On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 12:56:37PM +0200, Philip Newton wrote:
Try doing Java in Lynx. Or Mosaic. Is there even a plugin for Netscape
3.0?
Lynx Mosaic practically don't exist, demographically speaking.
I'd say that's marketing and not something built-in. You want client-side
Perl, you
Robin Szemeti wrote:
IMHO to be of any use certification needs to be HUGE .. eg we need
O'Reilly AND Manning behind it or it simply won't fly. We could write a
very comprehensive set of tests and assesment levels, do all that.
The theory driving test in this country was doen by getting
On Fri, Mar 30, 2001 at 01:03:14AM -0800, Paul Makepeace wrote:
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 12:56:37PM +0200, Philip Newton wrote:
Try doing Java in Lynx. Or Mosaic. Is there even a plugin for Netscape
3.0?
Lynx Mosaic practically don't exist, demographically speaking.
But things like
* Simon Cozens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 10:33:59AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
* Robert Shiels ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Have you thought about charging structures, SAP charge about 300gbp to take
a certification exam, and they offer courses that are
On Fri, Mar 30, 2001 at 01:03:14AM -0800, Paul Makepeace wrote:
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 12:56:37PM +0200, Philip Newton wrote:
Try doing Java in Lynx. Or Mosaic. Is there even a plugin for Netscape
3.0?
Lynx Mosaic practically don't exist, demographically speaking.
Bzzzt! Lynx doesn't
On Fri, Mar 30, 2001 at 09:13:16PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
yip and you build in, a little 10 or 20 quid donation to YAS for
everyone done, however this would probably be voluntary or some
such - i dont really know. but if you are doing a training course
that cost 500+ to attend, 10 or 20
On Fri, Mar 30, 2001 at 11:50:57AM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
But things like Avantgo - which are getting more and more users all the
time - have pretty much the same capabilities as a text-only browser.
From a display point of view, yes, but they certainly have the
capability to run a JVM
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 08:08:00PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
is it? ... sure you don't mean 'the database used by most large
corporates for e-commerce' ? I know nothing about the spread of spend
between the large coprporations and the small 5 dollar outfits .. but
theres a hell of a lot of
i am a little unclear what the benefits of this exercise might be without
a brand or larger player backing it up. if we could hook up with someone
like learning tree (eg they can claim to deliver courses to "PCSE"
standards) this might be a big winner.
alex
ps i only mention learning tree
* alex ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
i am a little unclear what the benefits of this exercise might be without
a brand or larger player backing it up. if we could hook up with someone
like learning tree (eg they can claim to deliver courses to "PCSE"
standards) this might be a big winner.
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 08:56:36AM +0100, James Powell wrote:
Course, mysql does support transactions now... I believe with two
different types of table for some reason.
It's because the underlying table type is implemented using Berkeley
DB3, which does support transactions. And that has
Robin Szemeti wrote:
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, you wrote:
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 01:10:00PM +0100, Aaron Trevena wrote:
Plain and simply I don't think java is the right technology for
e-commerce, plain and simple.
gartuitous snippage
no .. it _does_ have its strong points .. I wouldn't
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 03:55:57AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote:
At Thu, 29 Mar 2001 09:51:46 +0100 (BST), alex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
ps2 PCSE - Perl Certified Software Engineer? lack of imagination?
Shouldn't that be CPH for "Certified Perl Hacker" or is that missing
the point?
Certified
depends what you want from the exercise - if you are a perl shop and want
to know how good applicants are then, yes, CPH (but if you're a perl shop
you can pretty quickly determine how good people are anyway). so, i can't
really see the point in this.
i think it should sound like a
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote:
At Thu, 29 Mar 2001 09:51:46 +0100 (BST), alex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
i am a little unclear what the benefits of this exercise might be
without a brand or larger player backing it up. if we could hook up
with someone like learning tree (eg they
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:
The important thing from my POV is that its not learning tree
from day one, as they will simply want to say - taking learning
tree course Perl101 means people get core competency and it
would become the usual noddy thing. Involving them later when
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 09:59:35AM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 08:56:36AM +0100, James Powell wrote:
Course, mysql does support transactions now... I believe with two
different types of table for some reason.
It's because the underlying table type is implemented
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Paul Makepeace wrote:
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 02:58:36PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
Also i think the lack of Perl certification, is one of the biggest
problems with Perl work in london,
Are employers there too stupid to read CVs? Or too lazy?
I'm too lazy.
* Robin Szemeti ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
IMHO to be of any use certification needs to be HUGE .. eg we need
O'Reilly AND Manning behind it or it simply won't fly. We could write a
i think this will end up a slow process
very comprehensive set of tests and assesment levels, do all
* alex ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
that's not the point.
if learning tree design a course (with the community's approval
natch) that is of sufficient standard and then put on their catalogs:
Advanced Perl (3 days) - 1750 GBP + VAT
[preparation for PCSE exam] with a nice logo
James Powell wrote:
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 09:59:35AM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 08:56:36AM +0100, James Powell wrote:
Course, mysql does support transactions now... I believe with two
different types of table for some reason.
It's because the
* Robert Shiels ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Have you thought about charging structures, SAP charge about 300gbp to take
a certification exam, and they offer courses that are specifically designed
i had thought about a 20 quid fee to be sent to YAS
to help you pass, which culminate in taking
you don't think having a single body with london.pm representation whose
responsibilities would be exam delivery, assessment and certificaiton
would be more efficient/effective than what you describe?
alex
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Robert Shiels wrote:
I think a lot of this will be about signing
what robert describes or what i describe?
* alex ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
you don't think having a single body with london.pm representation whose
responsibilities would be exam delivery, assessment and certificaiton
would be more efficient/effective than what you describe?
alex
On
At Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:08:44 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001 08:02:39 -0500 (EST), Dave Cross wrote:
At Wed, 28 Mar 2001 12:34:41 +0100, Simon Cozens [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 12:02:48PM +0100, alex wrote:
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote:
You're right, the referencing is a bit screwed up. I'll take a look at
it today.
Your webmail CC is screwed up too. On my mails there's now new line after
the Cc: so I get a line that says
Cc: X-Mailer: foo
which my mail client (PINE) wants to reply
Well as a fairly independent person in this matter, i will volunteer
to coordinate this. Unless there are any objections - i already
TIMTOWTDI kind of screws things up. Different people will code in
different styles. How can you evaluate this?
I don't think it's a huge problem. For a
sorry, was unclear. robert proposed a meta-certification body which then
gave the tests out to certifiers (netthink, iterative etc). this seems to
me to be far too complicated and fragmented.
i think you need a single organisation which plays the difficult balancing
act of:
* being
Robin Houston [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 08:08:00PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Paul Makepeace wrote:
Can Perl do distributed database transactions?
probably .. simple multi threaded app, fork a few child processes,
establish the odd DBI
Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
* Piers Cawley ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Hmm... Given that big business seems to have bought some of the ideas
of 'Just In Time' stock holding and delivery type stuff, maybe the
time has come to start pushing Perl and open source programming as
Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
* Matthew Byng-Maddick ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:
* Simon Cozens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 08:47:03PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
I suggest (with Dave Cross' blessing),
Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
At 21:24 28/03/2001, you wrote:
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 02:58:36PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
Also i think the lack of Perl certification, is one of the biggest
problems with Perl work in london,
Are employers there too stupid to read CVs? Or too
* alex ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
sorry, was unclear. robert proposed a meta-certification body which then
gave the tests out to certifiers (netthink, iterative etc). this seems to
me to be far too complicated and fragmented.
i think it was me that suggested this
i think you need a
At 29 Mar 2001 11:43:59 +0100, Piers Cawley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
http://www.tekmetrics.com/ aka brainbench seems to still be going
strong.
And last time I looked, they claimed I was the best Perl programmer
in London. Don't expect that to
Greg Cope wrote:
I once read a report (18 months ago) where the same projects
where given to lots of programmers, the usualy results were
show i.e algorythm design was the most important factor,
although on the whole scripting langauges were faster to
develope in, and had faster execuion
Paul Makepeace wrote:
Can you trivially embed a perl network application in a browser?
[snip]
Java's favour is not *entirely* due to massive marketing pimpery.
Java support in browsers didn't magically come because Microsoft and
Netscape said "Hey, let's develop a Java plug-in for our
On 29/03/2001 at 11:56 +0100, Philip Newton wrote:
Try doing Java in Lynx. Or Mosaic. Is there even a plugin for Netscape
3.0?
Netscape 2 had Java built in, around the turn of 95/96. HotJava was
also about but that (understandably) died around the same time. I
*think* IE3 also did Java, about
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, you wrote:
* Robin Szemeti ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
IMHO to be of any use certification needs to be HUGE .. eg we need
O'Reilly AND Manning behind it or it simply won't fly. We could write a
i think this will end up a slow process
umm .. so long as you have
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 11:32:57AM +0100, Piers Cawley wrote:
Hmm... not quite sure what happens if either of the COMMITs fail.
That's exactly the problem. And what if you crash after the
first COMMIT?
This is not an easy problem. The usual solution is
called "two-phase commit". See
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Roger Burton West wrote:
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 05:44:04AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote:
4.46 Nick Cleaton
Ought to be on here, ask Gellyfish...
He heh
Look what they say I got :
Total Tests Completed 41233
Your Rank (1 = top) 40653
Your Percentile (99 = top): 1
Ah -
Philip Newton wrote:
Greg Cope wrote:
I once read a report (18 months ago) where the same projects
where given to lots of programmers, the usualy results were
show i.e algorythm design was the most important factor,
although on the whole scripting langauges were faster to
develope
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 08:47:03PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
I'd advise getting some non-trainers involved as well, perhaps
Blackstar and other Perl businesses? (their hook will be that
they become partners and get logo placement in whatever pseudo
forum/organisation does this)
Somehow I
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:17:17 +0100 (BST), Mark Fowler wrote:
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote:
You're right, the referencing is a bit screwed up. I'll take a look at
it today.
Actually, that message was OK.
Your webmail CC is screwed up too. On my mails there's now new line after
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 10:30:26AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
ok, but i wouldn't worry about b. anytime soon, you have to remember
Larry has said, he'd rather be certified than see perl certification
(or something similar)
It would be nice to get his backing, but I think that to do that we
* David Cantrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 10:30:26AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
ok, but i wouldn't worry about b. anytime soon, you have to remember
Larry has said, he'd rather be certified than see perl certification
(or something similar)
It would be nice
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 11:32:57AM +0100, Piers Cawley wrote:
Robin Houston [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
No partial failure allowed, it has to either succeed completely
or fail completely.
Hmm... not quite sure what happens if either of the COMMITs fail. And
I'd bemused as to how Java
At 04:42 AM 29.3.2001 -0500, Dave Cross wrote:
O'Reilly wil like it cos they get to sell 'Perl For PCSE(stage 1)'
etc ..
Ooh. I think you've just given me an idea for my next book :)
"Gary Numan's guide to the PCSE"...
;)
--
Chris Devers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Tony Bowden wrote:
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 12:07:01PM +0100, Roger Burton West wrote:
4.46 Nick Cleaton
4.46 Maurice Buxton
Coo, I'm on 4.46 as well.
Me four.
Although they seem to have lost my score.
I have a nice shiny certificate though ...
Nick say's he
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 10:33:59AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
* Robert Shiels ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Have you thought about charging structures, SAP charge about 300gbp to take
a certification exam, and they offer courses that are specifically designed
i had thought about a 20 quid
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 10:30:26AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
ok, but i wouldn't worry about b. anytime soon, you have to remember
Larry has said, he'd rather be certified than see perl certification
(or something similar)
Bzzt. That was to do with ANSI certification.
--
"You can have my
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 08:00:46PM +0100, Jonathan Stowe wrote:
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Tony Bowden wrote:
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 12:07:01PM +0100, Roger Burton West wrote:
4.46 Nick Cleaton
4.46 Maurice Buxton
Coo, I'm on 4.46 as well.
Me four.
Although they seem to have lost
easier said than done - it's a lot easier to hire good people than
convince clients that perl is the way forward - i may be wrong but i think
there are less and less big Perl projects out there available to perl
consultancies. once you get to a particular price bracket (necessary to
afford and
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, alex wrote:
easier said than done - it's a lot easier to hire good people than
convince clients that perl is the way forward - i may be wrong but i think
there are less and less big Perl projects out there available to perl
consultancies. once you get to a particular
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Mark Fowler wrote:
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Aaron Trevena wrote:
I think java is likely to be associated with a load of spectacular
failures.
To be fair, most of these won't be Java's fault. It's just that Java is
No, they'll be the vendor JVM's fault. :)
the first
* Aaron Trevena ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
I think its partially the vendors fault - they are pushing java as a
solution for things it clearly isn't right for.
out of curiousity - such as (i.e. which vendors are pushing java for
inappropriate problem sapces)?
--
Greg McCarroll
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 12:16:07PM +0100, Jonathan Peterson wrote:
I'd also add that Java, to my eyes, seems dreadfully uncooperative. Is it
really as hard as it seems to get a non Java program to talk to j2ee stuff?
Or is it all just part of the Java marketing? Is it me or is COM actually
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:
* Aaron Trevena ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
I think its partially the vendors fault - they are pushing java as a
solution for things it clearly isn't right for.
out of curiousity - such as (i.e. which vendors are pushing java for
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 12:02:48PM +0100, alex wrote:
ps the big killer is that there is no large corporate generating tons of
noise about Perl - whereas this is not the case for Java.
Wait until TPC.
--
Thus spake the master programmer:
"After three days without programming, life
At Wed, 28 Mar 2001 12:34:41 +0100, Simon Cozens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 12:02:48PM +0100, alex wrote:
ps the big killer is that there is no large corporate generating
tons of noise about Perl - whereas this is not the case for Java.
Wait until TPC.
Sounds
"Jonathan Peterson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The recent .com crash has had many desirable effects as well as undesirable
ones, and one of these is the devaluation in hype in .com related
technologies. An awful lot of the value of the big packages is based on
future value - "You don't need
Dominic Mitchell wrote:
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 02:08:59PM +0100, Leon Brocard wrote:
Discuss.
s/fuck|tits|arse//;
Nonono. You want reusable components so you don't end up reinventing the
wheel, badly.
use Regexp::Common 'clean'; # don't muck with my $,
s/$RE{profanity}//g;
i'm not sure this does cut both ways - if what you are saying is correct -
then java's dominance becomes even more of a self-fulfilling prophecy.
i don't think it's the corporates themselves who are making all the noise
about java - it's an aggressive sun PR department which is latching on to
Original Message-
From: Simon Cozens [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 12:02:48PM +0100, alex wrote:
ps the big killer is that there is no large corporate generating
tons of
noise about Perl - whereas this is not the case for Java.
Wait until TPC.
Ahh come on! We need more
Robin Houston wrote:
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 01:23:01PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
I concur. There is simply too much of the important stuff missing from
Java to make it useable for web content delivery as far as I can tell.
I just couldn't do half of what I do without regexes
I quote from the MediaSurface brochure on my desk:
"The Content Server is written in Perl, the de facto standard language for
server-side applications on the World Wide Web."
It's not just that, if a software house wants to support a languages
interaction with its product, where does it go
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 01:59:40PM +, Greg Cope wrote:
I was thinking about this the otherday - can you recommend some (pref
open source) Java regex libs ?
OROMatcher.
http://jakarta.apache.org/oro/index.html
There's also gnu.regexp, for LGPL fans:
http://www.cacas.org/~wes/java/
Both
Robin Houston wrote:
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 01:59:40PM +, Greg Cope wrote:
I was thinking about this the otherday - can you recommend some (pref
open source) Java regex libs ?
OROMatcher.
http://jakarta.apache.org/oro/index.html
There's also gnu.regexp, for LGPL fans:
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, you wrote:
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 01:23:01PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
I concur. There is simply too much of the important stuff missing from
Java to make it useable for web content delivery as far as I can tell.
I just couldn't do half of what I do without
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Robin Houston wrote:
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 01:23:01PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
I concur. There is simply too much of the important stuff missing from
Java to make it useable for web content delivery as far as I can tell.
I just couldn't do half of what I
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 02:08:59PM +0100, Leon Brocard wrote:
I reckon interperability is big, and that XML-RPC (or possibly even
SOAP) will change the way we work. There's no point writing everything
in one language or environment any more. Microsoft may have understood
this with .NET.
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 02:58:36PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
It's not just that, if a software house wants to support a languages
interaction with its product, where does it go for Perl? P5P? CLPM?
NetThink? :)
Also i think the lack of Perl certification, is one of the biggest
problems
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, you wrote:
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 01:10:00PM +0100, Aaron Trevena wrote:
Plain and simply I don't think java is the right technology for
e-commerce, plain and simple.
Why not?
Can Perl do distributed database transactions?
probably .. simple multi threaded app,
* Paul Makepeace ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 01:10:00PM +0100, Aaron Trevena wrote:
Plain and simply I don't think java is the right technology for
e-commerce, plain and simple.
Why not?
Can Perl do distributed database transactions? Can you write stored
* Simon Cozens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Also i think the lack of Perl certification, is one of the biggest
problems with Perl work in london, coming from the other side of
things.
Hmm. I wonder how we could go about fixing that.
My favourite solution in business when you are faced
* Paul Makepeace ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 02:08:59PM +0100, Leon Brocard wrote:
I reckon interperability is big, and that XML-RPC (or possibly even
SOAP) will change the way we work. There's no point writing everything
in one language or environment any more.
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 08:08:00PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Paul Makepeace wrote:
Can Perl do distributed database transactions?
probably .. simple multi threaded app, fork a few child processes,
establish the odd DBI connection, execute a query each return when
* Simon Cozens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 08:47:03PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
I suggest (with Dave Cross' blessing), that we
form the London.pm certification. NetThink and Iterative will
sign up to teach to a given level of skills (or several levels).
Fuck
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:
* Simon Cozens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 08:47:03PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
I suggest (with Dave Cross' blessing), that we
form the London.pm certification. NetThink and Iterative will
sign up to teach to a
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:
* Simon Cozens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Also i think the lack of Perl certification, is one of the biggest
problems with Perl work in london, coming from the other side of
things.
Hmm. I wonder how we could go about fixing that.
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 08:51:10PM +0100, Robin Houston wrote:
I think that's what Paul was talking about. He can correct me
if I'm wrong :-)
Exactly what I meant :-) And Java's a whole lot better for this than
COBOL, C, and other things that make you go "blech".
J2EE is horribly bloated but
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:
* Matthew Byng-Maddick ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
TIMTOWTDI kind of screws things up. Different people will code in
different styles. How can you evaluate this?
it doesn't matter how they achieve most things, as long as they can
do them ...
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 09:05:43PM +0100, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote:
If I see a sensible plan for certification, this sounds sensible, but
consider what most people think of eg. MCSEs.
That's mainly due to the M rather than the C.
--
She said that she was working for the ABC News,
It was as
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Simon Cozens wrote:
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 09:05:43PM +0100, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote:
If I see a sensible plan for certification, this sounds sensible, but
consider what most people think of eg. MCSEs.
That's mainly due to the M rather than the C.
OK, well some of
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 09:57:45PM +0100, Jonathan Stowe wrote:
Maybe I should start a mailing list for discussion of this stuff tomorrow
- thoughts ?
Sounds a good idea. We're also happy to host it, if you want.
--
"Irrigation of the land with seawater desalinated by fusion power is
At 20:47 28/03/2001, you wrote:
* Simon Cozens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Also i think the lack of Perl certification, is one of the biggest
problems with Perl work in london, coming from the other side of
things.
Hmm. I wonder how we could go about fixing that.
My favourite
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 09:05:43PM +0100, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote:
If I see a sensible plan for certification, this sounds sensible, but
consider what most people think of eg. MCSEs.
*We* may look down on the qualification, cos we know it's worthless just
like most other qualifications,
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 10:19:55PM +0100, Dave Cross wrote:
London. Don't expect that to change soon either - as they've just started
charging for tests.
Perhaps the Perl community should have an online certification program
that funnels cash into the Conway Coffers? :-)
No, wait, that might
At 21:57 28/03/2001, you wrote:
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:
* Matthew Byng-Maddick ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:
* Simon Cozens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 08:47:03PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, you wrote:
http://www.tekmetrics.com/ aka brainbench seems to still be going
strong.
And last time I looked, they claimed I was the best Perl programmer in
London. Don't expect that to change soon either - as they've just started
charging for tests.
well I just
At 22:19 28/03/2001, Dave Cross wrote:
At 21:24 28/03/2001, Simon wrote:
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 02:58:36PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
Also i think the lack of Perl certification, is one of the biggest
problems with Perl work in london,
http://www.tekmetrics.com/ aka brainbench seems to
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 10:29:46PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
advantage over other databases - speed. But I wasn't allowed to upgrade
to (eg) postgresql for silly reasons which I forget now.
Your PHBastard called in a $200k/month Oracle DBA and you walked after
the weekend to find your root
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 10:32:15PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
well I just looked ... and their script failed to find 'Perl' even though
they have a test for Perl ...
I hope this isn't the programming language equivalent of dot-bomb
stock becoming unlisted as 'junk' on the NASDAQ...
"Perl
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 10:22:37PM +0100, Dave Cross wrote:
There _was_ a Perl certification mailing list that Skud started a while
back.
Unless we're thinking of different things, wasn't that just perl-trainers?
Don't know if it still exists tho' - been quiet for a while.
Nothing on
At 12:24 PM 28.3.2001 -0800, you wrote:
http://www.tekmetrics.com/ aka brainbench seems to still be going
strong.
Heh -- they're one of my company's main competitors. I don't know the first thing
about them (aside from the I think reasonable assumption that they must do roughly the
same things
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 04:45:09PM -0500, Chris Devers wrote:
Heh -- they're one of my company's main competitors. I don't know the first
thing about them
*cough*. Hey, that's not good, you know. :)
--
The use of COBOL cripples the mind; its teaching should, therefore, be
regarded as a
At 22:44 28/03/2001, you wrote:
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 10:22:37PM +0100, Dave Cross wrote:
There _was_ a Perl certification mailing list that Skud started a while
back.
Unless we're thinking of different things, wasn't that just perl-trainers?
No. There was definitely a perlcert as well.
At 10:49 PM 28.3.2001 +0100, Simon Cozens wrote:
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 04:45:09PM -0500, Chris Devers wrote:
Heh -- they're one of my company's main competitors.
I don't know the first thing about them
*cough*. Hey, that's not good, you know. :)
Well, yeah, I suppose. :)
I just keep our
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, you wrote:
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 09:26:38PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
(my pseudo-transaction scheme for MySQL is basically : .. do this and
return a closure to undo it if I to .. bung the closures in an array ..
if something screws up then back it all off by
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On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 09:57:45PM +0100, Jonathan Stowe wrote:
Maybe I should start a mailing list for discussion of this stuff tomorrow
- thoughts ?
Sounds a good idea. We're also happy to host it, if you want.
either is ok, although once/if
* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
At 21:57 28/03/2001, you wrote:
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:
* Matthew Byng-Maddick ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:
* Simon Cozens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at
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