Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home

[Chris]

Couple of ideas--try Fancy Feast for Miss Kitty... all of mine always go crazy for it==sort of like a treat! LOL And for Oz, if vet can't find anything wrong w. his hips--maybe give him Cosequin==I sprinkle a tablet on my guys' wet food every other day and it did make a difference.. -Original Message-
From: Kathryn Green 
Sent: Nov 30, 2012 6:40 PM
To: catatonya 
Cc: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home

An update for all:Miss Kitty is fitting right in with the rest of the household, both canine and feline.  She is the one who the lady actually abandoned. She is young, pure black Bombay kitty.  Not a spec of @white anywhere.  And she is a purring machine.  She does have a strange habit tho.she totally refuses to eat any type of Cannes cat food. Scarfs down the dry, turn her nose up at anything out of can.
Oz is the old battle scarred male that came along as part of the Miss Kitty package although, technically he started it all!  While both treated negative for FeLV, he was positive for FIV. His sneezing, coughing, wheezing and runny eyes are much better and he has gained a lot of weight.  
I was concerned that his back end stayed scrawny - almost like a dog with hip displaysia, And he gets very upset if you touch his hind quarters.  I have another vet visit scheduled for him to see if we can figure out what that is all about.  He also isn't much at socializing with ANY species and spends the majority of his time in a little cat house in the master bath.
Will drop a quick note when Oz has seen the vet again.Katcatatonya catato...@yahoo.com wrote:
This happened to one of my cats. He ended up negative. I hope the same happens for yours.tonya
  
  From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2012 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home   Sandy hit us hard! We had 3 feet of heavy wet snow which pulled down trees
as well as electric and phone lines. I had no idea we'd get hit so hardthis far inland, as we are in the eastern mountains of WV, but we had noelectricity for two weeks and we still don't have a phone or internet
service. We have to drive out to a place that has service.Anyway, I was not able to check into the group all this time, and I wasvery worried about that cat in Ohio who was abandoned. Now I know bothcats are fine and have found a home. 
THANK YOU A MILLION TIMES for your kindness in taking these poor babies. The woman
 who abandoned them should be ashamed of herself. I'd like to see her chained to her front porch all winter with no food or shelter!Lorrie and 24 rescued catsOn 10-31, Kathryn Green wrote: Thanks to all for kind words. I am what I am - an animal lover.
  For those who care to know:  I got both cats tho had to drive all the way to camp ground, (abt 6 hrs round trip), as cats were uncooperative to the point of downright hostility when Marcia's brother, Craig, had them in cardboard
 carriers. Cat scratch fever! He ended up putting them/in folding dog crate til I got there.  Appears the grey one (actually more of a brown/black/grey tabby), was NOT the one the woman had deserted. The smaller black female was
 hers. The grey is a battle scarred fully intact male who roamed the campground. Craig had
 the honor of naming him - Ozzie it is. Oz for short. I am concerned about him as he is hoarse, has a funny nose, tearing eyes and sneezesupper resp issues at the very least I suspect. As soon as I closed them in my master bathroom (quarantine),
 he spent over 1/2 hr scarfing down food and water.  Smaller black cat appears to have absolutely NO white on her. Not on chest, feet, tip of tail, nothing. Never seen one pure black before.
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Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be?

[Chris Macke]

I help both and the kitties are much more appreciative.

Chris 

  - Original Message - 
  From: GRAS 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 4:24 PM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be?


  When people ask me why I rescue cats and help animals, and why I don't help 
people instead (accusingly, of course), I tell them that the two are not 
mutually exclusive and besides, there are plenty of people who help people. My 
question to them is, do you help people?,  which often catches them off guard 
because they probably don't.

  I'm so glad that I never came across a veterinarian like that, although I've 
heard of some jerks like that around here..

  Natalie

  From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
  Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 1:58 PM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be?

   

  Had to send this again because it bounced back the first time.  I hate it 
when it does that.




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  Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] What could it be?
  Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 13:40:59 -0400

  Ha, ha - I love it!!!  You sound as pissed off as I was.  Believe me he is on 
my shitlist too.  I was boiling about it for days.  Matter of fact I was just 
telling my co-worker about him this morning and I got pissed off again thinking 
about it.

  I guess he just wanted me to take her home and watch her die.  I don't know.  
He never did go as far as to say that exactly because I said I wanted him to 
give her fluids and do a blood test and then e-mail this other vet so I could 
get this experimental drug for dry form of FIP.  I didn't give him a chance to 
send me away with nothing.  Course, at the time other than the fever she was 
doing okay.  Although she was wobbly on her back legs she was still eating and 
everything although she had lost some weight.  So she wasn't in any pain.  But 
I think with a temperature of 104 he would have wanted to do something about 
that anyway.  The thing is that like toxoplasmosis shows the same symptoms as 
the dry form of FIP and if it was that it could be treated with some 
antibiotics that aren't even that expensive.  He's such a dumbass.  I didn't 
know that the symptoms were the same until a couple days later and when I asked 
him about it he said he had thought about it when he was looking at her.  So if 
he thought about it and didn't suggest a test for it then he didn't care.  He 
figured with FeLV she's going to die sooner or later so why spend money doing 
any kind of tests or treatments on her.  I'm surprised he didn't suggest 
killing her.  BTW - it's not euthanization unless it's to end suffering so at 
that point it would have been just killing her.

  I like your answer about doing what you do for the animals.  I'm going to 
steal it.  Most everybody just thanks me for helping the animals (I feed ferals 
so I run into different people that see me doing it plus going to adoptions, 
etc.) but every now and then I get someone who asks why I do it, as though it's 
a bad thing or beneath me or something.  I'll use your answer for those folks.  
It's probably better than what I normally say to them, if you know what I mean!

  Maureen



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  From: marciabmar...@gmail.com
  Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 12:14:58 -0500
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be?

  What the hell is wrong with this vet, that he didn't even want to help a 
little helpless suffering animal feel better? And he has the knowledge and 
power to do just that!! I'm baffled. Not tooting my own horn by any means, but 
when people ask me why I do what I do for animals, the only answer I have for 
them is because I can, and that obligates me.  I make no money of course, but 
I spend plenty. I guess it all boils down to caring enough. That vet would and 
is on my shitlist and I don't even know him.

  Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 
2010. 

   



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Re: [Felvtalk] Tanya's CRF Site

[Chris Macke]

Just google Tanya's CRF site and it will come right up
  - Original Message - 
  From: Val Green 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 12:44 PM
  Subject: [Felvtalk] Tanya's CRF Site


  I must have missed it, but can someone give me Tanya's site about CRF? My 
beloved Manny cat has CRF and I want to do as much as I can for him. 


  Thank you all,


  Valerie
  On Feb 7, 2012, at 9:57 AM, Holly Shelton hsshel...@aol.com wrote:


Tanya's CRF site is awesome. It really helped me turn my renal cat around.  
I can't access my list of things to feed when cats refuse to eat right now.  
Off the top of my head: a plain McDonald's hamburger patty, all meat baby food, 
boiled chicken, cheese, lunchmeat, smelly fish food.. I am just learning 
about Felv.  My prior experience with cat issues is with diabetes and renal 
failure.  Sending you good thoughts.  Holl font



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Sent: Tue, Feb 7, 2012 1:30 am
Subject: [Felvtalk] News about Ginger


My vet ordered Interferon and Cyproheptadine. The vet suspects leukemia is 
already in  kitty's bone marrow. Ginger kitty refuses to eat his food but tried 
to eat his cat litter last night. What should I do? Euthanasia? I can't see my 
darling suffer like this! Marinda 
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[Felvtalk] New to group with 3 FeLV + 10 week old kittens

[chris]

Hi all,

 

I'm new to the group.  I do Cat rescue for a Northern Virginia group and
took in 3 Persian Mix bottle babies (one female, two male) in November.
They were all scheduled for adoption at 8 weeks and the first one out tested
FeLV+.  All adoptions fell through.  They are gorgeous and affectionate.
They are now 10 weeks old.  All are ELISA + and one tested IFA +. It is
assumed that they received FeLV from the missing mother.  What are the
chances of finding adoptive homes for them? Or should I be looking for a
sanctuary?

 

Chris

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Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie

[Chris]

Will also show laundry soap (as I learned when I had a ringworm kitty)LOL

Christiane Biagi
Volunteer-Friends of the Animal Shelter (FOAS)
914-720-6888
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-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Laurieskatz
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 2:10 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie

I would skip the black light as it will show anything organic (spit and
urine and vomit).
If it doesn't smell, it isn't urine. Trust me. You would have no question if
it's urine.

Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy
untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them
of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride
yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your
greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces
of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of
us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky



-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 10:49 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie

The bed was wet again this morning, near where he was laying last night.  I 
put my hand on it and it didn't smell.  That's what throws me.  The black 
light trick is a good one -- I'll see what I can come up with!
I asked my mom is Lucky drools and slobbers -- she's in a convalescent 
hospital following two severe strokes and communicating is hard -- but she 
dearly loves her Lucky.  She said, Yes, he slobbers a lot.  So, maybe that

is the answer!
- Original Message - 
From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 6:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie


 Some cats are real droolers - it may have nothing to do with teeth - I 
 used
 to have one cat that made my arm and lap totally wet with droolif the
 drool isn't clear, then it could be a sign of something else.

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
 Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 3:41 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie

 Laurie
 Why don't you guys like WB cat litter?  Just curious.  I've tried many 
 types

 and find it pretty good.  I will look up Dr. Elsey's.
 Lucky's teeth look good.  He likes to rub his mouth on my hand when we're
 having our Love Sessions... and he'll very gently nibble.  I thought, 
 Wow,
 I bet I could brush this cat's teeth.  Something I would never get away
 with on my other cats.
 Lucky is an odd cat, and I suspect he's quite bright.
 I'm hoping for drool vs. pee!
 Thanks for your insights.
 ~Bonnie
 - Original Message - 
 From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 12:28 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE


 Bonnie, if it was pee there would be NO mistaking it! Has anyone checked
 his
 teeth if he is drooling? That sounds like a lot of drool. And I bet it is
 drool.
 The vet (at catinfo.org) hates World's best cat litter, btw.
 She and I used Dr. Elsey's Ultra Precious cats.
 L

 Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy
 untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive
 them
 of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride
 yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with
 your
 greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the 
 traces
 of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of
 us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky



 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
 Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 1:57 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE

 Think like the
 cat and you will have your answer! -- I like that!

 This sounds strange, but I'm not sure it's pee because it doesn't stink
 much.  The vet said it could be pee or, get this, it could be drool.
 Lucky
 lays on the bed and looks pretty comfortable, and he is a major league
 drooler!  He has the room and the box to himself, so no anxiety there.  I
 see pee-clumps in the box, but I suppose he could still be peeing the bed
 just because.  I use World's Best Cat Litter -- also world's most
 expensive -- and it really is excellent stuff.  I scoop his box daily.
 But
 I might need to change the litter more.
 Anyway, now I'm doing a test: putting a water-proof cover on the 
 mattress,
 wash and replace the sheets and see if I can tell what's really going on.
 Cats...anything is possible with these amazing animals!

 - Original Message - 
 From: Laurieskatz 

Re: [Felvtalk] Questions about FeLV

[Chris]

My Tucson has had a couple of episodes where he gums, etc were real pale 
wouldn't eat--not eating for her is a sure sign she really is sick.  My vet
gave her a series of immune regulin shots  she bounced back.  In the
meantime, I cleaned out the refrigerator trying to find something she would
eat.  I got her Gerber baby food (stage 2) ham, turkey  beef in gravy and
she did lick a couple of teaspoon fulls.  Gave her the Tuna water from
canned tuna, cold cuts, cheese, anything and everything.  Believe it or
not, warm Kentucky Fried Chicken (or something similar) can sometimes be a
lure.  Trappers use it to lure ferals.  She'd nibble a bit but then
wouldn't eat it again so I always had to come up with something else.  

If your cat is dehydrated, you can do fluids at home--its not hard at all.
Vet can show you how to do that  give you the fluid bottles  hookup. 

Getting medicine in a cat--particularly one who's sick  doesn't want to
eat-is a major challenge.  Syringing liquids into her mouth is never
perfect but its better than nothing--if she spits most of it out, you can
shoot a bit more a second time  hope you got enough in her.  There's also
a petinic like product that comes in a tube--its malt based  sometimes,
the cats love it and will lick it off your finger.  

I know its tough and very scary.  But it sounds like you're doing all that
you can do...  



Christiane Biagi
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-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-
boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of A D
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 3:25 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Questions about FeLV

Hi, my cat was the picture of health about two weeks ago. She’s 2 years
old, female, spayed, orange tabby. She would literally bounce off the walls
running around the house. She’s so wonderful ♥

Anyway, about two weeks ago, she started sleeping constantly, and one day
(9/17) I noticed her nose, gums, and pads had turned white…instead of
their normal pink. So I took her in and they took some blood…said that day
that she is VERY anemic L Since that was a Friday, we got the results the
following Monday. FeLV L She barely eats, almost never uses the litter box
(and her urine is pretty dark when she does go), sleeps almost 24 hours a
day, and has lost a bit of weight (not good when she only started at 7lbs
in the first place L).

 

I got her Pet-tinic vitamins cuz a vet suggested them. I tried to get her
to drink kitten formula cuz I figured part of it’s job is to help kittens
build up their immune systems. She was put on antibiotics the Monday that
her tests came back. After 4-5 days, she began refusing the medicine. It’s
a liquid and she would spit it all back out. So, she probably didn’t get
all she was supposed to. 

 

When she does eat, it is usually just the liquid part of canned cat food.
She is still able to jump off the bed and walk to the kitchen (where the
dry food bowl and litter box are), but usually wears out on her way back
out of the kitchen, and lays down. She is so skinny…I’m not even sure she
has much muscle left. She has always been skinny, but not like this.

 

Well, a few days ago, her white pads and nose started turning yellow. I
know that has something to do with her liver not working right. 

 

Oh yeah…the way the vet put her anemia…normal range is 29%-45% (or
something like that), and my kitty’s came back at 16% L

 

Does anyone have any advice as to what we could do to help her? How will we
know if she has pain?

 

The vet that gave us the results (a substitute cuz regular vet was out for
the week) said if she makes it the next couple months, and seems any
better, to get her re-tested. That some cats fight it off and can test
negative a couple months later. So, that means SOME cats get over this. And
I read online that some cats live for a few years with it, after showing
symptoms. Just gives me a little hope…then I look at her…and she looks so
bad…and I think there isn’t much hope. So hard to watch.

 

At what point do you give up and have an FeLV+ cat put to sleep? I figured
if she shows signs of being in pain (once I know what those are), or has a
seizure, or absolutely stops eating and drinking anything, that it would be
time. I don’t want her to suffer, but I also want to give her every chance
to survive…ya know?

 

Anyway, thanks for letting me go on and on…as you can tell this is really
very hard on me emotionally, as I’m sure it is on anyone and everyone who
has to deal with it.

 

~Anndrea 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Foster cat with FeLV

[Chris]

There's a pretty active Persian Yahoo group that might be of help.
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Persian_Rescue/ 

 

Also, do you know if both the Snap Elissa test (in office) AND the IFA
(Blood test sent out) were done.  Make sure the IFA is done as you really
need to confirm the Snap test results.  

 

Christiane Biagi

ti...@mindspring.com 

 

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rachel
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:45 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Foster cat with FeLV

 

Hi-

 

I work with a nonprofit animal rescue based in Cincinnati, Ohio.  Two weeks
ago 

we took in an owner-surrender cat who tested positive yesterday for FeLV.
We 

had him retested this evening at another facility and that test also came
back 

positive.  Unfortunately we do not have any fosters who can accommodate an 

FeLV-positive cat out of concern for our own and other foster animals.  I am


trying desperately to find alternate placement for Oscar locally, but am not


having a lot of success.  

 

 

Oscar is a purebred odd-eyed white Persian cat.  He is about three years old
and 

is asymptomatic.  He was purchased from a breeder as a kitten and was kept
as an 

indoor-only cat in a household with no other cats.  Does anyone here know of
any 

resources or organizations that may be able to take Oscar in?  We are
willing to 

transport Oscar (within reason).  He has been neutered and will be fully 

vaccinated prior to placement.  I would absolutely hate for this friendly, 

gorgeous cat to be euthanized simply because alternate placement cannot be 

found.

 

Thank you, 

 

Rachel Richardson

 

 

 

  

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Re: [Felvtalk] for Melinda

[Chris]

You know, each of those little ones have their own personalities and try as
we want, we can't really change that.  Sounds like your little one has a
mind of her own and you're right, keeping her stressed out inside wouldn't
do her much good!  It sounds like you've got a pretty good situation for her
little strolls.  About the only thing I'd suggest is that you keep an eye
that she doesn't get sniffles or cut or things like that.  FELV+ have a
tougher time fighting off infections and you'd want to catch anything that
could get infected w. her.  Short of that, enjoy and let her enjoy--sounds
like she's a great kitty!  

Christiane Biagi
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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Melinda Kerr
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 3:33 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] for Melinda

I was actually looking for a little confirmation that being outside some
would be OK.  She went out today, got caught in a rainstorm and was back
within the hour!  All the neighbors know her well and even tolerate her
visiting (sneaking in an open door.)  She is very popular in the
neighborhood and I think everyone pretty much looks out for her.  I'll keep
sitting out with her every morning and try to keep her close:)

Thanks,
Melinda and Fuji

On Sep 19, 2010, at 11:24 PM, Lorrie wrote:

 Hi Melinda,
 
 I know how difficult, if not impossible, it is to keep cats
 inside.  We have 13 rescued cats who had all been outside cats
 before we rescued them.
 
 We moved where we are because our house is on a dead end street with
 no traffic and we are surrounded by woods.  Therefore, when our cats
 escape, which they often do I don't worry as much. In other words I
 think it all depends on your area. If it's safe, and Fuji is unhappy
 being confined inside. I'd let her have some freedom outside.  I know
 a lot of people in the group won't agree with me, but this works for
 me, and my cats are always inside at night.  I don't feed them after 
 about 3:00 pm so they are hungry and come dashing in before dark.
 
 Lorrie
 
 
 On 09-18, Melinda Kerr wrote:
 
 I forgot to add that on our very small base there are no wild
 animals, most strays are caught almost immediately ( Fuji is
 collared and chipped) and the likelihood of Fuji coming across and
 getting into a confrontation with another cat are very slim.  Most
 people who have cats brought them from the states and have already
 had them vaccinated.  Again, very few are actually let out.  The
 speed limit on most of the base is less than 40 kilometers per hour
 (about 25 mph.) I know there are a lot of things she can come
 across if she goes outside.  I'll probably keep trying to sit out
 with her as I have done since she got sick.  However, if she
 occasionally manages to escape my clutches, I won't worry too much! 
 She stays pretty close and always comes home in a couple of hours. 
 I really am trying to do my best to keep her healthy and happy.
 
 Thanks again for your input and concern.  
 
 Melinda and Fuji  
 On Sep 18, 2010, at 6:49 AM, Cougar Clan wrote:
 
 Suggestion:  Fix her a secure kennel outside.  I put up a 12x12x6 foot
kennel with a topper (anything, including a tarp, will work.  I used left
over chain link).  Daddy had a piece of ductwork fixed so Ebony and Mi Tu
could go to a window in a bath, go through a pet door, walk out in the
ductwork and down a ramp into a kennel fitted with plastic milk crates and
other toys.   Both cats were FeLV-, healthy and wonderful.  Ebony had been
a street cat until about age 3 +.  He became a yard cat then an inside
outside cat then he and I moved and he needed to be an inside cat with a
play area.  The cost was less than $300 and I rested secure in the knowledge
that Ebony (who was getting older) and Mi Tu (who had never lived inside)
had a safe place to go.
 
 If you just let her go you are endangering other cats she may come into
contact with.  You may be subjecting her to a painful death too.  If she
becomes sick, other animals will prey on her.  I'll leave the details to
you.  I don't tell you this to scare you but to be sure you realize what you
may be doing.  Dixie was grown when she can into my life.  She was FeLV+ and
very alone.  She became a garage cat then a house trailer cat then a two
house cat who had everything.  I thought about just letting her go but could
not do that to the other cats that depended on me...nor could I face
what might happen to her.  We live in the country with dogs, coyotes, hawks
and.well, you get the idea.
 
 With a lot of stress-reducers, your little one will adjust.  Actually,
getting a companion who is FELV+ may be the best answer.
 
 
 On Sep 17, 2010, at 4:33 PM, Melinda Kerr wrote:
 
 Hello all,
 
 I haven't really posted much and I've never actually shared my story.
I will be brief now and say that I have a 15 month young kitty who is FeLV
positive and receiving 

Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

[Chris]

Screen or baby gate for a few days is a great idea.  Let them sniff each
other without direct confrontation.  Try to let him explore the house by
himself at first and then slowly let them out together for a short while but
supervise.  Don't know if each has a sep food dish or place to eat--my 4
have 4 dishes and they sort of go to their corner in the kitchen at meal
time.  Of course, they then go cruising to see what might be left over in
each other's dish  I have one who always gets the short end of the stick.
Just watch that there are no tussles and that he doesn't get pushed away. I
have 2 boxes for my 4 and they just go in whichever one they want.  For the
new guy, just watch that nobody starts bullying him as he heads to a box.  I
have 2 water dishes and they go where they want.  I got a bunch of those
cheap donut kitty beds  have them around and each stakes one out for a
while and then moves on.  Bottom line, my suggestions really center around
not letting the new guy feel he has to fight for anything--food, water, the
box, your attention, etc.  And not letting him get pushed around by the old
ones.  And, in reverse, nipping in the bud any moves he makes to bully any
of the old one.  Last thought--sometimes, having a group treat time where
I sit on the floor and they all come running to get some treats I hand out.
I sometimes do that when I notice one or the other is particularly testy.
But of course, they're cats and they all have their days just like we do!


Christiane Biagi
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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 11:33 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
Importance: High

So here is a question about Integrating a New Cat
I've got Lucky in the back bedroom.  The other 3 hear him meow.  Some even 
peer under the door and hiss at him.  So, what's next?  Just open the door 
and say Hello, everyone!?  Or maybe put a screen or fence up so they can 
see eachother for a few days?  It's been a week and I figured after another 
week it's time for poor Lucky to join the crowd (after everyone is 
vaccinated, of course).  I'm stressing out over what to do.
Help?
- Original Message - 
From: dlg...@windstream.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia


 THE FERALS I HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY ALL LIKE MY BED AND HAVE BECOME THE 
 BIGGEST LAP BABIES EVER.
  Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
 I would advise the same...do not tempt fate by letting him out again. 
 Use
 some Feliway spray or plug-in to de-stress their/his environment!
 Re: feral cats - 90% of the cats that I trap are feral!  I don't release
 them; all of them adapt perfectly to living indoors - some have 
 absolutely
 no desire to use their outdoor enclosure, they must be so happy to have a
 roof over their heads! Most become tame and are adopted, for some it 
 happens
 too late and they're too old for anyone wanting them - couch potatoes,
 nonetheless!.Natalie

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cougar Clan
 Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 8:38 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
 Importance: High

 Some will disagree but, if you can, keeping Lucky inside will help
 keep him healthy at his age even w/o the FeLV issue.  There are some
 ferals who hang out at Mom's that are in that age group and I worry
 about them. They can't be touched but are very wonderful cats.  I live
 trapped them to s/n but they would totally stress out in a house.
 Lucky has settled down into a house routine as some other ferals of
 mine have.  Don't tempt fate by letting him out again.  (MHO)



 On Sep 16, 2010, at 11:01 PM, Bonnie Hogue wrote:

  Thanks, Tanya, that is helpful information.
  Lucky is between 11 and 13 yrs.  My other cats are: 14, 9 and 7.  I
  keep my cats _strictly_ indoors.   Lucky would have to adapt to that
  life, or show me he will stay only in my yard (which, at his age, he
  might do).  Thanks for the info on IFA -- I will request that.
  My main fears are(1) food and water dish sharing, and (2) litter box
  sharing.  I keep one box per cat, but that does not mean each cat
  uses its own box.  So I suspect there is box sharing.  And I know
  that they eat indiscriminately from the dishes.
  - Original Message - From: TANYA NOE 
  sashacatgodd...@yahoo.com
  
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 4:35 PM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
 
 
How old are your other cats? Cats develop some natural immunity
  with age. After the age of 1-3 they become less likely to develop
  FeLV. If vaccinated and over 3 the risk is there but small. How 

Re: [Felvtalk] New to Feline Leukemia

[Chris]

I've had 2 FELV+ cats--one was an adult stray that I was feeding who I found
out was pos when I brought him in.  He was an older cat who had not had an
easy life but he lived several more years in peace  comfort before he
succumbed to lymphoma last fall.  But my Tucson was diagnosed several years
after I got her as a kitten.  She had tested neg on snap test.  When my long
time vet noticed something that made him retest  then find out that she had
likely been pos all her life, he told me he had no experience w. FELV  made
some suggestions about other vet facilities that might have.  I spoke to the
director of my local shelter who suggested I talk to a local woman who would
take FELV+ cats from them when she had room.  That woman gave me the name of
the vet she uses--turned out he was a vet that a friend had recommended.  He
was very helpful in easing my mind, was not real concerned about mixing, and
made some good suggestions about food  nutritutional supplements.  Bottom
line, it helps if your vet has had some experience with FELV or at least is
willing to educate himself.  Maybe there's a rescue near you that works with
FELV+ that could give you some ideas.  

I'm surprised that your vet didn't suggest the IFA test--it is costlier than
the in office snap test but would tell you more conclusively if Lucky is in
fact pos.  Also, you might want to think about having a full blood panel.
Might give you a head start on any other issues he might have and would give
you a baseline reading for the future.  Finances are ALWAYS a big issue--but
making a little investment now might prevent more problems in the future.
Basically, no matter whether he's really pos or neg, you're doing the very
best things you  can do for Lucky (and it sure sounds like he knows it!)

Christiane Biagi
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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 11:57 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] New to Feline Leukemia

Yeah, I don't know this vet all that wellHe's young (which can be 
good -- maybe up on the latest technology) and I don't really have a read on

him.  Maybe he's just a little bit in a hurry.  I'm thinking of taking Lucky

to someone more experienced.  Frankly -- and I hate to say it -- but 
finances are a big consideration.  But if it is a matter of his quality of 
life, we'll have to find a way.
~B.
- Original Message - 
From: Cougar Clan maima...@duo-county.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] New to Feline Leukemia


I am very sure he does.  The drooling is a sign of contentment as is  the 
purring and kneading.  He sounds like a wonderful little guy.

 How confident are you in your vet?  If the answer is not 110%,  consider a

 consultation with another vet.
 On Sep 16, 2010, at 5:12 PM, Bonnie Hogue wrote:

 Thanks, Cougar Clan.  I am looking up a holistic vet here in Sonoma 
 County.

 Lucky was living outside and not coming around for feeding.  I knew  I 
 had to do something when I spotted him just after sunset one  evening on 
 the neighbor's roof, looking out on the world.  It was  the saddest, most

 forlorn sight I'd ever seen.  I knew then that  this little guy was 
 feeling abandoned and wondering what to do and  where to go.  My next act

 was to open a can of tuna to lure him in.   It worked.  Two days of 
 feeding canned food and I nabbed him.  I  think he was relieved.  He is 
 adjusting well (smartest cat I ever  met).  I went in an laid on the bed 
 and he did all the things my mom  used to tell me about: drooling while 
 he purred, kneading,  stretching out his full length next to me.  What a 
 special cat,  indeed.  I am committed to helping him and keeping him safe

 and  healthy.  I tell him, Lucky, maybe it's time you retire, you know? 
 No more fights or catching rats -- just live the good life on easy 
 street!  Hope he agrees!
 - Original Message - From: Cougar Clan maima...@duo-county.com
 
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 12:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] New to Feline Leukemia


 Personally, I would read the information on the board about the 
 testing procedures and have him retested.  Meanwhile I would  vaccinate 
 my cats and keep Lucky safe until he is retested.   Depending on what 
 you decide to do about mixing (again this board  has lots of 
 information--I mixed after one cat (FELV-) was  diagnosed with terminal 
 cancer), you go forward the best way you  can.  A spare room is not a 
 bad thing.  Just make all your  decisions with love for Lucky.

 Feed all of the cats the absolute best diet you can and keep them  as 
 stress free as possible.  Lucky has gone through a lot and I  cannot 
 imagine the pain and stress of your mother's illness and  their 
 separation has caused both of them.  I like to 

Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

[Chris]

Since my Tucson was not diagnosed until years after I brought her in, I
opted to leave her mixed with my neg cats.  I had the other 3 vaccinated (2
shots).  They had all been sharing boxes, dishes, groomed each other, had
the occasional spats, etc. and none were pos.  I believe its much harder for
adult cats to develop this condition--actually, it's the pos cat who's most
at risk of getting sniffles, etc from the other cats.  But if you keep them
inside  continue the good care, that wouldn't be a big issue.

As for turning Lucky into an inside cat--I brought my Romeo in after he'd
been out on the street for years.  From the point that he discovered my bed,
he never looked back.  He wouldn't even sit at the window to look outside or
run into my hallway like my others do.  Its as though he said been
there--done that and was now ready for the good life.  I suspect that
Lucky's at that point

Christiane Biagi
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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 12:01 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
Importance: High

Thanks, Tanya, that is helpful information.
Lucky is between 11 and 13 yrs.  My other cats are: 14, 9 and 7.  I keep my 
cats _strictly_ indoors.   Lucky would have to adapt to that life, or show 
me he will stay only in my yard (which, at his age, he might do).  Thanks 
for the info on IFA -- I will request that.
My main fears are(1) food and water dish sharing, and (2) litter box 
sharing.  I keep one box per cat, but that does not mean each cat uses its 
own box.  So I suspect there is box sharing.  And I know that they eat 
indiscriminately from the dishes.
- Original Message - 
From: TANYA NOE sashacatgodd...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 4:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia


How old are your other cats? Cats develop some natural immunity with 
 age. After the age of 1-3 they become less likely to develop FeLV. If 
 vaccinated and over 3 the risk is there but small. How old is the cat that

 tested positive? If under a year there is a good chance the cats body can 
 rid itself of the virus. I would wait 6 weeks and retest the cat again 
 regardless of age and see if it still shows positive. You can also do an 
 IFA which tests to see if the virus has settled into the bone marrow. Once

 in the marrow it cannot be eliminated from the body.
 I have a 14 year old negative cat and a 2 year old positive cat. I do 
 not separate them, there is still a small risk allowing them together but 
 I vaccinate the negative one and cross my fingers. I don't know if I have 
 ever seen anyone on here post that a neg turned pos from mixing, again 
 though still a risk.

 Hope this helps,
 Tanya

 --- On Thu, 9/16/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thursday, September 16, 2010, 2:55 PM
 All vaccines are only about 80%
 effectiveI really don't have much
 experience with this because I have two very healthy
 FeLV+ cats, living
 separately from others. But I would think that if
 retested, being only a
 weak positive, maybe the cat will be negative! It
 seems to have been
 really run down, the immune system was definitely
 compromised, fighting an
 infection, fleasGood luck! Natalie

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
 On Behalf Of Debbie Bates
 Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 1:23 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia


 Bonnie, it got through! Hang in there for just a
 bitthere are many
 extremely well informed members who will have any and all
 information you
 need! I am not dealing with any felv cats, but come
 here often so that I
 stay informed

 Debbie
 We choose our joys and sorrows long before we experience
 them. - Kahlil
 Gibran



  From: ho...@sonic.net
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 09:32:46 -0700
  Subject: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
 
  This e-mail got bounced back to meam trying one
 more time.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Bonnie Hogue
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

  Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 9:37 PM
  Subject: New to Feline Leukemia
 
 
  It's a long story, but I'll shorten it...
  My mom has a heart cat named Lucky. She's disabled
 and no longer living
 at home. Her sister was caring for Lucky, but herself is
 unwell and
 struggling. I went over to feed the cats during her
 hospitalization and
 Lucky did not look good. I took him to the vet: bad fleas,
 possible infected
 eye and nose, and tested weak positive for feline
 leukemia. This makes my
 plan of integrating him 

Re: [Felvtalk] New to Feline Leukemia

[Chris]

Bonnie--you've come to the right place  there are lots of people who will
respond with some very helpful information.  I'm owned by 1 FELV adult cat 
4 neg adult cats  they are mixed.  I'd sort of wonder about weak
positive--if you look in the archives, you'll see a recent thread about
whether in fact there is such a thing  what it might mean.  In any event,
at some point you'll need to get Lucky tested with IFA test (blood work sent
to lab) to actually determine with more certainty if he is FELV+.  I'm
assuming he was an indoor-outdoor cat cause you mentioned the fleas.  How
old is Lucky?  

Christiane Biagi
ti...@mindspring.com 

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 12:37 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] New to Feline Leukemia

It's a long story, but I'll shorten it...
My mom has a heart cat named Lucky.  She's disabled and no longer living
at home.  Her sister was caring for Lucky, but herself is unwell and
struggling.  I went over to feed the cats during her hospitalization and
Lucky did not look good.  I took him to the vet: bad fleas, possible
infected eye and nose, and tested weak positive for feline leukemia.  This
makes my plan of integrating him into my 3-cat household a real challenge.
The vet said I could get my three cats vaccinated providing 80%
protection... Meanwhile, Lucky is sequestered in the spare bedroom, taking
antibiotics (what a good cat!) and healing.  I'm trying to figure out how to
make this work, longer term.
Ideas???
Thank you!
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Re: [Felvtalk] Lost my FELV Stray dude

[Chris]

Good for you for giving this little guy some good times at the end of his
life.  Had you not been there for him, he would have suffered so much out
there.  No matter what happened to him in the first part of his life, he got
to know love and caring and the good life he so deserved.  Thank you so much
for doing that for him...

Christiane Biagi

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Julie G.
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 6:31 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Lost my FELV Stray dude

Hi I've been lurking a few weeks.  In July I picked up a stray that turned
out 
to be FELV+.  In his few weeks with me he gained a pound, had a cushy bed, 
delicious premium canned food, and all the snuggles I had time to give him, 
since he lived in the basement while I tried to figure out where he could
live 
(I have 4 cats).  I'd watch movies on the laptop with him on my lap,
snoozing 
away happily.  He always seemed a little wobbly, and his pupils were always 
different sizes.  But he was relatively happy so we kept on.  Last night his

back legs didnt work.  This had happened before, my pet sitter said, but
they 
always came back on after a while.  But this morning they still didnt
work.  
The vet examined and confirmed that he had tumors pressing on his spinal
cord.  
He was in pain and his entire back end didn't do what he wanted it too.  So
the 
decision was made to let him go.  


He'd been living under porches on my block for at least a few months when we

finally caught him.  I'm so glad we did, I cant imagine what a frustrating, 
frightening life he'd be having out on the street right now, starving, full
of 
tape worm, and 2 back legs that wont work.  I'm crushed that we couldnt give
him 
a better life, and for longer, but I'm glad we got to him when he needed us,
and 
filled his belly and his heart for a few weeks.  Safe and comfy and within a

foot of food at all times. :)

Anyway, I dont know anything about FELV, this was my first introduction to
it... 
so I dont exactly know how the tumors are related (cancer?)... but I wanted
to 
drop a line to folks who understand.  He wasnt my kitty for long, but he was
my 
kitty.


  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Restricting cat from stairs

[Chris]

Oh Amy--WOlfie sounds like such a spunky little character!  If he's jumping
on the bed, etc., then he's still spry enough to do the stairs.  And you
know, when he can't do it, he won't try.  He might just start meowing at the
bottom or top of the stairs when he wants help going up or down.  Cats are
pretty sharp about stuff like that-LOL.  So if it were me, I'd keep an eye
but wouldn't restrict him or the other kitties at this point. My guess is
that he'd hate the restrictions...   

Christiane Biagi

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 2:27 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Restricting cat from stairs

Wondering if people would offer an opinion.  My cat, Wolfie, has rear leg
weakness that is getting progressively worse.  He's been seen by numerous
vets and it's not going to get any better.  I'm guessing the leukemia is
finally getting the best of him.  


Anyway, I'm just wondering how much I should let him do.  Initially my vet
said not to restrict him, that letting him use the muscles was good for
them.  He is now starting to stumble or sit more often.  He doesn't totally
fall over or anything, just gets a bit wobbly or sits down.  If he's on
linoleum, he has much less control of his legs.  He is still jumping up and
down on my bed, eating, purring, laying on my chest, going up and down
stairs, etc.  I don't want him to get hurt and him doing the stairs makes me
so nervous.  On the other hand, I don't want to restrict him out of fear.  I
talked to the receptionist at the vet and she said if it was her cat, the
stairs would be off limits.  This will be so tough because I have 3 other
cats, 1 very shy one that hides in the basement and only comes out when my
son is sleeping.  I would have to force her to stay in the basement or out
of the basement (as opposed to having access to the cat door in the
 basement door).  The last thing I want is to see Wolfie get hurt but I
can't seem to think that if he gets to a point where he can't do the stairs,
he will stop doing them.  Is that foolish?  He is such an opinionated,
strong-willed cat and I know he will not be pleased if I restrict him in any
fashion.

Oh and he doesn't have to do any stairs.  He has food, water, and litter on
all floors.  He just chooses to.

Thoughts?

Thanks
Amy


  

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[Felvtalk] Anyone in Ohio?

[Chris]

I work with a Louisiana shelter that's desperately overrun with owner
surrenders following BP spill  unemployment.  A shelter from Ohio has
contacted them about helping  I'm wondering if anyone is familiar with
them.  It's the Angels for Animals in Canfield, OH.  

 

Christiane Biagi

Volunteer-Friends of the Animal Shelter (FOAS)

914-720-6888

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Re: [Felvtalk] Anyone in Ohio?

[Chris]

Thank you so very much...  

Christiane Biagi
Volunteer-Friends of the Animal Shelter (FOAS)
914-720-6888
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-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Frank  Sue Koren
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 9:43 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Anyone in Ohio?

My cousin lives in Canfield and is a cat lover.  I will forward your e-mail
to her and see if she knows anything about Angels for Animals.
Sue

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 4:05 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Anyone in Ohio?

I work with a Louisiana shelter that's desperately overrun with owner
surrenders following BP spill  unemployment.  A shelter from Ohio has
contacted them about helping  I'm wondering if anyone is familiar with
them.  It's the Angels for Animals in Canfield, OH.  

 

Christiane Biagi

Volunteer-Friends of the Animal Shelter (FOAS)

914-720-6888

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Re: [Felvtalk] Restricting cat from stairs

[Chris]

Amy--being irresponsible would have been if you hadn't given it a second
thought!  Wolfie sounds like a wonderful cat who knows his own mind and who
lets you know what he wants  needs  what he can or can't do.  After all,
our kitties only let us THINK we're in charge--they KNOW that we really
belong to them and not the other way around!  

Christiane Biagi


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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 10:21 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Restricting cat from stairs


Thanks to all that have replied.  My gut tells me to let Wolfie do what he
wants.  That's the way it has always been with him and I don't think he'd
have it any other way to be honest.  I guess I just needed reassurance that
I wasn't being an irresponsible mom.  Thanks for all the support!  

Amy

 From: Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Restricting cat from stairs
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Friday, July 23, 2010, 5:23 PM
 Amy, I've had several FelV cats with
 back leg problems, and 
 they seem to know when it's time to stop climbing stairs
 or
 trying to jump up on things.  I'd let him do what he
 thinks
 he is up to doing. To restrict him would stress him, and 
 this is always bad for FelV cats.
 
 Lorrie
  



  

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Re: [Felvtalk] Restricting cat from stairs

[Chris]

Amy--am afraid I haven't been following all the details of the various tests
 suggestions and I know it sounds stupid, but is there any chance Wolfie
developed very bad early onset arthritis?  

Christiane Biagi


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Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 10:36 PM
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Laurie

I remember you mentioning Coco having this and did add it to my list of
possible causes.  Was the problem able to be resolved?




  

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Re: [Felvtalk] vets

[Chris]

I'm in NY but in Westchester County--Just north of NYC.  I like my vet but it 
would be a real hassle to come up from NYC.  

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From: MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com
Sent: Jul 2, 2010 4:27 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] vets

yeah, new motto is, a mind is a terrible thing to lose.

i can't think of who is in the NYC area--from this list, at least. let me
check with some folks who don't read the list much anymore--tho james just
posted on facebook, so maybe he'll remember

or not. why should he be immune to losing one's mind?

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Re: [Felvtalk] FELV Shelter Insurance HELP!

[Chris]

You might want to try some of the places that do keep AND adopt out FELV + and 
neg cats.  Sounds a bit crazy to me that they wouldn't give you insurance.  

-Original Message-
From: Marnie Miszewski marni...@embarqmail.com
Sent: Jun 30, 2010 1:57 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] FELV Shelter Insurance HELP!

I need Liability insurance. I tried Kennel Pack and they sent me an apology
letter. They won't insure me because I adopt out healthy cats and keep FELV
positive cats in the same building. It's not like I keep them together. They
each have their own cageless room. I also had to promise never to adopt out
the FELV positive cats for them to even consider me and still they wouldn't
insure me. I know some of you do this, so I'm hoping you can point me in the
direction of people who are a little more understanding to the needs of
these kitties. It isn't fair to discriminate against me or these animals. I
just want to provide a no kill place for them to live and help find homes
for all of the kitties if possible. :-(

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] needing support

[Chris]

You are definitely in the right place!  You'll get lots of good ideas here...  
As someone owned by 3 FELV -  1 FELV+ cat, I can understand how frightening 
this all is.  My Tucson is 8 + years old  I've had her since she's a kitten. I 
never seperated them  no one has turned pos in all these years.  My Tucson had 
a neg Elissa (snap) test when she was a kitten  had pos 4 years later--go 
figure!  I had one other cat, Romeo, who I took in after feeding him as a stray 
for a couple of years.  He was the oldest cat  lived w. me for several years, 
healthy  happy--sadly he succumbed to lymphoma last fall.  

You might want to wait a bit for the IFA--its always possible he fights the 
virus off.  As for risk to humans, there is absolutely none.  FELV is a virus 
that suppresses cat's immune system--pos cats don't ever die from the virus but 
they are much more prone to succumb to any sort of infections or some forms of 
cancer.  W. kittens, the riskiest things are upper respiratory or urine tract 
infections or gum infections, etc.  

There are folks on this group who have used interferon  some other 
experimental drugs.  I have not though when my Tucson has had a couple of bouts 
with really low white blood cell counts, my vet gave her some shots of immuno 
regulin.  Tucson could never handle more invasive sorts of treatments--its just 
her personality.  I give them all some decent food, they're all inside cats  
other than the occasional tussles among each other, they lead a pretty stress 
free life!  

-Original Message-
From: Julie Dalesio Gladnick juliegladn...@gmail.com
Sent: May 31, 2010 10:26 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] needing support

Hi there-

I don't know if this is the right place, but I am hoping for some feedback.
I recently adopted two kittens, a brother and sister.  At 7 weeks, I had
them tested for FeLV.  The boy kitty is positive but the girl kitty is
negative.  Is that even possible?  They have been living together for 7
weeks; wouldn't she be positive if he was at this point?  I am taking them
both in tomorrow so he can be re-tested with the IFA and she can be
vaccinated.  I am absolutely devastated.   I am in love with both of these
kitties and am looking for some hope.  My boy kitty is active and playful,
though he has had a little diarrhea today and is eating a little less.  I'm
totally freaked out.  I am keeping the two apart, which is also killing me,
because they are such a comfort for each other.  Does anyone know what my
odds are for his second test being negative?  Is is weird that she's
negative?  If he is positive, do I have to keep them apart forever?  If we
have a baby and he is positive, do we have to get rid of him?  I can't even
bare thinking of all of this, as he snuggles on my tummy purring while I
type.  Any advice, support, guidance is sincerely appreciated.

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Re: [Felvtalk] needing support

[Chris]

There is no rhyme or reason for who fights the virus off  who doesn't...  
Don't assume she'll automatically become positive.  My youngest 2 cats were 
with my Tucson as kittens before I knew she was positive.  They were kittens 
from the street  though not in horrendous shape, they hadn't eaten the best of 
food  had the best of lives when they were out there.  They shared litter 
boxes, ate out of each other's dishes, groomed each other, etc  neither caught 
the virus.  Its not as easily transmitted as some of the literature 
says--though clearly, a kitten is much more vulnurable.  

Basically, FELV is not an automatic death sentence.  I've had 2 who proved 
that.  But again, any infection can take kittens...  

-Original Message-
From: Julie Dalesio Gladnick juliegladn...@gmail.com
Sent: May 31, 2010 11:10 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] needing support

Thank you so much, Kathi- I'm needing as much support as I can get.  I love
these two more than anything and can't stand thinking about them in pain.
Yes, they have been playing and grooming each other for 7 weeks; I'm hoping
that the test was faulty, because if not, it sounds like Maggie will soon be
infected, as well.  I can't stand waiting, yet that's all I seem to be able
to do right now.  I have them separated currently, as well, which both they
and me are hating.  Thanks again for your support.

On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 8:05 PM, Kathi Clark kathi_cl...@hotmail.comwrote:


 Julie,



 I, too, freaked out when I found out my new kitty was positive.  She lives
 in a my household with 4 other cats and as far as I know, none of the others
 have been infected.  I do get each one of them (except for the + one) FeLV
 boosted every year.  She's now 4 years old and is a fun, playful cat with no
 signs of sickness.  You need to just try to relax because you may not have
 that much need for concern.  If you get the girl vaccinated and then boosted
 every year, they may be able to live together for the rest of their lives.
  His second test could be negative.  She may be negative because there
 wasn't that much physical contact between the two?  Mine, that is FeLV
 positive, played intensely with one of my young boy kitties and he tested
 positive; however, I kept them separated and 6 weeks later, he tested
 negative and, as far as I know, he is still negative.  This was 4 years ago
 and my healthy ones show no signs of disease.  Good luck and try not to get
 too upset.  Just relax and enjoy them.



 Kathi

  Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 19:26:55 -0700
  From: juliegladn...@gmail.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: [Felvtalk] needing support
 
  Hi there-
 
  I don't know if this is the right place, but I am hoping for some
 feedback.
  I recently adopted two kittens, a brother and sister. At 7 weeks, I had
  them tested for FeLV. The boy kitty is positive but the girl kitty is
  negative. Is that even possible? They have been living together for 7
  weeks; wouldn't she be positive if he was at this point? I am taking them
  both in tomorrow so he can be re-tested with the IFA and she can be
  vaccinated. I am absolutely devastated. I am in love with both of these
  kitties and am looking for some hope. My boy kitty is active and playful,
  though he has had a little diarrhea today and is eating a little less.
 I'm
  totally freaked out. I am keeping the two apart, which is also killing
 me,
  because they are such a comfort for each other. Does anyone know what my
  odds are for his second test being negative? Is is weird that she's
  negative? If he is positive, do I have to keep them apart forever? If we
  have a baby and he is positive, do we have to get rid of him? I can't
 even
  bare thinking of all of this, as he snuggles on my tummy purring while I
  type. Any advice, support, guidance is sincerely appreciated.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 23, Issue 11

[Chris]

My Tucson did real well on immuno regulin during a couple of bouts of very low 
WBC...  Where are you located?  I can try to ask my vet where he orders it 
from...

-Original Message-
From: Stacy Zacher stacy_zac...@yahoo.com
Sent: May 12, 2010 2:58 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 23, Issue 11

Hi:

I just wanted to say I am so very for the recent losses of your kitties.  We 
will say purrayers for all of them and light a candle. 

Thank you all for all the wonderful information I've received on this board. 

I found a great vet who does some alternative therapies such as chinese herbs 
and acupuncture. He said though that he hasn't had an clients until us who 
have asked to start their FELV+ kitties on any type of immunotherapy.  I have 
an appt on Fri and he wanted me to bring along any information I can print out 
from the internet as to the Imulan, Interferon, Immunoregulin etc. and he will 
look through all of it and discuss it with me.   

At this point, I'm very confused as to what I can even suggest my kitty, 
Spanky should try. He had very low WBC for the past 2 months but it has gone 
up now after 6 wks of metronidazole.  So Im' not sure if he is considered 
asymptomatic and I shouldn't even be doing any immunotherapy? I'm looking for 
recommendations as to what you would do.  Or do I wait to start anything like 
this until he becomes worse/more symptomatic?   My vet is willing to try some 
type of therapy for him and I am as well but I'm not sure what.  He made the 
comment he wouldn't even know where to get interferon or immunoregulin. I told 
him about the site for Imulan.  Currently Spanky is on standard process feline 
immune support and lysine (and miralax once a day for his constipation). 


Thanks for any help.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Possible therapy for felv

[Chris]

Am a bit confused--were the subject cats tested for FIV or FELV prior to the 
treatment?  The symptoms described could be either condition but could also be 
a host of other issues.  How old were the cats?  If kittens, then even a pos 
test for FIV could just be caused by the mom cat being FIV+.  And neither 
condition is AIDS as in human.  FIV is NOT Aids just like FELV is NOT 
leukemia.  

-Original Message-
From: Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net
Sent: May 10, 2010 11:53 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Possible therapy for felv

Impressive and interesting.


On Apr 16, 2010, at 11:53 AM, jbero tds.net wrote:

 Okay, I am always questioning people that claim a cure, but here is  
 a small
 study done that caused a man to patent the treatment concerning  
 felv.  This
 a group dedicated to looking into any avenue that may help our  
 little ones,
 so I'm putting this out there.

 I copied and pasted this from the patent:

 notes:

 1) One cat with FELV(+)/FIV(+) died without the treatment as a  
 control.

 2) Treatments: Cats were injected intramuscularly with 20 mg  
 DEPOMEDROL
 (antiinflammatory steroid) and dispensed with 1,200 mg powdered  
 Nacetyl
 cysteine(NAC), 200 IU of Vitamin E, 500 mg of Vitamin C and one PET  
 TAB/day.


 3) It takes from 3 weeks to 6 weeks for the cats to turn retrovirus  
 positive
 reaction to negative after the treatment.

 4) The symptoms of Champage, Precious, and Missy such as dental  
 problems
 bloody diarrhea, and loss of appetite completely subsided after the
 treatment with steroids/antioxidants. The symptoms of Sampson such as
 vomiting, gum disease, and loss of appetite completely reversed  
 after the
 treatment. Josey's symptoms of lung problem, loss of appetite, and gum
 infection cleared up following the treatment. The cats were  
 maintained on
 PET TABS following the treatment with steroid/antioxidants.

 5) At the conclusion of the test all cats remained FIV or leukemia  
 virus
 negative.

 6) Blood was drawn for analysis from four of the cats treated  
 (Sampson,
 Josey, Patch, and Bud). The analysis included cell cultures, mitogen
 stimulation, and polymerase chain reaction assay for the retovirus.  
 All
 tests indicated the cats were fully cured as none indicated any sign  
 of the
 virus.

 These cat experiments are the first to demonstrate that AIDS can be  
 cured in
 an in vivo model.

 That's it.  If anyone's got any ideas about it or history with it,  
 I'd love
 to hear it.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Hi, I'm new

[Chris]

Welcome...there are some very well informed people on this board who will give 
you a lot of info.  Being diagnosed at 16 is a bit unusual--was there a 
particular reason why the vet checked her?  Has she been ill?  My own Tucson, 
was diagnosed at age 4-5 after a few days of not eating like she usually does  
looking real pale.  

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Sent: May 1, 2010 8:13 PM
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Hi, I'm new



 Hello all.
I just joined your group because I found out yesterday that my beloved cat Kia 
has leukemia. Kia is my oldest cat, she will be 16 in August, and she is my 
favorite one. I know we shouldn't have favorites but Kia is the first cat my 
husband and I adopted after we got married. She is a calico who loves to talk. 
I am devastated by this news I got from the vet yesterday and I am hoping you 
all can help me understand leukemia better and what signs I need to look for 
that Kia is getting sicker. 
By the way, my name is Janet and I'm a life long animal lover. We have 4 cats 
and a retired racing greyhound that we call our kids. We just lost a cat back 
in November, my oldest male cat who was 14. Now I am wondering if he had 
leukemia too. 
Thanks in advance for your advice. I hope to learn a lot here.
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Re: [Felvtalk] new to the list and to FeLV (litter eating)

[Chris]

Good for you for being there to help those very lucky clients of yours!  One
of the things you might think about is the UAN Lifeline grants...  they
can't always help, but its always worth asking...

http://www.uan.org/index.cfm?navid=161 

There's also the AAHA Helping Pets Fund
http://www.aahanet.org/OtherSites/helpingpets.aspx 

And if you're near vet school, sometimes they have low cost services
available..

Christiane Biagi

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Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 12:14 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] new to the list and to FeLV (litter eating)


 Hello

I've just joined your list and have what might be an odd, maybe even really
odd, question.  I looked through the archives a bit but couldn't find a
similar thread, so I apologize if there has been and I missed it.

I work for a program that provides support (food pantry, vet vouchers, pet
wellness clinics, education and in-home care) to folks living with HIV and
AIDS to allow them to keep their pets at home with them when the financial
and physical constraints of their illness might not otherwise allow them to.
A number of our people have FeLV and FIV+ cats and while I'm somewhat
familiar with FIV, having a FIV+ cat myself, I know nothing about FeLV and
I'd like to learn from the list how to help my members better care for their
+ cats.  

I received a call from a client who is concerned about her FeLV cat -
Precious has been somewhat more lethargic than usual but, most disturbingly
to my client is that she has started, out of the blue, to eat cat litter.
She wonders if this is something that FeLV cats do when there is a specific
issue going on - is she looking for nutrients she isn't getting?  Is she
trying to calm some GI, oral, other upset?

My first thought with positive cats is to bring them to the vet, but, in
this case, my client does not have the resources personally and she has
exhausted her benefits through our program.  I am working all the places I
can think of to try to find her some financial support ultimately, but in
the meantime, I wonder if nayone out there has seen this sort of behavior
and what it might mean?

Thanks for any thoughts you might have.

Best,

d

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] on shelters and rescues

[Chris]

I am a remote volunteer for a shelter near New Orleans--a shelter that ran
without power or inside water for 18 months post Katrina.  Yet with a lot of
work, a tiny, very committed staff, very little money, we managed to keep
the euthanasia rate down to below 15%.  There were several keys--not the
least of which was that we did massive publicity (on internet  local
papers) for every animal from the moment they came into the shelter.  We had
a decent rate of return on strays  established a nationwide network of
fosters  adopters  small rescues.  We could tell you what happened to each
 every animal that was flown out  we publicized those outcomes.  Animals
who went to breed rescues were vetted, s/n,  hw treated if needed.  We
learned a lot of lessons the hard way  I can not only tell you the
successes but the ones we missed...  We didn't do big transports but sent
out one or two animals at a time to selected fosters, pre screened adopters,
small rescues.  Cats were the hardest of all  we needed to do a whole lot
better for them.  We had no secrets--every animal that came in was photo
listed  the director didn't worry that someone was going to ask about an
animal that ultimately had to be euthanized.  We got equipment for a surgery
room donated  managed to do low cost s/n for community pets  s/n treatment
for the shelter animals.

Sadly, a new director came in  it all fell apart.  Our approach was very
non-traditional way  we had a core of very hard working volunteers
scattered all over the country.  That level of involvement was a lot more
than most shelter directors can handle...

But throughout our work, I can remember railing at all those pups  kittens
that came in without moms, all those pregnant moms who came in cause they
accidentally got pregnant, all those pets that suddenly became
inconvenient and on and on.  Working in a municipal open admission shelter
is one of the hardest jobs in the world  we reward those workers with
little pay and lots of finger pointing.  

Christiane Biagi

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Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 9:03 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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Very well said!  Unfortunately, very true here in VA, too.  And, also,
unfortunately, very sad.  I also have a big problem with owner surrenders
and owners who see no need to spay and neuter their pets and let them have
litter after litter to become someone else's problem because the owners take
no responsibility.  Kitten season is heartbreaking to me!

...Saving just one pet won't change the worldbut surely the world will
change for that one pet...
 
The top ten reasons to spay and neuter your dog or cat were killed in a
shelter today.


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Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 8:15 PM
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I have actually had rescues ask me - or our shelter's volunteers - to pay
(out of our own pockets) to alter and combo-test cats before they take them.
Do they reimburse us? Of course not. We finally told one rescue that we were
not wealthy people and we just couldn't do it. They will not pull from us
unless we pay to have the cats vetted, then they sell those cats for $150
and pocket every dime. Now that's a crappy rescue. There are some bad
shelters here in GA. I won't mention any names, but there are several I've
heard of that IMMEDIATELY take owner surrendered animals to the back and put
them down. Those pets never even get a chance to be adopted. It may be
different in other areas of the country, but most GA shelters have high
euthanasia rates relative to adoption rates. There are no no-kill county
shelters in GA; to label a shelter as bad because they are forced to
euthanize is just unfair. Nobody wants to do it; everyone is miserable and
snippy and cranky on euthanasia day, even the ones who have to take
antidepressants as a result. We only euthanize one day a week, our director
puts down as few animals as possible, and some days we've been back at
capacity by the end of the day, the turn-ins are so bad. Intakes are high -
several times we've had 30 or so owner-surrendered animals come in within
just a couple of hours. Adoptions are slow, nobody wants  cats or larger
dogs, only small dogs, puppies and sometimes kittens (mostly at
Christmas). Just today we had 8 cats turned in - one is diabetic and was
surrendered because the owner didn't want to pay for insulin shots.
Pathetic. She just kept screaming at me, I can't afford to take her to the
vet! I can't pay for it! I charged her a $40 euthanasia fee - we will try
to get that cat out of there, but that owner needed to pay for something.
One day somebody turned in 15 cats because they were moving. It's so
discouraging, they 

Re: [Felvtalk] how to treat a cut in FeLV cat

[Chris]

If its not a deep cut with lots of gushing blood, treat it just as you have.
Keep it clean, and just keep an eye on it.  Chances are the kitty will tear
the bandage off  lick it--not necessarily the worst thing in the world.
Cutting mats out is tricky--most kitties don't make it easy-LOL  And good
for you for taking care of these little ones...

Christiane Biagi

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Linda Sollberger
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 8:09 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] how to treat a cut in FeLV cat

Hello everyone,
I've been on the list for several months but haven't posted anything. My
neighbor and I are taking care of 4 FeLV cats.  Their mother was a stray cat
in our neighborhood and had kittens in our garage.  I was just trying to cut
a mat out of one of them, just under her front leg, and accidentally cut her
skin.  I feel so bad. I've never done that before to any pet.  It bled a
little but its just the skin that was cut.  We put some Neosporin on it and
a little gauze bandage.  We didn't have any gauze to wrap around the bandage
to keep it on so I cut  a clean Handiwipe in strips and tied it on.  I'm
just wondering if that's the right thing to do.  Do you think I need to take
her to the vet right away or can we just watch it for a few days?  I don't
want to stress her by taking her to the vet if I don't have to.   I have 2
cats of my own and have had quite a few vet bills lately too.  I don't need
any more but I want to do the right thing too.  How do you treat cuts in a
FeLV cat? She's almost 2 years old. 
 I'm becoming quite a worrier.  We have already lost 2 of the kittens we
originally had so I'm on this list to learn as much as I can.   Originally
my vet told us they were FIV and not FeLV but I found out too late for the
first one that that's not the case.  I changed vets and I have someone I can
trust now. My heart and prayers go out to all of you who have lost  little
ones lately.   I cry ever time I read about them and almost got off the list
because it's so painful but I thought I better stay on to learn as much as I
can.  Thanks for any advice you have.  

Linda
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Re: [Felvtalk] how to treat a cut in FeLV cat

[Chris]

You know--A  D Cream (not ointment) works really great too--comes in a
tube-usually in baby dept at drug store.  But I'd let it air out a bit after
cleaning w. Peroxide.  

Christiane Biagi
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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Laurieskatz
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 10:43 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to treat a cut in FeLV cat

Oh, I forgot! A holistic vet recommends Calendula Gel. It heals things very
quickly. I used it on an infected spay incision (cat) and cat bite (me).
It's amazing.
L

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 9:29 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to treat a cut in FeLV cat

I generally clean the cut with Hydrogen Peroxide, poured directly on  
the cut.  Then either antibiotic ointment or an herbal, Golden Seal  
powder or liquid.

Gloria



On Mar 28, 2010, at 7:08 PM, Linda Sollberger wrote:

 Hello everyone,
 I've been on the list for several months but haven't posted  
 anything. My neighbor and I are taking care of 4 FeLV cats.  Their  
 mother was a stray cat in our neighborhood and had kittens in our  
 garage.  I was just trying to cut a mat out of one of them, just  
 under her front leg, and accidentally cut her skin.  I feel so bad.  
 I've never done that before to any pet.  It bled a little but its  
 just the skin that was cut.  We put some Neosporin on it and a  
 little gauze bandage.  We didn't have any gauze to wrap around the  
 bandage to keep it on so I cut  a clean Handiwipe in strips and tied  
 it on.  I'm just wondering if that's the right thing to do.  Do you  
 think I need to take her to the vet right away or can we just watch  
 it for a few days?  I don't want to stress her by taking her to the  
 vet if I don't have to.   I have 2 cats of my own and have had quite  
 a few vet bills lately too.  I don't need any more but I want to do  
 the right thing too.  How do you treat cuts in a FeLV cat? She's  
 almost 2 years old.
 I'm becoming quite a worrier.  We have already lost 2 of the kittens  
 we originally had so I'm on this list to learn as much as I can.
 Originally my vet told us they were FIV and not FeLV but I found out  
 too late for the first one that that's not the case.  I changed vets  
 and I have someone I can trust now. My heart and prayers go out to  
 all of you who have lost  little ones lately.   I cry ever time I  
 read about them and almost got off the list because it's so painful  
 but I thought I better stay on to learn as much as I can.  Thanks  
 for any advice you have.

 Linda
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Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries

[Chris]

Welcome to the world of cats-pilling, putting into a carrier for vet trip,
getting a cat to eat when they're not in the mood-those are the times you
realize that they're a lot smarter  more determined then we humans are!
Pilling a cat is an art that most cats seem to be determined for us not to
learn-LOL.  You can try a compounding pharmacy that will mix up the meds
into what they say is a pleasant tasting treat-never worked for me.  Pill
pockets are great -if your cat likes them.  Sneaking a pill in between a
couple of soft treats works for a while but they catch on and then will just
look at you as you make weird kitty sounds thinking that will help.  S,
do not feel you are alone.  I suspect each of us has had at least one cat
for whom pilling was a nightmare.  

 

I THINK doxy is that foul tasting drug-but not sure.  Try sneaking small
pieces of a pill in any kind of delectable people food the kitty likes-ham,
turkey, tuna, cheese, anything at all but you have to keep changing it cause
the cat will catch on after a  couple of times.  

 

Christiane Biagi

 

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bugrahan Yalvac
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 10:55 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries

 

Doxycycline 100 MG and Prednisone 5 MG are the pills.

 

He is infected by mycoplasma haemofelis.

 

It looks all so easy to give cats oral medication on the net but those

cats are all healty, relaxed, and happy cats who swallow the pills.

Mine is doing everything not to swallow anything.

 

Should I take him to the vet again? Am I the only one who cannot

manage to medicate a cat orally?

 

On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 12:17 AM, Gary gcru...@centurytel.net wrote:

 What are the pills?

 

 Gary

 

 Bugrahan Yalvac wrote:

 

 Hi, All,

 

 I have a FeLV positive cat who adapted me six months ago. A week ago

 he stopped eating and began to taste his litter. I took him to the vet

 and he was tested FeLV positive. Vet gave me steroids and antibiotics

 and I was mixing the pills with his science diet for couple days. He

 was able to eat small entities of science diet for few days. However

 for the last two days he is not eating anything. I tried two times to

 med him through his mount, it didn't work at all.

 

 Anyone knows a better way to give medications (pills) to a cat?

 

 Thanks,

 Bugra

 

 

 

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?

[Chris]

Don't know if it's the same thing-but my Little Boy has these episodes when
he's sound asleep where he's start twiching and bolts in the air usually
throwing himself off the bed or chair or whatever he's on.  He's sound
asleep when it happens  poor thing is all perplexed when he suddenly wakes
up on the floor or wherever he landed.  I took him to my vet  a neurologist
but nobody seems to be able to tell me what it is.  Could be mild
seizures-he's always been a bit clutzy  when I brought him in, my vet
thought he clutzyness might have been related to his mother maybe having had
distemper.  The signs were real weak so no special care needed.  Sometimes,
Little Boy scares me cause he really likes to get up high  I worry about
him hurting himself when he falls.

 

Christiane Biagi

 

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of tamara stickler
Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 11:38 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?

 

Hello all,

 

This is off-topic, and for that I apologize, but I figured with all the cat
care-giving/rescuing experience of the people on this list, perhaps someone
would have an answer for me.

 

I took in stray tabby about 3 years ago.  Had him neutered and vetted.  He
had/has many issues including being prone to kidney crystals and infections
-which I think we have under control at the moment w/ cranberry powder
additive to his food.  He used to be very aggressive towards other cats
(something for which my other cat still hasn't completely forgiven him for)
and he truly believes himself to be a dog.  He has no fear at ALL of people,
cats or canines, -fetches toys, heels, comes when called and will go into
his crate if you just mention it...(something even my DOG REFUSES to do!).
But..there is one major obstacle to completely incorporating him into the
household: he has night terrors.

 

Because of his past aggression, he's separated in his own room whenever I'm
not home  at night, but I have been trying to get to the point where he can
be allowed to sleep with us.  Unfortunately, he has incredible nightmares
where he BOLTS INTO THE AIR (we're talking sometimes 2-3 feet HIGH) from a
dead sleep and FLEES until he hits something - usually a wall or piece of
furniture- hard enough to wake him up.  Then he sits all hunched up and
blinking for a few minutes.  If I go to him he immediately starts to purr
and rolls over for a belly rub - only after head-butting me a few dozen
times.

 

I've had him to the vet thinking he was having painful spasms or something.
All she could find were old injuries that looked like a car accident may
have hit him in the hip area (all healed - he moves fine) and what appear to
be 3 bebes still lodged in the back of his neck and shoulder area.  She
doesn't think they would be the cause of pain now...but both injuries tell
something of the first year or two of his life.

 

I've tried feline pheromones ...he still has the episodes.  

 

As much as I hate putting him in a room by himself at night, while the cat
and dog and I share a bedwhen he freaks out at night- it sets off a
chain reaction of the other cat going all hissy-spazzy and the dog barking
and chasing one or both around the condo until he fully wakes up and calms
down (I'm surprised my neighbors haven't complained yet!).  (Not to
mentionI've gotten kicked in the eye and face time and again as one or
more of the animals flee from the shock of Mica's night terrors.

 

Has anyone EVER experienced something like this that's on-going?

 

Does anyone have ANY suggestions other than time?  (He's been an indoor only
cat for 3 years nowand while the dreams do seem to be getting lessat
the current rate- he'll have to live well into his thirties until they are
gone...-I'm not certain I could survive that! ;-)

 

Thanks,

Tamara, Tobias (yorkie), Coebeio (calico), Micatullyvhim (grey tabby)

 

 

  

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Re: [Felvtalk] Nibbler Has Gone On - Please Add To CLS

[Chris]

I'm so sorry for your loss.  Yes, he is in heaven but he's also in that
little corner of your heart reserved just for him...and he'll help you mend
that heart with all those happy memories   

Christiane Biagi

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Crystal Proper
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 9:00 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Nibbler Has Gone On - Please Add To CLS

Thank you everyone. You all are truly very wonderful and caring people.
Nibbler made it to 16 weeks.  He took a turn for the worse a couple days
ago.  Fortunately, he was purring and happy and we got to hold him as he
went.  I know he is in a better place even though this is the worst broken
heart I have ever had.  Nibbler is now in Heaven.


  

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Re: [Felvtalk] new with questions

[Chris]

You'll get a lot of good suggestion from folks on this board with tons of
experience.  I have some limited experience w. my Tucson who tested pos at
age 4 1/2 and with my Big Boy who I fed as a stray for a couple of years
before bringing him in and discovering he was positive.  Tucson is fine but
my Big Boy succumbed to cancer earlier this year.  

First off, take a deep breath!  Your friend should get Kitty with the IFA
test--that's a blood test sent out to lab.  If that comes back pos, it
confirms the SNAP test; if it does not, then you can't be certain about pos
status.

My Tucson lived with my 3 other cats (2 of whom came in as kittens after
her) for 3 years before she was diagnosed.  She had tested neg as a very
young kitten but that can happen if test is too early.  They ate out of the
same dishes,  used the same litter boxes, groomed each other, got into those
occasional scrapes, etc.  and none of them tested post.  I got them the FELV
vacc as a precaution only after Tucson tested pos.  The 2 vets I consulted
after Tucson's test both told me it was not as contagious as some of the
literature makes it out to be.  My 2nd vet has a good deal of experience 
had absolutely no problem with continuing to mix everyone  no problem w. my
integrating Big Boy into the household.  

Your friend should get the other cats tested  shouldn't assume they all
caught it.  Whoever is neg, she should vaccinate.  As for your situation,
the virus does not live very long in the air...  My guess would be that it
would be unlikely that Patches would have caught it from this indirect
casual contact.  You can have a snap test done if it will ease your mind.

Christiane Biagi

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of mary (merlin)
marshall
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 12:42 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] new with questions

Hi,

I've just subscribed.  My friend and I picked up a stray calico and planned
to get her spayed and adopted out.  We named her Patches.  Patches was
spayed last Thursday and tested for FIV/FeLV.  She tested negative.  We had
her vaccinated with the basics, including FeLV.  Thursday night after her
spay, she went to my friend's house to recover.  Patches was kept in a
separate bed room with her own food and water dishes that hadn't been used
by the house cats, her own litter box with fresh litter, and not allowed
contact with the house cats.  I'm not sure how good my friend was about
washing her hands between Patches and her cats.

Monday afternoon, my friend found out that her cat Kitty who had been
throwing up for a few weeks and now with depressed appetite, tested positive
for leukemia.  This was the SNAP test.  I came and picked up Patches and
took her to my house, where she is caged in my basement, separate from my
cats.  Patches was at my friend's house for 5 days.

Do I have to worry that Patches might have caught leukemia from the carpet,
bedding and cat bed in those 5 days?  The room had been used as a foster
room but in between was open so that Kitty could go in there if he wanted.
He also sometimes slept in the cat bed.  Should I continue to keep her
separate from my cats and for how long?  Do I need to retest her at some
point and when?

My own cats have been vaccinated annually against leukemia, except for Rusty
who has not been vaccinated in about 5 years.  Rusty was sick for 2 days
after her first leukemia vaccination since I have had her.  She may or may
not have been vaccinated at the shelter where I got her, so she has had at
most 2 vaccinations, and maybe only one.

As for my friend, she has 4 cats, 2 kittens, and a foster kitten.  She has
had Kitty for a year and a half to 2 years, and he probably was infected
before she got him.  She never had any of her cats tested, I doubt
vaccinated, and all of them have mixed freely.  One older cat was tested
last spring when he was brought into the house and was positive for FIV
only.  What are the chances the others are infected now?  Does it make a
difference if it is a kitten or adult?

This is heartbreaking news to both of us, and neither of us know that much
about feline leukemia except that it is very contagious and bad.

Merlin


  


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[Felvtalk] OT: Vote for Gizmo

[Chris]

I know this is OT-doesn't even involve a kitty!  But I personally pulled
this little guy from a shelter I volunteer for (remotely) when I was down
there in February and he's now in a home of a fellow volunteer.  I usually
bring up a kitty but this guy was on his last legs and I knew if we didn't
get him out, he'd die.  He's such a special little guy and has come so very
far, entered him in the Cutest Dog contest.  Please consider voting for him.
You can vote once a day- we'd love to see him win this week's contest.
Thank you.

 

Say hello to Gizmo!  Who would think that adorable little guy was found
abandoned on the streets of St. Bernard Parish, LA; matted, dirty, hungry
and so scared?  But Gizmo's a spunky little guy and with lots of TLC from
his new family, his royal Pekingese personality and looks finally blossomed.
We think he's just so cute that we entered him in the Cutest Dog Contest.
Please take a look at our Gizmo-one look and you'll just have to vote for
him!

 

http://www.cutestdogcompetition.com/vote.cfm?h=C5E0EB481C260B956BCA57871AB7B
728

 

Christiane Biagi

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Re: [Felvtalk] OT: Vote for Gizmo

[Chris]

Hard to know how he ended up on the street.  We looked long and hard for his
family.  This is one of the hardest hit Katrina areas and animals are dumped
there from everywhere.  And folks still struggle daily with just making
it...  But Gizmo is truly a joy...  When I flew up with him, he was still
very much a mess but in the airport, he just loved riding in the basket of
one of those luggage carts and watching everybody just ooh and ahh over him!
LOL

Christiane Biagi
Cell:  914-720-6888
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Volunteer-St. Bernard Parish Animal Shelter

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Debbie Harrison
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 11:10 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT: Vote for Gizmo


Giz is adorablehow could someone just five him up?  I don't understand
humans...

Debbie (COL)
Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle  Philo


 
 From: ti...@mindspring.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 10:58:02 -0400
 Subject: [Felvtalk] OT: Vote for Gizmo
 
 I know this is OT-doesn't even involve a kitty! But I personally pulled
 this little guy from a shelter I volunteer for (remotely) when I was down
 there in February and he's now in a home of a fellow volunteer. I usually
 bring up a kitty but this guy was on his last legs and I knew if we didn't
 get him out, he'd die. He's such a special little guy and has come so very
 far, entered him in the Cutest Dog contest. Please consider voting for
him.
 You can vote once a day- we'd love to see him win this week's contest.
 Thank you.
 
 
 
 Say hello to Gizmo! Who would think that adorable little guy was found
 abandoned on the streets of St. Bernard Parish, LA; matted, dirty, hungry
 and so scared? But Gizmo's a spunky little guy and with lots of TLC from
 his new family, his royal Pekingese personality and looks finally
blossomed.
 We think he's just so cute that we entered him in the Cutest Dog
Contest.
 Please take a look at our Gizmo-one look and you'll just have to vote for
 him!
 
 
 

http://www.cutestdogcompetition.com/vote.cfm?h=C5E0EB481C260B956BCA57871AB7B
 728
 
 
 
 Christiane Biagi
 
 Cell: 914-720-6888
 
 ti...@mindspring.com 
 
 Volunteer-St. Bernard Parish Animal Shelter
 
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] New to FLV and have a cat that just tested positive...

[Chris]

Most important thing I wish I had known was NOT to panic.  My Tucson was 5
years old before she was diagnosed and had been around my other cats exactly
like Sylvia has been with Bea.  That was 5 1/2 years ago and so far,
everybody is just fine.  No one but Tucson tested positive.  I feed them all
Wellnes food as well and basically, they live a pretty stress free
life--LOL.  It sounds like you have a really good vet and that's half the
battle.  Watch for early signs of any sort of infection, cold, etc.  

Christiane Biagi

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Anna Waltman
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 5:12 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] New to FLV and have a cat that just tested positive...

Hi everyone,
I've been lurking around for the last day or two reading your posts.  My
darling Sylvia, the first cat I have owned as an adult, just tested positive
for FLV on both the in-office and IFA tests.  She's one of my best friends
and I'm devastated; she was negative as a kitten and has lived inside for
most of her life (as a little baby, she was a stray-- I adopted her from the
SPCA at five months, and I know she was there for a while before I adopted
her).  She was given a confident all-clear by my former vet to move with me
to Massachusetts and live in a multiple-cat household less than three months
ago.

Upon moving, it became obvious that Sylvia doesn't like being left alone in
the apartment for long periods of time (prior to our move, we lived with my
retired parents and their two dogs so she was almost never home alone). I
decided to adopt a kitten, Beatrice, a few weeks after we moved in, after
Sylvia had gotten comfortable in the apartment.

So when Sylvia started meowing strangely and acting a little lethargic, I
assumed it was a kitty flu but took her to the vet anyway, just to be safe,
and tested her just to be absolutely sure she was still negative.  What a
horrible surprise.  She's been living with Bea for a month or two now and
they're best friends; they wrestle all the time, share food bowls, groom
each other, etc.  I feel sick with guilt about bringing a young kitten into
a house with a FLV+ cat, and now chances are I have two positive cats to
care for.  Our current vet is wonderful, though, and she feels that if we
vaccinate Bea ASAP and keep a close eye on Sylvia (treating her problems as
they arise), there's a good chance we can keep both of them healthy for a
long time.  She says she has other patients and co-workers with FLV+ and
negative cats living in the same household who never pass it to each other.
I'm feeding them a mix of Wellness and Innova ENVO and giving the kitten
multivitamins to boost her immune system and help her fight off the
exposure.

I'm a young graduate student in an MA/PhD program and I don't have a ton of
money.  These kitties had been the most stable thing in my life and this
diagnosis is totally eating me up, from the inside out.  I love them to
pieces and want to be the best cat-parent I can to my girls (having chronic
illnesses myself that significantly increase my risk of certain health
problems, I'm as empathic about this as anyone).  The horrible potential of
this disease breaks my heart every time I think about it.  My childhood cat
passed away a few months before I got Sylvia, and I can't bear to lose
another one like that (he was very sick for a long time before he died, but
we don't know what it was.  Could've been FLV or FIV; he wasn't tested every
year, though he was vaccinated.  He was indoor/outdoor and a fighter).

What do you wish you had known when your cat was first diagnosed, if
anything?  If there is any advice people have, I would appreciate it, and as
I gain experience caring for my girls I will share what has worked and what
hasn't with anyone who asks.

Many thanks and best wishes to you and your families, furry and otherwise.
Anna
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Re: [Felvtalk] Just wondering-Isn't the purpose of this site for progressive treatment?

[Chris]

We all struggle in trying to figure out what's best for our kitties.  And
every day, we have to make decisions that we hope are the right ones.  All
our kitties are different--some can handle more invasive treatments, but for
other kitties, an injection, a transfusion, even a trip in a carrier to a
vet would put so much stress on them that any treatment would likely be
counterproductive.

I do read about any new treatment possibilities.  It was on this site that I
first learned about immune regulin, and as it turned out, my own vet uses it
with the FELV + cats he treats.  For my Tucson, it seemed to do the trick on
the 2 occasions that her white blood cell count went down dangerously low.
Was it the immune regulin?  I can't prove that but her count went right back
up.  That doesn't mean it would work for all other cats.  And interferon,
well I opted not to use.  I'm sure it does help but for my Tucson and for
the late great Romeo, the stress alone would have killed them.  

As for newer treatments, I do like some sort of basis for their purported
success.  I did talk to my vet about the newest and he did not recommend, at
this time.  But I'm not in the same situation as you--if I had 6 kitties who
were dying before my eyes, I might have tried it.  

And there is nothing wrong w. putting down a kitty who is suffering.  I have
always regretted waiting a few days too long for my Romeo who it turned out
had a huge lymphoma mass in his chest.  But taking him to vet was incredibly
stressful to him that I held off trying various things and talking to my
vet.  He was having trouble breathing and I should have taken him as soon as
that started instead of waiting a few days

Bottom line, each of our situations is so very different.  I've learned a
tremendous amount from this board and though I don't necessarily follow the
regimens others do, I've learned enough about each option to make what I
hope are informed decisions.  That's what we're all here for.  Conversations
can sometimes get a bit rough but this is an awful disease that takes a lot
out of each of us, emotionally and financially.  We do the best we can and
learn from each other.


Christiane Biagi
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-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Alice Flowers
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 5:14 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Just wondering-Isn't the purpose of this site for
progressive treatment?

I was directed to this site because of the Mission Statement being one of
progressive treatments. I don't understand the negativity towards people who
opt to treat their cats with newer treatments. If you don't want to treat,
that's fine-it's just really mean to knock the people who are treating and
have hope still. I did just lose 4 kitty brothers in the past 6 months-I
only tried to transfuse one...forgive me for wanting him to live. The last
one (at just a year old)  did not get that, but he screamed out while he
panic-ed and couldn't breathe due to all the fluid in his chest-forgive us
for having him euthanized to spare him a few hours of agony. The fluid came
bubbling out his nostrils after his last breath. We probably should have
gone to the movies until he passed. Why are you on a site constantly harping
at and about people who are trying the products that are listed on this site
as showing promise.I don't get it at all-I know you care
 about your pets, why can't you allow us to care for ours? What I do know is
my 2 remaining cats have so much energy now-they beg to play with the laser
pointer, Rosie brings her favorite mousie for us to throw so she can play
fetch-are they suffering?? Quite the opposite, these 2 are having fun
finally! I haven't had a cat in over 12-15 years, then rescued these 6
kittens last year-I didn't have a clue-never even knew anyone with FeLV
cats.  Please forgive me for wanting to learn and try and treat the disease.
I did not expect this site to have all the nasty cattiness (ha-ha) of some
of the other sites when I read the website's opening page-have you read it?
Here is a portion of it cut and pasted from the site:
 
Our mission in presenting the information on these web pages is intended to
help those whose feline babies are not responding to traditional veterinary
methods of treating feline leukemia. People should be forewarned that many
vets are skeptical and will resist using these newer treatments. We urge
folks that encounter such opposition to seek out another vet that is willing
to administer these medications as recommended below. In July of 1997, the
Central States Veterinary Conference held in Kansas City, Missouri held
discussions on these newer methods and were optimistic about their use in
treating FeLV+ cats. For more details on the protocols for these drugs,
please review the book, The 5 minute Veterinary Consultant: 

Re: [Felvtalk] PA Sanctuary

[Chris]

You know, there really is a lack of exhaustive studies on this whole
question.  Mortality rates are based on study of cats who already test
positive.  And, I have never been able to find a really good study on the
prevalence of either FIV or FELV...  Studies are done of particular
colonies, or of some sort of controlled population.  But absent some
scientific, purely random and large scale testing of owned as well as
strays/ferals, I do not believe that anybody really knows how many cats are
out there with these conditions.  Absent that, it's a tossup to make
predictions on rates of transmissions.

The one 'fact' that has always struck me is that neither of these viruses
are considered new--they have been around since forever.  If they were
indeed as lethal or contagious as some would have you think, then there
would be no cats left.  Remember that its only a recent development, even in
this country, that cats are taken to vets for shots, for testing, etc.  We
always had cats when I was a kid but I could count on one hand the number of
times any of them went to a vet.  Since all our cats were strays that we
took in, I can only assume that at least one or two were positive for
something.  I know this will sound very crass, but in some ways, ignorance
was bliss... Our cats were loved, well taken care of, and lived happy, (and
generally) long lives...  

Christiane Biagi
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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaryChristine
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 4:01 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc: rchestert...@verizon.net
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA Sanctuary

i think that the stress issue is far more important, especially for ferals.
translocating to a sanctuary is not an issue with housecats, and while
living with large numbers of cats CAN be very stressful, when the cats are
somewhat socialized to people, it's quite possible to provide them with a
comfortable environment. not easy, but possible.

one of the reasons that it's so hard to find FIV space at sanctuaries is
that they DO live forever or close enough.

dr levy, like most researchers, are not going to state that something is
absolutely safe until and unless there is actual data backing that up;
unfortunately, we've gone so many years without adequate research being done
that some important questions still remain unanswered. agaih, this is why
the discussions about using, captive populations come up.

from my experience, feral FeLVs did less well in a sanctuary enviroment than
did strays or more social cats; didn't see the same thing with the FIVs--tho
the ferals stayed away from the horrible humans (who would make their fur
fall out if they got close enough, i'm told that mamaferals tell them).
actually, feral non-positives did less well than other cats did, too--being
around people, even tho we left them alone (except when necessary, tho we
checked them visually every day), was NOT a good thing to them.

so i'm not sure that the rules DO apply equally.

i don't know what actual figures exist for transmission of FIV without
fighting; i know that sanctuaries will foster out, or segregate, any cats
who continue to be aggressive after neutering.

MC



On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 3:43 PM, Stray Cat Alliance 
stray_cat_allia...@hotmail.com wrote:


 I disagree on a few points.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Adopting neg kitten to family with positive cat

[Chris]

Which goes to show you, when one of these litter critters decide you're
their person, you don't stand a chance---LOL.  Bravo to these adopters and
to you for not giving up on kitty...

Christiane Biagi
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-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 5:04 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Adopting neg kitten to family with positive cat

Last year I adopted a FelV positive kitten to a couple who had two
neg. cats.  They knew the kitten they wanted was positive, but they
fell in love with him and took him anyway. I kept him until their
other two cats were vaccinated against Felv and had time to build
up immunity.  I'm still in touch with this couple, and all their
cats are doing fine, including the FelV pos. one who is now 18 
months old. 

People who adopt a FelV cat or kitten are tops in my book!

Lorrie

On 09-30, MaryChristine wrote:

 hard choices re: all the usual vaccines plus the FeLV one, but
 these folks have taken on the task of dealing with a positive cat,
 which rather raises them up on MY scale of being good cat-parents
 if they're in love with the little one, and you can hold it long 
 enough for the two shots (which would give you a bit longer to do 
 the neutering, too), i'd probably go with them.
 
 MC
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] eye (pupils) changes and transport

[Chris]

Ah traveling w. kitty.  I've flow w. my Tucson as well as some rescue
kitties several times.  Each time I packed my backpack with everything
cat-LOL  (throwaway cardboard litter box, dry food, water, puppy pads, and
on and on).  NEVER did I use any of those things.  I use a soft sided Sherpa
bag-medium side.  Airlines will tell you that a Sherpa bag is approved but
you'll find that they run tv  movie cables under the seat making it
impossible to really slide the bag under.  Get a window seat and put your
legs in front of it and they'll never notice.  

I try to get a seat where there's no one next to me so that after takeoff, I
can put the carrier on the seat--more for me than the cat, believe me!  

I always put a harness on with their tags, etc.  Only rough time is when you
go through security--they make you take the cat and go thru the metal
detector while the carrier goes through the xray machine.  Its s much
fun--we know how cats like crowds  strange noises!  I usually open the top
 clip a leash on the harness. I wrap the leash around my arm  then pick
the cat up by draping a big towel around it so that it can't see ANYTHING!
Then I drape the toweled cat over my shoulder  ignore the claws digging
into my skin.  You quickly go thru and race to the end of the conveyor belt
to stuff the cat back in the carrier.  Do NOT unhook the leash until the top
of the carrier is almost zipped shut.

Sounds awful but the weirdest thing is that during the entire time, the cat
will just sit silently glaring at you.  I know they're thinking of ways to
pay you back for this indignity.  They won't eat, drink, purr, meow--they
just glare!  And of course, sleep!  They don't get nervous--its we humans
that are the wrecks...

Christiane Biagi


-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lance
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 8:42 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] eye (pupils) changes and transport

Hello List,

It's been a long time since I've posted anything, and I must admit  
that I haven't been keeping up with posts for quite awhile. Some of  
you may remember that I have an FeLV+ named Ember. She's still with  
me, though I have noticed something different lately, and I have  
another question about transporting her.

In the last week or so, I've noted that Ember's pupils are sometimes  
not the same size. I did a search for anisocoria and found nothing in  
the archives. Has anyone seen this occur in their cats? It seems to be  
similar to how headaches are in people... could be just normal stuff  
all the way up to being a really serious issue. The articles seem to  
indicate that this can happen with viral infections like FeLV, but  
other than low wbc, there aren't any symptoms. It doesn't really make  
sense.

Ember's last CBC had an especially low white blood cell count... I  
think it was 4.2. She's been on interferon ever since testing positive  
in 2006, and while I'd taken her off DMG, she's going back on it as  
soon as I get my shipment.

Also, it looks like I'm going to be moving back to Madison, Wisconsin.  
I'm trying to figure out the best way to get Ember to our new home.  
I'm willing to pay to fly the both of us up (with her being in the  
cabin with me), but I'm wondering if anyone has any other ideas or  
tips they'd be willing to share. I know that transport is frequently  
done by so many of you, which is why I ask this here.

My best to all of you and your cats,

Lance

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Re: [Felvtalk] World without man

[Chris]

PLEASE--read the original post again--Doesn't say MEN--it says MAN as in
human beings of any sex.  I think we're missing the point of the post...
Child Abuse and Spousal Abuse (irrespective of the sex of the abuser) is
closely correlated to animal abuse.  

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-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Second Chance
Meows
Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 12:27 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] World without man

I'm afraid to say that I for 1 am insulted by this thread.
  first I am a male,
 second I have been a single dad for many years and have since remarried,
third I run a sanctuary for felines
 please remember people in glass houses... shouldn't throw stones!!!


 Michael Johnson
Founder/Owner
Second Chance Meows
A FeLV Sanctuary





From: Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, September 7, 2009 9:11:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] World without man

LOL, yes, it means world without Man as in the whole species of humans.
That's very clear from the quotes from Dorlis and Lorrie below.

Diane R. 

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Laurieskatz
Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 11:02 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] World without man

I had not seen this thread until now. I read it as man, not men. I
thought people were talking about humans in general...? 

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Malone
Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 10:56 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] World without man

I thought this was a site about helping felines with feline leukemia.
Instead it seems to have turned into a male bashing site for the moment.
There are many men that are wonderful people. You sound very bitter and
hateful toward a whole group because of the actions of one. I am very
blessed to know men that are caring and productive members of society--and
one that has truly been a blessing to many infected cat--working multiple
jobs to ensure that the cats were given the very best care.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 4:23 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] World without man

On 08-30, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:

 Like Mary Christine says - spay and neuter your neighbors.  maybe that 
 will make a difference.  i know a lot of people i would like to do 
 that to.  same ones that don't take care of pets also do not take care 
 of children.  when i reported a case of abuse, the investigator said 
 that at least 8 out of 10 cases of abuse he checks on, he also turns 
 in a report of child or spouse abuse.  i wonder some times would the 
 world be better off without man?  doris

I wonder about that too Dorlis If God supposedly made man in his
image it's not saying much for God. 



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Re: [Felvtalk] (FeLV talk) Sanctuaries

[Chris]

When I had this insane thought that I'd rehome my 2nd FELV + cat, the late
great Romeo, I learned that its not easy--particularly over the phone.  But
the ONE thing that seemed to work real well is a vet reference.  I found
vets, or rather the office manager, pretty clear in their assessments.  The
scary thing is that there were a couple of people who asked about adopting
him who sounded great on the phone but when I talked to their vet, the
horror stories gave me the chills.  And the other side of the coin is that
those folks who got great vet references clearly were known to their vet for
following up and giving good care.  

Of course, the problem is when you have a potential adopter who does not now
have a pet or a current vet.  But one thing I learned in doing postKatrina
reunion work, if you get somebody to talk about their pet or a pet they used
to have, you get a real good sense of their attitudes.  If they don't
include in their conversation all those little things about a pet that we
all know about--those tiny little things that make our pet unique (what they
like to eat, what they like to play with, where they sleep, what they do
when they're mad, what funny sounds or gestures they make, etc.)--then they
weren't too attentive and the potential for a future adoption dims.   

Christiane Biagi
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-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaryChristine
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 8:41 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (FeLV talk) Sanctuaries

i've been mentioning for years that we, who are on the front lines of this,
should write up a home visit protocol for sanctuaries, so that all the
correct questions ARE asked

each of us has different ideas of what is important, and it's so important
for folks to recognize the difference between a sanctuary setting, and a
forever spoiled-housecat home. so input is needed from both sides...

if we could pull together something that was realistic, then it would be
possible for local people to do some of the early footwork. we just CANNOT
believe what a website shows, because anyone can make up a website. nor can
judgments be made on places that don't have the time to make a fancy one--

we could make a thread that is specifically for the purpose of coming up
with questions to ask, and things to look for, and make it a place to figure
out how to do this finding-a-place thing easier and surer

MC


On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Carmen Conklin
cwshel...@wildblue.netwrote:

 I am a member of this list who doesn't get a chance to spend time
 responding
 to posts, but I would like to encourage those looking into sanctuaries to
 be
 sure to visit them if at all possible and that is a great idea about
asking
 what happens to the cats or the sanctuary if the founders die or can no
 longer care for the animals. That is an essential part of questions to ask
 all sanctuaries as there are a lot of them out there that make the rest of
 us look 'bad'  it seems. I am the director and co-founder of C  W Rustic
 Hollow Shelter in Iowa and I know Laurie and MC and Sharyl are familiar
 with
 our work and we always tell people if they are thinking of taking any cat
 to
 a rescue or sanctuary they absolutely should go themselves or send someone
 they know to check it out. We have solid plans to continue past us and our
 board would make the decision at that point to not take any more cats
 except
 those who are planned to come here when it is time, or to go ahead and
 continue the sanctuary as it is now. We have five buildings at this time
 and
 are building a sixth one this fall.  But your ideas are so 'right on'
about
 visiting places and finding out the plans for their future. Great ideas.
 Also, our FeLV areas have cats that are over 5  years and lost one this
 summer who was 18 and had one other live to be 19 years ago. That's the
 exception not the rule, however. Five years is a critical period for FeLV
 kits and sometimes no matter how much  you do for them, the end result is
 the same. Our philosophy is it is 'quality of their lives, not the
 quantity
 and that is what we strive for. Carmen and furballs at C  W Rustic Hollow
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Re: [Felvtalk] How to long to separate negative/positive kitties?

[Chris]

Most studies deal only with domestic or trapped ferals who already have been
tested for FELV.  I've always felt that any real study should include
sampling ALL cats, domestic and ferals and specifically exclude any cats
already testing post.  My suspicion is that this virus is a lot more
prevalent than anyone knows.  Just that statistical data would once and for
all bring to light the fact that is NOT as deadly as current studies seem to
imply.  Consider the fact that its been around since the dinosaurs.  If it
were that deadly, then all cats would have died even before they were
domesticated!  

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-Original Message-
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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaryChristine
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 12:32 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] How to long to separate negative/positive kitties?

in terms of reducing stress while separating them, you can put up a
screen door--unless becca is sneezing vociferously there's no chance
of virus transmission (bodily fluids and all), but the kitties can all
see one another, sniff one another, play pawsies under the door if you
leave an inch, and not feel totally isolated.

sadly, we who have FeLVs are the ones who tend to be more up-to-date
on the research than most professionals because we have the emotional
investment in being so. if we're lucky, we have vets who are willing
to learn along with us. believe that NONE of us would do anything to
harm our furry ones if we did not believe that actual life experience,
not just what research, shows. (hard to do longitudinal research when
the research population is routinely killed, remember.)




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Re: [Felvtalk] for Kelley OT

[Chris]

You might want to look at the No Kill Advocacy Center--in particular, the
No Kill Equation at link below... 

http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/nokillequation.html 

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Laurieskatz
Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 10:52 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] for Kelley OT

Kelley, I am on an Ad Hoc committee regarding a new Animal Control/shelter
manager and new shelter (ours was destroyed in a flood - the 5th largest
natural disaster - last summer). We are making recommendations regarding the
new manager and shelter. We are hoping to have a greater focus on the
sheltering part of the position than in the past. We are also drafting
interview questions for the candidates. We are hoping the City will hire
someone who believes in the no kill philosophy. Earlier today I read the new
Cat Fancy article a No Kill Nation: Is It Possible? and had my first
exposure to Nathan Winograd. Tonight I was perusing your site and there he
is again! I didn't realize or remember where you are located and, of course
you would know him or of him. He is AMAZING. The links on your site took me
to tons of valuable information for our effort. THANK-YOU for this and all
you do for kitties!
Laurie (Iowa)

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika
Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 7:16 PM
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On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Susan Hoffman
susan_hoff...@yahoo.comwrote:


 They also receive a lot of funding and donations and have a dedicated
board
 of directors.


Yes, but how much of that is due to the fact that they have been open to the
public since the beginning?

It seems a chicken and the egg thing to me.

-- 
Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.

http://www.rescuties.org

Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life!

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20

http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties*

Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties!
http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties

Help us spay some kitties!

http://rescuties.chipin.com/feed-hungry-animals

Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take  them first
as long as you leave me alone.
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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

[Chris]

Agreed--when I was looking for a home for Romeo, I was referred to someone
who apparently takes all the FELV cats from rescues in my area.  BUT he
never gives his address and they are perfectly content to meet him in a
parking lot somewhere and give him cats.  He may have been wonderful but I
found his unwillingness to let me do a home visit too frightening.  The joke
is that I found his address (from his phone #) in about 30 seconds--but that
wasn't the point.  Then I had someone who called me about all this
experience she had.  I asked for a vet ref and she willingly gave it to
me--though in retrospect, I suspect she figured I'd never check.  Well the
story her vet told me was awful and needless to say I was s glad I did
that check.  

I've worked on placing animals long distance for the Shelter I volunteer for
and its not easy.  But there's an application form, vet check and always
someone local who can check things out before AND after the placement.
There's also an adoption contract that says that if for any reason and at
any time, if the adopter cannot keep the animal, they MUST contact us first
and give us an opportunity to plan for that animal.  

We also always do follow ups==pictures, conversations, etc. You can tell a
lot from those about how things are going.  

Christiane Biagi
Cell:  914-720-6888
ti...@mindspring.com 
Volunteer-St. Bernard Parish Animal Shelter
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sbpshelter/sets/72157603921945483/ 

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Belinda Sauro
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 1:30 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

Anyone who wouldn't let you come over and see that cat is a big red 
flag for me.  You can't do that without an address.

-- 

Belinda
happiness is being owned by cats ...

http://bemikitties.com

http://BelindaSauro.com


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Re: [Felvtalk] kitten with FeLV

[Chris]

Sandra
Welcome to this board==you'll get a whole lot of info here from folks with a
whole lot of experience!  

About testing--there are 2 common tests:  The snap Elissa test done right in
the vet's office and the IFA where blood is sent to lab.  If you only had
the Elissa, try to get the IFA as confirmation.  It can't hurt.

As for mixing, I'm one of those who does mix.  I did not find out my Tucson
was pos until years after she lived with my other cats (she had tested neg
as a young kitten).  The other cats never caught felv virus.  I had them
tested and vaccinated after I found out Tucson was pos.  They eat together,
sleep together, groom each other, share litter boxes, etc. and have done so
since they were kittens.  

Tucson's only problems have been a few episodes of having a very low white
blood count--my vet used a series of immune regulin shots to bring it back
up.  Sadly, my other pos cat, Romeo, died of lymphoma earlier this year.  He
was at least 7.  

You can get Stella tested and vaccinated.  I say tested because of my  own
experience where I had Tucson for a number of years before I even knew she
was pos!  

Basically, I'm one of those who doesn't think twice about mixing but that's
a personal decision.  Others on the board can give you more of their
experiences and expertise.  I know that kittens are at the highest risk of
contracting all those diseases that FELV + cats can be prone to (URI,
anemia, etc).  You have to basically focus on giving her the best shot to
strengthen her overall health and immune system.  Good food, a warm place,
etc.  There are supplements folks use as well but Tucson is such a
temperamental (aka spoiled) cat that I don't push that too much for her.  

And hurrah to you for taking Penny in  

Chris

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sandra Brunner
Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 9:38 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] kitten with FeLV

Hi there,
I'm new to this... looking for some advice. I took in a stray, she's
about  7 months old. She tested positive for FeLV. I didn't know she
had FeLV. I took her in as she was hanging out on the patio of a
restaurant, near a busy street. The owners of the restaurant were
going to take her to the humane society.
 I already have a cat, who is not FeLV positive. The stray is with me
while  I try to re-home her, and my cat is with a friend.
In an ideal world, I would like to keep the stray (Penny) and have her
and my cat.
 Is this possible? Should I have Penny re-tested with a DNA test to
make sure she does have FeLV?
My cat (Stella) is an indoor cat, 7 years old. and has had all of her
shots every year except for the last year.
Is there any way they can live together with Penny being FeLV positive?
any insight or links to relevant websites/postings would be greatly
appreciated!
thank you.
s.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Question about a new kitty

[Chris]

I'm certainly no expert in socializing ferals but sometimes that term is
used too freely--not all strays are totally feral.  If he's letting you see
him and at least coming close, he is not completely feral but probably not
too socialized.

One idea I sort of stumbled onto out of necessity for my Romeo (who was much
older) was to put him in a big wire crate on top of some boxes in my
bedroom.  I covered over two sides so he could see out the front and out of
one side.  The crate was big enough to put a small litter box and his food
dishes and still have room for him to lie down on a towel I put in.  I
worked at home and my computer was in my bedroom so he spent the first few
days lying in the litter box following me with his eyes as I walked around.
Then after a few days, I left the crate door open and realized that when I
wasn't around, he had started exploring but always jumped back to his safe
place when he heard anyone coming.  Then I started putting his food dish on
the floor right next to the crate and he would jump down to eat and then
jump back up.  About a week later, I moved his litter box to the bathroom
about 10' from the crate and he started going there, again very carefully.
We went like that for a couple of weeks and he'd jump back in when I ran the
vacumn cleaner, when the TV or radio was too loud, etc--but during all that
time, he kept watching everything and figured out what was safe.  

About 3 weeks after I got him, I happened to look over the top of my monitor
one day and noticed he had jumped on my bed!  He was real scared and kept
walking carefully trying to figure out what the heck this was.  He jumped
off when he saw me looking but jumped back up 10 minutes later.  This time,
he figured out this wasn't a bad place to sleep and I knew we were going to
be fine when he curled up and went to sleep in the middle of the bed.

I kept the crate up for another month or so just to give him his safe place
but he jumped in less and less and when I finally moved it out, he never
looked back!  

Christiane Biagi
Cell:  914-720-6888
ti...@mindspring.com 
Volunteer-St. Bernard Parish Animal Shelter
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sbpshelter/sets/72157603921945483/ 


-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
expressprin...@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 3:07 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about a new kitty

Hi Folks:

You all were such a big help to me last summer when we rescued a little cat
who was diagnosed with feline leukemia. Sadly, we lost little Smokey but?my
husband?is now in the process of trying to tame and catch?a wild little
kitten that is on?his job. He's?eating the?food he gives him?but he will not
let him touch him. Any suggestions? Also, what is the chance that an
abandoned kitten has feline leukemia? Does it help to catch the decease
early?

Thank you for your help,
Kathryn


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From: Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com
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Sent: Thu, Jun 18, 2009 10:52 am
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about A/D




Some PetsMart stores have an attached vet clinic called Banfield.
Sharyl

--- On Thu, 6/18/09, gary gcru...@centurytel.net wrote:

 From: gary gcru...@centurytel.net
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about A/D
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thursday, June 18, 2009, 1:54 PM
 It is Hill's Prescription Diet a/d.
 
 Gary
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
 On Behalf Of Sander, Sue
 Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 11:53 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about A/D
 
 But is it simply called A/D with Banfield?? What is
 Banfield?
 
 Thanks,
 
 Susan 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
 On Behalf Of Debbie
 Harrison
 Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 12:52 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about A/D
 
 
 I'm almost certain it is made by Hill's Science Diet
 
 Debbie (COL)
 Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard
 battle? Philo
 
 
  
 
 
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[Felvtalk] Question on Rescue

[Chris]

I volunteer at an always full, always crowded municipal animal shelter in
Chalmette, Louisiana (just east of New Orleans).  They just got an owner
surrender of a 7 year old Exotic and I was trying to find a rescue for him.
He's been bounced around since his elderly owner died and is now hissing,
snarling-all those things that pampered kitties do when they are very
unhappy and very scared.

 

We found a rescue but have never worked with them and I was wondering if
anyone on the group knows them.  I hate to send animals out somewhere
without being sure as to what its like where they're going!

 

The rescue is the 

South Texas Persian Rescue

San Antonio, Tx

 

And the kitty is Mugsy:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/sbpshelter/ 

 

I know folks on this board are from everywhere and I'm hoping there's
someone who may have had some experience with them.  You can e-mail or call
me-my info is below in my signature.  Thank you.

 

Christiane Biagi

Cell:  914-720-6888

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Re: [Felvtalk] Question on Rescue

[Chris]

It's a very small world! LOL  

Christiane Biagi
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-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaryChristine
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 2:59 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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wait, wait, i just approved his photos to the persian list today! just
didn't connect him with you, chris

-- 
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Maybe That'll Make The Difference

MaryChristine
Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org)
Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team)
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Re: [Felvtalk] Wilson and I

[Chris]

Ditto for Nutrical.  When a cat won't eat anything, if you can get some
Nutrical in them, it at least gives them some basic nutrients and sometimes
helps jump start their appetite

Christiane Biagi
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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Susan Ang
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 1:37 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Wilson and I

I have to say that Nutrical was invaluable to us in saving Autumn's  
life. She couldn't keep anything down and everytime she had diarrhea,  
she also vomited. Nutrical and Pedialyte kept her hydrated and  
nourished. I am sure that without it we would have lost her. Of  
course, we got her back on her Evo and prescription soft food as soon  
as she could keep it down.

My mother also used Nutrical as a suplement for a 20 year old cat. She  
lived to be 24! Not all cats like it though.

~Susan

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 24, 2009, at 9:33 AM, Diane Rosenfeldt  
drosenfe...@wi.rr.com wrote:

 This was definitely the case with my Luc, who stopped eating and we  
 didn't
 notice right away (4 other cats free-feeding from same bowls).   
 Still don't
 know if it was some sort of pancreatitis or what.  Finally noticed  
 he wasn't
 himself, took to high-class emergency vet 20 miles away for tests --  
 hepatic
 lipidosis.  We had an esophageal tube inserted and fed him A/D from  
 the
 vet's office watered down and blendered, which we alternately  
 syringed and
 spooned down the tube using a small funnel (it was really easy for one
 slightly larger bit of food to block the syringe).  This went on for  
 a few
 days and then he started licking A/D off a spoon.  We still tube-fed  
 him for
 another couple days but his appetite picked right up.

 From another list I'm on, I understand that for newborns at least,  
 corn
 syrup (most often rubbed on their gums) is a zero-energy-expending  
 way for
 them to get some nourishment.  I wonder if that is the rationale  
 behind the
 Nutrical formula?

 Diane R.

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 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sharyl
 Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 9:12 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Wilson and I


 Judy,
 I don't want to get into a food fight with Karen but Nutri-Cal  
 should not be
 used as a replacement for food.  Here are the ingredients from Doctors
 Foster and Smith web site.

 Regular Nutri-Cal
 Ingredients: Corn Syrup, Soybean Oil, Malt Syrup, Cod Liver Oil, Cane
 Molasses, Methylcellulose, Water, Gelatin By-products, dl-Alpha  
 Tocopheryl
 Acetate (Vitamin E), Sodium Benzoate (Preservative), Manganese  
 Sulfate, Iron
 Peptonate, Thiamine HCl, Niacinamide, Calcium Pantothenate (Source of
 Calcium and Pantothenic Acid), Magnesium Sulfate, Pyridoxine HCl,  
 Vitamin A
 Palmitate  D3 supplement, Potassium Iodide (Source of Iodine and
 Potassium), Riboflavin5, Phosphate Sodium (Source of Vitamin B2 and
 Phosphorus), Folic Acid and Cyancobalamin (Vitamin B12).

 As you can see the primary ingredient is corn oil.  A much better  
 choice for
 short term assistance is meat baby food.  A jar of Gerber 2 Chicken  
 and
 Gravy has 100 calories.  Try to work up to 200 calories per day with  
 Wilson.
 The only way to know for sure if he is getting enough calories is to  
 weigh
 him regularly on a good digital postal or baby scale.  Most pate style
 canned foods can be blended with a little liquid and are easily  
 syringed.
 My Pequita, CRF, prefers her food offered on a baby spoon.  She wont  
 eat off
 her plate but I am able to maintain her body wt. by offering her food
 several times per day on her baby spoon.  Each kitty is unique.  You  
 just
 need to find the feeding method that works best for Wilson.  May  
 kitties
 will start eating on their own again once they feel better.
 Sharyl

 --- On Fri, 4/24/09, Karen Griffith griff...@frognet.net wrote:

 From: Karen Griffith griff...@frognet.net
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Wilson and I
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Friday, April 24, 2009, 2:58 AM
 Judy,

 It is great that you are getting some food down him. You can also
 syringe feed Nutrical (can get from your vet or order online, but vet
 would be best bet due to delay for shipping), though they usually lap
 it up themselves if they are not in too bad of shape.  About 3cc
 twice/day will do wonders, and can be used for a total food
 replacement in totally anorexic cats.  The B-complex vitamins in it
 will also stimulate appetite.  3cc once/day will do if they are  
 eating
 anything at all (10 lb. cat).  Since you are a nurse, you will also
 easily be able to give him sub/cutanious fluids.  It is important  
 that
 his fluid and electrolytes are sufficient.  

Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Heartworm?

[Chris]

Technically, if you live in an area in which dogs have to take HW prev meds,
cats should be getting those too.

Do you have any details on this cocktail your vet put together?  There is no
treatment approved yet though I know there are various schools trying to
find something.  I would be interested in knowing about one that seems to
have worked...  

Christiane Biagi
Cell:  914-720-6888
ti...@mindspring.com 
Volunteer-St. Bernard Parish Animal Shelter
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-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lewis Faye
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 9:03 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Heartworm?

One of my cats got feline heartworm.  This was five years ago.  My cat is on
Revolution all year now.  The cat was ill for weeks. Heartworm is more
difficult and less successful to treat than in dogs. My vet called a bunch
of universities and got some kind of experimental cocktail that he had a
local pharmacist put together.   My cat pulled through.  He was ill nearly 3
months and then seriously underweight for a year (but still felt good) and
on the thin side for the next 4 years.  He eventually gained a normal amount
of weight.  Due to the heroic efforts of my vet and a good bit of money, he
pulled through.  

If you live in an area with lots of mosquitoes, you might want to seriously
think abou this.

--- On Thu, 4/9/09, Kerry MacKenzie kerrymacken...@ymail.com wrote:

From: Kerry MacKenzie kerrymacken...@ymail.com
Subject: [Felvtalk] Feline Heartworm?
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 12:41 PM

Dear all,
Just received this from my vet's clinic. My first instinct is no, but I
would welcome your thoughts on the necessity for all-year-round
Revolution? 
Thanks!
Kerry M.
 
Feline Heartworm Update:
   
 

  
Dear Pet Owner,

   April 2009
 
A new study from Auburn University has indicated that heartworm disease in
cats is a far bigger issue than previously thought.  Cats can get heartworm
infection through the simple bite of an infected mosquito.  Studies have
shown: Indoor cats are just as susceptible to infection when mosquitoes
enter our home.
 
Once bitten, immature heartworms are transmitted and the heartworm lifecycle
begins.  The larval worms then start their journey through the body,
ultimately affecting the heart, blood vessels and lungs.
 
A cat's body is designed to respond and kill foreign invaders, including
heartworm larvae before they develop into adults.  As the cat's body
responds, the intense inflammatory reaction causes severe damage to the lung
tissue. This disease state is clinically recognized as Heartworm Associated
Respiratory Disease or H.A.R.D.  Once this damage to the lung tissue occurs,
it is not reversible and there is no treatment to remove the adult
heartworms from a cat.
 
With this new information we are now recommending ALL CATS be put on
Revolution year round.  Revolution is a broad spectrum parasiticide that in
addition to preventing heartworm also prevents intestinal parasites, ear
mites and fleas.
 
Please contact us if you would like to discuss prevention for your cat.  
 
Sincerely,
 
The Doctors and Staff at Roscoe Village Animal Hospital  


      
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Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Heartworm?

[Chris]

That's really scary!  

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-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lewis Faye
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 9:09 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Heartworm?

I also want to add, my cat was entirely an indoor cat.

--- On Wed, 4/15/09, Lewis Faye dcp...@yahoo.com wrote:

From: Lewis Faye dcp...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Heartworm?
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wednesday, April 15, 2009, 9:02 AM

One of my cats got feline heartworm.  This was five years ago.  My cat is on
Revolution all year now.  The cat was ill for weeks. Heartworm is more
difficult and less successful to treat than in dogs. My vet called a bunch
of universities and got some kind of experimental cocktail that he had a
local pharmacist put together.   My cat pulled through.  He was ill nearly 3
months and then seriously underweight for a year (but still felt good) and
on the thin side for the next 4 years.  He eventually gained a normal amount
of weight.  Due to the heroic efforts of my vet and a good bit of money, he
pulled through.  

If you live in an area with lots of mosquitoes, you might want to seriously
think abou this.

--- On Thu, 4/9/09, Kerry MacKenzie kerrymacken...@ymail.com wrote:

From: Kerry MacKenzie kerrymacken...@ymail.com
Subject: [Felvtalk] Feline Heartworm?
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 12:41 PM

Dear all,
Just received this from my vet's clinic. My first instinct is no, but I
would welcome your thoughts on the necessity for all-year-round
Revolution? 
Thanks!
Kerry M.
 
Feline Heartworm Update:
   
 

  
Dear Pet Owner,

   April 2009
 
A new study from Auburn University has indicated that heartworm disease in
cats is a far bigger issue than previously thought.  Cats can get heartworm
infection through the simple bite of an infected mosquito.  Studies have
shown: Indoor cats are just as susceptible to infection when mosquitoes
enter our home.
 
Once bitten, immature heartworms are transmitted and the heartworm lifecycle
begins.  The larval worms then start their journey through the body,
ultimately affecting the heart, blood vessels and lungs.
 
A cat's body is designed to respond and kill foreign invaders, including
heartworm larvae before they develop into adults.  As the cat's body
responds, the intense inflammatory reaction causes severe damage to the lung
tissue. This disease state is clinically recognized as Heartworm Associated
Respiratory Disease or H.A.R.D.  Once this damage to the lung tissue occurs,
it is not reversible and there is no treatment to remove the adult
heartworms from a cat.
 
With this new information we are now recommending ALL CATS be put on
Revolution year round.  Revolution is a broad spectrum parasiticide that in
addition to preventing heartworm also prevents intestinal parasites, ear
mites and fleas.
 
Please contact us if you would like to discuss prevention for your cat.  
 
Sincerely,
 
The Doctors and Staff at Roscoe Village Animal Hospital  


      
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Re: [Felvtalk] Petey isn't eating and x-rays have found nothing

[Chris]

My Tucson (pos) has had a couple of episodes where she wouldn't eat.  Since 
she's a hefty 18 lbs and LOVEs her food, that was a signal to me, as were the 
pale gums and lethargy.  Vet did blood work and found very low White Blood 
Count.  He gave  her a series of immune-regulin and the wbc bounced back up 
each time.  In the meantime, I was emptying out my refrigerator finding 
anything at all that she would eat-ham, cheese, tuna fish, tuna water, baby 
food--I didn't worry about the nutritional value---just wanted to get some food 
and fluids into her.  

Christiane Biagi
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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kerry MacKenzie
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 10:31 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Petey isn't eating and x-rays have found nothing

Dear all, would welcome your input very much--any ideas you may have on what's 
wrong with Petey.
Background: My FeLV foster kitten Daisy recently went to her (lovely) new 
forever home. Her companion, also positive, is Petey.. He's 7, and he's the 
sweetest cat you ever met. He welcomed Daisy (I've seen them together a few 
times) and they get on great. 
~~I just heard the bad news from Lisa (one of Daisy's original rescuers) that 
Petey is sick. 
He has *stopped eating*, and it's obvious the emergency vet didn't find the 
problem. 
See Lisa's 2 emails below outlining symptoms and xray results---wd very much 
appreciate your thoughts/opinions as to what might be at the root of Petey's 
lack of appetite, drooling and hard breathing. I'll pass them asap to Lea 
(Petey's mom) and Lisa. 
many thanks---Kerry M.

(1st email) Subject: Petey 

Please send good thoughts to Petey today�Lea called last night at 9PM to ask 
for my advice because he didn�t seem well; his appetite had been bad since 
Monday and he was drooling and breathing hard.  I told her to head to CVES 
right away.  She called about 10:30 to let me know they were going to take some 
X-rays and keep him overnight for observation, then off to Family Pet this 
morning.  Let�s all cross our fingers that it�s nothing serious�


(2nd email) Subject: Petey update

I just talked to Lea.  The x-rays last night did not show any problems; heart
looked normal, lungs looked normal, kidneys, liver, bowel, etc., all
fine.  His heart and lungs sounded fine.  The vet said his gums were
pale but obviously they didn't have any of his previous records to
compare with so they are not sure if the gums are paler than they
normally are.

She ended up taking him back home with her versus leaving him there and
they are going in to Family Pet at 11AM this morning.  He slept with her
last night, soundly, but again this morning did not want any food.

I will send another update as soon as I hear more...


  
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Re: [Felvtalk] feeling guilty

[Chris]

Having worked to find owners post Katrina and now working with a shelter in
LA, I know that chips are sometimes the very last thing people remember to
update when they move or change phone #s.  Don't know what chip company you
talked to but, be sure to ask them:
1) When/where the chip was implanted--that can give you the orig vet or
shelter as well as give u a hint as to age
2) ALL the alternate contacts listed
3) The name and address of the owner as well as the phone #

If that doesn't help, feel free to e-mail me--I've had some pretty good
success tracking people whose chip info was outdated.  


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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emily Hunter
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 5:33 PM
To: Felv Talk List
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] feeling guilty

Sorry, sent this to the wrong address at first!


 I can sympathize - just a few days ago I had to leave a cat at the  
 shelter for the first time ever. He was a stray who showed up at my  
 friend's feral colony and I helped her take him in to be checked.  
 The good news is that he turned out to be microchipped, but they had  
 the wrong phone number for his owner. Neither of us had a place to  
 foster him for the ten days it would take to try to contact the  
 owner by mail. It kills me that we had to leave him, but I had to  
 consider that his owner might not take him back if she found out he  
 was exposed to a felv+/fiv+ cat. He also apparently has mange, and I  
 especially didn't think I could afford to expose Tofu to something  
 contagious. (Please send prayers/positive thoughts that Jack's  
 person can be located!)

 Everyone has to find their own limit. Mine is 6, partially based on  
 a new city ordinance that requires a liscense for 7 or more. All you  
 can do is realize that if you exceed your own limit, ALL your babies  
 could end up taken away. I cope by keeping an ear out for anyone I  
 meet who may be looking for a cat, by helping educate people about  
 treatable illnesses, and even donating food/medicine to people I  
 know who are having a hard time paying for cats they want to keep.

 -Emily

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Re: [Felvtalk] Hello- new to the list

[Chris]

Catnip--not bad!  Haven't tried that one.  Whenever I think I've found
something that works though (and feel very proud of myself for finding the
perfect pill pusher-downer), they always manage to show me who is the real
boss by suddenly deciding that they know I'm putting a pill in and stop
taking whatever it was that worked.  I've used American cheese (makes a nice
little ball), liverwurst (ditto), ham (a little harder to roll up), pill
pockets (works for a while), wet food (in a ball), two treats squished
together like a sandwich with a pill in the middle, and on and on.  Of
course, groveling and begging and pleading sometimes works though I think
they finally take the pill just to shut me up.  And then of course, there
are all those pills I've found over the years, just lying around without a
mark on them.  I KNOW they're not the pills I was so proud of myself
about--I KNOW they sneak to the pill vial at night to take out some pills to
scatter around just to make me crazy! LOL

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Diane Rosenfeldt
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 1:03 AM
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As sort of a parenthetical to this discussion, which I confess I've only
read a little of, recently my housemate decided to try putting our Luc's
thyroid pills (which we've been shoving down his throat for years) into a
pinch of catnip in the palm of her hand.  I never thought this would work,
but he's been doing this for about a month now.  Even if he snarfs up all
the nip, he'll still take one extra snarf to get the pill in.  Goofy boy, I
love him dearly.

Diane R. 

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Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 11:34 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc: Amy Ackerman
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hello- new to the list

Grrr sounds so much like my Snuggles.  is beautiful to look at, loves to be
petted (for a while at least, not too much) but don't try to brush me or
give me pills.  i will slash you to bits, bite and swat you with my tail.
don't know if it has anything to do with it, he was a Maine Coon.  he looked
like it so took to a breeder and she confirmed it.  mostly, as long as
things went his way, he was happy.  sometimes a pain to deal with, but i
would not have missed my days with him for anything.  he is the one who took
care of my father.  the day father became ill, Snuggles went into his room
and would not leave.  if he called me in the middle of the night, Snug would
come and get me, then jump on father's bed.  he stayed with him for a year
and the day father passed, he left his room and never went back there.  he
passed away 1 week after father.  dorlis
 Amy Ackerman swa...@hotmail.com wrote: 
 
 I appreciate everyones concern  thoughts.  Looking back at what I've
written so far, I can see that I haven't been very clear about what was/is
going on with Grrr.  I've been a little emotional these last few days!  I
took him in monday morning because he had been having a very difficult time
doing normal cat stuff- jumping, running, etc- saturday night  sunday, and
it was getting progressively worse as hours passed.  I had consulted with my
vet on Sunday about possibly taking him to emergency, but because he was not
displaying any very dramatic symptoms of stroke, seizure, obvious distress
or pain, we decided to save him the trip and bring him in first thing Monday
morning.  He had been losing weight, and it seemed likely that his weakness
was a symptom of whatever was causing the weight loss- hence the blood tests
that led to the leukemia diagnosis.  The vet believes it likely that the
weakness  instability are a result of a spinal tumor caused by
lymphosarcoma, and I believe that yesterday's dramatic neurological symptoms
were simply a progression from what had been going on all weekend,
exacerbated by the stressful hospitalization  long car rides- he doesn't
travel well either.  Grrr doesn't do anything easily except look handsome 
growl.  The cortisol shot was administered as an effort at pain management,
to see if it helped him get around easier.  Just got him home and he's
looking OK- a bit better than yesterday, and he sure seems happy to be home.
We have a very long term relationship with this doctor, and do trust him-
obviously, mistakes can be made, but I am comfortable with the treatment
Grrr has been given and the plans we have discussed for his future. I am, as
has been suggested, throwing out the calender- my cat seems happy, if a bit
awkward physically, and that makes me happy!  Amy
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Re: [Felvtalk] Talkative Felv Cats

[Chris]

Got one of those for my 18 lb Tucson who I occasionally fly with--have to
take her in and out of carrier when we go thru security and the jacket is
real solid so I don't have to worry about her scampering away in the middle
of an airport.  She doesn't particularly like it but we manage-LOL

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jane Lyons
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 10:00 AM
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Sue I Googled walking jackets for cats and ordered one of these   
http://www.hdw-inc.com/walkingjackets.htm

I use a retractable dog leash and off we go. In nice weather I hook  
her leash to an outdoor shed and she will spend
hours hiding in tall grass watching the birdbath. I make sure I am  
around because she can get tangled or is vulnerable
to any number of things. The Scotties watch out for her. If she wraps  
herself around something they usually bark.
I wish we could post photos. I have some great ones with MeMe in her  
jacket.

Jane



 Jane, your cat sounds like she has a great personality.  I wonder  
 if I should try leash training some of mine.  Tweezer is my kitty  
 who loves life.  He was kept in a cage for months before I got him,  
 and was very underweight and sickly.  Now it is almost as if he  
 celebrates every day! When you say that you could write about her  
 for hours I completely understand.
 Sue



  Jane Lyons j.ly...@mindspring.com wrote:
 That is true for me, Sue. My positive is the most wonderful cat I
 have ever known. Not only is she sweet, she
 is fearless. She walks on a leash with the dogs and is the leader of
 the pack. Often we have to wait while she takes tree
 brakes (she can run up and down a tree with the agility of a
 squirrel ). I use a retractable leash so that she has some space.
 (I could write about her for hours).
 I do not know if it has anything to do with her positive status, but
 she seems to relish life. When we first got her she was very sick and
 she still attempted to play. Now that she is feeling well, she is
 relentless. It gives me so much pleasure
 to care for herit really has been a privilege.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Bashful to cross at 2:15 today (EST) Tampa, FL

[Chris]

How wonderful of all of you to be there with Bashful all this time and right
up to the end.  That alone will mean so much to her--a familiar face helping
her to be at peace and pain free. Having lost my Romeo to Lymphoma earlier
this year, I know how quick and devastating it is.  Bravo to all of you for
loving this little one that much!

Christiane Biagi

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 1:51 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc: Duke, Melanie
Subject: [Felvtalk] Bashful to cross at 2:15 today (EST) Tampa, FL

I haven't posted much lately, sadly have had quite a few rescue losses in
the last months as well as rescue emergencies which has me so behind on
all fronts

However, one of our dear, fairly elderly university campus ferals, Bashful,
will be crossing this afternoon and I wanted to share her story so that many
thoughts will be with her.

Bashful's caregiver has been taking care of her for at least 10 years, she
disappeared a couple of weeks ago which was attributed to roofers at the
Library where she has lived for so many years.   When she showed back up she
was clearly in dire need of help.   Elaine her caregiver called me for help
trapping, 2 friends and I set out without much success the first two
days--it was heartbreaking, she was half under the drop trap the first night
but just a bit of food made her choke  cough so horribly, we had tears in
our eyes just hearing  watching.  Her neck was very, very swollen impairing
her ability to eat and walk.

We got her 2 nights later, began b/w, examcytology via needle aspirate
confirmed a high grade, aggressive lymphoma.

We discussed the possibility of chemo but Bashful is very feral and already
unhappy even being at the vet, it was clear this was not going to be a way
to give her quality time and that she was already in a very bad state.

One of my good campus friends who came to the call to help drop trap is
leaving now to be with Bashful for her final moments.   Bashful was not
FELV+ (likely was FIV+), but I know many here can sympathize with the
dreadful diagnosis of lymphoma.

We treat feral cats for illnesses as much as we possibly can, I've actually
got 14 campus feral kitty Bobbye on my porch now for that reason (CRF, FIV+,
along with Toxoplasmosis  possible eye tumor which has not
progressed--she's done well other than not liking the fluids of
course)but it just didn't seem there were any way we could put Bashful
through chemo, weekly vet visits, and possibly never feeling good enough for
the time to have been of quality for her.   She is very stressed at my vet
and we hope things go as peacefully as possible this afternoon.

Go with love, sweet Bashful, and know how badly we wanted to help you--you
will not be forgotten.

Heather
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Re: [Felvtalk] hello- new to the list.

[Chris]

Amy
My Romeo was a stray who I fed a couple of years before bringing him inside.
I could do anything at all to him except pick him up or restrain him or give
him a pill.  He became ill very suddenly--had large mass in his chest cavity
and fluids in his lungs.  Treating him would have been more for me than for
him--it likely wouldn't have worked long term and though it might have given
him a bit more time, he would have been totally traumatized by it all.  I
made the choice to let him go and it was very tough.  But I knew from his
eyes that he wanted it to end before it got worse than it already had
gotten.  Best advice is from CougarClan--just throw away the calendar and
enjoy every day with what sounds like a spunky, wonderful kitty!

Christiane Biagi


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 Thanks for the welcome  kind words, Gary  Laurie.   My vet
believes Grrr has lymphosarcoma, but for the time being the diagnostic tools
recommended to locate the suspected spinal tumor are simply out of reach
financially.  Times are lean for everyone, I know; this was a very difficult
day, deciding courses of treatment for this very cool, loved cat based on
our credit lines.  He's having a rough time getting around.  Grrr is also,
as you may be able to gather from his name, not a terribly good patient.
That may be the understatement of the month.  He is slightly anemic as well,
but his... attitude doesn't make him a terribly good candidate for, say,
daily pills, etc.  He's getting a cortisol shot to see if it improves his
mobility/comfort  an injectable, long term antibiotic (I need to get the
drug name) to counter the immune suppressive effects of the cortisol.  He
eats like a horse, so we're going to try some of the suggested dietary
modifications as well.  Any one with suggestions for minimally invasive
treatments (minimally invasive by this cat's standards is, say, tossing a
tasty tidbit gently from across the room, careful not to let it land too
close), please share as I continue to dredge through the archives.  My other
two are keenly looking around for Grrr tonight- should be a fun car ride
home tomorrow with all three, plus the mastiff going along to get her rabies
vax.  I'll check back in tomorrow- good night, all, and thanks again for the
support! 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] PCR test reliability

[Chris]

Stef
Just info for you--I have 4 cats who basically grew up together.  They're
about a year or so apart in age and all came in as kittens and all tested
neg for FELV as each came into my home.  In 2/04, my Tucson who was then 4,
started feeling poorly, wouldn't eat (which for her is a BIG thing!).  I had
a very good vet at the time who on a hunch tested her for FELV and she
showed positive on the Elissa and more ISA  I had the other 3 immediately
tested and they showed neg then and are still neg.  I switched vets to one
who had more experience with FELV and both vets said that it is very
possible that test on a very young kitten can show neg though they have the
virus and that you really can't be 100% sure until a kitten is 6mos-1 year.
Further literature I read basically concurs with that.  I vaccinated my neg
cats and everyone has been fine.

At around the same time, I brought in a stray, Romeo (who was around 4 or
5), who I had been feeding outside for a couple of years.  I had seen him
every single day and he was never sick!  I had him tested and lo and behold,
he was FELV+.  I had made the decision (actually, there wasn't ever really a
decision-LOL) to mix my 4 cats so mixing in Romeo was a no-brainer for me.
My other 4 had all eaten out of the same dishes, used the same litter boxes,
groomed each other, gave each other the occasionally swipe with their claws,
shared toys, and on and on--and nobody came down w. FELV even though they
had never been vaccinated.  

Tucson has had occasional episodes of very low white blood count and my vet
has treated her w. immune-regulin and she's rebounded each time.  She's a
hefty gal (18 lbs) and I feed all of them Wellness canned food and just a
bit of dry food for their teeth.  Sadly, a couple of months ago, Romeo
developed lymphoma and within 2 weeks, he became so ill and suffering so
much that I had to put him down.  Up until that last week, though, he was
fine, fat, and just a joy.  Though I miss him terribly, I keep reminding
myself that he wouldn't have had those 4 good years if he had stayed
outside.

Bottom line--I think there are a whole lot more kitties out there who are
positive that nobody ever knows about.  You'll hear all variations of my
story on this board and come to see that though kittens are particularly
susceptible to the life-threatening infections that FELV allows to fester,
many of those kittens go on to long perfectly normal lives.  Unfortunately,
most of the statistics on FELV are based on kittens who succumb--they
never reflect the adult cats who have never been diagnosed or tested.

Chris
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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Stefania
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 11:03 AM
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Hi,
 Give them suppotive cats good food and lots of love. 
Yes, I already use good food of quality and in fact I have this infected cat
since 2007 and he's living very well. I hope my older too will regain energy
and be well again, even if I know that their destiny will be to develop
something serious.

I do not blame my shelter as it was animal control and his fate was death
My shelter claims to give away only tested cats, but this was not the case
and now... they're even blaming me for causing a possible infection to the
last kitten I've adopted!!!
This is a pain, because it was their fault and now they're attacking me.

I'm really sad for this, because I never complained with them about giving
care to the cats they gave me in a poor health condition.

I have 4 cats and two of them are mine: the older one (Trudi) comes from a
friend of mine who had a queen with kitten, the other one (Ginny) was found
by me on the road, and kept. These two are healthy and have never been to
the vet, except for the vaccination. The other two (Miro and Babette) come
from the same shelter and both developed rhinitis and had problems with
their eyes etc.
In these two months, since I took the 4th cat, I've been almost 20 times to
the vet!!! And it's going on...

But I think we will survive, eventually!
:-)

Stef



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Re: [Felvtalk] PCR test reliability

[Chris]

One thing on transmission== a vet once told me...  Both viruses have been
around since the time of the dinosaurs==if they were that easily
transmitted, we would have no cats left!  I think that the trouble is that
vets generally see kittens who succumb because they are young and can't
fight off infection.  I doubt that most vets test an older cat who shows
signs of one of the FELV related conditions--cancer, gum infection, etc.
And then there are the older cats who don't ever go to a vet and just live
their regular lives.  I've not found any random studies that test a large
population of domestic and ferals and then just watch over a period of time.


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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rosenfeldt, Diane
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 2:12 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PCR test reliability

Stef --

Sorry you're having all this trouble and worry right now.  

About FIV, you are right and your vet is wrong.  It is VERY hard to transmit
other than through fighting (deep bites) and sex.  It's much less
contagious than FeLV, and even FeLV appears to be not as contagious as
originally thought.  I'm on a feral cat list where there has been some
discussion of FeLV, and people have said they've seen cat colonies where
they know that some cats are FeLV+, and if it's as transmissible as we're
supposed to believe, the whole colonies should have gotten sick and died,
and they just haven't.  The trouble is that for some reason some vets don't
keep up with new research as much as they should, and keep giving wrong
information, and more importantly, don't know the right things to do to keep
the cats as healthy as possible or to treat them properly when they do get
sick.

Your cats are very cute!

Diane R.  

 

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Stefania
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 12:34 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PCR test reliability


Hi Chris,
thank-you very much for sharing your story. The problem here is that in
these days I read very much on FeLV and FIV and I agree with you. My cats
have always been together (except for Trudi, who is a lone wolf), they play,
groom each other and they eat together even if they have one bowl each :-)
They go out and I live in the country, so there are surely many stray cats
and many owners who don't bother to test their cats!

What am I supposed to do? I don't want to keep them inside because it's like
a prison for them.

On friday I will test the last two of them and I strongly hope they're
negative, so I will continue to vaccine them and hope.

My vet scared me a lot saying that FIV is very transmissible and the virus
is strong and cats can catch it by grooming each other. Since I knew that
it's not so, I tried to ask once again to this vet, but she keeps on saying
that FIV spreads very well. I'm really surprised to hear so...

I so decided to take Trudi to another vet and she immediately recognized
stomatitis in her mouth (which the first one denied) and nose. She simply
gave me a gel for her mouth. About the dermatitis: it can be for amoxicillin
but we don't know. We decided to use, first, something against fleas and
then wait and see. If the situation does not change, we will try with a
local gel.

Has anyone had experience with dermatitis?
For Trudi it's the first time, and that's why I think it was the
amoxicillin.

If you want to see picture of my 4 babies, I have a blog. It's written in
cattish so you cannot understand, but you can see pictures.
It's www.trumiro.com

Hi all!
Stef


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Re: [Felvtalk] R: PCR test reliability

[Chris]

Does the vet tell you what he thinks caused the dermatitis?  Is it only in
some patches or spread throughout?  Does she scratch herself or does she
lick herself bald?

Chris
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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Stefania
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 9:04 AM
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Subject: [Felvtalk] R: PCR test reliability

Please,
can anyone help me?
My cat has dermatitis and she keeps on taking away her hair. I don't know
what to think! My vet says we have to wait but the cat gets worse.

Stefania


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Re: [Felvtalk] Spaying/neutering of FelV cats

[Chris]

My 2 positives, Tucson and Romeo, were s/n before I even knew they were
positive (ignorance is bliss-LOL) and there was absolutely no problem.  

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 7:59 PM
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I've had no problem with it -

Gloria



On Feb 10, 2009, at 4:08 PM, Lorrie wrote:

 I have had two FelV pos. kittens neutered at 6 months with no
 problems, but of course a spay is a much more invasive proceedure.
 I will be interested in knowing what others on the list have done.

 Lorrie

 On 02-10, Marci Greer wrote:

 Hi All,

 I have a FELV+ kitty, Maddie 3 yrs old who came as a stray to us in
 October 2008, she is strictly indoors now, she is on interferon,
 and she is eating well, gaining weight, playing, lovable, etc. She
 has not been spayed, My vet who wanted to put her to sleep in
 October just because she was positive, which of course I did not
 do, told me not to have her spayed it could stress her and she
 would die, another vet told me to have her spayed.  I don't know
 what to do, looking at her you would never even know that she was
 sick. Any advice? I love her so much and I don't want to do
 anything that may harm her.

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Re: [Felvtalk] OT: My Mother went to the Rainbow Bridge

[Chris]

Im so sorry for your loss.  

Chris
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Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 12:50 AM
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Subject: [Felvtalk] OT: My Mother went to the Rainbow Bridge

 
Hello  everyone,
I'm letting everyone know this is part of my grieving and makes me feel  
little better. 
To let you know the situation if I don't respond right away to prior
emails.
Another email was sent to all the rescues groups of the same wording.
 
Many of you have ask about my mother and sent many prayers by emails, phone

calls, also in person to my mother and myself.
With  great sadness in my heart today my mother passed away this morning. 
As she wished she wants to be cremated and be buried with my father.
I spent many hours with her the last few days only home long enough to feed

and do litter boxes.
 
She was an  avid animal lover especially when it came to cats and kittens.
She was a  reputable breeder from the 60's to early 80's.
Her breed was  Siamese and Persian cats.
In the last  20 years she chose to take homeless and rescue kitties into her

home.
They were  given very much needed love and care.
When she  would come to visit me as she was in a convalescent home during
the 
last year  she would get her kitty fixes by coming to my home.
She would  call all of the rescue cats and kittens to her along with my 
personal kitties.  So she could be around them all and give them plenty of
love. 
She took such  pleasure in this. She would spoil them greatly.
Even feeding them such as turkey, chicken, and beef when she could get away

with it.
 
Her services  will be at a later date.
I will let  you all know.
My brother is  putting article in the local newspaper about her within the 
next day or  two.
 
Thanks again  for all your support in the past and present regarding my  
mother!

 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Could anyone help?

[Chris]

In the state of Wisconsin, charities are overseen by the dept of regulation
and licensing.  It might be worth going thru them as if this place is
collecting monies and not spending on the animals, then they are clearly in
violation.  If they collect monies and don't have the IRS status necessary,
they are in violation.  Also, have you enlisted the help of any of the
larger shelters in the area?

http://drl.wi.gov/boards/rco/index.htm 

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Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 5:52 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Could anyone help?

You are a wonderful group of people with knowledge and connections that are
fantastic.  For that reason, I would like to ask for anyone's help or
suggestions.

There is a 'non-kill', all volunteer animal shelter in my community that is
run by a 75 year old horder and her husband (the treasurer).  The facility
is horrendous condition.  Feces, urine and vomit cover the floors, walls and
cages.  Medical care is all but ignored, disease runs through the facility.
In fact they have felv and are ignoring it.  I have taken four felv positive
cats out of there in less than a year.  Three have died.

Many, many, many complaints have been made to the sheriff's department, only
recently did we get them to present something to the DA's office, but they
will not press charges.  

These are bad people running this facility and the animals suffer badly at
their hands.  They claim to be a poor facility that can't afford to change
the situation, but own 1.7 million in personal property and have recently
received $34,000 in donations with no change in the facility.  They owe the
government, the vet and many others.  There is deceit, poor management and
constant animal suffering.  Does anyone know a lawyer that would be willing
to help.  The facility is in Wisconsin.

We have involved HSUS, PETA, ALDF, the sheriff's department, the town board,
local humane officer.  Noone can get in to shut the place down.  There must
be some law that can help.  Please help us help these animals.  The stories
are horrendous and never ending.

Thanks

Jenny 

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Re: [Felvtalk] OT: Puppy Mills in WA.

[Chris]

This is wonderful.   Just so you know.. Petsmart Charities has emergency
funds available for shelters who then have to take in these poor animals.   

http://www.petsmartcharities.org/programs/emergency-relief.php 

Chris
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Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 1:01 PM
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Subject: [Felvtalk] OT: Puppy Mills in WA.

Hi everyone,  
 
I'm sure by now you have heard of all the different raids of the puppy
mills 
here in Washington.
We are rank 1st in Puppy Mills as I hate to say.
I've been waiting a long time for this to happen.
Finally after years something has been done.
I live about 4 miles from the first raid.
There are 3 different people involved with this. A mother and 2 daughters  
possibly an aunt as well.
Mind you these people live in very nice homes. So they made their money
from 
the puppies/dogs.
The first raid consisted of 155 dogs/puppies of the small breeds, 4 cats, 6

large dogs, and a few birds.
City of Goldbar.
Second raid consisted of over 100 dogs/puppies.
City of Snohomish.
Third raid had over 400 dogs/puppies, few cats, livestock and horses that  
were extremely underweight.
City of Mount Vernon.
 
Many of these dogs are being sheltered in the local shelters and foster  
homes (Everett/Mount Vernon) and the fairgrounds in Skagit County.
Some have been euthanized there was nothing the Vets could do because they  
were beyond medical help.
They are all matted and have sores all over their bodies.
Many of them have defects that comes with inner breeding.
Malnourished and underweight.
They had to live in their own waste.
 
I've seen some of these dogs it made me want to puke because of the smell  
and the sight of them.
It made me so mad that I wanted to kill these breeders for allowing this to
h
appen to these innocent animals.
 
Mind you this is a family ran business.

 
Sorry, I don't have the direct links right now. If you pull up the news and

newspapers for WA. it will show some of what has happened regarding  these 
raids. Not all information will be displayed.

I don't need to read or hear as I know what's been happening but nothing  
could be done.
 
Let's hope and pray some good and justice will come out of this for the  
dogs/puppies sakes.

 
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] mailto:009301c978c2$e4ed3830$2e01a...@matrix

[Chris]

My Tucson has had a couple of bouts of very low white blood count.  When
that's happened, I've known something was up cause she turned up her nose at
food-not like her at all.  Her nose and gums were very pale as well and she
was just out of sorts.  Each time, my vet has done a series of
immuno-regulin injections and the count has bounced back up.  He says he's
used that protocol with a number of FELV+ cats and has had decent success
with it...  

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Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 10:37 AM
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Yes, it's her white blood count that is dropping.  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Benny

[Chris]

I'm so sorry for your loss--it is so very hard.  But Ben hasn't really left
you--you may not see him or touch him but you will always feel him in your
heart.  That is the legacy they leave us...   

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of April Martella
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Subject: [Felvtalk] Benny

I am sad to say that my baby Ben has gone home to be with the Lord at 2:53
a.m. on January 14, 2009. My heart is broken and I can't imagine this
horrible pain ever subsiding. Thank you all for your help. Please add him to
the CLS. This is a ruthless unfair disease and a horrible way for our babies
to have to go. How do you deal with the extreme grief and sadness knowing
you will never see or touch them again? I am so not good with things like
this. 

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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 14:58:59 -0600
From: jb...@tds.net
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Benny and Hemobartinella
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc: Belinda Sauro ma...@bemikitties.com
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Hey with respect to Benny,

In the cats in this situation that I have seen, a blood transfusion can
really help.  If their hematocrit is really low (15) this can be very
helpful.  In fact if the donor is a cat that has been given the felv
vaccine, it may help convey passive immunity against the virus in the
recipient.

Also, interferon can have some absolutely horrendous side effects including
nausea and simply feeling lousy.  In fact, in people, some patients cannot
even finish the course because of the side effects.  Generally, however,
they are worse in the beginning and improve with time. 

I would look at a blood smear to make sure there is no agglutination of the
RBCs, although it sounds like they have tested for hemobartonella - I would
still do a smear.  Since, however, his WBCs, platlets and RBCs are all low,
it would suggest a primary bone marrow deficiency rather than something
attacking only the RBCs (as hemobartonella would do).  Is there any
indication of regenerating RBCs in the blood work.  This should be reported
on a blood smear.  They are called reticulocytes.  If there are, that is
hopeful.  It suggests that the bone marrow is attempting to replace the lost
cells.

I have never heard of doxy causing this problem so I can't add anything
there, sorry.  If, however, it does appear that Benny has hemobartonella,
there are other abx. in that class of drugs that could be tried.  Or perhaps
there is an injectable form - that I do not know.

It sounds like Benny you are doing a wonderful bit of nursing over there.
Have you tried baby food - make sure no onions are in it (worsens anemia)?
Does he have any interest in food at all?  Have you tried offering dry food
or cat treats?  

Good luck!!

Jenny
 Belinda Sauro ma...@bemikitties.com wrote: 
 Hi, this was sent to the list but didn't make it, I am forwarding it, 
please respond to April directly at *  aprilpres...@verizon.net*


Hi. I am responding to a post by Wendy on 1/10/09 titled ?Benny??sorry, 
I am not sure how to respond other than emailing?. Benny is doing the 
same. Very anemic. He is still pretty lethargic and weak and won?t eat 
much on his own. He did, however, gain 1 pound since I started assist 
feeding him a/d prescription food. But I would give anything to get him 
eating on his own again. Wendy asked if my vet put him on a 3 week round 
of doxycycline for possible hemo, and no, he did not. Benny?s hemo tests 
came back negative when we got him bloodwork done about a month ago. And 
then on Christmas eve, we got him more bloodwork that showed his RBC 
really low, (also his

Re: [Felvtalk] General seems to have a fever

[Chris]

Ingredients off web site
Chicken Breast Meat, Water, Seasoning ( Salt, Chicken Broth and Flavors),
Modified Food Starch, Sodium Phosphates.


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I just won't give it to him any more.  It's Tyson canned chicken breast.  



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Re: [Felvtalk] General seems to have a fever

[Chris]

Try the Gerber baby food-2nd stage.  Also, if you get some raw chicken (dark
meat is fine--wings, legs, etc), just boil it up in a bit of water--nothing
added.  Then you can give him the broth and the chicken.  

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I just won't give it to him any more.  It's Tyson canned chicken breast.  



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Re: [Felvtalk] my cat died age 7, have anorther FeLV cat, please advise, (long)

[Chris]

I'm so sorry that you lost Silver chan.  I lost my Romeo to lymphoma in much
the same way not too long ago.  It just seems to take them so fast--one day
Romeo seemed fine and within two weeks he died.  I don't think giving him
the cat food 'treats' contributed to his developing lymphoma--I understand
that FELV cats are more susceptible to this type of cancer and its one of
those conditions we all dread in our positives.

It sure sounds like Silver chan had a wonderful life and you shouldn't feel
that there was anything you could have done.  You did the very best for
him--he knew it, I'm sure--and he lived a full happy life.  That's what
matters most...

Christiane Biagi


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Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 7:18 PM
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Subject: [Felvtalk] my cat died age 7, have anorther FeLV cat, please
advise, (long)

Hi all, I'm Amanda I live in Japan, I don't know if I was a member 
here before or not, I keep going from group to group, but I need 
advice please. I just lost last week my beloved cat he was minus 4 
months almost 7 years old! He was diagnosed when he was about 1 1/2 
years old along with his sister. He also had a heart murmur that 
developed into a full heart problem when he was 3 years old. Besides 
taking the interferon when first had FeLV he never took any other 
medications, he was treated holistically and was on a raw diet, he 
would have cat food as a treat. He was very well sometimes had 
diarrea if ate too many bugs outside or ate a rat! He was an outside 
cat, but since just over 2 years ago I decided to have him on a 
harness and kept him inside as one of our cats got into a fight and 
had a heart attack ! He was healthy even. My cat (Sorry his name was 
Silver chan), at first cried to go outside, I had an outside cage 
for him too, and he soon ajusted to life on the leash, I'd take him 
for many walks aday as I could. Sometimes we'd be attacked by the 
neighbours tom cat (my cats are all neutered) and twice my cat got 
stressed out and bit me instead as a result! But other wise he was 
good natured. Since last fall 2007, I noticed that he didn't put on 
weight on, I even forgot about that it could be related to having 
FeLV , I thought maybe because he's on the leash and can't catch prey 
much now, sometimes he still did! Those days I was spoiling him with 
extra cat food with added rice, my husbands suggestion, I thought it 
was o.k since he did have abit of rice maybe once a week with fish, 
but he soon started getting stomach aches, so I stopped it, but would 
still sometimes give a teaspoon of cat food as a treat, mostly I'd 
try natural ones with no or low salt. I tried to keep him as stress 
free as possible knowing he had a heart problem. He was also on DMG, 
CoQ10, natto, and probiotics, for his heart. This year suddenly his 
voice changed abit, so off to the vets and they thought it maybe 
stress related, though I had gave him some chicken cat food that I 
never gave before, so I stopped that and soon his voice became normal 
again, that time was May and we had all the tests and x rays, and 
nothing was found. During the summer sometimes he would vomit and he 
always ate grass and maybe more lately, once or twice he vomitted a 
little blood, I thought he just had a delicate stomach, so took care 
not to give him too much food, ( he ate 3 small meals aday) He always 
had some stress from stray cats passing on garden /land, taht May he 
growled at one, so not sure if it was related. Anyway we adopted 3 
more cats this summer, he's very good with other cats, but he would 
get annoyed if they followed us on our walks, but we soon left them 
and went alone which he loved but he didn't mind sharing the house 
with them. Well just over 3 weeks ago I noticed him breathing fast, 
I thought his heart had worsened but it was lymphoma cancer in his 
chest and fluid arround his lungs, we tried chemo but made him worst 
and he lost alot of weight, so he was just made comfortable for the 
last weeks, he died on the 22nd. Of course I'm going through the self 
blame phrase, I wish I hadn't given him cat food as snacks! and many 
other things, I have anorther cat who has it now, he had interferon 
and is now better and is on a raw diet and lactoferrin and digestive 
enzymes, is there anything else I can do for him? And do you think 
my cat Silver chan could have lived longer? I mean when he first lost 
weight last year, maybe he should have had interferon again? I'm sure 
it was all FeLV related but what could I or should I have done? I 
really thought he didn't have FeLV anymore, and was just concerned 
about his heart! Please also tell me your stories, what age did your 
cats live to , what treatments, diet ect? I really don't want to 
make any more mistakes, I feel like I killed my cat giving him cat 
food that may have caused him to go 

Re: [Felvtalk] General seems to have a fever

[Chris]

Try to get him to eat anything--preferably something with liquid in it for
water.  Tuna water from canned tuna sometimes work.  Then start going thru
your refrigerator and try a morsel of anything and everything--cold cuts,
yogurt, cold chicken, beef, cheese--just remember that's what important is
not what he eats but that he eats something.  Also try spoon feeding him a
bit and see if he'll lick the food a bit.  There is something called
Nutrical which comes in a tube--most cats like it.  You put a little strip
of it on your finger and they lick it up.  You should be able to find it in
any pet store and it contains lots of nutrients as well as moisture.  

 

Christiane Biagi

Cell:  914-720-6888

ti...@mindspring.com 

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he has only failed to eat today.  He was eating fine yesterday.  

 

He perked up a little just in the last 10 minutes, came over and made 

biscuits on my tummy and nowhe's taking a bath in the recliner :-)  

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Message from new member April

[Chris]

April-

Good for you for having a senior FELV+!  I have one who is around 8 or 9 who
has had a couple of episodes of low white blood count.  She's 18 lbs and
when she doesn't eat very much for more than a day or so and when her nose
and gums get real pale, I start thinking about bringing her in for blood
work.  Her wbc counts were real low.

My vet used immune-regulin with her--can't remember how many shots but I
brought her in once a week for 3 or 4 weeks I think.  It raised her wbc each
time with no side effects...

Christiane Biagi
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Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 12:37 PM
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Subject: [Felvtalk] Message from new member April

   Hi All, this message never came through the list as far as I know, 
something wrong with it and it wasn't allowed.  If any one has any 
answers for April please write directly to her at
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messages.  James can you check on that please, thanks!!

Subject: How to get the White Blood Cell count up
*From: April Martella [EMAIL PROTECTED]*
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:18:04 -0500
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

Hi,

I am new to the list, I have a 13 year old FeLV positive kitty who I 
recently took to the vet because he looked to me like he was losing some 
weight. Turns out he only lost a few ounces from our last visit about 7 
months ago. They did a senior blood panel on him and everything came out 
good except his white blood cell count was a bit low, which the vet 
informed me is common is FeLV pos kitties. Anyone know how I can get 
this number up, or of something I can give him to boost his immune 
system and get these numbers up?

Thanks!

April

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Re: [Felvtalk] After Dental extraction - what to feed

[Chris]

ANYTHING she'll eat--even people food.  You could also try some Nutrical--a
little goes a long way and sometimes it jumps start their appetite.

Not sure why she would have blood in urine?  Did the vet have any ideas?

Christiane Biagi
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Subject: [Felvtalk] After Dental extraction - what to feed

Bea had her dental surgery on Thursday and everything went well. She did
have some blood in her urine after she came to and I'll be keeping an eye on
that. Because of time and 4 teeth that gave the dr a hard time only the back
teeth were extracted. I wish they could have all been done but safety first.
Yesterday she seemed to eat okay. She was picky on what she wanted but she
was eating. Today she doesn't really want to eat. I've tried just about
everything I can think of - wet adult, wet kitten even baby food (no
onion/tomato) but she's just not interested. She'll take a couple of licks
and that's it. I know she must be in some discomfort even with the pain
meds. but I'm not sure what else to try. I have been mixing everything with
some water to make sure she's at least staying somewhat hydrated. As far as
I know she hasn't taken a drink from the water bowl yet.

Does anyone have any suggestions on what else I might get her to eat? I know
she's hungry because she'll follow me into the kitchen and sit in front of
where I prepare her food normally.

Thanks
Dawn



  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Buzz is gone

[Chris]

Buzz will always be in your heart---he was a very lucky little guy  I
know it hurts so much right now but pretty soon you'll smile when you think
of all those funny little things he did--all those good times that you will
never ever forget.  Those memories are his lasting gift to you.  

Christiane Biagi
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Subject: [Felvtalk] Buzz is gone

Today I had to have my sweet little kitty Buzz PTS.  I feel like a very
large piece of me is missing.

The first time I saw Buzz I fell in love with him.  He was terrified,
cowering between two up-ended mattresses in an unused bedroom at my
brothers' house.  He had been abused by neighborhood boys in an urban area
where my brother used to live.  When my sister in law, Lee, rescued him he
was very sick, full of parasites, starving and near death.  She and my
brother nursed him back to physical health but he was still terrified of
people. They named him Buzz Saw because of the way his claws flew whenever
anyone got near him.  That day Lee caught him in a blanket and handed him to
me.  I sat with him and gently pet him and talked to him.  Within about 20
minutes he was purring. Before we left that day he reached up to me and
touched noses.

After about a week I talked my husband into keeping him.  When I brought him
home I put him into our study so he had a smaller space to get used to, and
to keep him separate from the other cats. When I took him to the vet a few
days later his feline leukemia test came back positive.  Buzz was going to
live in the study for quite a while so I filled it with cat toys and a cat
tree and pretty much spoiled him as much as much as I could. Every evening I
would spend hours with him.  I was working on a computer project and he kept
me company with that. That is how it was from January of '07 to April.  At
that point it was clear that keeping him separate was not working.  We
vaccinated the other cats for feline leukemia and released Buzzy into the
rest of the house.  He loved his new freedom and became every ones quiet
little shadow. He loved to watch what was going on.  His favorite place was
a window bench that looks out on the bird feeder.  At night he either slept
on a ledge right behind my head or cuddled up next to me, purring.  When
July came I noticed that he seemed to have no energy and was not eating.
When we took him to the vet the diagnosis was anemia.  With heavy doses of
prednesolone his health and red blood count began to come back.  I was so
happy watching my sweet boy gaining back his energy and appetite.  While he
was recuperating I would take him out to sit on the deck on my lap.  He
loved sniffing the outdoor smells and feeling the warm sunshine on his fur.
He would sit and purr out there for as long as I could sit and hold him.  In
the evenings Buzzy loved to chase DaBird and the laser pointer.  His blood
was being tested every couple of weeks and soon it was in the normal range.
We began to back off on the prednesolone.  For several weeks everything was
going well until the week that his blood count started going the wrong
direction.  I prayed that it was just the one time but unfortunately not.
That horrible disease was in his bone marrow and the medication was no
longer helping.  For the last several weeks I watched as he became more and
more lethargic.  We offered him every special treat we could think of to
keep him eating and he would nibble on those tidbits almost to the end.  He
would sit all day on his window seat and for the last week we carried him to
the litter box.  He always watched every move I made as I moved around the
kitchen. Today when he just put his head down in exhaustion instead of
watching, I knew it was time to say goodbye to my darling boy. When I took
him to the vet I told him how much I have loved him and asked him to meet me
at the bridge.  Then he went to sleep in my arms.  I will miss him so very
much, but now he is in a place where there is no feline leukemia.

Sue

 
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Re: [Felvtalk] So now what?

[Chris]

Lisa
3 of mine were mixed with one of my positives, Tucson, for 4 + years before
I even knew she was positive.  They shared dishes, litter boxes, groomed
each other, and had the usual scrapes that all kitties do.  None of my neg
had been vaccinated cause it just wasn't an issue at the time. No neg ever
came down w. FELV and though I did vaccinate them when I found out Tucson
was pos, I never worried about it.  I then got another pos, Romeo, an older
guy who recently succumbed to lymphoma and though it was heartbreaking, I
don't regret for one second taking him in 4 1/2 years ago.  He was probably
around 9-10 years old when he died.  My Tuscon is the same age, 18 lbs and
the biggest spoiled temperamental calico you could meet.  You don't know how
long you have with any animal and every minute just leaves a wonderful
memory in your heart.

I would perhaps seek out a vet who has had some experience with treating the
things that come up w. a FELV cat.  My original vet, who I loved, honestly
told me he hadn't had much experience an helped me find someone who did.  I
ended up with a friend's vet who it turned out was the vet for a small
little FELV rescue in the area.  He's laid back, takes everything in stride,
and has a lot of patients in mixed households.  Its real important, I found,
to have a vet who works with you  

Christiane Biagi
Cell:  914-720-6888
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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] So now what?

 

My kitten tested positive on his IFA test. My vet told me I should
keep him isolated, or euthanize him. I couldn't do the latter, and
isolating him ... well, I think that would just stress everyone out
even more. So after calling a good friend while sitting outside of
the vet's office last night, in tears, he's still with me, with my
other cats, and I'm treating him for his diarrhea. My other cats have
been vaccinated - my girl had her booster last month, and my other boy
is going in on Thursday for his booster. He's the one I'm concerned
about. He's the absolute LOVE of my life. But he's the picture of
health, and I intend to keep it that way. 

Please just tell me that I can do this ... that I'm doing the right
thing. 

Lisa
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Re: [Felvtalk] 3 1/2 month old kitten with diarrhea

[Chris]

Lisa--good for you for taking such good care of this little guy.  And you
have come to the right place for help--folks here are the most knowledgeable
I've ever found.  I've mixed and never had a problem.  Also, it is always
possible that a kitten can throw off the virus so you may want to retest
several months from now if the IFA is pos.  And know that no matter what
happens, you will never never never regret letting that little ball of fur
into your heart...

Christiane Biagi
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Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 8:25 AM
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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] 3 1/2 month old kitten with diarrhea

 

Thank you so much, Jane. Any and all advice is welcomed. I'm very
new to this, and have been going between feeling hopeful about
things, and bursting into tears. I love him so much. I'm on pins and
needles waiting for my vet to call with the test results. 

Lisa
 On Fri 14/11/08 7:06 AM , Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent:
  Hi Lisa
 Forti-Flora will be fine for a kitten. I used it successfully with
mine.
 I am rushing out and will write more later.
 Jane
 On Nov 14, 2008, at 12:55 AM, Lisa Borden wrote:
 
  I am so happy to have found this list. Two weeks ago, I took in a
3
  month old kitten. He's a beautiful orange kitten and I've fallen
in
  love with him. Yesterday I took him to the vet for his vaccines,
and
  we ran an FeLV/FIV snap test. It came back positive for FeLV. We
  sent off the other test (IFA?) to the lab and I await those
results.
 
  I have two other cats - one is almost 4 (male) and one is 2
  (female). They have both been vaccinated against FeLV. My male in
  particular has become close with the kitten. it proved to be
  impractical to isolate the kitten as he just cried and cried ...
and
  escaped every time I opened the door. So I decided to supervise
them,
  make sure they don't fight, keep a clean litterbox, etc. and I
just
  let him back out with my other cats. From the couple of posts I
have
  read, I see I am not the only one. And my vet was so adament about
  keeping the baby isolated.
 
  He does have diarrhea, and I was looking at probiotics. Can
  something like Fortiflora harm him if he does have a compromised
  immune system? I understand I would be giving him good bacteria
to
  balance things out. He was negative for worms.
 
  Thank you for any info, and I look forward to the group,
regardless
  of the test results. My kitten is active, and is a LOVE ... and he
  isn't going anywhere!
 
  Lisa
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[Felvtalk] Romeo is gone....

[Chris]

It is with a very heavy heart that I tell you that I lost my Romeo today to
lymphoma.  I write not out of grief but to encourage all the newbies who
wonder whether they can hang on with a FELV positive, whether they know
enough to take care of them, whether they should mix, etc.  And the
resounding answer is YES YES YES.  My Romeo was a throw away stray that I
first met 7+ years ago when I helped someone out feeding a little colony
near me.  He was already an adult (3-4 years old) who would come running
across the field when I’d whistle and meow the whole way so I wouldn’t miss
him.  He would get underfoot, get bullied by the other cats, bury
everybody’s food, and just rub up against my leg for some loving.  I knew
someone had been unkind to him cause if I raised my hand, he’d scamper away,
just out of reach, cowering.  

 

Fast forward two years and we had one of the coldest NY winters we’ve had in
a long time.  One weekend, we were expecting zero degree temps and a major
snowstorm.  Romeo was the last of the colony and I knew I had to bring him
in.  I even had an adoptive home ready—but he turned out to be positive and
they couldn’t handle it.  Soo, he stayed in my room for a few weeks,
watching my every move, figuring out the TV and the vacuum cleaner weren’t
that bad.  Slowly, he started coming out of his crate at night when he
thought I was asleep.  Little baby steps—first the food dish got moved next
to his crate.  Then the litter box in the bathroom.  And slowly, he’d come
out during the day.  I knew we won the battle when I peeked out over my
monitor to spot him on my bed.  You could see it in his face—this is
niiice and from that point on, he was totally
comfortable being in and around we humans.  Funny thing is that he never
really wanted to get out—he rarely sat at the window—the couch and the bed
were always much more comfortable for him!

 

Over these last 4 ½ years, Romeo turned into the most loving cat you’d ever
want to meet.  Only thing I could never do was pick him up or restrain him
in any way---he was just too scared.  But he’d jump up on me, lie on my
chest as I was trying to get to sleep, follow me around like a puppy dog and
otherwise just kept thanking all the humans he met for being safe and warm
and loved.  My other cats were a bit leary of him and Tucson never did take
much of a liking to him—all jealousy, I’m sure.  But Romeo persevered and
the two of them had come to terms with each other...

 

His final illness took him quickly.  He’d never been real sick before—had
some gum and teeth problems a couple of times, but that was it.  Going to
the vet was a major trauma for him so I’d always worked with my wonderful
vet to keep those visits to a bare minimum.  But today was one of those days
that I knew he had to get to the vet asap.  He’d been feeling poorly during
the week and over the weekend, he started breathing very hard—like he
couldn’t catch his breath.  He’d been on antibiotics for what I thought was
another gum problem but when we got to the vet, I knew it was a whole lot
more.  My vet sent me immediately to our local specialty hospital and they
confirmed the lymphoma.  He had a large mass in his chest, his lungs had
filled up with fluid, and I knew that emotionally and physically, he could
never withstand an aggressive course of treatment that in all likelihood
would only give him a short extension of his life.  So, I made that decision
we all dread after I looked in his eyes and knew he was telling me it was
time.  I stroked him to the end and told him I loved him.

 

And do I regret taking him in—ABSOLUTELY NOT.  He gave me so many wonderful
memories and he will always be in my heart.  And did he regret coming
inside—ABSOLUTELY NOT—he had almost 5 years of a wonderful life and I know
that had he stayed out, he would have died a miserable death from the cold
and hunger or an infection and he would have been alone.  We can’t save them
forever—but we can give them some wonderful time and we can all learn so
very much about life from these little guys.  

 

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[Felvtalk] Romeo's story...

[Chris]

Thank you all for your kind words and to those who still struggle with sick
kitties, I know how hard it is and how hopeful you all are.  This board
continues to help with an incredible wealth of very practical down to earth
info...  It was because of all of you that I knew instantly what the vet was
saying when she said lymphoma.  I knew the options and possibilities and
could ask the right questions and could make an informed decision when I
needed to.  

 

Romeo's story is not unique==I really posted it for all those who are just
getting into the FELV world-for them to know that no matter what, its all
worth it.  I found myself smiling tonight as I thought about all those goofy
things he did-I don't think he was ever allowed to be a kitten and he made
up for it as he got older-he loved playing just like little kittens do.  No
matter the worry or the cost, giving him that opportunity was worth it
whether he stayed 5 years or 5 months or 5 days.  

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Seeking homes for cats after death

[Chris]

Looks like a great setup--but the endownment fees are steep  Still, for
those who can afford it, it looks like a pretty good situation.. at least
from their web sit...
http://www.cvm.tamu.edu/petcare/index.htm 

Christiane Biagi
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On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 4:28 PM, Lorrie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Kelley,

 Wouldn't they spend their remaining lives in cages at Texas AM? I'd
 believe I'd rather see my cats euthanized than living in a cage.

 Lorrie


Lorrie,

They are not caged at all - possibly for feeding purposes as they all get
individual diets tailored to the needs of the animals, but not other than
that..  The cats are free-roaming in the cat area, and the dogs are
free-roaming in the dog area, the birds are free-flying in the bird area -
for obvious reasons they do not allow the cats into the bird area or the
dogs into the cat area.  They can go into the student living quarters with
the students to watch TV or whatever.  I would not want my cats in cages
either.

They also have a barn and pasture for horses, ponies, donkeys, llamas, etc.
Please check out the link.




 
  http://www.cvm.tamu.edu/petcare/
 
  I do not plan to leave to relatives, I have seen too many relatives dump
 the
  pets at the kill shelter before the person is cold in the ground.
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Seeking homes for cats after death

[Chris]

Absolutely!  You can't tell much of anything from newsletters, pictures on
the web, etc.  And I agree, a one time visit doesn't tell u much of
anything!

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tamara stickler
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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Seeking homes for cats after death

Just a word of advice, watch where you wind up leaving your cats.  If it is
to be to an organization, I would suggest you become active volunteers of
the organization NOW and keep up a face to face envolvement throughout the
rest of your life!
   
  By volunteering I have gathered intimate knowledge of an organization that
I once thought was wonderful...and grew to knew it to be a place were I
wouldn't leave a bug, much less a loved one, but you'd NEVER know it to
visit or to read the newsletter.  

   
  The more I volunteered at different organizations the more I have become
convinced that as I go through life, I (and I'm only speaking of myself
here, not passing judgement on anyone else or meaning to preach) have to be
certain to only take in as many animals at a time as I have friends and
relatives to take care of them should something happen to me.  Even then,
there is no guarantee.
   
  But if you are active, involved physcially NOT just financially, you will
make contacts with others who have the same interests and concern as you do.
Then, even should the organization take a turn for the worse, you still have
personal contacts who may take a personal interest in your cats and do
everything in their power to make certain they get a fair shake...even if
the organization is full and can't take any more animals at the time you
need them to.
   
  Remember, being physcially involved can be a low stress as you need it to
befrom just visiting every week or so, to perhaps groom or play with the
cats being sheltered to answering phones to working the occasional weekend
adoption events.
   
  Tamara

Lorrie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On 10-31, Sharyl wrote:
 Kelly, how does one go about finding a a list of sanctuaries for
 pets to list in ones will.  I have a combo of healthy cats, CRF
 kitties, and FeLV+ kitties.  I'd like to make plans in advance.  At
 61 I can reasonably expect to live for many years but there is
 always the chance of accidents, unexpected illness, etc.  How does
 a person plan for something like this when it might not be needed
 for 20 yrs? Sharyl

This is a HUGE concern of mine too. I have 15 cats at home, and I'm
75 and my husband is 86!! Some of these cats are quite young and 
I'm sure we won't out live them. I'll pay whatever is necessary to
find them a good home, but finding the place or persons is the
problem. In my will I left $2,000 per cat to each person who will 
take one of my babies, but so far I've not found anyone who will
take them. My three grown kids can take one or two each, but they
all have a bunch of cats and dogs of their own. I worry about this
constantly. If anyone has any ideas speak up.

Lorrie in WV

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Re: [Felvtalk] tests

[Chris]

Just for my own info...  I thought IFA would show if the virus has spread to
bone marrow and that a pos IFA was pretty accurate determination.. Am I
wrong on that?

And you can have false neg Elissa --My Tucson was one of those--she got
tested as a very young kitten and obviously, exposure had been recent--5
years later she (an indoor spoiled 18 pounder), tested pos on both Elissa
and IFA.  Two vets confirmed that neg test was likely because of timing.  

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please provide information about the PCR test you're talking about. the last
i'd heard, there were none available that wree consistently accurate and
reliable--they've been working on this for a long time and haven't been able
to establish a test that's acceptibly accurate across many labs.

i know that they HAVE developed one for FIV to determine if the virus is
vaccine-induced or not, but as of a month or so ago, it still wasn't
commercially available, tho it's expected to be soon.

as far as everything i've read, at this time, the IFA is still considered
the confirmatory test for FeLV. i'd love to see anything newer.

what has to remembered with FeLV is that, unlike FIV, the ELISA test is for
ANTIGENS, not antibodies--so a cat can test negative merely because the
exposure was too recent tos how up--so the negative isn't false, it just
was too early. likewise, false positives may be false positives from all the
things inherent in the test, but they can also be true at that time: the cat
has been EXPOSED to the virus. antigens are NOT an immune response, however,
just an indiciation that the kitty has been closely exposed to the virus.

this is where the biggest misunderstandings arise: most adult cats will
throw the virus off anywhere between 30-120 days--their immune systems will
just knock it out. then a test will be negative because there are no longer
antigens wandering around irritating them. but if you test too soon, you'll
just get another positive result because the cat's body hasn't had the
chance to work the virus out.

doing an ELISA and an IFA right away will probably give you the same result
on both of them, because it's the EXPOSURE that's showing up. the only real
way to know is to consider a positive result for what it is: an indication
that kitty was in close contact with someone who had the virus. (we don't
know for sure, as far as i have seen, that a cat on the edge of throwing off
the virus itself can't still pass it on, perhaps at a subclinical
level?)--if you know when the last date the kitty could have been in contact
with another cat, test if 90-120 later than that. with the IFA (or if
there really is a DNA/PCR test newly available, that one)

and then make the decisions.

MC


On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Saehwa Kang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The ELISA test takes a blood sample from the lower leg, and is
 inexpensive. It's not that accurate, as there are false positives and
 sometimes false negatives. We had 2 three month old kittens who became
 negative within 1 month, and one that became negative 3 months later.

 You can retest after about 2-3 months with the Elisa again. Better yet
 is the IFA test. It checks whether the felv has reached the bone
 marrow- the vet sends a blood sample to a lab and is a tad more
 expensive but much more accurate.

 However,the best alternative after a positice elisa test is the new
 PCR test. It's so new you won't see it in many google searches. It can
 detect even minute quanitites of the virus and is the most accurate
 test out there- also sent to the lab. Best after two consecutive
 positive ELISA tests.

 Your kitties can fight off the virus and change to negative though
 it's not guaranteed. They probably got it from their mother. Many
 kittens can and do fight it off which is why early testinf is often
 inaccurate. In order to do so, you'll need to provide a low stress
 environment, indoor only home to reduce exposure to germs, premium
 food mostly canned (wellness, innova evo, natures variety
 instinct,etc), clean the litterbox and dishes daily and have more than
 one box, vaccuum and keep them flea and worm free, as well as spend
 time playing with the kittens and giving them affection, toys, warm
 places to sleep.

 There are no guarantees but it is possible to go from positive to
 negative. Just takes dedication and having hope...

 And others will tell you a felv positive diagnosis is not a death
 sentence!
 There are plenty of people here who have healthy cats with felv that
 have had long lives.

 I don't know about financial assistance, but you should try and talk
 to your vet about payment options. The cheapest ELISA test I found ran
 about $25-30 here in LA.

 Also, you can do you best to change their 

Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten chronic loose stool

[Chris]

One note on coccidia--I'm a remote volunteer for a shelter in Louisiana and
they recently had some very young pups with Coccidia.  They put them on
Albon and it still wouldn't clear up.  Then the vet used Marquis Paste
instead and it seems to have really cleared it up.  I've read a number of
things which recommends the Marquis Paste over the Albon, particularly with
resistant coccidia.

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Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 11:57 AM
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Subject: [Felvtalk] Kitten chronic loose stool

 
Hi all,
My FeLV foster kitten, Daisy (about 14 weeks old now) has had soft
stools, and sometimes uncontrollable diarrhea, ever since she was found
in the street at 3 weeks.
When I began fostering her about 5 weeks ago she had been taking meds
for coccidia for several weeks without improvement. I took her to my
vet, who has state of the art everything, including feces-testing
methods, and he found that her coccidia had cleared up (it never
actually goes away) and what she had was (bad) bacterial growth. He put
her on a 3-meds treatment plan that included 5 days Panacure. 
She has control now, but her stool is still baby food consistency. 
My question is---have any of you ever used an exclusive diet of broiled
or raw chicken to treat a *kitten's* diarrhea/loose stool? 
I've used it successfully with my former adult FeLV, Snoball, but I'm
worried about the effects of an incomplete (albeit temporary) diet of
this kind on a kitten.
I'd also welcome hearing of any other successful ways that anyone may
have found in treating kittens' loose stools.
Thanks!
Kerry M.


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Re: [Felvtalk] New to group

[Chris]

Have 2 positive and 3 negatives.  One of my pos lived with my 3 negs for
years before I even knew she was pos!  Nobody has come down with FELV--I
vaccinate the negs.  

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I've been mixing *except kittens* for nearly 15 years now.  I've never had
it transferred.  Your cats should not have a problem.  Good luck!
  tonya

Tracey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hello,
I have to say this is a very enlightening forum. I have learned so much
from you all! I found a stray 2 months ago at work who was in terrible
condition, 
near death, starving, fleas, worms, etc. She had a 'tipped' ear and I found
out 
later she was an Indy Feral cat who was in the TNR program. Don't know
whether 
she was actually 'feral' though, but I doubt it because she has become quite
lovable. 
Had her tested at a low cost clinic and was +. The vet there said her teeth
didn't 
look so good and that was typical in feral cats. 
When I took her to my regular vet, he somehow neglected to even look in her 
mouth and he said as a + she'd live a couple months to a year, giving a very
grim 
diagnosis. I tried not to prod at her too much at first since she was in
such a 
delicate condition, but about a week after the vet appt, I noticed she was
missing 
all of her tiny teeth on the top and all but one of the little ones on the
bottom. I was 
horrified and it was then realized that my vet hadn't even looked in her
mouth. 
After nursing her back to health, she has become very healthy except for
some 
sneezing spells every now and then. This does worry me because sometimes 
mucus comes out. She had extreme uncontrollable diarrhea 
when I first got her, which after using fortiflora for a month helped a lot,
but did 
not cure it completely. For the last week I have been feeding her a raw
chicken 
diet (I have been feeding my other 3 cats this diet since February with
amazing results) 
and her diarrhea is completely gone.
So she's been in my bathroom isolated from my other cats this entire time,
and she 
really does seem to be happy there but I hate to keep them separated. I am
getting 
ready to take her to the vet again to have her teeth checked out because her
breath 
is really terrible (seeing a different vet there though). I am worried about
stressing her 
out by taking her to the vet and I know they will recommend a cleaning which
will 
probably stress her even more, but having an unhealthy mouth would be worse
on
her than the experience of a cleaning. Right? 
I have 3 other (negative) cats, 2 are adults and one is about 1 year and 5
months 
(I guess you'd call her an adult, she did just have her 2nd dose of the felv
vax) These 
2 vets say they would absolutely NOT mix. 
My question to all of you who mix is: Have any of your negatives become + ??
Any advice
would be greatly appreciated.

Tracey
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Re: [Felvtalk] Cole's last fight

[Chris]

I'm so sorry for your loss...  and don't second guess yourself.  You and
Cole knew in your hearts when it was time... and he will always be in your
heart...

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It is with great sadness that I have to say that my Cole has lost his fight.
The last 2 weeks he has been recieving epogen shots two times a week and we
found out today that the shots have not improved his anemia. He in fact got
worse and his hemoglobin went down to 9% from 11% 2 weeks ago. He has also
lost an addition 1lb in 3 days because he would not eat. It was the hardest
thing ever to have to make the call in putting him to sleep or not, but he
has been so lethargic and down the last couple days, I had no choice. He was
not in good enough shape to even attempt any other treatment at this point.
I wish I would have caught this earlier and maybe treatment would have been
better. He had been living with Feline Leukemia since birth and he lived to
be almost 7, so at least I was blessed with that time with him. Right now
the hardest thing is to come home and not have him waiting at the door for
me. I am praying that I made the right decision and didnt jump the gun on
putting him to sleep, but I just could not take it if I knew that I was
prolonging his suffering. I am having him cremated and we are having a
special urn made for him with his picture. All I can say is that having Cole
for a short 6 1/2 years was worth the heartache I have now, he was my rock
and was there for me when I needed him and now it is my turn to be there for
him. Thank you all for your support and words of advice, it helped me make
it through the 2 toughest weeks of my life. I love you Cole.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi

[Chris]

Good for you for taking care of Kiwi--he sounds like a spunky little guy.
Whatever you do for him is more than most would have done and we all just
try to do the best we can depending on our circumstances.  I have 2 FELV +
and one, Romeo, absolutely freaks out if I have to take him to vet.  I've
only done a few trips with him because of that--it would be good if I could
get him there more regularly but the stress to him is not worth it.  He's an
older guy and I know with him, I have to watch his teeth/gums as he's prone
to infections.  My other FELV+, Tucson, is more mellow about going to vet
but still finds it pretty stressful.  I know with her, if she turns her nose
up at food, something's going on and I need to check her white blood count. 

I made a decision based on their personalities, etc. that the very best I
could do for both of them was to give them some decent food, keep them safe
at home, etc.  I know them well enough to sense when something is up.  You
shouldn't have to bring Kiwi for regular blood tests and I don't bring mine
in for yearly checkups.  Save vet trips for when you know something's
really not right...  If vet prescribes meds, have him give u a prescription
and consider buying online or even at regular drug store--oftentimes, meds
are cheaper that way.  Maybe for the diahrea, start by bringing stool sample
for testing to vet first.  Its cheaper and this way if you do have to bring
Kiwi in, he'll have some ideas about what is or is not going on.  

In the meantime, get him to eat anything that he'll keep down and make sure
he has plenty of fluids--water, water from tuna can, moist people food
like chicken, etc.  Try not to change the food he eats too often--if you
have to, mix the old food w. the new as change of food can also cause
diahrea.  Look around for some really good food for him--doesn't have to be
the most expensive food but watch for fillers that don't have any
nutritional value.  If he eats chicken fine, then maybe supplement dry food
with cooked chicken--and it doesn't have to be chicken breast--my guys LOVE
the dark meet I peel off chicken legs, etc.



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Will only take him to the vets as needed.  I am a little worried because he
is a bit thin and has the runny stools that he might have some type of
deficiency.  He might need it this time just to see where he stands.  He
hasn't seen a vet since he was fixed.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi

[Chris]

I switched my gang to Wellness wet--though it's a bit more than other foods,
I find that its nutritious enough that they don't eat quite as much of it.
I have two whose weight is a tad bit more than I'd like it to be and wanted
to get away from fillers that would put on more weight.  I tried the dry a
couple of times, but they turned up their noses at it--they're not spoiled
or anything!

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I have a friend who's had good luck with Wellness for other things -

Gloria

At 10:03 AM 8/24/2008, you wrote:
One of my fosters (FeLV negative) is an older cat who always had 
diarrhea problems, no matter what food I used. Finally I put him on 
Wellness and he hasn't had diarrhea since.
Laura


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  From: Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Sunday, August 24, 2008, 10:37 AM
  Another remedy - our rescue normally does a drop or two of
  Revolution
  on the back for kittens - can get fleas and internal
  parasites.  I
  also buy Panacur for $8 at the Farmers store, and give a
  little bit
  (1/4 cc) to kittens for parasites.   I buy homeopathic
  anti-diarrhea
  tincture in a small bottle for $8-10 at the health food
  store and use
  it for some forms of diarrhea.  I like the canned pumpkin
  for diarrhea
  too, sounds like a great first thing to try for the baby.
 
  Best of luck,
 
  Gloria
 
 
 
  On Aug 24, 2008, at 2:55 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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   Will only take him to the vets as needed.  I am a
  little worried
   because he is a bit thin and has the runny stools that
  he might have
   some type of deficiency.  He might need it this time
  just to see
   where he stands.  He hasn't seen a vet since he
  was fixed.
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Duncan is gone

[Chris]

I'm so sorry for your double loss  

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Subject: [Felvtalk] Duncan is gone

Sadly, I had to have Duncan euthanized last night. He was suffering from a
URI and getting Clavamox, and the URI was clearing up, but he was still
sluggish. On Sunday night he seemed disoriented, and was crying as if he was
in a lot of pain. I rushed him to the emergency vet and then to my regular
vet Monday morning. The vet called me at 5:30 as I was driving home from
work to get Duncan's food and told me that he thought Duncan was very close
to dying. Test results had showed Hemobartonella and he was fading fast. We
talked about possible treatments but Dr Leathers felt that it would be best,
and kindest, to put him down. 
He deteriorated so quickly - just a couple of days ago he was eating and
walking around. Unfortunately, I assumed he just wasn't 100% because of the
URI. I will not make that mistake again. He has never shown any symptoms in
the year that I've had him. My other two positives, who lived with him, are
fine, but I'm going to have them checked out at the vet next week.
I lost my 18 year old cat last Monday so this hasn't been a very good past
couple of weeks for me. 
Laura

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Re: [Felvtalk] cautiously hopeful--Please keep praying for Michelle's Patches

[Chris]

Thinking good thoughts for Patches...

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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] cautiously hopeful--Please keep praying for
Michelle's Patches

Dear all, a cautiously hopeful update from Michelle:

Thank you all for praying! The internist just called, sounding rather
surprised, to say that Patches' bilirubin is down to 2.2 (from 6.1), her
PCV is at 20, she is bright, and she has started eating more on her own!
They are hoping to send her home tonight, and the oncologist thinks we
should make a chemo appointment for Monday! She is certainly not out of
the woods, since it is unclear what the anemia is from or how controlled
it is right now, and she now needs a lot more insulin since she is on
dexamethasone and A/D for her feeding tube, but what a difference from
yesterday! I don't want to get too excited because I am afraid it will
jinx her, and in fact she is still very much in the woods for the long
and even near term, since she has so many illnesses now, including
lymphoma. But she is our little superhero, and if she feels better
today, I am glad just for that.

Thanks again for your prayers, and please keep them coming, and please
update the list serve for me too. A number of the old timers wrote me
individual emails, which has meant a lot to me.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Vet visit update

[Chris]

Good news about the test results.

One suggestion though--contact this no-kill shelter RIGHT NOW!  Most
no-kills are always full up and you need to be absolutely sure they will
take the kittens.  Also, please check the shelter yourself to make sure its
on the up and up.  Ask what happens to kittens who aren't adopted?  Do they
keep them?  Don't wait until the kittens are born.

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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 8:34 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Vet visit update

Morrison and Isobel are both FeLV NEGATIVE!  I was so happy when I found
out!  Those were the longest 10 minutes of my life (the time it takes for
the test results).  They both got their FeLV vaccine.  At first they weren't
going to give Isobel one because she's pregnant (the vet confirmed) but then
they found their FeLV vaccine for pregnant kitties.  I spoke with my vet
about a spay-abort and he said basically it was my choice, but that is
something he does (for a much bigger price), but he said I should also
consider no-kill shelters.  There's a shelter that brings cats who're up for
adoption to my vet's office and they're on display in the lobby.  He told me
to take the kittens there after they've been weened and seen by him and most
likely they'd be adopted out sooner rather than later, and possibly even
displayed in his office, and their kittens always go fast.  There's an
adoption application and a donation fee, so as to make sure they're
 being adopted into good homes who really want them.  I got the feeling from
my vet that he's not too fond of doing spay-abortions.  He said if I do
choose to do that, I need to do it within the next two weeks tops because he
guesstimated that she's going to give birth within four weeks, give or
take.  

As for Ash, he got his rabies vaccination and he's all set to get neutered
on the 28th.  I discussed supplements for him and he recommended Lisine
(spelling).  He said I can get it at most health food stores, or maybe even
Walmart.  250 mgs a day.  I am going to look into other supplements as
well.  I have names of some.  With the supplements and with periodic
wellness visits, Ash should be fine for a while (I hope).

 Jennifer - PROUD VEGETARIAN  LOCAL SPCA VOLUNTEER.  Be their voice. 
        ~ loving mama to ~
            Morrison (born Oct. 10, 2000)
            Isobel aka Fat Girl (born Feb. 7, 2007)
            Ash (born July 11, 2007, diagnosed FeLV+ July 28, 2008)




  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Urinary issues

[Chris]

My Tucson has this annoying little habit of peeing in not so great
places--usually, its cause she's mad at somebody or somebody annoyed her
when she was heading for the litter box or the moon is high or whatever!
But once, the vet found she had clogged anal sacs and he said that might
cause her problems...  

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Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 9:29 PM
To: Felvtalk
Subject: [Felvtalk] Urinary issues

Does anyone here know of a group of some sort or have any ideas what I can
try next? First of all my fiv+ girl has been diagnosed with IFLUTD (
idiopathic feline lower urinary tract disease) back in April when she
started piddling on my bed.Well after being on Amitryptaline for
awhil(,which was supposed to help) but did not.She still pees in her sleep
and sometimes just sitting there. She has been checked for bladder
infections,crystals,growths etc.Dr. Jen aid she has ran all the tests that
she could. :(  I am SO frustrated.This morning I was startled awake with pee
trickling through my legs.She must have fell asleep on me.I have pads on the
bed that she usually lays on,but my feet must have been in the way and she
likes to lay on me.She acts fine otherwise,just does not have control of her
bladder. :( Any thoughts on this? I am trying to get hold of a doctor at the
Cat clinic here that I am going to ask,but I really cant afford to bring her
there. I
 spent thousands thee on my Maizee a few years back.Thanks in advance.
Sherry


  
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Re: [Felvtalk] I think my girl kitty is pregnant...will the kittens be FeLV+??

[Chris]

I volunteer with a Louisiana shelter (am a remote volunteer) and spend time
there when I go down--It kills the staff to have to euthanize and they do
anything they can to find situations for the tons of cats they get  A
shelter is a terrible environment for any cat--the noise, the confusion, the
lack of space---and it kills me when people bring Fluffy's kittens in
cause they just can't keep them...  

Christiane Biagi
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marylyn
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 9:55 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] I think my girl kitty is pregnant...will the kittens
be FeLV+??

It is so hard to deal with these things.  Thank God they have people  
like you to care about them during their last while on earth.  It is  
so much better to die in loving hands than in a cold cage.  I don't  
know if they still use gas to kill in shelters  or not but that was  
gruesome.  Even the injections in the hands of the uncaring or  
unskilled are awful.  Again, bless you for being there.
On Aug 13, 2008, at 7:55 AM, Laurieskatz wrote:

 Alice, we did euthanize. It was excruciating because they had  
 survived a
 year ~ though small they were healthy. They went downhill quickly as  
 cats
 often do, esp FeLV+ cats. By the slowly die off, I meant first one  
 died and
 then another and then the mama. Last night we had to make a decision  
 to have
 a kitten euthanized shortly after she was rescued from the flood area
 because she was so sick, so small and had injuries that would have  
 meant
 drilling into her bones and several surgeries to repair. We got  
 opinions
 from 3 vets and they all made the same recommendation.
 :L

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alice hanson
 Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 4:57 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] I think my girl kitty is pregnant...will the  
 kittens
 be FeLV+??

 Laurie, if the kittens were in so much pain, why didn't you end  
 their pain
 sooner? I told my little kitties right from the start, if they got  
 to a
 point where they were miserable, I would help them over the rainbow  
 bridge,
 no matter how heartbreaking it would be for me. I can't let them
 suffer!!Alice ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date:  
 Tue,
 12 Aug 2008 20:54:55 -0500 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] I think my girl  
 kitty is
 pregnant...will the kittens be FeLV+??  We rescued one mom with 4  
 kittens.
 All were FeLV+. It was heartbreaking watching them slowly die off.  
 The mom
 and 2 kittens died early on but two kittens lived to age 1 and then  
 died
 excruciating deaths. It was costly and we couldn't find homes. Hard  
 enough
 to find homes for healthy ones. My decision would be to spay/abort.  
 I put
 the mommy's first since they already have life.  L  -Original
 Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Laura B  
 Sent:
 Tuesday, August 12, 2008 8:07 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  
 Subject:
 Re: [Felvtalk] I think my girl kitty is pregnant...will the kittens  
 be
 FeLV+??  Since you are her guardian, obviously it's your choice as  
 to what
 to do, but I know for me, I try to do what is best for the cat, and  
 not
 make a decsion based on how it makes me feel.  But again, it's your  
 decsion
 and we can only give advice.   Please tell me that you have  
 separated Ash
 and Isobel?  On the chance that she isn't pregnant you really need to
 separate them until one of them is fixed. Also, if you do  
 plan on
 letting her have the kittens if she is pregnant, I would start  
 saving some
 money now, because you will need to get her kittens S/N before  
 putting them
 out for adoption, also incase she has a difficult delivery and needs
 emergency care.  The rescue that I work with (I foster kittens when  
 we come
 across them TNR'ing) does not adopt out intact kittens. Which  
 unfortunatly
 is the only way to ensure that a cat will be S/N' d these days.
 We're
 going to keep all paws crossed that Isobel is not pregnant, there  
 is still
 that chance.   Laura  --- On Tue, 8/12/08, Jennifer
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  From: Jennifer
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] I think my girl  
 kitty
 is pregnant...will the kittens be FeLV+?? To:
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 
 Date: Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 7:34 PM  I know it makes sense to  
 spay
 abort, but I don't really know.  I don't believe in abortion...and  
 it would
 be a really tough thing for me to do.  I really want to try and  
 find them
 homes.  I just can't imagine killing life...I know it sounds horrible
 especially with the overpopulation.   Jennifer - PROUD VEGETARIAN  
  LOCAL
 SPCA VOLUNTEER.  Be their voice.  ~ loving mama to ~
 Morrison (born Oct. 10, 2000)   Isobel aka Fat Girl 

Re: [Felvtalk] my Cole, help!

[Chris]

A couple of times, my Tucson sort of started turning her nose up at food.
Both times, vet found she had very LOW white blood count.  He did a series
of immune-regulin shots and she bounced back pretty quickly.  

In the meantime, I'd try giving Cole anything he might eat--people food like
cold cuts, yogurt, chicken, tuna fish, etc. A few days of not the most
nutritious food won't hurt in the long run.  You can also try baby food
(without onion in it).

Thinking good thought for Cole!

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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] my Cole, help!


Kim, I am sorry you are going through this with your dear Cole...only you
and your vet will know when it is time to let him go...I just lost my very
first rescued babyhe was only 7...not nearly old enough to go!  Warm,
loving thoughts for you both. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 08:45:54 -0500 Subject:
[Felvtalk] my Cole, help!   I am afraid I am on the verge of losing my
loved and adored kitty, Cole. I have had him for 6 1/2 years and we have had
our ups and downs with some illnesses but nothing a little TLC and medicine
couldn't handle. I got Cole when he was 5 months old from the Humane Society
and about a week after adopting him I found out he was feline leukemia
positive. The Humane Society said they would take him back and give me a
new kitty. By that point my heart was completely in love with him and
there was no turning back, I had to meet this challenge with strength and do
all I had to take care of him. Up until this point I knew that he would make
it through all of the colds, pneumonia's, gastro-intestinal issues, but now
I am not sure anymore. He is not acting like he would normally when he is
sick..no sneezing, coughing, breathing difficulties, or diarrhea. He just
lays around all the time, doesnt seem to be eating much or drinking much.
Wet food doesnt even make him happy! I have noticed that he is losing weight
as well. I have an appointment with the vet today to get him checked out but
I am scared that this will just be the beginning of the end. I am unsure of
how far to let him go. I don't know if I should keep treating everything or
if I should give up? The last thing I would ever want to do is prolong his
life and make him suffer more just so I could have more time with him. Does
anyone have any words of advice? I am new to this posting and I am afraid of
losing one of the most important things in my life and I am not sure how to
even go about dealing with any of it! Kim
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Re: [Felvtalk] I think my girl kitty is pregnant...will the kittens be FeLV+??

[Chris]

I realize it’s a very personal decision and a very hard one to make.  But I
volunteer with a couple of shelters and I post pictures of the kittens they
get and its just as hard to have to take them off the picture site because
they didn't make it!  You can't just try to find them homes--you have to
be willing to keep them if you can't.  And if they are born FELV+, you will
likely not be able to place any of them.  And you will need to be prepared
to meet all their vet and feeding and supplement needs.  The other
consideration is the mom--FELV, maybe not too old--you're talking a very
high risk pregnancy here. 

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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] I think my girl kitty is pregnant...will the kittens
be FeLV+??

I know it makes sense to spay abort, but I don't really know.  I don't
believe in abortion...and it would be a really tough thing for me to do.  I
really want to try and find them homes.  I just can't imagine killing
life...I know it sounds horrible especially with the overpopulation.

 Jennifer - PROUD VEGETARIAN  LOCAL SPCA VOLUNTEER.  Be their voice. 
        ~ loving mama to ~
            Morrison (born Oct. 10, 2000)
            Isobel aka Fat Girl (born Feb. 7, 2007)
            Ash (born July 11, 2007, diagnosed FeLV+ July 28, 2008)



--- On Tue, 8/12/08, Laura B [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Laura B [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] I think my girl kitty is pregnant...will the kittens
be FeLV+??
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 8:13 PM

Hi Jennifer,
 
Even if FeLV were not a factor in this possible pregnancy I would suggest a
spay-abort. The kitten season has been particulary bad this summer in Jersey
(and probably elsewhere) so if you can't keep them they would have a VERY
bleak future.  I live in central Jersey and if you're not too far from Toms
River (don't know how far south you are) you can take her to a clinic there
that does low cost S/N.  We take all the ferals we can TNR there, and they
have
no problem doing spay-aborts.  
 
You actually have to go through ABC (Animal Birth Control) which is a group
based in Bayville (I believe) NJ, they will give you a voucher or number
that
will entitle you to a low cost S/N.  If you would like I can get the
information for you, my neighbor has it since she does TNR daily this time
of
year.  I help out financially when I can since I work during the day (she
doesn't work, cept for sterilizing cat colonies for people).
 
Laura

--- On Mon, 8/11/08, Jennifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

From: Jennifer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Felvtalk] I think my girl kitty is pregnant...will the kittens be
FeLV+??
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 8:47 PM

and the only possible father is my FeLV+ kitty, Ash.  Isobel is showing
signs
of pregnancy (hard and protruding tummy as well as pointy nipples).  She's
going this Thursday to get tested for FeLV.  My question is, if she tests
negative (which my guess is she won't being that her and Ash mated), will
the kittens be FeLV+ because their father is FeLV+?  Also, if Isobel is
pregnant and she is FeLV+, does that automatically mean the kittens will be
too?  I feel so horrible about not getting her fixed sooner, but my money is
tight and I have to save up just to take them to the vet.  If she is
pregnant,
I can't keep the kittens as we already have three and my boyfriend is
allergic and says no way to any more cats in the house, which I understand. 
If
I take them to a shelter and they're positive, won't they put them to
sleep right away?  I don't want that to happen.  I live in Southern New
Jersey...anyone want more kittens??  When I take her to the
 vet this week, I'll have them confirm her pregnancy.

 Jennifer - PROUD VEGETARIAN  LOCAL SPCA VOLUNTEER.  Be their voice. 
        ~ loving mama to ~
            Morrison (born Oct. 10, 2000)
            Isobel aka Fat Girl (born Feb. 7, 2007)
            Ash (born July 11, 2007, diagnosed FeLV+ July 28, 2008)




  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Furry Laura update ?'s

[Chris]

My Tucson is a big cat but still a bit on the heavy side but you know, if
she doesn't feel well, she instantly stops eating... Not only does it give
me a signal something's wrong but that extra weight gives us a bit of time
to figure out what's going on.  Of course, she's a bit of a fusspot and
what's going on could be she has an upset tummy, has hairballs, is annoyed
at something or other--But she's had a couple of episodes where her white
blood count really went down low  and she wouldn't eat much of anything for
a few days; again having that extra weight helped get her through it.  

Christiane Biagi
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Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 8:54 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Felvtalk] Furry Laura update  ?'s

Hi All,
 
I've been reading through this list, lots of great information!  Been trying
to chime in but having trouble keeping up with the fast pace lately, you are
all very chatty :)  Anyway, Laura, my FeLV + kitty is doing wonderfully. 
She had several days of loose stool, a few weeks back and I think it was
from the vetri-science treats that I was giving her, they had lysine (she
has herpes) and DMG in them.  Once I stopped them, she firmed back up
again.  
 
She's gained quite a bit of weight, my neighbor/pet sitter (who visits Laura
daily) thinks it might be a bit too much.  But honestly I think having a
little bit of extra insulalation is good for her, gives her more of a
buffer if she should become sick.  What do you all think?  She's not fat,
but she is very solid and borderline a little chunky.  She looks great, all
of her fur has grown back (she had alot of bald patches when I got her) and
her coat is shiny and dense.
 
She eats a full can and 1/2 of wellness per day (5.5 oz can) plus I free
feed dry wellness for her.  Since I currently have a very sick 14 year old,
who won't eat, I'm just thrilled that Laura's appetite is so healthy, maybe
it's too much, but again, I think she needs a little extra meat on her on
bones.
 
Thanks in advance for any comments, 
 
Laura 
 


  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Introducing Daisy's Babies

[Chris]

My Tucson wasn't diagnosed until she was 4 -5 years old.  She'd been around
my other 3 all their lives and nobody ever tested positive.  They eat
together, groom each other, use the same litter boxes, and have had those
occasional scuffles that drew blood.  To be honest, I'm more careful about
exposing her and Romeo, my other FELV+, to the neg cats when they're sick.
I think the pos ones are the ones at greater risk.  I did vaccinate my negs
when I found out Tucson was pos, don't do it every year though.  And my vet
is another one who always likes to double check their neg status whenever
one gets sick with something a little different.  No one has ever shown up
positive.  

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sharyl
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:07 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Introducing Daisy's Babies

 


Thanks Tonya.  That is reassuring to hear.  Sissy and Rocket so want out of
the bedroom.  

Sharyl

--- On Mon, 7/21/08, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Introducing Daisy's Babies
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Monday, July 21, 2008, 1:06 AM

Sharyl,

 

I have vaccinated my negatives.  Yearly at first, and now every 3 years.  I
do not separate.  Mine have been mixed going on about 15 years now and I've
never had transmission.  All my sick cats always get retested by my doubting
vet, and they are always negative!

t

Sharyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


MC, I read the Merck info when Sissy and Rocket, now 9 mo. old, 1st tested
positive.What concerns me is the last statement

Uninfected cats in a household with infected cats should be vaccinated;
however, other means of protecting uninfected cats (eg, physical separation)
should also be used. Constant exposure to FeLV-infected cats is likely to
result in viral transmission regardless of vaccination status.

 

My Pequita, going on 16, was dx with CRF 2 1/2 yrs ago.  Since then the only
vaccine she has gotten is rabies.   I'm taking Stormie, a 10 mo. old
negative rescue, in for her FeLV booster shot Monday.   I'll talk to the vet
then about a booster for Pequita.  

 

Rocket is thriving and is asymptomatic.  Sissy has had enlarged lymph nodes
since her rescue in Feb.The swelling has gone down since she was spayed
and I had her baby molars removed.  My concern for Pequita and Stormie
needing her follow up booster are the main reasons they are quarantined in
the bedroom.  Tiki, my healthy 4 yr old, is current on her FeLV boosters. 

 

The babes are quarantined in a dog crate in my garage at night and an
outside cat enclosure during the day.  I was concerned about them stressing
Sissy and Rocket.  I had the babies in their bathroom the 1st night and it
seemed to upset them.  Right now I have 9 cats on 5 different diets.
Starting to wear me out but you do what you have to.

 

It appears mine got FeLV by nursing from an infected Mother since Stormie
from the same colony tested negative.   

 

To be honest I can not afford to test the cats I will be TNRing.  I can make
sure they don't have any more kittens thereby preventing infected kittens.
And I can make sure they eat well.  I will not PTS a cat who appears to be
healthy.  It took 3 visits to the vet with Sissy and Rocket before they
believed me that these girls were not going to be PTS and they might as well
start folders for them. 

Thanks again for the info. 

Sharyl

   

--- On Sun, 7/20/08, MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

From: MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Introducing Daisy's Babies
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Sunday, July 20, 2008, 5:53 PM

unfortunately, not enough vets know as much as they really ought to. many,
many times i wish that i knew MORE, because i am NOT a vet, i am NOT a
virologist, and just do my best to make the things i've found clearer to
others--and hope that those who know more than i do, will do likewise!

i think that EVERYONE who has a FeLV, and who knows one, or who ever has
loved one, needs to play out copies of--of have the url to tattooed where
they can show it everyone--the most recent merck manual, where they've got
the most up-to-date figures about how many cats do NOT remain viremic after
exposure. shelters, rescues, vets, people who claim to follow alley cat
allies' policy yet in practice test all cats and then KILL felvs (yet brag
about the FeLVs they have at home): there are no excuses for ignorance, and
now that the anecdotal info that the brave people who came before us is
reaching the mainstream, ignorance about FeLV is a CHOICE when made by
professionals, veterinary or rescue. 

here's that link again, and while i DO get tired of posting it, oh, well, if
i don't (and you don't, and you don't, and you, there, over in the corner
snuggling with your cute little FeLV baby, don't), no one else will.)
The 

Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem -pilling shaft

[Chris]

My Tucson is on daily meds and  For Tuscon, we go through phases-she does
OK w. Pill Pockets for a while, then we go to making a little ball with her
favorite soft treat, then we might try the pill in a little ball of cheese
or ham, and then we resort to holding and popping pill in her mouth.  No one
thing works all the time but my saving grace is that this 18 lb porko LOVES
to eat!

 

Occasionally, I have to give meds to my Romeo who I CANNOT hold to pop a
pill in--it gets real tricky when he periodically needs antibiotics for
teeth/gum problems.  He won't go near Pill Pockets.  I tried compounding
meds in liquid form and he looked at me like was insane.  BUT, being the old
street cat that he is, he loves certain people foods-any cold cuts, fish,
and chicken.  I break up a pill into as many little pieces as I can and can
usually hide a little piece of a pill in treat sized 'ball' of one of those
foods.  Then he comes running cause its not food he usually gets and he
loves that so much more than the treats!  Of course, I have to watch cause
Tucson (who hates him  makes his life a misery), has n problem sliding
over next to him and stealing the new 'treat'!  

 

Bottom line, if you can think of some food he absolutely goes nuts for,
break up the pill and make little 'treats' (and keep your fingers crossed!)

 

Christiane Biagi

914-632-4672

Cell:  914-720-6888

[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catatonya
Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 10:25 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem -pilling shaft

 

I really don't know if he's eating the canned food or the dry because he
won't come in the room when I feed them anymore because that's where I
started pilling him.   When he stopped coming in the room to be fed I
started pilling him when he came to bed.  Now he doesn't come to bed with me
anymore.  Then I started pilling him on his cat tree. Now he just stays
hidden and I have to search him out to pill him.

 

The past month has been hectic.  I was gone for a week on vacation before I
took him in to the vet.  Then we started his med.s. then my 4 year old
nephew came and stayed a week.  (the cats are afraid of him.)  then my
mother got sick and i've been having to stay with her some and been in and
out a lot.  i've also had workers at my house.  and i'm also trying to give
bob and sneaker  fluids which scares the other cats..  So it's just been one
thing after the other.

 

Shaft is usually very easy going, but he does not like these pills and will
not take them in food or pill pockets.  Those were my first tries.

 

tonya

gary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

What is he eating?

 

Gary

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From: catatonya mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 3:03 PM

Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem

 

He won't come to me to eat canned food anymore. :(

t

gary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I've never had a problem with any cat by crushing amoxi tablets in food. Had
one cat on tapazole crushed in food with no problem.  I doubt it would work
with the aspirin, pretty bitter stuff.

 

Gary

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From: catatonya mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 12:31 PM

Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem

 

thanks. i had him going on the pill pockets until i added the amoxy and the
baby aspirin. it was just too much and he started hiding from me. :(

t 

 

thank you for the link.  I went through this with another cat about 4 years
ago (hyper-t) but she didn't hide from me.

t

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Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem -pilling shaft

[Chris]

I feel for you it ain't easy...  If Shaft was a 'street' cat, think like
he does-what would he tear through garbage bags in a dumpster for.  If I
push my Romeo too hard, he'll take off under some piece of furniture and
just stay there until he figures I've come to my senses!.  I've also used
liverwurst-makes a good little ball', has strong smell, etc.  Good for my
Tucson but NOT for Romeo.  For him, its Ham, Chicken, or Fish.  

You can buy one or two slices of various things to figure out what he'll go
crazy for.  My Misty, for example, LOVES gorgonzola or blue cheese-go
figure.  My LittleBoy loves Yogurt-will come running when he hears me open
the container.  And Bumper, well, she's a real piece of work and its always
a guess with herOne fringe benefit is that it gives me something I can
use in a pinch if I have to get any of the out from something they're hiding
under real quick.  I also give him these 'people' treats without pills
hidden in them just so that he stays used to getting them and won't balk
when I have to stash a piece of pill in it.

 

Christiane Biagi

914-632-4672

Cell:  914-720-6888

[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catatonya
Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 12:33 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem -pilling shaft

 

I guess I will have to work on the treats.  I am vegetarian and have never
really given the cats treats, so they don't really know what they are.  Bob
thinks a pill pocket is a treat.  That's about it.  I'll have to break down
and buy some deli turkey, ham or something else I guess and give it a try.
Shaft was a 'street' cat.  Bob was born and has always lived with me.  He
has never had 'people' food

t

Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

My Tucson is on daily meds and  For Tuscon, we go through phases-she does
OK w. Pill Pockets for a while, then we go to making a little ball with her
favorite soft treat, then we might try the pill in a little ball of cheese
or ham, and then we resort to holding and popping pill in her mouth.  No one
thing works all the time but my saving grace is that this 18 lb porko LOVES
to eat!

 

Occasionally, I have to give meds to my Romeo who I CANNOT hold to pop a
pill in--it gets real tricky when he periodically needs antibiotics for
teeth/gum problems.  He won't go near Pill Pockets.  I tried compounding
meds in liquid form and he looked at me like was insane.  BUT, being the old
street cat that he is, he loves certain people foods-any cold cuts, fish,
and chicken.  I break up a pill into as many little pieces as I can and can
usually hide a little piece of a pill in treat sized 'ball' of one of those
foods.  Then he comes running cause its not food he usually gets and he
loves that so much more than the treats!  Of course, I have to watch cause
Tucson (who hates him  makes his life a misery), has n problem sliding
over next to him and stealing the new 'treat'!  

 

Bottom line, if you can think of some food he absolutely goes nuts for,
break up the pill and make little 'treats' (and keep your fingers crossed!)

 

Christiane Biagi

914-632-4672

Cell:  914-720-6888

[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catatonya
Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 10:25 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem -pilling shaft

 

I really don't know if he's eating the canned food or the dry because he
won't come in the room when I feed them anymore because that's where I
started pilling him.   When he stopped coming in the room to be fed I
started pilling him when he came to bed.  Now he doesn't come to bed with me
anymore.  Then I started pilling him on his cat tree. Now he just stays
hidden and I have to search him out to pill him.

 

The past month has been hectic.  I was gone for a week on vacation before I
took him in to the vet.  Then we started his med.s. then my 4 year old
nephew came and stayed a week.  (the cats are afraid of him.)  then my
mother got sick and i've been having to stay with her some and been in and
out a lot.  i've also had workers at my house.  and i'm also trying to give
bob and sneaker  fluids which scares the other cats..  So it's just been one
thing after the other.

 

Shaft is usually very easy going, but he does not like these pills and will
not take them in food or pill pockets.  Those were my first tries.

 

tonya

gary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

What is he eating?

 

Gary

- Original Message - 

From: catatonya mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 3:03 PM

Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem

 

He won't come to me to eat canned food anymore. :(

t

gary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I've never had a problem with any cat by crushing amoxi tablets in food. Had
one cat on tapazole crushed in food with no problem.  I doubt it would work
with the aspirin, pretty bitter stuff.

 

Gary

Re: [Felvtalk] Admin: New website design

[Chris]

GREAT job!  Looks really good!

Christiane Biagi
914-632-4672
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James G Wilson
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:13 PM
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Admin: New website design

Hey all,

I've finally gotten around to updating our FeLV website 
(with Belinda's help). You can check it out at: 
http://www.felineleukemia.org  
I hope that it is easier to read and loads a bit faster. If 
anyone wishes to help update the content of the site, 
please let me and/or Belinda know privately. Reluctantly, 
I've added a donations page to the site to help offset my 
out-of-pocket costs for maintaining the site. Best wishes.

James G. Wilson - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.felineleukemia.org (FeLV Research  Support)
http://www.myspace.com/wilsonjamesg (My Space Page)

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OT: Anyone near Durham, NC

[Chris]

Sorry if this is too OT but I'm desperate!  We are desperately looking for
Houdini, a rescued gsd mix who got lost on Wed. 6/4/08.  Below is her
posting-if anyone has any suggestions on who we might contact to help look
for her-she bolted in an area full of woods and may be hiding in there...
This little one has been through so much and now I know she's just
hiding, so scared...

 

Houdini is a spayed German Shepherd Mix with dark fur and tan highlights.
She was rescued from a bad situation and may be afraid of people.  She is
very gentle but very shy.  She may have a harness on and a trailing lead.
She bolted when she got scared by a truck backfire.

 

Lost between Old Farm  Summer Meadow, Durham 27704 on Wednesday afternoon,
June 4,2008.

 

PLEASE keep an eye out for her.  Wonderful people from all over the country
helped save Houdini and Morgan (her very best doggy friend).  She just
finished her heartworm treatment and has an adoptive home waiting for her.
She does not know the area and may have trouble finding her way home.
Houdini is microchipped.

 

If you even think you see her, call Julius Bartell 919-698-8299 or 620-9898
immediately or e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] .  If she is hurt, you can
bring her to her vet, Durham Animal Hospital, 4306 N. Roxbury Rd, Durham or
to any vet for emergency treatment.  

 


This is a video that tells Houdini's and Morgan (her best friend) story:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vlo5UAqFpk



 

 

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Cell:  914-720-6888

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RE: Neighbor's cat double pos

[Chris]

You know, there are probably thousands and thousands more undiagnosed cats
then diagnosed ones.  What matters most for these little ones, at least in
my opinion, is the overall care and love they get.  If they're safe, not
hungry, and in general good health-that's half the battle.  The rest is
great and I do give my some higher quality foods but everyone just does the
best they can.  I'm not sure frightening this disabled woman would help Jack
in the long run.  There are decent foods at the supermarket and my guess is
that these kitties also get tastes of human food as well.  Perhaps talking
to her about supplementing their kitty food with some plain chicken or beef
or even veggies when she has extra wouldn't hurt.  Listen, my family had 3
cats who lived to 23, 22, 24 and they survived on 9 Lives and human food!  

 

Explaining FELV or FIV is tricky because people think aids or leukemia.
Maybe just saying that Jack's got a virus that makes him more prone to
develop infections, etc. would be less frightening.  Do you know how old the
kitties are?

 

Christiane Biagi

914-632-4672

Cell:  914-720-6888

[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 8:55 PM
To: felvtalk
Subject: Neighbor's cat double pos

 

Hi guys,

Lately Rescuties has been expanding our services to include a limited amount
of free spay/neuter for the pets of handicapped or housebound folks in the
area.  I have a neighbor who is wheelchair bound, so we took her female cat
up to be spayed a couple of weeks ago.  Today we had their male cat, Jack,
neutered.

Sadly, Jack is double positive.  I guess we can have him tested again in 6
months, but we aren't going to be able to do the IFA and certainly no
aggressive treatment if he gets sick.  We just don't have the funds.  I wish
we had enough money to help every kitty in Austin, but our primary focus is
adoption, and this kitty already has a home.  

I have no clue what to do here, or how to advise this woman.  She is
wheelchair bound and the food she feeds the animals comes from the grocery
store, which she rides to on her wheelchair.  The family does not own a car
and I am assuming whatever money they get comes from disability (I didn't
ask, I don't like to pry and my primary focus is the cats) but premium
foods, supplements and the things we usually advise are probably out of the
question.

I didn't want to distress or scare her too much - does anyone have any links
to non scary FELV info for the lay person?  These are nice kind animal
loving people, but not highly educated in cat diseases.  I don't know if
they have internet or not.  There is another cat in the home we will be
having tested tomorrow (which really is getting outside of our scope again,
but what can you do?).

Any advice is appreciated.

Kelley

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Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!

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Check out our Memsaic!
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Please help with some of our kitties medical needs!

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Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first
as long as you leave me alone. 

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