Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

On 2/23/2018 3:37 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: However though perhaps a spider may exist in a less filtered internal state of being than a mouse, I don't see how it is more conscious. Is an amoeba even more conscious then than a spider. Is the simplest most elementary particle the

Re: Goedel incompleteness

On 2/23/2018 8:46 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: I have developed a fuzzy version of prolog, actually based on Philippe Smets (the main creator of IRIDIA)  “transfer belief model”, to help in some search in giant protein databanks (when I was working for Monsanto (!)). With a friend we have taken s

Re: INDEXICAL Computationalism

On 2/26/2018 2:43 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 23 Feb 2018, at 20:37, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 2/23/2018 12:46 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 22 Feb 2018, at 23:17, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 2/22/2018 1:09 AM, B

Re: INDEXICAL Computationalism

On 2/27/2018 2:42 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Depends on what you mean by "proof", we sentence people to prison based on proof of their crime. Not all proof is mathematical. And mathematical proof is only relative to the axioms. I think that this is one of those cases where the term is overload

Re: Disclosure Project

On 2/27/2018 10:10 AM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: I used to work on Carl Sagan's staff and I know his views quite well. What is striking about the YouTube videos, particularly the one initiating the organization, where many physicists, engineers, astronauts, etc;, were present affirming th

Re: Disclosure Project

On 2/27/2018 2:40 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, February 27, 2018 at 3:32:18 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 2/27/2018 10:10 AM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > I used to work on Carl Sagan's staff and I know his views quite well. > What is striking about the YouTub

Re: Disclosure Project

On 2/27/2018 5:28 PM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: On Tuesday, February 27, 2018 at 7:00:56 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: On 2/27/2018 2:40 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, February 27, 2018 at 3:32:18 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 2/27/2018 10:10 AM, agrays...@gmail.com wro

Re: Disclosure Project

On 2/27/2018 6:52 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, February 27, 2018 at 8:28:27 PM UTC-5, Lawrence Crowell wrote: On Tuesday, February 27, 2018 at 7:00:56 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: On 2/27/2018 2:40 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, February 27,

Re: INDEXICAL Computationalism

On 2/28/2018 3:38 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: So what do you find more convincing: An axiomatic proof that God exists, e.g. St Anslem's or Goedel's. or The mere empirical absence of evidence. In these proves, God = Totality / Ultimate Reality / The Whole Shebang. They don't mention commandments

Re: Disclosure Project

On 2/28/2018 5:44 AM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: *Consider this hypothetical event, of which several examples exist; a saucer shaped craft circles and follows a commercial airliner over a remote region, making no noise and exhibiting maneuvers which seem unlike anything possible with hum

Re: INDEXICAL Computationalism

On 2/28/2018 7:22 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 26 Feb 2018, at 19:09, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 2/26/2018 2:43 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 23 Feb 2018, at 20:37, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 2/23/2018 12:46 AM, B

Re: Can work be extracted from the expansion of the universe?

I don't think it's wrong in principle, but in practice the expansion force is like negative gravity whose force is very weak and whose speed even over galactic distances in very small so the available power density is tiny. Brent On 2/28/2018 6:24 PM, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Feb 28, 2018

Re: INDEXICAL Computationalism

On 3/1/2018 2:31 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 1 Mar 2018, at 00:19, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 2/28/2018 7:22 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 26 Feb 2018, at 19:09, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 2/26/2018 2:43 AM, B

Re: INDEXICAL Computationalism

On 3/2/2018 11:05 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: But you're now confounding provable and true and using "existence" in the sense of satisfying axioms as though it mean the same as in common discourse. The UD exist and is emulated in the same sense that the prime numbers are distributed in some w

Re: INDEXICAL Computationalism

On 3/2/2018 11:05 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: It doesn't miss it anymore than your theory.  You just postulate that consciousness corresponds to some theorems about self-reference. Not at all. I postulate only that consciousness is true for the machine I will be after the transplant made at the

Re: Death creeps through the brain as a “spreading wave” of silence and inactivity

On 3/2/2018 2:36 PM, Dirk Van Niekerk wrote: It looks as if individual neurons keep firing and small local (< 4mm) neural networks remain intact during general anesthesia (at least due to propofol).  However, large scale network integration is lost.  So I don't think general anesthesia is ver

Re: INDEXICAL Computationalism

On 3/3/2018 1:47 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sat, Mar 3, 2018 at 10:41 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 8:51 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: On 2/28/2018 3:38 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: So what do you find more convincing: An axiomatic proof that God exists, e.g. St Anslem'

Re: INDEXICAL Computationalism

On 3/3/2018 11:48 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sun, Mar 4, 2018 at 7:43 AM, Brent Meeker wrote: On 3/3/2018 1:47 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sat, Mar 3, 2018 at 10:41 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 8:51 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: On 2/28/2018 3:38 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote

Re: INDEXICAL Computationalism

On 3/5/2018 6:38 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 4 Mar 2018, at 23:00, Brent Meeker wrote: On 3/3/2018 11:48 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sun, Mar 4, 2018 at 7:43 AM, Brent Meeker wrote: On 3/3/2018 1:47 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sat, Mar 3, 2018 at 10:41 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Wed

Re: INDEXICAL Computationalism

On 3/5/2018 9:14 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: "Could" implies a question about possibilities. It's certainly logically possible that there not be such a disease as leukemia. Is it nomologically possible?...not as far as we know. Well I'm not sure it's logically possible, for the reasons that Bru

Re: INDEXICAL Computationalism

On 3/5/2018 11:49 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 1:37 AM, Brent Meeker wrote: On 3/5/2018 9:14 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: "Could" implies a question about possibilities. It's certainly logically possible that there not be such a disease as leukemia. Is i

Re: INDEXICAL Computationalism

On 3/6/2018 5:27 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 6 Mar 2018, at 01:37, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 3/5/2018 9:14 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: "Could" implies a question about possibilities. It's certainly logically possible that there not be su

Re: Does GR tell us why anything moves?

On 3/7/2018 5:39 AM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: *Thanks for your time and effort, but I don't think you understand my* *question. Suppose a test particle is restrained spatially, say in * *the Sun's gravitational field. When released, it starts to move (toward * *the Sun). How does GR explai

Re: Does GR tell us why anything moves?

On 3/8/2018 4:24 AM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 11:04:09 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 3/7/2018 5:39 AM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: *Thanks for your time and effort, but I don't think you understand my* *question. Suppose a test particle is r

Re: INDEXICAL Computationalism

On 3/8/2018 7:57 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 7 Mar 2018, at 15:24, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 1:27 AM, Brent Meeker wrote: On 3/5/2018 11:49 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 1:37 AM, Brent Meeker wrote: On 3/5/2018 9:14 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: "

Re: Applied General Intelligence

Google has tensorflow available online. Brent On 3/8/2018 8:26 AM, Mindey I. wrote: Hello, while artificial general intelligence may be still in the future, arguably the "Applied General Intelligence," exists today. There are universally useful systems, like the equivalence principle, and e

Re: Does GR tell us why anything moves?

On 3/8/2018 9:48 AM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, March 8, 2018 at 12:36:07 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 3/8/2018 4:24 AM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 11:04:09 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 3/7/2018 5:39 AM, agrays...@gmail.com wr

Re: Does GR tell us why anything moves?

On 3/8/2018 4:31 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, March 8, 2018 at 4:35:35 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 3/8/2018 9:48 AM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, March 8, 2018 at 12:36:07 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 3/8/2018 4:24 AM, agrays...@gmail.com wrot

Re: Does GR tell us why anything moves?

On 3/8/2018 4:36 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, March 8, 2018 at 2:52:11 PM UTC-5, Lawrence Crowell wrote: Modern physics tends to operate on the idea of geodesics and geometric determined flows. *Do you agree that the fact that the flow is geodesic is ultimately a

Re: Does GR tell us why anything moves?

On 3/8/2018 8:40 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, March 8, 2018 at 7:59:50 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 3/8/2018 4:31 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, March 8, 2018 at 4:35:35 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 3/8/2018 9:48 AM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote

Re: Does GR tell us why anything moves?

On 3/9/2018 10:20 AM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: I am not exactly sure why you are stuck on the idea that the advance of time causes motion. In one sense you can say that by being at rest in a frame one is moving at T = ct distance along a fourth dimension. But that is not r

Re: Does GR tell us why anything moves?

On 3/9/2018 5:28 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday, March 9, 2018 at 12:51:29 PM UTC-5, Lawrence Crowell wrote: On Friday, March 9, 2018 at 9:44:30 AM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday, March 9, 2018 at 12:10:13 AM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On

Re: Does GR tell us why anything moves?

On 3/9/2018 6:10 PM, John Clark wrote: On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 6:22 PM, Russell Standish mailto:li...@hpcoders.com.au>>wrote: ​Hi Russell​ /> Alan was claiming that motion of a free particle along a geodesic was an unjustified assumption in relativity./ But its not unjustified or an

Re: INDEXICAL Computationalism

On 3/10/2018 12:30 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 8 Mar 2018, at 17:10, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 4:57 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 7 Mar 2018, at 15:24, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 1:27 AM, Brent Meeker wrote: On 3/5/2018 11:49 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote

Re: INDEXICAL Computationalism

On 3/10/2018 12:56 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 8 Mar 2018, at 21:11, Brent Meeker wrote: On 3/8/2018 7:57 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 7 Mar 2018, at 15:24, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 1:27 AM, Brent Meeker wrote: On 3/5/2018 11:49 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Tue, Mar

Re: Does GR tell us why anything moves?

On 3/10/2018 6:53 AM, John Clark wrote: /> So if it's not, we either look for a better theory or (temporarily) give up and call the variations "geography". / You could call it geography but I think a better name would be history, or initial conditions. That's why I put "geography

Re: Does GR tell us why anything moves?

On 3/10/2018 3:17 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: From: *Russell Standish* <mailto:li...@hpcoders.com.au>> On Fri, Mar 09, 2018 at 08:23:40PM -0800, Brent Meeker wrote: > > momentum produced from it unless there was a symmetry, in this case > > the fact that the laws of physic

Re: Does GR tell us why anything moves?

On 3/10/2018 5:04 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, March 4, 2018 at 11:35:24 PM UTC-5, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think so. I think its equations of motion mix time and space, so if time increases, spatial position must change. That is, the assumption that tim

Re: Does GR tell us why anything moves?

On 3/10/2018 5:19 PM, Russell Standish wrote: On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 04:14:13PM -0800, Brent Meeker wrote: We want POVI.  We look for symmetries, which are no more than patterns, that we can build theories around.  The fact that we're only satisfied with theories that don't

Re: Does GR tell us why anything moves?

On 3/10/2018 7:32 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday, March 10, 2018 at 10:09:45 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 3/10/2018 5:04 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, March 4, 2018 at 11:35:24 PM UTC-5, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think so. I think i

Re: Does GR tell us why anything moves?

On 3/10/2018 7:50 PM, Russell Standish wrote: On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 07:14:16PM -0800, Brent Meeker wrote: On 3/10/2018 5:19 PM, Russell Standish wrote: On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 04:14:13PM -0800, Brent Meeker wrote: We want POVI.  We look for symmetries, which are no more than patterns

Re: Does GR tell us why anything moves?

On 3/10/2018 7:55 PM, Russell Standish wrote: On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 01:24:19PM +1100, Bruce Kellett wrote: From: *Russell Standish* mailto:li...@hpcoders.com.au>> On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 10:17:01AM +1100, Bruce Kellett wrote: My feeling is that we observe that the world has certain symmetr

Re: INDEXICAL Computationalism

On 3/11/2018 9:53 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Mar 2018, at 22:11, Brent Meeker wrote: On 3/10/2018 12:30 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 8 Mar 2018, at 17:10, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 4:57 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 7 Mar 2018, at 15:24, Telmo Menezes wrote: On

Re: INDEXICAL Computationalism

On 3/11/2018 10:06 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: That's false. You implicitly and without proof or ever evidence assume that mathematics, computation, and abstractions like numbers exist, I have to assume them because the notion of computation needs them to be defined mathematically. Now if you

Robot passes AI test

And consciousness? *Robot Passes AI Test* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95aYLmG0wt8 http://kryten.mm.rpi.edu/SBringsjord_etal_self-con_robots_kg4_0601151615NY.pdf Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe

Re: Disclosure Project

On 3/13/2018 12:19 PM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: Since this thread is reaching 100 posts where it is hard to keep track of and this topic is low on my interest list I will simply leave the following. Somebody pondered that a UFO/ET site called GaiaPC is just wishful thinking. I responded with:

Re: How to live forever

On 3/13/2018 2:48 PM, smitra wrote: Uploading may only become feasible when society has already transitioned to a machine society, there may then be only a limited interest in uploading the brain contents of deceased persons who by that time will be regarded to be not so intelligent. Or they

Re: How to live forever

On 3/14/2018 6:33 AM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: It is not about believing anything. Our brains operate not just as switching systems of neurons, but neurons are themselves biological. The real computer analogue I think extends down to the molecular level, where kinase and other actions are simi

Re: How to live forever

On 3/16/2018 4:57 AM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: The point is not that neurological processes can't be modeled using biophysical algorithms. Below is a neural circuit diagram that illustrates a feedback structure. These neurons could be replaced by flip flop systems and other electronic. In that

Re: How to live forever

On 3/16/2018 10:54 AM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: On Friday, March 16, 2018 at 11:08:16 AM UTC-6, Brent wrote: On 3/16/2018 4:57 AM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: The point is not that neurological processes can't be modeled using biophysical algorithms. Below is a neural circuit diagram

Re: How to live forever

On 3/16/2018 5:13 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: Feynman also made the quip that simulation is like masturbation; it is fine until you start thinking it is the real thing. Actually Feynman's quip was about mathematics as compared to physics. Brent -- You received this message because you ar

Re: How to live forever

On 3/16/2018 6:07 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday, March 16, 2018 at 8:33:37 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 3/16/2018 5:13 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: Feynman also made the quip that simulation is like masturbation; it is fine until you start thinking it is the real

Re: How to live forever

On 3/17/2018 4:08 PM, John Clark wrote: *NONSENSE!* Evolution produced me. I know with 100% certainty that I am conscious. I very strongly suspect billions of other things are conscious too. I know for a fact Evolution can detect intelligent behavior but it can’t detect consciousness and yet

Re: How to live forever

On 3/18/2018 7:51 AM, John Clark wrote: On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 12:04 AM, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: /> The evolutionary argument is a good one for brains like humans and other animals.  But it may be that consciousness is only entailed by

Re: How to live forever

On 3/18/2018 2:51 PM, John Clark wrote: If intelligent behavior doesn't produce consciousness please explain why Evolution bothered to make you conscious. It may have been inevitable, given what evolution had to work with, but that doesn't mean that intelligent behavior realized in a diffe

Re: How to live forever

On 3/18/2018 6:14 PM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: And for this reason it could be impossible to map brain states into a computer and capture a person completely. I don't think anyone would argue for "completely".  At a minimum recent memory would be lost.  But considering how much "personality"

Re: How to live forever

On 3/19/2018 2:19 PM, John Clark wrote: On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 10:03 PM, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote /> octopuses are fairly intelligent but their neural structure is distributed very differently from mammals of similar intelligence.  A

Re: How to live forever

On 3/19/2018 6:10 PM, John Clark wrote: On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 7:56 PM, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>>wrote: / ​> ​ You're the one who floated a theory of consciousness based on evolution. / ​I did indeed.​ / ​>​ I'm just

Re: How to live forever

On 3/19/2018 7:21 PM, John Clark wrote: On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 9:25 PM, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>>wrote: * ​>> ​ NO!*That is exactly what it doesn't show! Consciousness has no evolutionary purpose, it couldn't hav

Re: How to live forever

On 3/20/2018 3:58 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: The interesting thing is that you can draw conclusions about consciousness without being able to define it or detect it. I agree. The claim is that IF an entity is conscious THEN its consciousness will be preserved if brain function is preserved des

Re: How to live forever

On 3/20/2018 9:52 AM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: On Tuesday, March 20, 2018 at 3:57:31 AM UTC-5, telmo_menezes wrote: On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 1:03 AM, Bruce Kellett > wrote: > From: Telmo Menezes > > > > On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 12:06 AM, Bruce Kellett > > wrote:

Re: How to live forever

On 3/20/2018 1:14 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Wed, 21 Mar 2018 at 6:34 am, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 3/20/2018 3:58 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: The interesting thing is that you can draw conclusions about consciousness without bein

Re: How to live forever

On 3/20/2018 4:27 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: From: *Telmo Menezes* > On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 1:03 AM, Bruce Kellett mailto:bhkell...@optusnet.com.au>> wrote: > Now it may be that you want to reject Stathis's claim, and insist that > consciousness cannot be inferre

Re: How to live forever

On 3/20/2018 5:35 PM, John Clark wrote: On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 7:27 PM, Bruce Kellett mailto:bhkell...@optusnet.com.au>>wrote: ​/>​/ /You don't need an instrument that can give a clean yes/no answer to the presence of consciousness to develop scientific theories about conscio

Re: How to live forever

On 3/20/2018 5:49 PM, John Clark wrote: On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 7:40 PM, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>>wrote: /One of the reasons for supposing that octopus consciousness is different from human consciousness is that an octopus does a lot of information proc

Re: How to live forever

On 3/20/2018 6:37 PM, John Clark wrote: On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 9:17 PM, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>>wrote: ​> ​ So the intelligence, and hence the consciousness, is distributed. How is that relevant? A mind might not consciously know if its dat

Re: How to live forever

On 3/20/2018 11:29 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Wed, 21 Mar 2018 at 9:03 am, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 3/20/2018 1:14 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Wed, 21 Mar 2018 at 6:34 am, Brent Meeker mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote

Re: How to live forever

On 3/21/2018 6:45 AM, John Clark wrote: On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 10:25 PM, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: ​>> ​  A mind might not consciously know if its data was being processed distributively or not and have no why to deduce that

Re: How to live forever

On 3/21/2018 8:40 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 20 Mar 2018, at 00:56, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 3/19/2018 2:19 PM, John Clark wrote: On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 10:03 PM, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote /> octopuses are f

Re: How to live forever

On 3/21/2018 2:27 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Thu, 22 Mar 2018 at 5:45 am, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 3/20/2018 11:29 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Wed, 21 Mar 2018 at 9:03 am, Brent Meeker mailto:meeke...@verizon.ne

Re: How to live forever

On 3/21/2018 9:06 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Thu, 22 Mar 2018 at 8:57 am, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 3/21/2018 2:27 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Thu, 22 Mar 2018 at 5:45 am, Brent Meeker mailto:meeke...@verizon.ne

Re: How to live forever

On 3/25/2018 2:15 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 21 Mar 2018, at 22:56, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 3/21/2018 2:27 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Thu, 22 Mar 2018 at 5:45 am, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On

Re: How to live forever

On 3/25/2018 7:14 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 26 March 2018 at 04:57, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 3/25/2018 2:15 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 21 Mar 2018, at 22:56, Brent Meeker mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 3/

Re: How to live forever

On 3/26/2018 8:24 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 26 March 2018 at 15:20, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 3/25/2018 7:14 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 26 March 2018 at 04:57, Brent Meeker mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote:

Re: How to live forever

On 3/26/2018 10:10 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: You retreat into what is possible.  My question is much more directly pragmatic.  If I actually made a silicon based replacement for your brain that had the same input/output would you consciousness be different if the replacement processed the info

Re: Mind Uploading and NP-completeness

On 3/26/2018 10:17 AM, John Clark wrote: Brent Meeker Wrote" /> It seems to me there's something fishy about making behavior and conscious thought functionally equivalent so neither can change without a corresponding change in the other.  My intuition is that t

Re: How to live forever

On 3/26/2018 3:19 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 at 6:40 am, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 3/26/2018 8:24 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 26 March 2018 at 15:20, Brent Meeker mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote:

Re: How to live forever

On 3/27/2018 5:20 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 27 March 2018 at 09:35, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 3/26/2018 3:19 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: If you are not and never can be aware of it then in what sense is it consciousness?

Re: Mind Uploading and NP-completeness

On 3/27/2018 8:34 AM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: *But what you can never do IMO, is determine whether either Rover, in any circumstance, has self knowledge or self perception, or can experience rudimentary or complex sensations.* You could interview them, just as you judge whether another

Re: How to live forever

On 3/27/2018 9:57 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: There is non zombies with mechanism, not because we can derive consciousness from body-behaviour, but because we just cannot do that, as their are no really “body-behavior”, as there are no bodies: the intelligence and the consciousness is a collect

Re: How to live forever

On 3/27/2018 10:19 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 at 1:50 am, Lawrence Crowell <mailto:goldenfieldquaterni...@gmail.com>> wrote: On Tuesday, March 27, 2018 at 7:21:00 AM UTC-5, stathisp wrote: On 27 March 2018 at 09:35, Brent Meeker

Re: How to live forever

On 3/27/2018 2:26 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 at 7:27 am, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 3/27/2018 10:19 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 at 1:50 am, Lawrence Crowell mailto:goldenfieldquaterni...@

Re: How to live forever

On 3/27/2018 3:59 PM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: On Tuesday, March 27, 2018 at 3:56:18 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: On 3/27/2018 2:26 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 at 7:27 am, Brent Meeker > wrote: On 3/27/2018 10:19 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wr

Re: Something that should scare you ...

On 3/29/2018 11:40 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-03-27/china-deploys-skynet-facial-recognition-can-compare-3-billion-faces-second At "99.8 percent accuracy" (which is doubtful) thus producing 6 million errors per second. But it is scary. Brent -- Y

Re: Something that should scare you ...

I wasn't aware they were Russian backed, but I know they are tabloid news. What's the schedule for termite tenting? love, Dad On 3/30/2018 10:54 AM, Barrett Meeker wrote: I wouldn't trust anything on Zero Hedge, they are a Russian backed conspiracy site. On Fri, Mar 30, 20

Re: Something that should scare you ...

On 3/30/2018 1:18 PM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: On Friday, March 30, 2018 at 12:40:05 AM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-03-27/china-deploys-skynet-facial-recognition-can-compare-3-billion-faces-second

Re: How to live forever

On the other hand, somebody could just create a smartass email bot and as far as we know it would be a perfect upload of John Clark. :-) Brent On 3/31/2018 1:17 PM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: You would have to replicate then not only the dynamics of neurons, but every biomolecule in the neurons,

Re: How to live forever

On 3/31/2018 1:32 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 10:17 PM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: You would have to replicate then not only the dynamics of neurons, but every biomolecule in the neurons, and don't forget about the oligoastrocytes and other glial cells. Many enzymes for inst

Re: How to live forever

On 3/31/2018 3:29 PM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: On Saturday, March 31, 2018 at 2:32:06 PM UTC-6, telmo_menezes wrote: On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 10:17 PM, Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > You would have to replicate then not only the dynamics of neurons, but every > biomolecule in th

Re: Nuclear FUSION reactor being developed at Lockheed for powered fighter jet

The date. Brent On 4/2/2018 3:43 AM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: I wonder what is wrong with this idea! LC On Sunday, April 1, 2018 at 6:34:34 PM UTC-5, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-03-30/lockheed-martin-patents-nuclear-fusion-powered-fighter-jet

Re: How to live forever

On 3/31/2018 1:30 AM, Russell Standish wrote: On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 05:14:21PM +0100, Bruno Marchal wrote: Now, is a jellyfish conscious? I bet they are, but not far away from the dissociative and constant arithmetical consciousness (of the universal machines). As I'm sure you're aware, I

Re: How to live forever

On 4/3/2018 12:37 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 3 Apr 2018, at 07:22, Brent Meeker wrote: On 3/31/2018 1:30 AM, Russell Standish wrote: On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 05:14:21PM +0100, Bruno Marchal wrote: Now, is a jellyfish conscious? I bet they are, but not far away from the dissociative and

Re: How to live forever

On 4/3/2018 12:47 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 31 Mar 2018, at 10:30, Russell Standish wrote: On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 05:14:21PM +0100, Bruno Marchal wrote: Now, is a jellyfish conscious? I bet they are, but not far away from the dissociative and constant arithmetical consciousness (of the

Re: How to live forever

On 4/2/2018 10:53 AM, smitra wrote: On 02-04-2018 17:27, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 1 Apr 2018, at 00:29, Lawrence Crowell wrote: On Saturday, March 31, 2018 at 2:32:06 PM UTC-6, telmo_menezes wrote: On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 10:17 PM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: You would have to replicate then

Re: How to live forever

On 4/5/2018 1:55 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 3 Apr 2018, at 19:40, Brent Meeker wrote: On 4/3/2018 12:37 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 3 Apr 2018, at 07:22, Brent Meeker wrote: On 3/31/2018 1:30 AM, Russell Standish wrote: On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 05:14:21PM +0100, Bruno Marchal wrote

Re: The Origin of Physical Laws and Sensations - Bruno Marchal, Université de Bruxelles

On 4/9/2018 7:10 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 8 Apr 2018, at 19:42, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/publications/SANE2004MARCHAL.pdf On 3,) Arithmetic Reali

Re: Disproofs of Bell, GHZ, and Hardy Type Theorems and the Illusion of Entanglement

You might notice that Joy has been riding that hobby horse for 8yrs.  Look for contrary analyses. Brent On 4/9/2018 7:56 AM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: Joy Christian∗ Department of Physics, University of Oxford, Parks Road, Oxford OX1 3PU, United Kingdom

Indefinite truth

I wonder if Bruno is familiar with this paper? https://arxiv.org/pdf/1312.0670.pdf Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+uns

Re: Mind Uploading

On 4/10/2018 11:44 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 11 Apr 2018, at 01:29, John Clark > wrote: On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 11:19 AM, Bruno Marchal >wrote: ​>> ​ We know for a fact that physics is not yet a fundamental th

Re: Entanglement

On 4/12/2018 12:44 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: *Let's simplify the model. Instead of a Nitrogen molecule, consider a free electron at rest in some frame. Its only degree of freedom is spin IIUC. Is it your claim that this electron become entangled with its environment via its spin WF, w

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