Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Heartworm?

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Thanks Kelley! 

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:01 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Heartworm?

I don't know what part of the country you live in, but have been using
year
round Revolution for years.  We have mosquitos year round and one
heartworm
can kill a cat.
There is also no cure once they get them. I rather like Revolution, it
helps
with ear mites, roundworms, hookworms, fleas, etc.

On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Kerry MacKenzie
wrote:

> Dear all,
> Just received this from my vet's clinic. My first instinct is no,
but I
> would welcome your thoughts on the necessity for "all-year-round
> Revolution"?
> Thanks!
> Kerry M.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Heartworm

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Thanks Avia! 

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of James Rauscher
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Hi Kerry,

   One of my cats (FeLV-) was diagnosed with asthma about a year ago.
The symptoms for asthma and heartworm are similar, I guess, but the vet
was confident it was not heartworm (she did not test for that, but did a
couple of tests for asthma), and Horus responded beautifully to Flovent,
so we are sure it was not heartworm. The vet told us that it is more
prevalent in the South and other warmer climates. I bought heartworm
meds for my dog recently (while my cats were having their tests) and no
recommendation was made for putting any of the cats on any heartworm
preventative. I don't know where you live, but it seems that in the
Northeast at least it is not as much of a concern for cats as it for
dogs. If you live in a warmer climate or travel to warmer climates with
your cat(s), then it may be a good idea. Hope this is helpful!

Avia


  

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Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Heartworm?

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

 I didn't notice---shows how sedated I must be :>)

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duhI meant to say "under sedation for surgery"geez, what a
maroon...

Debbie (COL)
"The time is always right to do what is right" -  Martin Luther King


 
> From: dlh1...@hotmail.com
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 22:31:16 +0500
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Heartworm?
> 
> 
> Kerry, when I was MUCH younger, vets would tell you that cats couldn't
get heartworms...but I have seen for myself that it is possible. I have
not used Revolution, but the spay/neuter clinic routinely uses it for
every animal they put under for sedation.
> 
> I do keep my cats on Frontline and Advantage...wouldn't that kill any
mosquito borne parasite as well? Curious kittens arecurious.
> 
> Debbie (COL)
> "The time is always right to do what is right" - Martin Luther King
> 
> 
> 
> > Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 09:41:21 -0700
> > From: kerrymacken...@ymail.com
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: [Felvtalk] Feline Heartworm?
> > 
> > Dear all,
> > Just received this from my vet's clinic. My first instinct is
no, but I would welcome your thoughts on the necessity for
"all-year-round Revolution"? 
> > Thanks!
> > Kerry M.
> > 
> > Feline Heartworm Update:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Dear Pet Owner, April 2009
> > 
> > A new study from Auburn University has indicated that heartworm
disease in cats is a far bigger issue than previously thought. Cats can
get heartworm infection through the simple bite of an infected mosquito.
Studies have shown: Indoor cats are just as susceptible to infection
when mosquitoes enter our home.
> > 
> > Once bitten, immature heartworms are transmitted and the heartworm
lifecycle begins. The larval worms then start their journey through the
body, ultimately affecting the heart, blood vessels and lungs.
> > 
> > A cat's body is designed to respond and kill foreign invaders,
including heartworm larvae before they develop into adults. As the cat's
body responds, the intense inflammatory reaction causes severe damage to
the lung tissue. This disease state is clinically recognized as
Heartworm Associated Respiratory Disease or H.A.R.D. Once this damage to
the lung tissue occurs, it is not reversible and there is no treatment
to remove the adult heartworms from a cat.
> > 
> > With this new information we are now recommending ALL CATS be put on
Revolution year round. Revolution is a broad spectrum parasiticide that
in addition to preventing heartworm also prevents intestinal parasites,
ear mites and fleas.
> > 
> > Please contact us if you would like to discuss prevention for your
cat. 
> > 
> > Sincerely,
> > 
> > The Doctors and Staff at Roscoe Village Animal Hospital 
> > 
> > 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Flanagan Please add to the CLS

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

 
What a lovely picture you draw of your Flanny, Sherry...I'm so sorry his
rebound was short-lived. He sounds like he was a happy little soul and
will be hugely missed by you all. I'm glad he was so loved and
well-cared for.
Kerry M.
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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sherry DeHaan
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 7:46 PM
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Subject: [Felvtalk] Flanagan Please add to the CLS

Well we sadly lost another one of our Sids kids.Flanagan was quite the
spunky boy.He was an orange tiger that LOVED to wash windows! He has had
his ups and downs in the passed six months.And just recently got a bunch
of his feisty silliness back,even just this Monday he helped me do the
special feedings and kept me company.He passed away during the night
last night and I feel for the volunteers that went in and found him this
morning.I would have been devastated.We knew his time was getting
shorter but he just made a major comeback.Maybe he was just giving us a
last glimpse of the Flanny we have ALL came to love.We love you baby
boy.
Sherry


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Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached.
Unable to accept its awful gaps.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Bashful to cross at 2:15 today (EST) Tampa, FL

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

I'm so sorry to hear about Bashful, Heather. Prayers for Pepper,
meantime. I do hope she doesn't become chronically depressed. This is
the first time I've heard of an active attempt to treat feral cats'
illness and I really applaud you. I have 2 feral cats and I know how
difficult it is. 
Hugs and bless you,
Kerry M

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 1:25 PM
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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bashful to cross at 2:15 today (EST) Tampa, FL

I would like to add, please also send prayers for Pepper, Bashful's
elderly
buddy who after being treated for scabies recently, is still going
strong at
the Library, but she is FIV+, also more than 10 years old and is
deafBashful was Pepper's "ears" and we know Pepper will miss her
very
much.   Please pray for Pepper's safety.

Heather

On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Heather  wrote:

> I haven't posted much lately, sadly have had quite a few rescue losses
in
> the last months as well as rescue "emergencies" which has me so behind
on
> all fronts
>
> However, one of our dear, fairly elderly university campus ferals,
Bashful,
> will be crossing this afternoon and I wanted to share her story so
that many
> thoughts will be with her.
>
> Bashful's caregiver has been taking care of her for at least 10 years,
she
> disappeared a couple of weeks ago which was attributed to roofers at
the
> Library where she has lived for so many years.   When she showed back
up she
> was clearly in dire need of help.   Elaine her caregiver called me for
help
> trapping, 2 friends and I set out without much success the first two
> days--it was heartbreaking, she was half under the drop trap the first
night
> but just a bit of food made her choke & cough so horribly, we had
tears in
> our eyes just hearing & watching.  Her neck was very, very swollen
impairing
> her ability to eat and walk.
>
> We got her 2 nights later, began b/w, examcytology via needle
aspirate
> confirmed a high grade, aggressive lymphoma.
>
> We discussed the possibility of chemo but Bashful is very feral and
already
> unhappy even being at the vet, it was clear this was not going to be a
way
> to give her quality time and that she was already in a very bad state.
>
> One of my good campus friends who came to the call to help drop trap
is
> leaving now to be with Bashful for her final moments.   Bashful was
not
> FELV+ (likely was FIV+), but I know many here can sympathize with the
> dreadful diagnosis of lymphoma.
>
> We treat feral cats for illnesses as much as we possibly can, I've
actually
> got 14 campus feral kitty Bobbye on my porch now for that reason (CRF,
FIV+,
> along with Toxoplasmosis & possible eye tumor which has not
> progressed--she's done well other than not liking the fluids of
> course)but it just didn't seem there were any way we could put
Bashful
> through chemo, weekly vet visits, and possibly never feeling good
enough for
> the time to have been of quality for her.   She is very stressed at my
vet
> and we hope things go as peacefully as possible this afternoon.
>
> Go with love, sweet Bashful, and know how badly we wanted to help
you--you
> will not be forgotten.
>
> Heather
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Re: [Felvtalk] My Mickey

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

I'm so very sorry, Viky. It is so, so hard when we lose our furbabes,
and especially when they suffer in this way. I'm glad Mickey found you
and was so loved and cared for those during his 8 years with you. 
Know you're in my thoughts,
Big hugs
Kerry M.

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Viky Digangi
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 3:51 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] My Mickey

In October I joined the group requesting information on hemangio sarcoma
which my felv cat was diagnosed with.  Everything I read was bad.  He
had the first tumor removed on 10-13-08.  It came back this time two
tumors and they were removed on 1-6-09. This surgery was very, very
difficult on him to get over.  Then on 2-13-09 the vet discovered it had
come back even more rapidly than the first time.  x-rays showed nothing
in the lungs or spleen but the liver was hard to see though not
enlarged.  This past Monday he stopped eating and drinking and I knew it
was time.  The next morning  I took my heart disguised as a little 7
pound black and white angel to the vet for the final time.  The night
before I laid him on the bed next to me and he stared into my face
purring for hours.  The cancer had spread to his liver and I knew I
could not stand for him be in pain.   Before I took him to the vet I
wrapped him in his cat blanket and walked him all over the yard so he
could see his !
 ducks and feel the air on his face.  He loved to be outside.   So from
start to finish he lived 19 weeks from diagnosis.  This is a deadly,
aggressive cancer and I hope none of you experience it with your babies.
I had my little man for 8 years and 7 months and they were worth every
minute.

 
 
Viky Digangi
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Re: [Felvtalk] Juno Please add to the CLS :(

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

 I'm so sorry, Sherry. At least she was lucky enough to live out her life at 
the sanctuary surrounded by love and companionship.
Hugs, Kerry M.

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sherry DeHaan
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 10:36 PM
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Subject: [Felvtalk] Juno Please add to the CLS :(

What can I say about our Juno? Well she came to Sids sanctuary along with her 
two boys Jupiter and Pluto the fall of 2005 just before I started volunteering 
there.I never had the pleasure of meeting Jupiter but I adored our Juno (Juny 
butts).And  just love my Pluto( Pooty Poots)he is one of my many boyfriends 
there. :) Juno will be greatly missed.I will always look at her favorite spot 
and think of  her .
Sherry


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Re: [Felvtalk] testing the list

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Your email reached me, James--thanks for checking, hope you're well too.
Best, Kerry M.

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Hey all, 

Just testing the list since there's been no activity since 
Saturday. Here's hoping that everyone is doing well. 
Best wishes to all.

James G. Wilson - phaed...@charter.net
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Re: [Felvtalk] OT: My Mother went to the Rainbow Bridge

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

I'm so sorry, Terrie. What a truly wonderful your woman your mother
clearly was. You must be so proud of her.
I hope all the good memories you have of her will bring you comfort in
the weeks and months to come.
Please know you're in my thoughts,
Kerry M.

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Subject: [Felvtalk] OT: My Mother went to the Rainbow Bridge


 
Hello  everyone,
I'm letting everyone know this is part of my grieving and makes me feel

little better. 
To let you know the situation if I don't respond right away to prior
emails.
Another email was sent to all the rescues groups of the same wording.
 
Many of you have ask about my mother and sent many prayers by emails,
phone  
calls, also in person to my mother and myself.
With  great sadness in my heart today my mother passed away this
morning. 
As she wished she wants to be cremated and be buried with my father.
I spent many hours with her the last few days only home long enough to
feed  
and do litter boxes.
 
She was an  avid animal lover especially when it came to cats and
kittens.
She was a  reputable breeder from the 60's to early 80's.
Her breed was  Siamese and Persian cats.
In the last  20 years she chose to take homeless and rescue kitties into
her  
home.
They were  given very much needed love and care.
When she  would come to visit me as she was in a convalescent home
during the 
last year  she would get her kitty fixes by coming to my home.
She would  call all of the rescue cats and kittens to her along with my 
personal kitties.  So she could be around them all and give them plenty
of love. 
She took such  pleasure in this. She would spoil them greatly.
Even feeding them such as turkey, chicken, and beef when she could get
away  
with it.
 
Her services  will be at a later date.
I will let  you all know.
My brother is  putting article in the local newspaper about her within
the 
next day or  two.
 
Thanks again  for all your support in the past and present regarding my

mother!

 
Please  vote!

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Re: [Felvtalk] (Fwd) Blood transfusion on Felv+ cat

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

I am very sorry that you had such a bad experience, Jennifer. It's
really unforgivable that a vet should be so unclear about what to expect
from a transfusion for a kitty with nonregenerative anemia. I had my
FeLV kitty, Flavia, given a transfusion after she was diagnosed with
nonregenerative anemia and her hematocrit dropped to 7.5. Unlike
Jennifer's careless (unethical?) vet, mine did tell me it would give her
(only) an extra couple of weeks at most. I wanted those extra weeks to
try to find a way to prolong her life significantly. I obtained
immunoregulin for her but too late, so I didn't get a chance to try it.
Nonetheless, in the same circumstances, I would not do a transfusion
again. It was tremendously stressful for Flavia, it was very expensive
($1000 total for transfusion plus drawing my healthy cat's blood) and it
gave her only 10 days extra (her HCT went up to 23), when her HCT
plummeted again to 13. Like Jennifer, I would much rather concentrate on
doing everything possible to ensure my cat enjoys every moment of the
rest of her time, however long that may be, in the comfort of her own
home.
Kerry M.


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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of James G Wilson
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 9:05 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] (Fwd) Blood transfusion on Felv+ cat

--- Forwarded message follows ---
From:   Jennifer Dykhouse 

To: 
Subject:Blood transfusion on Felv+ cat
Date sent:  Wed, 21 Jan 2009 14:17:45 -0500


Hello everyone,
 
I thought I'd let you know how the blood transfusion 
helped/didn't help my Felv+ cat, so that if you need to 
reach that decision, you can see my example.
 
The day before we did the blood transfusion, Mr. Darcy's 
hematocrit count was at 7 (I was told that 30 is the lowest 
you can be and still be healthy).  He was extremely 
lethargic and as a result would eat. He lost 2 pounds in a 
month (even with us assist feeding him) and he was 
starting to catch a respiratory bug.
 
Right after the transfusion, which cost 800 dollars and 
took about 5 hours, his hematocrit was at 17.  That's 
great, but I am upset. I was thinking he'd be brought up to 
a healthy level, not just a slightly better level.  He had 
perked up and he is eating turkey baby food now, but he 
still is extremely tired and now he has balance troubles. 
 
What I am most upset with was the lack of information 
from my vet and the animal hospital. When told about the 
blood transfusion by my normal vet, she made it sound 
like he'd be back at a healthy level and that it could work 
for months and that it was perfectly safe. When we were 
handing him over to the vet at the hospital, he finally told 
me that Mr. Darcy could die during the procedure and that 
it may only last a few hours, days. I am furious. It makes 
me feel like money is more important then informing the 
owner.
 
I have decided to not do any more transfusions due to the 
fact that he's in the last stage of his illness and going to 
the vet really stresses him out. He won't eat for the rest of 
the day and since the transfusion may only give him days, 
I would rather have him enjoy his last days/weeks.  So 
right now, we're at the point where the most we can do is 
get him to eat and sleep and to pet him and love him as 
much as we can.
 
Now, your cat may have a different experience, but I just 
wanted to tell my story.
 
Jennifer and Mr. Darcy
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Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: Your message to Felvtalk awaits moderator approval

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

The string is likely too long---just chop it off and resubmit. Often
happens to me, too. 

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Rauschert
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 11:28 AM
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why do I always get this??/ Is there someone there I can call to
straighten 
out why I cannot answer any FELV mail??? Carolyn
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[Felvtalk] From Saint Hideyo

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Dear all
Hideyo Yamamoto is a former long-time member of the list who is
absolutely tireless in her support and championing of homeless cats. As
those who know Hideyo from the list will agree, she is one truly
incredible individual who has never met a homeless cat that she doesn't
take under her wing--I dubbed her Saint Hideyo while she was active on
the list.
She is filing for a 501c and as the cost is a whopping $750
(outrageous!) she is seeking donations to offset the cost and asked me
if I would post a message to the list. See details below. 
Thanks, Kerry
Here is the relevant part of Hideyo's email:

I finally formed a non-profit organization called, Street Cat
Foundation..the goal for the organization is to purchase a land and
build a sanctuary for feral kitties who were brought to the shelter and
on a death row... and also educate the community about feral kitties and
colonies so that people will NOt trap feral and take them to the pound
to be destroyed.. it's a huge dream..  and it may take a long time to
accomplish.. but never say never..
 
Right now, I am trying to come up with a logo and slogan and get the
website ready.. right now,, the slogan will be something like this..
 
Building a Bridge to Save Haven for our Feral Friendswhat do you
think?
 
also, I am trying to get 501c status paper work done.. IRS now charges
$750 for filing fee!!  So, i am trying to raise fund for that, too..
Are you still on felk group, Kerry?  Does felk group accept a
solicitation email? If so, it would be great if you could forward my
email to the group and see if anyone will be able to offer any
donations.
 
I have a website for my business.. www.fromwagstowhiskers.net - that
will take paypal payments or a check can be made at
 
Street Cat Foundation
c/o Hideyo Yamamoto
214 Edith Blvd. SE
Albuquerque, NM 87102
 
Kerry, I am also going to use this video on my very front of the website
so that this is the first thing anyone will see.. and I am planning to
use this video and going to schools to educate students.. let me know
what you think..
 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MayFe183_7Q

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Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Woodgie and Grey to the candlelightingceremony

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

I'm so sorry, Anne, for your loss of Woodgie and Grey. That's so hard,
to lose not just one but two in the same year.
At least they each had many happy years with you. I hope all the good
memories eventually diminish the sadness.
Please know you're in my thoughts---you are just the best, not allowing
the heartbreak to get in the way of doing all you can for our furbabes.

Hugs, Kerry M. 

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anne
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 1:46 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Please add Woodgie and Grey to the
candlelightingceremony

Dear Belinda,
Would you please add my Woodgie's name to the candlelighting
ceremony list?  She was not feline leukemia positive.  She was 9 years
old, a sweet little tortie girl, who had severe allergies all her life,
including those awful rodent ulcers on her lip now and then.  I don't
know what she died of but since she was doing great only hours
beforehand, and demanding her lunch and eating it heartily, I am
thinking heart.  Two of her siblings died young of heart problems but
since she survived her youth, I thought she was safe.  She died
Thanksgiving day, November 27, 2008.

Grey died on May 17th, 2008, at age 16.  I feel terrible I forgot to
ask you to add his name to the list at that time, apparently.  He was
not FeLV positive, either.  He was really my daughter's cat, although he
ended up with me for most of his life.  He was a friendly, bottle-cap
fetching lovable comedian, all grey but with a white splash on his chest
for flair.  He died of liver cancer.

   Thanks, Belinda,
Anne in Michigan with FeLV angels Buggs, Jimi Too Cool, Simms, Nala and
Sammy and  other beloveds waiting for me at the bridge
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Re: [Felvtalk] B. B. died - please add to the Candlelight service (dowe still have one?)

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

I'm so sorry Gloria. B.B. sounds such a darling, and a real trooper. But
I'm glad he found you and knew at last what it was to have a happy life,
sadly short though it was. Bless you both. 
Big hugs,
Kerry M.

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Subject: [Felvtalk] B. B. died - please add to the Candlelight service
(dowe still have one?)

One of my FELV kitties, B.B., died in the early morning of Dec 2,  
2008, and I'd love to have him added to the Bridge list.  He was a  
double positive (FELV+, FIV+), had been found at a local dump in the  
Little Rock vicinity, and taken in to our rescue.  I've fostered him  
since October 2006, and he's been such a sweet, loving cat.  But he  
developed a tail infection a while back, and we've been dealing with  
that ever since.  He alway ate like a horse, till the last couple of  
days.

He never could gain weight or pull out of the illness, he may have had  
other things going on, I'm not sure.

B.B., who I think stands for Beautiful Boy, crossed over to the Bridge  
early yesterday morning, Tuesday December 2, 2008. He was a sweet boy.

Gloria

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Re: [Felvtalk] ELISA & IFA

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

 
Update: Well, MaryChristine is dead right when she says the "...experts can't 
agree". My vet called me back in response to my request for a serum ELISA and 
said he has *never* had a problem with using whole blood (though he'll be happy 
to do serum if that's what's wanted). So basically he's at odds with the 
(feline-specialty) vet on his staff who had told me serum was the ONLY way to 
go! (I did tell him about the fact she and I had spoken and that she had been 
emphatic about using serum.) He went online to a "vet only" website while we 
were on the phone and pulled up a word doc (2003), and an email (2008). The 
relevant info in the word doc appears to favor serum, plasma, saliva & tears; 
the email is from Susan Little DVM. But she's not talking from her own 
experience, nor does she make a categoric statement that whole blood is as 
accurate. She does say there were concerns in the past about using whole blood 
but "doesn't think" that's the current case.
At any rate, I think we'll be doing an IFA next when funds allow. Unlike the 
vet on his staff, my vet didn't feel the necessity to start over with 
ELISA/serum. 
Kerry PS Not allowed to send the whole attachment to list, but if anyone wants 
it (possible outdated-ness notwithstanding) just let me have your private 
address and I'll forward.

Diagnostic Methods for Feline Viral Pathogens
ACVIM 2003
Melissa A. Kennedy, DVM, PhD, DACVM 
Knoxville, TN
introduction
Diagnosis of viral infections of cats can be a challenge for the practitioner. 
Identification of the infectious agent involved in a disease is important not 
only for determination of the best treatment protocol, but also in terms of 
control and prevention. The variety of diagnostic assays available, the advent 
of newer molecular assays, and the differing recommendations that may be 
offered from diagnostic laboratories can be confusing. Interpretation of the 
results of the assays used also may not be straightforward-results may vary 
with the sample, methodology, and laboratory utilized.
In an attempt to clarify some of the issues important in viral diagnostics, the 
general methodology of the available assays will be briefly described. 
Individual agents and the various diagnostic assays useful for each will be 
explained and include Feline Herpesvirus-1, Feline Calicivirus, Feline 
Parvovirus/Canine Parvovirus-2b, Feline Coronavirus, Feline Immunodeficiency 
Virus, and Feline Leukemia Virus.


Feline Leukemia Virus
Detection of viral antigen is the test of choice for feline leukemia virus. 
While viral antibody may be present, it does not provide information on whether 
the animal is persistently infected with the virus. Also, the use of the FeLV 
vaccine can complicate interpretation of results. The test used most commonly 
is the ELISA, of which there are a number available. This test assays for the 
p27 core antigen of FeLV and may be done on serum/plasma, saliva, or tears, 
depending upon the kit. IFA may also be used on whole blood smears. The ELISA 
is a sensitive assay, and can detect infection during the primary viremia. The 
majority of cats positive at this stage will go on to clear the virus, thus 
retesting of positive cats is required to determine the persistence of 
infection (2). IFA does not detect infection until the secondary viremia, after 
infection of precursor cells in the bone marrow; thus, animals positive by IFA 
are less likely to clear the virus (2). ELISA +, IFA-cats should be retested in 
2-3 months; ELISA -, IFA + cats are uncommon and should also be retested. False 
positive results occur at a significant rate among ELISA kits (4). This can be 
due to the use in some kits of mouse antibody to capture the FeLV antigen, and 
the presence of antibody to mouse immunoglobulin in some cats (2). False 
positive results with ELISA's have also been documented due to the use of whole 
blood. False positive results using IFA have been documented with some 
anticoagulants (2). Therefore, use of fresh whole blood to make the smears is 
recommended. PCR has been investigated for detection of latent infections in 
bone marrow, but has not proven superior to ELISA/IFA combinations (5). 

REFERENCES
1.  Andrew, Stacy E. (2000), "Feline Infectious Peritonitis", in Veterinar 
Clinics of North America, Small Animal Practice, September, 30(5):987-1000.
2.  Barr, Margaret C. (1996), "FIV, FeLV, and FIPV: Interpretation and 
Misinterpretation of Serological Test Results", Sem. In Vet. Med. And Surg., 
August, 11(3): 144-153.
3.  Burgesser, Kent M., Stephanie Hotaling, Anita Schiebel, Scott E. Ashbaugh, 
Steven M. Roberts, and James K. Collins (1999), "Comparison of PCR, Virus 
Isolation, and, Indirect Fluorescent Antibody Staining in the Detection of 
Naturally Occurring Feline Herpesvirus Infections" , J. Vet. Diag. Invest., 
March, 11:122-126.
4.  Hartmann, K., R. M. Werner, H. Egberink, and O. Jarrett (2001), "Comparison 
of Six In-House Tests

Re: [Felvtalk] Buzz is gone

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

I'm so sorry for your loss, Sue. But I'm so glad he found you and
discovered what it was to be loved--truly loved--and cared for. Buzz
couldn't have wished for a better home. He sounds such a happy cat, and
I hope all the good memories eventually bring you comfort.
Big hugs,
Kerry M.


> Today I had to have my sweet little kitty Buzz PTS.  I feel like a
very 
> large piece of me is missing.
>
> The first time I saw Buzz I fell in love with him.  He was terrified, 
> cowering between two up-ended mattresses in an unused bedroom at my 
> brothers' house.  He had been abused by neighborhood boys in an urban
area 
> where my brother used to live.  When my sister in law, Lee, rescued
him he 
> was very sick, full of parasites, starving and near death.  She and my

> brother nursed him back to physical health but he was still terrified
of 
> people. They named him Buzz Saw because of the way his claws flew
whenever 
> anyon
> e got near him.  That day Lee caught him in a blanket and handed him
to 
> me.  I sat with him and gently pet him and talked to him.  Within
about 20 
> minutes he was purring. Before we left that day he reached up to me
and 
> touched noses.
>
> After about a week I talked my husband into keeping him.  When I
brought 
> him home I put him into our study so he had a smaller space to get
used 
> to, and to keep him separate from the other cats. When I took him to
the 
> vet a few days later his feline leukemia test came back positive.
Buzz 
> was going to live in the study for quite a while so I filled it with
cat 
> toys and a cat tree and pretty much spoiled him as much as much as I 
> could. Every evening I would spend hours with him.  I was working on a

> computer
> project and he kept me company with that. That is how it was from
January 
> of '07 to April.  At that point it was clear that keeping him separate
was 
> not working.  We vaccinated the other cats for feline leukemia and 
> released Buzzy into the rest of the house.  He loved his new freedom
and 
> became every ones quiet little shadow. He loved to watch what was
going 
> on.  His favorite place was a window bench that looks out on the bird 
> feeder.  At night he either slept on a ledge right behind my head or 
> cuddled up n
> ext to me, purring.  When July came I noticed that he seemed to have
no 
> energy and was not eating.  When we took him to the vet the diagnosis
was 
> anemia.  With heavy doses of prednesolone his health and red blood
count 
> began to come back.  I was so happy watching my sweet boy gaining back
his 
> energy and appetite.  While he was recuperating I would take him out
to 
> sit on the deck on my lap.  He loved sniffing the outdoor smells and 
> feeling the warm sunshine on his fur.  He would sit and purr out there
for 
> as
> long as I could sit and hold him.  In the evenings Buzzy loved to
chase 
> DaBird and the laser pointer.  His blood was being tested every couple
of 
> weeks and soon it was in the normal range.  We began to back off on
the 
> prednesolone.  For several weeks everything was going well until the
week 
> that his blood count started going the wrong direction.  I prayed that
it 
> was just the one time but unfortunately not.  That horrible disease
was in 
> his bone marrow and the medication was no longer helping.  For the las
> t several weeks I watched as he became more and more lethargic.  We 
> offered him every special treat we could think of to keep him eating
and 
> he would nibble on those tidbits almost to the end.  He would sit all
day 
> on his window seat and for the last week we carried him to the litter
box. 
> He always watched every move I made as I moved around the kitchen.
Today 
> when he just put his head down in exhaustion instead of watching, I
knew 
> it was time to say goodbye to my darling boy. When I took him to the
vet I
> told him how much I have loved him and asked him to meet me at the
bridge. 
> Then he went to sleep in my arms.  I will miss him so very much, but
now 
> he is in a place where there is no feline leukemia.
>
> Sue
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[Felvtalk] ELISA & IFA

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

 
Hi all

I would welcome your input:

I thought I had a handle on the whole ERISA/IFA thing and when to test,
but after speaking to a vet, I'm confused again.

Here's the background:

My foster positive, Daisy, aged 4 months, has been tested 3 times
(ELISA) since September 6 and come up positive each time. (I was only in
the picture for the most recent test, this week-- I don't know why she
was tested 3 times in 2 months.)

I did a whole bunch of research in the list mail archives this week to
try and best determine the answer to Daisy's primary guardian/rescuer's
"What now?" question; looking at all the info, I decided that IFA should
be next, and probably in January.

At the same time the primary guardian/rescuer asked me to ask my
(wonderful) vet to get his opinion. Well, I didn't actually speak to
him, but to one of the other vets on his staff, who I know nothing about
apart from the fact that she's listed on my vet's website as "DVM, DABVP
feline."  The first question she asked me was whether the previous
ELISAs were done with blood or serum (I didn't know, so I said I just
saw the tech draw the blood and then SNAP test it.) She then said it
should be the serum that's tested and that an ELISA should be done
again; and then an IFA at the same time. 

I said I understood it wasn't a good idea to do them at the same time
because the IFA would automatically reflect the ELISA result. She
emphatically disagreed, saying "discordance" often happens.

She also said that a cat that tests negative with both ERISA and IFA can
actually be positive--she used the term "occult infection" which would
not show on the IFA. 

(She said this in response to MY response to HER statement that Daisy
very likely became FeLV through her mother: I said that I had once had 4
kittens, all pos, and an adult female, who we assumed was the mom but
always tested negative. So, I reasoned, these kittens must have become
FeLV after they were born, so why not Daisy)

Anyway, I guess my question is, is anyone familiar with a) the blood
versus serum business; and b) occult infection giving a "false negative"
(my term) on an IFA. Knowing from our collective experience how vigilant
we need to be, and how we can't afford to assume all info from vets is
correct, I would very much appreciate hearing your opinions.

Thanks,

Kerry M.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Romeo is gone....

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Chris,
What a very moving and inspiring story you write of your sweet little Romeo. 
What a vivid picture you paint--I can imagine him meowing like crazy as he 
headed towards you and the food. I'm so very, very sorry that you've lost 
him--I know how devastatingly quickly and suddenly it happens with our FeLV 
babies--but I'm glad he had such a loving and caring home for these past 5 
years, and he never had to worry about where his next meal was coming from, or 
where he might find shelter. You truly gave him a life worth living.
Love and hugs
Kerry M

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Subject: [Felvtalk] Romeo is gone

It is with a very heavy heart that I tell you that I lost my Romeo today to
lymphoma.  I write not out of grief but to encourage all the newbies who
wonder whether they can hang on with a FELV positive, whether they know
enough to take care of them, whether they should mix, etc.  And the
resounding answer is YES YES YES.  My Romeo was a throw away stray that I
first met 7+ years ago when I helped someone out feeding a little colony
near me.  He was already an adult (3-4 years old) who would come running
across the field when I'd whistle and meow the whole way so I wouldn't miss
him.  He would get underfoot, get bullied by the other cats, bury
everybody's food, and just rub up against my leg for some loving.  I knew
someone had been unkind to him cause if I raised my hand, he'd scamper away,
just out of reach, cowering.  

 

Fast forward two years and we had one of the coldest NY winters we've had in
a long time.  One weekend, we were expecting zero degree temps and a major
snowstorm.  Romeo was the last of the colony and I knew I had to bring him
in.  I even had an adoptive home ready-but he turned out to be positive and
they couldn't handle it.  Soo, he stayed in my room for a few weeks,
watching my every move, figuring out the TV and the vacuum cleaner weren't
that bad.  Slowly, he started coming out of his crate at night when he
thought I was asleep.  Little baby steps-first the food dish got moved next
to his crate.  Then the litter box in the bathroom.  And slowly, he'd come
out during the day.  I knew we won the battle when I peeked out over my
monitor to spot him on my bed.  You could see it in his face-this is
niiice and from that point on, he was totally
comfortable being in and around we humans.  Funny thing is that he never
really wanted to get out-he rarely sat at the window-the couch and the bed
were always much more comfortable for him!

 

Over these last 4 ½ years, Romeo turned into the most loving cat you'd ever
want to meet.  Only thing I could never do was pick him up or restrain him
in any way---he was just too scared.  But he'd jump up on me, lie on my
chest as I was trying to get to sleep, follow me around like a puppy dog and
otherwise just kept thanking all the humans he met for being safe and warm
and loved.  My other cats were a bit leary of him and Tucson never did take
much of a liking to him-all jealousy, I'm sure.  But Romeo persevered and
the two of them had come to terms with each other...

 

His final illness took him quickly.  He'd never been real sick before-had
some gum and teeth problems a couple of times, but that was it.  Going to
the vet was a major trauma for him so I'd always worked with my wonderful
vet to keep those visits to a bare minimum.  But today was one of those days
that I knew he had to get to the vet asap.  He'd been feeling poorly during
the week and over the weekend, he started breathing very hard-like he
couldn't catch his breath.  He'd been on antibiotics for what I thought was
another gum problem but when we got to the vet, I knew it was a whole lot
more.  My vet sent me immediately to our local specialty hospital and they
confirmed the lymphoma.  He had a large mass in his chest, his lungs had
filled up with fluid, and I knew that emotionally and physically, he could
never withstand an aggressive course of treatment that in all likelihood
would only give him a short extension of his life.  So, I made that decision
we all dread after I looked in his eyes and knew he was telling me it was
time.  I stroked him to the end and told him I loved him.

 

And do I regret taking him in-ABSOLUTELY NOT.  He gave me so many wonderful
memories and he will always be in my heart.  And did he regret coming
inside-ABSOLUTELY NOT-he had almost 5 years of a wonderful life and I know
that had he stayed out, he would have died a miserable death from the cold
and hunger or an infection and he would have been alone.  We can't save them
forever-but we can give them some wonderful time and we can all learn so
very much about life from these little guys.  

 

Christiane Biagi

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Re: [Felvtalk] Dental extraction - advice needed

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Yes, I should have added that--that my vet always gives painkillers after 
extractions. Kerry

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Coco has had most of her teeth removed (gradually ~ over 10 years) due to
gingivitis. She needs annual cleanings. The vet feels her mouth is in good
shape now and that she won't need more extractions. 

This sounds like a very extreme solution, though he IS a specialist. The
pain after one extraction is bad. I can't imagine an entire mouth. A friend
has a cat with stomatitis. She gives her some med the first 5 days of each
month and this is working well.

Good luck. A difficult dilemma.
Laurie

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Subject: [Felvtalk] Dental extraction - advice needed

I am posting this on a few groups - so I apologize for those who see this
more than once. I just want to make sure I get as much advice as possible.

My FeLv+, Bea, has had recurring gingivitis since she adopted me a year
ago. Her gums get red and swollen. We've tried numerous treatments
(brushing,antibiotics,anti-virals,cleaning) but to no avail nothing is
helping her. The anti-biotics worked but have since stopped (which has me
worried on a whole other level).
Other than her gum issue she is a healthy 3 year old.

I took her to a dental specialist yesterday who said the best course of
action at this point would be partial, possibly full extraction. He said it
was stomatitis, but nothing like the pictures I've seen on it - beginning
stages. I was wondering if anyone else has had either full or
partial extraction done and could offer any suggestions/advice.
I know it's probably the right thing to do but I'm just wondering how others
have adjusted to life with no or few teeth.  And if anyone has experienced
any complications I should be made aware of.

Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. 
Thanks
Dawn


  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Dental extraction - advice needed

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

My Mickey (now negative) had all his teeth, which were rotten, extracted last 
year---he's still a chubby, feisty little feral. His behavior hasn't changed. 
My understanding is that after the first few days of recuperation cats 
generally adjust well.
There is always a degree of risk (as with humans) in the anesthesia required 
for dental. Four of mine have had dentals, some more than once; all came thru 
unscathed. My vet always calls immediately it's over to let me know all ok.
Also, see below, sent recently by former listmember Nina. 
Good luck to Bea!

>>>This is interesting. My sister just called to tell me she heard on the radio 
>>>about a study indicating that yogurt consumption aids in reducing gingivitis 
>>>and periodontal disease. I'm hoping it might make some difference in felv 
>>>kitties gingivitis, maybe even stomatitis. In any case it seems like 
>>>something that might be tried under the "It can't hurt" rule. I'm going to 
>>>start eating more yogurt just in case it may help my mouth. Could one of you 
>>>please pass this on to the list just in case?

I did a quick Goggle and came up first with this home remedy site:

http://www.savvynaturalhealer.com/2008/02/fight-gum-disease-with-yogurt.html

"From Japan's Kyushu University comes a report of a new study published in this 
month's Journal of Periodontology 
that finds that eating yogurt may prevent gum disease.

The scientists learned that eating at least two ounces (56 g) of foods cultured 
with the friendly bacterium Lactobacillus 
significantly reduced the risk of severe gingivitis, that is, with pockets more 
than 2 mm (about 1/10 of an inch) deep in 
the gums. The benefits of Lactobacillus held even when the researchers 
accounted for differences in age, gender, 
frequency of tooth brushing, blood sugar levels, cholesterol levels, smoking, 
and alcohol consumption.

What the scientists did not find was a protective role for consumption of milk 
and cheese. These foods seem to feed the 
bacteria that attack the gums. Only yogurt and similar foods were helpful. It's 
well known that acidity produced by 
Lactobacilli kills E. coli, Campylobacter, and Salmonella."<

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Subject: [Felvtalk] Dental extraction - advice needed

I am posting this on a few groups - so I apologize for those who see this more 
than once. I just want to make sure I get as much advice as possible.

My FeLv+, Bea, has had recurring gingivitis since she adopted me a year ago. 
Her gums get red and swollen. We've tried numerous treatments 
(brushing,antibiotics,anti-virals,cleaning) but to no avail nothing is helping 
her. The anti-biotics worked but have since stopped (which has me worried on a 
whole other level).
Other than her gum issue she is a healthy 3 year old.

I took her to a dental specialist yesterday who said the best course of action 
at this point would be partial, possibly full extraction. He said it was 
stomatitis, but nothing like the pictures I've seen on it - beginning stages. I 
was wondering if anyone else has had either full or partial extraction done and 
could offer any suggestions/advice.
I know it's probably the right thing to do but I'm just wondering how others 
have adjusted to life with no or few teeth.  And if anyone has experienced any 
complications I should be made aware of.

Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. 
Thanks
Dawn


  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten chronic loose stool

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Thanks so much Tracey for all this helpful info. Will look at the site
as soon as I get a break from work.  
I'm picking up more meds tonight, and if that does nothing, then this
will be my backup plan.
Your story about Abbey is very encouraging--congratulations. She's a
lucky little girl that she found you!
Kerry

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Kerry, I have had a little experience with the loose stools you're
talking 
about.
A few months ago I found a kitten (Abbey) who was near death who tested
+. 
She had
uncontrollable diarrhea, I mean it was everywhere and she didn't even
seem 
to
know it was coming out.  Of course she had been starving and eating God 
knows
what.  But I fed her only the best food (Wellness canned) to try to get
her 
healthy.
She was wormed and was on antibiotics for 10 days initially. Gradually
over 
the first
few weeks she got better and better, but she would still 'ooze'
frequently 
outside
the litter box, and inside the box it was still extremely loose like 
babyfood.   So I
started giving her Fortiflora (recommended by the vet) for 30 days. It
did 
help a little
bit, but it was never solid like it should have been.
I have 3 other cats, all -'s and I have fed them a homemade raw
chicken 
and bones diet for the
last 9 months.  I was reluctant to give it to her (Abbey) because I was 
hoping to find her a home
and it would be very unlikely that anyone else would give her that same 
diet, so I didn't
want her system to have to get used to a different diet.  Anyway, after 
about 6 weeks
of dealing with the diarrhea, I started feeding her the raw diet.  It
was 
amazing!  Within a week
it was solid as can be, and she is really the picture of health.
Another cat I took in a year ago (Missy), a stray starving kitten,
also 
had diarrhea issues, but hers
also had blood in it (bright red).  Of course I had her stools checked
and 
they never found anything
wrong, which is terribly frustrating.  You know there has to be
something 
wrong if there is blood in it.
My vets could never find anything though.  She is the reason I started 
researching cat foods.
I took me a long time to make the decision to make my own food and
it 
also took a while to get them switched
over to this new diet, but it was well worth the effort!  They are so 
healthy!  Their coats are
extremely shiny and softer, their temperaments are better, they are much

more active (playing
more than they ever did), and my 16 lb 'fat cat' has lost a little
weight. 
I just couldn't believe
it could make such a difference.  I got my recipe form catinfo.com and 
catnutrition.com.  These are
awesome websites, one is even a veterinarian.
It is 'complete' if you make it right and use the right ingredients and 
supplements. It is not that expensive.
I make 15 pounds of it at a time and freeze it.  Making the food is a
bit 
intimidating at first, but I have it down pat now.
I will never feed dryfood again, or use anything but a high quality
food. It 
does makes all the difference.
Good luck!
Tracey (Indiana)



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Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 11:56 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Kitten chronic loose stool


>
> Hi all,
> My FeLV foster kitten, Daisy (about 14 weeks old now) has had soft
> stools, and sometimes uncontrollable diarrhea, ever since she was
found
> in the street at 3 weeks.
> When I began fostering her about 5 weeks ago she had been taking meds
> for coccidia for several weeks without improvement. I took her to my
> vet, who has state of the art everything, including feces-testing
> methods, and he found that her coccidia had cleared up (it never
> actually goes away) and what she had was (bad) bacterial growth. He
put
> her on a 3-meds treatment plan that included 5 days Panacure.
> She has control now, but her stool is still baby food consistency.
> My question is---have any of you ever used an exclusive diet of
broiled
> or raw chicken to treat a *kitten's* diarrhea/loose stool?
> I've used it successfully with my former adult FeLV, Snoball, but I'm
> worried about the effects of an incomplete (albeit temporary) diet of
> this kind on a kitten.
> I'd also welcome hearing of any other successful ways that anyone may
> have found in treating kittens' loose stools.
> Thanks!
> Kerry M.
>
>

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Re: [Felvtalk] Seeking homes for cats after death

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

The Tree House cat shelter in Chicago included an item on this topic in a 
recent issue of its magazine--it has a scheme whereby the cat guardian wills a 
specific amount per cat to the shelter in exchange for the shelter taking over 
guardianship -- I think it was $5,000 per cat but it may have been more. I do 
remember gulping when I saw the amount.

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On 10-31, Sharyl wrote:
> Kelly, how does one go about finding a a list of sanctuaries for
> pets to list in ones will.  I have a combo of healthy cats, CRF
> kitties, and FeLV+ kitties.  I'd like to make plans in advance.  At
> 61 I can reasonably expect to live for many years but there is
> always the chance of accidents, unexpected illness, etc.  How does
> a person plan for something like this when it might not be needed
> for 20 yrs? Sharyl
 
This is a HUGE concern of mine too.  I have 15 cats at home, and I'm
75 and my husband is 86!!   Some of these cats are quite young and 
I'm sure we won't out live them.  I'll pay whatever is necessary to
find them a good home, but finding the place or persons is the
problem.  In my will I left $2,000 per cat to each person who will 
take one of my babies, but so far I've not found anyone who will
take them.  My three grown kids can take one or two each, but they
all have a bunch of cats and dogs of their own.  I worry about this
constantly.  If anyone has any ideas speak up.

Lorrie in WV

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Re: [Felvtalk] Essential oil for calming cats

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Thanks MC. My plan was always to diffuse, not to apply to cat. I'll
check out holisticat!

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my understanding is that cats aren't able to break down the actual oils
themselves in the same manner that other species are, so that they act
as
much more powerful concentrates--there are safe and effective ways to
dilute
the oils into various forms that aren't harmful (they've been years for
centuries, after all, especially for pest-relief), but you can't just
assume
that one form will work for each oil.

so i'd go with the no direct contact, and look information on the
specific
oil before making it into any sort of a topical (the new line of paul
mitchell flea shampoos contains tea tree oil, which is considered toxic
to
cats--in a higher than, i think, 1% concentration.. so you really DO
need to look around.)

i'd check out WELL-ESTABLISHED herbalist sites, or someplace like
www.holisticat.com, rather than any place that SELLS the products. just
my
bias. and then do a search for "lavender essential oil toxicity in
felines"
or something similar, just to see what comes up.

i've never, however, heard that the diffused oils are harmful, tho there
is
always the question of the plug-in diffusers and whether THEY are safe.

MC


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> I would never put a drop of essential oil on a cat.  There probably
are
> safe ones to use but the majority are harmful.  I don't know about
using a
> diffuser.  Some cats are sensitive/allergic to fragrances.  It would
depend
> on your cat.
> Sharyl
>
> --- On Fri, 10/31/08, MacKenzie, Kerry N. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Essential oil for calming cats
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org, "felvpositivecats" <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 9:29 AM
>
> Dear all
>
> Does anyone know anything about the safety of using essential oils in
a
> kitty household? My aromatherapist friend says:
>
> >>>>There seem to be two schools of thought, one of which
> (internet) is
> that essential oils in a diffuser can be too strong for cats, but that
> hydrosols (also called hydrolats or floral waters) are safe to use,
> simply sprayed into the air.
> The other source said that a single drop of essential oil [sweet
orange]
> in a diffuser was useful to calm cats.
>
> I don't think myself that a drop of essential oil in a diffuser could
do
> cats much harm.  If this was harmful, I'm sure it would be well known.
> I've never seen any warning about not using a diffuser if you have a
cat
> - or two!<<<<
>
> Thanks! Kerry M.
>
>
>

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Re: [Felvtalk] Essential oil for calming cats

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Thanks Sharyl-- I think I'll disregard oils and look at hydrosols instead. 

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I would never put a drop of essential oil on a cat.  There probably are safe 
ones to use but the majority are harmful.  I don't know about using a 
diffuser.  Some cats are sensitive/allergic to fragrances.  It would depend on 
your cat.
Sharyl

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From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Felvtalk] Essential oil for calming cats
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org, "felvpositivecats" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 9:29 AM

Dear all

Does anyone know anything about the safety of using essential oils in a
kitty household? My aromatherapist friend says:

>>>>There seem to be two schools of thought, one of which
(internet) is
that essential oils in a diffuser can be too strong for cats, but that
hydrosols (also called hydrolats or floral waters) are safe to use,
simply sprayed into the air.  
The other source said that a single drop of essential oil [sweet orange]
in a diffuser was useful to calm cats.

I don't think myself that a drop of essential oil in a diffuser could do
cats much harm.  If this was harmful, I'm sure it would be well known.
I've never seen any warning about not using a diffuser if you have a cat
- or two!<<<<

Thanks! Kerry M.

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[Felvtalk] Essential oil for calming cats

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Dear all

Does anyone know anything about the safety of using essential oils in a
kitty household? My aromatherapist friend says:

There seem to be two schools of thought, one of which (internet) is
that essential oils in a diffuser can be too strong for cats, but that
hydrosols (also called hydrolats or floral waters) are safe to use,
simply sprayed into the air.  
The other source said that a single drop of essential oil [sweet orange]
in a diffuser was useful to calm cats.

I don't think myself that a drop of essential oil in a diffuser could do
cats much harm.  If this was harmful, I'm sure it would be well known.
I've never seen any warning about not using a diffuser if you have a cat
- or two!

Thanks! Kerry M.

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Re: [Felvtalk] got some info on what the IFA actually tests for

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Thanks MC! 

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still need more--seems that it DOES indeed test for ANTIGENS as the
ELISA
does, but for a different sort of antigen.

will send the quotation tomorrow when i'm more awake--it's from a 2001
abstract on managing retroviruses. has some really interesting stuff
about
how accurate or inaccurate ELISA's are. i'm not at all sure that the
information in it is valid now, and it's just an abstract that i've got,
but
fascinating in terms of what we THINK we know now

MC

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Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests positive

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It's a personal decision, Brenda, but ultimately you need to have a vet you 
trust and have confidence in. 
>From what you've said about this vet, she doesn't meet the standard. Also, run 
>as fast as you can from any vet whose first suggestion on hearing "FeLV" is 
>euthanization. 

My vet had only ever dealt with one FeLV cat in the past (and I think the owner 
wanted euthanization--I can't be sure); but he jumped into top gear when he 
realized that I wanted to do everything I could to help my sick FeLV cat. He 
quickly did his research, and also asked me to send any new info I found on the 
felv website! 

Another vet in the same clinic--I couldn't always see my vet in an 
emergency--was cut from the same cloth, and although e.g. she had never used 
immunoregulin, she was keen to learn about it and work with me to try to save 
one of mine who had become symptomatic (non-regenerative anemia, in this 
case--there are several ways in which FeLV cats typically succumb. 

So you need someone who demonstrates that s/he's both highly competent and 
enthusiastic about working with you to do the best for Spazzy.

I would not worry about checking blood counts as a matter of course. The 
important thing is to be on the lookout for abnormal behavior. For example, if 
Spazzy were to stop eating. Or begin eating his litter (a sign of anemia). Or 
become withdrawn---hiding, or turning his back on the room for prolonged 
periods. Or no longer interested in playing.
Cats sleep a lot anyway---has he begun sleeping for an abnormal amount of time?

What exactly makes you think he's not feeling well--can you be specific?

Keep giving him those cuddles!

Kerry 

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Kerry,

THANK YOU SO MUCH!!  I appreciate your kind words and input I now feel hopeful! 
I will try the Vita- Mineral mix recipe. I don't believe Spazzy has cancer 
although the Vet hasn't done any further testing. That was one of my first 
questions to the Vet ...isn't this like cancer? And she said no it's like AIDS 
in a person, it weakens the immune system. She said it's not the disease that 
will kill him it will be the leukemia. I agree with you, I  feel at this point 
it would be worth looking for a  new Vet for Spazzy one who is familiar with 
feline leukemia. Do you think I should call around and ask how familiar they 
are or how many cats they treat yearly with this immune deficiency? I will try 
my best to make him as happy as I possibly can, he does seem happy to be loved, 
and in a warm home not too mention, but I notice he sleeps allot. Is this 
common? I'm sure he's not feeling very well either. I'm sorry you've lost 
kitty's to this , my condolenses.
 Should he be checked every so often for blood counts?





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Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests positive

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

 Glad you're back MC!

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i respectfully disagree.

asymptomatic FeLVs are not sick cats. every sanctuary or multi-cat
household
will gell you that until the virus is activated, FeLVs are just normal
cats--they get sick, they get treated, they get well. in sanctuary
settings,
FeLVs are kept with other FeLVs, in all stages of sickness and health.
since
FeLV kills through opporunistic infections as well as lymphomas and
other
manifestations, if the healthy FeLVs in the populations were seriously
immune-compromised, each time one of them went into their final battle,
all
the others would get sick as well and be unable to fight off the
onslaughts
of new infections.

this does not happen. if you have two FeLVs in the house and one becomes
ill, why doesn't the other, "sick" cat, immediately succumb? this is
another
misunderstanding, i truly believe, from vets who haven't bothered to
keep up
on the research, and/or to adequately educate their patients.

let me tell you, however, if you've ever seen a cat die of
panleukopenia,
you won't ever want it to happen again.

there are ALWAYS risks in using ANY drug, and while there have certainly
been reactions to vaccines throughout time, the way to counter our
over-vaccinated society isn't necessarily to stop doing them at all.

a symptomatic cat is sick; it may not have a thing to do with the FeLV,
but
an asymptomatic cat being sick because it may have FeLV, is like saying
that
all of us who had chicken pox are sick, because we've got that herpes
virus
just waiting to break out into herpes.

MC
(haven't you missed me?)


On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 5:29 PM, MacKenzie, Kerry N. <
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> Sally, I personally would not vaccinate a positive cat. See Jean
Dodds'
> and Charles Loop's (both vets) views here. (The paragraph below is
taken
> from the website.) Kerry M.
>
> http://www.newsagepress.com/protectyourpet.html
>
> >>>All packages of vaccinations carry warnings that they should be
> injected only in healthy animals. In the case of cats, vaccine
> manufacturers advise against vaccinating pregnant or nursing cats.
> However, many pets are not healthy when vaccinated although they might
> not have outward signs of health problems. Charles Loops, DVM, a
> holistic veterinarian from Pittsboro, North Carolina, notes that
> "chemically killed viruses or bacteria are injected directly into the
> blood stream, which is an unnatural route of infection." (7) This
causes
> the animal's antibodies to attempt to fight off the offending virus
> molecules and render them harmless. If the animal's immune system is
too
> weakened, he or she cannot fight off these viruses and can develop a
> reaction to the vaccine. Even small amounts of a virus that is
> introduced through a vaccination may be too much for sick animals to
> fight off. They then may fall ill from the very disease to which they
> have been vaccinated.<<<
>
>
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>
> Another question.  My kittens tested positive with the ELISA test.
May
> they have their vaccines?  Mom gets tested Friday.  If positive, may
she
> have her vaccines?  May she be spayed?
>
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests positive

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Sally, I personally would not vaccinate a positive cat. See Jean Dodds'
and Charles Loop's (both vets) views here. (The paragraph below is taken
from the website.) Kerry M.

http://www.newsagepress.com/protectyourpet.html

>>>All packages of vaccinations carry warnings that they should be
injected only in healthy animals. In the case of cats, vaccine
manufacturers advise against vaccinating pregnant or nursing cats.
However, many pets are not healthy when vaccinated although they might
not have outward signs of health problems. Charles Loops, DVM, a
holistic veterinarian from Pittsboro, North Carolina, notes that
"chemically killed viruses or bacteria are injected directly into the
blood stream, which is an unnatural route of infection." (7) This causes
the animal's antibodies to attempt to fight off the offending virus
molecules and render them harmless. If the animal's immune system is too
weakened, he or she cannot fight off these viruses and can develop a
reaction to the vaccine. Even small amounts of a virus that is
introduced through a vaccination may be too much for sick animals to
fight off. They then may fall ill from the very disease to which they
have been vaccinated.<<<


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Another question.  My kittens tested positive with the ELISA test.  May
they have their vaccines?  Mom gets tested Friday.  If positive, may she
have her vaccines?  May she be spayed?

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Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests positive

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Brenda,
You're an angel for opening your heart and home to Spazzy. Thank you on behalf 
of all homeless kitties, and particularly FeLV kitts.
You've come to the right place for info. 
My first advice would be to find an informed, FeLV-competent vet. While your 
vet sounds nice, nice won't help Spazzy if she's uninformed about FeLV.  And 
it's evident from your email that you are better informed than your 
vet---definitely do not allow her to vaccinate Spazzy. Also, keep Spazzy 
indoors. It stops him from spreading the FeLV and prevents him from coming into 
contact with cats that may pass on other illnesses to him. 
As you already learned, the most important goal is to do everything possible to 
help his immune system. In my opinion, if a cat is enjoying life--alert, 
playing, eating, enjoying cuddles etc--there is every reason to help him 
continue to do so.
To that end, buy the highest quality cat food you can afford--ideally, one 
without by-products, additives or preservatives. (Last time I looked, Iams 
didn't measure up). Add 500mg L-Lysine--grind it to a powder--to his food 
morning and night. Add a teaspoon of Anitra Frazier's vita-mineral-mix recipe 
twice a day. (See recipe below.) Wholefoods or a health store should have all 
the ingredients, and you can make enough at one time to keep you going for 
weeks. And provide as stress-free an environment as you can---lots of 
attention, cuddles and care goes a long way to boosting the immune system.
Some cats will throw off the virus--one of my 5 FeLV cats is now negative. (The 
others succumbed around the age of 2.)
The test your vet likely means is an IFA test, to find out if the FeLV is in 
the bone marrow. Once in the bone marrow, the FeLV is confirmed, and won't be 
thrown off.
Ask her what medication she is referring to--feline interferon? Immunoregulin?

Here's the Vita-Mineral Mix recipe.
 
Into the wet food, morning and night, I mix:

1 tsp Vita-Mineral Mix which is made up of:

1 1/2 cups yeast powder (brewer's yeast, nutritional yeast or tarula). (I use 
nutritional yeast.)

1/4 cup kelp powder or 1/4 cup mixed trace mineral powder (I found kelp first, 
so I use that)

1 cup lecithin granules

2 cups wheat bran

2 cups bonemeal.

Here's another excerpt from the same book---The New Natural Cat--A Complete 
Guide for Finicky Owners, by Anitra Frazier-- it's in the Feline Leukemia 
section on pages 326/327):

"When a positive cat---one carrying the virus--comes into contact with a 
negative cat--one not carrying the virus--the negative, but exposed cat may: 

*not become affected in any way; 
*become infected (positive), develop immunity, and revert again to being 
negative; 
*become positive, but not become ill and remain positive--thus becoming a new 
carrier of the virus; 
*become positive and develop lymphosarcoma, leukemia, or other cancer; or 
*become positive and be ill from the virus infection, much like flu; and then 
recover and remain positive or become negative. 

A positive cat who has not developed cancer can be tested again in three 
months. If he has been treated by an experienced veterinary homeopath and put 
on a high-quality diet designed to build general health and strengthen the 
immune system, chances are good that he will have reverted to negative. "(my 
emphasis)

You will get lots more great advice here. Bless you for loving and looking out 
for Snazzy.
Kerry M.





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Subject: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests positive

Hello,

I recently took in a stray cat that had been hanging around my neighborhood for 
some time. He's such a nice boy and I had been feeding him for a few months 
before I took him in. What made me take him in was he became very sick with an 
upper respiratory infection and I had just felt so bad because the mucous that 
was coming from his nose was green, not too mention he was having a hard time 
breathing. I took him to my Vet who said he was a very sick kitty, he was close 
to pneumonia treated him with antibiotics and sent us home. I was to follow up 
with vaccinations and a neuter.  He did finish his course of antibiotics, and 
days after I went on a family vacation for 10 days. My pet sitter stopped by 
daily to feed my animals, and walk the dogs. I received a call from the pet 
sitter stating she was sorry but the cat (Spazzy) had ran past her when she was 
taking the dogs out. I told her not to worry just try calling him and he should 
come back. Well that went
 on for days and no Spazzy. When I finally got home from vacation I was worried 
about him because he had been gone for about a week, I looked around the 
neighborhood but couldn't find him. Well about a month and a half had passed 
one morning while I was heading out the door to work, he was sitting at my back 
door. I was happy to see him, but was conc

Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten chronic loose stool

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

 Thanks for this info Caroline--will be looking into this one. I'd never
heard of it before. I like that it's safe too, and "generally gets the
gut back in order". Paws crossed! Kerry

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My Yoda (non-felv) as a baby had a lot of that intermittent diarrhea as
a baby (the archives are peppered with my Yoda diarrhea emails!).  I got
so frustrated- trying everything- and unlike you, I had a stupid doc
that just said, oh we didn't find anything in the fecal-- and I was
like, well, you probably won't, so we just have to treat the symptoms!
Ugh, sucked.  Since I have done holistic care before I consulted with my
holistic vet and she said try "wrm clear"- not sure how it's spelled on
the bottle, but it's called worm clear.  It's a holistic treatment-
natural.  She said it naturally clears worms, bacteria and can even work
on coccidia and things like that.  She said it also just generally helps
the gut get back in order- balances out the good and bad bacteria.  I
used it on him for the 14 day course of treatment (there's also
directions for a "maintenance" dose).  The directions are a little
funny- it talks about adding it to water, or deliverying into the mouth
and!
  after talking to her about it, I went with the 3 doses a day in the
mouth so that I was sure he was getting it all.  Comes in a bottle like
a liquid eye med (don't get them confused!).  It really worked on him
honestly.  It was weird b/c I couldn't ever get anything diagnosed,
other than me thinking that he has a more fragile gastro tract b/c of
his super rough start in life.  It does act up sometimes- like when I
switched him from Wellness canned to Eagle Pack canned (oh lordy, that
was HELL!  For everyone!)-- but I was really impressed with the wrm
clear that first time I did the 14 day treatment on him.  Nothing else
had worked!  
 
It's definitely worth a try b/c unlike an actual medication, it won't do
any harm-- it only helps!  I got some bottles from my holistic vet, but
I have also seen it online at the pet supply places.  
 
Hope this helps.  
 
Caroline K.  > Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 10:56:53 -0500> From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject:
[Felvtalk] Kitten chronic loose stool> > > Hi all,> My FeLV foster
kitten, Daisy (about 14 weeks old now) has had soft> stools, and
sometimes uncontrollable diarrhea, ever since she was found> in the
street at 3 weeks.> When I began fostering her about 5 weeks ago she had
been taking meds> for coccidia for several weeks without improvement. I
took her to my> vet, who has state of the art everything, including
feces-testing> methods, and he found that her coccidia had cleared up
(it never> actually goes away) and what she had was (bad) bacterial
growth. He put> her on a 3-meds treatment plan that included 5 days
Panacure. > She has control now, but her stool is still baby food
consistency. > My question is---have any of you ever used an exclusive
diet of broiled> or raw chicken to treat a *kitten's* diarrhea/loose
stool? > I've used it successfully !
 with my former adult FeLV, Snoball, but I'm> worried about the effects
of an incomplete (albeit temporary) diet of> this kind on a kitten.> I'd
also welcome hearing of any other successful ways that anyone may> have
found in treating kittens' loose stools.> Thanks!> Kerry M.> >

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Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten chronic loose stool

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Thanks Christhat's v interesting. Will add to the coccidia folder.
Kerry

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One note on coccidia--I'm a remote volunteer for a shelter in Louisiana
and
they recently had some very young pups with Coccidia.  They put them on
Albon and it still wouldn't clear up.  Then the vet used Marquis Paste
instead and it seems to have really cleared it up.  I've read a number
of
things which recommends the Marquis Paste over the Albon, particularly
with
resistant coccidia.

Christiane Biagi
Cell:  914-720-6888
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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Kitten chronic loose stool

 
Hi all,
My FeLV foster kitten, Daisy (about 14 weeks old now) has had soft
stools, and sometimes uncontrollable diarrhea, ever since she was found
in the street at 3 weeks.
When I began fostering her about 5 weeks ago she had been taking meds
for coccidia for several weeks without improvement. I took her to my
vet, who has state of the art everything, including feces-testing
methods, and he found that her coccidia had cleared up (it never
actually goes away) and what she had was (bad) bacterial growth. He put
her on a 3-meds treatment plan that included 5 days Panacure. 
She has control now, but her stool is still baby food consistency. 
My question is---have any of you ever used an exclusive diet of broiled
or raw chicken to treat a *kitten's* diarrhea/loose stool? 
I've used it successfully with my former adult FeLV, Snoball, but I'm
worried about the effects of an incomplete (albeit temporary) diet of
this kind on a kitten.
I'd also welcome hearing of any other successful ways that anyone may
have found in treating kittens' loose stools.
Thanks!
Kerry M.



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[Felvtalk] Kitten chronic loose stool

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Hi all,
My FeLV foster kitten, Daisy (about 14 weeks old now) has had soft
stools, and sometimes uncontrollable diarrhea, ever since she was found
in the street at 3 weeks.
When I began fostering her about 5 weeks ago she had been taking meds
for coccidia for several weeks without improvement. I took her to my
vet, who has state of the art everything, including feces-testing
methods, and he found that her coccidia had cleared up (it never
actually goes away) and what she had was (bad) bacterial growth. He put
her on a 3-meds treatment plan that included 5 days Panacure. 
She has control now, but her stool is still baby food consistency. 
My question is---have any of you ever used an exclusive diet of broiled
or raw chicken to treat a *kitten's* diarrhea/loose stool? 
I've used it successfully with my former adult FeLV, Snoball, but I'm
worried about the effects of an incomplete (albeit temporary) diet of
this kind on a kitten.
I'd also welcome hearing of any other successful ways that anyone may
have found in treating kittens' loose stools.
Thanks!
Kerry M.

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[Felvtalk] Yogurt for gingivitis

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Re-sending---with apologies for my previous attempt, sending before
changing the subject field.
Dear all,
Some potentially very useful information from Nina, a former longtime
member and prolific and hugely knowledgeable contributor to the list:


This is interesting.  My sister just called to tell me she heard on the
radio about a study indicating that yogurt consumption aids in reducing
gingivitis and periodontal disease.  I'm hoping it might make some
difference in felv kitties gingivitis, maybe even stomatitis.  In any
case it seems like something that might be tried under the "It can't
hurt" rule.  I'm going to start eating more yogurt just in case it may
help my mouth.  Could one of you please pass this on to the list just in
case?

I did a quick Goggle and came up first with this home remedy site:

http://www.savvynaturalhealer.com/2008/02/fight-gum-disease-with-yogurt.
html

"From Japan's Kyushu University comes a report of a new study published
in this month's Journal of Periodontology 
that finds that eating yogurt may prevent gum disease.

The scientists learned that eating at least two ounces (56 g) of foods
cultured with the friendly bacterium Lactobacillus 
significantly reduced the risk of severe gingivitis, that is, with
pockets more than 2 mm (about 1/10 of an inch) deep in 
the gums. The benefits of Lactobacillus held even when the researchers
accounted for differences in age, gender, 
frequency of tooth brushing, blood sugar levels, cholesterol levels,
smoking, and alcohol consumption.

What the scientists did not find was a protective role for consumption
of milk and cheese. These foods seem to feed the 
bacteria that attack the gums. Only yogurt and similar foods were
helpful. It's well known that acidity produced by 
Lactobacilli kills E. coli, Campylobacter, and Salmonella." 



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Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi

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Dear all,
Some potentially very useful information from Nina, a former longtime
member and prolific and hugely knowledgeable contributor to the list:


This is interesting.  My sister just called to tell me she heard on the
radio about a study indicating that yogurt consumption aids in reducing
gingivitis and periodontal disease.  I'm hoping it might make some
difference in felv kitties gingivitis, maybe even stomatitis.  In any
case it seems like something that might be tried under the "It can't
hurt" rule.  I'm going to start eating more yogurt just in case it may
help my mouth.  Could one of you please pass this on to the list just in
case?

I did a quick Goggle and came up first with this home remedy site:

http://www.savvynaturalhealer.com/2008/02/fight-gum-disease-with-yogurt.
html

"From Japan's Kyushu University comes a report of a new study published
in this month's Journal of Periodontology 
that finds that eating yogurt may prevent gum disease.

The scientists learned that eating at least two ounces (56 g) of foods
cultured with the friendly bacterium Lactobacillus 
significantly reduced the risk of severe gingivitis, that is, with
pockets more than 2 mm (about 1/10 of an inch) deep in 
the gums. The benefits of Lactobacillus held even when the researchers
accounted for differences in age, gender, 
frequency of tooth brushing, blood sugar levels, cholesterol levels,
smoking, and alcohol consumption.

What the scientists did not find was a protective role for consumption
of milk and cheese. These foods seem to feed the 
bacteria that attack the gums. Only yogurt and similar foods were
helpful. It's well known that acidity produced by 
Lactobacilli kills E. coli, Campylobacter, and Salmonella." 


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[Felvtalk] Can you please pray for Michelle's Patches

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Hi again all,
Strangely I was just wondering this a.m. how Michelle's Patches was
doing, and thinking I must email her, and then when I came into work,
there was the email from her (below). (For those who don't know
Michelle, she was a tireless, dedicated source of knowledge and support
on the list for many years).
Thanks for your prayers for Patches.
Kerry M.


Hi, Kerry. Can I bother you to ask the list for prayers again? Patches
had been doing a lot better for a couple of weeks-- her hematocrit was
going up (and maybe still is-- she looks quite pink), she gained weight,
she was getting more active and had started eating some on her own
again. But the last few days she has looked worse than when we brought
her to the hospital with the pancreatitis. She had the strongest chemo
drug 8 days ago, so we thought it was that, but she does not seem to be
improving. She lays in one spot all day and only gets up to use the
litterbox, and looks weak when she does. She seems nauseous too. She has
gained a lot of weight and we think the vets were telling us to feed her
too much through her tube, and we are wondering if her pancreatitis has
been aggravated by this. Or, of course, the cancer could be back. We are
planning on taking her to the hospital tomorrow afternoon when her
internist is in, to see if they can ultrasound her and if she! needs IV
fluids.  Prayers always seem to help, though, so I thought I would ask.

thanks as always, and I hope you and yours are ok,
Michelle

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Re: [Felvtalk] Duncan is gone

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I'm so sorry to hear the sad news about Duncan, that's so hard, Laura.
And right on top of your 18-year-old. What was his or her name?
Try not to beat yourself up. I've been there too, with Caramel, the
first of mine to pass away. I realized later that he'd been unwell for a
while and I hadn't been fully aware of it. I made the same promise too,
and now I leave nothing to chance either, but I figured it took Caramel
to show me the way.
You're in my thoughts,
Take care
Kerry


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Subject: [Felvtalk] Duncan is gone

Sadly, I had to have Duncan euthanized last night. He was suffering from
a URI and getting Clavamox, and the URI was clearing up, but he was
still sluggish. On Sunday night he seemed disoriented, and was crying as
if he was in a lot of pain. I rushed him to the emergency vet and then
to my regular vet Monday morning. The vet called me at 5:30 as I was
driving home from work to get Duncan's food and told me that he thought
Duncan was very close to dying. Test results had showed Hemobartonella
and he was fading fast. We talked about possible treatments but Dr
Leathers felt that it would be best, and kindest, to put him down. 
He deteriorated so quickly - just a couple of days ago he was eating and
walking around. Unfortunately, I assumed he just wasn't 100% because of
the URI. I will not make that mistake again. He has never shown any
symptoms in the year that I've had him. My other two positives, who
lived with him, are fine, but I'm going to have them checked out at the
vet next week.
I lost my 18 year old cat last Monday so this hasn't been a very good
past couple of weeks for me. 
Laura

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Re: [Felvtalk] Patches update

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Thanks Diane---have fwded to Michelle. I know she will appreciate your
kind words. Kerry 

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Here's vibes that Patches rallies through this.  She has so much going
on, poor baby.  Hugs to her and to Michelle.

Diane R. 

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Please pray for Patches again. Her PCV went down from 20 to 18, and
she's not eating much on her own anymore. Her liver values were normal,
though. She did get some chemo yesterday. I am not sure why she is
getting worse. They think the cancer is  in remission. Maybe it is the
anemia. Maybe her pancreatitis is acting up. I am not sure. Prayers
helped before, though

thanks,
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[Felvtalk] Patches update

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Please pray for Patches again. Her PCV went down from 20 to 18, and
she's not eating much on her own anymore. Her liver values were normal,
though. She did get some chemo yesterday. I am not sure why she is
getting worse. They think the cancer is  in remission. Maybe it is the
anemia. Maybe her pancreatitis is acting up. I am not sure. Prayers
helped before, though

thanks,
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[Felvtalk] Michelle's Patches update!

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Some great Monday morning news from Michelle:

Patches ate almost a whole can of A/D on her own over yesterday, in
addition to the (reduced) tube feedings we gave her. She is going  up
and down the stairs, and right now is outside with Gray (she asked to go
outside about an hour ago and has not wanted to come in). She's purring
and bright, and started grooming herself. Almost unbelievable. Knock on
wood a thousand times. I almost wrote yesterday to tell you, but am so
superstitious and worried about communicating such good news, afraid it
will stop. But it's not really fair to only write the bad news!

She does have diarrhea, but maybe just from eating so much after so long
of reduced calories, and she's not really used to A/D (the internist
insists it's ok for her pancreatitis, and she's on increased insulin,
although her sugar values were down today so she got her normal dose
this morning). And her breathing sounds funny sometimes, like wheezy or
whistly, but it comes and goes and we think it is her nose, and it does
not seem to bother her. She has a oncology appointment day after
tomorrow, so we'll have it checked then if she's still doing it.

So thank you for all your prayers and warm thoughts. And I know this is
my mantra, but she has a lot going on and is not out of woods yet. But
today is a blessing so far.

Please let the list know.

thanks,
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Re: [Felvtalk] cautiously hopeful--Please keep praying for Michelle's Patches

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Dear all, a cautiously hopeful update from Michelle:

Thank you all for praying! The internist just called, sounding rather
surprised, to say that Patches' bilirubin is down to 2.2 (from 6.1), her
PCV is at 20, she is bright, and she has started eating more on her own!
They are hoping to send her home tonight, and the oncologist thinks we
should make a chemo appointment for Monday! She is certainly not out of
the woods, since it is unclear what the anemia is from or how controlled
it is right now, and she now needs a lot more insulin since she is on
dexamethasone and A/D for her feeding tube, but what a difference from
yesterday! I don't want to get too excited because I am afraid it will
jinx her, and in fact she is still very much in the woods for the long
and even near term, since she has so many illnesses now, including
lymphoma. But she is our little superhero, and if she feels better
today, I am glad just for that.

Thanks again for your prayers, and please keep them coming, and please
update the list serve for me too. A number of the old timers wrote me
individual emails, which has meant a lot to me.

thanks and love,
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[Felvtalk] Please pray for Michelle Lerner's Patches

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Dear all
I just had a request for prayers from former member Michelle Lerner for
her sweet Patches.
Patches has FeLV, FIV, diabetes and hyperthyroidism, and has survived
many crises over the years. Now she's battling to overcome another.
(For those of you who don't know Michelle she was a tireless and hugely
knowledgeable contributor--as can be seen in the archives--to the
listserv for many years.)
Please can everyone send prayers and good wishes for Patches' recovery.
Thanks so much
Kerry M.

I know I have been out of touch. But I am writing to ask you to pray for
Patches, and to send a request to the listserve on behalf asking for
prayers. As you may know, Patches is now at least 7 years old (the vets
think 8 or 9 or older). She has lymphoma and has been doing well on
chemo. She also has diabetes and hyperthyroidism. Despite all of this,
and being FeLV+ and FIV+, she was doing really great until two days
ago-- fat and happy and you would never know a thing was wrong. Two days
ago had what seemed to be a severe pancreatitis attack (she also had one
in May 2007 when she became diabetic), and was jaundiced from what they
thought was cholangeohepatitis, an infection of the liver that often
accompanies pancreatitis. They did an ultrasound and thought that is
what it is (internist and oncologist) since it did not look like the
lymphoma was back.  She has been in the hospital since Saturday night,
and except for not e! ating, they thought she was doing well at first.
But she would spit up everything she was syringe fed, and now is
suddenly very anemic (HCT 16). They put a feeding tube in and are
transfusing her. We saw her before and after the tube was inserted and
she purred both times. But the vets do not think she has much chance of
survival. They think the lymphoma is probably back, which can only be
fought with chemo, and she can't get chemo in this condition. If it is
not lymphoma, the rest of the problems she is having, combined, give her
at best a 50/50 chance of survival. When they put the tube in, they did
a liver aspirate, so we should not about the lymphoma tomorrow. But they
really think that is what is going on. If it is, I guess we will just
take her home for as long as we can keep her comfortable and give her
lots of cuddling and fussing, but it would probably be for a very short
time. If it is not lymphoma, I guess she would stay in the hospital and
try treatment longer. ! we are not hopeful, though.

Please pray for her to feel better, for it not to be lymphoma, for her
to get better, and for her to be calm and and as content as possible,
and to get some good time to spend at home with us. She has been so
happy being the only cat (our negative Quincy is in a separate part of
the house and she doesn't see him) and be doted on since the other
positives died. She has really blossomed in the last year and a half,
and loves cuddling and pets and catnip and cardboard boxes. I know it is
miraculous and heroic of her to make it this long, but it still seems to
soon to let her go. She is such a superhero, and we love her so.



Please send prayers and warm thoughts.

thanks,
Michelle

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Re: [Felvtalk] Please remove me from the mailing list- Nazleen

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

 Nazleen--please see below (ie you need to contact James, our
administrator, at [EMAIL PROTECTED]).
All best wishes, Kerry

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Hi,
 
Please remove me from the mailing list. Thanks!
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Please remove me from the mailing list

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 Nazleen, please

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Re: [Felvtalk] Please remove me from the mailing list-Charlotte

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Charlotte--please see below. You ned to contact James at
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Re: [Felvtalk] ADMIN: Gentle reminder about netiquette

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Thanks as always for all you do, James.
Kerry 


On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 3:10 PM, James G Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Hello everyone,

I apologize in advance for making this message longer
than I'd first thought...

Now that our list appears to be back up and running
properly, I think it's time to send out a gentle reminder
about netiquette and what this list's mission is.

First, remember that this list is for discussions of feline
leukemia, related treatments and support for those who
are dealing with this dreaded disease. We do, however,
allow a bit of off-topic discussion because of the close-knit
nature of this group of wonderful people. If you do plan to
post something that is off-topic (but, hopefully, somehow
related to FeLV and/or list members), remember to put 'OT'
(without the quotes) at the beginning of the subject line.

Next, remember to properly edit your emails to this list.
Lately, folks have been posting messages that contain the
complete text of the entire thread to which they are
responding. This is causing problems with both the digest
mode and email size limits for this list. So, please edit your
messages to contain only the relevant text of previous
emails. If you need assistance with this, please contact
me privately, and I'll try to explain it further.

Also, attachments are NOT allowed. That means, do not
attach pictures, pdf files, Word document files, Excel files,
etc. I will not forward such messages to the list.

Lastly, due to the nature of this disease and its effects on
our furry friends, there is a potential for passionate
debates every now and then. While this may be healthy in
a general sense, please try to observe the following rules:

No flaming- ie; no personal attacks, hostile language,
personal threats, etc.,

No posting messages that proclaim a, "my way or the
highway" type of rhetoric. We are a diverse group of
people with varying opinions on which treatment options
work best for our loved ones. Some here believe that
certain treatment options are not viable (or are simply
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disagree with another list member's point of view, please
be respectful and sensitive to their right to their opinions.
Members are free to share their opinions, but they are not
permitted to badger others into submission.

It is my hope that this message will serve as a general
guideline to posting to FeLVTalk. If I've forgotten
something, or if you disagree with the content of this note,
please contact me PRIVATELY to discuss it further.
Please do not try to create a controversy on the list about
all of this. Thank you. Best wishes to all.

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RE: Prayers needed AGAIN

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Sending prayers for Melina, Sherry. 
Let us know how she is when you have time.
Would that all vets were like Dr Jen.
hugs, Kerry
 



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Please can we get ALL the prayers and good thoughts for beautiful sweet
Melina.Dr.Jen took her home with her to try and get her feeling
better.She thinks that she may becoming septic.So she has started her on
Doxy and Prednisone and will do a work up on her tomorrow.Please pray
for this baby girl that won my heart the moment I saw her.I know in the
long run the aweful felv will win. :( But maybe she can win just this
one more time.
THank you all so much
Sherry


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RE: Add to CLS - Muffin - (non FELV)

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

I'm so sorry, Kelley.
hugs, Kerry



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Could you please add my Muffin to the CLS?  

Thanks,

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RE: Belinda: looking for advice re kitty prozac

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Thanks so much again Belinda and everyone!
Kerry

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Subject: Re: Belinda: looking for advice re kitty prozac


Hi Kerry,
Yes the flouxetine stopped that all together, he didn't mark while 
he was on it.  I kept him on it for about 6 months then took him off it 
because he was just laying around, thinking it was the flouxetine that 
was making him lazy, but come to find out that is just the way Cody is.

He does mark on occasion, every few months, nothing like before.  He 
used to mark all over the house several times a day, everyday.  The 
first med made it less often, the second even less often, but the 
flouxetine stopped the behavior completely.  I was told that half the 
animals using it would go back to marking if taken off, but decided to 
give it a try.

I decided not to put him back on it because I can deal with marking 
every few months, if it gets worse I would put him back on it.

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RE: looking for advice re kitty prozac

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Thank you! 

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I entered this conversation late, but if this has not been said, then
here's my two cents:  Sometimes with a cat that WILL NOT take meds
orally, you can go to the supermarket deli, ask for a chunk of Boar's
Head liverwurst (I believe BH does not contain onion powder, so is safe
for cats), take it home, and use it to make little pill pockets to hide
the meds. Most of my cats LOVE the liverwurst, and will eat it right up.
Not all of them, but most. Worth a try?...


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> Subject: RE: looking for advice re kitty prozac
> Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 10:57:15 -0500
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> 
> Thank you all, you wonderful folks, for the many great suggestions --
I'm passing them on to Gala, my co-worker.
> Much appreciated!
> Kerry
> 
> 
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman
> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 7:59 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: looking for advice re kitty prozac
> 
> Different drugs have different absorbtion rates.  We could not do
transdermal prozac wth Peepers because we could not tailor the dose
reliabily when given through the skin.  If your vet prescribed a certain
med, ask the vet at thaty time if transdermal is an option.
> 
> Laura Mostello 
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Belinda: looking for advice re kitty prozac

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Belindajust wanted to clarify. (It was me who started the confusion,
using the term prozac!)

By prozac (below) stopping it completely, do you mean the fluoxetine
that you used--the fluoxetine stopped it completely.?

If the foaming issue is easily fixed (as it seems to be in everyone's
experience) then it's def worth her trying the fluoxetine again.

Thanks again!

Kerry

 

 

That is also what I did with Cody, we started with the most 

commonly used of the drugs (amytriptaline), we tried 2 or 3 before 

trying the prozac, they all helped but only the prozac stopped it 

completely.

We had Cody's fluoxetine's compounded into a transdermal gel that we 

rubbed on the inside of his ear. Belinda




From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 7:59 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: looking for advice re kitty prozac


Different drugs have different absorbtion rates.  We could not do
transdermal prozac wth Peepers because we could not tailor the dose
reliabily when given through the skin.  If your vet prescribed a certain
med, ask the vet at thaty time if transdermal is an option.

Laura Mostello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

Just curious, can other drugs be made into creams to be used in
the ear? I have a 24 pound foster cat with a bad URI, and he had to
spend a week at the vet (at a cost of over $300) because I absolutely
could not give him oral meds. Can this be done with Clavamox or Baytril?
Laura


--- On Sun, 6/22/08, Belinda Sauro wrote:

> From: Belinda Sauro 
> Subject: Re: looking for advice re kitty prozac
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Sunday, June 22, 2008, 1:58 PM
> That is also what I did with Cody, we started with the most 
> commonly used of the drugs (amytriptaline), we tried 2 or 3
> before 
> trying the prozac, they all helped but only the prozac
> stopped it 
> completely.
> 
> > I tried amytriptaline (that's probably spelled
> wrong!) on Ruben for 
> > inappropriate urination.I now believe that it was
> his first signs 
> > that something was wrong with him internally
> > My daughter used the same drug (we had it compounded
> into a cream we 
> > could rub into the ear...pilling was out of the
> question) on one of 
> > her male cats...her cat became more calm, but I'm
> not sure it 
> > completely solved the problem.
> > I have heard people are having great results with the
> plug ins that 
> > release certain pheremones that are calming, but I
> haven't tried them 
> > yet myself.
> > Good luck, it's one of a cat owner's biggest
> problems!!
> 
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RE: looking for advice re kitty prozac

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Thank you all, you wonderful folks, for the many great suggestions --
I'm passing them on to Gala, my co-worker.
Much appreciated!
Kerry



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 7:59 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: looking for advice re kitty prozac


Different drugs have different absorbtion rates.  We could not do
transdermal prozac wth Peepers because we could not tailor the dose
reliabily when given through the skin.  If your vet prescribed a certain
med, ask the vet at thaty time if transdermal is an option.

Laura Mostello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

Just curious, can other drugs be made into creams to be used in
the ear? I have a 24 pound foster cat with a bad URI, and he had to
spend a week at the vet (at a cost of over $300) because I absolutely
could not give him oral meds. Can this be done with Clavamox or Baytril?
Laura


--- On Sun, 6/22/08, Belinda Sauro wrote:

> From: Belinda Sauro 
> Subject: Re: looking for advice re kitty prozac
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Sunday, June 22, 2008, 1:58 PM
> That is also what I did with Cody, we started with the most 
> commonly used of the drugs (amytriptaline), we tried 2 or 3
> before 
> trying the prozac, they all helped but only the prozac
> stopped it 
> completely.
> 
> > I tried amytriptaline (that's probably spelled
> wrong!) on Ruben for 
> > inappropriate urination.I now believe that it was
> his first signs 
> > that something was wrong with him internally
> > My daughter used the same drug (we had it compounded
> into a cream we 
> > could rub into the ear...pilling was out of the
> question) on one of 
> > her male cats...her cat became more calm, but I'm
> not sure it 
> > completely solved the problem.
> > I have heard people are having great results with the
> plug ins that 
> > release certain pheremones that are calming, but I
> haven't tried them 
> > yet myself.
> > Good luck, it's one of a cat owner's biggest
> problems!!
> 
> -- 
> 
> Belinda
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RE: Fwd: failure notice

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Ditto from me. 
And thanks as always for the update James, and for everything else you
do.
cheers, Kerry



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If it's a lot of money to move the group to a new server maybe we could
all chip in???  I would be glad to help.
tonya

James G Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi Tonya, 

There are technical issues still going on with everything. 
Certain "hubs" on the net have not updated their 
nameserver systems since before Memorial Day. And, 
that's about the time we switched web hosts. That's why it 
is sometimes impossible to reach felinelekemia.org. Plus, I 
just read that Yahoo!'s mail servers have some issues 
going on with them, as well. My apologies for the continued 
inconvenience. As soon as I find another job, I'm going to 
put felineleukemia.org on its own server. Please let me 
know if y'all have any problems/questions/etc. Best wishes 
to all.

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looking for advice re kitty prozac

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Dear all

Has anyone ever used a kitty "Prozac" such as fluoxetine? One of my
co-workers whose cat has always been a sprayer--and she's had him for
YEARS, kudos to her---was thrilled when 1/2 tab fluoxetine daily fixed
the behavior almost immediately. Unfortunately he began foaming at the
mouth at the same time, so she stopped using it after a few days.

Does anyone have any experience in using an alternative "prozac" that
worked for spraying without causing foaming or other adverse
side-effects. She says she's going to the vet to ask about a different
one after she returns from vacation, and I thought I'd try picking your
brains before she went. I think it's wonderful that--unlike so many
people--she's committed to her cat despite his spraying.

I have a sprayer too, but he's feral, so there's nothing I can use (he's
not into any sort of treat on a regular basis, and he turned his nose up
at Pillpockets) apart from a dividing line between him and the cause of
his behavior, my other cats. He has his own loyal buddy, a female,
Momcat, so he's pretty content on the whole, I think.

Anyway, thanks for any other "prozac" ideas!

Kerry 

 



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RE: Taking My Deceased Wife's Name Off the Felvtal List:

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

I'm so very sorry to hear the sad news of your wife Sharon, David.
Please accept my condolences at this difficult and painful time for you.

I know Belinda has been in touch with you re removal of your wife's
name, and hopefully that will happen quickly.
If you ever feel like rejoining the group, of course you know you will
always be very welcome here.
Meantime, bless you and your little furbabes. 
I hope the good memories of happier times eventually bring you comfort.
best, Kerry M.


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Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 1:00 AM
To: felv
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Please remove my wife's name from the felvtalk e-mailing addresses.

 

My wife passed away about three weeks ago.  She really appreciated being
on your e-mail list, but to be quite honest with you I just get upset
when I receive felvtalk e-mails.  I still have my two little furry
feline buddies that are experiencing with me the process of "grieving."
I need to spend time with them and they need to spend time with me.  I
hope you understand and sometime in the future I might rejoin the group.

 

Thanks in Advance,

 

David L. Siders

Husband of the late Sharon Siders

 



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Prayers needed for Michelle's Patches

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

I don't know if this will go through as I don't seem to be getting
regular email from the list. But if it does could you please send
prayers for former listmember Michelle's (Lerner) Patches. (See below)
I haven't been able to post recently in any case, but please know all of
you on the list are and always will be very close to my heart.
Sending prayers for all your sick furbabes, and my condolences and hugs
to all those who have lost a beloved furbaby. 
Love and thanks for all you do for our furbabies, Kerry

Michelle's email:
Patches was just diagnosed with lymphoma and needs prayers-- can you
ask the list? She is feeling ok; Gray noticed a hard lump on her
abdomen. Right now all we know is that she has a subcutaneous lymphoma
mass; it's unclear whether it has spread. We have an oncology
appointment for tomorrow. If it is only subcutaneous, there are some
good survival time statistics, but she is FeLV+, FIV+, diabetic, and
hyperthyroid and at least 7 years old (and vet thinks older). Given
that, I think she needs a lot of prayers.

She is my last positive baby left.

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RE: Sebastian Please add to the CLS :(

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

this is a test. (I had to send my message directly to Sherry---first one
to group wasn't delivered)



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 12:42 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Sebastian Please add to the CLS :(


Sherry 
 
I am sorry to hear of Sebastian's passing. May his spirit fly free along
with the rest of his angel buddies. Bless you for helping look after
these cats.
 
 
Sally Davis

 
On 5/26/08, Sherry DeHaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

I am saddened to say that we lost another one of our sanctuary
babies.
Sebastian was a sweet gray and white boy.On monday he was
talking to me alot,maybe he was letting me know that he is leaving. :( I
will miss that great boy.
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RE: Sebastian Please add to the CLS :(

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Oh Sherry, I'm so sorry. Sebastian sounds such a sweetie. I think you're
probably right...he knew it was his time. I'm glad he knew you.
Big hugs, Kerry



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Subject: Sebastian Please add to the CLS :(


I am saddened to say that we lost another one of our sanctuary babies.
Sebastian was a sweet gray and white boy.On monday he was talking to me
alot,maybe he was letting me know that he is leaving. :( I will miss
that great boy.
Sherry


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RE: Cornell update on virus survival in a dry environment

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Great! 

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   Hi Gloria, it is set to go to the list, not sure if it was originally

but it is now.

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RE: Airplane seat-all airline rules at petflight.com

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Thanks Terrie!
Kerry



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The Petflight website lists all airlines.
The rules about pets as carry-on and cargo as well as the fees for
traveling with pets. 
Information on under seat space and number of cats allowed on each
flight is also listed. 
Hope you find this information useful.

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RE: New Member

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

It's a joy to read about Snowy's turnaround. What a lucky little soul
she is to have found you Lynne!
But the vet ..he should remember that the little furball on his exam
table is his CLIENT. "Bad" is not a word that should come into his head
never mind come out of his mouth. She was obviously terrified of him and
his set-up. G.
hugs,
Kerry



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Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 9:03 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: New Member


Laurie, I totally agree with you about herpes and stress level.  I told
you folks about the rescued Persian, Snowy, I adopted.  She was a very
sick girl for 2 months and the foster mom got her healthy.  Her eyes
were swollen shut and she also had a URI.  Since we've had her we have
done everything humanly possible to make her life happy and stress free
and she is absolutely thriving.  Her one eye apparently has a bit of
scarring but you would never know this poor little thing ever had a
problem.  We have had to delay her spaying because we discovered she had
a toenail that had grown into her pad and needed surgery.  She was so
hysterical at the vets that she needed to be sedated.  There was fear of
her losing her one pad but she's recovered beautifully and on her return
visit to the vet he was amazed that new skin was growing and after two
weeks now there is a very small black scab left.  She also was a perfect
little lady at the return visit unlike the first time when the vet
referred to her as a very bad kitty.  Good diet and a stress free life
are so important to these cats.  She is now on L-lysine as a supplement
as you suggested.  I don't know if she really needs it but it certainly
doesn't hurt.  I so hope things continue to go as well as they have for
her.  She seems to be the happiest, most playful cat we've ever had.
 
Lynne

- Original Message - 
From: laurieskatz   
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 9:44 PM
Subject: Re: New Member

Welcome Laura and Laura! L- lysine is great for herpes. You
might want to join the feline herpes group, too. Those kitties can have
eye and mouth problems. Winston (probable herpes) also has unexplained
high fevers and anorexia on rare occasions - it is touch and go at those
time. For herpes, the main thing to to keep their stress level low (for
FeLV, too).
 
The feline acne group has lots of info on allergies (the fur
loss could be allergies or stress grooming). 
 
Check out www.catinfo.org for food info. This site belongs to a
veterinarian who also does rescue. She likes Wellness and suggests the
grain free diets. The best food I have found for mine is Petguard turkey
and barley lite. All five like it and all seem to be thriving on it. Of
course, it does have grains. I feed it because Frankie had panreatitis
and needed a low fat food.
 
Good luck and I hope others may have more insight into your
combination of issues
(ps my Frankie is blind)
Laurie

- Original Message - 
From: Belinda Sauro   
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 7:30 PM
Subject: New Member


  I'm posting for Laura because she can't subscribe,
list problems, Jim is working on them.  You can post on the list to
answer she is going to read the archives for answers!  Her message is
below:



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Hi All,
 
I've tried subscribing to this list but for some reason
the form won't go through.  I've sent an e-mail to the list holder.  I
figured for now, I'll just read from the archives but would like to
introduce myself to you all :)
 
My name is Laura, I live in Jersey and currently have 7
wonderful kitties.  My newest family member is FeLV+, 2 years old, and
also named Laura, (I'll fill you in on that in a bit) she is blind (very
bad herpes infection as a kitten) has one bad eye and the other was
removed last year.  
 
Her background: About 2 years ago my neighbor and I had
to "clean up" a colony down the street from us of about 50 cats and
kittens, we had them all "fixed", some were TNR'd and the adoptables
were given to a local rescue to find homes.  I fostered all the kittens
except 2 which who went straight to my vets office since they had eye
issues, and I knew the rescue I deal with would not take them and try to
place them.  The kittens were named Laura and Dave, and tested Neg for
FeLV.  About a 3rd of this colony tested Pos, so we knew it was in the
colony...but all the kittens 

RE: my poor snowy

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

I'm going to look at all mine's paws tonight -- well, those that aren't
feral, anyway.
You're right Terrie---he got a lot of loving and care from you while he
was here that he otherwise wouldn't have got. 
Kerry



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 10:25 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: my poor snowy


Hi all,
A few years ago some of you older members may remember Ling. 
As he is no longer with me as he had passed on to the bridge.
 
For you newer members.
I took in a male Siamese that was 19 yrs old that had the same thing.
All of his claws on his front paws were in the flesh. 
So he the had surgery done ASAP immediately right there.
 
When I got him I had noticed he was walking funny. Then I look at his
paws thought to 
myself "Oh My God" there was no way I could do anything.
I can't imagine the pain he was in. Poor old fella.
I have to tell you though when it was done he was like a kitten again
shortly after surgery. 
I end up losing him after a year to kidney failure but at least he had
some happiness and medical care from me that he wouldn't have gotten
elsewhere.
 
Well I won't be taking Snowy in for spaying this coming week.  I went to
clip her nails tonight and noticed that there was a big lump on her
right paw.  When I touched it she meowed so I got her into the emergency
vet.  They told me I did nothing wrong that this had happened to her
over a very long period of time.  Her nail had grown into her skin,
along with hair and they had to put her under and remove it.  It had
grown far into her pad and couldn't be removed easily.  I don't get
this.  She had seen 2 vets prior to our getting her and no one noticed
this.  Now the poor little thing has to be on antibiotics (Clindamycin)
and wear one of those horrible hood things so she won't lick her paw.
She had a piece taken out of it and cauterized.  I am so sorry for what
this poor little dear has been through in her short life.  I just hope
all this trauma doesn't cause her herpes virus to resurface.  The first
thing the vet did when we got her there was to squirt eye wash into her
eyes and she got all upset.  I kind of yelled at him for doing that and
asked why.  He said she looks like she has allergies and I said "she's a
persian their eyes tear".  Fortunately there was a very knowledgeable
technician present who seemed to know a lot more than this guy did.
 
Lynne
 
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RE: Theodore Please add to the CLS :(

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

 I'm so sorry Sherry. Theodore sounds such a sweetie, and it's good to
hear he was surrounded by so much love.  
 hugs, Kerry 
Sherry DeHaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I also found out last night that sweet Theodore left us this
week also.He was one of our Hurricane Katrina cats that was being
fostered.I am so happy that he had soo much love givin to him in his
final months.He was a handsome black and white boy with a very loving
heart.He used to give me kisses.I am happy that I also had a chance to
love him before he was fostered.I have a few really nice pics of him
that I will send to his foster mom.Thank you all for listening to me
here.Bless you all.
Sherry


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RE: my poor snowy

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

My Mickey was fitted with a hood after being treated for a hematoma.
Well, Mickey's feral, and no self-respecting feral is gonna put up with
that. He quickly set about pushing his paws through the hood, so it
turned into a skirt. Because he's feral I couldn't remove it without
causing him and his roommate a great deal of stress. So he had to wear
the useless skirt until I had to (catch and) take him back for his
check-up. 
Kerry



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Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 9:13 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: my poor snowy


We can't keep the hood on her.  She became hysterical.  She can be a
very high strung little girl and fight like a lion when she has to do
something she doesn't want to.  I did manage to get the Clindamycin
capsules down her this morning with only one scratch. She is on this for
a couple weeks so we're in for a stressful time. I just called the vet
and told them the story about the hood and the technician said
occasional licking is ok, it's just constant licking that can present a
problem.  When Bob picked her up last night the vet told him he had
washed her eyes AGAIN.  I had to take my dad back home so wasn't able to
go.  I think I would have given him a real lashing if I had been there.
Whatever he put in her eyes stained her fur horribly, not that I care
what she looks like, but when we tried washing her face with a warm
cloth it smeared all over.  Fortunately we won't have to go back there.
The vet did say to absolutely cancel her spaying though which certainly
makes sense.  
 
I can't imagine Frankie or any animal wearing one of those things for 2
weeks especially if the poor dear is blind.  There has to be a better
way.  I hope Frankie's biopsy turns out ok.  
 
Lynne

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From: laurieskatz   
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 9:00 AM
Subject: Re: my poor snowy

Poor baby. At least you found it! Frankie wa sent home with a
hood yesterday after his biopsy. He promptly removed it. He is blind so
needs those whiskers to navigate. I am not sure what I will do as he is
supposed to thave the hood on for 2 weeks!
BTW, that vet had no business washing her eyes without your
permission, imo.
L

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From: Lynne   
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 6:32 PM
Subject: my poor snowy

Well I won't be taking Snowy in for spaying this coming
week.  I went to clip her nails tonight and noticed that there was a big
lump on her right paw.  When I touched it she meowed so I got her into
the emergency vet.  They told me I did nothing wrong that this had
happened to her over a very long period of time.  Her nail had grown
into her skin, along with hair and they had to put her under and remove
it.  It had grown far into her pad and couldn't be removed easily.  I
don't get this.  She had seen 2 vets prior to our getting her and no one
noticed this.  Now the poor little thing has to be on antibiotics
(Clindamycin) and wear one of those horrible hood things so she won't
lick her paw.  She had a piece taken out of it and cauterized.  I am so
sorry for what this poor little dear has been through in her short life.
I just hope all this trauma doesn't cause her herpes virus to resurface.
The first thing the vet did when we got her there was to squirt eye wash
into her eyes and she got all upset.  I kind of yelled at him for doing
that and asked why.  He said she looks like she has allergies and I said
"she's a persian their eyes tear".  Fortunately there was a very
knowledgeable technician present who seemed to know a lot more than this
guy did.
 
Lynne


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RE: my poor snowy

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Big hugs to you and Snowy, Lynne. She couldn't wish for a better mom
even if she is mad at you for a little while...so glad her paw is fixed
and now she can concentrate on recovering.
Kerry



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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: my poor snowy


Well I won't be taking Snowy in for spaying this coming week.  I went to
clip her nails tonight and noticed that there was a big lump on her
right paw.  When I touched it she meowed so I got her into the emergency
vet.  They told me I did nothing wrong that this had happened to her
over a very long period of time.  Her nail had grown into her skin,
along with hair and they had to put her under and remove it.  It had
grown far into her pad and couldn't be removed easily.  I don't get
this.  She had seen 2 vets prior to our getting her and no one noticed
this.  Now the poor little thing has to be on antibiotics (Clindamycin)
and wear one of those horrible hood things so she won't lick her paw.
She had a piece taken out of it and cauterized.  I am so sorry for what
this poor little dear has been through in her short life.  I just hope
all this trauma doesn't cause her herpes virus to resurface.  The first
thing the vet did when we got her there was to squirt eye wash into her
eyes and she got all upset.  I kind of yelled at him for doing that and
asked why.  He said she looks like she has allergies and I said "she's a
persian their eyes tear".  Fortunately there was a very knowledgeable
technician present who seemed to know a lot more than this guy did.
 
Lynne

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RE: Today is test day

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Good luck and all best wishes for today, Sue---my prayers are with you
and Buzz.
Kerry 

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Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 7:25 AM
To: FeLV Talk
Subject: Today is test day

Hello everybody,
Today after work I will take Buzz to have his first re-test since he was
diagnosed positive for FeLV.  I am trying not to hope too much, but
there is a bottle of champagne in the fridge if he turns out negative.
Tuna for Buzz - I don't think he likes champagne.
Meanwhile he has been released from his room and is socializing with the
other cats.  I did some of the things the people in this group
recommended and that probably helped. All went well until a couple of
days ago when some electricians came to our house.  He really freaked!
He hid for 8 hours after they were gone.  His fear probably had
something to do with the abuse he received as a kitten.
Anyway, if anyone would care to say a prayer for my little kitty it sure
would be appreciated.
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RE: Please add Inky to CLS

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Dear Kerry
I'm so very, very sad to read your email this morning letting us know
that your darling Inky has passed away. What a huge gap he must leave
behind, especially after almost 22 years of unconditional love and
cuddles. Through your emails over the years I feel I got to know Inky
too, and I will miss hearing about all his antics. 
>From all you've told us, what an amazing, brave little soul he truly
was, and what spirit he had---an inspiration to us all right to the end.
I'm so glad you found each other, and hope the happy memories will help
ease the grief and bring you comfort in the coming days and months.
I wish I could be with you to give you a big real-life hug, Kerry, but
know that I''m sending you zillions of comforting cyberhugs. 
Inky's memory and spirit will live on forever. 
much love and big hugs,
Kerry M.



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kerry Roach
Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 3:54 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Fw: Please add Inky to CLS


I didn't see this posted at the group so I thought I would re-send it. I
guess there has been a problem with the sight.  Hope this was ok.

Thanks, Kerry

--- On Thu, 4/17/08, Kerry Roach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


From: Kerry Roach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Please add Inky to CLS
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thursday, April 17, 2008, 6:51 PM


Hi everyone,

I think some of you might remember helping me with Inky back when Bandy
was ill.  Although Inky wasn't felv+, I would like him added to friends
at the CLS.  He was Buster and Lil Rascal's uncle.  He was 21 yrs 8
months and 4 days.  He fought a tough battle with CRF, IBD, and hyper-t
for the past 2 1/2 yrs.  He went on his own terms and in his own
time..He did some really unusual things the last 10 days prior to his
death. Just re-visiting some of his favorite places in the house and
such..He was one exceptional kitty, and I miss him so much..The place
isn't the same without him as most of you know how that is.

Anyway, he passed on April 13, Sunday.  

Thanks so much for all your help in the past and if I can ever help with
anything I would be glad to do so..I hope to get back on here real soon.

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o/t anyone know what weak/wobbly rear legs might mean

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Dear all

A co-worker asked me if I had any idea what might be wrong with her cat
as the treatment hasn't fixed the problem. She clearly loves her cat and
is very upset. I said I  didn't have an answer and would ask you
wonderful guys. (Altho' my Caramel's rear legs also stopped working,
Caramel was FeLV pos, tho, and it happened right before the end. My
co-worker's cat is negative.)

Here's her description of the problem. Thanks very much for any info or
ideas you may have for her, Kerry M.

The first inkling I had that something was wrong with Goomba was several
weeks ago when I observed him attempting to jump up on my bathroom sink
(which he usually did while I was getting ready in the morning) and he
didn't make it. He never has tried again. Subsequently, he stopped
jumping up on my bed at night to sleep and his demeanor became
increasingly irritable. And so it was for a couple of weeks. Meanwhile,
his appetite remained good and he still showed interest in going
outside. My concern increased when I noticed his gait becoming wobbly
and he groaned loudly when ascending steps, and hissed at any attempt by
me to help him. At this point, I took him to the vet, Monday, March 31. 

Goomba was not a happy patient, but I left him there for some tests.
They sedated him, of course, did a blood test and took an x-ray. All
measurements of the blood test were within normal range. The x-ray
showed his spine to be in perfect condition (I had thought the problem
might have been an injury). It also showed that he has a small kidney
stone, which the doctor indicated should not be causing any problems.
The problem the x-ray did reveal was inflammation around his heart, so a
test for heartworm was also done that test ultimately came back
negative. To alleviate his symptoms, they also gave him a shot (I do not
know for sure, but I believe the shot he was given was a corticosteroid.
I can call and ask if such information will help.) Unfortunately, it's
making him think he's mightier than he really is! I was also given three
syringes of medication to be administered every other day (I believe
that was for pain). He came home, was rather peppy for the following
week, and even got up on a love seat one day for his nap. His last dose
of this medicine was given on Saturday, April 5. He was feeling pretty
good, but his condition deteriorated over the course of the week until
when I came home on Friday, April 11, I thought he might be dying. His
rear legs were weak, he was collapsing on them and literally dragging
them along at times. This continued through the weekend, seeming to get
a little worse each day.

But he persists. His appetite remains strong as does his desire to go
outside. On Tuesday, April 15, I got more medicine from the vet and gave
it to him that morning before I left for work. When I came home, I could
tell that he felt better, but his legs were still not working as they
should. And that brings us to today. This morning he wanted to go
outside and he ate a full meal. Following breakfast he went downstairs
to use the litter box, flopping down one step at a time. It's
heartbreaking to watch him work so hard; his will is so strong yet.

To eliminate the possibility that this is a neurological problem, the
vet suggested I perform a couple of screening tests. Based on Goomba's
response, I don't think the problem is neurological.

Goomba was diagnosed with fatty liver disease a couple of years ago,
from which he seemingly recovered rather quickly. That was his only
life-threatening illness. He is about seven or eight years old; I got
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RE: Update on New Positive

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Congratulation Kenzie. I can well imagine your jubilance! (I had the
same turnaround with my Mickey)
It's great to hear good news.
And hopefully another vet is duly enlightened and will spread the word.
Kerry M



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Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 10:29 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Update on New Positive


This is how our household situation is-  I began bottle feeding kittens
in May- they were found in a burn barrell.  In July, new to my kitty
care, I took in a kitten they thought needed feeding but turned out he
was very sick and near death when I got him.  Worm infested and
dehydrated and cold to the touch, I took him to the vet who thought I
was crazy because he was so near death but we wormed him and gave him
fluids-  The next day was a huge turn around and the weeks and months
that followed even more so.  We did go through a bout of ringworm but
the girls never got it just him.  In August, they got their vet work
done before working on new homes for them and all three came back FELV
positive.  
 
I was devastated but ignored the advice of euthanasia and kept them for
myself.  We ordered Mega C Plus and another supplement and began that.
They had a life and were healthy and happy!  In late September Frankie,
the male, had another bout w/ vomiting and weight loss, the girls never
had it.  We separated him and went through weeks of antibiotic and he
eventually began eating and turn around and rejoined the house.  He
didn't play as often, just sat quietly but he was eating drinking and
using the litter box.  NO fevers or any other signs of illness except
his quietness.  
 
In October, things gradually went down hill for Frankie and we put him
down in November.  I truely believe Frankie was the carrier giving the
girls the exposure. The girls were still happy and healthy.  I volunteer
for rescue and as in the previous emails, my spare room has been used
for extras w/out homes.  As you know, we had that light positive and the
mom and brother weren't and they have been separate from my girls.  
 
Yesterday, we retested the rescue, Jill, and my girls Maggie and
MitzyTHEY ARE ALL NEGATIVE!!   The vet asked lots of questions
because they are unfamiliar w/ FELV and don't usually actively treat it.
We are so happy for this.  Jill gets to go to her new home and my girls
get to celebrate their first birthday in May.  We are aware that this
result can turn around under times of stress and age but for now we are
celebrating!

Kenzie Kanne  
ARC Volunteer   
(712)830-9518  
www.myspace.com/animalrescueofcarroll
animalrescueofcarroll.org
  
 
 








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RE: Cat Fancy

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

hey Sherry--a friend that I mentioned the article on Crash's Landing to
just brought me a copy. What a great place, and a great veterinarian
(but of course we know that already!) 
It's nice to read about where you volunteer--a rare opportunity! Good
indeed to have happy news for once!
hugs, Kerry 


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Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 7:36 PM
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Subject: Cat Fancy


Hey everyonecrashs Landing made it to the big time!!! Check out Mays
issue of CatFancy and read about us!! It is good to have happy news for
once. :)
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RE: Zeus Please add to the CLS :(

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

I'm so sorry to hear about Zeus, Sherry. Yes, given he's been there all
the time you've been volunteering, he will surely be missed hugely.
Let's hope wherever he is now, he's still able to enjoy his baby food!
hugs, Kerry



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Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 8:24 PM
To: Felvtalk
Subject: Zeus Please add to the CLS :(


Well this was a bit of a shock for us. Zeus has been battling a URI and
we have had to keep his nose clean all the time.He was one big boy with
quite the cattitude.He would stalk me when I handed out individual
feedings at Sids.He loved baby food!! I used to argue with him but then
recently began a little bit of a friendship with him.He has been so
sweet the last couple of weeks.He has been there longer than I have been
volunteering,he will be missed by us all.I guess the infection moved
into his brain.Bye sweet Zeus
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RE: add to the candlelight service - Sassy and Valentino

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

 
Gloria, I'm so sorry to hear the sad stories of Sassy and Valentino.
It's hard enough letting go of beloved foster cats, and then to hear
that things have gone tragically wrong, and, as you say,
*unnecessarily*, is just devastating.
I really am so sorry---please know you're in my thoughts.
Big hugs, Kerry M



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 11:40 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: add to the candlelight service - Sassy and Valentino

Thanks, Diane, you got that right.  Dealing with the hoomins is  
difficult.  GLoria



On Mar 22, 2008, at 10:05 AM, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote:
> What a shame, Gloria.  Gentle rest to both of them, and may they in  
> their
> next life find hoomins who are more mindful of them.
>
> Diane R.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gloria Lane
> Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 9:37 AM
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> Subject: add to the candlelight service - Sassy and Valentino
>
> I have two former wonderful foster cats that I've recently learned  
> have
> died.
>
> Sassy - One died about a week ago, Sassy - she was a beautiful golden
> Persian, about 10 years old, delightful cat. Long story short -  
> apparently
> Sassy got sick, and her owner also  was ill and became wheelchair  
> bound,
> and nobody noticed that Sassy was sick.
>
> Valentino - The other was also an awesome cat - Valentino - a medium  
> long
> hair black and white, a young boy, wonderful personality.  His people
> accommodated his desire to go out-  they let him out  and of
> course he got run over.   This happened a while back - 2006 probably -
> but the family had moved and I just started wondering, located them  
> and
> found out.
>
> It's so sad to lose cats like this, so unnecessarily.
>
> Gloria
>
>
>
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RE: Snowball

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Lynne, what a darling!!! I think it's just wonderful that you've lost no
time in adopting another little soul. Wishing you and the gorgeous
Snowball many, many happy years together.
hugs, Kerry



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Here is Snowball.  As you can see she requires high maintenance.  We
need to wash her face and eyes at least twice a day.  Nothing wrong with
them, just persian eyes.
 
Lynne
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RE: please add Slinky to the CLS

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

I'm so very sorry, Sally. Please give my condolences to your sister
Laura. 
hugs, 
Kerry



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Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 8:30 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: please add Slinky to the CLS


Hi 
 
Slinky adopted my sister a year and a half ago. He was cautious to be
her cat as he was probably dumped off. He finally befriended her and her
canine lab mixes who loved chasing cats. Slinky was fearless andhe
invited his self into her home. With his laid back attitude the dogs did
not give chase. The day Junior passed I called Laura to cry on her
shoulder. She informed me Slinky was sleeping a lot and somewhat
lethargic. He was also off his food. I told her get him to a vet ASAP,
which she did. She found out that he was FELV positive. He had a fever.
The vet gave fliuds and sent abx home with her. Laura was scared . She
decided to give it a chance as this cat chose her. Well folks it was not
meant to be the cat went off. She found him hiding under her porch and
she could see in his eyes he was ready to go. So she took him to another
vet who checked everything out and she decided to set him free. She
feels as I do that Junior was letting us know that Slinky was not well.
 
So please add Slinky to the CLS for Laura. Hopefully Slinky will send
her someone to love soon.
 
Thanks
 
Sally
 
Still very much missing my Junior.

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RE: newgirlexpected

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Aww Lynne congratulations to you and the little kitt!
It's just wonderful that you and your husband are opening your heart and
home again to a little furball that truly needs to be showered with love
and care. 
Keep us posted!
hugs, Kerry



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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: newgirlexpected


I got the email I've been waiting for today.  I have been trying to
adopt this adorable little rescued cat, persian, for a couple weeks now.
I have missed BooBoo so much and have been through such emotional
garbage with the previous owners of him that I just need another cat to
give a good life to.  This cat was rescued from a horrible person who
had a pet shop in town.  The humane society and SPCA went in and seized
his animals and the City took his business licence away.  This cat,
(Snowball) was so sick, eyes swollen shut from infection, URI and it has
taken the foster woman a month to get her well.  She got final approval
from the vet to be let go, has got her shots updated and that's that.
She had been disgnosed with herpes.  I know, I'm getting myself into
another potential situation here, but at least I know what I have to
deal with if an outbreak occurs.  The vet was going to have her spayed
before releasing her but I convinced him that I would do it in the near
future once she has settled down in her new home.  I wish I had never
had BooBoo neutered so quickly after getting him.  I truly believe it
triggered his rapid downfall.  
 
Anyway, I now have the foster mom's personal email and we are going to
start the process of her coming to me.  I am just so happy to be able to
look after another little lost soul.
 
Lynne

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RE: Cat Fancy

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Definitely will do Sherry! Congrats! 
Kerry



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Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 7:36 PM
To: Felvtalk
Subject: Cat Fancy


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issue of CatFancy and read about us!! It is good to have happy news for
once. :)
Sherry



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RE: Marley Please add to the CLS :(

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

I'm so sorry Sherry. Marley was clearly an extraordinary little soul.
I'm glad he had so much love and was so very appreciated by everyone at
Sids. Once again, thank you and your fellow volunteers and Dr Jen for
all you do. Dr Jen sounds an extraordinary vet too.
big hugs, Kerryxx



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Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 4:52 PM
To: Felvtalk
Subject: Marley Please add to the CLS :(


This is one of the biggest heartbreaks that I have had to deal with
since I started volunteering at Sids.Marley was the most
beautiful,handsome,sweet loving black cat that I have ever met.I know
that MANY MANY volunteers are crying today for the loss of our
Marley.Every cat that comes into our care leaves us with a piece of our
hearts,well Marley took ALOT more than that!! He has touched all of us
in so many ways.I will miss our slow dancing while he stared soulfully
into my eyes.Yes we slow danced. :) I swear he totally listened and
understood what I said to him.Monday night was the last time I had the
chance to tell him how much I loved him and how special he is to me.He
actually meowed at me,he didnt do that much.the aweful disease spread ti
his brain and Jen had to let him go yesterday.she sent out a very sweet
e-mail to all of us,title Goodbye to our Amazing Marley.He was truly an
amazing boy.The place will NEVER be the same.But it will still be full
of love.
Thank you all so much,
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RE: Junior

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Sally, 
You're so very much in my thoughts at this heartbreaking time. I'm in
complete agreement with you. Junior deserved the chance that you gave
him, and he had a year and a half of quality time. Mine had about the
same amount of time. Before they became symptomatic, they enjoyed life
to the full.
hugs, Kerry



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sally Davis
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 11:27 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Junior


HI Kerry
 
Thanks you for the hugs. My head knows Junior is happy and whole. My
heart is broken. His roomate spike just jumped up on my lap to let me
know she is a love kitty.
 
When I first joined this group I almost had to leave it seemed like
someone baby was passing away all the time. It hurt so much to think
about it. I knew I had to stay because I learned so much. Junior lasted
a year and a half. I consider that a gift. To all you presently fighting
the disease it is worth the rollercoaster you may be on. You never know
your kitty may be the one to live a long happy life you have to give
him/her that chance.
 
Junior is six this year.
 
Sally


On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 11:51 AM, MacKenzie, Kerry N.
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I'm so, so sorry for what you and Junior have been through,
Sally. You did give him the greatest gift indeed, loving and caring for
him as you did, and now he's no longer suffering.
You and Junior are in my thoughts,
love and hugs, Kerry


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sally Davis
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 10:33 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Junior


Hi Lance and all you great parents, 
 
Junior took his last breath at the vet's today with assistance.
I would like to say it went well, but his body was shutting down. The
sedative did not calm him. I called the vet back into the room to go
ahead and stop his misery. His veins were not cooperating. She had to
stick him 4 times that last time she got a smaller needle.(Not her
fault, it was the end).
 
Junior had a heart murmur and that is what was going on. I was
not going to prolong his misery by heroics. Heroics kept him alive for
two years, and that is my greatest gift. 
 
Please light a candle for my precious baby. My heart is
breaking.  Send Junior to the CLS list with his brother Tiny who left me
Christmas day a year ago. 
 
I will share what I can about this horrible disease. 
 
Love
 
Sally


On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 8:17 AM, Lance <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:


Sally,

Junior will be in my prayers. I'm really sorry to hear
he isn't doing
well.

Lance

On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 08:12:42 -0400, "Sally Davis"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
said:

> Junior is having much difficulty breathing. I am
taking him into his
> original vet meaning more money, but they are the only
hospital available
> now. I gave him a prenisone. His lungs sound horrible.
I feel I ma saying
> goodbye. Please pray for him.
>
> Sally
>
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White, Ittle Bitty,
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RE: Junior

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

I'm so, so sorry for what you and Junior have been through, Sally. You
did give him the greatest gift indeed, loving and caring for him as you
did, and now he's no longer suffering.
You and Junior are in my thoughts,
love and hugs, Kerry


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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sally Davis
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 10:33 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Junior


Hi Lance and all you great parents, 
 
Junior took his last breath at the vet's today with assistance. I would
like to say it went well, but his body was shutting down. The sedative
did not calm him. I called the vet back into the room to go ahead and
stop his misery. His veins were not cooperating. She had to stick him 4
times that last time she got a smaller needle.(Not her fault, it was the
end).
 
Junior had a heart murmur and that is what was going on. I was not going
to prolong his misery by heroics. Heroics kept him alive for two years,
and that is my greatest gift. 
 
Please light a candle for my precious baby. My heart is breaking.  Send
Junior to the CLS list with his brother Tiny who left me Christmas day a
year ago. 
 
I will share what I can about this horrible disease. 
 
Love
 
Sally


On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 8:17 AM, Lance <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Sally,

Junior will be in my prayers. I'm really sorry to hear he isn't
doing
well.

Lance

On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 08:12:42 -0400, "Sally Davis"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
said:

> Junior is having much difficulty breathing. I am taking him
into his
> original vet meaning more money, but they are the only
hospital available
> now. I gave him a prenisone. His lungs sound horrible. I feel
I ma saying
> goodbye. Please pray for him.
>
> Sally
>
> --
> Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior, Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle
Bitty,
> Little
> Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior (newest) , Silver,
and Spike
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RE: alittleofftopic

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Yeeuch--they are a ghastly pair, Lynne. Much easier to blame someone
else than look at themselves in the mirror. I hope they're worried about
a lawsuit. 
hugs, Kerry



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Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 8:52 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: alittleofftopic


Well I received a reply from Boo's previous owner today.  They blame me
for all that happened.  They insist he was happy and healthy before we
got him and basically that we killed him by having vets stick needles in
him and using drugs that were not FDA approved.  She's so stupid, she
refers to the FDA which isn't even a Canadian agency.  Obviously she is
worried because she says she saved all my emails and they point to the
fact that they would have taken BooBoo back and they would have given me
documentation of his vaccinations if he had had them.  I replied that I
would never have given a sick BooBoo back to them because he would have
died an excrutiating death under their care.  I did finish my reply to
her by saying that I hoped in a moment of sanity they realized that they
were responsible for his illness and they live with the guilt for the
rest of their lives but that somehow I doubt that would happen.
 
Lynne

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RE: alittleofftopic

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Good for youI'm not surprised you're furious Lynne. The surprise
would be if you weren't. From your description of them, they are not
good people--they're at the opposite end of the spectrum from you and
the good folks on this list, their only interest in animals being the
profit they can make from them. The kneejerk reaction of a jerk is to
blame someone else when things go wrong, which is exactly what they've
done. I agree with you 100%--people like these should not be allowed
near an animal. I don't know how realistic it is, but if you did take
legal action it would be gratifying to see run them out of business. 
Keep us posted when you have time,
and good luck.
Kerry M.


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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne
Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 12:59 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: alittleofftopic


I just need to vent.  I have become extremely angry with the family who
sold us BooBoo.  I had been keeping them posted regularly, as they asked
me to, on the ordeal he was going through and only in the very beginning
did I receive one email from them, which indicated they thought my vet
was wrong, I should seek a second opinion, Felv was not contageous and
BooBoo had always been happy and healthy.  The woman also said some
stupid thing about what's wrong with me, that I don't believe in
miracles.
 
Well today, a week after Boo left us and the pain has not diminished, I
fired off an email expressing my surprise at their total lack of
interest in his short life with us. I told her I felt she knew he was
ill when she sold him to us and the circumstances around our acquiring
him being suspicious and told her I had talked to a lawyer friend about
possible legal action.  I said I wanted either a certified vet checked
Himilayan or my 300 dollars back, which by the way is a pittance
compared to the vet bills.  I told her I would not let this matter die,
like BooBoo had to.  I would have spent any amount in the world to keep
him alive but it wasn't meant to be.  There has to be some kind of
justice here.  People like this should not be allowed to own any kind of
pet and should need to suffer for their inhumanity.
 
Lynne
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RE: Marley and Melina

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Marley and Melina are in my prayers, Sherry. 
hugs, Kerry



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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sherry DeHaan
Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 5:58 AM
To: Felvtalk
Subject: Marley and Melina


On a much better note,they are both back at Sids.When i went in Saturday
night for my shift and saw in the book that they were back,I started to
cry before I even saw them.Then when I picked up beautiful little Melina
and she started rubbing her fce on mine,well lets just say she had a
bath of tears. :) She has won my heart from the second that I saw her.I
know she wont be with us long but she WILL know that she is loved.
As for our beautiful Marley,of course I cried when I held him too,he
looks pretty rough.He had to be put under to clean up his mouth and he
now has a mild case of Horners Syndrome.And it breaks my heart to see
this guy like this.He is a bit off balanced and just not quite
Marley,but I read that these symptoms go away in time.I hope so.Keep
them both in your prayers.Thanks
Sherry



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RE: Mr. Kennedy Please add to the CLS :(

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

I'm so sorry, Sherry. You and Dr Jen are amazing. I'm glad Mr Kennedy
found you in the end, even if was very sadly just for a short time.
hugs, Kerry



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Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 5:53 AM
To: Felvtalk
Subject: Mr. Kennedy Please add to the CLS :(


I am saddened to say that we lost sweet Mr. Kennedy yesterday.Dr. Jen
said she got him purring for her and held him close as he fell asleep.I
will miss his sweet half black half white face.He was an older boy of 8
years old and lived many years in another sanctuary that did not look
after his needs as they should have.But at least we got to love him for
a too little of a time.Thanks for you prayers.
Sherry



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RE: OT - CLS addition....... my Bandit

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Barb, I'm so sorry. Even though you're putting an awful brave face on
it, I know how much you must be hurting. I feel like Bandit's part of my
extended family, he's been around and popping up in your emails for such
a long time. Hope his mom and Smoky are doing ok. Big hugs and lots of
love to you. Kerryxx



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barb Moermond
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 2:09 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: OT - CLS addition... my Bandit


Bandit and his brother Smoky were the 2 kits I adopted after my FeLV+
kitty Ninja went to the Bridge.  Bandit went to the Bridge on Wednesday
March 5th, with his Momma and brother sitting with him.  He was only 9.5
yrs old...  but he's not hurting anymore and I'm sure he and Ninja and
Bart will get together and scheme to find someone to send to me.
Belinda, Bandit was FeLV-
 
Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito 
 
"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely
living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile." 
- Anonymous
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RE: BooBoo left us

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

How thoughtful of the folks who sent the flowers and card. From all you
said, BooBoo touched the heart of everyone who came into contact with
him--I recall you even saying one vet kissed him on the head as he said
goodbye. I've never seen that happen in the 10 years I've had cats (and
some of them were mighty sick). BooBoo was truly a remarkable little
soul. And you and Bob were remarkable in your devotion to him. You gave
him what he never had until he met youa ton of love---and he
certainly knew it.
hugs, Kerry


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 3:27 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: BooBoo left us


Ah thank you Kerry.  It's been difficult.  I thought we'd start feeling
a little better by now but that isn't happening.  We got a lovely floral
arrangement from the Animal Hospital on Tuesday and a touching card
today from the Vet and all the staff with such kind messages on it and
of course I started to cry.  I miss him so much.  I look beside me when
I go to bed and he's not there and it just breaks my heart all over
again.  Last night I was almost alseep and this picture of him laying on
the table lifeless came to mind and I swear I had an anxiety attack.  We
both know we did what was best for him.  He is no longer suffering but
boy we sure are.  We don't even have any happy memories because he was
never really well.  All we wanted to do was give him some joy.
 
Lynne

- Original Message ----- 
From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 4:06 PM
Subject: RE: BooBoo left us

Dear Lynne
I've been out of town and catching up on email---I am so very,
very sorry to hear the heartbreakingly sad news of BooBoo. You and Bob
must be devastated. I hope that knowing your little sweethheart couldn't
have wished for a better and more caring mom and dad than you and Bob,
and that he enjoyed your unstinting love and devotion every minute of
every day he spent with you will eventually bring you comfort. 
You did the most loving and kindest thing for him on Sunday when
he let you know his time had come.
But it's so painful, I know.
Thinking of you, 
much love and big hugs
Kerry


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne
Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 9:04 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: BooBoo left us


We lost our precious baby tonight.  He developed difficulty
breathing and we rushed him to the emergency clinic.  He was dehydrated
and had just had his lungs aspirated Friday.  The vet recently
experienced the same situation with his Himilayan, co-incidentally,
though I sometimes think they make stuff up to identify with your pain.
 
I held his little face in my hand and petted him as did Bob and
he slipped away almost immediately.  I don't think I've cried this much
in my life, Bob too.  At this moment I can't imagine ever being happy
again.  Sounds stupid but BooBoo conveyed to me this evening it was time
to go and he thanked us.  He was so very weak he could hardly walk but
he was still purring as we pet him even with the damn catheter in.  We
know this was best for him but the worst for us.
 
Thank you all for being so very supportive.
 
Lynne


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RE: BooBoo left us

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Dear Lynne
I've been out of town and catching up on email---I am so very, very
sorry to hear the heartbreakingly sad news of BooBoo. You and Bob must
be devastated. I hope that knowing your little sweethheart couldn't have
wished for a better and more caring mom and dad than you and Bob, and
that he enjoyed your unstinting love and devotion every minute of every
day he spent with you will eventually bring you comfort. 
You did the most loving and kindest thing for him on Sunday when he let
you know his time had come.
But it's so painful, I know.
Thinking of you, 
much love and big hugs
Kerry


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne
Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 9:04 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: BooBoo left us


We lost our precious baby tonight.  He developed difficulty breathing
and we rushed him to the emergency clinic.  He was dehydrated and had
just had his lungs aspirated Friday.  The vet recently experienced the
same situation with his Himilayan, co-incidentally, though I sometimes
think they make stuff up to identify with your pain.
 
I held his little face in my hand and petted him as did Bob and he
slipped away almost immediately.  I don't think I've cried this much in
my life, Bob too.  At this moment I can't imagine ever being happy
again.  Sounds stupid but BooBoo conveyed to me this evening it was time
to go and he thanked us.  He was so very weak he could hardly walk but
he was still purring as we pet him even with the damn catheter in.  We
know this was best for him but the worst for us.
 
Thank you all for being so very supportive.
 
Lynne
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RE: more questions and thankyou

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

My 2 cents worth: when I first needed to find out as much as poss about
FeLV, one of the many sites I went on was the Cornell---and, barely
educated as i was about the virus, I was shocked and disappointed to
find (from other more recent, corroborated, credible research), that
their information was incorrect/outdated. Also, the last update that
Cornell had made to their site at the time I visited it, Jan 2004, was
stated to be June 2003.
I can't give you the specifics of their incorrect info now as it was 4
years ago, but I've never gone back to their website.
Kerry M



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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dorothy Noble
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 11:26 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: more questions and thankyou


You are welcome to describe my information as "inaccurate";  I wrote:
Apparently the virus CAN live for a while.  I have read in several
places that you need to clean any area with a bleach/water cleaner if a
+
cat has been where a negative one will be staying.  It is said that you
should wait 30 days after your + cat is gone before you should
introduce a new negative cat into the household.
 
I would think that the Cornell University (as well as all of the others
documented below) hold a certain amount of credibility - more so than
any layman just posting their opinions here.  
Whatever you believe, I would ALWAYS err on the side of caution and keep
all of the litterboxes, bowls, etc separate.  Without knowing it, I put
my negative cats at risk; they had all been vaccinated for FeLV but it
isn't 100% effective.  Due to the extreme contagiousness, one of my
vaccinated cats now is FeLV positive.  Please note the yellow
highlighted part below - by following this strictly, my other negative
cat remained negative.
Suit yourself, but I prefer to be proactive with my cats.
 
What can I do now to protect my cats?? The only method for protecting
your cats is to remove any FELV-positive cat from other cats completely.
You should also follow strict quarantine procedures including separate
utensils, housing, litter pans for the FELV positive cat, and thoroughly
washing your hands, clothing and shoes after handling and caring for the
FELV positive cat. Do not breed an FELV positive queen!! If you lose a
cat to FELV, it is recommended that you wait 30 days before bringing in
a new cat, and then only after the area has been thoroughly scrubbed and
disinfected with a solution containing 4 ounces of household bleach per
gallon of water, rugs vacuumed completely, and all litter pans, food
dishes, bedding, etc. have been replaced. 


-

*   FeLV is considerably unstable and will not survive outside an
infected cat for an extended length of time. It is recommended to wait
at least 30 days before a new cat is brought into the household/facility
in which a FeLV-positive cat once lived 
*   Cleaning:
Thoroughly disinfect or replace the food dishes, litter pans,
and bedding that were used by the infected cat.
Tile or hard surfaced floors should be cleaned and disinfected
with a diluted bleach solution (approx. 4 oz. household bleach to 1 gal.
water). 
Thoroughly vacuum rugs to eliminate the virus from carpeting. 
*   These plus the thirty-day quarantine, should be sufficient to
eliminate the virus within the household. 

--
Keep a FeLV-infected cat indoors and away from other cats. If the cat
dies from FeLV, the Cornell Feline Health Center recommends a waiting
period of at least 30 days before getting another cat. The house and cat
supplies should be thoroughly cleaned and disinfected before bringing a
new cat home.
An FeLV-positive cat that is not sick is probably still shedding the
virus. FeLV-positive cats should not be housed with other cats. Deciding
what to do with an FeLV-positive cat in a multicat household can be very
difficult. There are several options, including:

*   Euthanasia 
*   Finding a home for the FeLV-positive cat where it will be the
sole cat 
*   Isolating the FeLV-positive cat within the home, by keeping it
in a separate room and providing a separate litter tray and feeding bowl


Because FeLV can be spread through litter trays, water and food bowls,
and bedding, these should be disinfected with a solution containing 4
ounces of household bleach per 1 gallon of water, or they should be
replaced after isolating the FeLV-positive cat. Floors should be cleaned
and disinfected with a bleach solution, and rugs should be thoroughly
vacuumed.
 
-
If you have previously had a cat with FeLV, wait at least 30 days before
acquiring a new cat. During that time, all litterboxes and food bowls
should be replaced, and the premises cleaned thoroughly.


Belinda Sauro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

This is why inaccur

RE: more bad news

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Dear Lynne
I can well imagine how you felt when you were given this news. I know
almost nothing about FIP myself including how reliable such a diagnosis
is but I see many of the good folks on this list who are informed have
given you lots of good feedback.
I know how very difficult (understatement) it is for you to suffer this
double blow and we each have to deal with our special needs cats in our
own way. My 2 cents worth: when I discovered 5 of my 3-month old rescue
foster kittens had FeLV (at which point I realized they were no longer
fosters but mine), and after the initial floods of tears had subsided
and I had to get on with the practicals of looking after them, it made
me feel good that I could care for them---that they would never to have
to worry about finding shelter in sub-zero temperatures, foraging for
food, or suffer e.g., untreated URIs again. Bad enough they had FeLV but
far, far worse (to my mind) to suffer it on the street. Of course there
were very, very painful times--some I still can't dwell on--but because
they found me, I feel that at least they had quality of life while they
were symptom-free.
BooBoo has more love and devotion now than he ever dreamt possible! You
have already given this little soul that came into your life more than
many creatures, 2- and 4-legged, get in a lifetime. I love the fact that
he found YOU. He sure knew what he was doing. If everyone in the world
was like you and Bob, what a wonderful world this would truly be.
hugs, Kerry


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 2:45 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: more bad news


Well just when you think it can't get any worse it does.  BooBoo's
cytology came back today and he has FIP as well as feline leukemia.
There was no bacteria in it. There is nothing left for us to do for him.
There was no bacteria in the culture, just protein and fibres, because
his blood vessels are leaky.  The vet says all we can do is make him
comfortable and at this point it is all about quality of life.  He will
continue to drain his lungs every week to 10 days and keep him on this
antibiotic until it is finished and only Lasix once a day, which I guess
does nothing for this lung fluid.  If he becomes worse, ie he has to
have the fluid drained more frequently then we will have to do the
obvious.  We will put on a good face for our dear boy and do everything
we can to keep him with us as long as we can but it isn't looking too
good at the moment.  The vet said they had another cat in this week that
tested positive for FIP but not leukemia.  He said BooBoo has been hit
with a double blow and unfortunately the end is near.  I don't know if
the Factor stuff will make it here before Boo dies but I'm trying to be
realistic here now and face the inevitable.  My husband and I are
horribly sad about this but I'm getting angry now at these criminals who
owned him and lied to me about his being healthy and vaccinated.  We
have several top notch lawyers in our practice who like me a lot and
would do me a favor if I asked.  I'm seriously considering consulting
with one of them when this tragedy is over.
 
Lynne
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RE: pill gun again

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Lynne, BooBoo sounds like he's enjoying life--that's *always* good news!
Kerry



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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 2:53 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: pill gun again


I forgot to ask him about that yesterday, but he showed us again how to
do it and last night and this morning we managed to get his pills down
with no problem. He's not a spitter.  Once they're down they're down.
He's on something called Zeniquin 25 mg one half tablet a day and
Furosemide 20 one half tablet twice a day.  No more liquid food for him.
That causes more stress than the pills.  I'm sure since it's in an oily
base it sticks in the throat and the taste is hard to get rid of. We
should have his culture and cytology report back tomorrow which as usual
will be bad news I'm sure. We haven't had one tidbit of good news yet
but I don't even care.  He was happy when I got up this morning and
happy to see me when I got home from work.  And Bob says he's eaten like
a horse today.  He ate a large amount just now so that's always a good
thing.  He's drinking his water too which is good since he's on the
diuretic.  

- Original Message - 
From: Dorothy Noble   
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 3:25 AM
Subject: pill gun again

Hey Lynne -
The pill gun I got came from the vet and it was only 5 bucks.
They are really slick and the pill fits right into the end.  Maybe you
could ask your vet if they have any?






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RE: another 75 cc

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

It's lovely to hear BooBoo is getting so much attention. I'm also sure
your husband is right---you're educating them.
Good luck with finding an FeLV- knowledgeable vet as you mentioned more
recently (I'm reading my emails "back to front"). 
Kerry



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 12:05 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: another 75 cc


Well we're home again.  BooBoo had another 75ccs taken out of his lungs
today.  Not only did his regular vet come in to see him, a third vet was
there.  BooBoo has become quite the celebrity.  They're now sending a
sample for culturing and cytology to see if there are any cancer cells
present.  Nothing is going well for us.  However, when he got home he
ate a big lunch and we put him to bed with the window open for fresh air
and he was purring like crazy.  He's now on another antibiotic and will
continue on the lasix for another week.  Both the vets kissed him on top
of his little head before we left.  This third vet was very kind, the
other two are as well but this one told us lets see what we're dealing
with when the cytology report comes back and we'll go from there.  He
didn't dismiss the interferon but said we're basically doing palliative
care here and our goal is to keep him comfortable.  The fluid aspiration
seems to help but it will continue.  All three of these vets are East
Indian and lovely caring men but I hate to admit that when they are
giving details of what is going on I have a bit of a problem with the
accents.  He said something about protein spilling and I couldn't
understand the rest.  Of course I am always kind of overwhelmed with
sadness I don't grasp the whole picture.  On an up side, Bob mentioned
on the way home that he doesn't even care about the money part of this.
He thinks these 3 vets are becoming more educated in the care of these
animals and he doesn't mind at all paying for something that may benefit
another cat in the future.  I guess that's a good thing too.
 
Lynne
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RE: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

El, you're an angel. Thanks for everything you're doing for your new
furbabes.
My FeLV Snoball was prone to diarrhea. On the advice of my vet, when he
had a bout, I gave him only plain cooked chicken breast--I broiled it,
then blended in with water and a feline supplement--chicken alone
doesn't provide all the necessary nutrition--to make a thick, bland
puree. (Because I had six positives in the same space they all had to
have the chicken, and they all loved it.) I kept it up for 2-3 weeks,
and it did the trick every time--cleared up the diarrhea.
Good luck
Kerry



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gloria Lane
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 8:51 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli


What a loving thing you've done!  I do like interferon alpha, but find
different vets sell it for different prices.  I've found a less
expensive source locally and generally give 1/2 cc daily to FELV cats
that are less than 3 yrs old, or if they're sick like yours.   

I've been using veterinary (not grocery store) kaopectate for diarrhea
lately and it's worked great - think it's good for coating the lining of
the digestive tract.  I started that because I ran out of Panacur, but
it's working well.  The latest formulation of Kaopectate that you get in
the grocery and drugs stores contains an aspirin like substance that's
harmful to cats.  At Veterinarypartner.com, there's an article that
says: "The old form of Kaopectate contained only kaolin and pectin while
later forms contained attapulgite, all of which were very safe in
animals due to the lack of systemic absorption.  However, Kaopectate has
recently developed a new formula that contains the drug bismuth
subsalicylate, a drug that can be toxic to cats. "


So we got some of the old formula from a vet, and it works well.


Best of luck,




Gloria






On Feb 24, 2008, at 8:05 PM, whocares whocares wrote:



To:  felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Hi,
This is my first post so please bear with me. I'm posting this
through email. If there's a more efficient way please let me know. 2
weeks ago I took in 7 filthy, reeking, matted, very, very ill cats from
a horrific shelter in the area. All were emaciated, dehydrated, infected
eyes, URI's, ear mites/infections, severe diahrea, etc.. My vet didn't
think they'd make it through the first night but here they are getting
healthier by the day. Some still need injectable antibiotic combos daily
but they are improving.
One of these had severe gingivitis - very infected teeth that
had to be dealt quickly. She survived the anaesthetic and had all except
4 teeth removed (her canines were sticking sideways out of her mouth
they were so infected).
She had a blood panel done and she tested positive for FeLV. Her
other levels correlate with the positive diagnosis. She may be up to 8
yrs old? She has a severe URI which is improving. However, she has
terrible diahrea. She is on a daily injectable antibiotic combo and also
gets injectable B12 and injectable B complex. I have her on probiotics
and Standard Process Whole Body Support. I have Collostrum. Do you
recommend it and how much should I give her? She's tiny and fragile - 4
- 5 lbs now. Do you recommend Interferon? What else can I give her? She
is isolated in a very large sunny warm bathroom and very happy and very
active (even a bit hyper). She has gone from NASTY cat in the beginning
to sweet cuddly lap cat now. Two of the others have been tested
(awaiting results) and the other 4 will have blood panels this week.
Some of these new cats are isolated together and some are isolated
alone. My own cats and other permanent fosters I have are fragile and
don't get vaxed - can't due to auto immune diseases, severe HCM,
vaccinosis, etc. so the new ones have no contact with mine.
Any and all suggestions, advice would be gratefully accepted.
Thanks
El




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RE: coughing

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Lynne, I am SO glad you're looking for another vet. You and BooBoo need
a vet who's supportive in every way--who has a positive outlook AND
proactive. Good luck. Keep us posted when you have time. 
hugs, Kerry
 
 


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 2:19 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: coughing


We had to go out to visit my dad today Marylyn so I reluctantly left
BooBoo alone sleeping.  When we got home I went upstairs and lay down
with him and even though he didn't open his eyes he began purring.  I
told Bob what you said about the amount of sleep they need so we've
determined not to bug him so much.  He did pee and poo while we were
gone and went up on the bed to sleep.  He is breathing better now. Still
have the appointment tomorrow because they couldn't see us today.  There
were two emergencies apparently.  Big friggin deal.  If a vets office
can't handle two emergencies and one sick cat in a day, I give up.  I am
searching for another vet.  I have a lead on a good one.  This guy told
Bob he would analyse the fluid and get back to us and he just got rid of
it.  Like I've said, everything he has done for us so far has been after
I've read up on the disease or read these posts and told him my
suggestions.  He obviously thinks we are fighting a losing battle here
and doesn't have Boo's best interest at heart.  We will persevere
because neither Boo or we want him dead yet.  I actually have some
catnip in the garden despite this miserable cold weather.  I'll give it
a shot.  I wish cats liked lavender because I have a lot of that and it
is supposed to be calming for people.
 
Lynne

- Original Message - 
From: Marylyn   
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 3:06 PM
Subject: Re: coughing

Try spraying Rescue Remedy or Cat Nap around him a few minutes
before you pill him.  Check with a holistic vet if you are having
trouble with the status quo.  Basically, ask yourself what you have to
gain and what you have to lose. 
It is an awful situation.  Been there.  Done that.  With various
critters and various physical problems.  I would never give up the total
pleasure of their company and the wisdom of their teachingsin
spite of the frustration and pain and all the other
emotions..each friend taught me and gave me so much.  Here is
where I get too emotional.  

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RE: need help with posting

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Dorothy---your email arrived in my inbox ok!
 And yes, it's much more the norm to reply to the group, not the
individual.
What about if you try changing your setting to no digest, so the emails
arrive individually? 
You *should* be able to do exactly as you describe--that's how it
usually works. No, you're NOT a loser!
Kerry M. (have to log off now for weekend---good luck.)



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dorothy Noble
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 4:44 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: need help with posting


Can someone help me figure out how to reply to an email or post a new
one?  Mine never show in the daily digest I get - and if I go to the
site, I can pull them up through the archives.  
But, I would really like to be able to reply directly to the topic on
the site and not necessarily email the writer directly.  (Am I just a
total loser who can't get the hang of this?)
 
I am very interested in what all of you have to say - I am the proud
friend of 2 FeLV kitties and I would like to have a group to connect
with.
Thanks for any help you can give me.





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RE: my baby

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

This is wonderful news about BooBoo Lynne! Thanks for letting know! You
guys have a great weekend too!
Kerry



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 12:57 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: my baby


I have to tell you guys about BooBoo's new regime.  It involves taking
him out in the patio twice a day for fresh air and nature.  He's really
enjoying it.  He watches and listens to the birds for about 10 to 15
minutes at a time.  I think it does him a world of good.  Today he
walked into the living room after his outdoor adventure, which is
unusual, and was waving his tail in Lennie's face who was sleeping on
the sofa.  This woke Len up who just stared at him.  Then Bob was
feeding Len some silly cat treats and BooBoo who usually cowers from
him, got up marched right over to Len and hissed at him.  Totally out of
character.  Lennie who in his day would lay ruin to any animal who
entered his yard just left and went back to bed.  On the way to the
stairs Boo tore the hell out of the bottom stair carpet and boinged
upstairs.  I had brought his food up but he literally threw himself down
in front of it, put his head between his paws and sulked until Bob came
up and encouraged him to eat.  It's getting ridiculous.  He wants both
of us to feed him and stay with him til he's done.  So far the Lasix
seems to be keeping the fluid under control and he's breathing normally.

 
Hope you all have a wonderful weekend.
Lynne
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RE: Finlay Please add to the CLS :(

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

I'm so sorry, Sherry. I'm glad Finlay was at least surrounded by love at
the end of his all too short life. 
Sending healing thoughts to all the other furry sweeties.
Kerry



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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sherry DeHaan
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 11:14 AM
To: Felvtalk
Subject: Finlay Please add to the CLS :(


THis is a heartbreaker,I fell for this fluffy black boy the second I saw
him.He had a bit of a cattitude towards other cats but he loved
people.He even swatted me a few times.But all it took was a look at that
sweet fuzzy face to forgve him.I understood that he had a short hard
life.But plenty of love for the last few months.Thanks for your good
wishes and keep the others im your prayers.
Sherry



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RE: Holistic Vets

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Yes, got it Lynne! 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:51 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Holistic Vets

Kerry, did you see my follow up email.  It isn't factor one it's
transfer
factor.  I don't know what I was thinking when I said it was the former.

Lynne
- Original Message -
From: "MacKenzie, Kerry N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:49 AM
Subject: RE: Holistic Vets


I can't find anything on "Factor One" in a (quick) google search. Was
this a typo in the original email?
But certainly there is tons in our (felineleukemia.org) archives on the
use of Transfer Factor as an immune system support.
Kerry

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 9:21 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Holistic Vets

You are absolutely correct Jane.  Again, it's called Transfer Factor.  I
am
desparate so am willing to put out a few extra bucks but you are totally
correct about us being vulnerable and easy prey for some unscrupulous
vendors.

Lynne
- Original Message -
From: "Jane Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: Holistic Vets


> Why doesn't Karen come onto the list and share Factor One?
> I think there are rules that prevent soliciting products on a list
> such as this.
> We are all vulnerable, and subject to wishful thinking.
> I hope that Factor One is a remedy, but I think that it should be
> made available
> to the list, and to our vets. This list should be transparent. (IMHO)
> Jane
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 20, 2008, at 9:41 AM, Sue Koren wrote:
>
> > Lynne, I know what you mean about the vets - my vet acted like she
> > thinks I'm a pain for even asking about preventative measures. And
> > it has always seemed like they considered dogs to be more
> > importent.  WE know better.
> > What is the Factor One and what is it suppose to do? Buzz is still
> > pretty healthy and I would sure like to keep him that way.  He
> > worries me when he pants when he plays, though.
> > Sue
> >
> >  Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > =
> > Sue, I spoke with Karen at length last night and she recommended
> > something
> > called Factor One.  I'm gonna call the supplier today.  My vet has
> > now told
> > me that interferon will not help BooBoo as it is too late.  I've
> > decided
> > that I will do what I can within reason to help BooBoo keep
> > comfortable.
> > I've had to stop the Doxycycline because it is too stressful for
him.
> > Perhaps we can restart it next week if he's better or if the
> > culture comes
> > back suggesting another antibiotic I'll try that.  Our vet is a
> > really nice
> > guy but is not encouraging and it seems like now he does not want
> > to do
> > anything unless we tell him what to do.  He's concerned I suppose
> > about the
> > expense of all this treatment and the inevitable results.
> >
> > Good luck with the Holistic vet.  Around here this disease seems
like
> > something that has not interested a lot of vets and they just
> > euthanize,
> > which is shameful.  Also, a lot of vets seem to be more interested
> > in dogs
> > than cats, probably because there are so many feral cats around and
> > they are
> > causing problems.
> >
> > Lynne
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Sue Koren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "FeLV Talk" 
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:25 AM
> > Subject: Holistic Vets
> >
> >
> >> Hi, All -
> >> First off, Lynn, I am so glad to hear Boo Boo is doing better.  I
> >> had a
> > cat who had fluid removed and she did not do anywhere near so well
> > afterwards.  Don't give up on that little fighter any time soon!
> >> I am thinking about taking Buzz to a Holistic Vet.  When I
> >> questioned my
> > regular vet about Immuno-Regulin and Interferon she said she had
> > not heard
> > of much success with those things and said I might want to consider
a
> > Holistic Vet.  I e-mailed one and asked if they could do anything
> > for a
> > FeLV+ cat that would be peventative and might help them throw the
> > virus.  It
> > is quite a distance from my home and I don't want to put Buzz
> > through the
> > stress of the trip if it won't do him any good.

RE: Holistic Vets

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Lynne, you are so right about everything coming from you---it sounds
like your vet isn't clued up about FeLV which would not be unusual.
When I ordered the IR for my Flavia (on the recommendation of the
wonderful Michelle Lerner who used to be on this list) my (also
compasssionate) vet, Dr Diane, had to ask ME about the protocols! But at
least she was willing to work with me. And she also got permission from
her boss, the clinic owner, to come to my house -- I was due to go away
at the time; it was horrible timing -- to treat Flavia, and her boss
told her there would be no charge! 
It all became moot in the end because Flavia's HCT plummeted again, and
I couldn't put her through another transfusion.
My current vet has been refreshingly open to learning about FeLV, and
asked me for details a couple years ago of how to get feline interferon
from the UK for another of his clients whose cat had just been diagnosed
positive.
Maybe your vet will also learn from you, and take a more proactive view
in future.
Kerry

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:49 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Holistic Vets

Kerry, when the vet first told us of his prognosis and offered
euthanization
before we "bonded" too much with him, I told him, "I don't believe in
putting individuals suffering with the AIDS virus down so why would I
want
to do this to a seemingly well animal".  He thought that was pretty
funny
and then agreed to do what we could to treat problems as they arise.  I
suppose the majority of people who discover this about their pets do
imagine
the worse and want to get over it quickly.  I really like this vet on a
personal level.  He seems very compassionate but like I told my husband
last
night, everything we've done so far has come from us, not him.  I am not
a
vet, I shouldn't have to suggest blood work, antibiotics, lasix and
fluid
aspiration.  If I hadn't joined this group, BooBoo would be in the
ground
right now.  And yes, I don't care how frozen the ground is, or what kind
of
contageous disease he has, he will be buried next to my dearly beloved
Chuck
in a garden I have with forget-me-not and bleeding heart flowers in it.

Lynne
- Original Message -
From: "MacKenzie, Kerry N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 11:13 AM
Subject: RE: Holistic Vets


I can relate to everything you say Lynne. You're doing everything in
your power to help BooBoo, but you're not going to let him suffer.
It's beyond me why so many vets can't think beyond euthanasia the second
a cat tests FeLV pos. It makes me want to say to them, so I take it
you'd recommend euthanasia for yourself if you were diagnosed with a
terminal disease? Yup, that's my vindictive streak!
I don't blame you one bit for emailing BooBoo's former "family". I hope
they do take a lesson from it. But, from everything you've said about
them they are not good people and I hate to think of any animal being in
their "care".
Kerry


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 9:18 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Holistic Vets

Thank you Jane.  I think of all our members and what they are
experiencing
as well.  I think it makes us all better people and caregivers.
Honestly I
think the vet was wrong to suggest to us as soon as Boo was diagnosed
that
we consider euthanasia.  It would have been far harder on me if I had
not
given him a fighting chance.  I still will not let him suffer and if
there
is any indication of that, BooBoo will be crossing that bridge.  My
husband
has suggested I not let the previous owners know what is going on with
him
because they would just blame us anyway, but I felt this morning that
they
should experience at least a bit of the pain that we have because of
their
neglect/stupidity.  So I did email them outlining all of the tests he's
been
through, the suffering he has experienced with his breathing, all the
nasty
details including the financial impact.  I'm not as kind as my husband
is
and unfortunately I do have a vindictive side to me.  I ended my email
by
saying you should have all your animals tested and/or vaccinated so you
won't have to experience this agony.

Lynne
- Original Message -
From: "Jane Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:09 AM
Subject: Re: Holistic Vets


> Lynne
> I am thinking of you and BooBoo. I know how stressful this is for the
> both of you.
> He is on his own path and is so lucky to know what caring and love
> feels like.
> Take care of yourself.
>
> Jane
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 20, 2008, at 9:11 AM, Lynne wrote:
>
> > Sue,

RE: Holistic Vets

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

I can relate to everything you say Lynne. You're doing everything in
your power to help BooBoo, but you're not going to let him suffer.
It's beyond me why so many vets can't think beyond euthanasia the second
a cat tests FeLV pos. It makes me want to say to them, so I take it
you'd recommend euthanasia for yourself if you were diagnosed with a
terminal disease? Yup, that's my vindictive streak!
I don't blame you one bit for emailing BooBoo's former "family". I hope
they do take a lesson from it. But, from everything you've said about
them they are not good people and I hate to think of any animal being in
their "care".
Kerry


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 9:18 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Holistic Vets

Thank you Jane.  I think of all our members and what they are
experiencing
as well.  I think it makes us all better people and caregivers.
Honestly I
think the vet was wrong to suggest to us as soon as Boo was diagnosed
that
we consider euthanasia.  It would have been far harder on me if I had
not
given him a fighting chance.  I still will not let him suffer and if
there
is any indication of that, BooBoo will be crossing that bridge.  My
husband
has suggested I not let the previous owners know what is going on with
him
because they would just blame us anyway, but I felt this morning that
they
should experience at least a bit of the pain that we have because of
their
neglect/stupidity.  So I did email them outlining all of the tests he's
been
through, the suffering he has experienced with his breathing, all the
nasty
details including the financial impact.  I'm not as kind as my husband
is
and unfortunately I do have a vindictive side to me.  I ended my email
by
saying you should have all your animals tested and/or vaccinated so you
won't have to experience this agony.

Lynne
- Original Message -
From: "Jane Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:09 AM
Subject: Re: Holistic Vets


> Lynne
> I am thinking of you and BooBoo. I know how stressful this is for the
> both of you.
> He is on his own path and is so lucky to know what caring and love
> feels like.
> Take care of yourself.
>
> Jane
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 20, 2008, at 9:11 AM, Lynne wrote:
>
> > Sue, I spoke with Karen at length last night and she recommended
> > something
> > called Factor One.  I'm gonna call the supplier today.  My vet has
> > now told
> > me that interferon will not help BooBoo as it is too late.  I've
> > decided
> > that I will do what I can within reason to help BooBoo keep
> > comfortable.
> > I've had to stop the Doxycycline because it is too stressful for
him.
> > Perhaps we can restart it next week if he's better or if the
> > culture comes
> > back suggesting another antibiotic I'll try that.  Our vet is a
> > really nice
> > guy but is not encouraging and it seems like now he does not want
> > to do
> > anything unless we tell him what to do.  He's concerned I suppose
> > about the
> > expense of all this treatment and the inevitable results.
> >
> > Good luck with the Holistic vet.  Around here this disease seems
like
> > something that has not interested a lot of vets and they just
> > euthanize,
> > which is shameful.  Also, a lot of vets seem to be more interested
> > in dogs
> > than cats, probably because there are so many feral cats around and
> > they are
> > causing problems.
> >
> > Lynne
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Sue Koren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "FeLV Talk" 
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:25 AM
> > Subject: Holistic Vets
> >
> >
> >> Hi, All -
> >> First off, Lynn, I am so glad to hear Boo Boo is doing better.  I
> >> had a
> > cat who had fluid removed and she did not do anywhere near so well
> > afterwards.  Don't give up on that little fighter any time soon!
> >> I am thinking about taking Buzz to a Holistic Vet.  When I
> >> questioned my
> > regular vet about Immuno-Regulin and Interferon she said she had
> > not heard
> > of much success with those things and said I might want to consider
a
> > Holistic Vet.  I e-mailed one and asked if they could do anything
> > for a
> > FeLV+ cat that would be peventative and might help them throw the
> > virus.  It
> > is quite a distance from my home and I don't want to put Buzz
> > through the
> > stress of the trip if it won't do him any good.
> >> Sue
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
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RE: Holistic Vets

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

I can't find anything on "Factor One" in a (quick) google search. Was
this a typo in the original email?
But certainly there is tons in our (felineleukemia.org) archives on the
use of Transfer Factor as an immune system support.
Kerry

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 9:21 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Holistic Vets

You are absolutely correct Jane.  Again, it's called Transfer Factor.  I
am
desparate so am willing to put out a few extra bucks but you are totally
correct about us being vulnerable and easy prey for some unscrupulous
vendors.

Lynne
- Original Message -
From: "Jane Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: Holistic Vets


> Why doesn't Karen come onto the list and share Factor One?
> I think there are rules that prevent soliciting products on a list
> such as this.
> We are all vulnerable, and subject to wishful thinking.
> I hope that Factor One is a remedy, but I think that it should be
> made available
> to the list, and to our vets. This list should be transparent. (IMHO)
> Jane
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 20, 2008, at 9:41 AM, Sue Koren wrote:
>
> > Lynne, I know what you mean about the vets - my vet acted like she
> > thinks I'm a pain for even asking about preventative measures. And
> > it has always seemed like they considered dogs to be more
> > importent.  WE know better.
> > What is the Factor One and what is it suppose to do? Buzz is still
> > pretty healthy and I would sure like to keep him that way.  He
> > worries me when he pants when he plays, though.
> > Sue
> >
> >  Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > =
> > Sue, I spoke with Karen at length last night and she recommended
> > something
> > called Factor One.  I'm gonna call the supplier today.  My vet has
> > now told
> > me that interferon will not help BooBoo as it is too late.  I've
> > decided
> > that I will do what I can within reason to help BooBoo keep
> > comfortable.
> > I've had to stop the Doxycycline because it is too stressful for
him.
> > Perhaps we can restart it next week if he's better or if the
> > culture comes
> > back suggesting another antibiotic I'll try that.  Our vet is a
> > really nice
> > guy but is not encouraging and it seems like now he does not want
> > to do
> > anything unless we tell him what to do.  He's concerned I suppose
> > about the
> > expense of all this treatment and the inevitable results.
> >
> > Good luck with the Holistic vet.  Around here this disease seems
like
> > something that has not interested a lot of vets and they just
> > euthanize,
> > which is shameful.  Also, a lot of vets seem to be more interested
> > in dogs
> > than cats, probably because there are so many feral cats around and
> > they are
> > causing problems.
> >
> > Lynne
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Sue Koren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "FeLV Talk" 
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:25 AM
> > Subject: Holistic Vets
> >
> >
> >> Hi, All -
> >> First off, Lynn, I am so glad to hear Boo Boo is doing better.  I
> >> had a
> > cat who had fluid removed and she did not do anywhere near so well
> > afterwards.  Don't give up on that little fighter any time soon!
> >> I am thinking about taking Buzz to a Holistic Vet.  When I
> >> questioned my
> > regular vet about Immuno-Regulin and Interferon she said she had
> > not heard
> > of much success with those things and said I might want to consider
a
> > Holistic Vet.  I e-mailed one and asked if they could do anything
> > for a
> > FeLV+ cat that would be peventative and might help them throw the
> > virus.  It
> > is quite a distance from my home and I don't want to put Buzz
> > through the
> > stress of the trip if it won't do him any good.
> >> Sue
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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RE: breathing

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Oh Lynne, sending prayers and healing thoughts for BooBoo.
He's such a plucky little fighter, I hope your vet can treat him.
hugs, Kerry


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 7:11 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: breathing


BooBoo is getting worse.  I called the vet this morning and he answered
the phone and told us to bring him in.  He told me he felt it was the
anemia getting worse and sadly this sounds like he's at the end stage of
this disease.  I have to go to work so I just spent some time with him.
He's still gasping for air, mouth breathing but was purring and rolled
over to be petted.  Bob has to take him to the vet and I've instructed
him to tell Dr. Gill to treat this if at all possible.  I don't care
what he has to do.  If there is at all a chance he can recover from this
setback I want measures taken.  I absolutely hate the fact that I can't
be home today.
 
Lynne
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