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On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 8:23 PM, Robert Bruninga wrote: > By charging during the day! Yep, that's what I wrote originally: >> If everybody gets an EV, and everybody charges it at night, >> that's a lot of nighttime emissions. So, like I said, if you're charging your EV at

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> From: "j...@k6ccc.org" > >> Can you provide some evidence that "it does not change the generation mix at >> all?" > > Absolutely. At least around here, the renewable sourced electricity goes > into the system regardless... this data [NO SOURCE CITED] is a few years old, >

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gt; > out of digging all the copper and cobalt needed for stationary storage. > > > > > > Unfortunately not practical. Transmission line losses if nothing else > > would rule it out. There are other issues as well. > > > > > > Jim > > >

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As our sysop, David, said this thread is ot because I am not driving an EV at this time (true). But hopefully (as he said) it will have detail useful for those that are. I appreciate all your opinions, and later I may want to take Willie up on his generous offer (thank you) to have my vehicle be

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Michael Ross said (in part): The grid is a super storage medium. If we were more interconnected worldwide, then a series of large solar arrays could do it all. You just need enough of them facing the sun at any given time and then batteries can take their better place as mobile storage. This

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needed for stationary storage. > > > Unfortunately not practical. Transmission line losses if nothing else > would rule it out. There are other issues as well. > > > Jim > > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <htt

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Michael Ross via EV wrote: The context of these comments it the idea that stored electric power in batteries can take over from fossil fuel energy; and that the capability in batteries is "there." I don't believe it. Let's see... Wikipedia says the 2016 peak CA load was 46,232 Mw on July 27

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On 01/04/2018 12:40 PM, Cor van de Water via EV wrote: Bruce, Why all the haste to get a TX title while DMVs are notorious for taking ~6 weeks to even open their mail? One of my (former) colleagues worked for our company in GA but then was Just a thought to wait a little for this to get

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clean power" accomplishes nothing. You are not getting any > different power than if you weren't paying the extra, and it does not > change the generation mix at all. Maybe it makes people feel better, and > it potentially helps to send a political message, but it

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t; >> -- > > Michael E. Ross > > (919) 585-6737 Land > > (19) 901-2805 Cell and Text > > (919) 576-0824 <https://www.google.com/voice/b/0?pli=1#phones> Tablet, > > Google Phone and Text > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.avg.com/ema

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You are also leaving out the energy necessary to refine the gasoline. An electric car can go 20 miles on the energy it take to make gasoline Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 4, 2018, at 11:36 AM, Ken Olum via EV wrote: > > From: Robert Bruninga > Date:

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On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 2:43 PM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: >> If everybody gets an EV, and everybody charges it at night, >> that's a lot of nighttime emissions. > > Not if those same people put up say 12 solar panels and produced into the > grid during the day what they

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> Solar alone doesn't fully mitigate the emissions of EVs > unless you charge the EV when the sun is shining. A common misunderstanding of net metering. It doesn't matter when the solar owner charges, as long as he has produced enough solar banked into the grid to meet that load later on. The

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be it makes people feel better, and > it potentially helps to send a political message, but it accomplishes > nothing. > > > > > 73 > - > Jim Walls - K6CCC > j...@k6ccc.org > -- next part -- > An HTML attachm

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g/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/ >> group/NEDRA) >> >> > > > -- > Michael E. Ross > (919) 585-6737 Land > (19) 901-2805 Cell and Text > (919) 576-0824 <https://www.google.com/voice

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> From: "j...@k6ccc.org" > > That is such a crock - I'm talking about people paying extra to get "green" > power. All that means is people are stupid enough to pay extra for something > that would have been there whether they paid for it or not. Are you so certain that is the

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On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 1:29 PM, Cor van de Water via EV wrote: > However, anyone paying extra for green power sends a signal > to the market that green power has higher value. > They are voting with their money. That's exactly right. There are two kinds of green power

[EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20180104

http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-GM-s-Multiple-Magnet-Length-Electric-Motor-Patent-tp4689138.html EVLN: GM's Multiple-Magnet-Length Electric-Motor Patent ... which could totally change how the company thinks about manufacturing electric propulsion systems ...

[EVDL] EVLN: GM's Multiple-Magnet-Length Electric-Motor Patent

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2018/01/gm-patents-an-electric-motor-with-multiple-magnet-lengths.html GM Patents an Electric Motor With Multiple Magnet Lengths Jan 04, 2018 Michael Accardi [images http://www.autoguide.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/chevrolet-bolt-powertrain.jpg

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>> Duck's back curve that is developing in California. >> in spring/fall does go negative in the middle of the day: [ https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/the-california-duck-curve-is- ]( https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/the-california-duck-curve-is- )

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The California Survey back in 2012 or so showed that 45% of all EV owners charged from clean energy. A 2016 Survey by Ford showed that 85% of all EV owners charged from clean solar or subscribed for 100% renewables from their grid, or would when it was offered. To clarify, I'm not talking about

Re: [EVDL] Returning x2: (ot): EVLN EV newswire status ...

This is somewhat off topic (especially since Bruce is licensing an ICEV), but it does pertain to people who move with their EVs. It may be different today -- lots of government functionaries have become way more legalistic -- but I lived in another state for over 3 years back in the 1990s, and

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Bruce, Why all the haste to get a TX title while DMVs are notorious for taking ~6 weeks to even open their mail? One of my (former) colleagues worked for our company in GA but then was asked to come work at HQ in CA, so he drove his GA car to CA and it was more than a year later before he had his

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Actually, you'd want to store (renewable) energy when there is a surplus. The market for grid storage is fast growing and I hear little about the old tech of rotating (flywheel) storage and adding pumped storage is not easy to grow either due to real estate, the only area that I hear massive

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On 01/04/2018 03:11 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote: (ot) My status: stable (I have lodging) but I'm still not legal ... A second call to CA dmv gave a different reason I still do not have what I need to make TX vehicle registration dept. happy Hi Bruce, It's not just CA. I'm having much the same

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Ken That is exactly why many residences decide to get solar, to counter the (steep) increase in electric usage and while they are at it, they often cover the house load as well, so using your (slightly flawed) argument, I could say that EVs can cause *less* pollution when many new EV'ers decide to

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From: Robert Bruninga Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2018 16:52:46 -0500 if one generates say 10MWhrs per year of solar and use 10MWhars per year of electricity, then 100% of your energy is completely fossil fuel free. I agree that you are entitled to brag that you used no

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Thanks for the LIVE California load page. That page today shows the famous Duck's back curve that is developing in California. Yes, today (in winter), the curve still has the demand higher during the day than at night. But that same curve during the spring and fall does go negative in the middle

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On 4 Jan 2018 at 7:50, John Lussmyer via EV wrote: > Actually, that is the reverse of what you want. You want to store > during the night when demand is low, then use during the day when > demand is hi. It's certainly the opposite of what we do now. Robert seems to be suggesting that in the

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On Thu Jan 04 07:41:44 PST 2018 ev@lists.evdl.org said: >Mail at night! >I suspect that in 20 years, the post office, UPS and Amazon and all long >haul trucking and deliveries will all be at night. Think of the benefit >to the grid and everyone (including reduced traffic congestion). All >those

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Mail at night! I suspect that in 20 years, the post office, UPS and Amazon and all long haul trucking and deliveries will all be at night. Think of the benefit to the grid and everyone (including reduced traffic congestion). All those battries storing energy all day long and then being used at

Re: [EVDL] Returning x2: (ot): EVLN EV newswire status ...

On 01/04/2018 03:11 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote: EVLN news status: the EV news items for a short while began again. But slowed down today. Let's hope they pick up again. See below* as there will be delays again in EVLN newswire posts ... (ot) My status: stable (I have lodging) but I'm still

Re: [EVDL] Good News: EVs Are Not Crashing the Grid

It is fair and well deserved criticism for the utility I am subject to. We do not have many plug ins here (very little Tesla presence, and no fast chargers I have seen). Most solar is utility scale -Duke has successfully squelched residential solar so far. No third party sales are allowed. They

[EVDL] Returning x2: (ot): EVLN EV newswire status ...

EVLN news status: the EV news items for a short while began again. But slowed down today. Let's hope they pick up again. See below* as there will be delays again in EVLN newswire posts ... (ot) My status: stable (I have lodging) but I'm still not legal ... Completed/achieved: a permanent

[EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20180103

http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-97yrold-experiences-Tesla-S-EV-magic-v-tp4689112.html EVLN: 97yrold experiences Tesla-S EV magic (v) One Tesla Model S plus one 97-year-old grandfather: video magic "I hear you got an electric car," says a 97-year-old man, looking

[EVDL] EVLN: 97yrold experiences Tesla-S EV magic (v)

https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1114524_one-tesla-model-s-plus-one-97-year-old-grandfather-video-magic One Tesla Model S plus one 97-year-old grandfather: video magic Jan 1, 2018 Mark Stevenson [image