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*From: *"Ken Hohhof"
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Monday, November 28, 2016 11:40:21
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
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- Original Message -
From: "Ken Hohhof"
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 11:40:21 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Apple abandoning development of wireless routers
something more than just RFC1918 address to detect they are
behind another NAT router. Not sure about that.
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 11:28 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Apple abandoning development of wireless
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<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
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*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Monday, November 28, 2016 10:32:09 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Apple abandoning developmen
t;
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Monday, November 28, 2016 11:16:29 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Apple abandoning development of wireless
routers
A confluence of bugs perhaps. We usually run our SMs in NAT mode. When
the airport discovers that it's getting NATted, it would default to
bridg
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- Original Message -
From: "Bill Prince"
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 11:16:29 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Apple abandoning development of wireless routers
A confluence of bugs perhaps. We usually run our SMs in NAT mode. When th
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*From: *"Bill Prince"
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Mon
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Apple abandoning development of wireless routers
Good riddance!!! I hate those things...
The switching to bridge thing is still a nuisance sometimes, but I it's usually
preferred anyway. The biggest problem with them is the UI, things that should
be simple, like cha
>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
> *From: *"Bill Prince"
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, November 28, 2016 10:32:09 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Apple abandoning development of wire
The rest I'd say are valid complaints.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
- Original Message -
From: "Bill Prince"
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 10:32:09 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG]
t;
*From: *"Bill Prince"
*To: *"Motorola III"
*Sent: *Monday, November 28, 2016 10:07:21 AM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] OT: Apple abandoning development of wireless routers
Finally! There routers have caused more than
;
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*From: *"Bill Prince"
*To: *"Mot
They also are "leaky" as in ntop would get more info out of a customer
running an apple router than any other...
On 11/28/16 8:16 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
wow...lots of you guys get religion all of sudden? Joyous and Holy
tis the season I guess
Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915
wow...lots of you guys get religion all of sudden? Joyous and Holy tis
the season I guess
Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390
On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 9:14 AM, Josh Luthman
wrote:
> HOLY MOLY!!! Yay!
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100
HOLY MOLY!!! Yay!
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 11:10 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> JOYOUS DAY
>
> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 10:07 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>
>> Finally!
and the crowd roared! Yay!
Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390
On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 9:10 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> JOYOUS DAY
>
> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 10:07 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>
>> Finally! There routers have caused more tha
ll Prince"
To: "Motorola III"
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 10:07:21 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Apple abandoning development of wireless routers
Finally! There routers have caused more than their fair share of support
calls. I say good riddance.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/art
Finally! There routers have caused more than their fair share of support
calls. I say good riddance.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-11-21/apple-said-to-abandon-development-of-wireless-routers-ivs0ssec
--
bp
JOYOUS DAY
On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 10:07 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
> Finally! There routers have caused more than their fair share of support
> calls. I say good riddance.
>
> https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-11-21/apple-
> said-to-abandon-development-of-wireless-routers-ivs0ssec
>
ibute to a 401K with 100% company
> match.
>
>
> From: Adam Moffett
> Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2016 11:50 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple
>
> Yeah it's a real psychological phenomenon. We (humans) are terrible at
> intuitive risk a
bottom line, and journalists know who
signs their paychecks.
From: CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2016 12:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple
and then you have a House of Cards... :)
- Original Message -
From: Brian Webster
To: af@afmug.com
Sent
Terrible at reward assessment also.
We buy lottery tickets, but won’t contribute to a 401K with 100% company match.
From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2016 11:50 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple
Yeah it's a real psychological phenomenon. We (humans
and then you have a House of Cards... :)
- Original Message -
From: Brian Webster
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple
Ok I will bite to keep the thread moving.
Ponder this thought:
Executive branch has
@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple
Yeah it's a real psychological phenomenon. We (humans) are terrible at
intuitive risk assessment.
We're worried about terrorist attacks, but not worried about our cholesterol
and driving habits which are both more dangerous.
I don't s
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com <http://www.wirelessmapping.com>
www.Broadband-Mapping.com <http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com>
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
]
*On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
Always..
On Feb 20, 2016 10:14 AM, "Chuck McCown" wrote:
> Wear your seat belt. My wife is still with me due to a seat belt.
>
> *From:* Sean Heskett
> *Sent:* Saturday, February 20, 2016 10:12 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple
>
: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple
Wear your seat belt. My wife is still with me due to a seat belt.
From: Sean Heskett
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2016 10:12 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple
Too bad we don't give as much attention, publicity, and funding to pr
Wear your seat belt. My wife is still with me due to a seat belt.
From: Sean Heskett
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2016 10:12 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple
Too bad we don't give as much attention, publicity, and funding to prevent ways
that people actually die.
they have the protection of
>>> the Supreme Court and the balance of powers.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Then you think, but what if the executive branch does this to the judges
>>> too………
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This level of power is s
.wirelessmapping.com>
www.Broadband-Mapping.com <http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com>
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Friday, February 19, 2016 9:03 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <
February 19, 2016 5:46 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple
The better question is the NSA so inept that their job that they
can’t break into the phone themselves? Or do they just not want the
world to know they can?
Daniel White
afmu...@gma
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple
>> The fudge packers at medicare use your SSN for the account number you are
>> required to write on the check.
>>
>> They have no clue.
>>
>> bp
>>
>
ldings next to my final grades.
>
> Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>> When I was in college, my student ID was my SSN. Same for everyone.
>> *From:* Bill Prince <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 19, 2016 6:13 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com <mail
ary 19, 2016 6:13 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple
The fudge packers at medicare use your SSN for the account number you
are required to write on the check.
They have no clue.
bp
On 2/19/2016 5:05 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
The last time I trusted
s can my
> bank.� A disgruntled employee is all it would take.� The bank and the
> IRS are more trustworthy than the NSA?
> �
> I don�t have any family pictures that I would be worried if they got
> published.�� I am just not catching this paranoid cynicism that seems
>
M
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple
What if this path continues, and in the future the police officer that
just pulled you over for speeding, suspects you might be up to
something else... so he then takes your phone, unlocks it from his
car, downloads everyt
;
*Sent:* Friday, February 19, 2016 5:46 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple
The better question is the NSA so inept that their job that they
can’t break into the phone themselves? Or do they just not want the
world to know they can?
Daniel Wh
have the protection of
>>> the Supreme Court and the balance of powers.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Then you think, but what if the executive branch does this to the judges
>>> too………
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This level of power is
n you think, but what if the executive branch does this to the judges
>> too………
>>
>>
>>
>> This level of power is something that once discovered would never be
>> given up, it’s just too handy and powerful, no matter which party the
>> executive may be from.
opportunity to let it expire yet they chose to renew
the law……
Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com
www.Broadband-Mapping.com
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Macenski
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 9:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple
Brian Webster
>
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>
> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Friday, February 19, 2016 9:03 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple
>
>
>
&
is something that once discovered would never be given
> up, it’s just too handy and powerful, no matter which party the executive
> may be from.
>
>
>
> Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
>
>
>
> Thank You,
>
> Brian Webster
>
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>
> www.Broad
executive may be
from.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com
www.Broadband-Mapping.com
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 9:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple
ver my car and many other places.
>>
>> Why is it such an issue if it is digital data, but the raw data is not
>> protected?
>>
>> *From:* Josh Reynolds
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 19, 2016 6:05 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT
all you
> guys
>
> *From:* Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Friday, February 19, 2016 4:13 PM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple
> Right, this isn't like they're asking for a backdoor so they can access
> any iPhone remotely at any time... they have to physic
urt order I think they
>> ought to be able to dig into anything they can find. Got something to
>> hide... then physically hide it better.
>>
>>
> *From:* Sam Lambie
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 19, 2016 3:52 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
> *Subject:* R
o dig into anything they can find. Got something to
> hide... then physically hide it better.
>
>
> *From:* Sam Lambie
> *Sent:* Friday, February 19, 2016 3:52 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple
>
> Screw the govt. Apple is doing entirely doing the ri
Yeah, I was being a troll when I started the thread. I knew it would get some
traction. Tushar was right, I was bored.
From: Jaime Solorza
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 7:01 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple
Hire a high school get to open phone. Geezh
On Feb 19, 2016 3
Hire a high school get to open phone. Geezh
On Feb 19, 2016 3:45 PM, wrote:
> Treason?
>
<https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
> *From: *"Forrest Chri
*From:* Travis Johnson
> *Sent:* Friday, February 19, 2016 5:15 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple
>
> I don't think that's the case do you really see the FBI turning the
> phone over to Apple? What happens if Apple comes back a week later and s
: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple
I think the underlying issue here is this:
It used to be that all of this data was kept locked up (or at least behind
closed doors) in a house, or a place of business, or wherever. If one wanted
the data, the government had to go get a search warrant, enter one's
nd many other places.
>
> Why is it such an issue if it is digital data, but the raw data is not
> protected?
>
> *From:* Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Friday, February 19, 2016 6:05 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple
>
>
> The last time I trus
, February 19, 2016 6:15 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple
Raw data breaks down and has a higher barrier to entry. Digital data does not
break down and has a lower barrier to entry.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
;
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 7:11:39 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple
Yeah, happens, but with Target too. It’s the world we live in.
Do you trust Walmart or Amazon? This is not just a government type of thing.
Was this malicious, or directed?
It was probably an accid
When I was in college, my student ID was my SSN. Same for everyone.
From: Bill Prince
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 6:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple
The fudge packers at medicare use your SSN for the account number you are
required to write on the check.
They have
No actually the government is asking them to build a special version of iOS
that disables the 10 wrong passcode entries that would normally lock the
phone permanently.
The FBI wants to use their computer and software to try to break the 4
digit lock code. But if they try more than 10 times then t
* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple
What if this path continues, and in the future the police officer
that just pulled you over for speeding, suspects you might be up
to something else... so he then takes your phone, unlocks it from
his car, downloads ev
have a
negative impact on me?
I could argue that it has a positive benefit to the nation.�
�
From: Travis Johnson
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 5:15 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple
�
I don't think that's the case do you really see the FBI turni
: [AFMUG] OT Apple
The last time I trusted the federal government with something very important,
they let my blood type, fingerprint, DNA, social security number, names numbers
and addresses of relatives and friends, my wife's SSN, and all three of my
kid's SSNs data get collected by a t
: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple
What is wrong with the FBI having this ability? How does that have a negative
impact on me?
I could argue that it has a positive benefit to the nation.
From: Travis Johnson
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 5:15 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple
I
when I get my flash probed...
>
> bp
>
>
>
> On 2/19/2016 4:10 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> Pretty sure they could probe the flash if they had to.
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Friday, February 19, 2016 5:06 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [A
Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
- Original Message -
From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)"
To: "af"
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 5:40:51 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple
The technically-minded articles I've rea
this issue.
>
> *From:* Travis Johnson
> *Sent:* Friday, February 19, 2016 5:36 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple
>
> What if this path continues, and in the future the police officer that
> just pulled you over for speeding, suspects you might be up to somet
afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple
That's why all the back doors to Huawei equipment are secret.
Realistically, Apple shouldn't need to do anything. Let the battery
run down, and remove the storage chip(s). Give the storage chip(s) to
the NSA, and let them hack away at it. Depe
be worried if they got published.
I am just not catching this paranoid cynicism that seems to be attached to
this issue.
From: Travis Johnson
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 5:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple
What if this path continues, and in the future the police
Friday, February 19, 2016 5:46 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple
The better question is the NSA so inept that their job that they can’t
break into the phone themselves? Or do they just not want the world
to know they can?
Daniel White
afmu.
t it has a positive benefit to the nation.
*From:* Travis Johnson <mailto:t...@ida.net>
*Sent:* Friday, February 19, 2016 5:15 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple
I don't think that's the case do you really see the FBI turning
the p
automatically have free use of any new technology.
Of course I can be trusted with all new technology, just not all you
guys
*From:* Mathew Howard <mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Friday, February 19, 2016 4:13 PM
*To:* af <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple
Right
at it has a positive benefit to the nation.
>
> *From:* Travis Johnson
> *Sent:* Friday, February 19, 2016 5:15 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple
>
> I don't think that's the case do you really see the FBI turning the
> phone over to App
What is wrong with the FBI having this ability? How does that have a negative
impact on me?
I could argue that it has a positive benefit to the nation.
From: Travis Johnson
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 5:15 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple
I don't think that'
I don't think that's the case do you really see the FBI turning the
phone over to Apple? What happens if Apple comes back a week later and
says "oops, sorry... we nuked it". The FBI wants Apple to write a new
IOS version that will not erase the phone after 10 attempts at the login
code. The
... then physically hide it better.
*From:* Sam Lambie <mailto:samtaos...@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Friday, February 19, 2016 3:52 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple
Screw the govt. Apple is doing entirely doing the right thing.
On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 3
Pretty sure they could probe the flash if they had to.
From: Bill Prince
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 5:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple
That's why all the back doors to Huawei equipment are secret.
Realistically, Apple shouldn't need to do anything. Let t
I have been compelled to create interrogatory and other data many times.
From: Bruce Robertson
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 5:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple
That's my understanding as well. Further, for the iPhone 5S and later, it has
nothing to do with source
That's why all the back doors to Huawei equipment are secret.
Realistically, Apple shouldn't need to do anything. Let the battery run
down, and remove the storage chip(s). Give the storage chip(s) to the
NSA, and let them hack away at it. Depending on how important it is (or
isn't), and how mu
That's my understanding as well. Further, for the iPhone 5S and later,
it has nothing to do with source code and compilers, as the security is
apparently built directly into the hardware. (To be fair, apparently
the phone in question is a 5C, and does not have the hardware security.
That doe
bruary 19, 2016 5:18 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple
I haven't been paying close attention to this but I thought I saw one TV
report that said earlier versions of iOS could simply be unlocked. Supposedly
Apple has unlocked previous unencrypted phones. That all changed with iOS
, and then the govt would set up a robot to just try all the 4 digit PINs.
From: Daniel White
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 5:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple
The better question is the NSA so inept that their job that they can’t break
into the phone themselves? Or do they
Interesting reading. And a very real dilemma.
I'm still reading everyones comments.
- Original Message -
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple
But it has been done thousands of times. FBI an
<http://www.linkedin.com/in/danielwhite84> LinkedIn:
<https://twitter.com/DanielWhite84> Twitter
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 4:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple
Every decent code writer at Apple that
The technically-minded articles I've read pretty much agree with this, and
then some.
The FBI wants them to develop a *special release* of iOS which will allow
the government to bypass the security on a phone. This isn't a 'here
apple, get us the data off of the phone' thing. This is a 'you are
: [AFMUG] OT Apple
My understanding--and Apple's representation--is that no one at Apple actually
has the tools to do this. If they develop that ability in house then a human or
humans then have those tools. This is then a de facto compromise of the
security, humans being notoriously susceptib
My understanding--and Apple's representation--is that no one at Apple actually
has the tools to do this. If they develop that ability in house then a human or
humans then have those tools. This is then a de facto compromise of the
security, humans being notoriously susceptible to corruption. Wha
guys
From: Mathew Howard
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 4:13 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple
Right, this isn't like they're asking for a backdoor so they can access any
iPhone remotely at any time... they have to physically have the device for it
to be of any use
I haven't been paying close attention to this but I thought I saw one TV report
that said earlier versions of iOS could simply be unlocked. Supposedly Apple
has unlocked previous unencrypted phones. That all changed with iOS 9 though
because of encryption and that there is no simple unlock any
riday, February 19, 2016 4:08 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple
>
> Problem is that once you do it. It's done and they can do it again, and
> again. If you think it will only ever get used on this ONE phone then you
> are delusional.
>
> --
> Christopher
Friday, February 19, 2016 3:52 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple
Screw the govt. Apple is doing entirely doing the right thing.
On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 3:47 PM, Nate Burke mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote:
My Boss
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> needing strong encryption other than to keep folks out of my network and
> bank account.
>
> -Original Message- From: Christopher Tyler
> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 4:08 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple
>
> Problem is that once you
4:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple
Problem is that once you do it. It's done and they can do it again, and
again. If you think it will only ever get used on this ONE phone then you
are delusional.
--
Christopher Tyler
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
Total Highspeed Int
to do it? No.
On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 5:07 PM, wrote:
> If Jihadi John had shot up Apple HQ, I don’t think we would be having this
> discussion.
>
> *From:* George Skorup
> *Sent:* Friday, February 19, 2016 4:05 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple
>
? (Of
> course one presumes you can trust them.) With a court order I think they
> ought to be able to dig into anything they can find. Got something to
> hide... then physically hide it better.
>
>
> *From:* Sam Lambie
> *Sent:* Friday, February 19, 2016 3:52 PM
> *To:* a
Would Still have to have the physical device, and 30 seconds and a
sledgehammer help with that.
On 2/19/2016 5:08 PM, Christopher Tyler wrote:
Problem is that once you do it. It's done and they can do it again, and again.
If you think it will only ever get used on this ONE phone then you are
gt; To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 5:05:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple
>
> As I understand it, that is exactly what the gov is asking them for. FBI
> wants Apple to decrypt and send over the data. Nothing more. No
> "software on every phone" t
From: "George Skorup"
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 5:05:38 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple
As I understand it, that is exactly what the gov is asking them for. FBI
wants Apple to decrypt and send over the data. Nothing more. No
"software on every phone"
Isn't the Iphone is From China? Obama could just pickup the phone and
call President Jinping and say, "Hey, you guys built this, and our US
company isn't helping us out. How about finding a nice engineer over at
the plant to unlock it for us."
I bet they'd do it in a heartbeat.
On 2/19/2016
If Jihadi John had shot up Apple HQ, I don’t think we would be having this
discussion.
From: George Skorup
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 4:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple
As I understand it, that is exactly what the gov is asking them for. FBI wants
Apple to decrypt
As I understand it, that is exactly what the gov is asking them for. FBI
wants Apple to decrypt and send over the data. Nothing more. No
"software on every phone" to do this. Just that ONE phone. Get the data,
then incinerate the device.
On 2/19/2016 4:59 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
But they're not
If they make an exception for this government they will make it for others
and it will be "super fucking awesome" when each nation has their own
method to breach devices.
I'm sure Apple and Google (phone division) wouldn't mind packing up shop
and telling the UG Govt to get fucked so they could st
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