I have a Sony G500 (might be the same as yours) and it looks great at all
resolutions. It might be your card setup. I can adjust a whole slew of
parameter for each resolution.
Tony
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Sent: Wednesday, December
You should consider another newsreader.
Strange ones such as OE may hide your own posts.
Rene
Brian Guralnick wrote:
Test #2,
Is this message getting through?
My last 3 posts are missing.
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I got this Tasking offer, but wasn't able to log in.
My protel representative promised to solve the problem,
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Is it just me ?
Rene
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You are invited to have a look at them under www.nateurope.com.
By the way, do you have a name, intellasys?
Gisbert
intellasys
It sure does, Brian. :-)
Gisbert
Brian
Guralnick
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I must admit that protels action seems to follow a trend I watched on money
line (CNN)... what you do is look for shares in a software company which are
undervauled in some way.. either because their product is under priced or
they have a money winner but don't realise it yet (under
I logged in successfully the first day it was announced on the net.
Maybe that they cancelled the service after that because I ordered three
licences ;-)!
Emanuel
Rene Tschaggelar wrote:
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My protel representative promised to solve the
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Hello out there,
I am currently working on a design based on an older one. There are a lot of
parts in the Schematic that should disappear. After deleting them in the
Schematic I updatet the PCB and found, naturely, a lot of tracks with no Net.
Now here is my Problem: trying to
To add to Brad's note- I use keepouts to prevent polygon planes from pouring
in certain areas of my board. I don't want poylgons under smt resistors,
etc. I want to be able to control where the polys go. the only way is with
keepouts on specific layers, and in certain areas. It's a nuisance to
This feature has helped me in seperating important nets from the Gordian
Knot of the remaining nets.
Sean James
PCB Designer
Telecast Fiber Systems, Inc.
102 Grove Street
Worcester, MA 01605
(TEL) 508.754.4858 x33
(FAX) 413.541.6170
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To: Protel
Hi Waldemar,
I tried this Edit Select Net clicking on a No-Net-Track Clear
...and oops, all tracks and vias with No Net diappeared in my PCB.
I manually changed them from different nets to No Net before, just as a test.
I hope this will fit for you
Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Matthias
This is what I did to delete old tracks from components that had been
deleted:
1. Design, Netlist Manager, Menu, Update Free Primitives from Connected
copper (this sets the tracks to No Net, but it doesn't completely forget
about the old net so a global edit won't work)
2. Save the pcb file and
I successfully logged in. I needed the serial number, a 9 digit number that
I had never needed before. It was on the shipping announcement that was
faxed to me when I upgraded to 99se. It took me a while to find that piece
of paper!
Richard
At 09:45 AM 12/13/2001 Thursday +0100, you wrote:
I
Thanks Steve, you pointed me to a place of hope for resolving the
current problems I have in getting working the SI tool - I thought!
I downloaded and installed the manual and had a quick look to it. Up to
now I have the impression that they try to do something like to teach
walking to Carl
Hallo Waldemar,
if it still is possible to go back one step to the PCB with the components
to be deleted, I would suggest that you do so. Then, in PCB editor, select
Tools/Unroute/Components and unroute the components you want to be deleted.
Then do the update PCB from Schematic. There should
Getting the SI tools running is still the same mess as getting the PLD Stuff
running. The documentation from Protel is more than bad. we gave up getting
PLD running and now use external Software.
Both PLD and SI look to me as they were nothing more than quick-hacks for
only one reason, we must
I have not yet tried the SIM in 99SE, but I do think it is an important
feature of Protel. So it better darn well work, and better documentation is
needed. I quickly browsed the manual, but it didn't look too helpful where
SIM is concerned.
Perhaps a new term is needed: nullware. Software so
[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:
Hi Waldemar,
I tried this Edit Select Net clicking on a No-Net-Track Clear
and oops, all tracks and vias with No Net diappeared in my PCB.
I manually changed them from different nets to No Net before, just as a test.
I hope this will fit for you
I recently sent an e-mail to Altium regarding the Phoenix release,
asking if it would support HDI designs. If you really want to laugh take a
look at the response they gave me in regards to why ATS was started.
Protel has made this decision based on request from our current customers.
Our
Michael,
I agree 100% with your views on this. It is good for SCH PCB, but the
other tools, SIM PLD are poorly documented and basically of zero value.
Just good marketing/brochure fluff.
If they want to price this software like a true engineering CAD package,
with COMPLETE PLD and SIM
Jon,
Your experience with Protel support matches mine almost exactly, minus the
2 month late report.
I do wonder how many others have had the same experience?
Now, I would like to point out that all of us who post regularly to this
list are public figures now, and might receive preferential
On Wed, 12 Dec 2001 18:02:23 -0600, Jon Elson wrote:
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
Any comments on the level of support others have gotten?
I've called once and emailed a few times. The call was to inquire
whether Protel could do something I could do in Orcad or a
similar workaround in
I was able to log in and sign up with no trouble.
Matt Pobursky
Maximum Performance Systems
On Thu, 13 Dec 2001 09:45:27 +0100, Rene Tschaggelar wrote:
I got this Tasking offer, but wasn't able to log in.
My protel representative promised to solve the problem,
but I didn't hear anything since.
While I have set this parameter, it seems that new netlist loading will
still see the new connections use a default grey color which is not the
color I have set. Has anyone else seen this? Possibly a bug?
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From: Thomas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday,
Hello All,
Are all people that have downloaded the training manual ATS members? I cannot access
it, which is a shame (maybe)!
Thanks for your time.
Steve.
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Your experience with Protel support matches mine almost exactly, minus the
2 month late report.
I do wonder how many others have had the same experience?
Now, I would like to point out that all of us who post regularly to this
list are public figures now, and might receive preferential
On Wed, 12 Dec 2001 18:02:23 -0600, Jon Elson wrote:
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
Any comments on the level of support others have gotten?
I've not called for any tech support since Protel moved from California to
Utah. The last time I spoke to someone at Protel, Sam Cox and Vinh Ho were
Hello again,
I cannot login as an ATS member. P99SE was purchased at the beginning of
October (but that is in dispute at the moment), although the information
states that every license holder has limited ATS membership. My question is:
Are there any members of this list from outside the US that
My production facility (not pcb house) is asking for the following:
X/Y coordinates of components .TXT file
X/Y coordinates of test points/pads in .TXT file
Is it possible to generate those files in P99SE? If so, how?
Tim
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Hi all.
This is all very cute.
The email says ATS and 99SE customers, the website says ATS only.
I didn't get the original email at all (this is becoming too usual
even though I have confirmed that Protel has all my contact info for the
product licenses owned by our company).
My problem is when I turn on the netlist connection, all the net lines come
up as broken lines instead of solid lines regardless what color I am using.
I can not find any place to change netlist to different line style. It seems
only netlist color can be changed but not the line style in
Dwight,
the holes must overlap the outline otherwise the holes do not result
in any additional opening to allow the square corners into the inner
radiused corners of the board outline. This is a square peg trying to fit
into a round (radiused) hole issue.
As for Dennis' comment,
Yeah, I've talked to Vinh Ho in times past, too. He was helpful. See what
happens when you get too good at tech support? You become a former
employee.
Best regards,
Ivan Baggett
Bagotronix Inc.
website: www.bagotronix.com
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To: Protel EDA
Does anybody knows a good link or freeware for DC resistive calculation in
function with the thickness, width and length of a PCB track. I already know
about trace with calculator
http://www.aracnet.com/cgi-usr/gpatrick/trace.pl but this is not exactly
what I'm looking for, current and
Hi Steve,
Here is the address:
http://www.protel.com/etech/learningguides.htm
Best regards,
Max
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 8:40 AM
To: Protel EDA Forum
Subject: Re: [PEDA] Fwd: Protel 99 SE Training Manual
Tim,
Under the CAM outputs, you have choices to generate gerbers, NC Drill, Pik
and Place etc. This the the section that you wish to use. Just choose to
generate Pick and Place which gives you two files a *.txt and a *.csv file
of the X/Y co-ordinates for the components. Also choose to generate a
At 12:08 PM 12/13/2001 -0600, Mark wrote:
Hi Group,
I just got off the phone with Altium's USA sales rep. And she was
able to help me down load the training manual. It seems that the company
name has to be (in my case) spelt exactly the way it was entered into the
system. Marcella
Bill,
I do high speed DSP designs and we have used 99SE recently for 5
different 12 layer dual TMS320C6711 designs with PC100 memory. I was forced
to use POST MORTEM analysis to see if the route could possibly work in the
first place. I wrote a C program that directly imported the Protel
www.ultracad.com
Cheers.
Fabian Hartery
Research Engineer
Guigne International Limited
Paradise, Newfoundland
A1L1C1
tel: 709-895-3819
fax: 709-895-3822
email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
website: www.guigne.com
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From: Gaetan Fournier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday,
Download pcbtemp.exe from www.ultracad.com.
It has what resistance calculations built in.
Steve Smith
Product Engineer
Staco Energy Products Co.
Web Site: www.stacoenergy.com
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From: Gaetan Fournier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 12:19
Lloyd,
That works great! What's the difference between Mid XY, Ref XY, and Pad
XY?
Tim
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 1:51 PM
To: Protel EDA Forum
Subject: Re: [PEDA] .TXT File generation
Tim,
Under the CAM
Try http://www.hytekservices.com/downloads.htm
There is a current calculator.
It'll calculate the resitance in Ohms.
Konrad
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From: Gaetan Fournier [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 9:19 AM
Subject: [PEDA]
Gaetan,
try this calculator. It does the trace temp rise but also has a
section at the bottom for trace resistance and voltage drop at specific
currents.
www.ultracad.com/pcbtemp.zip
Sincerely,
Brad Velander.
Lead PCB Designer
Norsat International Inc.
#300 - 4401 Still Creek Drive,
thanks for the answer, but Edit Select Net clicking on a
No-Net-Track got
no effekts on my Design, huh!?! It works well when I choose an other
net.
Andys way helped me to select the tracks, I had to check same layer
to
prevent that Keepouts and Mech where chousen.
Gisbert, thanks
Mid is the geometric center of the object. Who knows exactly how they
compute it and what they take into account IIRC, this is what I've used
in the past.
I believe the Ref if the Reference point assigned when the component was
built in the library editor.
Pad? Dunno. Maybe this uses Pad1
Hello,,,
Mid is the geometric center of the spans of all of the pins in a
component.. (not the body outline.)
Ref is the origin of the component when the component was created in the
library..
Pad is Pad1 of the component...
Most of the time the component is and I believe should be built
At 09:37 AM 12/13/01 -0600, Frank Gilley wrote:
Now, I would like to point out that all of us who post regularly to this
list are public figures now, and might receive preferential treatment
simply to keep stuff like this off this board. I don't know if this is
happening, but it sure isn't
Thanks Tony, but I'm too busy to test the Pad XY theory right now.
(To Group) However, my next problem is that I have a 170 test points on the
bottom of my pcb that don't have the testpoint box checked and I can't
seem to globally edit to change them all so I can generate a testpoint
report. Any
I haven't called Protel for support, ever, so I don't have experience with
that. I was introduced to this list from the beginning. I've called many
times with issues around license resales, etc. My impression has been that
most of the people I talked with did not know who I was. (When Protel
At 09:38 AM 12/13/01 -0800, Brad Velander wrote:
Dwight,
the holes must overlap the outline otherwise the holes do not result
in any additional opening to allow the square corners into the inner
radiused corners of the board outline. This is a square peg trying to fit
into a round
At 12:19 AM 12/14/01 +0800, Kathy Quinlan wrote:
Since then I have had 3 phone calls to find out when I wanted to shift my 98
license to 99SE (I am refusing till they bring a *nix version out)
I wouldn't wait.
Right now upgrade from 98 to 99SE is $1595 *and it includes ATS, i.e., the
next
At 02:50 PM 12/13/01 -0400, Tim Fifield wrote:
Lloyd,
That works great! What's the difference between Mid XY, Ref XY, and Pad
XY?
Mid is the component centroid. It may only be the centroid of the extent
of the pads or it may include outline, I think it is the former.
Ref is the location of
If subscribers to this list were to receive preferential treatment, it
would most certainly be invisible.
The purpose of which would be to insure that posters here would have no
reason to complain about tech support on a public forum. In a highly
organized department this would typically
No, The board is placed but not rounted yet. But I did load the netlist into
the PCB few times. At first the netlist lines were solid. But now they are
hidden lines. Not sure when did that happen because I turned them off for
placement till now.
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From: Casey
At 12:21 PM 12/13/01 -0800, Samuel Cox \Sam\ wrote:
Most of the time the component is and I believe should be built with the
origin (Ref) at the center of PIN 1
so that when placement is performed you have the best chance to align all
or the most number of pins to a
testable /routing grid..
Oddly enough, the first time I called for Protel support back with P98, the first
thing they told me to do was join this list. Q, Does Protel send my support dollars
to maintain this group then?
Brian Guralnick
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From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax [EMAIL
At 03:34 PM 12/13/2001 -0500, Abdulrahman Lomax wrote:
Right now upgrade from 98 to 99SE is $1595 *and it includes ATS, i.e., the
next release should be free.
The price goes back up Jan 1 to $1995, and there are indications that it
will go up again when Phoenix is released.
Do you know for a
But abd ul-Rahman,
do you want to edit approx. 200+ lines and curves making up the
board outline to adjust them to some other offset for use as the keepout? I
didn't think so. I also have to do this for 4 variations in board outlines
where approx. 20 - 25% of the board outline is
I just talked to a sales rep. regarding the 20% discount. It is for 98 users
only, they get 20% off the 99SE price and one year of ATS. They have to pay
the full price for Phoenix when it is released.
regards,
Ted
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From: Frank Gilley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent:
Hit 'Print Screen' to copy the whole screen into window's clipboard
[EMAIL PROTECTED] on 12/14/2001 08:19:57 AM
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To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cc:(bcc: Clive Broome/sdc)
Subject: [PEDA] Clipboard to copy from PCB to
Steve,
You can export the print preview parts out to a windows metafile, but for
small snips of pcb this is a real lengthy process. You're better to use a
utility (shareware) called Snag-it . This is a great little utility and
very easy to use, you can select portions of the screen or the whole
Gisbert,
You make some nice products where your work. I couldn't zoom in enough to
see what parts your using. I own the Lattice, Xilinx and Altera tools.
None were free. Used Actel at one point. It also was not free. So, who's
free tools are you using and what devices can they target?
I was told that the year starts when you upgrade, so not everyone will have
to make there ATS payment at the same time.
Regards,
Ted
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 5:21 PM
To: Protel EDA Forum
Subject: Re: [PEDA]
Though the compiling tools for Xilinx Altera cost money, I must admit that
there is a ton of work involved within the development of these tools. As an
example, Altera's Quartus takes my mess of gates, logic VHDL numbering in the
million range, mushes them together, simplifies it down to
Brian,
So, you agree that it's alright for these companies to recover their
investments by charging for the software tools and not just for the IC's.
When I bought into the Magnum, it was about $7K/seat with a $1.5K annual
fee. I have found Altera's support to be lacking, and I have long given
If you would, please email the C program to me directly?
Thanks in advance.
Mark Gavett
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From: Gordon Price [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'Protel EDA Forum' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 12:09 PM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] Signal Analysis ?
At 04:16 PM 12/13/01 -0500, Brian Guralnick wrote:
Oddly enough, the first time I called for Protel support back with
P98, the first
thing they told me to do was join this list. Q, Does Protel send my
support dollars
to maintain this group then?
Fortune smiled on you that day. Most
At 03:30 PM 12/13/01 -0600, Frank Gilley wrote:
Do you know for a fact that upgrading from 98 to 99SE will get you the
next release free due to ATS membership? Or is this speculation?
It has been represented to me as a certainty.
The fact is that 99SE is enough of an improvement over P98 to
I could have said this more strongly:
At 03:30 PM 12/13/01 -0600, Frank Gilley wrote:
Do you know for a fact that upgrading from 98 to 99SE will get you the
next release free due to ATS membership? Or is this speculation?
ATS explicitly includes upgrades released during the ATS period, that's
At 04:22 PM 12/13/01 -0600, Ted Tontis wrote:
I just talked to a sales rep. regarding the 20% discount. It is for 98 users
only, they get 20% off the 99SE price and one year of ATS. They have to pay
the full price for Phoenix when it is released.
That is *not* how it has been announced. ATS
From Protel website:
- 20% discount on your Protel full-suite new license or upgrade*
- 12-months free ATS membership (retail value US $1,995) which guarantees
you the next Protel version FREE!**
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From: Ted Tontis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, December
I've had over a dozen emails from Altium support in the last couple months,
regarding 3 or 4 different issues/questions. The problems weren't all
resolved completely, but the personnel are definitely making an effort to
respond constructively.
I have to say there was a dry spell about a year
I know that the pick and Place file when you generate the Gerber files will
give the X/Y coordinates of the components and their rotation. I am not
familiar with a way to get the testpoint coordinates
Anthony Whitesell
Sunrise Labs
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From: Tim Fifield [mailto:[EMAIL
Hi
I have downloaded it without problems. Our company has bought additional
licenses in July 2001. I think there is one year ATS included.
Regards
Wolfgang Geier
JUMPtec AG
PPC Embedded Components
Stephen Casey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
13.12.2001 17:06
Please respond to Protel EDA Forum
Setting this color (Options | Colors | Connections) has no effect on my
system (99SEsp6). I seem to recall a discussion about this some time ago,
and no one got it to work.
So, Tom -- does this actually work for you?
Dwight.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL
Steve,
I'm a P99SE user since december 1999 and do not experience any problems
logging in to download the training manual.
The hardest thing was looking up the current license.
Regards,
Ben Uijtenhaak
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Gatsometer BV
P.O. Box 4959
2003EZ Haarlem
The Netherlands
phone : +31
Hi
Go to Print/Preview -Edit-Copy . You can insert the layout in other
programs.
regards
Wolfgang Geier
JUMPtec AG
PPC Embedded Components
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