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I am trying to not assume that a space-time is defined a priori.
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Good question! I ask that you take what
supporting the ability of
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Good question! I ask
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Vaughn Pratt's dualist theory is consistent with QM and does show a
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running in
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Wait, Brent may have written that and I missattributed the quote.
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I have given my definition of reality previously, but here it is
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reality math, and those generalizations introduce
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to the actual logico-mathematical system of reality.
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I define 'Reality' in my book on the subject very simply as everything
that exists.
I denote everything that exist as 'the Total Universe' or simply
Existence. The key
with them myself many
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There is NO such requirement. See my response to Liz..
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Tegmark's What data feels like when it is processes seems to require
some ability to tell the difference whether it is being processed or it
merely exists as Platonic strings of numbers, No?
Did my hypothesis using Wheeler's Surprise 20 questions idea make any
sense? My claim
Dear Brent,
I agree with you 100%! But that seems to imply that there is something
real about the physical. I think that we can obtain a form of realism
that does not involve a god's eye view by appealing to the possibility of
coherent communication between multiple observers. Observers
?
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Tegmark's What data feels like when it is processes seems to require
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merely
as such
can be defined arbitrarily to suit one's whim.
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Round and round we go... This sentence It emerges because instants
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Round and round we go... This sentence It emerges because instants
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But then the explanation for *this* is that it's just a random one we
happen to exist in. I don't see that as any better than saying that
somethings happen
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Hi Edgar,
I like Kevin Knuth's theory of emergent space time. It is far more simple
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Hi Jason,
So what is turning the knob on the values of y (or x)?
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So what is turning the knob on the values of y (or x)?
Nothing, the whole graph exists at once, but y varies as x varies. Why
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I am
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Any program, and whether or not it ever terminates can
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observer's point
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Something doesn't seem right about this!
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It has always seemed to me that UDA
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That is what is not explicitly explained! I could see how one might
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could show the existence
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Interleaving below.
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That is what
the path that connects a pair of observers, I think, is
equivalent to computing the smooth diffeomorphism between the pair of
manifolds that each experiences as a world.
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grok it.
Bruno has
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Bruno has written an actual
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true theorem, then how is it a fact?
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Could you discuss the trace of the UD that LizR mentioned? How
Cool!
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Dear Jason,
ISTM that the line For each program we have generated that has not
halted, execute one instruction
How do we distinguish a program from a string of random numbers. (Consider
OTP encryptions).
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On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 10:42 PM, Stephen Paul King
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Hi Jason,
Any program
Hi jason,
Do programs have to be deterministic. What definition of deterministic
are you using?
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On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 10:54 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
On 28 December 2013 16:44, Stephen Paul King
I ask this because I am studying Carl Hewitt's Actor Model...
On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 11:03 PM, Stephen Paul King
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Hi jason,
Do programs have to be deterministic. What definition of deterministic
are you using?
On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 11:00 PM, Jason
in binary. If it is
a finite string, how do we know that it is a Turing machine program?
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Hi Jason,
The first, second, 10th
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Hi Jason,
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On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 11:01 PM, Stephen Paul King
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How do we distinguish a program from a string of random numbers.
(Consider OTP encryptions).
By we do you mean
Hi Jason,
It is Markov... OK.
On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 11:10 PM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 11:03 PM, Stephen Paul King
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Hi jason,
Do programs have to be deterministic. What definition of
deterministic are you
If it is Markov, the BB problem automatically follows.
On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 11:12 PM, Stephen Paul King
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Hi Jason,
It is Markov... OK.
On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 11:10 PM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.comwrote:
On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 11:03 PM
talking about sequences of computations, and befores and afters.
How can sequences occur if there's no time? And how does time arise?
Seems awfully unrealistic to me
Edgar
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Dear Edgar,
In Bruno's Platonia
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Hi Jason,
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On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 11:09 PM, Stephen Paul King
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Hi Jason,
It is not a question of whether or not that binary string refers to
anything that is true or not, only
This low measure, how is its lowness determined? What is doing the
comparing operation?
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If it is Markov, the BB problem
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Why do real world computers use noise oracles, or their equivalent?
On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 11:31 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
On 28 December 2013 17:27, Stephen Paul King
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Hi LizR and Jason,
Responding to both of you. I don't understand the claim
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