Re: When Did Consciousness Begin?

2019-02-18 Thread Bruno Marchal
m>> wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 1:15 PM Bruno Marchal <mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> wrote: > > > I will do a personal confession: I have never believe in matter, > > Matter doesn't care if you believe in it or not, it will just continue doing > what it

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2019-02-18 Thread Bruno Marchal
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Re: Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

2019-02-15 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 14 Feb 2019, at 05:40, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List > wrote: > > Two fascinating (and very different) approaches are presented to derive > Quantim Mechanics main practical tool (e.g. Born's rule). Wonder what some of > the physicists on here think about this research? > > I

Re: When Did Consciousness Begin?

2019-02-15 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 14 Feb 2019, at 09:43, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 at 10:17:57 PM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 11 Feb 2019, at 19:31, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, February 11, 201

Re: When Did Consciousness Begin?

2019-02-15 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 14 Feb 2019, at 06:44, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 2/12/2019 5:34 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> If we could knew which machine we are, we could define consciousness, or at >> least our personal current consciousness, as it would be defined by the

Re: Algorithm splitting as reason for Quantum Collapse

2019-02-15 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 13 Feb 2019, at 19:51, James Coons wrote: > > If we are algorithms executed by duplicated brains in a multiverse, is it > possible that algorithm splitting is the reason for quantum mechanics. Yes, that is the basic intuition of why we have to extract physics from arithmetic, and

Re: modal µ-calculus and Gödel-Löb logic

2019-02-15 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 15 Feb 2019, at 16:01, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > (connecting a programming semantics with a provability logic) > > On Modal µ-Calculus and Gödel-Löb Logic > https://hal.archives-ouvertes.fr/hal-00353743/document Interesting new proof of the fixed point theorem in G. Yes, quite

Re: Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

2019-02-15 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 15 Feb 2019, at 16:12, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Friday, February 15, 2019 at 5:35:02 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 15 Feb 2019, at 08:25, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 at 10:40:32 PM

Re: Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

2019-02-15 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 15 Feb 2019, at 08:25, Philip Thrift wrote: > > On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 at 10:40:32 PM UTC-6, cdemorsella wrote: > Two fascinating (and very different) approaches are presented to derive > Quantim Mechanics main practical tool (e.g. Born's rule). Wonder what some of > the

Re: When Did Consciousness Begin?

2019-02-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 11 Feb 2019, at 19:13, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 2/11/2019 7:34 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> On 11 Feb 2019, at 01:24, Brent Meeker wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 2/10/2019 3:34 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: >>>> &

Re: When Did Consciousness Begin?

2019-02-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 11 Feb 2019, at 19:31, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Monday, February 11, 2019 at 9:24:18 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 11 Feb 2019, at 00:34, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Two recent books: >>

Re: When Did Consciousness Begin?

2019-02-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 11 Feb 2019, at 19:47, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Monday, February 11, 2019 at 9:56:12 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 11 Feb 2019, at 01:42, Lawrence Crowell > > wrote: >> >> I do not hold to the idea of panpsychism > >

Re: Planck Length

2019-02-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 9 Feb 2019, at 10:22, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Friday, February 8, 2019 at 5:53:01 PM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 4 Feb 2019, at 19:09, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> As I have said, I am language-oriented. W

Re: Coherent states of a superposition

2019-02-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
uary 4, 2019 at 8:56:57 AM UTC-7, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 3 Feb 2019, at 00:03, agrays...@gmail.com <> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Saturday, February 2, 2019 at 2:59:30 PM UTC-7, agrays...@gmail.com >> <http://gmail.com/> wrote: >> >> &

Re: When Did Consciousness Begin?

2019-02-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 11 Feb 2019, at 12:38, smitra wrote: > > Consciousness began when "I" became conscious. But here I take into account > that at the very beginning of "my" consciousness, "my" identity was almost > undefined, so "I" refers to pretty much all conscious processes. > > The notion of a

Re: When Did Consciousness Begin?

2019-02-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 11 Feb 2019, at 09:42, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > Interest in the psychical (experience, consciousness) aspect in all > biological levels has sort of taken off recently, it seems. > > cf. > > Cosmopsychism, Micropsychism, and the Grounding Relation >

Re: When Did Consciousness Begin?

2019-02-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 11 Feb 2019, at 08:05, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 2/10/2019 10:47 PM, Russell Standish wrote: >> On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 04:24:40PM -0800, Brent Meeker wrote: >>> >>> On 2/10/2019 3:34 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: 9. Consciousness began when human culture became advanced, around

Re: When Did Consciousness Begin?

2019-02-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 11 Feb 2019, at 01:42, Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > > I do not hold to the idea of panpsychism Nor do I. > and the existence of God is something that can be dismissed with no loss of > understanding of reality. Of course, you mean the first Aristotelian God. The second is Primary

Re: When Did Consciousness Begin?

2019-02-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 11 Feb 2019, at 01:24, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 2/10/2019 3:34 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> Two recent books: >> >> The First Minds: Caterpillars, Karyotes, and Consciousness >> Arthur S. Reber >> https://books.google.com/books/about/The_First_Minds.html?id=RBLEugEACAAJ >>

Re: When Did Consciousness Begin?

2019-02-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 11 Feb 2019, at 00:34, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > Two recent books: > > The First Minds: Caterpillars, Karyotes, and Consciousness > Arthur S. Reber > https://books.google.com/books/about/The_First_Minds.html?id=RBLEugEACAAJ > > Brain-Mind: From Neurons to Consciousness and

Re: The semantic view of theories and higher-order languages

2019-02-10 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 3 Feb 2019, at 04:35, Russell Standish wrote: > > On Sun, Jan 20, 2019 at 04:06:49PM +0100, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> But when used in physics, this type of inductive inference assume not only a >> reality, but a “brain-mind” identity, which is not consi

Re: Planck Length

2019-02-08 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 4 Feb 2019, at 19:09, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Monday, February 4, 2019 at 10:06:45 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 1 Feb 2019, at 19:16, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Friday, February 1, 2019 at 9:4

Re: Planck Length

2019-02-04 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 1 Feb 2019, at 19:16, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Friday, February 1, 2019 at 9:41:00 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 1 Feb 2019, at 14:52, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Friday, February 1, 2019 at 7:19

Re: Coherent states of a superposition

2019-02-04 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 3 Feb 2019, at 00:03, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Saturday, February 2, 2019 at 2:59:30 PM UTC-7, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > On Saturday, February 2, 2019 at 1:40:29 AM UTC-7, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 1 Feb 2019, at 21

Re: Coherent states of a superposition

2019-02-02 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 1 Feb 2019, at 21:29, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Friday, February 1, 2019 at 5:55:30 AM UTC-7, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 31 Jan 2019, at 21:10, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, January 3

Re: Planck Length

2019-02-01 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 1 Feb 2019, at 14:52, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Friday, February 1, 2019 at 7:19:00 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 31 Jan 2019, at 15:40, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, January 31, 2019 at

Re: Planck Length

2019-02-01 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 31 Jan 2019, at 15:40, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Thursday, January 31, 2019 at 6:28:14 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 30 Jan 2019, at 23:14, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, January 30, 2019 at

Re: Coherent states of a superposition

2019-02-01 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 31 Jan 2019, at 21:10, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Thursday, January 31, 2019 at 6:47:12 AM UTC-7, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 31 Jan 2019, at 01:28, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, January 30, 2019 at

Re: Coherent states of a superposition

2019-01-31 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 31 Jan 2019, at 01:28, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, January 30, 2019 at 2:38:58 PM UTC-7, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > On Wednesday, January 30, 2019 at 5:16:05 AM UTC-7, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 30 Jan 2019, at 02

Re: Planck Length

2019-01-31 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 30 Jan 2019, at 23:14, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, January 30, 2019 at 5:45:34 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 29 Jan 2019, at 15:03, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, January 29, 2019 at

Re: Coherent states of a superposition

2019-01-30 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 30 Jan 2019, at 02:59, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, January 29, 2019 at 4:37:34 AM UTC-7, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 28 Jan 2019, at 22:50, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Friday, January 2

Re: Histories Of Phenomenally Everything (HOPE)

2019-01-30 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 29 Jan 2019, at 21:12, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, January 29, 2019 at 7:29:43 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 29 Jan 2019, at 12:03, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> This replaces space, time, particles, field

Re: Planck Length

2019-01-30 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 29 Jan 2019, at 15:03, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, January 29, 2019 at 5:30:18 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 28 Jan 2019, at 15:07, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, January 28, 2019 at

Re: Histories Of Phenomenally Everything (HOPE)

2019-01-29 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 29 Jan 2019, at 12:03, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > This replaces space, time, particles, fields with histories. > > I think this is compatible with universal machines. > > https://codicalist.wordpress.com/2019/01/28/histories-of-phenomenally-everything-hope/ That space and time, and

Re: Coherent states of a superposition

2019-01-29 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 28 Jan 2019, at 22:50, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Friday, January 25, 2019 at 7:33:05 AM UTC-7, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 24 Jan 2019, at 09:29, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sunday, January 20, 2019 a

Re: Planck Length

2019-01-29 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 28 Jan 2019, at 15:07, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Monday, January 28, 2019 at 6:27:37 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 25 Jan 2019, at 14:53, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Friday, January 25, 2019 at 6:27

Re: Strict finitism

2019-01-29 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 28 Jan 2019, at 14:55, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Monday, January 28, 2019 at 5:46:12 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 26 Jan 2019, at 08:36, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Varieties of finitism >>

Re: Planck Length

2019-01-28 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 25 Jan 2019, at 14:53, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Friday, January 25, 2019 at 6:27:44 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 24 Jan 2019, at 15:19, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, January 24, 2019 at

Re: Strict finitism

2019-01-28 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 26 Jan 2019, at 08:36, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > Varieties of finitism > http://www.mbph.de/Logic/Finitism.pdf > Manuel Bremer > http://www.mbph.de > > Annotated bibliography of strict finitism > http://jeanpaulvanbendegem.be/home/papers/strict-finitism/ > Jean Paul Van Bendegem >

Re: Coherent states of a superposition

2019-01-25 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 24 Jan 2019, at 09:29, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Sunday, January 20, 2019 at 11:54:43 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com > <http://gmail.com/> wrote: > > > On Sunday, January 20, 2019 at 9:56:17 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On

Re: Planck Length

2019-01-25 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 24 Jan 2019, at 19:57, Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > > On Thursday, January 24, 2019 at 8:59:42 AM UTC-6, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > On Thursday, January 24, 2019 at 5:54:46 AM UTC-6, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > > > > My point is that in physics what might be called a halting

Re: Planck Length

2019-01-25 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 24 Jan 2019, at 15:19, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Thursday, January 24, 2019 at 7:14:15 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 23 Jan 2019, at 19:01, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, January 23, 2019 at

Re: Planck Length

2019-01-24 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 24 Jan 2019, at 12:54, Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > > On Monday, January 21, 2019 at 6:49:12 PM UTC-6, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > On Monday, January 21, 2019 at 6:19:07 PM UTC-6, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > On Monday, January 21, 2019 at 5:09:50 AM UTC-6, Bruno Ma

Re: Planck Length

2019-01-24 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 23 Jan 2019, at 19:01, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, January 23, 2019 at 5:52:01 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 22 Jan 2019, at 01:49, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> One of the oddest of things is when physicis

Re: Discrete theories of space

2019-01-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 23 Jan 2019, at 11:28, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, January 23, 2019 at 3:04:38 AM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > On Wednesday, January 23, 2019 at 12:17:11 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com <> > wrote: > > > On Tuesday, January 22, 2019 at 11:31:06 PM UTC, Philip

Re: Planck Length

2019-01-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 22 Jan 2019, at 01:49, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Monday, January 21, 2019 at 6:19:07 PM UTC-6, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > On Monday, January 21, 2019 at 5:09:50 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 21 Jan 2019, at 00:17, Lawrence Crowell > >>

Re: Planck Length

2019-01-21 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 21 Jan 2019, at 00:17, Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > > On Sunday, January 20, 2019 at 9:16:01 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 19 Jan 2019, at 01:42, Lawrence Crowell > > wrote: >> >> On Thursday, January 17, 2019 at 6:31:06 AM UTC-6, Brun

Re: UDA and the origin of physics

2019-01-21 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 20 Jan 2019, at 19:23, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Sunday, January 20, 2019 at 8:52:54 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 15 Jan 2019, at 12:56, Philip Thrift > wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, January 15, 2019 at 5:33:01 AM

Re: Planck Length

2019-01-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 19 Jan 2019, at 11:36, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Saturday, January 19, 2019 at 2:36:23 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 18 Jan 2019, at 15:44, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Friday, January 18, 2019 at

Re: Planck Length

2019-01-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 19 Jan 2019, at 01:42, Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > > On Thursday, January 17, 2019 at 6:31:06 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 17 Jan 2019, at 09:22, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, January 7, 2019 at 9:25:16 PM

Re: The semantic view of theories and higher-order languages

2019-01-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 19 Jan 2019, at 00:14, John Clark wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 8:30 AM Bruno Marchal <mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> wrote: > > >Nwe cannot assume, neither a physical universe, nor analysis or set theory. > >Since recently, I have realised that we

Re: Solomonoff induction and mechanism

2019-01-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 16 Jan 2019, at 05:05, Russell Standish wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 06:14:14PM -0800, Mason Green wrote: >> Solomonoff’s method of induction seems like a good fit for a mechanist view >> of things. For instance, it could be used to assign a relative probability >> to the universe

Re: UDA and the origin of physics

2019-01-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 15 Jan 2019, at 12:56, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, January 15, 2019 at 5:33:01 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 14 Jan 2019, at 20:27, Brent Meeker > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > On 1/14/2019 3:22 AM, Br

Re: Coherent states of a superposition

2019-01-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 18 Jan 2019, at 18:50, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Friday, January 18, 2019 at 12:09:58 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 17 Jan 2019, at 14:48, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, January 17, 2019 at 12:

Re: Planck Length

2019-01-19 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 18 Jan 2019, at 15:44, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Friday, January 18, 2019 at 7:36:34 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 17 Jan 2019, at 21:02, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, January 17, 2019 at 1

Re: Planck Length

2019-01-18 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 17 Jan 2019, at 21:02, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Thursday, January 17, 2019 at 12:45:31 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > On 1/17/2019 12:22 AM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> Later I'll post some questions I have about your derivation of the Planck >> length, but for now here's a

Re: The semantic view of theories and higher-order languages

2019-01-18 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 18 Jan 2019, at 09:49, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > The semantic view of theories and higher-order languages > Laurenz Hudetz > https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11229-017-1502-0 > > "every family of set-theoretic structures has an associated language of > higher-order logic and

Re: Coherent states of a superposition

2019-01-18 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 17 Jan 2019, at 14:48, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Thursday, January 17, 2019 at 12:36:07 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 17 Jan 2019, at 09:33, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, January 17, 2019 at

Re: Coherent states of a superposition

2019-01-17 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 17 Jan 2019, at 09:33, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Thursday, January 17, 2019 at 3:58:48 AM UTC, Brent wrote: > > > On 1/16/2019 7:25 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> On Monday, January 14, 2019 at 6:12:43 AM UTC, Brent wrote: >> >> >> On 1/13/2019 9:51 PM,

Re: Planck Length

2019-01-17 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 17 Jan 2019, at 09:22, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Monday, January 7, 2019 at 9:25:16 PM UTC, John Clark wrote: > On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 8:03 AM > wrote: > > > How does one calculate Planck length using the fundamental constants G, h, > > and c, and having calculated it,

Re: UDA and the origin of physics

2019-01-15 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 14 Jan 2019, at 20:27, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 1/14/2019 3:22 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> The physics comes from the first person statistical interference between >> those dreams. > > Where can this "person" be to make a statisical

Re: What is comparable and incomparable between casually disconnected universes?

2019-01-15 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 14 Jan 2019, at 21:23, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 1/14/2019 4:03 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> On 13 Jan 2019, at 21:33, Brent Meeker >>> <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 1/13/2019

Re: What is comparable and incomparable between casually disconnected universes?

2019-01-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 13 Jan 2019, at 21:33, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 1/13/2019 6:54 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> On 11 Jan 2019, at 20:51, Brent Meeker wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 1/11/2019 2:16 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>>>

Re: UDA and the origin of physics

2019-01-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 13 Jan 2019, at 21:08, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Sunday, January 13, 2019 at 9:22:00 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 11 Jan 2019, at 23:36, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 8:41

Re: Solomonoff induction and mechanism

2019-01-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 12 Jan 2019, at 03:14, Mason Green wrote: > > Solomonoff’s method of induction seems like a good fit for a mechanist view > of things. For instance, it could be used to assign a relative probability to > the universe being generated by a universal dovetailer: 2^(-K) * m, where K > is

Re: UDA and the origin of physics

2019-01-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 12 Jan 2019, at 02:25, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 1/11/2019 2:36 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: >>> Of course there are math professors (Dr. Z at Rutgers) who teach on the >>> evils of Platonism. And "Truth" is like God, as Rorty said. >> >> >> >> >> >> That is a good summary of

Re: UDA and the origin of physics

2019-01-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 11 Jan 2019, at 23:36, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 8:41:19 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 11 Jan 2019, at 12:40, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 5:24

Re: UDA and the origin of physics

2019-01-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 11 Jan 2019, at 21:04, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 1/11/2019 3:24 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> Anyway, the question is if it is true or false. In mathematics, mechanism >> restricts realism only to finite mathematics, or arithmetic. This is >&

Re: Coherent states of a superposition

2019-01-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 13 Jan 2019, at 07:24, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Sunday, January 13, 2019 at 4:13:24 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > On Saturday, January 12, 2019 at 8:41:23 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com <> wrote: > > > On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 7:40:13 PM UTC, Brent wrote:

Re: What is comparable and incomparable between casually disconnected universes?

2019-01-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 11 Jan 2019, at 20:51, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 1/11/2019 2:16 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> I suspect Planck constant to be not computable, because if we extract QM >> from arithmetic, the Planck constant might very well related to the >

Re: What is comparable and incomparable between casually disconnected universes?

2019-01-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 13 Jan 2019, at 00:28, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Saturday, January 12, 2019 at 4:17:56 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > On 1/12/2019 2:51 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 7:19:06 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >> >> >> On 1/11/2019 1:57 PM, Philip Thrift

Re: What is comparable and incomparable between casually disconnected universes?

2019-01-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 12 Jan 2019, at 23:17, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 1/12/2019 2:51 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 7:19:06 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >> >> >> On 1/11/2019 1:57 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: >>> >>> >>> On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 2:46:35 PM UTC-6,

Re: What is comparable and incomparable between casually disconnected universes?

2019-01-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 12 Jan 2019, at 11:51, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 7:19:06 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > On 1/11/2019 1:57 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 2:46:35 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >> >> >> On 1/11/2019 6:01 AM, John Clark wrote:

Re: UDA and the origin of physics

2019-01-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 11 Jan 2019, at 12:40, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 5:24:20 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 11 Jan 2019, at 11:30, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 4:03

Re: What is comparable and incomparable between casually disconnected universes?

2019-01-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 11 Jan 2019, at 12:18, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 4:16:13 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 11 Jan 2019, at 10:03, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, January 10, 2019

Re: UDA and the origin of physics

2019-01-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 11 Jan 2019, at 11:30, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 4:03:10 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 11 Jan 2019, at 10:50, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 2:54

Re: The Case Against Quantum Computing

2019-01-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 11 Jan 2019, at 11:23, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > “This scheme, like all other schemes for quantum computation, relies on > speculative technology, does not in its current form take into account all > possible sources of noise, unreliability and manufacturing error, and > probably will

Re: Interference of probability waves

2019-01-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 11 Jan 2019, at 11:02, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > If probability values are always positive and between 0 and 1, how does one > get destructive interference, or constructive interfering probability values > within the acceptable range? Brent once answered this question but I have

Re: What is comparable and incomparable between casually disconnected universes?

2019-01-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 11 Jan 2019, at 10:03, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Thursday, January 10, 2019 at 8:27:20 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: > On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 12:18 PM Brent Meeker > wrote: > On 1/10/2019 4:21 PM, John Clark wrote: >> So even Feynman knew that there was no theoretical value for the FSC,

Re: Coherent states of a superposition

2019-01-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 11 Jan 2019, at 10:54, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 9:07:50 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 10 Jan 2019, at 22:08, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, January 10, 2019 at 11

Re: UDA and the origin of physics

2019-01-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 11 Jan 2019, at 10:50, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 2:54:09 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 10 Jan 2019, at 19:16, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, January 10, 2019 a

Re: Coherent states of a superposition

2019-01-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 10 Jan 2019, at 22:08, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Thursday, January 10, 2019 at 11:07:51 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 9 Jan 2019, at 07:58, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, January 7, 2019 a

Re: Coherent states of a superposition

2019-01-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 10 Jan 2019, at 21:33, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Thursday, January 10, 2019 at 11:07:51 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 9 Jan 2019, at 07:58, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, January 7, 2019 a

Re: Materialism and Mechanism

2019-01-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 10 Jan 2019, at 21:01, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Thursday, January 10, 2019 at 11:20:20 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 9 Jan 2019, at 11:20, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, January 7, 2019 at 9:4

Re: UDA and the origin of physics

2019-01-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 10 Jan 2019, at 19:16, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Thursday, January 10, 2019 at 7:36:33 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 9 Jan 2019, at 15:13, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, January 9, 2019 a

Re: Materialism and Mechanism

2019-01-10 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 9 Jan 2019, at 11:20, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Monday, January 7, 2019 at 9:44:40 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 6 Jan 2019, at 15:20, Philip Thrift > wrote: >> >> >> In terms of processing, I distinguish experience processin

Re: What is comparable and incomparable between casually disconnected universes?

2019-01-10 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 10 Jan 2019, at 07:39, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, January 9, 2019 at 6:49:05 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: > On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 11:38 AM John Clark > wrote: > On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 5:01 PM Bruce Kellett > wrote: > > > Rubbish. The fine structure constant is not

Re: UDA and the origin of physics

2019-01-10 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 9 Jan 2019, at 15:13, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, January 9, 2019 at 4:06:08 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 6 Jan 2019, at 22:27, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> Why - in numerical reality (UD) - can't the

Re: Coherent states of a superposition

2019-01-10 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 9 Jan 2019, at 07:58, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Monday, January 7, 2019 at 11:37:13 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > On Monday, January 7, 2019 at 2:52:27 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com <> wrote: > > > On Sunday, January 6, 2019 at 10:45:01 PM UTC, Bruce wrote: >

Re: What is comparable and incomparable between casually disconnected universes?

2019-01-09 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 6 Jan 2019, at 17:10, Jason Resch wrote: > > I am trying to make a list of what properties are comparable between two > universes and which properties are incomparable. What do you mean by “universes”? If it means “physical universe”, and if Mechanism is postulated, I am not sure it

UDA and the origin of physics

2019-01-09 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 6 Jan 2019, at 22:27, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Sunday, January 6, 2019 at 3:03:19 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > On 1/6/2019 3:28 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 5 Jan 2019, at 22:18, Brent Meeker > > >> wrote: > >> >

UDA and the origin of physics

2019-01-09 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 6 Jan 2019, at 22:03, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 1/6/2019 3:28 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> On 5 Jan 2019, at 22:18, Brent Meeker wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 1/5/2019 1:50 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>>>> On

Re: Materialism and Mechanism

2019-01-07 Thread Bruno Marchal
C-6, Jason wrote: > > > On Sat, Jan 5, 2019 at 6:13 AM Philip Thrift > wrote: > > On Saturday, January 5, 2019 at 4:26:11 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 4 Jan 2019, at 17:25, Philip Thrift > wrote: >> >> Physicists today (as I've observed) are not

Re: "No black-hole singularities" in an undated loop-quantum-gravity theory

2019-01-06 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 5 Jan 2019, at 22:18, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 1/5/2019 1:50 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> On 4 Jan 2019, at 19:35, Brent Meeker wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 1/4/2019 3:51 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>>>> On

Re: [SUSPICIOUS MESSAGE] Towards Conscious AI Systems (a symposium at the AAAI Stanford Spring Symposium 2019)

2019-01-05 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 4 Jan 2019, at 17:25, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Friday, January 4, 2019 at 10:02:51 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 3 Jan 2019, at 15:41, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, January 3, 2019 at 7:4

Re: "No black-hole singularities" in an undated loop-quantum-gravity theory

2019-01-05 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 4 Jan 2019, at 19:35, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 1/4/2019 3:51 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> On 4 Jan 2019, at 05:16, Brent Meeker wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 1/3/2019 6:01 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>>> A

Re: [SUSPICIOUS MESSAGE] Towards Conscious AI Systems (a symposium at the AAAI Stanford Spring Symposium 2019)

2019-01-04 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 3 Jan 2019, at 15:41, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Thursday, January 3, 2019 at 7:46:58 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 2 Jan 2019, at 21:09, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wednesday,

Re: "No black-hole singularities" in an undated loop-quantum-gravity theory

2019-01-04 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 4 Jan 2019, at 05:16, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 1/3/2019 6:01 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> As a scientist, I just count the evidences, and evaluate the plausibility of >> the big picture proposed.I predicted the many-world appearances much before >&g

Re: "No black-hole singularities" in an undated loop-quantum-gravity theory

2019-01-03 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 3 Jan 2019, at 02:26, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, January 2, 2019 at 12:18:50 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 30 Dec 2018, at 18:56, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sunday, December

Re: [SUSPICIOUS MESSAGE] Towards Conscious AI Systems (a symposium at the AAAI Stanford Spring Symposium 2019)

2019-01-03 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 2 Jan 2019, at 21:09, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, January 2, 2019 at 1:07:37 PM UTC-6, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > On Wednesday, January 2, 2019 at 12:30:22 PM UTC-6, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > On Wednesday, January 2, 2019 at 8:44

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