Re: What's the answer? What's the question?

2014-07-08 Thread Quentin Anciaux
Le 9 juil. 2014 01:09, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net a écrit : On 7/8/2014 3:26 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: Le 8 juil. 2014 22:56, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net a écrit : On 7/8/2014 12:57 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2014-07-08 21:23 GMT+02:00 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net

Re: Selecting your future branch

2014-07-03 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-07-03 21:51 GMT+02:00 John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com: On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: I predict that the H-guy will see Helsinki, unless you destroy him immediately after duplication That is indeed the case in the step 3 protocol. Fine,

Re: American Intelligence

2014-07-02 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-07-02 3:30 GMT+02:00 LizR lizj...@gmail.com: On 2 July 2014 11:09, spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: SMad will likely not work with say, an Iranian guv mint, but it worked ok with the Sovs. You fear a Pyrrhic victory, I fear capitulation. Yes,

Re: Tyson is not atheist (was Re: So, a new kind of non-boolean, non-digital, computer architecture

2014-07-02 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-07-02 17:08 GMT+02:00 John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com: On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 1:34 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Atheism, as I know it, is a slight variant of christianism. Therefore I repeat what I said before, at least one of the following two statements must be true:

Re: Tyson is not atheist (was Re: So, a new kind of non-boolean, non-digital, computer architecture

2014-07-02 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-07-02 19:23 GMT+02:00 John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com: On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 11:25 AM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: Atheism, as I know it, is a slight variant of christianism. Therefore I repeat what I said before, at least one of the following two statements must

Re: American Intelligence

2014-06-30 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-06-30 14:38 GMT+02:00 spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com: Well, I somehow do remember MAD, and it worked with the Sovs, but I suspect less so with Iran, Isis and North Kor. Do you disagree? Yes, from what I've read, a local nuclear conflict is pretty sure to

Re: American Intelligence

2014-06-30 Thread Quentin Anciaux
those countries, China and Russia (and others who have the bomb) will do nothing ? Quentin -Original Message- From: Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, Jun 30, 2014 10:16 am Subject: Re: American Intelligence

Re: American Intelligence

2014-06-30 Thread Quentin Anciaux
:07 GMT+02:00 Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com: The USA has the capacity to destroy the missile before it even touch the US... USA has not the capacity to do this for all the Russian ICBM *by treaties* not because it's too difficult... USA has enough anti-ICBM to destroy any north korean ICBM

Re: Selecting your future branch

2014-06-29 Thread Quentin Anciaux
Le 29 juin 2014 18:33, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com a écrit : On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 3:54 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: the H-guy cannot be sure about its future 1-view *from the unique 1-view Unique? That implies that there is one and only one correct answer to the

Re: Disproving physicalism from COMP

2014-06-25 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-06-25 6:52 GMT+02:00 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net: On 6/24/2014 2:29 AM, LizR wrote: On 24 June 2014 17:04, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: If primitive matter existed, and if it has a role for consciousness, or for consciousness instantiation, step 8, and the argument above,

Re: Disproving physicalism from COMP

2014-06-25 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-06-25 10:15 GMT+02:00 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be: On 25 Jun 2014, at 09:40, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2014-06-25 6:52 GMT+02:00 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net: On 6/24/2014 2:29 AM, LizR wrote: On 24 June 2014 17:04, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: If primitive matter

Re: Selecting your future branch

2014-06-20 Thread Quentin Anciaux
You're so full of it... well I won't enter with you again on this debate... I've waited too much years... so ok. Byebye 2014-06-20 21:28 GMT+02:00 John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com: On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 4:52 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: And in the MWI how will YOU know

Re: Selecting your future branch

2014-06-19 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-06-19 19:25 GMT+02:00 John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com: On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 2:01 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: You mean that you made many attempts to find a blunder, but we were more than three to show you that in each case, you were confusing 1-views and 3-views.

Re: Selecting your future branch

2014-06-19 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-06-19 21:10 GMT+02:00 John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com: On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 1:57 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: you accept 1/3 distinction in MWI Forget MWI, EVERYBODY who is not in a padded cell accepts the 1/3 distinction. please do not come again

Re: Selecting your future branch

2014-06-19 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-06-19 21:55 GMT+02:00 John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com: On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 3:19 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: No the I before measuring the spin, is as clear as the I pushing the button, no confusion... When I ask that I what is the probability he'll see spin up

Re: Selecting your future branch

2014-06-19 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-06-19 22:52 GMT+02:00 Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com: 2014-06-19 21:55 GMT+02:00 John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com: On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 3:19 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: No the I before measuring the spin, is as clear as the I pushing the button

Re: O-machines

2014-06-18 Thread Quentin Anciaux
It seems to me Olympia is a simple table lookup for the input, the argument he uses to place it in the oracle camp seems invalid to me, he posits that he is able to construct a lookup table that contains the result of the halting problem... and because such table is a lookup table, all lookup

Re: O-machines

2014-06-18 Thread Quentin Anciaux
, the lookup plays the role of an oracle... that doesn't mean every lookup is an oracle. Quentin Or does it??? On 18 June 2014 18:37, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: It seems to me Olympia is a simple table lookup for the input, the argument he uses to place it in the oracle camp

Re: Pluto bounces back!

2014-06-06 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-06-06 16:57 GMT+02:00 spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com: This is fascinating, and I have had such experiences as well. I was warned against certain areas and I went there anyway. They looked more grimy, but never had a problem. I fondly remember a poor

Re: Pluto bounces back!

2014-06-05 Thread Quentin Anciaux
Maybe it's when people post directly via googlegroups and not via their email client ? 2014-06-05 19:28 GMT+02:00 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net: Why do these posts appear with the From line EveryThing instead of with the senders name? Brent On 6/5/2014 10:04 AM, spudboy100 via

Re: So, a new kind of non-boolean, non-digital, computer architecture

2014-05-28 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-05-28 17:45 GMT+02:00 ghib...@gmail.com: On Wednesday, May 28, 2014 3:13:44 AM UTC+1, Stephen Paul King wrote: To detect someone with Down's syndrome, sequence data is completely useless. Please elaborate! I do know of other ways that data can be organized...all I was actually

Re: TRONNIES

2014-05-27 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-05-27 23:46 GMT+02:00 John Ross jr...@trexenterprises.com: Thank you, whoever it was that wrote the long paragraph. It reminds me of the only lawyer joke that I can remember. “Why do they bury Lawyers 8 feet deep.” “Because down deep they are not too bad.” I did learn the Law of

Re: Thorium: the wonder fuel that wasn't

2014-05-20 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-05-20 8:28 GMT+02:00 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com: What about the waste tails he alludes to. I had not known that they had actually constructed and tested U233 bombs – had always thought it was a hypothetical problem rather than an actual and

Re: Thorium: the wonder fuel that wasn't

2014-05-20 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-05-20 17:55 GMT+02:00 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com: *From:* everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto: everything-list@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Quentin Anciaux *Sent:* Monday, May 19, 2014 11:49 PM *To:* everything-list

Re: Thorium: the wonder fuel that wasn't

2014-05-20 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-05-20 18:44 GMT+02:00 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net: On 5/19/2014 11:48 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: These are valid criticisms that are very much not administrative nature but cut right to the core [pun intended] of a world in which a multitude of thorium U233 breeder reactors

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-10 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-05-11 0:58 GMT+02:00 LizR lizj...@gmail.com: On 10 May 2014 23:30, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote: On 10 May 2014 20:12, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 8:30 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 10 May 2014 17:30, Stathis Papaioannou

Re: TRONNIES

2014-05-07 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-05-07 11:13 GMT+02:00 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be: On 06 May 2014, at 20:22, ghib...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, May 6, 2014 6:07:27 PM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 06 May 2014, at 18:08, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, May 6, 2014 4:59:12 PM UTC+1, ghi...@gmail.com

Re: TRONNIES

2014-05-07 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-05-07 17:20 GMT+02:00 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be: On 07 May 2014, at 11:41, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2014-05-07 11:13 GMT+02:00 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be: On 06 May 2014, at 20:22, ghib...@gmail.com wrote: snip But you do not ever make a hard prediction Bruno

Re: TRONNIES

2014-05-06 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-05-06 17:32 GMT+02:00 John Ross jr...@trexenterprises.com: All 101 of my “predictions” are predictions. I looked up “prediction”. It means: “Something foretold or predicted”. You do not predict anything about observed things... your points are about things in your theory... What does

Re: Evolution from Scripture

2014-05-05 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-05-05 10:30 GMT+02:00 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com: On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 4:48 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 5 May 2014 13:57, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: It creates a parallel medium of exchange in which those who make bitcoins first hope to profit from

Re: Honey Bee

2014-05-04 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-05-04 6:24 GMT+02:00 LizR lizj...@gmail.com: On 4 May 2014 15:20, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: I have forwarded your query to an expert in Arabic Grammar. Your quote from Wikipedia is correct. What I can inform you, based on my understanding, is that the pronoun 'ha' used

Re: Climate models

2014-04-10 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-04-10 18:28 GMT+02:00 Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com: Chris and Guitar, you are funny. Do you believe that these mere insults andd ad-hominem straw man etc, have any effect across internet except to laugh at you? Who's the one insulting ? You are certainly blind to your own

Re: If you can't disprove the science, you can always try suing

2014-04-05 Thread Quentin Anciaux
It was in one of the climate threads. Le 5 avr. 2014 09:11, LizR lizj...@gmail.com a écrit : On 4 April 2014 19:35, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-04-04 1:29 GMT+02:00 LizR lizj...@gmail.com: Climate Deniers Intimidate Journal into Retracting Paper that Finds They Believe

Re: If you can't disprove the science, you can always try suing

2014-04-04 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-04-04 1:29 GMT+02:00 LizR lizj...@gmail.com: Climate Deniers Intimidate Journal into Retracting Paper that Finds They Believe Conspiracy Theories Ironically, it looks like they are conspiring to silence any mention of this fact!

Re: Daphne du Maurier was right!

2014-04-04 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-04-04 12:20 GMT+02:00 Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com: Stathis Papaioannou asks: So are you saying that if a scientific error is pointed out to you in the Bible or the Quran you will accept that they are not the word of God? Honest answer: I don't know. To quote from the last

Re: Daphne du Maurier was right!

2014-04-04 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-04-04 19:05 GMT+02:00 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com: On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 6:15 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 04 Apr 2014, at 11:44, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 4 April 2014 20:33, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 1:24

Re: Max and FPI

2014-03-27 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-03-27 5:39 GMT+01:00 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net: On 3/26/2014 9:03 PM, LizR wrote: On 27 March 2014 16:33, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: I don't think you can infer anything about gender preference for triple or bust vs maintain what we've got from evolutionary biology.

Re: Scott Aaronson vs. Max Tegmark

2014-03-26 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-03-26 2:45 GMT+01:00 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net: On 3/25/2014 6:34 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 26 March 2014 12:15, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: An infinite universe (Tegmark type 1) implies that our consciousness flits about from one copy of us to another and

Re: Scott Aaronson vs. Max Tegmark

2014-03-26 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-03-26 7:13 GMT+01:00 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net: On 3/25/2014 9:57 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 26 Mar 2014, at 1:56 pm, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 3/25/2014 6:57 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 26 March 2014 12:55, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On

Re: [foar] COMP = no cloning?

2014-03-25 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-03-24 23:27 GMT+01:00 LizR lizj...@gmail.com: On 25 March 2014 11:03, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-03-24 22:00 GMT+01:00 Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com: Well then the question is How is cloning different from Asking the doctor to gather info from the substitution

Re: Nova Spivack on 'Consciousness is More Fundamental Than Computation'

2014-03-25 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-03-25 1:46 GMT+01:00 LizR lizj...@gmail.com: He suggests quantum computers can't be simulated (probably a lot more slowly) by classical computers. I thought they could? Then he's wrong, because quantum computers can't compute more than a turing machine... Quentin On 25 March 2014

Re: [foar] COMP = no cloning?

2014-03-25 Thread Quentin Anciaux
of my parts at that level. We call that level the substitution level. == http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/publications/SANE2004MARCHAL.htm 2014-03-25 22:38 GMT+01:00 Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com: Then it is really a conjecture On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 5:37 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco

Re: [foar] COMP = no cloning?

2014-03-25 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-03-25 22:38 GMT+01:00 Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com: Then it is really a conjecture It is a definition and by definition if comp is true, that level of description exists... (it can be as low as you want, as long as it is finite). On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 5:37 PM, Quentin Anciaux

Re: [foar] COMP = no cloning?

2014-03-25 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-03-25 22:34 GMT+01:00 Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com: On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 4:48 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.comwrote: 2014-03-25 21:37 GMT+01:00 Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com: On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 11:17 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.bewrote: On 24 Mar

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-21 Thread Quentin Anciaux
I fear the control they want only exist in your mind... You should consult... seriously. You live in a delusional paranoia. 2014-03-21 12:20 GMT+01:00 spudboy...@aol.com: You are picking up the inconsistencies given off by the Greens (red greens) and the ruling class that funds them. If we

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-21 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-03-21 17:19 GMT+01:00 John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com: On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.comwrote: The thing I most want to know about RCP4.5 is what RCP stands for, Google seems to think it's Rich Client Platform but that doesn't sound quite right

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-21 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-03-21 17:52 GMT+01:00 Jesse Mazer laserma...@gmail.com: On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 12:19 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.comwrote: The thing I most want to know about RCP4.5 is what RCP stands for, Google

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-21 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-03-21 17:59 GMT+01:00 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com: On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.comwrote: 2014-03-21 17:19 GMT+01:00 John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com: On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.comwrote

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-20 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-03-20 14:34 GMT+01:00 spudboy...@aol.com: Please remember, solar, to remediate, must replace all nat gas, all coal, all uranium, all petro that all cities and cars. No it doesn't have to... it's not because it can't currently replace everything that it can't replace part of it... and it

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-20 Thread Quentin Anciaux
everything that it can't replace part of it... and it does thanks you're not the one who decide things. -Original Message- From: Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Thu, Mar 20, 2014 9:36 am Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-19 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-03-19 15:44 GMT+01:00 John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com: On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 8:05 PM, Jesse Mazer laserma...@gmail.com wrote: Do you think I am incorrect in saying that your list does NOT look like the general policy recommendations that most of those who see an urgent need to curb

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-19 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-03-19 15:48 GMT+01:00 Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com: 2014-03-19 15:44 GMT+01:00 John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com: On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 8:05 PM, Jesse Mazer laserma...@gmail.com wrote: Do you think I am incorrect in saying that your list does NOT look like the general

Re: Entropy and curved spacetime

2014-03-19 Thread Quentin Anciaux
In the present state and the physical transition rules from one state to another ? if the transition is reversible then from only the current state you can infer the past state, without it being encoded in the present state... the current state + transition rule is enough. Quentin 2014-03-19

Re: Entropy and curved spacetime

2014-03-19 Thread Quentin Anciaux
To whom are you answering ? It seems it is to Edgar... you should not cite a message when you want to answer to another one... Regards, Quentin 2014-03-19 22:46 GMT+01:00 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net: On 3/19/2014 8:45 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: In the present state and the physical

Re: Tegmark and UDA step 3

2014-03-13 Thread Quentin Anciaux
It seems to me that you're just attacking a straw men... it's obvious in multivalued outcome, that probability doesn't mean only one outcome arise out of many... so as I said previously if that's what you mean and attacking us for, it's bad faith on your side. Quentin 2014-03-13 1:18 GMT+01:00

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-13 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-03-13 11:45 GMT+01:00 spudboy...@aol.com: Yes, I realize you are opposed to GMO, I realize you can't read... I'm quoting him: for example ***I*** have no patience with ***the view*** *(not his)* (all too common among those on the left) that GMOs are a dangerous health risk since *all

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-02-27 Thread Quentin Anciaux
Well if you can store 61 times more energy, that just means there's room for improvement in the existing batteries... Good news, if nature was able to do it so can we I hope. Le 28 févr. 2014 00:50, LizR lizj...@gmail.com a écrit : On 28 February 2014 07:47, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com

Re: 3-1 views (was: Re: Better Than the Chinese Room)

2014-02-25 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-02-25 8:43 GMT+01:00 chris peck chris_peck...@hotmail.com: Hi Quentin *That's nonsense, * The point wasn't whether you think its nonsense or not. I couldn't care less about that. we were arguing about whether there are Oxford Dons who adopt the same standpoint as me, and given your

Re: 3-1 views (was: Re: Better Than the Chinese Room)

2014-02-25 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-02-25 15:02 GMT+01:00 chris peck chris_peck...@hotmail.com: Hi Quentin * I don't refuse to read them. You've cited *one* paper, I didn't have time to read it, I will this week.* Ah so you dismiss things that you havent read then? Impressive! I don't... I've said it's about the

Re: 3-1 views (was: Re: Better Than the Chinese Room)

2014-02-25 Thread Quentin Anciaux
the best Chris. -- From: marc...@ulb.ac.be To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: 3-1 views (was: Re: Better Than the Chinese Room) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 05:26:02 +0100 On 25 Feb 2014, at 07:31, Quentin Anciaux wrote: Greaves rejects subjective

Re: 3-1 views (was: Re: Better Than the Chinese Room)

2014-02-25 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-02-26 7:28 GMT+01:00 Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com: 2014-02-26 7:21 GMT+01:00 chris peck chris_peck...@hotmail.com: Hi Bruno Yes, it is the common confusion between 1 and 3 views. There is no such confusion. I haven't seen anyone confusing these. She should have said

Re: 3-1 views (was: Re: Better Than the Chinese Room)

2014-02-25 Thread Quentin Anciaux
Subject: Re: 3-1 views (was: Re: Better Than the Chinese Room) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 05:26:02 +0100 On 25 Feb 2014, at 07:31, Quentin Anciaux wrote: Greaves rejects subjective uncertainty. With respect to spin up and spin down pay special attention to the point in section 4.1 where

Re: Block Universes

2014-02-24 Thread Quentin Anciaux
Plenty of people have already demonstrated the inconsistency of your view of p-time and simultaneity... you just ignore it and play dumb. You still haven't grasped what it means to be at the same spacetime coordinate... Quentin 2014-02-24 18:14 GMT+01:00 Edgar L. Owen edgaro...@att.net:

Re: Block Universes

2014-02-24 Thread Quentin Anciaux
admission) and hasn't succeeded so far You can't just state an uniformed opinion and expect anyone to believe it Edgar On Monday, February 24, 2014 12:19:57 PM UTC-5, Quentin Anciaux wrote: Plenty of people have already demonstrated the inconsistency of your view of p-time

Re: Block Universes

2014-02-24 Thread Quentin Anciaux
in their coordinate systems. if someone need a proof you don't understand s..t. 2014-02-24 18:39 GMT+01:00 Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com: ahahah 2014-02-24 18:36 GMT+01:00 Edgar L. Owen edgaro...@att.net: Quentin, I challenge you to show me a single inconsistency between P-time

Re: Block Universes

2014-02-24 Thread Quentin Anciaux
Yeah yeah... you're a misundestood genius... poor guy. 2014-02-24 18:50 GMT+01:00 Edgar L. Owen edgaro...@att.net: Quentin, As I expected you can't show us anything to make your point, and just revert to hot air... Edgar On Monday, February 24, 2014 12:39:30 PM UTC-5, Quentin Anciaux

Re: CTM Attack and Redemption

2014-02-24 Thread Quentin Anciaux
I prefer the Pasta theory of the universe... the universe is generated with pasta... My pasta universe starts with the actual observable state of the universe and works backward. That absolutely ensures that it is correct by definition even before we might know what all of those actual pastas are

Re: Block Universes

2014-02-24 Thread Quentin Anciaux
statement exactly as stated. It's a comment on definitions of terminology another poster was using, rather than actual theory. Keep trying my friend, but if that is the best you can do it will take a very long time! Edgar On Monday, February 24, 2014 12:43:20 PM UTC-5, Quentin Anciaux

Re: Block Universes

2014-02-24 Thread Quentin Anciaux
correctly! :-) Edgar On Monday, February 24, 2014 12:53:12 PM UTC-5, Quentin Anciaux wrote: Yeah yeah... you're a misundestood genius... poor guy. 2014-02-24 18:50 GMT+01:00 Edgar L. Owen edga...@att.net: Quentin, As I expected you can't show us anything to make your point, and just

Re: CTM Attack and Redemption

2014-02-24 Thread Quentin Anciaux
blablabla... genius. 2014-02-24 19:01 GMT+01:00 Edgar L. Owen edgaro...@att.net: Quentin, The typical adolescent response of someone unable to even understand the post he is responding to. Edgar On Monday, February 24, 2014 12:57:17 PM UTC-5, Quentin Anciaux wrote: I prefer

Re: Block Universes

2014-02-24 Thread Quentin Anciaux
with relativity, which remains unproved and simply an unfounded opinion on your part. Perhaps you are trying to change the subject because you can't prove your original contention? That's fine, just man up and admit it... Edgar On Monday, February 24, 2014 12:59:10 PM UTC-5, Quentin Anciaux

Re: CTM Attack and Redemption

2014-02-24 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-02-24 20:02 GMT+01:00 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com: On Monday, February 24, 2014 1:10:03 PM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote: On 24 February 2014 17:38, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote: No, that's the point of the analogy, so you can see for yourself why the question is not

Re: CTM Attack and Redemption

2014-02-24 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-02-24 20:24 GMT+01:00 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com: On Monday, February 24, 2014 2:06:24 PM UTC-5, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2014-02-24 20:02 GMT+01:00 Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com: On Monday, February 24, 2014 1:10:03 PM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote: On 24 February 2014

Re: Block Universes

2014-02-24 Thread Quentin Anciaux
frames of any two observers. I will be happy to respond further to any questions you may have Best, Edgar On Monday, February 24, 2014 1:45:24 PM UTC-5, Quentin Anciaux wrote: Just first, explain what p-time is supposed to solve in the first place that relativity doesn't. (if you come

Re: Block Universes

2014-02-24 Thread Quentin Anciaux
you have been unable to back up. Edgar On Monday, February 24, 2014 6:11:30 PM UTC-5, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2014-02-24 23:50 GMT+01:00 Edgar L. Owen edga...@att.net: Quentin, Ah, at last a couple of meaningful questions! Actually relativity does NOT explain how the twins can have

Re: 3-1 views (was: Re: Better Than the Chinese Room)

2014-02-24 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-02-25 1:05 GMT+01:00 chris peck chris_peck...@hotmail.com: Hi Quentin *As I see from the abstract, he doesn't reject probability calculus, only the interpretation of it... I'll read the article later. * Greaves rejects subjective uncertainty. With respect to spin up and spin down

Re: Block Universes

2014-02-24 Thread Quentin Anciaux
are asking the same two questions again? Edgar On Monday, February 24, 2014 6:22:04 PM UTC-5, Quentin Anciaux wrote: I just did,... your p-time is unnecessary, does not explain anything... your answer to my post, proves that you don't understand relativity at all... so I think there is not much

Re: 3-1 views (was: Re: Better Than the Chinese Room)

2014-02-23 Thread Quentin Anciaux
As I see from the abstract, he doesn't reject probability calculus, only the interpretation of it... I'll read the article later. One reason for MWI, is to explain the observed QM probabilities... so if you reject that, MWI is useless IMHO... and your theory is disproven by fact... you never see

Re: 3-1 views (was: Re: Better Than the Chinese Room)

2014-02-21 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-02-21 19:07 GMT+01:00 John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com: On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: if it is about a prediction on 1p events, the specificity is simple: we have to interview all the copies. Then don't just talk to the Moscow Man and say that is enough

Re: 3-1 views (was: Re: Better Than the Chinese Room)

2014-02-20 Thread Quentin Anciaux
Ok, then you simply reject probability usage in both scenario... then you're consistent unlike John... but if you reject such usage, that's throwing an axe on MWI explanation... then I can't see how you could still agree with many world interpretation and reject probability, that's not

Re: Better Than the Chinese Room

2014-02-19 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-02-19 0:22 GMT+01:00 David Nyman da...@davidnyman.com: On 18 February 2014 22:34, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote: On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 02:06:37PM +, David Nyman wrote: I must admit it hasn't been entirely clear to me why you decided that the MGA can go through

Re: 3-1 views (was: Re: Better Than the Chinese Room)

2014-02-19 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-02-19 19:36 GMT+01:00 John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com: On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 2:10 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.comwrote: Be consistent reject MWI on the same ground... don't bother adding the argument that you can't meet your doppelganger, So you want me to defend my case

Re: Wikipedia-size maths proof too big for humans to check

2014-02-19 Thread Quentin Anciaux
But is it possible to write program checking the proof (not finding it) ? I guess it must be, because a proof, is just following rules... so it should be possible to devise two independent different proof checker... if these proof checker are smaller than the proof itself (and they should be),

RE: 3-1 views (was: Re: Better Than the Chinese Room)

2014-02-19 Thread Quentin Anciaux
:53:46 +0100 Subject: Re: 3-1 views (was: Re: Better Than the Chinese Room) To: everything-list@googlegroups.com 2014-02-19 19:36 GMT+01:00 John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com: On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 2:10 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.comwrote: Be consistent reject MWI on the same

Re: 3-1 views (was: Re: Better Than the Chinese Room)

2014-02-19 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-02-19 19:36 GMT+01:00 John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com: On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 2:10 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.comwrote: Be consistent reject MWI on the same ground... don't bother adding the argument that you can't meet your doppelganger, So you want me to defend my case

Re: 3-1 views

2014-02-18 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-02-19 1:21 GMT+01:00 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net: On 2/17/2014 10:25 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2014-02-18 3:35 GMT+01:00 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net: On 2/17/2014 5:57 PM, David Nyman wrote: On 17 February 2014 20:15, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote

Re: 3-1 views

2014-02-17 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-02-17 3:55 GMT+01:00 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net: On 2/16/2014 6:17 PM, David Nyman wrote: On 17 February 2014 01:35, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: Well then, facing duplication, would your expectation change to that of personally experiencing a simultaneous two-valued

Re: 3-1 views

2014-02-17 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-02-18 3:35 GMT+01:00 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net: On 2/17/2014 5:57 PM, David Nyman wrote: On 17 February 2014 20:15, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: But it is unambiguous under comp ex hypothesi: i.e. any classically adequate copy of me is equivalent to me. Under this

Re: Suicide Words God and Ideas

2014-02-15 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-02-15 10:01 GMT+01:00 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be: I don't beg the question, I don't see a problem generating a virtual world where F=ma does not hold true... that world exists in an infinity of versions in the UD deployment as our own reality... You have no point proving our own

Re: Suicide Words God and Ideas

2014-02-14 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-02-14 19:29 GMT+01:00 John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com: On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.comwrote: In the MWI John Clark doesn't have to worry about who I or you is because however many copies of I or you there may or may not be they will never meet

Re: Suicide Words God and Ideas

2014-02-13 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-02-13 9:32 GMT+01:00 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be: On 12 Feb 2014, at 21:47, LizR wrote: On 13 February 2014 09:18, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 12 Feb 2014, at 18:58, meekerdb wrote: That doesn't follow. If there are disjoint worlds, as contemplated in some

Re: Suicide Words God and Ideas

2014-02-13 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-02-13 11:52 GMT+01:00 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be: On 13 Feb 2014, at 09:44, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2014-02-13 9:32 GMT+01:00 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be: On 12 Feb 2014, at 21:47, LizR wrote: On 13 February 2014 09:18, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 12 Feb

Re: Suicide Words God and Ideas

2014-02-13 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-02-13 12:29 GMT+01:00 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be: On 13 Feb 2014, at 12:07, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2014-02-13 11:52 GMT+01:00 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be: On 13 Feb 2014, at 09:44, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2014-02-13 9:32 GMT+01:00 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be

Re: Suicide Words God and Ideas

2014-02-13 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-02-13 16:31 GMT+01:00 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be: On 13 Feb 2014, at 12:36, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2014-02-13 12:29 GMT+01:00 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be: On 13 Feb 2014, at 12:07, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2014-02-13 11:52 GMT+01:00 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be

Re: Suicide Words God and Ideas

2014-02-13 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-02-13 18:07 GMT+01:00 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be: On 13 Feb 2014, at 16:40, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2014-02-13 16:31 GMT+01:00 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be: On 13 Feb 2014, at 12:36, Quentin Anciaux wrote: hence F=ma cannot be universaly true if comp is true

Re: Block Universes

2014-02-13 Thread Quentin Anciaux
Hi, You're amazing of patience... but I can predict the end, Edgar won't acknowledge anything because he is convince he got it all about relativity, where clearly he doesn't have a clue... he is the perfect example of what crackpotery is... he thinks that flooding a list with BS, will render the

Re: Suicide Words God and Ideas

2014-02-13 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-02-13 23:23 GMT+01:00 chris peck chris_peck...@hotmail.com: Hi Quentin I do not, valid critics are valid, By definition mate. but when you point to someone the inconsistency in his argument and that he maintains for years the same invalid argument that means that person does not

Re: Suicide Words God and Ideas

2014-02-12 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-02-12 1:17 GMT+01:00 chris peck chris_peck...@hotmail.com: Hi Chris dM and Bruno etc Once, Chris Peck said that he was convinced by Clark's argument) and I invited him to elaborate, as that might give possible lightening. He did not comply, and I was beginning that UDA was

Re: Suicide Words God and Ideas

2014-02-12 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-02-12 12:17 GMT+01:00 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be: On 12 Feb 2014, at 01:50, Russell Standish wrote: On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 07:46:48AM +1300, LizR wrote: On 12 February 2014 02:55, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: My problem with this is that I don't believe in

Re: Suicide Words God and Ideas

2014-02-10 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-02-10 6:08 GMT+01:00 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net: On 2/9/2014 12:34 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Even on his argument, that nobody understand but him, against step 3? Then I invite you to attempt to explain it to us. I think I understand it. Asking the question which will you be in

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