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Dear Deborah, What a lousy way to start off as a Foster Mom. It isn't usually like that. Usually you get to play with wonderful little beings, and then send them to their Forever homes. It's never easy to let them go, but knowing that they will have new lives, and you can go on to help the next ones, it kind of balances out. Unfortunately, there don't seem to be any hard and fast rules for FeLV. From my research, It seems that while cats can test negative and yet still harbor the virus, when they DO test negative, they are not contagious. The problem is multi-faceted, though. In your case, wedon't know when the MomCat sero-coverted to positive. Was it during her stay with you? After she left you? If that, then the kittens have a good chance of never testing positive. It's also possible, in fact most likely,that the MomCat was exposed before she was taken into rescue. The incubation period for FeLV is variable, and that's the biggest problem. We just don't know what the time frames are. It's also possible for a cat to test negative, become positive (after incubation) and then recover completely. That can takeup 16 weeks, some sources say longer. From; http://abcd-vets.org/guidelines/guidelines_pdf/1201-FeLV_Guideline.pdf, when discussing positive yet healthy cats; "Cats testing positive may overcome viraemia after two to sixteen weeks - in rare cases even later. Therefore, every test-positive healthy cat should be separated and retested after several weeks or months;" So, it is very possible that they will be negative in 30 days, but they may be positive. The question is whether they will STAY positive. Or stay negative. Even if they become positive, and return to negative, it won't be clear whether they still harbor the virus, or have cleared it completely. This is no help, I know. I wish there were more I could tell you, but I'm struggling to understand it, myself. All the best, Margo -Original Message- From: Deborah Adams <auntiede...@yahoo.com>Sent: Jun 6, 2013 4:14 PM To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" <FELVTALK@FELINELEUKEMIA.ORG>Subject: [Felvtalk] New Member Hi all, I'm a new member of this group hoping to better understand FeLv and the situation that I'm in. Last month, I decided to foster kittens for my local humane society as a summer project with my 2 girls (age 7 and 10 years). We were given a momma cat and her 3 kittens who were about 4-5 weeks old, found as strays. All were initially tested for FeLv and came back negative (I don't know which test HS used.) After helping momma wean her kittens, I returned her to the shelter this past weekend. Yesterday she was retested for FeLV before her spay surgery and was positive. (HS checked both her blood and serum.) Today, I took the kittens back to HS for testing and they are negative for FeLV. I agreed to continue fostering them for 30 days and then they will be retested. How much hope do these kittens have? Is there any chance that they will continue to be negative for FeLV? I'm so stressed about all this. My kids are heart-broken. I feel like everything is going all wrong. First, they all got URI and one kitten got a persistent eye infection that took three different antibiotics until it finally cleared up. But her eye is all clouded over and she is probably blind in that eye. And now this FeLV scare. I don't know if I can handle fostering. Deborah Adams ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hi all, I'm a new member of this group hoping to better understand FeLv and the situation that I'm in. Last month, I decided to foster kittens for my local humane society as a summer project with my 2 girls (age 7 and 10 years). We were given a momma cat and her 3 kittens who were about 4-5 weeks old, found as strays. All were initially tested for FeLv and came back negative (I don't know which test HS used.) After helping momma wean her kittens, I returned her to the shelter this past weekend. Yesterday she was retested for FeLV before her spay surgery and was positive. (HS checked both her blood and serum.) Today, I took the kittens back to HS for testing and they are negative for FeLV. I agreed to continue fostering them for 30 days and then they will be retested. How much hope do these kittens have? Is there any chance that they will continue to be negative for FeLV? I'm so stressed about all this. My kids are heart-broken. I feel like everything is going all wrong. First, they all got URI and one kitten got a persistent eye infection that took three different antibiotics until it finally cleared up. But her eye is all clouded over and she is probably blind in that eye. And now this FeLV scare. I don't know if I can handle fostering. Deborah Adams___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Deborah, First of all, thank you for fostering! You and your daughters provided an invaluable service for your local HS. I'm sorry your first fostering experience has been tainted by FeLV. Please understand that FeLV isn't an automatic death sentence though cats and kittens who are positive usually have a shorter life span. However, it doesn't mean their quality of life is horrible the entire time they are alive. Whether they live for days or months or years, FeLV+ cats and kittens can have fun, be crazy, play like there is no tomorrow and give tons of love. Testing kittens for FeLV can be troublesome, especially if they've been exposed to the virus. I work with several different rescues in the Los Angeles area and also have a FeLV+ cat and have had them in the past. Most rescues and vets will recommend testing the kittens once they have reached six months of age OR have been separated from an FeLV carrier for six months. False positives happen more frequently in kittens under 6 months of age so that is why they suggest testing when they hit the six month mark. As far as their chances of having FeLV, no one can say with certainty or give you probabilities. Some kittens get it while others don't. For instance, I've had a kitten that was rescued from a hoarder. This kitten was around three other litters for two months and around the mama cats. The kitten I brought home was FeLV+ but no other kittens ever tested positive nor did their mamas. As you can see, FeLV is a real crapshoot. I apologize I can't give you a more definitive answer. Most importantly, and I cannot stress this enough, is how important fostering is. I know your current experience is rough and you may feel you are not up to it. Whether these kittens end up with FeLV or not, your fostering them most likely saved their lives. Even if their lives are cut short by a FeLV related illness, they knew love and care and that is the most important part of fostering; every animal deserves to know love and safety and somebody has to love those FeLV kitties! Hopefully, they stay negative, find great homes and you choose to keep fostering. Once again, thanks for fostering. Best, -Amanda On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 1:14 PM, Deborah Adams auntiede...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi all,** http://us-mg6.mail.yahoo.com/neo/# I'm a new member of this group hoping to better understand FeLv and the situation that I'm in. Last month, I decided to foster kittens for my local humane society as a summer project with my 2 girls (age 7 and 10 years). We were given a momma cat and her 3 kittens who were about 4-5 weeks old, found as strays. All were initially tested for FeLv and came back negative (I don't know which test HS used.) After helping momma wean her kittens, I returned her to the shelter this past weekend. Yesterday she was retested for FeLV before her spay surgery and was positive. (HS checked both her blood and serum.) Today, I took the kittens back to HS for testing and they are negative for FeLV. I agreed to continue fostering them for 30 days and then they will be retested. How much hope do these kittens have? Is there any chance that they will continue to be negative for FeLV? I'm so stressed about all this. My kids are heart-broken. I feel like everything is going all wrong. First, they all got URI and one kitten got a persistent eye infection that took three different antibiotics until it finally cleared up. But her eye is all clouded over and she is probably blind in that eye. And now this FeLV scare. I don't know if I can handle fostering. Deborah Adams ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- There is much pleasure to be gained from useless knowledge Bertrand Russell ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hi Marta, Unfortuntely euthanasia is the best option in some cases. For example if the cat who tested positive is a shelter cat. However there are several of us on this list who have FelV sanctuaries, and I am one of them. I have lost many kittens who has FelV pos. mothers but my older FelV cats often live symptom free for many years. For example I have two FelV + cats who are 5 years old. Lorrie in WV On 05-10, Marta Gasper wrote: Hello, my name is Marta Gasper. I'm Homeless No More cat rescue director in Fairbury, Nebraska. One of my foster cats tested FeLV+ on the SNAP and a few months ago also positive on the IFA so he became our cat after he developed some disorders that'd make him hard to adopt. Previously we had a cat pulled from a hoarding situation who also was FeLV+ and some time before he succumbed one of our foster kittens tested leuk +._ Our vet concluded he would have been infected when younger, he was tested after his uris kept returning; although we are no-kill and try to give them the best hospice care sometimes euthanasia is the best option. Back to Arlo, our former foster, he's been doing fairly well so other than being isolated he had no treatment. Last week almost overnight stopped eating and bled from his nose, also gagged on and off, making gargling, squishy noises. His mouth smells very bad, vet examined and said it looked good, mild gingivitis only, he guessed the odor would be from further lesions/masses down his throath._ In a few days and coincidentally he's developed bald spots that bleed and dark spots on his fur. Vet said those were bacterial and fungal infections. Right now he's on Clavamox and metacam and is starting to eat again, I suggested interferon_we did have a FIV+ with stomatitis and other problems that made a remarkable comeback on it_and he agreed to administer it though because Arlo has all these symptoms and because he knows we're on a limited budget he talked about considering the euthanasia alternative as Arlo won't get better. I understand but if there's a way to make him better I'd try it, don't know how much Interferon is right now etc. Question; I've read that some treatments don't work or are not used if the cat is past the second stage and/or has lymphoma. I don't know if and what cancer he has but he's defintely on 2nd stage..should I even try other treatments? And another question; we have a nebulizer, can we use it with Arlo, what treatments if so? Thank-you and thank-you for this list Marta ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hello, my name is Marta Gasper. I'm Homeless No More cat rescue director in Fairbury, Nebraska. One of my foster cats tested FeLV+ on the SNAP and a few months ago also positive on the IFA so he became our cat after he developed some disorders that'd make him hard to adopt. Previously we had a cat pulled from a hoarding situation who also was FeLV+ and some time before he succumbed one of our foster kittens tested leuk +._ Our vet concluded he would have been infected when younger, he was tested after his uris kept returning; although we are no-kill and try to give them the best hospice care sometimes euthanasia is the best option. Back to Arlo, our former foster, he's been doing fairly well so other than being isolated he had no treatment. Last week almost overnight stopped eating and bled from his nose, also gagged on and off, making gargling, squishy noises. His mouth smells very bad, vet examined and said it looked good, mild gingivitis only, he guessed the odor would be from further lesions/masses down his throath._ In a few days and coincidentally he's developed bald spots that bleed and dark spots on his fur. Vet said those were bacterial and fungal infections. Right now he's on Clavamox and metacam and is starting to eat again, I suggested interferon_we did have a FIV+ with stomatitis and other problems that made a remarkable comeback on it_and he agreed to administer it though because Arlo has all these symptoms and because he knows we're on a limited budget he talked about considering the euthanasia alternative as Arlo won't get better. I understand but if there's a way to make him better I'd try it, don't know how much Interferon is right now etc. Question; I've read that some treatments don't work or are not used if the cat is past the second stage and/or has lymphoma. I don't know if and what cancer he has but he's defintely on 2nd stage..should I even try other treatments? And another question; we have a nebulizer, can we use it with Arlo, what treatments if so? Thank-you and thank-you for this list Marta___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Sorry about all your problems with poor Arlo. Along with the vet's recommendations you might want to try L-lysine, which is an immune system stimulant, especially for fighting herpes virus. Good luck with Arlo. You're doing the best you can. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Marta Gasper gasper.ma...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, May 10, 2013 9:59 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] New member from Nebraska Hello, my name is Marta Gasper. I'm Homeless No More cat rescue director in Fairbury, Nebraska. One of my foster cats tested FeLV+ on the SNAP and a few months ago also positive on the IFA so he became our cat after he developed some disorders that'd make him hard to adopt. Previously we had a cat pulled from a hoarding situation who also was FeLV+ and some time before he succumbed one of our foster kittens tested leuk +._ Our vet concluded he would have been infected when younger, he was tested after his uris kept returning; although we are no-kill and try to give them the best hospice care sometimes euthanasia is the best option. Back to Arlo, our former foster, he's been doing fairly well so other than being isolated he had no treatment. Last week almost overnight stopped eating and bled from his nose, also gagged on and off, making gargling, squishy noises. His mouth smells very bad, vet examined and said it looked good, mild gingivitis only, he guessed the odor would be from further lesions/masses down his throath._ In a few days and coincidentally he's developed bald spots that bleed and dark spots on his fur. Vet said those were bacterial and fungal infections. Right now he's on Clavamox and metacam and is starting to eat again, I suggested interferon_we did have a FIV+ with stomatitis and other problems that made a remarkable comeback on it_and he agreed to administer it though because Arlo has all these symptoms and because he knows we're on a limited budget he talked about considering the euthanasia alternative as Arlo won't get better. I understand but if there's a way to make him better I'd try it, don't know how much Interferon is right now etc. Question; I've read that some treatments don't work or are not used if the cat is past the second stage and/or has lymphoma. I don't know if and what cancer he has but he's defintely on 2nd stage..should I even try other treatments? And another question; we have a nebulizer, can we use it with Arlo, what treatments if so? Thank-you and thank-you for this list Marta ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hi Marta, Thanks for everything that you do for all of those cats, including Arlo. I'm not aware of any specific recommendation that treatments be discontinued or not applied at any certain stage of infection or progress. However, I'm not an expert or veterinarian. I have given my FeLV+ girl Transfer Factor and Liquid DMG fairly regularly. She has also been on interferon (five days on/five days off protocol) ever since she tested positive. All three are supposed to help boost or modulate the immune system. Interferon is the only thing I give that requires a prescription. I have no info on nebulizers. I'd forgotten about them until tonight. Had to Google to be reminded. Best wishes for you and Arlo, Lance On May 10, 2013, at 9:59 PM, Marta Gasper gasper.ma...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello, my name is Marta Gasper. I'm Homeless No More cat rescue director in Fairbury, Nebraska. One of my foster cats tested FeLV+ on the SNAP and a few months ago also positive on the IFA so he became our cat after he developed some disorders that'd make him hard to adopt. Previously we had a cat pulled from a hoarding situation who also was FeLV+ and some time before he succumbed one of our foster kittens tested leuk +._ Our vet concluded he would have been infected when younger, he was tested after his uris kept returning; although we are no-kill and try to give them the best hospice care sometimes euthanasia is the best option. Back to Arlo, our former foster, he's been doing fairly well so other than being isolated he had no treatment. Last week almost overnight stopped eating and bled from his nose, also gagged on and off, making gargling, squishy noises. His mouth smells very bad, vet examined and said it looked good, mild gingivitis only, he guessed the odor would be from further lesions/masses down his throath._ In a few days and coincidentally he's developed bald spots that bleed and dark spots on his fur. Vet said those were bacterial and fungal infections. Right now he's on Clavamox and metacam and is starting to eat again, I suggested interferon_we did have a FIV+ with stomatitis and other problems that made a remarkable comeback on it_and he agreed to administer it though because Arlo has all these symptoms and because he knows we're on a limited budget he talked about considering the euthanasia alternative as Arlo won't get better. I understand but if there's a way to make him better I'd try it, don't know how much Interferon is right now etc. Question; I've read that some treatments don't work or are not used if the cat is past the second stage and/or has lymphoma. I don't know if and what cancer he has but he's defintely on 2nd stage..should I even try other treatments? And another question; we have a nebulizer, can we use it with Arlo, what treatments if so? Thank-you and thank-you for this list Marta ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Dear Marta, While searching for possible treatments, you may want to at least consider stopping using Metacam: http://www.fda.gov/AnimalVeterinary/NewsEvents/CVMUpdates/ucm231254.htm I personally know several cats died because of Metacam before other diseases take them. There are some alternative pain medications that your vet should be able to provide you with. with my best, Catherine On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 10:59 PM, Marta Gasper gasper.ma...@yahoo.comwrote: Hello, my name is Marta Gasper. I'm Homeless No More cat rescue director in Fairbury, Nebraska. One of my foster cats tested FeLV+ on the SNAP and a few months ago also positive on the IFA so he became our cat after he developed some disorders that'd make him hard to adopt. Previously we had a cat pulled from a hoarding situation who also was FeLV+ and some time before he succumbed one of our foster kittens tested leuk +._ Our vet concluded he would have been infected when younger, he was tested after his uris kept returning; although we are no-kill and try to give them the best hospice care sometimes euthanasia is the best option. Back to Arlo, our former foster, he's been doing fairly well so other than being isolated he had no treatment. Last week almost overnight stopped eating and bled from his nose, also gagged on and off, making gargling, squishy noises. His mouth smells very bad, vet examined and said it looked good, mild gingivitis only, he guessed the odor would be from further lesions/masses down his throath._ In a few days and coincidentally he's developed bald spots that bleed and dark spots on his fur. Vet said those were bacterial and fungal infections. Right now he's on Clavamox and metacam and is starting to eat again, I suggested interferon_we did have a FIV+ with stomatitis and other problems that made a remarkable comeback on it_and he agreed to administer it though because Arlo has all these symptoms and because he knows we're on a limited budget he talked about considering the euthanasia alternative as Arlo won't get better. I understand but if there's a way to make him better I'd try it, don't know how much Interferon is right now etc. Question; I've read that some treatments don't work or are not used if the cat is past the second stage and/or has lymphoma. I don't know if and what cancer he has but he's defintely on 2nd stage..should I even try other treatments? And another question; we have a nebulizer, can we use it with Arlo, what treatments if so? Thank-you and thank-you for this list Marta ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hi all. My name is MaryAnn Riggs in southeastern Wisconsin. I've been reading comments for sometime, just haven't introduced myself yet. Is there anyone on this list from Wisconsin? thanks-mar ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Welcome to the group, MaryAnn. You'll find a lot of knowledgable people here. Tell us about your cats. Lorrie in WV On 01-09, MaryAnn Riggs wrote: Hi all. My name is MaryAnn Riggs in southeastern Wisconsin. I've been reading comments for sometime, just haven't introduced myself yet. Is there anyone on this list from Wisconsin? thanks-mar ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Boy, am I glad to find this website and group. I think my kitty, Buster (15 yo, neutered male), has FeLV. He stopped eating about 2 1/2 years ago. I took him to the vet who was unable to diagnose what was wrong with Buster, even after several visits. I was unable to get an ultrasound, which she said was the next step. She decided, with the information that she had, that Buster had cholangiohepatitis. Vet put him on 5 mg prednisolone and Cyroheptadine (appetite stimulant) After trying to wean him off, unsuccessfully, he had been on these drugs for 2 years. Yesterday, I was speaking to a (different) vet on the phone, and when I described Buster she said she thought FeLV. She said if he had a liver disease, I would see jaundice. Buster does have a number of clinical signs: little appetite, slow but extreme weight loss, minor stomatitis, poor coat, occasional eye problems. No fever, no wounds, no diarrhea. In 2009, Buster's last blood test (which was fine), he had the ELISA test which was negative. I forgot to mention that Buster did not get sick until I brought an 11 year old rescue into the home. All of my cats (3) are indoor only I guess my question, after this very long explanation (sorry), is are there any cats being treated only with prednisolone? I am not able to take Buster to the vet due to a number of reasons. After almost 3 years, he has taken a big turn for the worse. Usually, rebounds (with syringe feeding), but I don't think so, this time Thank you so much debbie buster 57 Year Old Mom Looks 27 Mom Reveals $3 Wrinkle Trick Angering Doctors... http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4ec3dc1abe4f10ffeest01duc ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Debbie - There is no way to tell is he has FeLV without a blood test.Was the 11 year old cat tested for FeLV? Just wondering how he would have gotten it if his previous test were negative, though it can take 3 months for the bloodwork to show a positive test. Prednisone depresses the immune system should only be used in conjunction with a specific medical diagnosis. Are his gums pink? He may be suffering from anemia. Is the stomatitis so bad he cannot eat? Was the Pred given to him for the Stomatitis? Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: danbin...@netzero.com danbin...@netzero.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 10:50 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] new member Boy, am I glad to find this website and group. I think my kitty, Buster (15 yo, neutered male), has FeLV. He stopped eating about 2 1/2 years ago. I took him to the vet who was unable to diagnose what was wrong with Buster, even after several visits. I was unable to get an ultrasound, which she said was the next step. She decided, with the information that she had, that Buster had cholangiohepatitis. Vet put him on 5 mg prednisolone and Cyroheptadine (appetite stimulant) After trying to wean him off, unsuccessfully, he had been on these drugs for 2 years. Yesterday, I was speaking to a (different) vet on the phone, and when I described Buster she said she thought FeLV. She said if he had a liver disease, I would see jaundice. Buster does have a number of clinical signs: little appetite, slow but extreme weight loss, minor stomatitis, poor coat, occasional eye problems. No fever, no wounds, no diarrhea. In 2009, Buster's last blood test (which was fine), he had the ELISA test which was negative. I forgot to mention that Buster did not get sick until I brought an 11 year old rescue into the home. All of my cats (3) are indoor only I guess my question, after this very long explanation (sorry), is are there any cats being treated only with prednisolone? I am not able to take Buster to the vet due to a number of reasons. After almost 3 years, he has taken a big turn for the worse. Usually, rebounds (with syringe feeding), but I don't think so, this time Thank you so much debbie buster 57 Year Old Mom Looks 27 Mom Reveals $3 Wrinkle Trick Angering Doctors... http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4ec3dc1abe4f10ffeest01duc ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Debbie Welcome to the group_albeit circumstances but thats how most of us got here_I agree with Beth. The symptoms you describe could be a number of diseases. No way to tell for sure if he has FeLV until he's been tested with a definitive test like an IFA, though in his case and given his age I'd say his former negative result is what it is. I wonder why the vet thought it could be FeLV, specially since he has no diarrea/soft stools, blood disorders(wich show as blodd in stool). I wouldn't give him pred unless it is just supportve care, it suppreses the inmune system, the last thing any cat needs. However if he has stomatitis I would. I've had and have FeLV+s cats. The one I've now is close to last stages, he's playful and animated but has a chronic URI, soft stools and bloody diahrrea, thrifty coat, sometimes he staggers, keeps getting sores, sneezes blood sometimes, that is because can't coagulate well, eats like a horse and hasn't gained an ounce. Well he has lately but my other cats would be basketballs if they ate like he does. Besides he tested twice + on the ELISA and comes from a household where most cats were FeLV+. A hoarding situation, very sad but at least he has a better life now tho very limited. Anyways I'd run a test first, to me I wouldn't jump to conclusions, stomatitis or other disorder sure could be. Don't put him on pred(steroids or glucocorticoids. M http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ --- On Wed, 11/16/11, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] new member To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, November 16, 2011, 5:06 PM Debbie - There is no way to tell is he has FeLV without a blood test.Was the 11 year old cat tested for FeLV? Just wondering how he would have gotten it if his previous test were negative, though it can take 3 months for the bloodwork to show a positive test. Prednisone depresses the immune system should only be used in conjunction with a specific medical diagnosis. Are his gums pink? He may be suffering from anemia. Is the stomatitis so bad he cannot eat? Was the Pred given to him for the Stomatitis? Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: danbin...@netzero.com danbin...@netzero.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 10:50 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] new member Boy, am I glad to find this website and group. I think my kitty, Buster (15 yo, neutered male), has FeLV. He stopped eating about 2 1/2 years ago. I took him to the vet who was unable to diagnose what was wrong with Buster, even after several visits. I was unable to get an ultrasound, which she said was the next step. She decided, with the information that she had, that Buster had cholangiohepatitis. Vet put him on 5 mg prednisolone and Cyroheptadine (appetite stimulant) After trying to wean him off, unsuccessfully, he had been on these drugs for 2 years. Yesterday, I was speaking to a (different) vet on the phone, and when I described Buster she said she thought FeLV. She said if he had a liver disease, I would see jaundice. Buster does have a number of clinical signs: little appetite, slow but extreme weight loss, minor stomatitis, poor coat, occasional eye problems. No fever, no wounds, no diarrhea. In 2009, Buster's last blood test (which was fine), he had the ELISA test which was negative. I forgot to mention that Buster did not get sick until I brought an 11 year old rescue into the home. All of my cats (3) are indoor only I guess my question, after this very long explanation (sorry), is are there any cats being treated only with prednisolone? I am not able to take Buster to the vet due to a number of reasons. After almost 3 years, he has taken a big turn for the worse. Usually, rebounds (with syringe feeding), but I don't think so, this time Thank you so much debbie buster 57 Year Old Mom Looks 27 Mom Reveals $3 Wrinkle Trick Angering Doctors... http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4ec3dc1abe4f10ffeest01duc ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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A lot of vets think Stomatitis = FeLV, so that may be why she said she thought he had it. Only one of my FeLV cats ever got Stomatitis I had a negative cat that did have it. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Marta Gasper marta.gas...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] new member Debbie Welcome to the group_albeit circumstances but thats how most of us got here_I agree with Beth. The symptoms you describe could be a number of diseases. No way to tell for sure if he has FeLV until he's been tested with a definitive test like an IFA, though in his case and given his age I'd say his former negative result is what it is. I wonder why the vet thought it could be FeLV, specially since he has no diarrea/soft stools, blood disorders(wich show as blodd in stool). I wouldn't give him pred unless it is just supportve care, it suppreses the inmune system, the last thing any cat needs. However if he has stomatitis I would. I've had and have FeLV+s cats. The one I've now is close to last stages, he's playful and animated but has a chronic URI, soft stools and bloody diahrrea, thrifty coat, sometimes he staggers, keeps getting sores, sneezes blood sometimes, that is because can't coagulate well, eats like a horse and hasn't gained an ounce. Well he has lately but my other cats would be basketballs if they ate like he does. Besides he tested twice + on the ELISA and comes from a household where most cats were FeLV+. A hoarding situation, very sad but at least he has a better life now tho very limited. Anyways I'd run a test first, to me I wouldn't jump to conclusions, stomatitis or other disorder sure could be. Don't put him on pred(steroids or glucocorticoids. M http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ --- On Wed, 11/16/11, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] new member To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, November 16, 2011, 5:06 PM Debbie - There is no way to tell is he has FeLV without a blood test.Was the 11 year old cat tested for FeLV? Just wondering how he would have gotten it if his previous test were negative, though it can take 3 months for the bloodwork to show a positive test. Prednisone depresses the immune system should only be used in conjunction with a specific medical diagnosis. Are his gums pink? He may be suffering from anemia. Is the stomatitis so bad he cannot eat? Was the Pred given to him for the Stomatitis? Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: danbin...@netzero.com danbin...@netzero.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 10:50 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] new member Boy, am I glad to find this website and group. I think my kitty, Buster (15 yo, neutered male), has FeLV. He stopped eating about 2 1/2 years ago. I took him to the vet who was unable to diagnose what was wrong with Buster, even after several visits. I was unable to get an ultrasound, which she said was the next step. She decided, with the information that she had, that Buster had cholangiohepatitis. Vet put him on 5 mg prednisolone and Cyroheptadine (appetite stimulant) After trying to wean him off, unsuccessfully, he had been on these drugs for 2 years. Yesterday, I was speaking to a (different) vet on the phone, and when I described Buster she said she thought FeLV. She said if he had a liver disease, I would see jaundice. Buster does have a number of clinical signs: little appetite, slow but extreme weight loss, minor stomatitis, poor coat, occasional eye problems. No fever, no wounds, no diarrhea. In 2009, Buster's last blood test (which was fine), he had the ELISA test which was negative. I forgot to mention that Buster did not get sick until I brought an 11 year old rescue into the home. All of my cats (3) are indoor only I guess my question, after this very long explanation (sorry), is are there any cats being treated only with prednisolone? I am not able to take Buster to the vet due to a number of reasons. After almost 3 years, he has taken a big turn for the worse. Usually, rebounds (with syringe feeding), but I don't think so, this time Thank you so much debbie buster 57 Year Old Mom Looks 27 Mom Reveals $3 Wrinkle Trick Angering Doctors... http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4ec3dc1abe4f10ffeest01duc ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo
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Hi, everyone..I am in Mexico, and therefore not on the computer as often as at home. Re: prednisone - Sox, one of our five FIV+ cats, has severe stomatitis; he gets a prednisone injection about every three months; he also gets a few drops of DMG in his food every day. The vet says that he's doing really well, because normally cats would get a monthly injection. Sox sometimes exceeds the three months..once we notice that his stomatitis is bothering him (he won't eat), he gets another shot of prednisone. They all get CoQ10 to keep their gums in good shape (about 30-50mg daily), GNC Vegetarian formula because it comes in powder from in capsules, easy to mix into the food. I get 100mg caps, and divide them up. Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marta Gasper Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 12:58 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] new member Debbie Welcome to the group_albeit circumstances but thats how most of us got here_I agree with Beth. The symptoms you describe could be a number of diseases. No way to tell for sure if he has FeLV until he's been tested with a definitive test like an IFA, though in his case and given his age I'd say his former negative result is what it is. I wonder why the vet thought it could be FeLV, specially since he has no diarrea/soft stools, blood disorders(wich show as blodd in stool). I wouldn't give him pred unless it is just supportve care, it suppreses the inmune system, the last thing any cat needs. However if he has stomatitis I would. I've had and have FeLV+s cats. The one I've now is close to last stages, he's playful and animated but has a chronic URI, soft stools and bloody diahrrea, thrifty coat, sometimes he staggers, keeps getting sores, sneezes blood sometimes, that is because can't coagulate well, eats like a horse and hasn't gained an ounce. Well he has lately but my other cats would be basketballs if they ate like he does. Besides he tested twice + on the ELISA and comes from a household where most cats were FeLV+. A hoarding situation, very sad but at least he has a better life now tho very limited. Anyways I'd run a test first, to me I wouldn't jump to conclusions, stomatitis or other disorder sure could be. Don't put him on pred(steroids or glucocorticoids. M http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ --- On Wed, 11/16/11, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] new member To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, November 16, 2011, 5:06 PM Debbie - There is no way to tell is he has FeLV without a blood test.Was the 11 year old cat tested for FeLV? Just wondering how he would have gotten it if his previous test were negative, though it can take 3 months for the bloodwork to show a positive test. Prednisone depresses the immune system should only be used in conjunction with a specific medical diagnosis. Are his gums pink? He may be suffering from anemia. Is the stomatitis so bad he cannot eat? Was the Pred given to him for the Stomatitis? Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter!Description: Image removed by sender. www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/ _ From: danbin...@netzero.com danbin...@netzero.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 10:50 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] new member Boy, am I glad to find this website and group. I think my kitty, Buster (15 yo, neutered male), has FeLV. He stopped eating about 2 1/2 years ago. I took him to the vet who was unable to diagnose what was wrong with Buster, even after several visits. I was unable to get an ultrasound, which she said was the next step. She decided, with the information that she had, that Buster had cholangiohepatitis. Vet put him on 5 mg prednisolone and Cyroheptadine (appetite stimulant) After trying to wean him off, unsuccessfully, he had been on these drugs for 2 years. Yesterday, I was speaking to a (different) vet on the phone, and when I described Buster she said she thought FeLV. She said if he had a liver disease, I would see jaundice. Buster does have a number of clinical signs: little appetite, slow but extreme weight loss, minor stomatitis, poor coat, occasional eye problems. No fever, no wounds, no diarrhea. In 2009, Buster's last blood test (which was fine), he had the ELISA test which was negative. I forgot to mention that Buster did not get sick until I brought an 11 year old rescue into the home. All of my cats (3) are indoor only I guess my question, after this very long explanation (sorry), is are there any cats being treated only with prednisolone? I am not able to take Buster to the vet due to a number of reasons. After almost 3 years, he has taken a big turn for the worse. Usually, rebounds (with syringe feeding), but I don't think so, this time Thank you so much
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If no blood tests were taken, then there's no way the vet can tell what's wrong with Buster. At his age, he could have renal failure and /or hyperthyroidism, treatable. If it's his thyroid, I just found out that Felimazole can be gotten from Drs. Foster Smith very inexpensively; Tapazole and Methimazole are a lot more expensive anywhere else. There's no reason to do an ultrasound if no blood tests were taken to determine and to rule out anything. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of danbin...@netzero.com Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 10:51 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] new member Boy, am I glad to find this website and group. I think my kitty, Buster (15 yo, neutered male), has FeLV. He stopped eating about 2 1/2 years ago. I took him to the vet who was unable to diagnose what was wrong with Buster, even after several visits. I was unable to get an ultrasound, which she said was the next step. She decided, with the information that she had, that Buster had cholangiohepatitis. Vet put him on 5 mg prednisolone and Cyroheptadine (appetite stimulant) After trying to wean him off, unsuccessfully, he had been on these drugs for 2 years. Yesterday, I was speaking to a (different) vet on the phone, and when I described Buster she said she thought FeLV. She said if he had a liver disease, I would see jaundice. Buster does have a number of clinical signs: little appetite, slow but extreme weight loss, minor stomatitis, poor coat, occasional eye problems. No fever, no wounds, no diarrhea. In 2009, Buster's last blood test (which was fine), he had the ELISA test which was negative. I forgot to mention that Buster did not get sick until I brought an 11 year old rescue into the home. All of my cats (3) are indoor only I guess my question, after this very long explanation (sorry), is are there any cats being treated only with prednisolone? I am not able to take Buster to the vet due to a number of reasons. After almost 3 years, he has taken a big turn for the worse. Usually, rebounds (with syringe feeding), but I don't think so, this time Thank you so much debbie buster 57 Year Old Mom Looks 27 Mom Reveals $3 Wrinkle Trick Angering Doctors... http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4ec3dc1abe4f10ffeest01duc ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Many on this group usseother meds and ntural remdies for felv. I don't like predesone, had it during my cancer and it messes everything up. My felv's are in great shape, so are my negatives. I will pray for you and Buster and leave the advise up to th others who have dealt with this mjore. danbin...@netzero.com danbin...@netzero.com wrote: Boy, am I glad to find this website and group. I think my kitty, Buster (15 yo, neutered male), has FeLV. He stopped eating about 2 1/2 years ago. I took him to the vet who was unable to diagnose what was wrong with Buster, even after several visits. I was unable to get an ultrasound, which she said was the next step. She decided, with the information that she had, that Buster had cholangiohepatitis. Vet put him on 5 mg prednisolone and Cyroheptadine (appetite stimulant) After trying to wean him off, unsuccessfully, he had been on these drugs for 2 years. Yesterday, I was speaking to a (different) vet on the phone, and when I described Buster she said she thought FeLV. She said if he had a liver disease, I would see jaundice. Buster does have a number of clinical signs: little appetite, slow but extreme weight loss, minor stomatitis, poor coat, occasional eye problems. No fever, no wounds, no diarrhea. In 2009, Buster's last blood test (which was fine), he had the ELISA test which was negative. I forgot to mention that Buster did not get sick until I brought an 11 year old rescue into the home. All of my cats (3) are indoor only I guess my question, after this very long explanation (sorry), is are there any cats being treated only with prednisolone? I am not able to take Buster to the vet due to a number of reasons. After almost 3 years, he has taken a big turn for the worse. Usually, rebounds (with syringe feeding), but I don't think so, this time Thank you so much debbie buster 57 Year Old Mom Looks 27 Mom Reveals $3 Wrinkle Trick Angering Doctors... http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4ec3dc1abe4f10ffeest01duc ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Give your rowdy little boy a chance. He sounds like my Harley, if there is trouble to get into, he does it. I have 2 positives, Annie 4 years and Nitnoy we are not sure, maybe 3. They are healthy, happy and loving cats. Would not gie them up for anything. Harley likes to help me on the computer. He sas help, I say different. Give him years of happiness and he will give you so much more back. Anne Myles anne.my...@uni.edu wrote: Hi, wanted to introduce myself and my cats. I adopted two new adult kitties from a rural no-kill shelter in my area a little over a month ago, after my 15-year-old cat passed away. Little orange Dublin and hunky white and tabby C.J. are both about two years old males -- Dublin more of an estimate since he was found as an adult at a TNR station covered in oil on St. Patrick's Day (C.J. was in rescue since he was about five months old). I adopted them both as being FeLV negative, though I'd found out that Dublin had initially had a positive ELISA, then a negative when he was retested after six weeks in quarantine. The woman who runs the rescue swore to me (as her vet told her) that false negatives are common but false positives are not. Well, so much for that; I know better now. I had them retested after three days at my house, because I learned that Dublin had had ten teeth removed at a dental a few days before he came home and my vet's office said that such bad teeth at a young age was a common sign of FeLV. And yup, Dublin's third ELISA was a strong positive, as was a follow-up IFA. C.J. tested negative, and got his first Purevax vaccination that day, followed by the booster two weeks later. I agonized for a few days about sending Dublin back to the rescue, where he'd go to a FeLV+ cat sanctuary, but he is such a special, amazingly sweet cat (gives hugs and kisses, just amazingly social) and was so thrilled with me and my home and is absolutely crazily besotted with my greyhound! I couldn't break his little heart. So I've kept him, and he and C.J. (also a wonderful, loving boy) mix, since C.J. was already exposed to him at the rescue (along with most of their other cats!!). I am really heartened by what I've read in the archives about how many of you have mixed cats without the negative ones converting. I manage to keep their food separate and change their water and scoop their litter twice a day, but these guys play and wrestle a lot, which is nervous-making. Except for the bad teeth, Dublin seems really healthy. He did have a bad case of chin acne when he came, but it's healed up really well. He eats voraciously and has gained some weight, has a lovely silky coat, and is becoming quite a rowdy little troublemaker too, always pouncing on C.J.'s tail (he never played at the rescue). It's not unreasonable to hope he might have a few good years, is it (though I know there's no way to predict)? I've also seen mention of various supplements you give, and I wish someone could give me a lowdown on what you essentially recommend (that is reasonably affordable) and exactly how you dose it. Lots of pictures of the cats here if you want to see them: http://s511.photobucket.com/albums/s357/PrairieProf/New%20cats/ Anne ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hi, wanted to introduce myself and my cats. I adopted two new adult kitties from a rural no-kill shelter in my area a little over a month ago, after my 15-year-old cat passed away. Little orange Dublin and hunky white and tabby C.J. are both about two years old males -- Dublin more of an estimate since he was found as an adult at a TNR station covered in oil on St. Patrick's Day (C.J. was in rescue since he was about five months old). I adopted them both as being FeLV negative, though I'd found out that Dublin had initially had a positive ELISA, then a negative when he was retested after six weeks in quarantine. The woman who runs the rescue swore to me (as her vet told her) that false negatives are common but false positives are not. Well, so much for that; I know better now. I had them retested after three days at my house, because I learned that Dublin had had ten teeth removed at a dental a few days before he came home and my vet's office said that such bad teeth at a young age was a common sign of FeLV. And yup, Dublin's third ELISA was a strong positive, as was a follow-up IFA. C.J. tested negative, and got his first Purevax vaccination that day, followed by the booster two weeks later. I agonized for a few days about sending Dublin back to the rescue, where he'd go to a FeLV+ cat sanctuary, but he is such a special, amazingly sweet cat (gives hugs and kisses, just amazingly social) and was so thrilled with me and my home and is absolutely crazily besotted with my greyhound! I couldn't break his little heart. So I've kept him, and he and C.J. (also a wonderful, loving boy) mix, since C.J. was already exposed to him at the rescue (along with most of their other cats!!). I am really heartened by what I've read in the archives about how many of you have mixed cats without the negative ones converting. I manage to keep their food separate and change their water and scoop their litter twice a day, but these guys play and wrestle a lot, which is nervous-making. Except for the bad teeth, Dublin seems really healthy. He did have a bad case of chin acne when he came, but it's healed up really well. He eats voraciously and has gained some weight, has a lovely silky coat, and is becoming quite a rowdy little troublemaker too, always pouncing on C.J.'s tail (he never played at the rescue). It's not unreasonable to hope he might have a few good years, is it (though I know there's no way to predict)? I've also seen mention of various supplements you give, and I wish someone could give me a lowdown on what you essentially recommend (that is reasonably affordable) and exactly how you dose it. Lots of pictures of the cats here if you want to see them: http://s511.photobucket.com/albums/s357/PrairieProf/New%20cats/ Anne ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I meant to write, of course, that I was told that false POSITIVES are common but false negatives are virtually unheard of. My vet kind of shrugged when I told him that, though no one can give me a good account of why Dublin had a negative ELISA on his re-test when he is very clearly positive. Anyway, he's a lucky, lucky little kitty, as that false negative landed him in a home. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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They are both so cute and look quite at home in your house. I'm glad you decided to keep both. I have 2 positives (may have caused the second by mixing too young too soon:( However, I have no regrets because they are best friends! Even though one has suffered from lymphoma (in remission for 15 months) the other has been asymptomatic and both are happy and relatively healthy.Good luck to you and your new family!On Nov 02, 2011, at 06:41 AM, Anne Myles anne.my...@uni.edu wrote:I meant to write, of course, that I was told that false POSITIVES are common but false negatives are virtually unheard of. My vet kind of shrugged when I told him that, though no one can give me a good account of why Dublin had a negative ELISA on his re-test when he is very clearly positive. Anyway, he's a lucky, lucky little kitty, as that false negative landed him in a home. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hi Anne, Welcome to the group. I love the pictures of Dublin with your greyhound! It's been a little while since I've had a positive, he was infected as a young kitten, lived for 3.5 years (with his still negative siblings) before he passed. If your guy was a little older when he was infected, he may have a better chance of living longer than that. A few people on this list have had positives that made it to 8 years old or more. The only supplements I used were daily L-lysine (powdered, from iHerb), and interpheron alpha (part of the time). And when he was initially diagnosed because of a recurring high fever, my vet put him on Clavamox and we left him on it for several months. This goes against the standard advice to avoid long-term antibiotic use because it kills the good bacteria in the gut. He never had any digestive problems. I think that the standard 7-10 antibiotic protocol is just not long enough for immune-compromised kitties. Anyway, you'll get lots of good advice from some of the more experienced folks here. Enjoy those two beautiful, lucky boys! Beth (+angel Will Feral) . On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 5:37 PM, Anne Myles anne.my...@uni.edu wrote: Hi, wanted to introduce myself and my cats. I adopted two new adult kitties from a rural no-kill shelter in my area a little over a month ago, after my 15-year-old cat passed away. Little orange Dublin and hunky white and tabby C.J. are both about two years old ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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They are gorgeous cats--very very lucky to have found you! I've have my Tucson, a 12 year old FELV+ cat who I've had since she was a kitten. She tested neg on Elissa when she was a couple of months old but then tested pos 4 years later though she'd never been outside. My other cats who she lived with for years all tested neg. I got them vaccinated everyone's OK. I had another pos, my Romeo, a wonderful stray that I brought in from the street after feeding him outside for a couple of years. He died last year from lymphoma after having been inside for 6 years. Our best guess is that he was around 9 or 10 years old. Tucson is a bit of a porko I don't push too hard on keeping her weight down. Her only felv issues have been a couple of bouts of very low white blood cell count. I spotted a problem when she wouldn't eat for more than a day. Vet used immune regulin injections it seemed to bring her blood levels back up. She's had some dental issues as well but overall, is in generally good health. I feed all of them Wellness canned with a bit of dry for late night snack. I found by cutting back on the dry, it helped with their weight--always an issue for lazy, pampered indoor cats! LOL I give her a B Vitamin Complex as supplement they get cosequin as they get older. I am quicker to take her to vet if she looks a bit peaked--she lets you know if she doesn't feel well. She's had urinary tract infection, tore out a nail, got herself bitten when she really pushed one of the other cat's buttons, and on and on. Though they each have their own dishes, they play let's swap all the time. They share litter boxes, toys, etc. and groom each other. Romeo was not sick a day in his life until the week before he died. The lymphoma was in his chest very fast acting. Because of his overall health, I regret not having realized that he had more than a simple URI waited an extra couple of days to take him to vet. Wouldn't have made a difference but he was in a lot of discomfort those last couple of days. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Anne Myles Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 5:38 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Hi, new member here Hi, wanted to introduce myself and my cats. I adopted two new adult kitties from a rural no-kill shelter in my area a little over a month ago, after my 15-year-old cat passed away. Little orange Dublin and hunky white and tabby C.J. are both about two years old males -- Dublin more of an estimate since he was found as an adult at a TNR station covered in oil on St. Patrick's Day (C.J. was in rescue since he was about five months old). I adopted them both as being FeLV negative, though I'd found out that Dublin had initially had a positive ELISA, then a negative when he was retested after six weeks in quarantine. The woman who runs the rescue swore to me (as her vet told her) that false negatives are common but false positives are not. Well, so much for that; I know better now. I had them retested after three days at my house, because I learned that Dublin had had ten teeth removed at a dental a few days before he came home and my vet's office said that such bad teeth at a young age was a common sign of FeLV. And yup, Dublin's third ELISA was a strong positive, as was a follow-up IFA. C.J. tested negative, and got his first Purevax vaccination that day, followed by the booster two weeks later. I agonized for a few days about sending Dublin back to the rescue, where he'd go to a FeLV+ cat sanctuary, but he is such a special, amazingly sweet cat (gives hugs and kisses, just amazingly social) and was so thrilled with me and my home and is absolutely crazily besotted with my greyhound! I couldn't break his little heart. So I've kept him, and he and C.J. (also a wonderful, loving boy) mix, since C.J. was already exposed to him at the rescue (along with most of their other cats!!). I am really heartened by what I've read in the archives about how many of you have mixed cats without the negative ones converting. I manage to keep their food separate and change their water and scoop their litter twice a day, but these guys play and wrestle a lot, which is nervous-making. Except for the bad teeth, Dublin seems really healthy. He did have a bad case of chin acne when he came, but it's healed up really well. He eats voraciously and has gained some weight, has a lovely silky coat, and is becoming quite a rowdy little troublemaker too, always pouncing on C.J.'s tail (he never played at the rescue). It's not unreasonable to hope he might have a few good years, is it (though I know there's no way to predict)? I've also seen mention of various supplements you give, and I wish someone could give me a lowdown on what you essentially recommend (that is reasonably affordable) and exactly how you dose it. Lots of pictures of the cats here if you want to see
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On 04-11, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Charles, they don't have to look for your house. They have a gossip line that is superior to ours. I think that once we are adopted by oe, we get an invisible tatoo on our forheads SUCKER You've got that right. Every stray in the area has found our house, and of course they were all unneutered or pregnant when they came. We now have 15 cats at home. HELP! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I try to keep my pride at 7. That is all I can afford on SS Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: On 04-11, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Charles, they don't have to look for your house. They have a gossip line that is superior to ours. I think that once we are adopted by oe, we get an invisible tatoo on our forheads SUCKER You've got that right. Every stray in the area has found our house, and of course they were all unneutered or pregnant when they came. We now have 15 cats at home. HELP! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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We have more than average, but not enough to be newsworthy ;) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 16:19:03 -0500 From: dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] New Member I try to keep my pride at 7. That is all I can afford on SS Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: On 04-11, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Charles, they don't have to look for your house. They have a gossip line that is superior to ours. I think that once we are adopted by oe, we get an invisible tatoo on our forheads SUCKER You've got that right. Every stray in the area has found our house, and of course they were all unneutered or pregnant when they came. We now have 15 cats at home. HELP! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Consider talking with Alley Cat Advocates or another TNR organization for help with spaying/neutering. Some vets will give multiple cat discounts. I supplement the cat food with very on sale whole chicken, ground beef etc. The people quality meat is cheaper per pound than cat food. Same with cheap tuna (my guys, including the inside cats, don't like the solid white). I've found buying good catfood at a farm store is sometimes cheaper than at the grocery or K-Mart/Wal-Mart type stores. Additionally, if you establish a relationship with the people at a feed store, you may be able to get samples or broken bags. Just ideas. Managing these guys can be difficultbut it is worth it. On Apr 12, 2011, at 4:19 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: I try to keep my pride at 7. That is all I can afford on SS Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: On 04-11, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Charles, they don't have to look for your house. They have a gossip line that is superior to ours. I think that once we are adopted by oe, we get an invisible tatoo on our forheads SUCKER You've got that right. Every stray in the area has found our house, and of course they were all unneutered or pregnant when they came. We now have 15 cats at home. HELP! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I supplement my dry food with an occassional can of mackeral for people. They don't eat so much of the meat as they drink the broth, so I add hot water each time I serve up some and this stretches the can to cover several feedings. Mackeral is the only fish they really like. I also get turkey thighs (less bones to deal with) and boil them up. Again they don't go so much for the meat as the broth so one package lasts several feedings. I also use some of the meat for turkey noodle soup for me so this stretches it longe MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: Consider talking with Alley Cat Advocates or another TNR organization for help with spaying/neutering. Some vets will give multiple cat discounts. I supplement the cat food with very on sale whole chicken, ground beef etc. The people quality meat is cheaper per pound than cat food. Same with cheap tuna (my guys, including the inside cats, don't like the solid white). I've found buying good catfood at a farm store is sometimes cheaper than at the grocery or K-Mart/Wal-Mart type stores. Additionally, if you establish a relationship with the people at a feed store, you may be able to get samples or broken bags. Just ideas. Managing these guys can be difficultbut it is worth it. On Apr 12, 2011, at 4:19 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: I try to keep my pride at 7. That is all I can afford on SS Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: On 04-11, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Charles, they don't have to look for your house. They have a gossip line that is superior to ours. I think that once we are adopted by oe, we get an invisible tatoo on our forheads SUCKER You've got that right. Every stray in the area has found our house, and of course they were all unneutered or pregnant when they came. We now have 15 cats at home. HELP! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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This is a bit late, but more power to you for taking on all these guys. I have 7 in my present pride and they are all inside at night and outside for an hour or two on nice days when I am home. May be some changes due soon if I get a job to help pay my bills. Will be interesting to see how they adjust to my being gone all day 5 days runningand they haveto be in all day. They may get on each other's nerves, in particular the 2 kittens (1yr old) who feel it is their job toaggrevate the older girls. Peggy Verdonck jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com wrote: Lol, 'cats must look for house'. You are their Dr. House, or at least, you take them to him ;-) Good luck with all the Hello Kitties! You are doing a wonderful thing! Peggy 2011/4/6 katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com You go Charles! Sounds like you jumped in with both feet. This is a great place to get advice and just pass along information. FeLV + kitties can live good lives, some short, some long, some of them with few, if any symptoms. kind of like Typhoid Mary. I have one FeLV + that is about 12 - 13 years old. Don't know if she was always pos but has been for at least 5 years now and mixes inside/outside with all 8 other kitties and no problems. I vaccinate the negatives and deal with the positive as necessary - so far little needed thank goodness. Bless you and all who understand that humans are the reason there are so many kitties and dogs who need and deserve our help - and understanding that try to help. kat On 4/3/11, Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: Charles Ya-hoo! You have your hands full! Plenty of folks on here have great experience and can help guide you. I'm just good for moral support. Thanks for taking care of these little tigers...a job rewarded by their health and happiness. Carry on! ~Bonnie - Original Message - From: Charles J Driscoll se...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 11:14 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] New Member I am not sure how this board works, but this is my story. Can I answer on the board or do I have to send a e-mail each time. Over last summer, there was an abandoned foreclosure house next door to me. Well, in the hole of the fence, these 2 little faces kept popping their heads threw the hole. Turns out they were kittens born in March 2010 from a feral mother cat. I feed them over the summer and finally made friends with the kittens. I bought a small dog house they could eat without getting soaked in the rain, snow etc. I finally TRN them in Sept. One is a healthy Gray Tiger one which I call Hello. The other is a small black and white which I call Hello Kitty. they were both males. The black and white seemed to eat alot less, very skiddish, not as friendly. The tiger one is a big mouth meow, meow, hey here I am. They are so bonded, so close. The tiger one seems to mother the Hello Kitty on all terms, watching out for him, washing him. Well, over this bad snow, cold winter the black and white came down sick, I grabbed him FAST and set up a cage in the house. Took him to the vet, he was on antibodics. Turns out he is Positive with FeLV. Since I never took care of ferals in my life, this is all new to me and a bit overwhelming. So we now have the black and white kitten (11 months old now) in the house since Feb 14th and on: Prednisolone (1 pill a day) Chinese Herbs Immune enhancer (2 caps a day) EFA vitamin and mineral supplement (1/4 teaspoon mixed with food) Fellovite II (1/4 teaspoon or lick right from finger, which he does) I also have the tiger one in the house and he was vaccinated from the FeLV. so hopefully it works, cause I can not separate them at all. I am also feeding other ferals outside. (The cats must look for houseLOL) Steroid: Big male black and white, he looks like his ear is tipped Bobcat: pure black one shows up in the dark, in and out. Has a bunny rabbit tail V: gray male tiger, who's been missing since Long Island snow storm this Feb Red: Male just showed up the past 2 weeks, Friendly, but not neurterd The Mama CAT: caught her in Oct and TNR. She is doing well, and healthy and lives and eats by a women down the block. Any suggestion would be so helpful!! thank you reneeny ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman
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Charles, they don't have to look for your house. They have a gossip line that is superior to ours. I think that once we are adopted by oe, we get an invisible tatoo on our forheads SUCKER katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: You go Charles! Sounds like you jumped in with both feet. This is a great place to get advice and just pass along information. FeLV + kitties can live good lives, some short, some long, some of them with few, if any symptoms. kind of like Typhoid Mary. I have one FeLV + that is about 12 - 13 years old. Don't know if she was always pos but has been for at least 5 years now and mixes inside/outside with all 8 other kitties and no problems. I vaccinate the negatives and deal with the positive as necessary - so far little needed thank goodness. Bless you and all who understand that humans are the reason there are so many kitties and dogs who need and deserve our help - and understanding that try to help. kat On 4/3/11, Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: Charles Ya-hoo! You have your hands full! Plenty of folks on here have great experience and can help guide you. I'm just good for moral support. Thanks for taking care of these little tigers...a job rewarded by their health and happiness. Carry on! ~Bonnie - Original Message - From: Charles J Driscoll se...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 11:14 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] New Member I am not sure how this board works, but this is my story. Can I answer on the board or do I have to send a e-mail each time. Over last summer, there was an abandoned foreclosure house next door to me. Well, in the hole of the fence, these 2 little faces kept popping their heads threw the hole. Turns out they were kittens born in March 2010 from a feral mother cat. I feed them over the summer and finally made friends with the kittens. I bought a small dog house they could eat without getting soaked in the rain, snow etc. I finally TRN them in Sept. One is a healthy Gray Tiger one which I call Hello. The other is a small black and white which I call Hello Kitty. they were both males. The black and white seemed to eat alot less, very skiddish, not as friendly. The tiger one is a big mouth meow, meow, hey here I am. They are so bonded, so close. The tiger one seems to mother the Hello Kitty on all terms, watching out for him, washing him. Well, over this bad snow, cold winter the black and white came down sick, I grabbed him FAST and set up a cage in the house. Took him to the vet, he was on antibodics. Turns out he is Positive with FeLV. Since I never took care of ferals in my life, this is all new to me and a bit overwhelming. So we now have the black and white kitten (11 months old now) in the house since Feb 14th and on: Prednisolone (1 pill a day) Chinese Herbs Immune enhancer (2 caps a day) EFA vitamin and mineral supplement (1/4 teaspoon mixed with food) Fellovite II (1/4 teaspoon or lick right from finger, which he does) I also have the tiger one in the house and he was vaccinated from the FeLV. so hopefully it works, cause I can not separate them at all. I am also feeding other ferals outside. (The cats must look for houseLOL) Steroid: Big male black and white, he looks like his ear is tipped Bobcat: pure black one shows up in the dark, in and out. Has a bunny rabbit tail V: gray male tiger, who's been missing since Long Island snow storm this Feb Red: Male just showed up the past 2 weeks, Friendly, but not neurterd The Mama CAT: caught her in Oct and TNR. She is doing well, and healthy and lives and eats by a women down the block. Any suggestion would be so helpful!! thank you reneeny ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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You go Charles! Sounds like you jumped in with both feet. This is a great place to get advice and just pass along information. FeLV + kitties can live good lives, some short, some long, some of them with few, if any symptoms. kind of like Typhoid Mary. I have one FeLV + that is about 12 - 13 years old. Don't know if she was always pos but has been for at least 5 years now and mixes inside/outside with all 8 other kitties and no problems. I vaccinate the negatives and deal with the positive as necessary - so far little needed thank goodness. Bless you and all who understand that humans are the reason there are so many kitties and dogs who need and deserve our help - and understanding that try to help. kat On 4/3/11, Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: Charles Ya-hoo! You have your hands full! Plenty of folks on here have great experience and can help guide you. I'm just good for moral support. Thanks for taking care of these little tigers...a job rewarded by their health and happiness. Carry on! ~Bonnie - Original Message - From: Charles J Driscoll se...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 11:14 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] New Member I am not sure how this board works, but this is my story. Can I answer on the board or do I have to send a e-mail each time. Over last summer, there was an abandoned foreclosure house next door to me. Well, in the hole of the fence, these 2 little faces kept popping their heads threw the hole. Turns out they were kittens born in March 2010 from a feral mother cat. I feed them over the summer and finally made friends with the kittens. I bought a small dog house they could eat without getting soaked in the rain, snow etc. I finally TRN them in Sept. One is a healthy Gray Tiger one which I call Hello. The other is a small black and white which I call Hello Kitty. they were both males. The black and white seemed to eat alot less, very skiddish, not as friendly. The tiger one is a big mouth meow, meow, hey here I am. They are so bonded, so close. The tiger one seems to mother the Hello Kitty on all terms, watching out for him, washing him. Well, over this bad snow, cold winter the black and white came down sick, I grabbed him FAST and set up a cage in the house. Took him to the vet, he was on antibodics. Turns out he is Positive with FeLV. Since I never took care of ferals in my life, this is all new to me and a bit overwhelming. So we now have the black and white kitten (11 months old now) in the house since Feb 14th and on: Prednisolone (1 pill a day) Chinese Herbs Immune enhancer (2 caps a day) EFA vitamin and mineral supplement (1/4 teaspoon mixed with food) Fellovite II (1/4 teaspoon or lick right from finger, which he does) I also have the tiger one in the house and he was vaccinated from the FeLV. so hopefully it works, cause I can not separate them at all. I am also feeding other ferals outside. (The cats must look for houseLOL) Steroid: Big male black and white, he looks like his ear is tipped Bobcat: pure black one shows up in the dark, in and out. Has a bunny rabbit tail V: gray male tiger, who's been missing since Long Island snow storm this Feb Red: Male just showed up the past 2 weeks, Friendly, but not neurterd The Mama CAT: caught her in Oct and TNR. She is doing well, and healthy and lives and eats by a women down the block. Any suggestion would be so helpful!! thank you reneeny ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Lol, 'cats must look for house'. You are their Dr. House, or at least, you take them to him ;-) Good luck with all the Hello Kitties! You are doing a wonderful thing! Peggy 2011/4/6 katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com You go Charles! Sounds like you jumped in with both feet. This is a great place to get advice and just pass along information. FeLV + kitties can live good lives, some short, some long, some of them with few, if any symptoms. kind of like Typhoid Mary. I have one FeLV + that is about 12 - 13 years old. Don't know if she was always pos but has been for at least 5 years now and mixes inside/outside with all 8 other kitties and no problems. I vaccinate the negatives and deal with the positive as necessary - so far little needed thank goodness. Bless you and all who understand that humans are the reason there are so many kitties and dogs who need and deserve our help - and understanding that try to help. kat On 4/3/11, Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: Charles Ya-hoo! You have your hands full! Plenty of folks on here have great experience and can help guide you. I'm just good for moral support. Thanks for taking care of these little tigers...a job rewarded by their health and happiness. Carry on! ~Bonnie - Original Message - From: Charles J Driscoll se...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 11:14 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] New Member I am not sure how this board works, but this is my story. Can I answer on the board or do I have to send a e-mail each time. Over last summer, there was an abandoned foreclosure house next door to me. Well, in the hole of the fence, these 2 little faces kept popping their heads threw the hole. Turns out they were kittens born in March 2010 from a feral mother cat. I feed them over the summer and finally made friends with the kittens. I bought a small dog house they could eat without getting soaked in the rain, snow etc. I finally TRN them in Sept. One is a healthy Gray Tiger one which I call Hello. The other is a small black and white which I call Hello Kitty. they were both males. The black and white seemed to eat alot less, very skiddish, not as friendly. The tiger one is a big mouth meow, meow, hey here I am. They are so bonded, so close. The tiger one seems to mother the Hello Kitty on all terms, watching out for him, washing him. Well, over this bad snow, cold winter the black and white came down sick, I grabbed him FAST and set up a cage in the house. Took him to the vet, he was on antibodics. Turns out he is Positive with FeLV. Since I never took care of ferals in my life, this is all new to me and a bit overwhelming. So we now have the black and white kitten (11 months old now) in the house since Feb 14th and on: Prednisolone (1 pill a day) Chinese Herbs Immune enhancer (2 caps a day) EFA vitamin and mineral supplement (1/4 teaspoon mixed with food) Fellovite II (1/4 teaspoon or lick right from finger, which he does) I also have the tiger one in the house and he was vaccinated from the FeLV. so hopefully it works, cause I can not separate them at all. I am also feeding other ferals outside. (The cats must look for houseLOL) Steroid: Big male black and white, he looks like his ear is tipped Bobcat: pure black one shows up in the dark, in and out. Has a bunny rabbit tail V: gray male tiger, who's been missing since Long Island snow storm this Feb Red: Male just showed up the past 2 weeks, Friendly, but not neurterd The Mama CAT: caught her in Oct and TNR. She is doing well, and healthy and lives and eats by a women down the block. Any suggestion would be so helpful!! thank you reneeny ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I am not sure how this board works, but this is my story. Can I answer on the board or do I have to send a e-mail each time. Over last summer, there was an abandoned foreclosure house next door to me. Well, in the hole of the fence, these 2 little faces kept popping their heads threw the hole. Turns out they were kittens born in March 2010 from a feral mother cat. I feed them over the summer and finally made friends with the kittens. I bought a small dog house they could eat without getting soaked in the rain, snow etc. I finally TRN them in Sept. One is a healthy Gray Tiger one which I call Hello. The other is a small black and white which I call Hello Kitty. they were both males. The black and white seemed to eat alot less, very skiddish, not as friendly. The tiger one is a big mouth meow, meow, hey here I am. They are so bonded, so close. The tiger one seems to mother the Hello Kitty on all terms, watching out for him, washing him. Well, over this bad snow, cold winter the black and white came down sick, I grabbed him FAST and set up a cage in the house. Took him to the vet, he was on antibodics. Turns out he is Positive with FeLV. Since I never took care of ferals in my life, this is all new to me and a bit overwhelming. So we now have the black and white kitten (11 months old now) in the house since Feb 14th and on: Prednisolone (1 pill a day) Chinese Herbs Immune enhancer (2 caps a day) EFA vitamin and mineral supplement (1/4 teaspoon mixed with food) Fellovite II (1/4 teaspoon or lick right from finger, which he does) I also have the tiger one in the house and he was vaccinated from the FeLV. so hopefully it works, cause I can not separate them at all. I am also feeding other ferals outside. (The cats must look for houseLOL) Steroid: Big male black and white, he looks like his ear is tipped Bobcat: pure black one shows up in the dark, in and out. Has a bunny rabbit tail V: gray male tiger, who's been missing since Long Island snow storm this Feb Red: Male just showed up the past 2 weeks, Friendly, but not neurterd The Mama CAT: caught her in Oct and TNR. She is doing well, and healthy and lives and eats by a women down the block. Any suggestion would be so helpful!! thank you reneeny ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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When you post or answer a post on the board, everyone gets it--so we've all gotten your post. Good for you for taking in these little guys! And for TNR as many of the others as you can. I have 1 pos 3 neg who have all lived together for years w. no problem. I've also taken in two kittens just before our big snow storm luckily, they are neg. Neg cats are vaccinated I've never had come pos. My Tucson is 13 years old, 17 lbs doing fine. But I did lose Romeo, a 10+former stray from lymphoma last year. Folks on this board have had a whole lot more experience than me but it seems the critical time is kittenhood early adolescence. How is Mr. Kitty doing? The pos are s susceptible to any sort of infection, URI, UTI, etc. I tend to take Tucson in to the vet if she's looking a little pt eaked (usually, for her, means she won't eat!). Some folks give Interferon as prev but I never have. Tucson is a big cuddler but can be difficult to medicate my Romeo would freak out if you ever had to hold him down. I feed them Wellness canned Blue Buffalo lite dry (and various treats-LOL). How are Hello Mr. Kitty enjoying indoor life! Bet they're thrilled to be in from the cold -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Charles J Driscoll Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 2:15 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] New Member I am not sure how this board works, but this is my story. Can I answer on the board or do I have to send a e-mail each time. Over last summer, there was an abandoned foreclosure house next door to me. Well, in the hole of the fence, these 2 little faces kept popping their heads threw the hole. Turns out they were kittens born in March 2010 from a feral mother cat. I feed them over the summer and finally made friends with the kittens. I bought a small dog house they could eat without getting soaked in the rain, snow etc. I finally TRN them in Sept. One is a healthy Gray Tiger one which I call Hello. The other is a small black and white which I call Hello Kitty. they were both males. The black and white seemed to eat alot less, very skiddish, not as friendly. The tiger one is a big mouth meow, meow, hey here I am. They are so bonded, so close. The tiger one seems to mother the Hello Kitty on all terms, watching out for him, washing him. Well, over this bad snow, cold winter the black and white came down sick, I grabbed him FAST and set up a cage in the house. Took him to the vet, he was on antibodics. Turns out he is Positive with FeLV. Since I never took care of ferals in my life, this is all new to me and a bit overwhelming. So we now have the black and white kitten (11 months old now) in the house since Feb 14th and on: Prednisolone (1 pill a day) Chinese Herbs Immune enhancer (2 caps a day) EFA vitamin and mineral supplement (1/4 teaspoon mixed with food) Fellovite II (1/4 teaspoon or lick right from finger, which he does) I also have the tiger one in the house and he was vaccinated from the FeLV. so hopefully it works, cause I can not separate them at all. I am also feeding other ferals outside. (The cats must look for houseLOL) Steroid: Big male black and white, he looks like his ear is tipped Bobcat: pure black one shows up in the dark, in and out. Has a bunny rabbit tail V: gray male tiger, who's been missing since Long Island snow storm this Feb Red: Male just showed up the past 2 weeks, Friendly, but not neurterd The Mama CAT: caught her in Oct and TNR. She is doing well, and healthy and lives and eats by a women down the block. Any suggestion would be so helpful!! thank you reneeny ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Copper came to me from the pine thicket 2 weeks before Thomas and helped Thomas decide to be a cared for kitten. I was advised to keep them separated for 6 + weeks in case one was sick. Well, that didn't fly at all. They came from the same place and were almost the same age and ..well, I decided to deal with whatever came up and let them be together. They were separated for about 4 hours once and that won't happen again. I even make sure they are in the same cage if I have to leave them at the vets'---neuter, dental. All of this is to say that you are right in not separating them. The stress would probably kill both of them. Thomas locked himself in the Jeep once and Copper was hollering his head off because he couldn't get to his brother. He was far more upset than Thomas. MHO: reduce stress as much as you cantry Rescue Remedy and Feliway. Even though they are together, there has been a major life- style change. Feed the highest quality food that you can. Listen to this group re supplements. I like colostrum for my ferals. I get it at the local feed store. Dixie (FeLV+) liked--almost craved high vitamin C veggies finely chopped and mixed with various foods I gave her and I know one holistic vet who highly recommends vitamin C supplements. On that note, I have a wonderful holistic vet and know another (Louisville, KY area but do phone consultations). I take any critter who comes into my life as a house guest to Betty Bosewell. She helped me, along with the wonderful vets at Middletown Animal Clinic, give Dixie the absolutely best life a little cat could have and she left this life very easy compared to so many I hear about. And she left without the help of the vets she truly hated I credit Betty and the MAC vets with helping two very tiny feral kittens grow into the wonderful cats they are todaythey are napping in their chair as I type. Keeping them together is the right thing. Bless you for caring and loving these darlings. You will never regret it. On Apr 3, 2011, at 1:14 PM, Charles J Driscoll wrote: I am not sure how this board works, but this is my story. Can I answer on the board or do I have to send a e-mail each time. Over last summer, there was an abandoned foreclosure house next door to me. Well, in the hole of the fence, these 2 little faces kept popping their heads threw the hole. Turns out they were kittens born in March 2010 from a feral mother cat. I feed them over the summer and finally made friends with the kittens. I bought a small dog house they could eat without getting soaked in the rain, snow etc. I finally TRN them in Sept. One is a healthy Gray Tiger one which I call Hello. The other is a small black and white which I call Hello Kitty. they were both males. The black and white seemed to eat alot less, very skiddish, not as friendly. The tiger one is a big mouth meow, meow, hey here I am. They are so bonded, so close. The tiger one seems to mother the Hello Kitty on all terms, watching out for him, washing him. Well, over this bad snow, cold winter the black and white came down sick, I grabbed him FAST and set up a cage in the house. Took him to the vet, he was on antibodics. Turns out he is Positive with FeLV. Since I never took care of ferals in my life, this is all new to me and a bit overwhelming. So we now have the black and white kitten (11 months old now) in the house since Feb 14th and on: Prednisolone (1 pill a day) Chinese Herbs Immune enhancer (2 caps a day) EFA vitamin and mineral supplement (1/4 teaspoon mixed with food) Fellovite II (1/4 teaspoon or lick right from finger, which he does) I also have the tiger one in the house and he was vaccinated from the FeLV. so hopefully it works, cause I can not separate them at all. I am also feeding other ferals outside. (The cats must look for houseLOL) Steroid: Big male black and white, he looks like his ear is tipped Bobcat: pure black one shows up in the dark, in and out. Has a bunny rabbit tail V: gray male tiger, who's been missing since Long Island snow storm this Feb Red: Male just showed up the past 2 weeks, Friendly, but not neurterd The Mama CAT: caught her in Oct and TNR. She is doing well, and healthy and lives and eats by a women down the block. Any suggestion would be so helpful!! thank you reneeny ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Charles Ya-hoo! You have your hands full! Plenty of folks on here have great experience and can help guide you. I'm just good for moral support. Thanks for taking care of these little tigers...a job rewarded by their health and happiness. Carry on! ~Bonnie - Original Message - From: Charles J Driscoll se...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 11:14 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] New Member I am not sure how this board works, but this is my story. Can I answer on the board or do I have to send a e-mail each time. Over last summer, there was an abandoned foreclosure house next door to me. Well, in the hole of the fence, these 2 little faces kept popping their heads threw the hole. Turns out they were kittens born in March 2010 from a feral mother cat. I feed them over the summer and finally made friends with the kittens. I bought a small dog house they could eat without getting soaked in the rain, snow etc. I finally TRN them in Sept. One is a healthy Gray Tiger one which I call Hello. The other is a small black and white which I call Hello Kitty. they were both males. The black and white seemed to eat alot less, very skiddish, not as friendly. The tiger one is a big mouth meow, meow, hey here I am. They are so bonded, so close. The tiger one seems to mother the Hello Kitty on all terms, watching out for him, washing him. Well, over this bad snow, cold winter the black and white came down sick, I grabbed him FAST and set up a cage in the house. Took him to the vet, he was on antibodics. Turns out he is Positive with FeLV. Since I never took care of ferals in my life, this is all new to me and a bit overwhelming. So we now have the black and white kitten (11 months old now) in the house since Feb 14th and on: Prednisolone (1 pill a day) Chinese Herbs Immune enhancer (2 caps a day) EFA vitamin and mineral supplement (1/4 teaspoon mixed with food) Fellovite II (1/4 teaspoon or lick right from finger, which he does) I also have the tiger one in the house and he was vaccinated from the FeLV. so hopefully it works, cause I can not separate them at all. I am also feeding other ferals outside. (The cats must look for houseLOL) Steroid: Big male black and white, he looks like his ear is tipped Bobcat: pure black one shows up in the dark, in and out. Has a bunny rabbit tail V: gray male tiger, who's been missing since Long Island snow storm this Feb Red: Male just showed up the past 2 weeks, Friendly, but not neurterd The Mama CAT: caught her in Oct and TNR. She is doing well, and healthy and lives and eats by a women down the block. Any suggestion would be so helpful!! thank you reneeny ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Message from new member April
Hi All, this message never came through the list as far as I know, something wrong with it and it wasn't allowed. If any one has any answers for April please write directly to her at [EMAIL PROTECTED] *as I am not sure she is getting list messages. James can you check on that please, thanks!! Subject: How to get the White Blood Cell count up *From: April Martella [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:18:04 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Hi, I am new to the list, I have a 13 year old FeLV positive kitty who I recently took to the vet because he looked to me like he was losing some weight. Turns out he only lost a few ounces from our last visit about 7 months ago. They did a senior blood panel on him and everything came out good except his white blood cell count was a bit low, which the vet informed me is common is FeLV pos kitties. Anyone know how I can get this number up, or of something I can give him to boost his immune system and get these numbers up? Thanks! April -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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April- Good for you for having a senior FELV+! I have one who is around 8 or 9 who has had a couple of episodes of low white blood count. She's 18 lbs and when she doesn't eat very much for more than a day or so and when her nose and gums get real pale, I start thinking about bringing her in for blood work. Her wbc counts were real low. My vet used immune-regulin with her--can't remember how many shots but I brought her in once a week for 3 or 4 weeks I think. It raised her wbc each time with no side effects... Christiane Biagi Cell: 914-720-6888 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Volunteer-St. Bernard Parish Animal Shelter http://www.flickr.com/photos/sbpshelter/sets/72157603921945483/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Belinda Sauro Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 12:37 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Message from new member April Hi All, this message never came through the list as far as I know, something wrong with it and it wasn't allowed. If any one has any answers for April please write directly to her at [EMAIL PROTECTED] *as I am not sure she is getting list messages. James can you check on that please, thanks!! Subject: How to get the White Blood Cell count up *From: April Martella [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:18:04 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Hi, I am new to the list, I have a 13 year old FeLV positive kitty who I recently took to the vet because he looked to me like he was losing some weight. Turns out he only lost a few ounces from our last visit about 7 months ago. They did a senior blood panel on him and everything came out good except his white blood cell count was a bit low, which the vet informed me is common is FeLV pos kitties. Anyone know how I can get this number up, or of something I can give him to boost his immune system and get these numbers up? Thanks! April -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hi Regarding immunoregulin, I followed the protocol I on the website. Sally April -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com http://belindasauro.com/ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior(angel), Tiny(angel) Fluffy(soul mate angel), Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior (newest) I call him JJ , Silver, and Spike Please Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are welcome to sign up. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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It sounds like you're doing everything you can. My first positive went through 2 very bad periods and recovered to live to 7 or 8 years old. I hope Tora pulls through. take care, tonya amanda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi , my kitten ' 'Tora' aged about 5 months was diagnosed with FeLV yesterday, he was sick since last friday which I mistaked for food poisoning! That time he had antibiotics and interferon injection and sub fluids which helped him alot, he had swollen lypm node on one side of throat which got much better, but on Tuesday he started getting ill again, quiet ect, so yesterday we tested for FeLV and he come out full possitive. I live in Japan and they suggested interefon injections for the next five days and sub fluids with vitamins and antibiotics, since yesterday he hasn`t been eating, has been dribbling sometimes and looks like he has inflamation of the intestines, when we touch him, he cries in pain. My husband is an accupunturist and we are doing that too and I asking the advice of a homeopath too. Is there anything else that I can try? Will he have a chance to pull through? It`s not the first time I`ve had FeLV possitive cats, I had two before, one lived a long normal life and the other pulled through the first bout of sickness like Tora, maybe not as bad, but I remember she didn`t eat for days too! But I lost her to Lymphoma cancer a year later. Any advice help, information would be truely appreciated!! hugs and purrs Amanda and Tora. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] New member, advice needed please!
Hi , my kitten ' 'Tora' aged about 5 months was diagnosed with FeLV yesterday, he was sick since last friday which I mistaked for food poisoning! That time he had antibiotics and interferon injection and sub fluids which helped him alot, he had swollen lypm node on one side of throat which got much better, but on Tuesday he started getting ill again, quiet ect, so yesterday we tested for FeLV and he come out full possitive. I live in Japan and they suggested interefon injections for the next five days and sub fluids with vitamins and antibiotics, since yesterday he hasn`t been eating, has been dribbling sometimes and looks like he has inflamation of the intestines, when we touch him, he cries in pain. My husband is an accupunturist and we are doing that too and I asking the advice of a homeopath too. Is there anything else that I can try? Will he have a chance to pull through? It`s not the first time I`ve had FeLV possitive cats, I had two before, one lived a long normal life and the other pulled through the first bout of sickness like Tora, maybe not as bad, but I remember she didn`t eat for days too! But I lost her to Lymphoma cancer a year later. Any advice help, information would be truely appreciated!! hugs and purrs Amanda and Tora. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Amanda, my FeLV+ kitties haven't crashed yet so I don't know the odds of pulling through. My Sissy did have swollen lymph nodes that improved after a round of a/b, I do know a sick kitty needs fluids and food. You can blend most pate style canned foods with a little liquid until it is the consistency of a thick milk shake and syringe feed Tora. There is a Yahoo Assist Feeding group with more info. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-Assisted-Feeding/ You could also try meat baby food (no onions or garlic) if that is available in Japan. Until you are able to get a handle on his problems it is important to get food into him. Sick kitties actually need more calories than healthy kitties. There are meds for pain like buprenorphine (Buprenex) that are very effective. Please do not use Metacam (meloxicam) which can lead to kidney failure in some cats, Hugs to Tora Sharyl --- On Fri, 10/24/08, amanda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: amanda [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Felvtalk] New member, advice needed please! To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, October 24, 2008, 6:27 AM Hi , my kitten ' 'Tora' aged about 5 months was diagnosed with FeLV yesterday, he was sick since last friday which I mistaked for food poisoning! That time he had antibiotics and interferon injection and sub fluids which helped him alot, he had swollen lypm node on one side of throat which got much better, but on Tuesday he started getting ill again, quiet ect, so yesterday we tested for FeLV and he come out full possitive. I live in Japan and they suggested interefon injections for the next five days and sub fluids with vitamins and antibiotics, since yesterday he hasn`t been eating, has been dribbling sometimes and looks like he has inflamation of the intestines, when we touch him, he cries in pain. My husband is an accupunturist and we are doing that too and I asking the advice of a homeopath too. Is there anything else that I can try? Will he have a chance to pull through? It`s not the first time I`ve had FeLV possitive cats, I had two before, one lived a long normal life and the other pulled through the first bout of sickness like Tora, maybe not as bad, but I remember she didn`t eat for days too! But I lost her to Lymphoma cancer a year later. Any advice help, information would be truely appreciated!! hugs and purrs Amanda and Tora. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] New member, advice needed please!
amanda, since you are using vets, acupuncture and holistic, that is about all we can do. try praying. God can work miracles if that is in His plan. at least, He can give you the strength to get thru this. dorlis amanda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi , my kitten ' 'Tora' aged about 5 months was diagnosed with FeLV yesterday, he was sick since last friday which I mistaked for food poisoning! That time he had antibiotics and interferon injection and sub fluids which helped him alot, he had swollen lypm node on one side of throat which got much better, but on Tuesday he started getting ill again, quiet ect, so yesterday we tested for FeLV and he come out full possitive. I live in Japan and they suggested interefon injections for the next five days and sub fluids with vitamins and antibiotics, since yesterday he hasn`t been eating, has been dribbling sometimes and looks like he has inflamation of the intestines, when we touch him, he cries in pain. My husband is an accupunturist and we are doing that too and I asking the advice of a homeopath too. Is there anything else that I can try? Will he have a chance to pull through? It`s not the first time I`ve had FeLV possitive cats, I had two before, one lived a long normal life and the other pulled through the first bout of sickness like Tora, maybe not as bad, but I remember she didn`t eat for days too! But I lost her to Lymphoma cancer a year later. Any advice help, information would be truely appreciated!! hugs and purrs Amanda and Tora. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Of course he has a chance. Please remember none of us are guaranteed any specific time on this earth. All we can hope/pray for is to be cared for and loved...Tora has that. Please do not focus on what may happen but care for Tora and enjoy his love. I do know what I am talking about. I learned from the Royal Princess Kitty Katt and my Junior Partner, Dixie Louise Doodle Katt. The lessons are hard but very important. You are doing wonderfully. Tora is cared for and knows lovewhat more can any of us ask for? Blessings to you all and, most of all, peace. On Oct 24, 2008, at 8:35 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: amanda, since you are using vets, acupuncture and holistic, that is about all we can do. try praying. God can work miracles if that is in His plan. at least, He can give you the strength to get thru this. dorlis amanda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi , my kitten ' 'Tora' aged about 5 months was diagnosed with FeLV yesterday, he was sick since last friday which I mistaked for food poisoning! That time he had antibiotics and interferon injection and sub fluids which helped him alot, he had swollen lypm node on one side of throat which got much better, but on Tuesday he started getting ill again, quiet ect, so yesterday we tested for FeLV and he come out full possitive. I live in Japan and they suggested interefon injections for the next five days and sub fluids with vitamins and antibiotics, since yesterday he hasn`t been eating, has been dribbling sometimes and looks like he has inflamation of the intestines, when we touch him, he cries in pain. My husband is an accupunturist and we are doing that too and I asking the advice of a homeopath too. Is there anything else that I can try? Will he have a chance to pull through? It`s not the first time I`ve had FeLV possitive cats, I had two before, one lived a long normal life and the other pulled through the first bout of sickness like Tora, maybe not as bad, but I remember she didn`t eat for days too! But I lost her to Lymphoma cancer a year later. Any advice help, information would be truely appreciated!! hugs and purrs Amanda and Tora. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I disagree. I think the the vaccine is more effective than doctors give it credit for. I have had so many negative (vaccinated) cats exposed to positives, and have never had it transferred to one of them. tonya Sabrina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Lorrie, Don't give up hope! I just posted a couple of days ago about the two kitties I rescued who were positive just were retested and are now negative!! Of course I don't know if what I did had anything to do with changing their status, but if you are interested in the diet I fed them and the supplements I gave them, contact me offlist. Furthermore, the FeLV vaccine doesn't have a terribly high efficacy even now. Someone on one of these lists said she worked in a cat clinic for a number of years and out of the 2000 or so cases of leukemia she saw, most of the ones who died had been vaccinated for the disease. Sabrina www.Pet-Sitter-Pro.com www.LovingGraceRescue.org Orange County, CA ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hello Everyone, I'm a new member to the FelV group, but not new to cat rescue and TNR, which I've been doing for a long time. For years I didn't test for FelV, because back in the 1980's I tested all of my cats for it, and two were positive, so I put had them put down to protect my other cats. I've felt horribly guilty ever since, and because of this I quit testing. I started testing again about 4 years ago when I began taking care of a feral colony I discovered in our small town of Terra Alta, WV. There were always kittens I couldn't find homes for, and if I kept them, or kept any strays that were dumped at our house I felt I should have them tested.. None of them were ever positive. I guess I was just lucky, but now my luck has run out. Several kittens in a litter I rescued have tested positive for FelV. I intend to learn everything I can about FelV, and meanwhile I'll vaccinate my negative cats with the FelV vaccine. In the 80's it wasn't too effective, so I hope it's improved I'd appreciate input on the efficacy of the vaccine. I understand FelV is contagious, but not highly contagious. From what I've read it is apparently spread through blood (bites) food dishes, water bowls and mutual grooming. The virus apparently doesn't live long outside the cat's body, but in even a few hours other cats could be infected. The vet didn't tell me to euthanize the positive kittens, but she did give me a grim outlook :-( I'd appreciate hearing from any of you in regard to this. Lorrie in Terra Alta, WV ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hi, Lorrie -- Glad you found this group. You'll get lots of great advice here. Firstly, don't beat yourself up too much -- it's too bad about the kitties you put to sleep, but nobody knew much about FeLV back then, it would have been universally considered to be a death sentence anyway. Now, there is so much hope for your positive kittens! Admittedly, your vet was probably trying to let you know the worst of what you're facing, but if all she can offer is grimness, you might want to consider finding another vet, at least for these babies. The fact that she didn't suggest euthanasia is a point in her favor, but the kittens would be better served by someone on the cutting edge of FeLV. Or, if she's willing to work with you, you can print off stuff from the files on the felineleukemia.org website and help her expand her knowledge base. ;-) I assume the kittens are not showing signs of disease. If they aren't, depending on their age, they may yet shake off the virus. But if they don't, there are still ways to keep them asymptomatic. FeLV *isn't* an automatic death sentence these days. You'll get lots of advice here on diet and supplements, and (along with some heartache) some nice success stories. Diane R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 9:34 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] New member Hello Everyone, I'm a new member to the FelV group, but not new to cat rescue and TNR, which I've been doing for a long time. For years I didn't test for FelV, because back in the 1980's I tested all of my cats for it, and two were positive, so I put had them put down to protect my other cats. I've felt horribly guilty ever since, and because of this I quit testing. I started testing again about 4 years ago when I began taking care of a feral colony I discovered in our small town of Terra Alta, WV. There were always kittens I couldn't find homes for, and if I kept them, or kept any strays that were dumped at our house I felt I should have them tested.. None of them were ever positive. I guess I was just lucky, but now my luck has run out. Several kittens in a litter I rescued have tested positive for FelV. I intend to learn everything I can about FelV, and meanwhile I'll vaccinate my negative cats with the FelV vaccine. In the 80's it wasn't too effective, so I hope it's improved I'd appreciate input on the efficacy of the vaccine. I understand FelV is contagious, but not highly contagious. From what I've read it is apparently spread through blood (bites) food dishes, water bowls and mutual grooming. The virus apparently doesn't live long outside the cat's body, but in even a few hours other cats could be infected. The vet didn't tell me to euthanize the positive kittens, but she did give me a grim outlook :-( I'd appreciate hearing from any of you in regard to this. Lorrie in Terra Alta, WV ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hi Lorrie, Don't give up hope! I just posted a couple of days ago about the two kitties I rescued who were positive just were retested and are now negative!! Of course I don't know if what I did had anything to do with changing their status, but if you are interested in the diet I fed them and the supplements I gave them, contact me offlist. Furthermore, the FeLV vaccine doesn't have a terribly high efficacy even now. Someone on one of these lists said she worked in a cat clinic for a number of years and out of the 2000 or so cases of leukemia she saw, most of the ones who died had been vaccinated for the disease. Sabrina www.Pet-Sitter-Pro.com www.LovingGraceRescue.org Orange County, CA ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Letter from new member
Hi, Diane, Thanks for replying to my first post on this group. The kittens are 5 1/2 months old now. I've been trying to find homes for them since they were 8 weeks old, but no luck :-( I had no clue that some of them had FelV until a friend adopted one, and it became extremely sick. It was tested for FelV and soon died. The others are still fine, they had their shots and other than feeling bad for 24 hours, which most kittens do, they recovered and are running all over. My vet is good. She has always answered all my questions, given me plenty of time, and she is also understanding about my ordering vet meds online to save money. In fact she will tell me what to use and what dosages to give. The vet I used before got p.o'ed big time about this! There are only 2 vet clinics in our very small town, and I really like the one I use now. I assume she had to cover her butt by giving me a worst case scenario on FelV. One of the things she told me, that didn't seem right, was that felV could be transmitted in ways other than by sharing food water bowls, grooming or biting My cats often escape their quarters, and my vet indicated that a negative cat might walk where a positive cat had been and pick up the virus. This sounded a bit far fetched to me. What do you think? Is she just covering all bases? I am now giving the kittens L Lysine, which I understand will help boost their immune systems, however they are all still together. I have no place to separate them. I have 15 cats at home (they are rescued inside/outside cats) and I bought a building in town which I use as a shelter. There are 33 cats there, so we're full up! These cats are not in cages, they all have individual rooms, but the rooms are full, without being over crowded. I'm working on finding more space where all FelV cats can be separated. Thanks for writing. Lorrie in WV On 09-19, Rosenfeldt, Diane wrote: Hi, Lorrie -- Glad you found this group. You'll get lots of great advice here. Firstly, don't beat yourself up too much -- it's too bad about the kitties you put to sleep, but nobody knew much about FeLV back then, it would have been universally considered to be a death sentence anyway. Now, there is so much hope for your positive kittens! Admittedly, your vet was probably trying to let you know the worst of what you're facing, but if all she can offer is grimness, you might want to consider finding another vet, at least for these babies. The fact that she didn't suggest euthanasia is a point in her favor, but the kittens would be better served by someone on the cutting edge of FeLV. Or, if she's willing to work with you, you can print off stuff from the files on the felineleukemia.org website and help her expand her knowledge base. ;-) I assume the kittens are not showing signs of disease. If they aren't, depending on their age, they may yet shake off the virus. But if they don't, there are still ways to keep them asymptomatic. FeLV *isn't* an automatic death sentence these days. You'll get lots of advice here on diet and supplements, and (along with some heartache) some nice success stories. Diane R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 9:34 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] New member Hello Everyone, I'm a new member to the FelV group, but not new to cat rescue and TNR, which I've been doing for a long time. For years I didn't test for FelV, because back in the 1980's I tested all of my cats for it, and two were positive, so I put had them put down to protect my other cats. I've felt horribly guilty ever since, and because of this I quit testing. I started testing again about 4 years ago when I began taking care of a feral colony I discovered in our small town of Terra Alta, WV. There were always kittens I couldn't find homes for, and if I kept them, or kept any strays that were dumped at our house I felt I should have them tested.. None of them were ever positive. I guess I was just lucky, but now my luck has run out. Several kittens in a litter I rescued have tested positive for FelV. I intend to learn everything I can about FelV, and meanwhile I'll vaccinate my negative cats with the FelV vaccine. In the 80's it wasn't too effective, so I hope it's improved I'd appreciate input on the efficacy of the vaccine. I understand FelV is contagious, but not highly contagious. From what I've read it is apparently spread through blood (bites) food dishes, water bowls and mutual grooming. The virus apparently doesn't live long outside the cat's body, but in even a few hours other cats could be infected. The vet didn't tell me to euthanize the positive kittens, but she did give me a grim outlook :-( I'd appreciate hearing from any of you in regard to this. Lorrie in Terra Alta, WV
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The thing about the cat walking in the same space is very farfetched. FeLV is more easily transmitted than FIV, but this kind of casual contact won't do it. Many people here will tell you how their FeLV positive and negative cats have hung out together for years with zero transmission. If your vet is willing to do the homework, bring her stuff from this website about transmission and treatment options. The L-lysine is a great start. Feed them food that's as good as you can afford -- high protein, low grain, etc. Wellness isn't the absolute best, but it's not bad and not hideously expensive. Some people here swear by holistic medicine and raw feeding for their cats, and will certainly chime in with more info. Stress them as little as possible. Watch for stuff like anemia, which often turns up in FeLV kitties, and be vigilant about stuff you'd let run its course in other cats, like respiratory things. These cats can live relatively long lives with good care and luck and lots of love. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 2:57 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Letter from new member Hi, Diane, Thanks for replying to my first post on this group. The kittens are 5 1/2 months old now. I've been trying to find homes for them since they were 8 weeks old, but no luck :-( I had no clue that some of them had FelV until a friend adopted one, and it became extremely sick. It was tested for FelV and soon died. The others are still fine, they had their shots and other than feeling bad for 24 hours, which most kittens do, they recovered and are running all over. My vet is good. She has always answered all my questions, given me plenty of time, and she is also understanding about my ordering vet meds online to save money. In fact she will tell me what to use and what dosages to give. The vet I used before got p.o'ed big time about this! There are only 2 vet clinics in our very small town, and I really like the one I use now. I assume she had to cover her butt by giving me a worst case scenario on FelV. One of the things she told me, that didn't seem right, was that felV could be transmitted in ways other than by sharing food water bowls, grooming or biting My cats often escape their quarters, and my vet indicated that a negative cat might walk where a positive cat had been and pick up the virus. This sounded a bit far fetched to me. What do you think? Is she just covering all bases? I am now giving the kittens L Lysine, which I understand will help boost their immune systems, however they are all still together. I have no place to separate them. I have 15 cats at home (they are rescued inside/outside cats) and I bought a building in town which I use as a shelter. There are 33 cats there, so we're full up! These cats are not in cages, they all have individual rooms, but the rooms are full, without being over crowded. I'm working on finding more space where all FelV cats can be separated. Thanks for writing. Lorrie in WV On 09-19, Rosenfeldt, Diane wrote: Hi, Lorrie -- Glad you found this group. You'll get lots of great advice here. Firstly, don't beat yourself up too much -- it's too bad about the kitties you put to sleep, but nobody knew much about FeLV back then, it would have been universally considered to be a death sentence anyway. Now, there is so much hope for your positive kittens! Admittedly, your vet was probably trying to let you know the worst of what you're facing, but if all she can offer is grimness, you might want to consider finding another vet, at least for these babies. The fact that she didn't suggest euthanasia is a point in her favor, but the kittens would be better served by someone on the cutting edge of FeLV. Or, if she's willing to work with you, you can print off stuff from the files on the felineleukemia.org website and help her expand her knowledge base. ;-) I assume the kittens are not showing signs of disease. If they aren't, depending on their age, they may yet shake off the virus. But if they don't, there are still ways to keep them asymptomatic. FeLV *isn't* an automatic death sentence these days. You'll get lots of advice here on diet and supplements, and (along with some heartache) some nice success stories. Diane R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 9:34 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] New member Hello Everyone, I'm a new member to the FelV group, but not new to cat rescue and TNR, which I've been doing for a long time. For years I didn't test for FelV, because back in the 1980's I tested all of my cats for it, and two were positive, so I put had them put down to protect my other cats. I've felt horribly guilty ever since, and because of this I quit testing. I
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I gave Dixie (FeLV+) colostrum in addition to a lot of other supplements, Primal Raw + organic veggies etc (I know there is a theory going around that they should not eat raw if they test positive--Dixie thrived on it and grain free foods). Her first trip, after testing +, was to a holistic vet. If you don't have one close, there are several, including the ones I worked with, who will do phone consultations. Dixie saw Dr. Boswell every time we went to Louisville and I attribute her quality of life to the coordination between Dr. Boswell and my regular vets at Middletown Animal Clinic. Dixie came into my life as a 2-3 year old cat (estimate) and stayed with me just over 3 years. She was on her own for a long time and I am sure this worsened the situation and shortened her life. Until the last few days she appeared to be in perfect health and was very happy. She had everything a cat could want and more. A month after she left this world she sent me Copper and two weeks later she sent me Thomas. They are both negative. Their first visit, after testing negative, was to Dr. Boswell who started them on some supplements (again, because they were on their own and we are now raising healthy kittens who need to make up for a few weeks of hard times). All of this is to encourage you to check in with a holistic vet. Blessings to you for caring for the little ones. On Sep 19, 2008, at 2:56 PM, Lorrie wrote: Hi, Diane, Thanks for replying to my first post on this group. The kittens are 5 1/2 months old now. I've been trying to find homes for them since they were 8 weeks old, but no luck :-( I had no clue that some of them had FelV until a friend adopted one, and it became extremely sick. It was tested for FelV and soon died. The others are still fine, they had their shots and other than feeling bad for 24 hours, which most kittens do, they recovered and are running all over. My vet is good. She has always answered all my questions, given me plenty of time, and she is also understanding about my ordering vet meds online to save money. In fact she will tell me what to use and what dosages to give. The vet I used before got p.o'ed big time about this! There are only 2 vet clinics in our very small town, and I really like the one I use now. I assume she had to cover her butt by giving me a worst case scenario on FelV. One of the things she told me, that didn't seem right, was that felV could be transmitted in ways other than by sharing food water bowls, grooming or biting My cats often escape their quarters, and my vet indicated that a negative cat might walk where a positive cat had been and pick up the virus. This sounded a bit far fetched to me. What do you think? Is she just covering all bases? I am now giving the kittens L Lysine, which I understand will help boost their immune systems, however they are all still together. I have no place to separate them. I have 15 cats at home (they are rescued inside/outside cats) and I bought a building in town which I use as a shelter. There are 33 cats there, so we're full up! These cats are not in cages, they all have individual rooms, but the rooms are full, without being over crowded. I'm working on finding more space where all FelV cats can be separated. Thanks for writing. Lorrie in WV On 09-19, Rosenfeldt, Diane wrote: Hi, Lorrie -- Glad you found this group. You'll get lots of great advice here. Firstly, don't beat yourself up too much -- it's too bad about the kitties you put to sleep, but nobody knew much about FeLV back then, it would have been universally considered to be a death sentence anyway. Now, there is so much hope for your positive kittens! Admittedly, your vet was probably trying to let you know the worst of what you're facing, but if all she can offer is grimness, you might want to consider finding another vet, at least for these babies. The fact that she didn't suggest euthanasia is a point in her favor, but the kittens would be better served by someone on the cutting edge of FeLV. Or, if she's willing to work with you, you can print off stuff from the files on the felineleukemia.org website and help her expand her knowledge base. ;-) I assume the kittens are not showing signs of disease. If they aren't, depending on their age, they may yet shake off the virus. But if they don't, there are still ways to keep them asymptomatic. FeLV *isn't* an automatic death sentence these days. You'll get lots of advice here on diet and supplements, and (along with some heartache) some nice success stories. Diane R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 9:34 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] New member Hello Everyone, I'm a new member to the FelV group, but not new to cat rescue and TNR, which I've been doing
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Interesting, everything I read says the efficacy of at least 3 of the current vaccines is 85-90%, plus most adult cats are pretty immune naturally. If the majority of the cases that died had been vaccinated I would have to wonder if one of several possibilities might be true; they were already positive when vaccinated; the vaccine protocol wasn't properly followed; or their tests weren't properly done. I would also think that a vet clinic that saw 2000 cases over even a 10 year period was one very busy clinic, it has only been a very recent part of normal testing and still is not for many clinics. I have three positive cats that are kept in their own area but I still vaccinate all of my negatives even though I think the chance of infection from my positives is pretty low. Gary - Original Message - From: Sabrina [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] New member Furthermore, the FeLV vaccine doesn't have a terribly high efficacy even now. Someone on one of these lists said she worked in a cat clinic for a number of years and out of the 2000 or so cases of leukemia she saw, most of the ones who died had been vaccinated for the disease. Sabrina ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Jennifer, I just wanted you to know that Dixie sent me a second little one from the same pine thicket and surrounded by the same hawks, fox, dogs, etc. Apparently she really thought she had EVERYTHINGcertainly enough to loan to two babies who needed homes. On Jul 30, 2008, at 12:59 PM, Jennifer wrote: That's such a touching story...brought tears to my eyes. What is your new kitty's name? Hopefully she's with you for a very long time :) Jennifer ~ loving mama to ~ Morrison (born Oct. 10, 2000) Isobel aka Fat Girl (born Feb. 7, 2007) Ash (born July 11, 2007, diagnosed FeLV+ July 28, 2008) On Jul 29, 2008, at 11:59 PM, Marylyn wrote: Dixie came to me as a grown throw away who had been on her own for a long time. She found her way to my Mom's where she hung out with the ferals who came for food, water and shelter. For three years and 12 days she had everything a little cat could want. She became the owner of a farm in rural Ky with a large sunroom, window sills, deer, turkey and windows everywhere; Christmas trees that stayed up for months just because she liked to sleep under them; a large bed with pillows and dolls...everything a little cat could want, even things she didn't know about when she came into my life. She had the best regular and holist medical care available from the day I found out that she was FeLV+ and was so wonderfully healthy that I believed she had beaten it. She remained healthy until a couple of days before she left this world. When she left she was beside me, where she was always the safest, and in a Jeep that had taken her on many great adventures (she loved to travel between the farm and a home in Louisville). I have no regrets at all about having this wonderful little girl in my life. She taught me so much. Now, a month after she left, she has sent me a tiny kitten from the same pine thicket she came from. Apparently she thought this little one, who was alone just as she had been, should have everything too. There are no certainities in life. It sounds like you have a good grasp on the situation. This group has people knowledgeable in supplements that can help strengthen all your cats. Please listen to them and your heart. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Welcome to the list. I hope your original cats test negative, but it sounds like Ash is in good shape. If he's made it over a year his chances of getting sick are much less! tonya Jennifer Lynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone. My name is Jennifer and I live in New Jersey. My one year old male kitty, Ash, was just diagnosed with FeLV yesterday. I also have two other cats, Morrison and Isobel, and they've been living with Ash for a year (I've had him since birth). He's blind in one eye and has developmental problems in his back area, but other than the obvious (his illness), he's a very happy, content, sweet and playful boy! Very talkative as well, especially in the morning! He's all black with tiny white hairs throughout his coat that you need to really look to see. He eats like a pig and right now, seems healthy. He's getting fixed in a month (that's the soonest my vet could get him in) and my other two cats are being tested for FeLV in two weeks and if they test negative (which I really hope is the case), they're getting vaccinated. My oldest, Morrison, was supposedly vaccinated two years ago, but they have no record of it at my vet's office, though they told me he was vaccinated when I took him for his shots two years ago. I am looking forward to chatting with you all and I really wish all the best for you and your kitties! PS - can we share pictures of our cats on here? - Jennifer (and Ash too!) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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and by this time, the other two have been well exposed, and it''s sort of a moot point--the odds are very high that they'll be negative, and if not, will it make a huge difference, other than in the way you treat them medically? will you love them differently? i doubt that you will--it'll just give you information on what things to look for. FeLV+ cats are just cats, until and if the virus is activated. good food, good love, as stressfree an environment as possible--these are the things we know of that can help keep that from happening. look into the supplements that are well researched and documented, FeLVs get sick just as normal cats do, and get treated and get well, without it always having to have to be related to the FeLV--just breathe, and learn, and enjoy every minute you have with all of them: no living thing comes with a guarantee, after all. MC On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 8:17 AM, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Welcome to the list. I hope your original cats test negative, but it sounds like Ash is in good shape. If he's made it over a year his chances of getting sick are much less! tonya *Jennifer Lynn [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: Hi everyone. My name is Jennifer and I live in New Jersey. My one year old male kitty, Ash, was just diagnosed with FeLV yesterday. I also have two other cats, Morrison and Isobel, and they've been living with Ash for a year (I've had him since birth). He's blind in one eye and has developmental problems in his back area, but other than the obvious (his illness), he's a very happy, content, sweet and playful boy! Very talkative as well, especially in the morning! He's all black with tiny white hairs throughout his coat that you need to really look to see. He eats like a pig and right now, seems healthy. He's getting fixed in a month (that's the soonest my vet could get him in) and my other two cats are being tested for FeLV in two weeks and if they test negative (which I really hope is the case), they're getting vaccinated. My oldest, Morrison, was supposedly vaccinated two years ago, but they have no record of it at my vet's office, though they told me he was vaccinated when I took him for his shots two years ago. I am looking forward to chatting with you all and I really wish all the best for you and your kitties! PS - can we share pictures of our cats on here? - Jennifer (and Ash too!) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Thanks :) I really hope my other test negative, but if they don't, I will love them just the same. Jennifer ~ loving mama to ~ Morrison (born Oct. 10, 2000) Isobel aka Fat Girl (born Feb. 7, 2007) Ash (born July 11, 2007, diagnosed FeLV+ July 28, 2008) --- On Thu, 7/31/08, MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] New member here To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, July 31, 2008, 5:31 PM and by this time, the other two have been well exposed, and it''s sort of a moot point--the odds are very high that they'll be negative, and if not, will it make a huge difference, other than in the way you treat them medically? will you love them differently? i doubt that you will--it'll just give you information on what things to look for. FeLV+ cats are just cats, until and if the virus is activated. good food, good love, as stressfree an environment as possible--these are the things we know of that can help keep that from happening. look into the supplements that are well researched and documented, FeLVs get sick just as normal cats do, and get treated and get well, without it always having to have to be related to the FeLV--just breathe, and learn, and enjoy every minute you have with all of them: no living thing comes with a guarantee, after all. MC On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 8:17 AM, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Welcome to the list. I hope your original cats test negative, but it sounds like Ash is in good shape. If he's made it over a year his chances of getting sick are much less! tonya Jennifer Lynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone. My name is Jennifer and I live in New Jersey. My one year old male kitty, Ash, was just diagnosed with FeLV yesterday. I also have two other cats, Morrison and Isobel, and they've been living with Ash for a year (I've had him since birth). He's blind in one eye and has developmental problems in his back area, but other than the obvious (his illness), he's a very happy, content, sweet and playful boy! Very talkative as well, especially in the morning! He's all black with tiny white hairs throughout his coat that you need to really look to see. He eats like a pig and right now, seems healthy. He's getting fixed in a month (that's the soonest my vet could get him in) and my other two cats are being tested for FeLV in two weeks and if they test negative (which I really hope is the case), they're getting vaccinated. My oldest, Morrison, was supposedly vaccinated two years ago, but they have no record of it at my vet's office, though they told me he was vaccinated when I took him for his shots two years ago. I am looking forward to chatting with you all and I really wish all the best for you and your kitties! PS - can we share pictures of our cats on here? - Jennifer (and Ash too!) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Jennifer, I am glad that you are taking such good care of Ash. I don't get the time to post to the list often, but am willing to take telephone calls for advise. I am a 1974 Ohio State University grad in Animal Science and have my Masters work in Animal Nutrition and Physiology...with over 30 plus years experience and additional study as an Animal Scientist (Physiology/Pathology) and Nutritionist. I have worked with many FeLV cats. I now work mainly holistically, but also advise the use of traditional veterinary medications along with the natural. I can work with your veterinarian if you so wish. If you, or your veterinarian, would like to give me a call, I can answer any questions you may have and hopefully help you on your way to better health with your kitty. Let me know the best time to reach you by phone if I am not available when you call. There is no charge for my services or suggestions to anyone on this list.My email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] My other contact info is following. Looking forward to speaking with you. (This invitation also goes out to anyone one this list that is in need of help.) P.S. below, please read. Karen Griffith Karen Griffith Farms 34440 State Route 7 Pomeroy, Ohio 45769 Phone: 740-992-5782 Website: www.karengriffith.com Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you would put 'Old Tom' in your prayers, it would be appreciated. He was 25 years old 'I knew this for sure as I had him for 20 years', and had judged him at at least 10 by his teeth when I castrated him and did his teeth. He died in the lightning storm we had here last week. He was FeLV positive for the last 10 yrs, and had endured other severe problems, but was in great health at his 'untimely' demise. You all will think I'm crazy for being upset at losing him this way, but it was storming too severely to go out in the lightning storm and hail to get him in...I had just let him outside 15 minutes before the storm suddenly rolled in. There were over 100mph straight line winds, many huge trees down, power lines, structural damage, etc. I miss him terribly. I have 25 cats I am taking care of, but 'The Old Man' was special. He was a tough, proud old guy. There are a lot of good stories about him. (I started to tell a few, but decided to leave it at that). I just miss him. The neighbor lost 2 horses in the storm as wellall 70 head of my horses came through OK. - Original Message - From: Jennifer Lynn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 8:13 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] New member here Hi everyone. My name is Jennifer and I live in New Jersey. My one year old male kitty, Ash, was just diagnosed with FeLV yesterday. I also have two other cats, Morrison and Isobel, and they've been living with Ash for a year (I've had him since birth). He's blind in one eye and has developmental problems in his back area, but other than the obvious (his illness), he's a very happy, content, sweet and playful boy! Very talkative as well, especially in the morning! He's all black with tiny white hairs throughout his coat that you need to really look to see. He eats like a pig and right now, seems healthy. He's getting fixed in a month (that's the soonest my vet could get him in) and my other two cats are being tested for FeLV in two weeks and if they test negative (which I really hope is the case), they're getting vaccinated. My oldest, Morrison, was supposedly vaccinated two years ago, but they have no record of it at my vet's office, though they told me he was vaccinated when I took him for his shots two years ago. I am looking forward to chatting with you all and I really wish all the best for you and your kitties! PS - can we share pictures of our cats on here? - Jennifer (and Ash too!) -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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On Jul 30, 2008, at 6:26 AM, Marylyn wrote: It doesn't matter how old they are when they leave.it breaks your heart. However, he left loved and cared for. The comfort in that. And he added so much to your life. On Jul 30, 2008, at 2:20 AM, Karen Griffith wrote: Jennifer, I am glad that you are taking such good care of Ash. I don't get the time to post to the list often, but am willing to take telephone calls for advise. I am a 1974 Ohio State University grad in Animal Science and have my Masters work in Animal Nutrition and Physiology...with over 30 plus years experience and additional study as an Animal Scientist (Physiology/Pathology) and Nutritionist. I have worked with many FeLV cats. I now work mainly holistically, but also advise the use of traditional veterinary medications along with the natural. I can work with your veterinarian if you so wish. If you, or your veterinarian, would like to give me a call, I can answer any questions you may have and hopefully help you on your way to better health with your kitty. Let me know the best time to reach you by phone if I am not available when you call. There is no charge for my services or suggestions to anyone on this list.My email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] . My other contact info is following. Looking forward to speaking with you. (This invitation also goes out to anyone one this list that is in need of help.) P.S. below, please read. Karen Griffith Karen Griffith Farms 34440 State Route 7 Pomeroy, Ohio 45769 Phone: 740-992-5782 Website: www.karengriffith.com Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you would put 'Old Tom' in your prayers, it would be appreciated. He was 25 years old 'I knew this for sure as I had him for 20 years', and had judged him at at least10 by his teeth when I castrated him and did his teeth. He died in the lightning storm we had here last week. He was FeLV positive for the last 10 yrs, and had endured other severe problems, but was in great health at his 'untimely' demise. You all will think I'm crazy for being upset at losing him this way, but it was storming too severely to go out in the lightning storm and hail to get him in...I had just let him outside 15 minutes before the storm suddenly rolled in. There were over 100mph straight line winds, many huge trees down, power lines, structural damage, etc. I miss him terribly. I have 25 cats I am taking care of, but 'The Old Man' was special. He was a tough, proud old guy. There are a lot of good stories about him. (I started to tell a few, but decided to leave it at that). I just miss him. The neighbor lost 2 horses in the storm as wellall 70 head of my horses came through OK. - ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Karen, Old Tom is definitely in our prayers. It sounds like he had a wonderful life with you for these last 20 yrs. Glad all your other critters made it through the storm OK. Sharyl Sissy Rocket and Daisy's Babies If you would put 'Old Tom' in your prayers, it would be appreciated. He was 25 years old 'I knew this for sure as I had him for 20 years', and had judged him at at least 10 by his teeth when I castrated him and did his teeth. He died in the lightning storm we had here last week. He was FeLV positive for the last 10 yrs, and had endured other severe problems, but was in great health at his 'untimely' demise. You all will think I'm crazy for being upset at losing him this way, but it was storming too severely to go out in the lightning storm and hail to get him in...I had just let him outside 15 minutes before the storm suddenly rolled in. There were over 100mph straight line winds, many huge trees down, power lines, structural damage, etc. I miss him terribly. I have 25 cats I am taking care of, but 'The Old Man' was special. He was a tough, proud old guy. There are a lot of good stories about him. (I started to tell a few, but decided to leave it at that). I just miss him. The neighbor lost 2 horses in the storm as wellall 70 head of my horses came through OK. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Karen I am so sorry to hear of your precious Tom leaving this world.It is a tribute to you that he lived such a long life. I know you will miss him Hugs Sally ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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That's such a touching story...brought tears to my eyes. What is your new kitty's name? Hopefully she's with you for a very long time :) Jennifer ~ loving mama to ~ Morrison (born Oct. 10, 2000) Isobel aka Fat Girl (born Feb. 7, 2007) Ash (born July 11, 2007, diagnosed FeLV+ July 28, 2008) --- On Wed, 7/30/08, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] New member here To: Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, July 30, 2008, 5:31 AM On Jul 29, 2008, at 11:59 PM, Marylyn wrote: Dixie came to me as a grown throw away who had been on her own for a long time. She found her way to my Mom's where she hung out with the ferals who came for food, water and shelter. For three years and 12 days she had everything a little cat could want. She became the owner of a farm in rural Ky with a large sunroom, window sills, deer, turkey and windows everywhere; Christmas trees that stayed up for months just because she liked to sleep under them; a large bed with pillows and dolls...everything a little cat could want, even things she didn't know about when she came into my life. She had the best regular and holist medical care available from the day I found out that she was FeLV+ and was so wonderfully healthy that I believed she had beaten it. She remained healthy until a couple of days before she left this world. When she left she was beside me, where she was always the safest, and in a Jeep that had taken her on many great adventures (she loved to travel between the farm and a home in Louisville).. I have no regrets at all about having this wonderful little girl in my life. She taught me so much. Now, a month after she left, she has sent me a tiny kitten from the same pine thicket she came from. Apparently she thought this little one, who was alone just as she had been, should have everything too. There are no certainities in life. It sounds like you have a good grasp on the situation. This group has people knowledgeable in supplements that can help strengthen all your cats. Please listen to them and your heart. On Jul 29, 2008, at 7:52 PM, Jennifer Lynn wrote: Thank you for responding. I am going to concentrate on keeping Ash (and my other kitties) as healthy as possible. I've been feeding them better food for months now...Eukenuba Naturals. They really like it and it helps with their urine and feces (they don't smell as much!). I keep their litter box clean at all times and they always have fresh, cold water. I am very observant of them and I try to give them all the love possible. I am just going to deal with this as it comes and treat Ash like a normal cat (like I've been doing his whole life) and keep on giving him all the love I can :) I am sorry to hear about your Dixie :( She's in kitty heaven now and nothing can hurt her :) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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She doesn't have a name yet. The right one will come. However, she got a new brother this morning, Another little one came out of the pine thicket a few days ago. He was extremely weak two days ago. I started feeding him chicken breast Monday and Tuesday. That livened him up a little. I put this little one in her carrier on the patio. He came to investigate. I suspect the conversation revolved around food, toys, food, dry sleeping quarters, food, kind words, foodHe was not skittish at all and came within about 3 inches of getting in the carrier by himself. He got close enough that I could safely get him in a carrier and haul him to the vets'. They may be litter mates. They are both too young to test for FeLV but, to be honest, even if they test + (and I am sure they won't) they will have EVERYYTHHHINGGG all their days. I just have to adjust to having kittens. I have never raised any.I always found them homes and kept older cats. :))) At the first opportunity both will see a holistic vet, Dr. Betty Boswelll, in Louisville for a general checkup. I am going to start both on various supplements, especially colostrum, just to aid in their development. They, like all the critters who have blessed my life, have had a rough start. Again, please listen to the people on this list and take what seems right for you and yours. Some believe in holistic/alternative care, some believe in conventional care, some, like me, believe in a combination. Some believe in communicators, others don't. It is a good variety and the range of experiences is impressive. Pick your path but do not be afraid to veer from it. Just make your decisions with both your heart and your head. It worked with the Royal Princess Kitty Katt and it worked with Dixie Louise. It will work with these two and it will work for you. On Jul 30, 2008, at 12:59 PM, Jennifer wrote: That's such a touching story...brought tears to my eyes. What is your new kitty's name? Hopefully she's with you for a very long time :) Jennifer ~ loving mama to ~ Morrison (born Oct. 10, 2000) Isobel aka Fat Girl (born Feb. 7, 2007) Ash (born July 11, 2007, diagnosed FeLV+ July 28, 2008) --- On Wed, 7/30/08, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] New member here To: Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, July 30, 2008, 5:31 AM On Jul 29, 2008, at 11:59 PM, Marylyn wrote: Dixie came to me as a grown throw away who had been on her own for a long time. She found her way to my Mom's where she hung out with the ferals who came for food, water and shelter. For three years and 12 days she had everything a little cat could want. She became the owner of a farm in rural Ky with a large sunroom, window sills, deer, turkey and windows everywhere; Christmas trees that stayed up for months just because she liked to sleep under them; a large bed with pillows and dolls...everything a little cat could want, even things she didn't know about when she came into my life. She had the best regular and holist medical care available from the day I found out that she was FeLV+ and was so wonderfully healthy that I believed she had beaten it. She remained healthy until a couple of days before she left this world. When she left she was beside me, where she was always the safest, and in a Jeep that had taken her on many great adventures (she loved to travel between the farm and a home in Louisville). I have no regrets at all about having this wonderful little girl in my life. She taught me so much. Now, a month after she left, she has sent me a tiny kitten from the same pine thicket she came from. Apparently she thought this little one, who was alone just as she had been, should have everything too. There are no certainities in life. It sounds like you have a good grasp on the situation. This group has people knowledgeable in supplements that can help strengthen all your cats. Please listen to them and your heart. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hi everyone. My name is Jennifer and I live in New Jersey. My one year old male kitty, Ash, was just diagnosed with FeLV yesterday. I also have two other cats, Morrison and Isobel, and they've been living with Ash for a year (I've had him since birth). He's blind in one eye and has developmental problems in his back area, but other than the obvious (his illness), he's a very happy, content, sweet and playful boy! Very talkative as well, especially in the morning! He's all black with tiny white hairs throughout his coat that you need to really look to see. He eats like a pig and right now, seems healthy. He's getting fixed in a month (that's the soonest my vet could get him in) and my other two cats are being tested for FeLV in two weeks and if they test negative (which I really hope is the case), they're getting vaccinated. My oldest, Morrison, was supposedly vaccinated two years ago, but they have no record of it at my vet's office, though they told me he was vaccinated when I took him for his shots two years ago. I am looking forward to chatting with you all and I really wish all the best for you and your kitties! PS - can we share pictures of our cats on here? - Jennifer (and Ash too!) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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This is a hard one but remember that there is nothing certain in this world and do not obsess over the diagnosis. Concentrate on the wonderful friends you have and enjoy your lives together. Give all the cats the best food you can and give them the supplements that seem right to you. If you have a holistic/alternative vet available, consider checking her out. I had a little over three wonderful years with Dixie. She wasn't sick until a few days before she left this world. I hope you enjoy a lot more years than I had but I would never, ever give up one minute with Dixie Louise...not for anything. The time I had with this wonderful being was worth any price. Listen to the members of this group. They are great. Good luck and all the blessings possible to you and all your little friends. On Jul 29, 2008, at 7:13 PM, Jennifer Lynn wrote: Hi everyone. My name is Jennifer and I live in New Jersey. My one year old male kitty, Ash, was just diagnosed with FeLV yesterday. I also have two other cats, Morrison and Isobel, and they've been living with Ash for a year (I've had him since birth). He's blind in one eye and has developmental problems in his back area, but other than the obvious (his illness), he's a very happy, content, sweet and playful boy! Very talkative as well, especially in the morning! He's all black with tiny white hairs throughout his coat that you need to really look to see. He eats like a pig and right now, seems healthy. He's getting fixed in a month (that's the soonest my vet could get him in) and my other two cats are being tested for FeLV in two weeks and if they test negative (which I really hope is the case), they're getting vaccinated. My oldest, Morrison, was supposedly vaccinated two years ago, but they have no record of it at my vet's office, though they told me he was vaccinated when I took him for his shots two years ago. I am looking forward to chatting with you all and I really wish all the best for you and your kitties! PS - can we share pictures of our cats on here? - Jennifer (and Ash too!) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Thank you for responding. I am going to concentrate on keeping Ash (and my other kitties) as healthy as possible. I've been feeding them better food for months now...Eukenuba Naturals. They really like it and it helps with their urine and feces (they don't smell as much!). I keep their litter box clean at all times and they always have fresh, cold water. I am very observant of them and I try to give them all the love possible. I am just going to deal with this as it comes and treat Ash like a normal cat (like I've been doing his whole life) and keep on giving him all the love I can :) I am sorry to hear about your Dixie :( She's in kitty heaven now and nothing can hurt her :) --- On Wed, 7/30/08, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] New member here To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, July 30, 2008, 12:26 AM This is a hard one but remember that there is nothing certain in this world and do not obsess over the diagnosis. Concentrate on the wonderful friends you have and enjoy your lives together. Give all the cats the best food you can and give them the supplements that seem right to you. If you have a holistic/alternative vet available, consider checking her out. I had a little over three wonderful years with Dixie. She wasn't sick until a few days before she left this world. I hope you enjoy a lot more years than I had but I would never, ever give up one minute with Dixie Louise...not for anything. The time I had with this wonderful being was worth any price. Listen to the members of this group. They are great. Good luck and all the blessings possible to you and all your little friends.. On Jul 29, 2008, at 7:13 PM, Jennifer Lynn wrote: Hi everyone. My name is Jennifer and I live in New Jersey. My one year old male kitty, Ash, was just diagnosed with FeLV yesterday. I also have two other cats, Morrison and Isobel, and they've been living with Ash for a year (I've had him since birth). He's blind in one eye and has developmental problems in his back area, but other than the obvious (his illness), he's a very happy, content, sweet and playful boy! Very talkative as well, especially in the morning! He's all black with tiny white hairs throughout his coat that you need to really look to see. He eats like a pig and right now, seems healthy. He's getting fixed in a month (that's the soonest my vet could get him in) and my other two cats are being tested for FeLV in two weeks and if they test negative (which I really hope is the case), they're getting vaccinated. My oldest, Morrison, was supposedly vaccinated two years ago, but they have no record of it at my vet's office, though they told me he was vaccinated when I took him for his shots two years ago. I am looking forward to chatting with you all and I really wish all the best for you and your kitties! PS - can we share pictures of our cats on here? - Jennifer (and Ash too!) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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On Jul 29, 2008, at 11:59 PM, Marylyn wrote: Dixie came to me as a grown throw away who had been on her own for a long time. She found her way to my Mom's where she hung out with the ferals who came for food, water and shelter. For three years and 12 days she had everything a little cat could want. She became the owner of a farm in rural Ky with a large sunroom, window sills, deer, turkey and windows everywhere; Christmas trees that stayed up for months just because she liked to sleep under them; a large bed with pillows and dolls...everything a little cat could want, even things she didn't know about when she came into my life. She had the best regular and holist medical care available from the day I found out that she was FeLV+ and was so wonderfully healthy that I believed she had beaten it. She remained healthy until a couple of days before she left this world. When she left she was beside me, where she was always the safest, and in a Jeep that had taken her on many great adventures (she loved to travel between the farm and a home in Louisville). I have no regrets at all about having this wonderful little girl in my life. She taught me so much. Now, a month after she left, she has sent me a tiny kitten from the same pine thicket she came from. Apparently she thought this little one, who was alone just as she had been, should have everything too. There are no certainities in life. It sounds like you have a good grasp on the situation. This group has people knowledgeable in supplements that can help strengthen all your cats. Please listen to them and your heart. On Jul 29, 2008, at 7:52 PM, Jennifer Lynn wrote: Thank you for responding. I am going to concentrate on keeping Ash (and my other kitties) as healthy as possible. I've been feeding them better food for months now...Eukenuba Naturals. They really like it and it helps with their urine and feces (they don't smell as much!). I keep their litter box clean at all times and they always have fresh, cold water. I am very observant of them and I try to give them all the love possible. I am just going to deal with this as it comes and treat Ash like a normal cat (like I've been doing his whole life) and keep on giving him all the love I can :) I am sorry to hear about your Dixie :( She's in kitty heaven now and nothing can hurt her :) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hello! I just wanted to introduce myself and my FIV+ Boy MM. This whole FIV thing is very new to us and we would love any advice about it. MM was a stray. My neighbor started feeding him and when thy moved we took over. When we decided to move we took him with us. Having more room we wanted to make him part of our rag tag crew. We kept him separate from the other cats we have and got him tested. That's when we got the sad news. We waited a year and got him retested and he is still positive. But we still want to bring him into the house(he's in a camper right now). I would love to hear about anyone experiences with this and what steps to take to keep everyone safe. Thanks! PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Welcome, you will find this group very helpful. If he is FIV not FeLV then you are better off. FIV cats live long lives with some health issues. FIV is mostly spread through bites. So as long as he is neutered and does not fight you should be able to mix him assuming he has FIV and not FeLV. Good nutrition is important in either case feed the best you can afford, reduce stress and love him. There is a great FIV group in the yahoo groups. it is FIVhealthscience you may want to join that group as well Sally On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 1:58 PM, April and Jay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello! I just wanted to introduce myself and my FIV+ Boy MM. This whole FIV thing is very new to us and we would love any advice about it. MM was a stray. My neighbor started feeding him and when thy moved we took over. When we decided to move we took him with us. Having more room we wanted to make him part of our rag tag crew. We kept him separate from the other cats we have and got him tested. That's when we got the sad news. We waited a year and got him retested and he is still positive. But we still want to bring him into the house(he's in a camper right now). I would love to hear about anyone experiences with this and what steps to take to keep everyone safe. Thanks! PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior(angel), Tiny(angel) Fluffy(soulmate angel), Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior (newest) I call him JJ , Silver, and Spike Please Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are welcome to sign up. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Is he felv (leukemia) positive or fiv positive? Welcome to the group! t April and Jay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello! I just wanted to introduce myself and my FIV+ Boy MM. This whole FIV thing is very new to us and we would love any advice about it. MM was a stray. My neighbor started feeding him and when thy moved we took over. When we decided to move we took him with us. Having more room we wanted to make him part of our rag tag crew. We kept him separate from the other cats we have and got him tested. That's when we got the sad news. We waited a year and got him retested and he is still positive. But we still want to bring him into the house(he's in a camper right now). I would love to hear about anyone experiences with this and what steps to take to keep everyone safe. Thanks! PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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It's a joy to read about Snowy's turnaround. What a lucky little soul she is to have found you Lynne! But the vet ..he should remember that the little furball on his exam table is his CLIENT. Bad is not a word that should come into his head never mind come out of his mouth. She was obviously terrified of him and his set-up. G. hugs, Kerry From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 9:03 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: New Member Laurie, I totally agree with you about herpes and stress level. I told you folks about the rescued Persian, Snowy, I adopted. She was a very sick girl for 2 months and the foster mom got her healthy. Her eyes were swollen shut and she also had a URI. Since we've had her we have done everything humanly possible to make her life happy and stress free and she is absolutely thriving. Her one eye apparently has a bit of scarring but you would never know this poor little thing ever had a problem. We have had to delay her spaying because we discovered she had a toenail that had grown into her pad and needed surgery. She was so hysterical at the vets that she needed to be sedated. There was fear of her losing her one pad but she's recovered beautifully and on her return visit to the vet he was amazed that new skin was growing and after two weeks now there is a very small black scab left. She also was a perfect little lady at the return visit unlike the first time when the vet referred to her as a very bad kitty. Good diet and a stress free life are so important to these cats. She is now on L-lysine as a supplement as you suggested. I don't know if she really needs it but it certainly doesn't hurt. I so hope things continue to go as well as they have for her. She seems to be the happiest, most playful cat we've ever had. Lynne - Original Message - From: laurieskatz mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 9:44 PM Subject: Re: New Member Welcome Laura and Laura! L- lysine is great for herpes. You might want to join the feline herpes group, too. Those kitties can have eye and mouth problems. Winston (probable herpes) also has unexplained high fevers and anorexia on rare occasions - it is touch and go at those time. For herpes, the main thing to to keep their stress level low (for FeLV, too). The feline acne group has lots of info on allergies (the fur loss could be allergies or stress grooming). Check out www.catinfo.org for food info. This site belongs to a veterinarian who also does rescue. She likes Wellness and suggests the grain free diets. The best food I have found for mine is Petguard turkey and barley lite. All five like it and all seem to be thriving on it. Of course, it does have grains. I feed it because Frankie had panreatitis and needed a low fat food. Good luck and I hope others may have more insight into your combination of issues (ps my Frankie is blind) Laurie - Original Message - From: Belinda Sauro mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 7:30 PM Subject: New Member I'm posting for Laura because she can't subscribe, list problems, Jim is working on them. You can post on the list to answer she is going to read the archives for answers! Her message is below: -- Hi All, I've tried subscribing to this list but for some reason the form won't go through. I've sent an e-mail to the list holder. I figured for now, I'll just read from the archives but would like to introduce myself to you all :) My name is Laura, I live in Jersey and currently have 7 wonderful kitties. My newest family member is FeLV+, 2 years old, and also named Laura, (I'll fill you in on that in a bit) she is blind (very bad herpes infection as a kitten) has one bad eye and the other was removed last year. Her background: About 2 years ago my neighbor and I had to clean up a colony down the street from us of about 50 cats and kittens, we had them all fixed, some were TNR'd and the adoptables were given to a local rescue to find homes. I fostered all the kittens except 2 which who went straight to my vets office since they had eye issues, and I knew the rescue I deal with would not take them and try to place them. The kittens were named Laura and Dave, and tested Neg for FeLV. About a 3rd of this colony tested Pos, so we knew it was in the colony...but all the kittens were
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* I'm posting for Laura because she can't subscribe, list problems, Jim is working on them. You can post on the list to answer she is going to read the archives for answers! Her message is below:* -- Hi All, I've tried subscribing to this list but for some reason the form won't go through. I've sent an e-mail to the list holder. I figured for now, I'll just read from the archives but would like to introduce myself to you all :) My name is Laura, I live in Jersey and currently have 7 wonderful kitties. My newest family member is FeLV+, 2 years old, and also named Laura, (I'll fill you in on that in a bit) she is blind (very bad herpes infection as a kitten) has one bad eye and the other was removed last year. Her background: About 2 years ago my neighbor and I had to clean up a colony down the street from us of about 50 cats and kittens, we had them all fixed, some were TNR'd and the adoptables were given to a local rescue to find homes. I fostered all the kittens except 2 which who went straight to my vets office since they had eye issues, and I knew the rescue I deal with would not take them and try to place them. The kittens were named Laura and Dave, and tested Neg for FeLV. About a 3rd of this colony tested Pos, so we knew it was in the colony...but all the kittens were testing Neg. I ended up keeping one of the kittens (Rusty) and had him tested 3 times, because one of the kittens we adopted out later tested positive when the family vet tested her.Anyway, Laura and Dave lived at my vets for the past 2 years with several other cats. My vet took Dave home several months ago and Laura started having problems with a new cat that was bullying her. I found out about it and offered to take Laura, since I already have a blind cat and have no problem with it. I brought her home and put her in a room with a screen door, so she could smell my other cats and get to know them without any issues, plus I work long hours and didn't want her wandering around my house unsupervised yet. My vet had sent out an IFA test for Laura just to be sure she was Neg, at my request. Well, it came back positive. She then did snap tests on cats that were living with Laura and 2 were also positive (ironically the bully is pos too). She also tested Dave who is living with her and he was pos. So, for now I'm keeping Laura in her own room with the screen door, I also put up a baby gate so that she can't dart out when I go in and out of the room, that would be disastrous when I'm leaving for work at 5:30 amI just don't have time. Aside from the FeLV, Laura also has herpes, and has lots of bald patches which my vet thinks is from the stress of living with the bully. I'm not so sure, so I put her on Wellness instead of the crappy fancy feast she was eating to see if it might be food related? I don't know, I'm hoping in time, she'll settle in and her fur will grow back, she is a beautiful tortie. That's our story, sorry so long! I just wanted to say hello and ask if you all had any advice, especially when it comes to food for these kittiesSince I have Laura confined, I can feed her anything. I'm going to start putting L-lysine in her food for the herpes but is there anything else I should be giving her? I don't want to throw too much at her at once, her stools are lovely and I don't want to mess that up, and also want to see how her coat reacts to these small changes. Thanks in advance~! Laura -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com
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Welcome Laura and Laura! L- lysine is great for herpes. You might want to join the feline herpes group, too. Those kitties can have eye and mouth problems. Winston (probable herpes) also has unexplained high fevers and anorexia on rare occasions - it is touch and go at those time. For herpes, the main thing to to keep their stress level low (for FeLV, too). The feline acne group has lots of info on allergies (the fur loss could be allergies or stress grooming). Check out www.catinfo.org for food info. This site belongs to a veterinarian who also does rescue. She likes Wellness and suggests the grain free diets. The best food I have found for mine is Petguard turkey and barley lite. All five like it and all seem to be thriving on it. Of course, it does have grains. I feed it because Frankie had panreatitis and needed a low fat food. Good luck and I hope others may have more insight into your combination of issues (ps my Frankie is blind) Laurie - Original Message - From: Belinda Sauro To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 7:30 PM Subject: New Member I'm posting for Laura because she can't subscribe, list problems, Jim is working on them. You can post on the list to answer she is going to read the archives for answers! Her message is below: -- Hi All, I've tried subscribing to this list but for some reason the form won't go through. I've sent an e-mail to the list holder. I figured for now, I'll just read from the archives but would like to introduce myself to you all :) My name is Laura, I live in Jersey and currently have 7 wonderful kitties. My newest family member is FeLV+, 2 years old, and also named Laura, (I'll fill you in on that in a bit) she is blind (very bad herpes infection as a kitten) has one bad eye and the other was removed last year. Her background: About 2 years ago my neighbor and I had to clean up a colony down the street from us of about 50 cats and kittens, we had them all fixed, some were TNR'd and the adoptables were given to a local rescue to find homes. I fostered all the kittens except 2 which who went straight to my vets office since they had eye issues, and I knew the rescue I deal with would not take them and try to place them. The kittens were named Laura and Dave, and tested Neg for FeLV. About a 3rd of this colony tested Pos, so we knew it was in the colony...but all the kittens were testing Neg. I ended up keeping one of the kittens (Rusty) and had him tested 3 times, because one of the kittens we adopted out later tested positive when the family vet tested her.Anyway, Laura and Dave lived at my vets for the past 2 years with several other cats. My vet took Dave home several months ago and Laura started having problems with a new cat that was bullying her. I found out about it and offered to take Laura, since I already have a blind cat and have no problem with it. I brought her home and put her in a room with a screen door, so she could smell my other cats and get to know them without any issues, plus I work long hours and didn't want her wandering around my house unsupervised yet. My vet had sent out an IFA test for Laura just to be sure she was Neg, at my request. Well, it came back positive. She then did snap tests on cats that were living with Laura and 2 were also positive (ironically the bully is pos too). She also tested Dave who is living with her and he was pos. So, for now I'm keeping Laura in her own room with the screen door, I also put up a baby gate so that she can't dart out when I go in and out of the room, that would be disastrous when I'm leaving for work at 5:30 amI just don't have time. Aside from the FeLV, Laura also has herpes, and has lots of bald patches which my vet thinks is from the stress of living with the bully. I'm not so sure, so I put her on Wellness instead of the crappy fancy feast she was eating to see if it might be food related? I don't know, I'm hoping in time, she'll settle in and her fur will grow back, she is a beautiful tortie. That's our story, sorry so long! I just wanted to say hello and ask if you all had any advice, especially when it comes to food for these kittiesSince I have Laura confined, I can feed her anything. I'm going to start putting L-lysine in her food for the herpes but is there anything else I should be giving her? I don't want to throw too much at her at once, her stools are lovely and I don't want to mess that up, and also want to see how her coat reacts to these small changes. Thanks in advance~! Laura -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com
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Laurie, I totally agree with you about herpes and stress level. I told you folks about the rescued Persian, Snowy, I adopted. She was a very sick girl for 2 months and the foster mom got her healthy. Her eyes were swollen shut and she also had a URI. Since we've had her we have done everything humanly possible to make her life happy and stress free and she is absolutely thriving. Her one eye apparently has a bit of scarring but you would never know this poor little thing ever had a problem. We have had to delay her spaying because we discovered she had a toenail that had grown into her pad and needed surgery. She was so hysterical at the vets that she needed to be sedated. There was fear of her losing her one pad but she's recovered beautifully and on her return visit to the vet he was amazed that new skin was growing and after two weeks now there is a very small black scab left. She also was a perfect little lady at the return visit unlike the first time when the vet referred to her as a very bad kitty. Good diet and a stress free life are so important to these cats. She is now on L-lysine as a supplement as you suggested. I don't know if she really needs it but it certainly doesn't hurt. I so hope things continue to go as well as they have for her. She seems to be the happiest, most playful cat we've ever had. Lynne - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 9:44 PM Subject: Re: New Member Welcome Laura and Laura! L- lysine is great for herpes. You might want to join the feline herpes group, too. Those kitties can have eye and mouth problems. Winston (probable herpes) also has unexplained high fevers and anorexia on rare occasions - it is touch and go at those time. For herpes, the main thing to to keep their stress level low (for FeLV, too). The feline acne group has lots of info on allergies (the fur loss could be allergies or stress grooming). Check out www.catinfo.org for food info. This site belongs to a veterinarian who also does rescue. She likes Wellness and suggests the grain free diets. The best food I have found for mine is Petguard turkey and barley lite. All five like it and all seem to be thriving on it. Of course, it does have grains. I feed it because Frankie had panreatitis and needed a low fat food. Good luck and I hope others may have more insight into your combination of issues (ps my Frankie is blind) Laurie - Original Message - From: Belinda Sauro To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 7:30 PM Subject: New Member I'm posting for Laura because she can't subscribe, list problems, Jim is working on them. You can post on the list to answer she is going to read the archives for answers! Her message is below: -- Hi All, I've tried subscribing to this list but for some reason the form won't go through. I've sent an e-mail to the list holder. I figured for now, I'll just read from the archives but would like to introduce myself to you all :) My name is Laura, I live in Jersey and currently have 7 wonderful kitties. My newest family member is FeLV+, 2 years old, and also named Laura, (I'll fill you in on that in a bit) she is blind (very bad herpes infection as a kitten) has one bad eye and the other was removed last year. Her background: About 2 years ago my neighbor and I had to clean up a colony down the street from us of about 50 cats and kittens, we had them all fixed, some were TNR'd and the adoptables were given to a local rescue to find homes. I fostered all the kittens except 2 which who went straight to my vets office since they had eye issues, and I knew the rescue I deal with would not take them and try to place them. The kittens were named Laura and Dave, and tested Neg for FeLV. About a 3rd of this colony tested Pos, so we knew it was in the colony...but all the kittens were testing Neg. I ended up keeping one of the kittens (Rusty) and had him tested 3 times, because one of the kittens we adopted out later tested positive when the family vet tested her.Anyway, Laura and Dave lived at my vets for the past 2 years with several other cats. My vet took Dave home several months ago and Laura started having problems with a new cat that was bullying her. I found out about it and offered to take Laura, since I already have a blind cat and have no problem with it. I brought her home and put her in a room with a screen door, so she could smell my other cats and get to know them without any issues, plus I work long hours and didn't want her wandering around my house unsupervised yet. My vet had sent out an IFA test for Laura just to be sure she was Neg, at my request. Well, it came back positive. She then did snap tests on cats
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You might also try mixing pumpkin with wet food to help with the diarrhea. I have cats (and a dog) that get diarrhea on antibiotics. I admire what you've taken on. Good luck with all the cats you have rescued, and welcome to the list. tonya Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What a loving thing you've done! I do like interferon alpha, but find different vets sell it for different prices. I've found a less expensive source locally and generally give 1/2 cc daily to FELV cats that are less than 3 yrs old, or if they're sick like yours. I've been using veterinary (not grocery store) kaopectate for diarrhea lately and it's worked great - think it's good for coating the lining of the digestive tract. I started that because I ran out of Panacur, but it's working well. The latest formulation of Kaopectate that you get in the grocery and drugs stores contains an aspirin like substance that's harmful to cats. At Veterinarypartner.com, there's an article that says: The old form of Kaopectate contained only kaolin and pectin while later forms contained attapulgite, all of which were very safe in animals due to the lack of systemic absorption. However, Kaopectate has recently developed a new formula that contains the drug bismuth subsalicylate, a drug that can be toxic to cats. So we got some of the old formula from a vet, and it works well. Best of luck, Gloria On Feb 24, 2008, at 8:05 PM, whocares whocares wrote: To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgHi, This is my first post so please bear with me. I'm posting this through email. If there's a more efficient way please let me know. 2 weeks ago I took in 7 filthy, reeking, matted, very, very ill cats from a horrific shelter in the area. All were emaciated, dehydrated, infected eyes, URI's, ear mites/infections, severe diahrea, etc.. My vet didn't think they'd make it through the first night but here they are getting healthier by the day. Some still need injectable antibiotic combos daily but they are improving. One of these had severe gingivitis - very infected teeth that had to be dealt quickly. She survived the anaesthetic and had all except 4 teeth removed (her canines were sticking sideways out of her mouth they were so infected). She had a blood panel done and she tested positive for FeLV. Her other levels correlate with the positive diagnosis. She may be up to 8 yrs old? She has a severe URI which is improving. However, she has terrible diahrea. She is on a daily injectable antibiotic combo and also gets injectable B12 and injectable B complex. I have her on probiotics and Standard Process Whole Body Support. I have Collostrum. Do you recommend it and how much should I give her? She's tiny and fragile - 4 - 5 lbs now. Do you recommend Interferon? What else can I give her? She is isolated in a very large sunny warm bathroom and very happy and very active (even a bit hyper). She has gone from NASTY cat in the beginning to sweet cuddly lap cat now. Two of the others have been tested (awaiting results) and the other 4 will have blood panels this week. Some of these new cats are isolated together and some are isolated alone. My own cats and other permanent fosters I have are fragile and don't get vaxed - can't due to auto immune diseases, severe HCM, vaccinosis, etc. so the new ones have no contact with mine. Any and all suggestions, advice would be gratefully accepted. Thanks El -
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Lynne, Don't be so 'down'. I've seen cases like yours have a very happy ending and a very long life for your baby. Give me a call... Karen - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 10:14 PM Subject: Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli Thanl you Marylyn. I sometimes feel I am being a big whiner here. So many of you have dealt with far worse issues than I have and I do need to give my self a reality check and just get on with the living part. At this very point in time I simply cannot envision not having him around. I know this will not have a happy ending but I will do everything I can to make his life peaceful and enjoyable. We both just love him to pieces. - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 10:05 PM Subject: Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli It is so hard. I hope you have the luck I have had with Dixie. If you need to just vent and can figure out how to email me directly, please feel free. Again, don't let your frustration, anger, grief and all those other very understandable emotions, emotions we have all felt, cheat you of all the wonderful time you have with him. The time may be long or short but it is a very special time for you all. On Feb 24, 2008, at 8:53 PM, Lynne wrote: The new one today said we'd talk about it again after we got his cytology report back Marylyn. His primary care giver was the one who told my husband it would do him no good now. We aren't giving up on anything where this boy is concerned. This has just been a bad day for me. They took fluid from both sides of his chest today and he's lost a pound in less than a week. That may have been the fluid. He looks kind of pitiful with big chunks of his hair shaved away on both sides. I'm very upbeat when I go upstairs to see him but I'm near tears the rest of the time. I still don't think I have accepted this. Tomorrow will be another day, however. We did raise his dish today, actually just put it on a book and it just seems more comfortable for him to eat that way. Bob and I do manage to get a laugh every now and then with some of the ridiculous things we come up with to make him comfortable. The cat must think we're nuts. Lynne - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 9:45 PM Subject: Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli Lynne, Please check with another vet re the interferon. Vets have very different ideas on how and when to use it. Second opinions don't hurt anything. On Feb 24, 2008, at 8:34 PM, Lynne wrote: El, I am too new to this to give advice but I am sure you will be receiving many replies shortly by many knowledgeable people on this group. It sounds to me that you are doing every thing possible for these animals that can benefit them. The fact that your girl is around 8 years old may be an encouraging sign. Maybe the antibiotics are contributing to her diarrhea? and it is a temporary thing? I can't imagine what more you can do for her. She obviously seems happy which is a really important thing and of course it is necessary to keep yours isolated from the others. You'll need to ask your vet about the interferon. It could be useful. Apparently it has shown some favorable results. If I had that option now I would definitely try it but it's too late for my boy according to the vet. Sorry I can't be of help, I so admire you for what you have done for these animals. I'm sure others will come forward as soon as they see your email. Best of luck Lynne - Original Message - From: whocares whocares To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 9:05 PM Subject: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Hi, This is my first post so please bear with me. I'm posting this through email. If there's a more efficient way please let me know. 2 weeks ago I took in 7 filthy, reeking, matted, very, very ill cats from a horrific shelter in the area. All were emaciated, dehydrated, infected eyes, URI's, ear mites/infections, severe diahrea, etc.. My vet didn't think they'd make it through the first night but here they are getting healthier by the day. Some still need injectable antibiotic combos daily but they are improving. One of these had severe gingivitis - very infected teeth that had to be dealt quickly. She survived the anaesthetic and had all except 4 teeth removed (her canines were sticking sideways out of her mouth they were so infected). She had a blood panel done and she tested
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What a loving thing you've done! I do like interferon alpha, but find different vets sell it for different prices. I've found a less expensive source locally and generally give 1/2 cc daily to FELV cats that are less than 3 yrs old, or if they're sick like yours. I've been using veterinary (not grocery store) kaopectate for diarrhea lately and it's worked great - think it's good for coating the lining of the digestive tract. I started that because I ran out of Panacur, but it's working well. The latest formulation of Kaopectate that you get in the grocery and drugs stores contains an aspirin like substance that's harmful to cats. At Veterinarypartner.com, there's an article that says: The old form of Kaopectate contained only kaolin and pectin while later forms contained attapulgite, all of which were very safe in animals due to the lack of systemic absorption. However, Kaopectate has recently developed a new formula that contains the drug bismuth subsalicylate, a drug that can be toxic to cats. So we got some of the old formula from a vet, and it works well. Best of luck, Gloria On Feb 24, 2008, at 8:05 PM, whocares whocares wrote: To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Hi, This is my first post so please bear with me. I'm posting this through email. If there's a more efficient way please let me know. 2 weeks ago I took in 7 filthy, reeking, matted, very, very ill cats from a horrific shelter in the area. All were emaciated, dehydrated, infected eyes, URI's, ear mites/infections, severe diahrea, etc.. My vet didn't think they'd make it through the first night but here they are getting healthier by the day. Some still need injectable antibiotic combos daily but they are improving. One of these had severe gingivitis - very infected teeth that had to be dealt quickly. She survived the anaesthetic and had all except 4 teeth removed (her canines were sticking sideways out of her mouth they were so infected). She had a blood panel done and she tested positive for FeLV. Her other levels correlate with the positive diagnosis. She may be up to 8 yrs old? She has a severe URI which is improving. However, she has terrible diahrea. She is on a daily injectable antibiotic combo and also gets injectable B12 and injectable B complex. I have her on probiotics and Standard Process Whole Body Support. I have Collostrum. Do you recommend it and how much should I give her? She's tiny and fragile - 4 - 5 lbs now. Do you recommend Interferon? What else can I give her? She is isolated in a very large sunny warm bathroom and very happy and very active (even a bit hyper). She has gone from NASTY cat in the beginning to sweet cuddly lap cat now. Two of the others have been tested (awaiting results) and the other 4 will have blood panels this week. Some of these new cats are isolated together and some are isolated alone. My own cats and other permanent fosters I have are fragile and don't get vaxed - can't due to auto immune diseases, severe HCM, vaccinosis, etc. so the new ones have no contact with mine. Any and all suggestions, advice would be gratefully accepted. Thanks El
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El, I have been following this list for some time now, and find that there are great people here with excellent information. I give great thanks to the people on this list for their dedication to saving the unwanted'. (I myself currently have 14 cats that have found a home here.) All of which I have spayed/neutered and brought back to health. I have a website on Transfer Factor that you can go to and get a great amount of information. It is www.powerbod.com/us/karengriffith There are several brands of Transfer Factor, but this is the type that I have found that has the most extensive research behind it as well as the most beneficial effects on FeLV cats. You can read the information on what Transfer Factor does on the first page, and then you can go to the page for Veterinary Medicine and Transfer Factor. It has a lot of info on the immune supporting capabilities of Transfer Factor. Colostrum is very good as a supplement, but the Transfer Factor is more targeted. It takes close to 60 colostrum pills to equal the immune benefits of one Transfer Factor Plus Tri Factor. I would also encourage you to read the page for Treating Chronically Ill Patients, as it will give you an idea of the benefits to humansThis helped me to more readily understand the benefits to our animals. If you have any questions on nutrition or care for you kitties, you are more than welcome to call me at 740-992-5782. This goes for anyone on the list. I certainly don't have all of the answers (as does anyone with this aggravating disease), but hopefully can help to guide you, along with your veterinarians, to a successful outcome on your new babies. I am also willing to speak with your veterinarians, if you so wish. I have a passion for saving these FeLV cats that are most often sentenced to death. They can, in most cases, live a long happy life. The type of Transfer Factor I use for FeLV kitties is the human form. If your decide to order from the company, order the Transfer Factor Plus Tri Factor. I just use one pill a day unless there is a major crisis and then may use two. Only once in the most severe of cases have I used 2/day. I have found the human formula much more effective than the feline formula. The wonderful thing is that here are no adverse side effects and it will help with many of the other problems found in FeLV. I am an Animal Scientist (Ohio State University) with a specialty in animal nutrition and physiology. I am always willing to speak with anyone on the list about their sweet babies that are having problems. It is easiest to reach me after 9pm EST. (I have a very slow internet connection (rural area), so it is best to call me.) Looking forward to speaking with you if you have any questions. Karen Griffith Karen Griffith Farms 34440 State Route 7 Pomeroy, Ohio 45769 Phone: 740-992-5782 Website: www.karengriffith.com Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: whocares whocares To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 9:05 PM Subject: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Hi, This is my first post so please bear with me. I'm posting this through email. If there's a more efficient way please let me know. 2 weeks ago I took in 7 filthy, reeking, matted, very, very ill cats from a horrific shelter in the area. All were emaciated, dehydrated, infected eyes, URI's, ear mites/infections, severe diahrea, etc.. My vet didn't think they'd make it through the first night but here they are getting healthier by the day. Some still need injectable antibiotic combos daily but they are improving. One of these had severe gingivitis - very infected teeth that had to be dealt quickly. She survived the anaesthetic and had all except 4 teeth removed (her canines were sticking sideways out of her mouth they were so infected). She had a blood panel done and she tested positive for FeLV. Her other levels correlate with the positive diagnosis. She may be up to 8 yrs old? She has a severe URI which is improving. However, she has terrible diahrea. She is on a daily injectable antibiotic combo and also gets injectable B12 and injectable B complex. I have her on probiotics and Standard Process Whole Body Support. I have Collostrum. Do you recommend it and how much should I give her? She's tiny and fragile - 4 - 5 lbs now. Do you recommend Interferon? What else can I give her? She is isolated in a very large sunny warm bathroom and very happy and very active (even a bit hyper). She has gone from NASTY cat in the beginning to sweet cuddly lap cat now. Two of the others have been tested (awaiting results) and the other 4 will have blood panels this week. Some of these new cats are isolated together and some are isolated alone. My own cats and other permanent fosters I have are fragile and don't get vaxed - can't due to auto immune diseases, severe HCM
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El, you're an angel. Thanks for everything you're doing for your new furbabes. My FeLV Snoball was prone to diarrhea. On the advice of my vet, when he had a bout, I gave him only plain cooked chicken breast--I broiled it, then blended in with water and a feline supplement--chicken alone doesn't provide all the necessary nutrition--to make a thick, bland puree. (Because I had six positives in the same space they all had to have the chicken, and they all loved it.) I kept it up for 2-3 weeks, and it did the trick every time--cleared up the diarrhea. Good luck Kerry From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gloria Lane Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 8:51 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli What a loving thing you've done! I do like interferon alpha, but find different vets sell it for different prices. I've found a less expensive source locally and generally give 1/2 cc daily to FELV cats that are less than 3 yrs old, or if they're sick like yours. I've been using veterinary (not grocery store) kaopectate for diarrhea lately and it's worked great - think it's good for coating the lining of the digestive tract. I started that because I ran out of Panacur, but it's working well. The latest formulation of Kaopectate that you get in the grocery and drugs stores contains an aspirin like substance that's harmful to cats. At Veterinarypartner.com, there's an article that says: The old form of Kaopectate contained only kaolin and pectin while later forms contained attapulgite, all of which were very safe in animals due to the lack of systemic absorption. However, Kaopectate has recently developed a new formula that contains the drug bismuth subsalicylate, a drug that can be toxic to cats. So we got some of the old formula from a vet, and it works well. Best of luck, Gloria On Feb 24, 2008, at 8:05 PM, whocares whocares wrote: To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Hi, This is my first post so please bear with me. I'm posting this through email. If there's a more efficient way please let me know. 2 weeks ago I took in 7 filthy, reeking, matted, very, very ill cats from a horrific shelter in the area. All were emaciated, dehydrated, infected eyes, URI's, ear mites/infections, severe diahrea, etc.. My vet didn't think they'd make it through the first night but here they are getting healthier by the day. Some still need injectable antibiotic combos daily but they are improving. One of these had severe gingivitis - very infected teeth that had to be dealt quickly. She survived the anaesthetic and had all except 4 teeth removed (her canines were sticking sideways out of her mouth they were so infected). She had a blood panel done and she tested positive for FeLV. Her other levels correlate with the positive diagnosis. She may be up to 8 yrs old? She has a severe URI which is improving. However, she has terrible diahrea. She is on a daily injectable antibiotic combo and also gets injectable B12 and injectable B complex. I have her on probiotics and Standard Process Whole Body Support. I have Collostrum. Do you recommend it and how much should I give her? She's tiny and fragile - 4 - 5 lbs now. Do you recommend Interferon? What else can I give her? She is isolated in a very large sunny warm bathroom and very happy and very active (even a bit hyper). She has gone from NASTY cat in the beginning to sweet cuddly lap cat now. Two of the others have been tested (awaiting results) and the other 4 will have blood panels this week. Some of these new cats are isolated together and some are isolated alone. My own cats and other permanent fosters I have are fragile and don't get vaxed - can't due to auto immune diseases, severe HCM, vaccinosis, etc. so the new ones have no contact with mine. Any and all suggestions, advice would be gratefully accepted. Thanks El _ Effective September 1, 2007, we have changed our name to Mayer Brown LLP. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer Brown LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer Brown LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely
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Thanks for the Kaopectate information. I'll pass that on. Pumpkin and apple pectin work for diarrhea control too. On Feb 25, 2008, at 8:51 AM, Gloria Lane wrote: What a loving thing you've done! I do like interferon alpha, but find different vets sell it for different prices. I've found a less expensive source locally and generally give 1/2 cc daily to FELV cats that are less than 3 yrs old, or if they're sick like yours. I've been using veterinary (not grocery store) kaopectate for diarrhea lately and it's worked great - think it's good for coating the lining of the digestive tract. I started that because I ran out of Panacur, but it's working well. The latest formulation of Kaopectate that you get in the grocery and drugs stores contains an aspirin like substance that's harmful to cats. At Veterinarypartner.com, there's an article that says: The old form of Kaopectate contained only kaolin and pectin while later forms contained attapulgite, all of which were very safe in animals due to the lack of systemic absorption. However, Kaopectate has recently developed a new formula that contains the drug bismuth subsalicylate, a drug that can be toxic to cats. So we got some of the old formula from a vet, and it works well. Best of luck, Gloria On Feb 24, 2008, at 8:05 PM, whocares whocares wrote: To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Hi, This is my first post so please bear with me. I'm posting this through email. If there's a more efficient way please let me know. 2 weeks ago I took in 7 filthy, reeking, matted, very, very ill cats from a horrific shelter in the area. All were emaciated, dehydrated, infected eyes, URI's, ear mites/infections, severe diahrea, etc.. My vet didn't think they'd make it through the first night but here they are getting healthier by the day. Some still need injectable antibiotic combos daily but they are improving. One of these had severe gingivitis - very infected teeth that had to be dealt quickly. She survived the anaesthetic and had all except 4 teeth removed (her canines were sticking sideways out of her mouth they were so infected). She had a blood panel done and she tested positive for FeLV. Her other levels correlate with the positive diagnosis. She may be up to 8 yrs old? She has a severe URI which is improving. However, she has terrible diahrea. She is on a daily injectable antibiotic combo and also gets injectable B12 and injectable B complex. I have her on probiotics and Standard Process Whole Body Support. I have Collostrum. Do you recommend it and how much should I give her? She's tiny and fragile - 4 - 5 lbs now. Do you recommend Interferon? What else can I give her? She is isolated in a very large sunny warm bathroom and very happy and very active (even a bit hyper). She has gone from NASTY cat in the beginning to sweet cuddly lap cat now. Two of the others have been tested (awaiting results) and the other 4 will have blood panels this week. Some of these new cats are isolated together and some are isolated alone. My own cats and other permanent fosters I have are fragile and don't get vaxed - can't due to auto immune diseases, severe HCM, vaccinosis, etc. so the new ones have no contact with mine. Any and all suggestions, advice would be gratefully accepted. Thanks El
Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli
I'll have to try the Apple pectin, if I can find it. I'm hoping I can continue to get the kaopectate (old formula). It's easy to syringe. I make a bunch of syringes, leave them out, and grab a couple when I'm rushing off to work, you know. If I can get and try Apple pectin, that might be easy to syringe too. Thanks! Gloria At 02:10 PM 2/25/2008, you wrote: Thanks for the Kaopectate information. I'll pass that on. Pumpkin and apple pectin work for diarrhea control too. On Feb 25, 2008, at 8:51 AM, Gloria Lane wrote: What a loving thing you've done! I do like interferon alpha, but find different vets sell it for different prices. I've found a less expensive source locally and generally give 1/2 cc daily to FELV cats that are less than 3 yrs old, or if they're sick like yours. I've been using veterinary (not grocery store) kaopectate for diarrhea lately and it's worked great - think it's good for coating the lining of the digestive tract. I started that because I ran out of Panacur, but it's working well. The latest formulation of Kaopectate that you get in the grocery and drugs stores contains an aspirin like substance that's harmful to cats. At Veterinarypartner.com, there's an article that says: The old form of Kaopectate contained only kaolin and pectin while later forms contained attapulgite, all of which were very safe in animals due to the lack of systemic absorption. However, Kaopectate has recently developed a new formula that contains the drug bismuth subsalicylate, a drug that can be toxic to cats. So we got some of the old formula from a vet, and it works well. Best of luck, Gloria On Feb 24, 2008, at 8:05 PM, whocares whocares wrote: To:mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Hi, This is my first post so please bear with me. I'm posting this through email. If there's a more efficient way please let me know. 2 weeks ago I took in 7 filthy, reeking, matted, very, very ill cats from a horrific shelter in the area. All were emaciated, dehydrated, infected eyes, URI's, ear mites/infections, severe diahrea, etc.. My vet didn't think they'd make it through the first night but here they are getting healthier by the day. Some still need injectable antibiotic combos daily but they are improving. One of these had severe gingivitis - very infected teeth that had to be dealt quickly. She survived the anaesthetic and had all except 4 teeth removed (her canines were sticking sideways out of her mouth they were so infected). She had a blood panel done and she tested positive for FeLV. Her other levels correlate with the positive diagnosis. She may be up to 8 yrs old? She has a severe URI which is improving. However, she has terrible diahrea. She is on a daily injectable antibiotic combo and also gets injectable B12 and injectable B complex. I have her on probiotics and Standard Process Whole Body Support. I have Collostrum. Do you recommend it and how much should I give her? She's tiny and fragile - 4 - 5 lbs now. Do you recommend Interferon? What else can I give her? She is isolated in a very large sunny warm bathroom and very happy and very active (even a bit hyper). She has gone from NASTY cat in the beginning to sweet cuddly lap cat now. Two of the others have been tested (awaiting results) and the other 4 will have blood panels this week. Some of these new cats are isolated together and some are isolated alone. My own cats and other permanent fosters I have are fragile and don't get vaxed - can't due to auto immune diseases, severe HCM, vaccinosis, etc. so the new ones have no contact with mine. Any and all suggestions, advice would be gratefully accepted. Thanks El --
Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli
Karen I am trying to call you. I saw in a post the best time to call you was after 9:00. I will. I just tried again but no answer. I'm never home during the day. Gotta go to that job of mine. Lynne - Original Message - From: Karen Griffith To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 9:28 AM Subject: Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli Lynne, Don't be so 'down'. I've seen cases like yours have a very happy ending and a very long life for your baby. Give me a call... Karen - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 10:14 PM Subject: Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli Thanl you Marylyn. I sometimes feel I am being a big whiner here. So many of you have dealt with far worse issues than I have and I do need to give my self a reality check and just get on with the living part. At this very point in time I simply cannot envision not having him around. I know this will not have a happy ending but I will do everything I can to make his life peaceful and enjoyable. We both just love him to pieces. - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 10:05 PM Subject: Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli It is so hard. I hope you have the luck I have had with Dixie. If you need to just vent and can figure out how to email me directly, please feel free. Again, don't let your frustration, anger, grief and all those other very understandable emotions, emotions we have all felt, cheat you of all the wonderful time you have with him. The time may be long or short but it is a very special time for you all. On Feb 24, 2008, at 8:53 PM, Lynne wrote: The new one today said we'd talk about it again after we got his cytology report back Marylyn. His primary care giver was the one who told my husband it would do him no good now. We aren't giving up on anything where this boy is concerned. This has just been a bad day for me. They took fluid from both sides of his chest today and he's lost a pound in less than a week. That may have been the fluid. He looks kind of pitiful with big chunks of his hair shaved away on both sides. I'm very upbeat when I go upstairs to see him but I'm near tears the rest of the time. I still don't think I have accepted this. Tomorrow will be another day, however. We did raise his dish today, actually just put it on a book and it just seems more comfortable for him to eat that way. Bob and I do manage to get a laugh every now and then with some of the ridiculous things we come up with to make him comfortable. The cat must think we're nuts. Lynne - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 9:45 PM Subject: Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli Lynne, Please check with another vet re the interferon. Vets have very different ideas on how and when to use it. Second opinions don't hurt anything. On Feb 24, 2008, at 8:34 PM, Lynne wrote: El, I am too new to this to give advice but I am sure you will be receiving many replies shortly by many knowledgeable people on this group. It sounds to me that you are doing every thing possible for these animals that can benefit them. The fact that your girl is around 8 years old may be an encouraging sign. Maybe the antibiotics are contributing to her diarrhea? and it is a temporary thing? I can't imagine what more you can do for her. She obviously seems happy which is a really important thing and of course it is necessary to keep yours isolated from the others. You'll need to ask your vet about the interferon. It could be useful. Apparently it has shown some favorable results. If I had that option now I would definitely try it but it's too late for my boy according to the vet. Sorry I can't be of help, I so admire you for what you have done for these animals. I'm sure others will come forward as soon as they see your email. Best of luck Lynne - Original Message - From: whocares whocares To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 9:05 PM Subject: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Hi, This is my first post so please bear with me. I'm posting this through email. If there's a more efficient way please let me know. 2 weeks ago I took in 7 filthy, reeking, matted, very, very ill cats from a horrific shelter in the area. All were emaciated, dehydrated, infected eyes, URI's, ear mites/infections, severe diahrea, etc.. My vet
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Blessings to you for caring for the little ones. Others on the list can give you better advise than I but I am going to put my two cents in. I try to give colostrum to any stressed cat that I feed..my Mom has several ferals/throw-aways/strays who come regularly for food. I add brewer's yeast and whatever supplements I can to the wet food they get. Dixie, my FeLV+ cat who is extremely healthy and happy and has been for the three years she has graced me with her presence, gets interferon to help with her teeth. None of us (her regular vets or her holistic vets) know whether the FeLV or miserable diet as a throw-away caused the problems but the interferon + PetzLife Brush Away + a very high quality, no grain diet with lots of veggies (finely chopped or baby food) have that problem under control. Probiotics are great. The cats are stressed and I use Feliway spray and Cat Nap to calm cats when I need to. Most of Mom's can't be touched, much less handled. Occasionally I have to live trap them and Feliway seems to help as does Rescue Remedy, Cat Nap is new to my tool box but I have seen it work with Dixie and other cats. Provide them with places to hide and feel safe. Spraying the bedding and yourself will help. The other cats in the house may benefit from RR in their water. The addition of the lovely little ones has to be stressful for them too. They really know much more than we give them credit for. Personally, I would check with a holistic vet as a companion, not replacement, for regular vet care. When my very wonderful regular vets told me Dixie tested positive and after we decided what to do with her (long story but she could not be released as planned because of the FeLV) I took her to see a holistic vet. Again, as a companion, not a substitute. On Feb 24, 2008, at 8:05 PM, whocares whocares wrote: To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Hi, This is my first post so please bear with me. I'm posting this through email. If there's a more efficient way please let me know. 2 weeks ago I took in 7 filthy, reeking, matted, very, very ill cats from a horrific shelter in the area. All were emaciated, dehydrated, infected eyes, URI's, ear mites/infections, severe diahrea, etc.. My vet didn't think they'd make it through the first night but here they are getting healthier by the day. Some still need injectable antibiotic combos daily but they are improving. One of these had severe gingivitis - very infected teeth that had to be dealt quickly. She survived the anaesthetic and had all except 4 teeth removed (her canines were sticking sideways out of her mouth they were so infected). She had a blood panel done and she tested positive for FeLV. Her other levels correlate with the positive diagnosis. She may be up to 8 yrs old? She has a severe URI which is improving. However, she has terrible diahrea. She is on a daily injectable antibiotic combo and also gets injectable B12 and injectable B complex. I have her on probiotics and Standard Process Whole Body Support. I have Collostrum. Do you recommend it and how much should I give her? She's tiny and fragile - 4 - 5 lbs now. Do you recommend Interferon? What else can I give her? She is isolated in a very large sunny warm bathroom and very happy and very active (even a bit hyper). She has gone from NASTY cat in the beginning to sweet cuddly lap cat now. Two of the others have been tested (awaiting results) and the other 4 will have blood panels this week. Some of these new cats are isolated together and some are isolated alone. My own cats and other permanent fosters I have are fragile and don't get vaxed - can't due to auto immune diseases, severe HCM, vaccinosis, etc. so the new ones have no contact with mine. Any and all suggestions, advice would be gratefully accepted. Thanks El
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El, I am too new to this to give advice but I am sure you will be receiving many replies shortly by many knowledgeable people on this group. It sounds to me that you are doing every thing possible for these animals that can benefit them. The fact that your girl is around 8 years old may be an encouraging sign. Maybe the antibiotics are contributing to her diarrhea? and it is a temporary thing? I can't imagine what more you can do for her. She obviously seems happy which is a really important thing and of course it is necessary to keep yours isolated from the others. You'll need to ask your vet about the interferon. It could be useful. Apparently it has shown some favorable results. If I had that option now I would definitely try it but it's too late for my boy according to the vet. Sorry I can't be of help, I so admire you for what you have done for these animals. I'm sure others will come forward as soon as they see your email. Best of luck Lynne - Original Message - From: whocares whocares To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 9:05 PM Subject: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Hi, This is my first post so please bear with me. I'm posting this through email. If there's a more efficient way please let me know. 2 weeks ago I took in 7 filthy, reeking, matted, very, very ill cats from a horrific shelter in the area. All were emaciated, dehydrated, infected eyes, URI's, ear mites/infections, severe diahrea, etc.. My vet didn't think they'd make it through the first night but here they are getting healthier by the day. Some still need injectable antibiotic combos daily but they are improving. One of these had severe gingivitis - very infected teeth that had to be dealt quickly. She survived the anaesthetic and had all except 4 teeth removed (her canines were sticking sideways out of her mouth they were so infected). She had a blood panel done and she tested positive for FeLV. Her other levels correlate with the positive diagnosis. She may be up to 8 yrs old? She has a severe URI which is improving. However, she has terrible diahrea. She is on a daily injectable antibiotic combo and also gets injectable B12 and injectable B complex. I have her on probiotics and Standard Process Whole Body Support. I have Collostrum. Do you recommend it and how much should I give her? She's tiny and fragile - 4 - 5 lbs now. Do you recommend Interferon? What else can I give her? She is isolated in a very large sunny warm bathroom and very happy and very active (even a bit hyper). She has gone from NASTY cat in the beginning to sweet cuddly lap cat now. Two of the others have been tested (awaiting results) and the other 4 will have blood panels this week. Some of these new cats are isolated together and some are isolated alone. My own cats and other permanent fosters I have are fragile and don't get vaxed - can't due to auto immune diseases, severe HCM, vaccinosis, etc. so the new ones have no contact with mine. Any and all suggestions, advice would be gratefully accepted. Thanks El --
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Hi El, Thank you for taking in those severely neglected cats. I cannot believe (though that's a figure of speech) that the FeLV+ girl was in such horrible shape, coming from a shelter. You have given all of them a new lease on life. I'm always grateful that there are people like you out there, and you'll find like-minded souls here. There is support on the list for colostrum and a similar product called Transfer Factor. I'm currently using neither on my FeLV+ girl, but you will probably get responses from people using one or the other. If you're using a specific brand, see if they have a web site with information on dose strength. Or, you might call and consult with a holistic or homeopathic vet in your area. They usually have good ideas about these types of supplements. Interferon? Yes! Interferon alpha is very affordable, and most vets should have the ability to get it for you. My cat is on a 5 days on/5 days off regimen. I also highly recommend Vetri-Science's Liquid DMG product. One bottle costs in the $30-35 range and lasts my cat for three months, easily. She is asymptomatic, and it's possible that the DMG and interferon are helping her to stay that way. FInally, I think giving these cats lots of love, play-time and a stress-free environment goes a long way toward helping them have fewer or no symptoms. Best, Lance On Feb 24, 2008, at 8:05 PM, whocares whocares wrote: To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Hi, This is my first post so please bear with me. I'm posting this through email. If there's a more efficient way please let me know. 2 weeks ago I took in 7 filthy, reeking, matted, very, very ill cats from a horrific shelter in the area. All were emaciated, dehydrated, infected eyes, URI's, ear mites/infections, severe diahrea, etc.. My vet didn't think they'd make it through the first night but here they are getting healthier by the day. Some still need injectable antibiotic combos daily but they are improving. One of these had severe gingivitis - very infected teeth that had to be dealt quickly. She survived the anaesthetic and had all except 4 teeth removed (her canines were sticking sideways out of her mouth they were so infected). She had a blood panel done and she tested positive for FeLV. Her other levels correlate with the positive diagnosis. She may be up to 8 yrs old? She has a severe URI which is improving. However, she has terrible diahrea. She is on a daily injectable antibiotic combo and also gets injectable B12 and injectable B complex. I have her on probiotics and Standard Process Whole Body Support. I have Collostrum. Do you recommend it and how much should I give her? She's tiny and fragile - 4 - 5 lbs now. Do you recommend Interferon? What else can I give her? She is isolated in a very large sunny warm bathroom and very happy and very active (even a bit hyper). She has gone from NASTY cat in the beginning to sweet cuddly lap cat now. Two of the others have been tested (awaiting results) and the other 4 will have blood panels this week. Some of these new cats are isolated together and some are isolated alone. My own cats and other permanent fosters I have are fragile and don't get vaxed - can't due to auto immune diseases, severe HCM, vaccinosis, etc. so the new ones have no contact with mine. Any and all suggestions, advice would be gratefully accepted. Thanks El
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The new one today said we'd talk about it again after we got his cytology report back Marylyn. His primary care giver was the one who told my husband it would do him no good now. We aren't giving up on anything where this boy is concerned. This has just been a bad day for me. They took fluid from both sides of his chest today and he's lost a pound in less than a week. That may have been the fluid. He looks kind of pitiful with big chunks of his hair shaved away on both sides. I'm very upbeat when I go upstairs to see him but I'm near tears the rest of the time. I still don't think I have accepted this. Tomorrow will be another day however. We did raise his dish today, actually just put it on a book and it just seems more comfortable for him to eat that way. Bob and I do manage to get a laugh every now and then with some of the ridiculous things we come up with to make him comfortable. The cat must think we're nuts. Lynne - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 9:45 PM Subject: Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli Lynne, Please check with another vet re the interferon. Vets have very different ideas on how and when to use it. Second opinions don't hurt anything. On Feb 24, 2008, at 8:34 PM, Lynne wrote: El, I am too new to this to give advice but I am sure you will be receiving many replies shortly by many knowledgeable people on this group. It sounds to me that you are doing every thing possible for these animals that can benefit them. The fact that your girl is around 8 years old may be an encouraging sign. Maybe the antibiotics are contributing to her diarrhea? and it is a temporary thing? I can't imagine what more you can do for her. She obviously seems happy which is a really important thing and of course it is necessary to keep yours isolated from the others. You'll need to ask your vet about the interferon. It could be useful. Apparently it has shown some favorable results. If I had that option now I would definitely try it but it's too late for my boy according to the vet. Sorry I can't be of help, I so admire you for what you have done for these animals. I'm sure others will come forward as soon as they see your email. Best of luck Lynne - Original Message - From: whocares whocares To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 9:05 PM Subject: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Hi, This is my first post so please bear with me. I'm posting this through email. If there's a more efficient way please let me know. 2 weeks ago I took in 7 filthy, reeking, matted, very, very ill cats from a horrific shelter in the area. All were emaciated, dehydrated, infected eyes, URI's, ear mites/infections, severe diahrea, etc.. My vet didn't think they'd make it through the first night but here they are getting healthier by the day. Some still need injectable antibiotic combos daily but they are improving. One of these had severe gingivitis - very infected teeth that had to be dealt quickly. She survived the anaesthetic and had all except 4 teeth removed (her canines were sticking sideways out of her mouth they were so infected). She had a blood panel done and she tested positive for FeLV. Her other levels correlate with the positive diagnosis. She may be up to 8 yrs old? She has a severe URI which is improving. However, she has terrible diahrea. She is on a daily injectable antibiotic combo and also gets injectable B12 and injectable B complex. I have her on probiotics and Standard Process Whole Body Support. I have Collostrum. Do you recommend it and how much should I give her? She's tiny and fragile - 4 - 5 lbs now. Do you recommend Interferon? What else can I give her? She is isolated in a very large sunny warm bathroom and very happy and very active (even a bit hyper). She has gone from NASTY cat in the beginning to sweet cuddly lap cat now. Two of the others have been tested (awaiting results) and the other 4 will have blood panels this week. Some of these new cats are isolated together and some are isolated alone. My own cats and other permanent fosters I have are fragile and don't get vaxed - can't due to auto immune diseases, severe HCM, vaccinosis, etc. so the new ones have no contact with mine. Any and all suggestions, advice would be gratefully accepted. Thanks El --
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It is so hard. I hope you have the luck I have had with Dixie. If you need to just vent and can figure out how to email me directly, please feel free. Again, don't let your frustration, anger, grief and all those other very understandable emotions, emotions we have all felt, cheat you of all the wonderful time you have with him. The time may be long or short but it is a very special time for you all. On Feb 24, 2008, at 8:53 PM, Lynne wrote: The new one today said we'd talk about it again after we got his cytology report back Marylyn. His primary care giver was the one who told my husband it would do him no good now. We aren't giving up on anything where this boy is concerned. This has just been a bad day for me. They took fluid from both sides of his chest today and he's lost a pound in less than a week. That may have been the fluid. He looks kind of pitiful with big chunks of his hair shaved away on both sides. I'm very upbeat when I go upstairs to see him but I'm near tears the rest of the time. I still don't think I have accepted this. Tomorrow will be another day, however. We did raise his dish today, actually just put it on a book and it just seems more comfortable for him to eat that way. Bob and I do manage to get a laugh every now and then with some of the ridiculous things we come up with to make him comfortable. The cat must think we're nuts. Lynne - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 9:45 PM Subject: Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli Lynne, Please check with another vet re the interferon. Vets have very different ideas on how and when to use it. Second opinions don't hurt anything. On Feb 24, 2008, at 8:34 PM, Lynne wrote: El, I am too new to this to give advice but I am sure you will be receiving many replies shortly by many knowledgeable people on this group. It sounds to me that you are doing every thing possible for these animals that can benefit them. The fact that your girl is around 8 years old may be an encouraging sign. Maybe the antibiotics are contributing to her diarrhea? and it is a temporary thing? I can't imagine what more you can do for her. She obviously seems happy which is a really important thing and of course it is necessary to keep yours isolated from the others. You'll need to ask your vet about the interferon. It could be useful. Apparently it has shown some favorable results. If I had that option now I would definitely try it but it's too late for my boy according to the vet. Sorry I can't be of help, I so admire you for what you have done for these animals. I'm sure others will come forward as soon as they see your email. Best of luck Lynne - Original Message - From: whocares whocares To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 9:05 PM Subject: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Hi, This is my first post so please bear with me. I'm posting this through email. If there's a more efficient way please let me know. 2 weeks ago I took in 7 filthy, reeking, matted, very, very ill cats from a horrific shelter in the area. All were emaciated, dehydrated, infected eyes, URI's, ear mites/infections, severe diahrea, etc.. My vet didn't think they'd make it through the first night but here they are getting healthier by the day. Some still need injectable antibiotic combos daily but they are improving. One of these had severe gingivitis - very infected teeth that had to be dealt quickly. She survived the anaesthetic and had all except 4 teeth removed (her canines were sticking sideways out of her mouth they were so infected). She had a blood panel done and she tested positive for FeLV. Her other levels correlate with the positive diagnosis. She may be up to 8 yrs old? She has a severe URI which is improving. However, she has terrible diahrea. She is on a daily injectable antibiotic combo and also gets injectable B12 and injectable B complex. I have her on probiotics and Standard Process Whole Body Support. I have Collostrum. Do you recommend it and how much should I give her? She's tiny and fragile - 4 - 5 lbs now. Do you recommend Interferon? What else can I give her? She is isolated in a very large sunny warm bathroom and very happy and very active (even a bit hyper). She has gone from NASTY cat in the beginning to sweet cuddly lap cat now. Two of the others have been tested (awaiting results) and the other 4 will have blood panels this week. Some of these new cats are isolated together and some are isolated alone. My own cats and other permanent fosters I have are fragile and don't get vaxed - can't due to auto immune diseases, severe HCM, vaccinosis, etc. so the new ones have no contact with mine. Any and all suggestions, advice would be gratefully accepted. Thanks El
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Thanl you Marylyn. I sometimes feel I am being a big whiner here. So many of you have dealt with far worse issues than I have and I do need to give my self a reality check and just get on with the living part. At this very point in time I simply cannot envision not having him around. I know this will not have a happy ending but I will do everything I can to make his life peaceful and enjoyable. We both just love him to pieces. - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 10:05 PM Subject: Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli It is so hard. I hope you have the luck I have had with Dixie. If you need to just vent and can figure out how to email me directly, please feel free. Again, don't let your frustration, anger, grief and all those other very understandable emotions, emotions we have all felt, cheat you of all the wonderful time you have with him. The time may be long or short but it is a very special time for you all. On Feb 24, 2008, at 8:53 PM, Lynne wrote: The new one today said we'd talk about it again after we got his cytology report back Marylyn. His primary care giver was the one who told my husband it would do him no good now. We aren't giving up on anything where this boy is concerned. This has just been a bad day for me. They took fluid from both sides of his chest today and he's lost a pound in less than a week. That may have been the fluid. He looks kind of pitiful with big chunks of his hair shaved away on both sides. I'm very upbeat when I go upstairs to see him but I'm near tears the rest of the time. I still don't think I have accepted this. Tomorrow will be another day, however. We did raise his dish today, actually just put it on a book and it just seems more comfortable for him to eat that way. Bob and I do manage to get a laugh every now and then with some of the ridiculous things we come up with to make him comfortable. The cat must think we're nuts. Lynne - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 9:45 PM Subject: Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli Lynne, Please check with another vet re the interferon. Vets have very different ideas on how and when to use it. Second opinions don't hurt anything. On Feb 24, 2008, at 8:34 PM, Lynne wrote: El, I am too new to this to give advice but I am sure you will be receiving many replies shortly by many knowledgeable people on this group. It sounds to me that you are doing every thing possible for these animals that can benefit them. The fact that your girl is around 8 years old may be an encouraging sign. Maybe the antibiotics are contributing to her diarrhea? and it is a temporary thing? I can't imagine what more you can do for her. She obviously seems happy which is a really important thing and of course it is necessary to keep yours isolated from the others. You'll need to ask your vet about the interferon. It could be useful. Apparently it has shown some favorable results. If I had that option now I would definitely try it but it's too late for my boy according to the vet. Sorry I can't be of help, I so admire you for what you have done for these animals. I'm sure others will come forward as soon as they see your email. Best of luck Lynne - Original Message - From: whocares whocares To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 9:05 PM Subject: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Hi, This is my first post so please bear with me. I'm posting this through email. If there's a more efficient way please let me know. 2 weeks ago I took in 7 filthy, reeking, matted, very, very ill cats from a horrific shelter in the area. All were emaciated, dehydrated, infected eyes, URI's, ear mites/infections, severe diahrea, etc.. My vet didn't think they'd make it through the first night but here they are getting healthier by the day. Some still need injectable antibiotic combos daily but they are improving. One of these had severe gingivitis - very infected teeth that had to be dealt quickly. She survived the anaesthetic and had all except 4 teeth removed (her canines were sticking sideways out of her mouth they were so infected). She had a blood panel done and she tested positive for FeLV. Her other levels correlate with the positive diagnosis. She may be up to 8 yrs old? She has a severe URI which is improving. However, she has terrible diahrea. She is on a daily injectable antibiotic combo and also gets injectable B12 and injectable B complex. I have her on probiotics and Standard Process Whole Body Support. I have Collostrum. Do you recommend
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We start dying the minute we are born. I learned this very hard lesson from the Royal Princess Kitty Katt and Dixie re-enforces it. Maybe it is your turn to learn. Cats are wonderful teachers. On Feb 24, 2008, at 9:14 PM, Lynne wrote: Thanl you Marylyn. I sometimes feel I am being a big whiner here. So many of you have dealt with far worse issues than I have and I do need to give my self a reality check and just get on with the living part. At this very point in time I simply cannot envision not having him around. I know this will not have a happy ending but I will do everything I can to make his life peaceful and enjoyable. We both just love him to pieces. - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 10:05 PM Subject: Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli It is so hard. I hope you have the luck I have had with Dixie. If you need to just vent and can figure out how to email me directly, please feel free. Again, don't let your frustration, anger, grief and all those other very understandable emotions, emotions we have all felt, cheat you of all the wonderful time you have with him. The time may be long or short but it is a very special time for you all. On Feb 24, 2008, at 8:53 PM, Lynne wrote: The new one today said we'd talk about it again after we got his cytology report back Marylyn. His primary care giver was the one who told my husband it would do him no good now. We aren't giving up on anything where this boy is concerned. This has just been a bad day for me. They took fluid from both sides of his chest today and he's lost a pound in less than a week. That may have been the fluid. He looks kind of pitiful with big chunks of his hair shaved away on both sides. I'm very upbeat when I go upstairs to see him but I'm near tears the rest of the time. I still don't think I have accepted this. Tomorrow will be another day, however. We did raise his dish today, actually just put it on a book and it just seems more comfortable for him to eat that way. Bob and I do manage to get a laugh every now and then with some of the ridiculous things we come up with to make him comfortable. The cat must think we're nuts. Lynne - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 9:45 PM Subject: Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli Lynne, Please check with another vet re the interferon. Vets have very different ideas on how and when to use it. Second opinions don't hurt anything. On Feb 24, 2008, at 8:34 PM, Lynne wrote: El, I am too new to this to give advice but I am sure you will be receiving many replies shortly by many knowledgeable people on this group. It sounds to me that you are doing every thing possible for these animals that can benefit them. The fact that your girl is around 8 years old may be an encouraging sign. Maybe the antibiotics are contributing to her diarrhea? and it is a temporary thing? I can't imagine what more you can do for her. She obviously seems happy which is a really important thing and of course it is necessary to keep yours isolated from the others. You'll need to ask your vet about the interferon. It could be useful. Apparently it has shown some favorable results. If I had that option now I would definitely try it but it's too late for my boy according to the vet. Sorry I can't be of help, I so admire you for what you have done for these animals. I'm sure others will come forward as soon as they see your email. Best of luck Lynne - Original Message - From: whocares whocares To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 9:05 PM Subject: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Hi, This is my first post so please bear with me. I'm posting this through email. If there's a more efficient way please let me know. 2 weeks ago I took in 7 filthy, reeking, matted, very, very ill cats from a horrific shelter in the area. All were emaciated, dehydrated, infected eyes, URI's, ear mites/infections, severe diahrea, etc.. My vet didn't think they'd make it through the first night but here they are getting healthier by the day. Some still need injectable antibiotic combos daily but they are improving. One of these had severe gingivitis - very infected teeth that had to be dealt quickly. She survived the anaesthetic and had all except 4 teeth removed (her canines were sticking sideways out of her mouth they were so infected). She had a blood panel done and she tested positive for FeLV. Her other levels correlate with the positive diagnosis. She may be up to 8 yrs old? She has a severe URI which is improving. However, she has terrible diahrea. She is on a daily injectable antibiotic combo and also gets injectable B12 and injectable B complex. I
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it sounds awful until you think about it, but sometimes the very best thing we can do--for anyone and anything--is just love them to death. may be hours, may be decades. but pure love never hurts the giver or the recipient. as marylyn says, they come to teach us what we need to learn--and they come to us because they know that there is something that ONLY WE CAN GIVE THEM to continue their journey. you're in each others' lives for a reason MC On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 10:18 PM, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We start dying the minute we are born. I learned this very hard lesson from the Royal Princess Kitty Katt and Dixie re-enforces it. Maybe it is your turn to learn. Cats are wonderful teachers. On Feb 24, 2008, at 9:14 PM, Lynne wrote: Thanl you Marylyn. I sometimes feel I am being a big whiner here. So many of you have dealt with far worse issues than I have and I do need to give my self a reality check and just get on with the living part. At this very point in time I simply cannot envision not having him around. I know this will not have a happy ending but I will do everything I can to make his life peaceful and enjoyable. We both just love him to pieces. - Original Message - *From:* Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Sunday, February 24, 2008 10:05 PM *Subject:* Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli It is so hard. I hope you have the luck I have had with Dixie. If you need to just vent and can figure out how to email me directly, please feel free. Again, don't let your frustration, anger, grief and all those other very understandable emotions, emotions we have all felt, cheat you of all the wonderful time you have with him. The time may be long or short but it is a very special time for you all. On Feb 24, 2008, at 8:53 PM, Lynne wrote: The new one today said we'd talk about it again after we got his cytology report back Marylyn. His primary care giver was the one who told my husband it would do him no good now. We aren't giving up on anything where this boy is concerned. This has just been a bad day for me. They took fluid from both sides of his chest today and he's lost a pound in less than a week. That may have been the fluid. He looks kind of pitiful with big chunks of his hair shaved away on both sides. I'm very upbeat when I go upstairs to see him but I'm near tears the rest of the time. I still don't think I have accepted this. Tomorrow will be another day, however. We did raise his dish today, actually just put it on a book and it just seems more comfortable for him to eat that way. Bob and I do manage to get a laugh every now and then with some of the ridiculous things we come up with to make him comfortable. The cat must think we're nuts. Lynne - Original Message - *From:* Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Sunday, February 24, 2008 9:45 PM *Subject:* Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli Lynne, Please check with another vet re the interferon. Vets have very different ideas on how and when to use it. Second opinions don't hurt anything. On Feb 24, 2008, at 8:34 PM, Lynne wrote: El, I am too new to this to give advice but I am sure you will be receiving many replies shortly by many knowledgeable people on this group. It sounds to me that you are doing every thing possible for these animals that can benefit them. The fact that your girl is around 8 years old may be an encouraging sign. Maybe the antibiotics are contributing to her diarrhea? and it is a temporary thing? I can't imagine what more you can do for her. She obviously seems happy which is a really important thing and of course it is necessary to keep yours isolated from the others. You'll need to ask your vet about the interferon. It could be useful. Apparently it has shown some favorable results. If I had that option now I would definitely try it but it's too late for my boy according to the vet. Sorry I can't be of help, I so admire you for what you have done for these animals. I'm sure others will come forward as soon as they see your email. Best of luck Lynne - Original Message - *From:* whocares whocares [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Sunday, February 24, 2008 9:05 PM *Subject:* new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli To:[EMAIL PROTECTED], This is my first post so please bear with me. I'm posting this through email. If there's a more efficient way please let me know. 2 weeks ago I took in 7 filthy, reeking, matted, very, very ill cats from a horrific shelter in the area. All were emaciated, dehydrated, infected eyes, URI's, ear mites/infections, severe diahrea, etc.. My vet didn't think they'd make it through the first night but here they are getting healthier by the day. Some still need injectable antibiotic combos daily but they are improving. One of these had
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Yeah. You are right! You'll get better care for the tinies that way. Taylor Scobie Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] On May 8, 2007, at 1:46 PM, Kelley Saveika wrote: No do not put any kittens to sleep because there is a pos test. 1. They may not be pos. 2. I am confused about the original test. It is not common to test a kitty twice, especially one who was injured and is dying. Was the kitty tested before death? Really confused about this part. 3. GET ANOTHER VET. This one sounds awful. On 5/8/07, Deana K. Wagoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am new to the list and need some advice. We have a number of ferals in our neighborhood and there has been an effort to trap/ spay-neuter as many as possible. I have been successful in turning two of them into great house cats. One was negative and vaccinated at 6 months of age. She is about 12 months now. The other kitty is several years old and was spayed, but as far as I know she wasn't tested. She lived on my patio for a year then decided to be a house cat. I haven't had her tested yet, but she is very healthy. I suspect she is a cat that ran off/got lost or was dumped. She is a Rag Doll and really doesn't act like a true feral. Another feral in the neighborhood had a little late last summer. Before I could capture these guys, one of the females got pregnant and delivered the litter of kittens on my patio. When the kittens were a day old, a neighbor's dog attacked the stray mother and got one of the kittens. The mother cat went up a tree, then took off. I tried to follow her, with no luck. I watched the kittens for about four hours, and she never returned. We got some kmr and feed the 4 remaining kittens, continuing to watch for her to return. She returned in the middle of the night on Sunday night in a rain storm, obviously in bad shape. I just happened to look out when I was up in the middle of the night bottle feeding the kittens. I took her to the vet as soon they opened yesterday morning, but she died from the injuries. The vet suggested testing her for FeLV. (with the comment that if the cat was positive, you wouldn't want to treat her any way.) The vet reported there was a negative test, then a second test was positive. The vet then suggested that all of the kittens be PTS immediately with the chance that they were positive. I haven't had cats much for the last 20 years, although I grew up with cats- all before FeLV was identified – so I am not familiar with it. Based on what I am reading, there are LOTS of questions about test results/vaccinating/etc. We are bottle feeding the kittens and they are growing like crazy, crawling all over the place and don't appear at all sick. They were only with their mother just under 24 hours. (born last Thursday.) Is this common to just give up on the babies without knowing if they are positive or not? I would appreciate any advice. Thanks Deana -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Gandalf! http://www.firstgiving.com/gandalfkitty I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
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Dear Deana: You don't have to give up on those babies at all! Some vets--and some people--are much more likely to PTS little babies like that but it certainly isn't necessary at all. I raised three little newborns (The Three Orange Boyz) and they are now 10 months old. I kept them all because I wanted them to grow up and stay with their sibbies their whole life long. They tested negative to FeLV when they were tiny and then at nine months one developed swollen glands and found out on one day that he was FeLV pos and the next day that he had lymphoma. He's on chemotherapy and doing very well! The other babies are still negative and are now vaccinated against FeLV. You were in the right place twice for this little family. Once, when the poor mama was attacked and ran and again when she returned to you. She had her babies at your house so she felt safe with you, which is wonderful! Be sure and keep the babies very warm (very!) and, also, purchase some Bene-Bac for their little gut flora. The best kind to get is the big tube, not the little bitty ones from the pet stores. You will go berserk trying to feed Bene-Bac to squirmy little ones from those tiny tubes AND it will cost more, too! Revival Health is in Iowa (and on the web) and they have the good stuff. When they get poopy and you have to wash them under running water (which mine HATED!) go to the pharmacy and buy some little throwaway human baby washcloths because the poo is hard to get off. It's easier to get them clean AND they are SO fluffy and sweet- smelling! Your babies are so little that you can cut each human baby- sized washcloth into 16 (yes, sixteen!) itty bitty washcloths for kitty babies! Also, invest in disposable human bed pads--they're not very attractive (that green!) but boy, do they keep the laundry down. I wanted them to be groomed as though they had a kitty mommy-- it's good for their immune system --so I got them a tiny flea comb. I think it's Revival that sells a teeny-tiny flea comb about four or five inches long and it makes a perfect little hairbrush for them-- and they love it! I tried a toothbrush but it didn't work and that's when I saw the teeny little flea comb. Perfect! Oh--and don't let them suck on the little boys' peepees--not a good idea since they have such a strong sucking capacity. You will know that's what they are doing when they get what I like to call peepee head: the fur on their face will be plastered down and then above their forehead it'll be fluffy again. It's very amusing. Some people say to separate them but I didn't do that--I just carefully stopped it when they started rooting around somebody's little bottom and they're fine. If mommy was there they would obviously suck on her. There is a pillow that is available that has built-in nipples made from KMR nipples! It's expensive, though, and I'd just make one myself. There is also a kitty-mommy stuffed animal that has a heartbeat with it (from Target or Revival.) I would get the tiny ones tested--you don't have to do it right away. But you should take in your Ragdoll girl and have her tested, because it's good to know. I got a gorgeous little long-haired tuxedo, Mamie, that nobody wanted because she was FeLV positive. My vet and his tech saved her life when she was found on a golf course sick and wormy and fleazy. We had no idea how long she would live, so every birthday was a milestone. She was in fabulous health for ten years and then her immune system gave up on her. The vets just thought she was amazing. And so did I! Once you have one you learn fast how easy it is to care for them--and how long they can live, too! The only other thing I can think of to say--now--is, I would not have them spayed or neutered at the early age that is sometimes recommended. I feel that it's better if they are older, especially since they may have a weaker immune system because they lost their mommy, so I like to give them an edge by doing it at the older recommended age. I love little kitty babies! You are so lucky to care for them! Aren't they sweet? And sooo noisy when they are hungry! And I love their little tomato tummies! I hope I haven't given you kitten- raising information that you already know and if I have I apologize. But you absolutely don't have to PTS them. They deserve to live, too. Just be sure that your vet realizes that, too. Keep the big kitties away from the babies until you know everyone's FeLV status, tho. What colors are they? Are they long or short haired? Boys? Girls? Tee Taylor Scobie Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] On May 8, 2007, at 1:42 PM, Deana K. Wagoner wrote: I am new to the list and need some advice. We have a number of ferals in our neighborhood and there has been an effort to trap/ spay-neuter as many as possible. I have been successful in turning
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Regarding finding new clinics, ask around and also maybe call them up and drop in for a chat to see how you feel about the place. You'll know--after all, you're the mommy now! Congrats on one whole week caring for them! I felt kind of psychotic after the first week from lack of sleep--and I had one day there that I never got out of my nightgown! Taylor Scobie Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] On May 8, 2007, at 3:04 PM, Deana K. Wagoner wrote: I really think the ragdoll was dumped and just took up with the ferals. She certainly stood out from the crowd! She adapted to indoor life nicely and hasn't wanted to venture out again after finding soft furniture and beds to lounge on! The deal with the testing really does have me baffled. I am not sure how to go about selecting another vet, but there are some Cat only clinics in my area. Would they be more likely to be up on the latest? Thanks for all the help! I am certainly glad that I found this list. -Original Message- From: MaryChristine Sent: May 8, 2007 2:07 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: need advice from new member i'm sorry, a FERAL ragdoll? that's almost as oxymoronic as a feral persian! most raggies need to take classes to even learn how to hiss and growl okay, to get serious. (me?) have to agree with kelley. sounds to ME that if a vet did a second snap test right away, it's because they were pretty sure they messed up the first one: there's a very specific set of steps you have to go through to do the snap correctly, and there is NO reason to redo it immediately--unless you forget to have the test out of the refrigerator for the correct time, you didn't have enough blood, you didn't put in enough test solution, you snapped the test wrong (if it's not kept perfectly level, the test is compromised), and you didn't check the test circles at the right time. ie, they screwed up. and when they screw up that badly, i wouldn't particularly trust them to have done the second one correctly either. so much for my humble opinion on that. the latest research that i have read seems to be leading to mom- kitten transmission being as much, if not more, from the actual birth PROCESS (contact with the mucous membranes) than from in- utero infection, with the even more dangerous thing being all the nursing and mutual grooming momcat does as the babies as learning about the real world. if this is true, then these kittens may have a very good chance of not being positive. since mom died from injuries and not anything related to a compromised immune system per se, she might have been in the process of throwing off the virus herself, and so to assume that either she OR the babies would/will remain positive is unscientific, unmedical, and that vet should be ashamed of himself. FELV+, FIV+, FIP play out the articles on FeLV (heck, on all three since i'm sure he's no more aware on those) for him. there is really no excuse for a medical professional to CHOOSE to remain ignorant when information is out there. and yes, unfortunately, it IS common--after all, why learn anything or tax your skills when the first line of treatment is the easiest: just kill them all! (sorry, hon, but we around here get REALLY hissed when we keep hearing this stuff.) THANK YOU FOR NOT LISTENING TO HIM! because, even if they ARE positive, if they're healthy and happy, they have as much right to occupy space as any of us. (and more than some? oops, i didn't say that.) MC On 5/8/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No do not put any kittens to sleep because there is a pos test. 1. They may not be pos. 2. I am confused about the original test. It is not common to test a kitty twice, especially one who was injured and is dying. Was the kitty tested before death? Really confused about this part. 3. GET ANOTHER VET. This one sounds awful. On 5/8/07, Deana K. Wagoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am new to the list and need some advice. We have a number of ferals in our neighborhood and there has been an effort to trap/ spay-neuter as many as possible. I have been successful in turning two of them into great house cats. One was negative and vaccinated at 6 months of age. She is about 12 months now. The other kitty is several years old and was spayed, but as far as I know she wasn't tested. She lived on my patio for a year then decided to be a house cat. I haven't had her tested yet, but she is very healthy. I suspect she is a cat that ran off/got lost or was dumped. She is a Rag Doll and really doesn't act like a true feral. Another feral in the neighborhood had a little late last summer. Before I could capture these guys, one of the females got pregnant and delivered the litter of kittens on my patio. When the kittens were a day old, a neighbor's dog attacked the stray mother and got one of the kittens
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That's awesome news! It probably was brought in with Jadon or Bruschi, or maybe both had it. Did they come from the same place by chance? Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources http://www.iGive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303 Sign up for iGive and a percentage of your purchases helps save animals!
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Well I have good news for once.My female Takara who just had her 5 kittens is NEGATIVE.WHAT A RELIEF I just wanted to thank Phaewryn,Mary Christine, Nina , Kelley and everyone else who has been guiding me through this nightmare. I'm looking at things in a whole different way because of your advice , comments, opinions and experiences and I think I'm out of panic mode finally! From now on I will vaccinate all my cats to help prevent this from happening again , even though I'm now convinced the 2 newer cats came here with it and I'm still hoping my oldest Bengal tests negative when I retest him. He had tested negative before and could just be going through fighting it now so I have 3 more weeks to wait and will retest him and see where he is at. I have a wonderful home for Bruschi and that leaves me with my Calico girl who is still battling her URI and needs to gain some weight but Phaewryn is giving me some good advice and hopefully I get her back on track real soon:) THANK YOU ALL...you're a wonderful group here and have helped me through this tremendously! Deb - Original Message - From: MaryChristine To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 9:38 PM Subject: Re: New Member - Deb and mixing halleluia, sister! (yeah, i'll go to bed now.) On 5/9/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Every what if I have experienced in the past brought me to a new awareness in the present, even though the lessons were hard, I learned from them. What if I had just taken that extra few minutes to check on Kiki that night, rather than going to bed because I was too tired to feed him? Would I have been able to take him to the vet in time to save him? That was a hard lesson, when I found him dead the next morning with injuries. BUT, now, when I think something might be wrong, I take action on it IMMEDIATELY, I never wait to take care of things I could put off until tomorrow, because I learned that sometimes tomorrow doesn't come. What if I had just not let him go outside? Would he have not been hit by that car? Of course not. BUT, now I keep my cats indoors only, unless they are on a leash. I learned from that what if as well. What if I had only KNOWN that a broken back wasn't a death sentence? Would I still have my sweet Do-Dah here today, happy in a cat cart? I miss him, but now I know that it's not a death sentence, and I've used the lesson I learned from his life to help countless injured pets since by telling THEIR owners don't listen to your vet, there ARE options! I have Bones to show for it too, I think it was a test, that I was to be sent not one, but TWO cats with broken backs. The first one, I got it wrong, but the second one... well, she couldn't be any happier than she is today! I swear to you all, I am SURE that I have been sent these second chances just to redeem myself and forgive my past mistakes! I could list a long list of all the what if's I've experienced in my years with cats, all my regrets, and all of my losses, but the fact remains the same, no matter HOW HARD that lesson came, and no matter how many times I relive it, and no matter how many tears I shed, I know that I LEARNED, and THAT means that none of their lives were in vain. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources http://www.iGive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303 Sign up for iGive and a percentage of your purchases helps save animals! -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
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Hi Deana, Like you, I am new to this as well. My friend and I rescued a momma kitty with 6 kittens and a 6 month old boy. The boy turned up negative but the momma turned up positive. We were told by other rescuers to have all of them PTS, but my friend and I just couldn't do it. We didn't feel like we knew enough about this disease to take happy healthy kittens and have them PTS. I am so glad I didn't do it because now that I know more there is a huge chance these kittens can have great lives...their momma has no symptoms at all so who knows if for one the test was right or if the babies will even get it. We have actually already found homes for the boy and one of the babies in the same home and the family has decided to give the FeLV vaccine to their negative kitties...these cats can and will have a better chance at life because we chose not to PTS...keep up the good work with the kittens...it is so worth it. Sheryl --- Deana K. Wagoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am new to the list and need some advice. We have a number of ferals in our neighborhood and there has been an effort to trap/spay-neuter as many as possible. I have been successful in turning two of them into great house cats. One was negative and vaccinated at 6 months of age. She is about 12 months now. The other kitty is several years old and was spayed, but as far as I know she wasnât tested. She lived on my patio for a year then decided to be a house cat. I havenât had her tested yet, but she is very healthy. I suspect she is a cat that ran off/got lost or was dumped. She is a Rag Doll and really doesnât act like a true feral. Another feral in the neighborhood had a little late last summer. Before I could capture these guys, one of the females got pregnant and delivered the litter of kittens on my patio. When the kittens were a day old, a neighborâs dog attacked the stray mother and got one of the kittens. The mother cat went up a tree, then took off. I tried to follow her, with no luck. I watched the kittens for about four hours, and she never returned. We got some kmr and feed the 4 remaining kittens, continuing to watch for her to return. She returned in the middle of the night on Sunday night in a rain storm, obviously in bad shape. I just happened to look out when I was up in the middle of the night bottle feeding the kittens. I took her to the vet as soon they opened yesterday morning, but she died from the injuries. The vet suggested testing her for FeLV. (with the comment that if the cat was positive, you wouldnât want to treat her any way.) The vet reported there was a negative test, then a second test was positive. The vet then suggested that all of the kittens be PTS immediately with the chance that they were positive. I havenât had cats much for the last 20 years, although I grew up with cats- all before FeLV was identified â so I am not familiar with it. Based on what I am reading, there are LOTS of questions about test results/vaccinating/etc. We are bottle feeding the kittens and they are growing like crazy, crawling all over the place and donât appear at all sick. They were only with their mother just under 24 hours. (born last Thursday.) Is this common to just give up on the babies without knowing if they are positive or not? I would appreciate any advice. Thanks Deana __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Hi Nina, I Love to hear more and more experiences from all of you that mix negatives and positives...it's building my confidence more each day. What I need to know is do you still keep them together if one still has a persistent cough that just won't clear even after treatment or if one sneezes here or there? My situation as it is now is that I have 3 positives , the two boys that I might have homes for , and my calico girl that I thought I had a home for but after seeing her with symptoms of her cough which I had thought went away, I feel I can't let her move and be more stressed out until I can get her completely healthy and a little more weight on her. My boys seems healthy but may sneeze here and there or have a little coughnothing persistent or on a daily basis so I was just wondering if it's still OK to mix them with my negative boys? My Calico girl is back on antibiotics and while she was with us that night for about 5 hours ,before she had that bad coughing spell she was fine for the 5 hours. So can she still be with my negative boys while I treat her. You said I should've seen her face when I had to confine her..well I barely could see her face because I was crying my eyes out myself:( She was not put by herself thank god , otherwise I would've grabbed a sleeping bag and slept with her! She was put back with her two feline brothers who are also positive so I hope she wasn't too distraughtI sure know I was though!! I know my kits have all been exposed and I have now vaccinated the negative ones. I just don't know the do's and don'ts of mixing them all together again. I think I'm so scared because I had thought I had 6 healthy cats, 3 had been tested for FELV and showed negative and lived healthy and happily for over 2 years. I then brought in 3 more over the past year of which one tested negative and I never tested the last two thinking they came from parents that were tested. Then all of the sudden one gets sick and I have 3 FELV+ cats, one is my oldest Bengal boy who tested negative previously and then the two that were never tested. None are related. I was told this is a rare situation and if FELV doesn't spread that easily then why are 3 of mine infected? So I either have really bad luck and more than one brought this in my home and the FELV tests I had done that were negative meant nothing or the last 2 I brought in came here with it and spread it to my adult cat. I will never know, but after having been hit with 3 of my 6 cats getting this disease at one time with still one kit to test, to me that makes me think this spreads like wildfire and that is why I'm so nervous about putting them all back together. The first night we decided to bring up my calico girl was after I had fed them all so they didn't share any food dishes and my other kits didn't really even go near her as they were surprised to see her and she just really followed me around the house all night and then fell asleep with me while my boys seemed a bit mad that I was showering attention on her all night and they slept with my Son so there wasn't much contact in that 5 hours. I'm trying to my best to get used to doing this but I'm still in panic mode here and just trying to learn all I can and make sure I do right by all my cats. For now I'm trying to rehome the positive boys that I know will take a move easier and the home I found for my 6 month old boy sounds perfect as he will have a 7 month old FELV+ playmate. This home might take both boys but I won't know until she comes to meet them. So this is where I'm at right now and my mind is spinning every day with more info and seems to change daily on how much I can handle so I'm just taking it all a day at a time and giving them as much TLC as I can until I figure this all out:) Thanks for your advice/input here.it's much appreciated:) Deb From: Nina To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 1:19 PM Subject: Re: New Member - Deb and mixing Deb, I'm pleased to hear you have potential adopters for your boys. I'm hoping that someone will adopt them together. Tell those folks to come join us here! Forgive me for responding without reading your previous posts, you may already have addressed this, but... I am one of the people that have mixed negs and pos together, (with the negs being vaccinated). I have done this for years without any of my negs turning pos, but I understand what a difficult decision it is to make. In my case, I had brought in a litter of felv bottle babies and didn't find out they were pos until they had been mixing freely with the rest of the household for months. It still gave me pause, (because the vets and the literature suggested segregating, hell, they suggested euthanizing too), but it would have been hard on everyone concerned to separate them at that point. One of my cats at the time was a born-in-the-wild feral
Re: New Member - Deb and mixing
Hey, Deb - I also mix my negatives and positives -- and don't isolate anyone who is coughing, etc. I figure that everyone has been exposed anyhow and it is probably viral -- and strict isolation isn't possible at my house. I've never been sorry that I've done it this way. Deb Stockbridge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Nina, I Love to hear more and more experiences from all of you that mix negatives and positives...it's building my confidence more each day. What I need to know is do you still keep them together if one still has a persistent cough that just won't clear even after treatment or if one sneezes here or there? My situation as it is now is that I have 3 positives , the two boys that I might have homes for , and my calico girl that I thought I had a home for but after seeing her with symptoms of her cough which I had thought went away, I feel I can't let her move and be more stressed out until I can get her completely healthy and a little more weight on her. My boys seems healthy but may sneeze here and there or have a little coughnothing persistent or on a daily basis so I was just wondering if it's still OK to mix them with my negative boys? My Calico girl is back on antibiotics and while she was with us that night for about 5 hours ,before she had that bad coughing spell she was fine for the 5 hours. So can she still be with my negative boys while I treat her. You said I should've seen her face when I had to confine her..well I barely could see her face because I was crying my eyes out myself:( She was not put by herself thank god , otherwise I would've grabbed a sleeping bag and slept with her! She was put back with her two feline brothers who are also positive so I hope she wasn't too distraughtI sure know I was though!! I know my kits have all been exposed and I have now vaccinated the negative ones. I just don't know the do's and don'ts of mixing them all together again. I think I'm so scared because I had thought I had 6 healthy cats, 3 had been tested for FELV and showed negative and lived healthy and happily for over 2 years. I then brought in 3 more over the past year of which one tested negative and I never tested the last two thinking they came from parents that were tested. Then all of the sudden one gets sick and I have 3 FELV+ cats, one is my oldest Bengal boy who tested negative previously and then the two that were never tested. None are related. I was told this is a rare situation and if FELV doesn't spread that easily then why are 3 of mine infected? So I either have really bad luck and more than one brought this in my home and the FELV tests I had done that were negative meant nothing or the last 2 I brought in came here with it and spread it to my adult cat. I will never know, but after having been hit with 3 of my 6 cats getting this disease at one time with still one kit to test, to me that makes me think this spreads like wildfire and that is why I'm so nervous about putting them all back together. The first night we decided to bring up my calico girl was after I had fed them all so they didn't share any food dishes and my other kits didn't really even go near her as they were surprised to see her and she just really followed me around the house all night and then fell asleep with me while my boys seemed a bit mad that I was showering attention on her all night and they slept with my Son so there wasn't much contact in that 5 hours. I'm trying to my best to get used to doing this but I'm still in panic mode here and just trying to learn all I can and make sure I do right by all my cats. For now I'm trying to rehome the positive boys that I know will take a move easier and the home I found for my 6 month old boy sounds perfect as he will have a 7 month old FELV+ playmate. This home might take both boys but I won't know until she comes to meet them. So this is where I'm at right now and my mind is spinning every day with more info and seems to change daily on how much I can handle so I'm just taking it all a day at a time and giving them as much TLC as I can until I figure this all out:) Thanks for your advice/input here.it's much appreciated:) Deb From: Nina To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 1:19 PM Subject: Re: New Member - Deb and mixing Deb, I'm pleased to hear you have potential adopters for your boys. I'm hoping that someone will adopt them together. Tell those folks to come join us here! Forgive me for responding without reading your previous posts, you may already have addressed this, but... I am one of the people that have mixed negs and pos together, (with the negs being vaccinated). I have done this for years without any of my negs turning pos, but I understand what a difficult decision it is to make. In my case, I had brought in a litter of felv bottle babies and didn't find out
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Hurray! Thank you for reminding me once again how the rewards of being a member of this list outweigh all the heartache we endure. It's filled with people just like the two of you. People that put their intuition and heart before the advice of others that don't know any better, or have found themselves in circumstances that they feel force them to make such drastic and final choices. One loving guardian at a time, one educated vet at a time, we are making a difference in our world. Much love, happiness and health to you and your households, Nina Sheryl Spagg wrote: Hi Deana, Like you, I am new to this as well. My friend and I rescued a momma kitty with 6 kittens and a 6 month old boy. The boy turned up negative but the momma turned up positive. We were told by other rescuers to have all of them PTS, but my friend and I just couldn't do it. We didn't feel like we knew enough about this disease to take happy healthy kittens and have them PTS. I am so glad I didn't do it because now that I know more there is a huge chance these kittens can have great lives...their momma has no symptoms at all so who knows if for one the test was right or if the babies will even get it. We have actually already found homes for the boy and one of the babies in the same home and the family has decided to give the FeLV vaccine to their negative kitties...these cats can and will have a better chance at life because we chose not to PTS...keep up the good work with the kittens...it is so worth it. Sheryl --- Deana K. Wagoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am new to the list and need some advice. We have a number of ferals in our neighborhood and there has been an effort to trap/spay-neuter as many as possible. I have been successful in turning two of them into great house cats. One was negative and vaccinated at 6 months of age. She is about 12 months now. The other kitty is several years old and was spayed, but as far as I know she wasnâEUR^(TM)t tested. She lived on my patio for a year then decided to be a house cat. I havenâEUR^(TM)t had her tested yet, but she is very healthy. I suspect she is a cat that ran off/got lost or was dumped. She is a Rag Doll and really doesnâEUR^(TM)t act like a true feral. Another feral in the neighborhood had a little late last summer. Before I could capture these guys, one of the females got pregnant and delivered the litter of kittens on my patio. When the kittens were a day old, a neighborâEUR^(TM)s dog attacked the stray mother and got one of the kittens. The mother cat went up a tree, then took off. I tried to follow her, with no luck. I watched the kittens for about four hours, and she never returned. We got some kmr and feed the 4 remaining kittens, continuing to watch for her to return. She returned in the middle of the night on Sunday night in a rain storm, obviously in bad shape. I just happened to look out when I was up in the middle of the night bottle feeding the kittens. I took her to the vet as soon they opened yesterday morning, but she died from the injuries. The vet suggested testing her for FeLV. (with the comment that if the cat was positive, you wouldnâEUR^(TM)t want to treat her any way.) The vet reported there was a negative test, then a second test was positive. The vet then suggested that all of the kittens be PTS immediately with the chance that they were positive. I havenâEUR^(TM)t had cats much for the last 20 years, although I grew up with cats- all before FeLV was identified âEUR so I am not familiar with it. Based on what I am reading, there are LOTS of questions about test results/vaccinating/etc. We are bottle feeding the kittens and they are growing like crazy, crawling all over the place and donâEUR^(TM)t appear at all sick. They were only with their mother just under 24 hours. (born last Thursday.) Is this common to just give up on the babies without knowing if they are positive or not? I would appreciate any advice. Thanks Deana __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Thanks Nina. I actually called my vet and talked to my favorite vet tech and not once did she mention PTS. She explained to me about the disease and told me about a kitten she had that was positive and she had to find a home for but other than that there was NO talk of PTS. Any vet that tells people that has certainly not done their research...I am not a vet by any means, but there is no way I would put a cat/kittens to sleep because they have a 30% chance of getting sick...that is unreasonable in my eyes...I already have 4 cats of my own and of them 3 have issues (Diabetes Seizures) so you never know if a cat is going to get sick or not...or a dog for that matter...it is life and you deal with it...you certainly don't give up! Sheryl --- Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hurray! Thank you for reminding me once again how the rewards of being a member of this list outweigh all the heartache we endure. It's filled with people just like the two of you. People that put their intuition and heart before the advice of others that don't know any better, or have found themselves in circumstances that they feel force them to make such drastic and final choices. One loving guardian at a time, one educated vet at a time, we are making a difference in our world. Much love, happiness and health to you and your households, Nina Sheryl Spagg wrote: Hi Deana, Like you, I am new to this as well. My friend and I rescued a momma kitty with 6 kittens and a 6 month old boy. The boy turned up negative but the momma turned up positive. We were told by other rescuers to have all of them PTS, but my friend and I just couldn't do it. We didn't feel like we knew enough about this disease to take happy healthy kittens and have them PTS. I am so glad I didn't do it because now that I know more there is a huge chance these kittens can have great lives...their momma has no symptoms at all so who knows if for one the test was right or if the babies will even get it. We have actually already found homes for the boy and one of the babies in the same home and the family has decided to give the FeLV vaccine to their negative kitties...these cats can and will have a better chance at life because we chose not to PTS...keep up the good work with the kittens...it is so worth it. Sheryl --- Deana K. Wagoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am new to the list and need some advice. We have a number of ferals in our neighborhood and there has been an effort to trap/spay-neuter as many as possible. I have been successful in turning two of them into great house cats. One was negative and vaccinated at 6 months of age. She is about 12 months now. The other kitty is several years old and was spayed, but as far as I know she wasnâEUR^(TM)t tested. She lived on my patio for a year then decided to be a house cat. I havenâEUR^(TM)t had her tested yet, but she is very healthy. I suspect she is a cat that ran off/got lost or was dumped. She is a Rag Doll and really doesnâEUR^(TM)t act like a true feral. Another feral in the neighborhood had a little late last summer. Before I could capture these guys, one of the females got pregnant and delivered the litter of kittens on my patio. When the kittens were a day old, a neighborâEUR^(TM)s dog attacked the stray mother and got one of the kittens. The mother cat went up a tree, then took off. I tried to follow her, with no luck. I watched the kittens for about four hours, and she never returned. We got some kmr and feed the 4 remaining kittens, continuing to watch for her to return. She returned in the middle of the night on Sunday night in a rain storm, obviously in bad shape. I just happened to look out when I was up in the middle of the night bottle feeding the kittens. I took her to the vet as soon they opened yesterday morning, but she died from the injuries. The vet suggested testing her for FeLV. (with the comment that if the cat was positive, you wouldnâEUR^(TM)t want to treat her any way.) The vet reported there was a negative test, then a second test was positive. The vet then suggested that all of the kittens be PTS immediately with the chance that they were positive. I havenâEUR^(TM)t had cats much for the last 20 years, although I grew up with cats- all before FeLV was identified âEUR so I am not familiar with it. Based on what I am reading, there are LOTS of questions about test results/vaccinating/etc. We are bottle feeding the kittens and they are growing like crazy, crawling all over the place and donâEUR^(TM)t appear at all sick. They were only with their mother just under 24 hours. (born last Thursday.) Is this common to just give up on the babies without knowing if they are positive or not? I would appreciate any advice.
Re: New Member - Deb and mixing
Deb, You are afraid of mixing because the danger is real. Your household is indicative of that. We might never know how it is that you have 3 previously believed neg cats testing pos. Was the disease dormant in their systems before they came to you, are they in the process of clearing the virus, did one carrier give it to the others? My one piece of advice for you is to keep them separated until you have come to terms with what mixing them might mean. Imho, I don't think you are going to spare any of the negs from the possibility of whatever fate has in store, they've already had too much contact together for that. One of the hardest things we have to learn in being the guardian of special needs animals is that no matter how desperately we want to control the outcome, no matter how diligently we arm ourselves with information and advice, it is ultimately not in our power to keep them safe from illness. All we can do is our best to insure that the time they do have to share with us is filled with as much joy, safety and love that we can offer. Early on I made the decision that I would opt for quality of life rather than quantity. Each and every one of us must make these types of decisions on our own. It's a very personal judgement call that only you can make. We must weigh the potential consequences and be ready to live with whatever the results turn out to be. There are no guarantees with felv or with life. Why do you think so many otherwise caring people still advocate pts? It's the only sure solution to save you from dealing with the possible ramifications of living with felv. No life, no felv. Dealing with the what ifs after the fact is always punishing, (what if I'd kept them separate, what if I'd sought out treatment sooner, what if I'd done this or that differently). Researching my alternatives, knowing I did the best I could with what I knew at the time, following my intuition and heart, are my talismans against the bitterness of what if. Nina Deb Stockbridge wrote: Hi Nina, I Love to hear more and more experiences from all of you that mix negatives and positives...it's building my confidence more each day. What I need to know is do you still keep them together if one still has a persistent cough that just won't clear even after treatment or if one sneezes here or there? My situation as it is now is that I have 3 positives , the two boys that I might have homes for , and my calico girl that I thought I had a home for but after seeing her with symptoms of her cough which I had thought went away, I feel I can't let her move and be more stressed out until I can get her completely healthy and a little more weight on her. My boys seems healthy but may sneeze here and there or have a little coughnothing persistent or on a daily basis so I was just wondering if it's still OK to mix them with my negative boys? My Calico girl is back on antibiotics and while she was with us that night for about 5 hours ,before she had that bad coughing spell she was fine for the 5 hours. So can she still be with my negative boys while I treat her. You said I should've seen her face when I had to confine her..well I barely could see her face because I was crying my eyes out myself:( She was not put by herself thank god , otherwise I would've grabbed a sleeping bag and slept with her! She was put back with her two feline brothers who are also positive so I hope she wasn't too distraughtI sure know I was though!! I know my kits have all been exposed and I have now vaccinated the negative ones. I just don't know the do's and don'ts of mixing them all together again. I think I'm so scared because I had thought I had 6 healthy cats, 3 had been tested for FELV and showed negative and lived healthy and happily for over 2 years. I then brought in 3 more over the past year of which one tested negative and I never tested the last two thinking they came from parents that were tested. Then all of the sudden one gets sick and I have 3 FELV+ cats, one is my oldest Bengal boy who tested negative previously and then the two that were never tested. None are related. I was told this is a rare situation and if FELV doesn't spread that easily then why are 3 of mine infected? So I either have really bad luck and more than one brought this in my home and the FELV tests I had done that were negative meant nothing or the last 2 I brought in came here with it and spread it to my adult cat. I will never know, but after having been hit with 3 of my 6 cats getting this disease at one time with still one kit to test, to me that makes me think this spreads like wildfire and that is why I'm so nervous about putting them all back together. The first night we decided to bring up my calico girl was after I had fed them all so they didn't share any food dishes and my other kits didn't really even go near her as they were surprised to see
