore law and order. We all know how they do that don't we? If you kill off all the folks in East Timor, they can't complain. Just what our Government wants--a peaceful silence. Maybe this time they can send backhoes to dig pits to throw the bodies in. Peaceful silence is nothing when it accompanies the stench of dead bodies. Prudy Tonight's news seems particularly disturbing. It's not just East Timor, it seems to be happening everywhere--Colombia, Brazil, Detroit And wherever it's happening, wherever people want "independence" or equitable labor laws or any kind of fair treatment, the "media" seems to be suggesting that the upstarts are Marxist guerillas or dangerous subversives, liberals or leftists. And everywhere it would seem the US is supporting the suppressive governments and has trained the paramilitary militias and the government armies who are controlling these malcontentsand, of course, if you are an American with a 401k or almost any savings or investments, you are supporting these suppressive governments and they are contributing to your wellbeing and comfort...so can you really say that what they're doing is wrong (if they are moving against the will of their outraged populations to protect American interests?) and you are profiting from it? Why do I sense that the net is being pulled in and that whatever it is --that old beast-- is slouching closer and closer to home I even sense that the Waco revelations, which will focus attention once again on Clinton and Reno--and very rightly so--will deflect criticism from George W. and help him sweep into the presidency. I must be depressedis all sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] no mind control - was: [CTRL] (no subject)
-Caveat Lector- On 7 Sep 99, , Ric wrote: -Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Fred Saluga [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have never been a victim of mind control, but I would be interested in information concerning your organization. What makes you think this is an organization? Do we LOOK organized? How do you know that you've never been subjected to mind control? Wouldn't a sophisticated MC program hide itself, deceiving you to think that you're NOT controlled? How do we know that you're not an agent of a MC group, sent to infiltrate us? Why are you really seeking information about us? What's your program? ROTFLOL Ric, you're hilarious. :)) sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] What really is NLP? [reply]
-Caveat Lector- On 7 Sep 99, , Das wrote: In the late '60s and early '70s I travelled on the periphery of the inner circles out of which came the "New Age," first wave, and I personally witnessed --VERY personally, e.g., in private conversations with many of the notables, who confided in me as "one of them"-- attitudes and behaviors which, if made publicly known then, would have immediately resulted in the founders of most "New Age" groups being seen as knowing, cold-blooded manipulators of people's belief systems for ego, personal power, and for profit above all. As early as 1971, I watched "supersalesman" Jack Rosenbaum aka "Werner Erhard" steal most of what he claimed to have discovered from Silva Mind Control, Alexander Everett's Mind Dynamics, and Scientology and go on to create the first EST seminars; I worked with the person whom Erhard himself had early on groomed to be his protege, on an alternative (and rival praxis) to EST that would've been less cult-like, because it was even by then already recognized as a hyped-marketing mindfuck, with most of its members eerily zombie-like, classic cult-followers of the type that DEFINED the "New Age" that would follow as they wandered on from one "spiritual" movement to another. Back then, I kept company not only with ESToids but with Scientologists (not much difference in psychology and behavior) -- but with the advantage of also knowing L. Ron Hubbard's literary agent, his publisher, his business partner from the days of Dianetics (A. E. van Vogt, who wrote a textbook on hypnosis), and several of Hubbard's first "Operating Thetans," as well as dissatisfied people who had operated in Scientology's "internal security" division, the Guardian's office. As usual, I observed the dissonance between three realms: (1) the con-man mentality and motives of the founder and his closest allies, (2) the uncritical faith and devotion of his students and followers (almost worshipful in a manner deliberately promoted by the founder), and then, judgable in a separate category, (3) the "system" being taught, always with some merit in and of itself but always used primarily as just a platform for developing a profitable marketing machine, a pool of cult-followers to serve the founder's ego-needs, and an authoritarian social structure that served as a private universe totally defined by the founder's needs. BRAVO!!! Goat.Sounds like we've been in a lot of the same places and have drawn much the same conclusions. The downside is the very human need to "belong"--a need that all these groups play on shamelessly, as do traditional religions-- and once you've found the autonomy and developed that cynicism about groups that these experiences engenderwell, you can't be a belonger. In a sense you've found both autonomy and safetybut it's a little lonely out there. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] What really is NLP?
-Caveat Lector- On 4 Sep 99, , Jean wrote: -Caveat Lector- According to a friend of mine who studied NLP, with an eye to setting up a practice, it was devised by the CIA as a means of "interrogation". Neurolinguistic Programming is a variant on mind control techniques in that it installs "alters" to carry out certain tasks and "anchors" or trigger words to evoke certain programmed behavior. It was first used in the private sector to enable salesmen to determine their customers' archilles heels. NLP is a nasty, mind-messing bit of business that began and remains in the very worst hands. Gregory Bateson did the seminal work on the NLP process. From time immemorial there have been books and systems that advance the idea that you can "Win Friends and Influence People," Seduce the Man/Woman of Your Dreams, Exercise Control Over Others and Get Your Way (And A Lot of Money, too.) etc. NLP has always been sold as one of these methods to "give you control over your life (and others). It is a system of mind control, but then so is yoga and every other system of Self Control. NLP may be a little more manipulative--but I don't think it has ever pretended to be anything else. What is the difference between Mind Control--where you are surreptitiously controlled by someone else.and Self Control--where you control yourself and try to influence others to do your bidding and do it Your Way? Every salesman uses this kind of Mind Control. Many people are naturally talented in manipulation of others. Sometimes we say they have "charisma." The ability to manipulate and "influence" others is certainly an element in creating what we define as "success" in America. I think you have to draw the line somewhere. Certainly NLP is blatantly manipulatuve, but is NLP really that sinister? sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] (Fwd) [FAIR-L] ALERT: U.S. Role Missing From East Timor
-Caveat Lector- On 6 Sep 99, , Prudence wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 09/06/1999 4:24:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: For example, in reports from East Timor's capital, the Associated Press and some other news outlets continue to use the dateline "Dili, Indonesia," implying that Indonesia has a legitimate claim over East Timor. This formulation is comparable to a dateline of "Kuwait City, Iraq" in the months following Iraq's illegal annexation of Kuwait. The Washington Post (8/31/99) reported that Timorese were voting on "whether to remain a part of Indonesia." According to the television news, the United States has called on Indonesia to restore law and order. We all know how they do that don't we? If you kill off all the folks in East Timor, they can't complain. Just what our Government wants--a peaceful silence. Maybe this time they can send backhoes to dig pits to throw the bodies in. Peaceful silence is nothing when it accompanies the stench of dead bodies. Prudy Tonight's news seems particularly disturbing. It's not just East Timor, it seems to be happening everywhere--Colombia, Brazil, Detroit And wherever it's happening, wherever people want "independence" or equitable labor laws or any kind of fair treatment, the "media" seems to be suggesting that the upstarts are Marxist guerillas or dangerous subversives, liberals or leftists. And everywhere it would seem the US is supporting the suppressive governments and has trained the paramilitary militias and the government armies who are controlling these malcontentsand, of course, if you are an American with a 401k or almost any savings or investments, you are supporting these suppressive governments and they are contributing to your wellbeing and comfort...so can you really say that what they're doing is wrong (if they are moving against the will of their outraged populations to protect American interests?) and you are profiting from it? Why do I sense that the net is being pulled in and that whatever it is --that old beast-- is slouching closer and closer to home I even sense that the Waco revelations, which will focus attention once again on Clinton and Reno--and very rightly so--will deflect criticism from George W. and help him sweep into the presidency. I must be depressedis all sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Bomb that gave Clinton victory
-Caveat Lector- On 4 Sep 99, , Bill wrote: These are not idle questions. A family that lost two children in the day-care center has accused the Justice Department of a cover-up. After conducting their own private investigation for the past 18 months Glenn and Cathy Wilburn have amassed evidence suggesting that the government had prior knowledge of the bombing -- and negligently failed to stop it... The Wilburns, and their daughter Eyde Smith, have now taken their case to the Oklahoma courts. In a civil lawsuit they have named two men -- Michael Brescia and a former German army officer, Andreas Strassmeir -- as alleged accomplices of McVeigh. They have accused the Justice Department of failing to pursue all the conspirators because one or more of them were federal informants who had penetrated the bombing ring. I think in the time that has since elapsed, the Wilburns either dropped or were unsuccessful with their suit. I seem to remember them making "excuses" which suggested that they were overwhelmed or pressured and, finding they could make no headway, decided they had to "get on with their lives." I believe that the two men mentioned above were connected to the same "white supremacist" group that Buford Fowler--the LA Jewish Center shooter--was traced to. My memory could be faulty but my attention was flagged and it seemed to me that there was a link here that someone could follow. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Truth From Feds Is Hard to Find [Waco]
-Caveat Lector- On 3 Sep 99, , Bard wrote: ruth From Feds Is Hard to Find -- -- By Jennifer G. Hickey -- -- After years of denials, the FBI has said it used flammable tear gas during the siege of the Branch Davidian compound. What does that say about government by the people, for the people? The Cover-Up Game is actually a stall tactic. If you can delay an investigation for 10-50 years, then drag it through panels, studies, commissions, and courts for another quartr of a century, all the leading players will be either retired, doddering, or dead--and thus have attained their objective. The deed is done and the perpetrators get off scott free. Furthermore, all those who were affected or who cared passionately about the matter will also be dead, retired, or past caring and the general public of that future time will only take note of an interesting historical curiosity. That's modern justice for ya. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] 3rd World Disease In New York. Malathion To Be Sprayed.
-Caveat Lector- On 4 Sep 99, , William wrote: Helicopters filled with Malathion, described as a "quite safe" insecticide, began spraying sections of College Point, Whitestone and Auburndale for two hours from 6:45 p.m. Malathion is pretty deadly, totally toxic stuff. I think they gave major public warnings and even did some evacuations when they used it in California. Do they still use it in California? . sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Should we trust the government?
-Caveat Lector- YOU GO, GIRL (A little mutual admiration never hurts :)) ) On 4 Sep 99, , Prudence wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 09/02/1999 7:02:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In the face of this unprecedented attack on American citizens by agents of their own government, a deadly assault that sparked the militia movement as well as the bombing of the Federal Building in Oklahoma City, an unprecedented silence befell the press. No one stepped forward to be the Davidians friend, writes Richard Shweder, author of Thinking Through Cultures, in the New York Times. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms spent months planning and rehearsing the largest law enforcement operation of its 200-year history. This turned out to be a major military operation, worthy of a police state, carried out against the domestic residence of an unpopular and readily stigmatized religious community. The ACLU does not like guns, and its very busy, so it didnt get involved. The religious leaders of our country do not like cults, and the womens movement does not like patriarchal living arrangements, so they didnt much care. And no one wanted to seem sympathetic to child abuse or unsympathetic to the FBI. I don't know anyone who "trusts" the Government. Trust is not important here. And will you people quit baying about IMPEACHMENT. Just what good does or would it do? I'm so tired of all this basically partisan nonsense. Janet Reno is not fully to blame for WACO or Ruby Ridge and neither is Clinton. Our nation's entire police and intelligence systems have evolved into a league of crazed gestapo-types, and you think impeachment would have an affect on that? We have problems in this town, which is barely a hundred thousand. Police officers are required who are not "too intelligent." God forbid that we place authority and arms in the hands of anyone who has a high IQ. The police in New York City and most other major cities are treating the citizens who pay their wages as a cross between preferred targets and marks (an old Carney term), and you want to impeach the president? There is a lot here that needs to be done. Why do our national agencies that are supposed to be protecting us and our interests behave like badly trained television swat teams? What happened to bravery and brains? What happeded to the low key and very effective presence that used to be law enforcement? Police were always present, but they didn't feel obligated to shoot or beat up every citizen who bumped into them. Why do they now? There's a lot that needs to be done here, and I suggest that citizens start finding a way that they can be saved from the police and federal agencies which now seem only to be looking for excuses to abuse them. It has nothing to do with Clinton or Reno. It didn't start with Clinton's administration, and it won't stop with a Republican in the White House either. Remember all that "LAW AND ORDER" you wanted? Well to carefully recruited, not too smart folks who are now serving as our nation's finest. That means, lock and load and go get em' Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not
Re: [CTRL] FW: Homeopathy
-Caveat Lector- On 3 Sep 99, , William wrote: -Caveat Lector- Homeopathy: The Ultimate Fake Stephen Barrett, M.D. Homeopathic "remedies" enjoy a unique status in the health marketplace: They are the only category of quack products legally marketable as drugs. This situation is the result of two circumstances. First, the 1938 Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act, which was shepherded through Congress by a homeopathic physician who was a senator, recognizes as drugs all substances included in the Homeopathic Pharmacopeia of the United States. Second, the FDA has not held homeopathic products to the same standards as other drugs. Today they are marketed in health-food stores, in pharmacies, in practitioner offices, by multilevel distributors [A], through the mail, and on the Internet. I really don't want to poke my nose into your debate, but when you find the right homeopathic remedy for a symptom, it seems to work right away. I have found homeopathic remedies exceedingly helpful for both myself and my pets. And I really have no idea why they should work--but it appears to me, pragmatically, that they do, when other more "traditional" alternatives" have failed me. So far, I have used homeopathic remedies successfully for arthritic-like conditons, colds, flues, and allergies and have found them remarkably effective. You do have to experiment because they don't work until you find the "right" remedy. Then it works almost instantly to relieve the conditon. My pharmacist is Indian, and while he spends all day filling medical prescriptions, he carries a full line of herbal and homeopathic remedies. For which I am very grateful. I can't really argue with something that works. And no--I am not anti-science, although I do believe the medical establishment is more involved with its own egos and profits than with actually healing folks. Latest word on the cutting edge--HIV has little or nothing to do with AIDS. It's HHV-6, related to the herpes virus, which most of us carry, and which is usually dormant within our systems, that is doing the real damage. HHV-6 is suspected of being the active agent in MS and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome too. Virologists who are working on this theory have been fighting the AIDS establishment for years to have their case heard--while folks keep on dying. As Vonnegut said so pithily: So it goes. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] When GPS meets cell phones
-Caveat Lector- On 3 Sep 99, , Kris wrote: -Caveat Lector- from: http://www.msnbc.com/news/306775.asp A HREF="http://www.msnbc.com/news/306775.asp"When GPS meets cell phones/A - When GPS meets cell phonesPolice will know exactly where those 911 calls are made, and a host of other fun services will followBy Bob Sullivan MSNBC Sept. 1 Shalene Wilson was in big trouble. Two men had overpowered her, stabbed her, thrown her in a car trunk and driven away. But in a stroke of what might seem like amazing luck, they did not realize she had a mobile phone. She called local police in Albany, Ore., begging for help but they were helpless. In this case, 911 proved just about useless: The police had no idea where Wilson was calling from, and neither did she. They spent the better part of the next 24 hours searching in vain, combing the town block by block while precious time ticked away. A new technology which would have told police precisely where Wilson was hadnt arrived in time to help. Several years ago, Dean Koontz wrote a novel where the hero is tracked by GPS by through the deserts of the SW by the evil gummint that wants to stop him. "Dark Rivers of the Heart"? sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Let's hear it foi Rudy Guiliani
-Caveat Lector- Many people seem to think of New York as a scary town. As a native-born Manhattanite, I've never really found it that scarey, considering how many millions of people live there. However, a recent event really made my hair stand on end. I don't have the exact details, but it seems that in the early hours of one morning a week or two ago, a group of six armed police broke into the apartment of a man on NY's Upper East Side, woke him at gunpoint, dragged him out of his building in handcuffs and shackles and hauled him off to jail. His crime? His little dog--looked something like a cute little Shitzuh (a little tiny dog)-- didn't have a license. This man had been ticketed and had failed to appear at a court hearing for having an unlicensed dog. Can you imagine? The story made the front pages of the Daily News. That, and the fact that you can now get a $200 ticket for getting caught in a traffic intersection (causing gridlock) have made NYC a very scarey town. Let's hear it for Rudy Guiliani. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] CAMELOT KILLINGS - The Murder of JFK Jr. and the Sisters Bi7
-Caveat Lector- On 8 Aug 99, , Kris wrote: -Caveat Lector- from alt.conspiracy - As always, Caveat Lector. Om K - A HREF="aol://5863:126/alt.conspiracy:542844"CAMELOT KILLINGS - The Murder of JFK Jr. and the Sisters Bissette/A - Subject: CAMELOT KILLINGS - The Murder of JFK Jr. and the Sisters Bissette From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (GroomWatch) Date: Fri, 06 August 1999 02:49 AM EDT Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] "CAMELOT KILLINGS" The Murder of JFK Jr. and the Sisters Bissette by Anthony J. Hilder The Kennedy killing reeks with the stench of murder. The smell of disinformation and misinformation laced with outright lies concerning the JFK crash rises from the "managed media" as if from a cauldron of crap. Thousands of hours of hyperbole, stock footage of young Kennedy as a boy in Camelot, quotes of his murdered father, of Jackie Onassis, footage from the Kennedy compound, puff stories showing Junior's human side, and hours of the faithful dropping off flowers outside of his New York apartment inundated the airwaves - but not so much as a moment of time was devoted to airing "the truth" as to how the Prince of Camelot came to meet the Grim Reaper. If JFK, Jr. was the victim of foul play--as many postings here seem to strongly support-- it is interesting to speculate on what kind of pressure could be brought to bear on the remaining Kennedys and the Bissettes so that they would make not so much as a peep about it. The lack of noise from the larger public seems to imply a sort of exhaustion--which is what the whole Clinton/:Lewinsky scandal and impeachment accomplished. That exhaustion would seem to extend to interest in Bush's cocaine use (which certainly is, at the very least, a case of double standards since Clinton's youthful indiscretions have been done to death.). Whatever has happened or whatever is going on, it does seem that anyone with major public clout who has won public sympathy through a show of genuine "humanity" and "compassion" has been very publiclly snuffed. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Looking behind the Bushes
-Caveat Lector- On 7 Aug 99, , Kris wrote: Looking behind the Bushes Little noted or little remembered moments in the life of George Bush Sr., his family, and his pals This article appeared in the Progressive Review during the 1992 campaign You really gotta give these guys credit for getting things done...and getting away with it,. too. No questions asked. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] How to go brain dead in easy links
-Caveat Lector- On 4 Aug 99, , piper wrote: http://freeweb.digiweb.com/science_fiction/ThePiedPiper/chem.htm How many of you realize that the brain cells are nerve cells that have myelin sheaths on them? check out the Canola Oil and how it strips the myelin sheath off of nerves! Grapeseed oil is a wonderful alternative. For some reason it is available in my local Grand Union. Actually, it is distributed under the Grand Union label. If you don't see it on the shelf, ask the manager. If they don't have it, they can get it for you and may start stocking it. The other source is health food stores, but it is probably cheaper in the GU. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: SNET: Confirmation: $30 million of White United Natio
-Caveat Lector- On 5 Aug 99, , Nicola wrote: Bastrop.. AllTexas News Nestled behind a hillside, just out of sight from busy Highway 95 in Bastrop County, Texas, lies a growing fleet of nearly a thousand showroom-new SUVs, 4WD pickups, suburbans and vans. These vehicles are not overflow storage for an overstocked dealer. This fleet is owned by the federal government. All the vehicles are U.N. White. The Catch-22 is that anyone tries to do anything about it creates an excuse to use them. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Sexual coercion by young women growing ?
-Caveat Lector- On 5 Aug 99, , YnrChyldzWyld wrote: Altho I've heard some guys claim they had sex with females who 'pressured' them, because the guys said they felt that if they didn't, their 'manhood' would be questioned Part of the old, standard college line. Seems to me I remember that if you weren't willing or showed reluctance, the first thing the guy said was that you were --or probably were--"frigid." Same old same old. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Drought
-Caveat Lector- Drought Is Worst Since Depression." Washington Post, 2 Aug 99, A1, A7. "Temperatures Drop Across the Midwest." Washington Times, 2 Aug 99, A6. In the mid-Atlantic and Northeast U.S. the ground is drier than it has been since the Great Depression according to Agriculture Secretary Dan Glickman. While just an inconvenience to some, the drought has devastated farmers and acres of corn and soybeans. 182 people have died from the sweltering temperatures in the northeast half of the United States, 30 in Chicago. A statewide emergency was declared for Maryland last week and 11 localities in Virginia have asked for federal disaster assistance. The East Coast is also suffering from poor air quality, worsened by the heat and drought. New York's smog conditions are the worst they have been in a decade. With no relief in sight, water restrictions have been enforced in several areas. Food prices are not expected to increase significantly. I heard some commentator on the evenings news (NBC) talking about the drought and saying that these conditions would go on "for decades." (Sorry, didn't catch the name or rank or serial number). If the government is not tampering with the weather, how can they possibly know that? sno0wl sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [Alert!] U.S. buildup in Colombia? (fwd)
llas up to $500 million a year in protection money. ``If we can do away with the drug traffickers, the guerrillas will not have the capacity to subsist at their current levels,'' one U.S. official said. Others add that by strengthening its underequipped army, Colombia's government will be able to negotiate from a position of greater strength. What do I think? The United States is highly unlikely to commit combat troops to Colombia. But some influential hard-liners in Washington are whispering that if 55 U.S. military advisors helped to defeat a leftist insurgency in El Salvador in the 1980s, the same could be done in Colombia. I would not be surprised if the next U.S. president -- especially if it's a Republican -- follows that road. = David L. Wilson * 212-674-9499 * [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you can't spell it, don't bomb it! -- Anonymous = DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Serb hunting.
-Caveat Lector- On 4 Aug 99, , Mrs. wrote: -Caveat Lector- The Committee for National Solidarity Tolstojeva 34, 11000 Belgrade, YU A student of mine, Greek-American, bicycle maniac, toured Kosovo in the 1980s. When he asked the Albanian dudes what they did for fun, their answer was: "Serb hunting". pera These posts are deeply disturbing. The anger and hatred and ongoing outrage they reflect certainly makes me feel that Serbs and Albanians, Christians and Muslins, in this region should have been left alone until there was only one of each left standing. It certainly makes it sound as if any attempt to recreate a civilized country where differences are handled rationally is just about doomed. Vengeance is infinite and only ends when everyone involved in the conflict is dead. The notion of "sacred land" that "belongs" to those who have built churches on it has caused bloodshed since the beginning of time. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] IN DEFENSE OF SMOKERS - Chapter 6: The Propaganda Machine
-Caveat Lector- On 28 Jul 99, , Kris wrote: -Caveat Lector- from: http://www.lcolby.com/b-chap6.htm A HREF="http://www.lcolby.com/b-chap6.htm""In Defence of Smokers", by Lauren A. Colby / C /A - The whole book is online. Om K - IN DEFENSE OF SMOKERS © 1999, Lauren A. Colby. Version 2.3Chapter 6: The Propaganda Machine Chapter 6: The Propaganda Machine Beginning in the early 1950's, the American Cancer Society started to wage war against smoking. Later, the government took up the cudgel and, today, there is a government agency, the Office of Smoking and Health, dedicated to stamping out smoking. Unfortunately, the government propaganda is often predicated upon assertions which are simply untrue. In many instances, these are examples of the "LaLonde effect". The whole anti-smoking campaign has always seemed to me an enormous boondoggle. What with all the carcinogenic pesticides in our air and water and on our food, not to mention toxic emissions from all the vehicles that traverse the country and jam city streets, how the medical industry can tell which respiratory illnesses came from tobacco and which from all the other toxic pollutants in our environment has always been a mystery to me. The effect of the anti-smoking campaign has mostly been --all going to lawyers who are making a fortune from those who continue to smoke and now pay up to $3.50 a pack or $35 a carton for cigarettes, at least a third of this "taxes." In fact, it is an outrageous swindle. While I do not doubt that smoking causes some illnesses and some fatalities, the warnings on the packages have been loud and clear for years and years, putting the responsibility in smokers hands.. What I want to see now is "victims" suing the liquor industry when accidents are caused by drivers who have had a drink or two...or families are devastated by alcoholism. Not something I expect to see in my lifetime. Some years ago, the New York Times ran a short article naming at least six kinds of cancer that smoking helped prevent. Wish I still had that article. Also, it might be interesting to know what the particular gripe was against Phillip Morris, who seemed especially generous and active in supporting and promoting philantrhopic and cultural actiivities. It would also be interesting to see a truly responsible study of any decline in teenage smoking and its relation to other drug use. I would expect to see any decline in teen smoking accompanied by a rise in the use of other drugs including marijuana and hard drugs, since some part of smoking is connected to tension release. Curiously, I think nicotine is the only "drug" that generally increases alertness and does not impair motor function, while all the others seem to cause some degree of "impairment" and involve serious "anti-social" behavior to procure--behavior which can have extremely serious and more immediate consequences than death at 80 from respiratory illness. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] A message from the owners
-Caveat Lector- On 29 Jul 99, , Bill wrote: -Caveat Lector- Thanks to Mary Drake and Midori Kurai... Editorial 6/04/99 A Letter From The Keepers Dearest Citizens of the World, I believe the time has come to reveal to you some of the perplexities you have faced in recent decades. It is well for you to understand some of these things so that you might know how to behave in the New Order now taking shape in the earth. We want you to be able to become fully involved and integrated into our new society. After all, this is for your best interest if you will do this. --- I've been watching the PBS series on the Kennedys and seeing the events of the past decades so condensed, one can't help but see "the Keepers" hand behind events, making sure that no one--however bright, daring, energetic, intelligent, courageous, or appealing their effort-- interferes with the agenda. Last night's episode took us through Bobby's assassination and Teddy's troubles at Chappaquidick. Many notable figures have made an appearance on the stage. The one figure most notable by his absence is that of GWB. In spite of his "homespun" performance, I keep envisioning him as that dark, sininster, caped figure that dominated the ads for "Amadeus." It also strikes me that if the Kennedys themselves had any idea of an organized "force" working against them, they have never said a word or pointed a finger. Well, they were master "gameplayers" and perhaps they just knew that wasn't how the game was played. Not in the rules. And the game IS played by the rules. But if they-- with all the money and power and public support they have had at their disposal-- couldn't do it, what makes us think we can? sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Why some of us fear Clinton?
-Caveat Lector- On 24 Jul 99, , William quoted someone who said: Well, it is time someone explained the right's fear of Bill Clinton. For if any of us hate Bill Clinton -- and certainly we shouldn't hate anyone, as the Bible says -- it is fear, at bottom, that inspires us. This is not a proud acknowledgement, but an honest one. Some of us really do fear Clinton. We experience his term in office as a dangerous time, as a time in which American institutions are exposed to corruption and degradation. It is a time when freedom is imperiled at home and national security is weakened abroad. Left? Liberal? It should be apparent by now that Bill is merely the opening act for the main attraction which is coming to this nation-- An "entre acte" kind of thing or intermission or a distraction, designed to pave the way for George2. I can't imagine that anyone who could really be called "left" or "liberal" would have a ghost of a chance in these times when even dead center is considered radically, dangerously "left." First Reagan, then Bush, then Clinton, then Bush--and who is that little man behind the curtain making the calls and pushing the buttons? sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Kennedy Tragedies Linked To 'Risk-Taking Gene' - Israeli ex
-Caveat Lector- On 21 Jul 99, , Ric wrote: Newborns as young as two weeks who have the gene are more alert and curious about the outside world, he said. Obviously, what we need are more babies born who are less alert and less curious about the outside world. Luckily, now that the gene has been pinpointed, we can catch these dangerous babies, nipping them in the bud, so to speak, before they can get a real foothold and f@#$k up our peaceful little world. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] John John
-Caveat Lector- I've been away for a bit and just returned. Don't know whether the following has already been discussed regarding the downing of John Jr.'s plane http://www.trufax.org/hotmail/montauk.html and then, on another list, someone posted this, saying--and I certainly can't verify this-- that it was tested last Friday Big Bang machine could destroy Earth by Jonathan Leake Science Editor A NUCLEAR accelerator designed to replicate the Big Bang is under investigation by international physicists because of fears that it might cause "perturbations of the universe" that could destroy the Earth. One theory even suggests that it could create a black hole. Brookhaven National Laboratories (BNL), one of the American government's foremost research bodies, has spent eight years building its Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider (RHIC) on Long Island in New York state. A successful test-firing was held on Friday and the first nuclear collisions will take place in the autumn, building up to full power around the time of the millennium. Last week, however, John Marburger, Brookhaven's director, set up a committee of physicists to investigate whether the project could go disastrously wrong. It followed warnings by other physicists that there was a tiny but real risk that the machine, the most powerful of its kind in the world, had the power to create "strangelets" - a new type of matter made up of sub-atomic particles called "strange quarks". The committee is to examine the possibility that, once formed, strangelets might start an uncontrollable chain reaction that could convert anything they touched into more strange matter. The committee will also consider an alternative, although less likely, possibility that the colliding particles could achieve such a high density that they would form a mini black hole. In space, black holes are believed to generate intense gravitational fields that suck in all surrounding matter. The creation of one on Earth could be disastrous. Professor Bob Jaffe, director of the Centre for Theoretical Physics at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, who is on the committee, said he believed the risk was tiny but could not be ruled out. "There have been fears that strange matter could alter the structure of anything nearby. The risk is exceedingly small but the probability of something unusual happening is not zero." Construction of the £350m RHIC machine started eight years ago and is almost complete. On Friday scientists sent the first beam of particles around the machine - but without attempting any collisions. Inside the collider, atoms of gold will be stripped of their outer electrons and pumped into one of two 2.4-mile circular tubes where powerful magnets will accelerate them to 99.9% of the speed of light. The ions in the two tubes will travel in opposite directions to increase the power of the collisions. When they smash into each other, at one of several intersections between the tubes, they will generate minuscule fireballs of superdense matter with temperatures of about a trillion degrees - 10,000 times hotter than the sun. Such conditions are thought not to have existed - except possibly in the heart of some dense stars - since the Big Bang that formed the universe between 12 billion and 15 billion years ago. Under such conditions atomic nuclei "evaporate" into a plasma of even smaller particles called quarks and gluons. Theoretical and experimental evidence predicts that such a plasma would then emit a shower of other, different particles as it cooled down. Among the particles predicted to appear during this cooling are strange quarks. These have been detected in other accelerators but always attached to other particles. RHIC, the most powerful such machine yet built, has the ability to create solitary strange quarks for the first time since the universe began. BNL confirmed that there had been discussion over the possibility of "perturbations in the universe". Thomas Ludlam, associate project director of RHIC, said that the committee would hold its first meeting shortly. John Nelson, professor of nuclear physics at Birmingham University who is leading the British scientific team at RHIC, said the chances of an accident were infinitesimally small - but Brookhaven had a duty to assess them. "The big question is whether the planet will disappear in the twinkling of an eye. It is astonishingly unlikely that there is any risk - but I could not prove it," he said. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread th
[CTRL] Kennedy Down
-Caveat Lector- I've been off the list for a time so someone else may already have noted this but: Last night, around 8 o'clock. I went to my home page which contains top news stories from Reuters.There was an article stating that the Coast Guard had found something and would soon make an announcement. The spokesman stated that what they had found could spark a serious "investigation" that might last some time. I went back to the some place an hour later and that story had been replaced by another. All the previous stories were listed below it--but the above story about the Coast Guard being about to make an "announcement" was not among them. It had just vanished. Not again Did anyone else see the story about the impending Coast Guard announcement? sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Say NO To Socialized Health Care Today!
-Caveat Lector- On 4 Jun 99, , M.A. wrote: -Caveat Lector- William Hugh Tunstall wrote: There's always a certain percentage of the population that is unable to work for a variety of physical/psychological reasons...disabilities, mental health problems, etc. MJ: Does this provide them with a 'special right' to steal from others or have their agent do so for them? As to 'healthcare' ... getting the government OUT of all facets will reduce the costs to 5-10% of current ... restrict Government to its Constitutional limitations and one effectively doubles their income ... this provides MORE resources which go farther to those who would prefer to spend other people's money on their pet causes -- in other words, this allows people to put THEIR money where their mouth is. What you're not talking about is corruption---corruption in the insurance industry, corruption in the medical industry (at the top levels of the AMA). These guys are so powerful that everyone does "get out of their way," thus enabling them to take the lion's share and leave a pittance for real "health care." All the monies for health care are already in richly lined private pockets. It is corruption in government that allows this sick situation to continue. If it got any "freer", actual doctors and hospitals would get absolutely zilch and the insurance guys and the very top of the medical profession would laugh all the way to the bank while all the rest of us died in the streets. Actually, this is already happening. The insurance companies--to keep their profits high--are closing down and "merging" one hospital after another. Your tax dollars are going into the pockets of these guys...not to pay for health care for the poor. Get real. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] TOO CLOSE TO THE REAL TRUTH??
-Caveat Lector- On 2 Jun 99, , Yardbird wrote: -Caveat Lector- Well...what exactly qualifies you to be an idiot? :) On Wed, 2 Jun 1999, E Mael wrote: -Caveat Lector- so all of this makes you a qualified idiot. sell it someplace else where somebody gives a damn. [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: -Caveat Lector- Attached is my Resume' Byron Weeks, MD INTERNAL MEDICINE, RECERTIFIED 1977 February 1998 CURRICULUM VITAE [Retired 1995 due to Hypertensive Heart Disease, Degenerative Joint Disease] Byron T. Weeks, MD Magna cum Laude gradute of the University of Utah 1951 [Check with them} This is absolutely deja vu.I remember Dr. Weeks posting his resume on SNETNEWS--was it two years ago?? sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: Post This] WARNING!
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Re: [CTRL] Leave Those Kids Alone
-Caveat Lector- On 29 May 99, , Das wrote: -Caveat Lector- And you wonder why Trenchcoat Mafiosi want to blow up the school? I was recently having a chat with a very sane, upright lady in her mid-sixties. She has children and grandchildren and is part of a huge family whose patriarch is my next-door neighbor. She had come with her husband to pay a weekend visit. It was evening and we were standing out on the lush lawn in a rural village when the sirens at the fire station went off. My companion got very excited and wondered where the trouble was. The firehouse is down at the corner, so you can see the trucks leaving from the front lawn. My companion got very excited, recalling how, as children, they all used to come running out of the house when the siren went off to see which directions the fire trucks would go in. Then suddenly she was talking about the night the school--the old school--bruned down. The great glee in her voice was not muted by the intervening years. Memory was sharp and the sense of recalled pleasure...like a dream come true...was there in her voice. She was grinning from ear to earThen she was laughing with the remembrance... Burning down the school has been a fantasy for many ...and probably goes back to the time when schools first began. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] Nazi ism = New Age?]
-Caveat Lector- On 28 May 99, , Robert wrote: -Caveat Lector- "Taylor, John (JH)" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- SECULAR HISTORIAN SETS OUT TO SHOW DEEP OCCULT ROOTS OF NAZISM, BUT PROVES NAZISM AND NEW AGE ARE IDENTICAL! http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1185.cfm Today, we shall review a most interesting and informative book entitled, "The Occult Roots of Nazism: Secret Aryan Cults And Their Influence on Nazi Ideology", by Nicholas Goodrick-Clarke, New York University Press, New York, 1992. If you are a New Age adherent, we urge you to carefully and thoughtfully consider the revelations contained within this article. You will discover that your beloved New Age is nothing more than Nazism hiding behind a mask of "Love", "Peace", and "Safety". You are worshipping Satan without realizing it. snipped for bandwidth I won't deny that German romantic occultism had much in common with present-day "New Age" beliefs. But this essay represents a serious misunderstanding of Goodrich-Clarke's book. The whole point is that there was no widespread occult conspiracy behind Nazism. There was a hodge-podge of very small cults, all of them extremely intellectual, which overlapped to a considerable degree with German Theosophy and Anthroposophy. A few members of the German political and social elite became members of one or another of these cults. Popular culture did absorb a lot of the jargon and symbols of the cults, such as the swastika; but to proclaim that German occultism was Satanic, and to identify nineteenth-century German occultism with the modern Western New Age movement, is naive and foolish. Are there common elements? Certainly. But there is NO overarching conspiracy involved--by the very nature of the New Age movement, any attempt to coordinate, let alone control, its very disparate elements is inevitably doomed to failure. And that happens to be the most important lesson to be drawn from Goodrich-Clarke's book. If you read nothing else from this book, read the appendix dissecting modern so-called "scholarship" on the occult connections of the Nazis such as Pauwels and Bergier. Goodrich-Clarke is scathing in his assessment of their incompetence as scholars. The point I remember Pawels and Bergier making most strongly was the Nazi rejection of Western science in order to support their notions of Aryan "genetic superiority," The Hollow Earth Theory, and other "far out" notions which have just recently come forward again and are being discussed in some quarters with some enthusiasm. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Nazi ism = New Age?
-Caveat Lector- On 27 May 99, , Taylor, wrote: Horrified Western historians were unified in their inability to understand how the "Christian" Germany of Martin Luther could have become the Satanic Germany of Adolf Hitler. Seems to me that Martin Luther was decidedly anti-Semitic, so it would not be a very great leap from Luther to Hitler. I worry that there seem to be so many people today who think everyone who is not directly connected with a Xtian faith that focuses on the divinity of Jesus must be, in some way, involved with "Satan." This is particularly worrisome because, throughout world history, the "Divine" figure has been related to the the zodiacal sign related to the precession of the equinoxes. In the Age of Taurus, Apis, the Bull, was considered divine. In the Age of Aries, it was Rama. In the Age of Pisces, the Fish, it has been Jesus. Since we are now moving out of Pisces and into the Age of Aquarius, a new divinity may well be in order. And what worries me is that this notion may whip present Christians into a destructive millenial frenzy in an attempt to hold onto old ways and to traditions of the past. Anton LeVey and Aleister Crowley are not the whole of the "New Age," which is certainly not a single, cohesive "movement." I am not even necessarily supportive of what now passes for "New Age," some of which seems to me downright silly. I just find it dangerous to think that everyone who does not "believe in" the Bible or regard Jesus as divine must necessarily be regarded as tied to forces of "evil." It is a way of demonizing people and then, of course, if we regard certain people as "evil," why shouldn't we do something to get rid of them. Seems like a circle that leads right back to Hitler. And Martin Luther, who would have agreed. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Senate bans some bomb making info from the Internet
-Caveat Lector- On 21 May 99, , CobolMage wrote: SEC. 402. CRIMINAL PROHIBITION ON DISTRIBUTION OF CERTAIN INFORMATION RELATING TO EXPLOSIVES, DESTRUCTIVE DEVICES, AND WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION. Now, does this mean that if a person is taught how to make these devices in the armed services and then uses such a device later, as a civilian, the armed services cam be sued for teaching him? The notion that you can be held criminally responsible for teaching someone something that is later used in the commission of a crime is a dangerous notion.Teaching, then, becomes a potentially dangerous activity...unless, of course, one teaches strictly by the government approved text. And even then, one careless speculation and... Boy--Freedom of speech sure is closing down fast. The Palladin Press and the Oliver Stone cases are really disturbing. If you can be held responsible for writing something --or producing a work of art or fiction--which someone then uses --or choses to immitate--in the commission of a crime, then everyone's life suddenly becomes very dangerous, indeed. Does this mean that crime and mystery writers will be feeling the pinch next, since they do write about and often explain how crimes are committed. Sounding more like Stalinist Russia every day. And I'm not talking about Communism, either. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Police Have no DUTY to Protect Individuals
-Caveat Lector- On 14 May 99, , Teo wrote: -Caveat Lector- This is a great essay, thanks for posting it! It seems to me, especially in light of the Columbine police debacle, that the police are out to get a paycheck and serve the rich and powerful, not us ordinary Joe's. We all have to defend ourselves from criminals AND the police. If they bust in your door at 4:00 AM with a warrant they got based upon the word of a drug addict (who gave your address just to try and get off of a lesser charge) or come to your house through a "clerical error" I suggest you robustly defend your home and shoot them. We'll see how long it is that "no knock" warrants stay in effect then if they start dropping like flies. Some police do a good job, but a LOT of them are PIGS just like they said back in the day. You may or may not have noticed, in your examination of the media for those nasty "liberal" values, but many interesting and exciting movies and tv features over the past few decades--including The Fugitive--are based on a version of the plot where someone is murdered and either the police do nothing or arrest the wrong person. Then the person who has lost someone to the murderer or the person who has been wrongly arrested must (escape and ) solve the case by him/herself in order to either avoid being wrongly accused and tossed in jail (and/or legally executed) or find the real killer. This is one of the most common plots we have going these days. It would certainly suggest police incompetence--and/or negligence. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
