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something more than just RFC1918 address to detect they are behind another NAT router. Not sure about that. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 11:28 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Apple abandoning development of wireless

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- *From: *"Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com> *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Monday, November 28, 2016 11:16:29 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Apple abandoning development of wireless routers A confluence of bugs perhaps. We usually run our SMs in NAT mode. When the airport discov

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;af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Apple abandoning development of wireless routers Good riddance!!! I hate those things... The switching to bridge thing is still a nuisance sometimes, but I it's usually preferred anyway. The biggest problem with them is the UI, things that should be

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> > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------ > *From: *"Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com> > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Monday, November 28, 2016 10:32:09 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Apple abando

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st I'd say are valid complaints. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 10:32:09 AM Subj

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-- *From: *"Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com> *To: *"Motorola III" <af@afmug.com> *Sent: *Monday, November 28, 2016 10:07:21 AM *Subject: *[AFMUG] OT: Apple abandoning development of wireless routers Finally! There routers have

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<part15...@gmail.com> *To: *"Motorola III" <af@afmug.com> *Sent: *Monday, November 28, 2016 10:07:21 AM *Subject: *[AFMUG] OT: Apple abandoning development of wireless routers Finally! There routers have caused more than their fair share of support calls. I say good ridd

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They also are "leaky" as in ntop would get more info out of a customer running an apple router than any other... On 11/28/16 8:16 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote: wow...lots of you guys get religion all of sudden? Joyous and Holy tis the season I guess Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect

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wow...lots of you guys get religion all of sudden? Joyous and Holy tis the season I guess Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 9:14 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: > HOLY MOLY!!! Yay! > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340

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HOLY MOLY!!! Yay! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 11:10 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > JOYOUS DAY > > On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 10:07 AM, Bill Prince

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and the crowd roared! Yay! Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 9:10 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > JOYOUS DAY > > On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 10:07 AM, Bill Prince wrote: > >> Finally! There

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t; <part15...@gmail.com> To: "Motorola III" <af@afmug.com> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 10:07:21 AM Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Apple abandoning development of wireless routers Finally! There routers have caused more than their fair share of support calls. I say good riddance.

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Finally! There routers have caused more than their fair share of support calls. I say good riddance. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-11-21/apple-said-to-abandon-development-of-wireless-routers-ivs0ssec -- bp

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JOYOUS DAY On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 10:07 AM, Bill Prince wrote: > Finally! There routers have caused more than their fair share of support > calls. I say good riddance. > > https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-11-21/apple- >

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but won’t contribute to a 401K with 100% company > match. > > > From: Adam Moffett > Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2016 11:50 AM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple > > Yeah it's a real psychological phenomenon. We (humans) are terrible at &g

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their bottom line, and journalists know who signs their paychecks. From: CBB - Jay Fuller Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2016 12:03 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple and then you have a House of Cards... :) - Original Message - From: Brian Webster To: af@afmug.com Sent

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Terrible at reward assessment also. We buy lottery tickets, but won’t contribute to a 401K with 100% company match. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2016 11:50 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple Yeah it's a real psychological phenomenon. We (humans

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and then you have a House of Cards... :) - Original Message - From: Brian Webster To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 8:21 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple Ok I will bite to keep the thread moving. Ponder this thought: Executive branch has

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@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple Yeah it's a real psychological phenomenon. We (humans) are terrible at intuitive risk assessment. We're worried about terrorist attacks, but not worried about our cholesterol and driving habits which are both more dangerous. I don't see a conspiracy

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t;javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple Yeah, I was being a troll when I started the thread. I knew it would get some traction. Tushar was right, I was bored. *From:*Jaime Solorza &l

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Always.. On Feb 20, 2016 10:14 AM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > Wear your seat belt. My wife is still with me due to a seat belt. > > *From:* Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> > *Sent:* Saturday, February 20, 2016 10:12 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com >

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To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple Wear your seat belt. My wife is still with me due to a seat belt. From: Sean Heskett Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2016 10:12 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple Too bad we don't give as much attention, publicity, and funding to prevent

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Wear your seat belt. My wife is still with me due to a seat belt. From: Sean Heskett Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2016 10:12 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple Too bad we don't give as much attention, publicity, and funding to prevent ways that people actually die. http

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t; >>> Then you think, but what if the executive branch does this to the judges >>> too……… >>> >>> >>> >>> This level of power is something that once discovered would never be >>> given up, it’s just too handy and powerful, no m

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*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple Yeah, I was being a troll when I started the thread. I knew it would get some traction. Tushar was right, I was bored. *From:*Jaime Solorza <mailto:losguyswirel...@gma

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<mailto:afmu...@gmail.com> *Sent:* Friday, February 19, 2016 5:46 PM *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple The better question is the NSA so inept that their job that they can’t break into the phone themselves? Or do they just not want the world to

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2016 11:06:10 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple Used to have your SSN on your dogtags. Just recently they have changed that to some other identification number used only within the DoD. On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 10:42 PM, Jay Weekley <par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote: > Me too. I

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13 PM >> *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple >> The fudge packers at medicare use your SSN for the account number you are >> required to write on the check. >> >> They have no clue. >> >> bp >> <part15sbs{at}

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ary 19, 2016 6:13 PM *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple The fudge packers at medicare use your SSN for the account number you are required to write on the check. They have no clue. bp <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> On 2/19/2016 5:05 PM, Josh Reynolds

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would take.� The bank and the > IRS are more trustworthy than the NSA? > � > I don�t have any family pictures that I would be worried if they got > published.�� I am just not catching this paranoid cynicism that seems > to be attached to this issue.� > � >

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mailto:af@afmug.com> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple What if this path continues, and in the future the police officer that just pulled you over for speeding, suspects you might be up to something else... so he then takes your phone, unlocks it from his car, downloads everything to his laptop, an

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ilto:afmu...@gmail.com> *Sent:* Friday, February 19, 2016 5:46 PM *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple The better question is the NSA so inept that their job that they can’t break into the phone themselves? Or do they just not want the world to know they c

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;>> The public does not worry about this because they have the protection of >>> the Supreme Court and the balance of powers. >>> >>> >>> >>> Then you think, but what if the executive branch does this to the judges >>> too……… >>> >

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executive may be from. >> >> >> >> Absolute power corrupts absolutely. >> >> >> >> Thank You, >> >> Brian Webster >> >> www.wirelessmapping.com >> >> www.Broadband-Mapping.com >> >> >> >> *From:*

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the opportunity to let it expire yet they chose to renew the law…… Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Macenski Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 9:26 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple

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; Thank You, > > Brian Webster > > www.wirelessmapping.com > > www.Broadband-Mapping.com > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown > *Sent:* Friday, February 19, 2016 9:03 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT

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lessmapping.com > > www.Broadband-Mapping.com > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown > *Sent:* Friday, February 19, 2016 9:03 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple > > > > Yeah, I was being a troll when I sta

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the executive may be from. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 9:03 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple

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car and many other places. >> >> Why is it such an issue if it is digital data, but the raw data is not >> protected? >> >> *From:* Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >> *Sent:* Friday, February 19, 2016 6:05 PM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Sub

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chnology, just not all you > guys > > *From:* Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Friday, February 19, 2016 4:13 PM > *To:* af <af@afmug.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple > Right, this isn't like they're asking for a backdoor so they can access > a

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presumes you can trust them.) With a court order I think they >> ought to be able to dig into anything they can find. Got something to >> hide... then physically hide it better. >> >> > *From:* Sam Lambie <samtaos...@gmail.com> >> *Sent:* Friday, Febr

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they > ought to be able to dig into anything they can find. Got something to > hide... then physically hide it better. > > > *From:* Sam Lambie <samtaos...@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Friday, February 19, 2016 3:52 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple >

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Yeah, I was being a troll when I started the thread. I knew it would get some traction. Tushar was right, I was bored. From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 7:01 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple Hire a high school get to open phone. Geezh On Feb 19, 2016 3

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Hire a high school get to open phone. Geezh On Feb 19, 2016 3:45 PM, wrote: > Treason? >

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;Forrest Christian (List Account)" <li...@packetflux.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','li...@packetflux.com');>> > *To: *"af" <af@afmug.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');>> > *Sent: *Friday, February 19, 2016 5:40:51 PM > *Su

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t to the nation. > > *From:* Travis Johnson <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','t...@ida.net');> > *Sent:* Friday, February 19, 2016 5:15 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple > > I don't think that's the case..

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: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple I think the underlying issue here is this: It used to be that all of this data was kept locked up (or at least behind closed doors) in a house, or a place of business, or wherever. If one wanted the data, the government had to go get a search warrant, enter one's house

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y other places. > > Why is it such an issue if it is digital data, but the raw data is not > protected? > > *From:* Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> > *Sent:* Friday, February 19, 2016 6:05 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple > > > The

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, February 19, 2016 6:15 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple Raw data breaks down and has a higher barrier to entry. Digital data does not break down and has a lower barrier to entry. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP

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" <ch...@wbmfg.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 7:11:39 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple Yeah, happens, but with Target too. It’s the world we live in. Do you trust Walmart or Amazon? This is not just a government type of thing. Was this malicious, or directed?

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When I was in college, my student ID was my SSN. Same for everyone. From: Bill Prince Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 6:13 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple The fudge packers at medicare use your SSN for the account number you are required to write on the check. They have

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No actually the government is asking them to build a special version of iOS that disables the 10 wrong passcode entries that would normally lock the phone permanently. The FBI wants to use their computer and software to try to break the 4 digit lock code. But if they try more than 10 times then

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Friday, February 19, 2016 5:36 PM *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple What if this path continues, and in the future the police officer that just pulled you over for speeding, suspects you might be up to something else... so he then takes

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2016 7:05:12 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple The last time I trusted the federal government with something very important, they let my blood type, fingerprint, DNA, social security number, names numbers and addresses of relatives and friends, my wife's SSN, and all three of my kid's SSNs da

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: [AFMUG] OT Apple The last time I trusted the federal government with something very important, they let my blood type, fingerprint, DNA, social security number, names numbers and addresses of relatives and friends, my wife's SSN, and all three of my kid's SSNs data get collected by a third party

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: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple What is wrong with the FBI having this ability? How does that have a negative impact on me? I could argue that it has a positive benefit to the nation. From: Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 5:15 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple I

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nt:* Friday, February 19, 2016 5:06 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple > > That's why all the back doors to Huawei equipment are secret. > > Realistically, Apple shouldn't need to do anything. Let the battery run > down, and remove the storage chip(s). Give

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Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <li...@packetflux.com> To: "af" <af@afmug.com> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 5:40:51 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple The te

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to this issue. > > *From:* Travis Johnson <t...@ida.net> > *Sent:* Friday, February 19, 2016 5:36 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple > > What if this path continues, and in the future the police officer that > just pulled you over for speeding, s

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PM *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple That's why all the back doors to Huawei equipment are secret. Realistically, Apple shouldn't need to do anything. Let the battery run down, and remove the storage chip(s). Give the storage chip(s) to the NSA, and

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be worried if they got published. I am just not catching this paranoid cynicism that seems to be attached to this issue. From: Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 5:36 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple What if this path continues, and in the future the police

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ilto:afmu...@gmail.com> *Sent:* Friday, February 19, 2016 5:46 PM *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple The better question is the NSA so inept that their job that they can’t break into the phone themselves? Or do they just not want the world to know

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hat it has a positive benefit to the nation. *From:* Travis Johnson <mailto:t...@ida.net> *Sent:* Friday, February 19, 2016 5:15 PM *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple I don't think that's the case do you really see the FBI turning the phone over

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d Internet Services 417.851.1107 - Original Message - From: "George Skorup" <geo...@cbcast.com <mailto:geo...@cbcast.com>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 5:05:38 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple

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e? > I could argue that it has a positive benefit to the nation. > > *From:* Travis Johnson <t...@ida.net> > *Sent:* Friday, February 19, 2016 5:15 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple > > I don't think that's the case do you really see the F

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What is wrong with the FBI having this ability? How does that have a negative impact on me? I could argue that it has a positive benefit to the nation. From: Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 5:15 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple I don't think that's the case

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I don't think that's the case do you really see the FBI turning the phone over to Apple? What happens if Apple comes back a week later and says "oops, sorry... we nuked it". The FBI wants Apple to write a new IOS version that will not erase the phone after 10 attempts at the login code.

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n find. Got something to hide... then physically hide it better. *From:* Sam Lambie <mailto:samtaos...@gmail.com> *Sent:* Friday, February 19, 2016 3:52 PM *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple Screw the govt. Apple is doing entirely doing the right

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Pretty sure they could probe the flash if they had to. From: Bill Prince Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 5:06 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple That's why all the back doors to Huawei equipment are secret. Realistically, Apple shouldn't need to do anything. Let the battery

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I have been compelled to create interrogatory and other data many times. From: Bruce Robertson Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 5:05 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple That's my understanding as well. Further, for the iPhone 5S and later, it has nothing to do with source code

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That's why all the back doors to Huawei equipment are secret. Realistically, Apple shouldn't need to do anything. Let the battery run down, and remove the storage chip(s). Give the storage chip(s) to the NSA, and let them hack away at it. Depending on how important it is (or isn't), and how

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That's my understanding as well. Further, for the iPhone 5S and later, it has nothing to do with source code and compilers, as the security is apparently built directly into the hardware. (To be fair, apparently the phone in question is a 5C, and does not have the hardware security. That

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y 19, 2016 5:18 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple I haven't been paying close attention to this but I thought I saw one TV report that said earlier versions of iOS could simply be unlocked. Supposedly Apple has unlocked previous unencrypted phones. That all changed with iOS 9 thou

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, and then the govt would set up a robot to just try all the 4 digit PINs. From: Daniel White Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 5:46 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple The better question is the NSA so inept that their job that they can’t break into the phone themselves? Or do

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Interesting reading. And a very real dilemma. I'm still reading everyones comments. - Original Message - From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 5:10 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple But it has been done thousands of times. FBI and NSA

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<http://www.linkedin.com/in/danielwhite84> LinkedIn: <https://twitter.com/DanielWhite84> Twitter From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 4:24 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple Every decent code writer at App

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The technically-minded articles I've read pretty much agree with this, and then some. The FBI wants them to develop a *special release* of iOS which will allow the government to bypass the security on a phone. This isn't a 'here apple, get us the data off of the phone' thing. This is a 'you

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: [AFMUG] OT Apple My understanding--and Apple's representation--is that no one at Apple actually has the tools to do this. If they develop that ability in house then a human or humans then have those tools. This is then a de facto compromise of the security, humans being notoriously susceptible

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My understanding--and Apple's representation--is that no one at Apple actually has the tools to do this. If they develop that ability in house then a human or humans then have those tools. This is then a de facto compromise of the security, humans being notoriously susceptible to corruption.

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guys From: Mathew Howard Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 4:13 PM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple Right, this isn't like they're asking for a backdoor so they can access any iPhone remotely at any time... they have to physically have the device for it to be of any use, which

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I haven't been paying close attention to this but I thought I saw one TV report that said earlier versions of iOS could simply be unlocked. Supposedly Apple has unlocked previous unencrypted phones. That all changed with iOS 9 though because of encryption and that there is no simple unlock

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Friday, February 19, 2016 4:08 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple > > Problem is that once you do it. It's done and they can do it again, and > again. If you think it will only ever get used on this ONE phone then you > are delusional. > > -- > Christopher

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:* Friday, February 19, 2016 3:52 PM *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple Screw the govt. Apple is doing entirely doing the right thing. On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 3:47 PM, Nate Burke <n...@blastcomm.com <mailto:n...@blastcomm.com&

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ot imagine > needing strong encryption other than to keep folks out of my network and > bank account. > > -Original Message- From: Christopher Tyler > Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 4:08 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple > > Problem is t

Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple

4:08 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple Problem is that once you do it. It's done and they can do it again, and again. If you think it will only ever get used on this ONE phone then you are delusional. -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet

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it? No. On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 5:07 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > If Jihadi John had shot up Apple HQ, I don’t think we would be having this > discussion. > > *From:* George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com> > *Sent:* Friday, February 19, 2016 4:05 PM > *To:* af@afmug.c

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t tap your data? (Of > course one presumes you can trust them.) With a court order I think they > ought to be able to dig into anything they can find. Got something to > hide... then physically hide it better. > > > *From:* Sam Lambie <samtaos...@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Frida

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Would Still have to have the physical device, and 30 seconds and a sledgehammer help with that. On 2/19/2016 5:08 PM, Christopher Tyler wrote: Problem is that once you do it. It's done and they can do it again, and again. If you think it will only ever get used on this ONE phone then you are

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uot;George Skorup" <geo...@cbcast.com> > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 5:05:38 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple > > As I understand it, that is exactly what the gov is asking them for. FBI > wants Apple to decrypt and send over the data. Nothing more.

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: "George Skorup" <geo...@cbcast.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 5:05:38 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple As I understand it, that is exactly what the gov is asking them for. FBI wants Apple to decrypt and send over the data. Nothing more. No "software

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Isn't the Iphone is From China? Obama could just pickup the phone and call President Jinping and say, "Hey, you guys built this, and our US company isn't helping us out. How about finding a nice engineer over at the plant to unlock it for us." I bet they'd do it in a heartbeat. On

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If Jihadi John had shot up Apple HQ, I don’t think we would be having this discussion. From: George Skorup Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 4:05 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple As I understand it, that is exactly what the gov is asking them for. FBI wants Apple to decrypt

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As I understand it, that is exactly what the gov is asking them for. FBI wants Apple to decrypt and send over the data. Nothing more. No "software on every phone" to do this. Just that ONE phone. Get the data, then incinerate the device. On 2/19/2016 4:59 PM, Nate Burke wrote: But they're not

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If they make an exception for this government they will make it for others and it will be "super fucking awesome" when each nation has their own method to breach devices. I'm sure Apple and Google (phone division) wouldn't mind packing up shop and telling the UG Govt to get fucked so they could

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