Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

> On 4 Mar 2020, at 22:27, PGC wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, March 3, 2020 at 12:16:41 PM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 2 Mar 2020, at 17:42, PGC > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> Then show me a worm's brain working in arithmetic. The felicity of doing so >> wouldn't ever mean, we've truly

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

On Tuesday, March 3, 2020 at 12:16:41 PM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 2 Mar 2020, at 17:42, PGC > wrote: > > > > > Then show me a worm's brain working in arithmetic. The felicity of doing > so wouldn't ever mean, we've truly achieved what we set out to do, but the > model and

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

> On 3 Mar 2020, at 12:26, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, March 3, 2020 at 5:11:18 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 2 Mar 2020, at 15:30, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, March 2, 2020 at 6:38:29 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 1 Mar 2020, at

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

On Tuesday, March 3, 2020 at 5:11:18 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 2 Mar 2020, at 15:30, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Monday, March 2, 2020 at 6:38:29 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 1 Mar 2020, at 19:11, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> In a stack-based language (e.g

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

> On 2 Mar 2020, at 17:42, PGC wrote: > > > > On Monday, March 2, 2020 at 1:23:49 PM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 1 Mar 2020, at 15:24, PGC > wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sunday, March 1, 2020 at 3:09:31 PM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 28 Feb 2020, at 18:38, PGC > wrote:

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

> On 2 Mar 2020, at 15:30, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Monday, March 2, 2020 at 6:38:29 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 1 Mar 2020, at 19:11, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> In a stack-based language (e.g like a FORTH variant) world >> >>2 + 2 >> >> results in 2

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

On Monday, March 2, 2020 at 1:23:49 PM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 1 Mar 2020, at 15:24, PGC > wrote: > > > > On Sunday, March 1, 2020 at 3:09:31 PM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 28 Feb 2020, at 18:38, PGC wrote: >> >>> >>> What could be a "wrong" thesis about Watson

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

On Monday, March 2, 2020 at 6:38:29 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 1 Mar 2020, at 19:11, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > In a stack-based language (e.g like a FORTH variant) world > >2 + 2 > > results in 2 on top of the stack. > > push 2 > push + (top of stack is combined

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

> On 1 Mar 2020, at 19:11, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Sunday, March 1, 2020 at 8:02:41 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 28 Feb 2020, at 19:32, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >>> >>> Real computing is computing voided of Platonism. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

> On 1 Mar 2020, at 15:24, PGC wrote: > > > > On Sunday, March 1, 2020 at 3:09:31 PM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 28 Feb 2020, at 18:38, PGC > wrote: >>> >>> >>> What could be a "wrong" thesis about Watson and/or Holmes? >> >> Good question. It would be like making a summary of a

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

> On 1 Mar 2020, at 15:13, PGC wrote: > > > > On Sunday, March 1, 2020 at 2:57:34 PM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 1 Mar 2020, at 09:12, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Saturday, February 29, 2020 at 6:12:11 PM UTC-6, PGC wrote: >> >> >> On Saturday, February 29, 2020 at

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

> On 1 Mar 2020, at 15:03, PGC wrote: > > > > On Sunday, March 1, 2020 at 2:44:05 PM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 29 Feb 2020, at 13:43, PGC > wrote: >> >> >> >> On Saturday, February 29, 2020 at 10:04:16 AM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 29 Feb 2020, at 03:45, 'Brent

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

On Sunday, March 1, 2020 at 8:02:41 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 28 Feb 2020, at 19:32, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > >> >> *Real computing is computing voided of Platonism.* >> >> >> https://codicalist.wordpress.com/2018/09/30/real-computationalism/ >> >> >> Take arithmetic (encoded

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

On Sunday, March 1, 2020 at 3:54:41 PM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 29 Feb 2020, at 03:45, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everyth...@googlegroups.com > wrote: > > > > On 2/28/2020 5:56 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 28 Feb 2020, at 13:05, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > Only

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

> On 29 Feb 2020, at 03:45, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 2/28/2020 5:56 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 28 Feb 2020, at 13:05, Philip Thrift >> > wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> Only Platonists jump to a belief that there is a ghostly

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

On Sunday, March 1, 2020 at 3:09:31 PM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 28 Feb 2020, at 18:38, PGC > wrote: > >> >>> >> What could be a "wrong" thesis about Watson and/or Holmes? >> >> >> Good question. It would be like making a summary of a novel, which would >> be wrong. If you say

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

On Sunday, March 1, 2020 at 2:57:34 PM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 1 Mar 2020, at 09:12, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Saturday, February 29, 2020 at 6:12:11 PM UTC-6, PGC wrote: >> >> >> >> On Saturday, February 29, 2020 at 6:13:24 PM UTC+1, Brent wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

> On 28 Feb 2020, at 18:38, PGC wrote: > > > > On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 9:08:25 AM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 27 Feb 2020, at 21:01, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, February 27, 2020 at 6:11:49 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> > On 26 Feb 2020, at

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

> On 28 Feb 2020, at 19:32, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 7:56:23 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 28 Feb 2020, at 13:05, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 2:01:22 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 27 Feb

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

On Sunday, March 1, 2020 at 2:44:05 PM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 29 Feb 2020, at 13:43, PGC > wrote: > > > > On Saturday, February 29, 2020 at 10:04:16 AM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 29 Feb 2020, at 03:45, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < >>

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

> On 1 Mar 2020, at 09:12, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Saturday, February 29, 2020 at 6:12:11 PM UTC-6, PGC wrote: > > > On Saturday, February 29, 2020 at 6:13:24 PM UTC+1, Brent wrote: > > > On 2/29/2020 1:04 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 29 Feb 2020, at 03:45, 'Brent Meeker'

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

> On 29 Feb 2020, at 18:13, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 2/29/2020 1:04 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 29 Feb 2020, at 03:45, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >>> >> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 2/28/2020 5:56 AM,

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

> On 29 Feb 2020, at 13:43, PGC wrote: > > > > On Saturday, February 29, 2020 at 10:04:16 AM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 29 Feb 2020, at 03:45, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> On 2/28/2020 5:56 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> On 28 Feb 2020, at

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

On Saturday, February 29, 2020 at 6:12:11 PM UTC-6, PGC wrote: > > > > On Saturday, February 29, 2020 at 6:13:24 PM UTC+1, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 2/29/2020 1:04 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 29 Feb 2020, at 03:45, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < >> everyth...@googlegroups.com>

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

On Saturday, February 29, 2020 at 6:13:24 PM UTC+1, Brent wrote: > > > > On 2/29/2020 1:04 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 29 Feb 2020, at 03:45, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everyth...@googlegroups.com > wrote: > > > > On 2/28/2020 5:56 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 28 Feb 2020,

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

On 2/29/2020 1:04 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 29 Feb 2020, at 03:45, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: On 2/28/2020 5:56 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 28 Feb 2020, at 13:05, Philip Thrift > wrote: Only

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

On Saturday, February 29, 2020 at 10:04:16 AM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 29 Feb 2020, at 03:45, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everyth...@googlegroups.com > wrote: > > > > On 2/28/2020 5:56 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 28 Feb 2020, at 13:05, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > >

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

> On 29 Feb 2020, at 03:45, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 2/28/2020 5:56 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 28 Feb 2020, at 13:05, Philip Thrift >> > wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> Only Platonists jump to a belief that there is a ghostly

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

> On 29 Feb 2020, at 03:04, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 2/28/2020 12:04 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> On 27 Feb 2020, at 18:28, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 2/27/2020 4:11 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > On 26 Feb 2020, at

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

On 2/28/2020 5:56 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 28 Feb 2020, at 13:05, Philip Thrift > wrote: Only Platonists jump to a belief that there is a ghostly world of abstract entities called "numbers" that exists outside of matter (whether that matter is your

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

On 2/28/2020 12:14 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 28 Feb 2020, at 03:34, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: On Thursday, February 27, 2020 at 6:11:49 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > On 26 Feb 2020, at 21:36, 'Brent Meeker' via

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

On 2/28/2020 12:04 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 27 Feb 2020, at 18:28, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: On 2/27/2020 4:11 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 26 Feb 2020, at 21:36, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: On 2/26/2020 2:48 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Being sure

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 7:56:23 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 28 Feb 2020, at 13:05, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 2:01:22 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 27 Feb 2020, at 13:17, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wednesday,

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 9:08:25 AM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 27 Feb 2020, at 21:01, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Thursday, February 27, 2020 at 6:11:49 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> > On 26 Feb 2020, at 21:36, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < >>

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

> On 28 Feb 2020, at 13:05, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 2:01:22 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 27 Feb 2020, at 13:17, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, February 26, 2020 at 6:54:36 PM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> On

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 2:01:22 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 27 Feb 2020, at 13:17, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, February 26, 2020 at 6:54:36 PM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, February 26, 2020 at 1:36:49 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: >>> >>>

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

> On 28 Feb 2020, at 03:34, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > >> On Thursday, February 27, 2020 at 6:11:49 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> > On 26 Feb 2020, at 21:36, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >> > > wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > On 2/26/2020 2:48 AM, Bruno

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

> On 27 Feb 2020, at 21:01, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Thursday, February 27, 2020 at 6:11:49 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 26 Feb 2020, at 21:36, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > On 2/26/2020 2:48 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >>> Being

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

> On 27 Feb 2020, at 18:28, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 2/27/2020 4:11 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> On 26 Feb 2020, at 21:36, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 2/26/2020 2:48 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > Being sure of that

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

> On 27 Feb 2020, at 13:17, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, February 26, 2020 at 6:54:36 PM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > On Wednesday, February 26, 2020 at 1:36:49 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: > > > On 2/26/2020 2:48 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> Being sure of that sentence is

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

On Thursday, February 27, 2020 at 6:11:49 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > On 26 Feb 2020, at 21:36, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 2/26/2020 2:48 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>>   Being sure of that sentence is true, "Dr Watson was a friend

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

On Thursday, February 27, 2020 at 6:11:49 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > > On 26 Feb 2020, at 21:36, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everyth...@googlegroups.com > wrote: > > > > > > > > On 2/26/2020 2:48 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >>> Being sure of that sentence is true, "Dr

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

On 2/27/2020 4:11 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 26 Feb 2020, at 21:36, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: On 2/26/2020 2:48 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Being sure of that sentence is true, "Dr Watson was a friend of Sherlock Holmes." doesn't mean the things named in the sentence

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

On Thursday, February 27, 2020 at 1:16:17 PM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 26 Feb 2020, at 21:41, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everyth...@googlegroups.com > wrote: > > > > And we should be clear that what we are doing are assuming and > hypothesizing and reasoning about our

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

On Wednesday, February 26, 2020 at 6:54:36 PM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, February 26, 2020 at 1:36:49 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 2/26/2020 2:48 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> Being sure of that sentence is true, "Dr Watson was a friend of >> >> Sherlock

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

> On 26 Feb 2020, at 21:41, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 2/26/2020 3:02 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 25 Feb 2020, at 22:24, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >>> >> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 2/25/2020 4:06 AM,

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

> On 26 Feb 2020, at 21:36, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 2/26/2020 2:48 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> Being sure of that sentence is true, "Dr Watson was a friend of Sherlock >>> Holmes." doesn't mean the things named in the sentence exist. >> >> It certainly

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

On 2/26/2020 4:54 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: On Wednesday, February 26, 2020 at 1:36:49 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: On 2/26/2020 2:48 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>   Being sure of that sentence is true, "Dr Watson was a friend of >> Sherlock Holmes." doesn't mean the things named in the

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

On Wednesday, February 26, 2020 at 1:36:49 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: > > > > On 2/26/2020 2:48 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> Being sure of that sentence is true, "Dr Watson was a friend of > >> Sherlock Holmes." doesn't mean the things named in the sentence exist. > > > > It certainly means

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

On 2/26/2020 3:02 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 25 Feb 2020, at 22:24, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: On 2/25/2020 4:06 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 24 Feb 2020, at 03:29, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

On 2/26/2020 2:48 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:   Being sure of that sentence is true, "Dr Watson was a friend of Sherlock Holmes." doesn't mean the things named in the sentence exist. It certainly means that Watson and Homes exist, in some sense. The question is “is that sense interesting with

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

On Wednesday, February 26, 2020 at 12:02:23 PM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 25 Feb 2020, at 22:24, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everyth...@googlegroups.com > wrote: > > > > > Definitions are in words. How do you define the words. As JKC correctly > points out, examples are

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

> On 25 Feb 2020, at 22:24, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 2/25/2020 4:06 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 24 Feb 2020, at 03:29, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >>> >> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 2/23/2020 6:17 AM,

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

> On 25 Feb 2020, at 21:58, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 2/25/2020 3:43 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 24 Feb 2020, at 03:43, Alan Grayson >> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sunday, February 23, 2020 at 7:29:26 PM UTC-7, Brent

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

On 2/25/2020 4:06 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 24 Feb 2020, at 03:29, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: On 2/23/2020 6:17 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 23 Feb 2020, at 01:12, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

On 2/25/2020 3:43 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 24 Feb 2020, at 03:43, Alan Grayson > wrote: On Sunday, February 23, 2020 at 7:29:26 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: On 2/23/2020 6:17 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 23 Feb 2020, at 01:12, 'Brent Meeker' via

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

On 2/25/2020 12:18 AM, Alan Grayson wrote: *I'm referring to the argument of those who claim the Peano's Axioms don't imply arithmetic (when IMO, they obviously do).  How does that argument go?AG * Dunno.  How do such arguments go? Brent *Concerning PA, Peano's

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

On Tuesday, February 25, 2020 at 1:17:10 PM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 24 Feb 2020, at 11:56, Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > > On Sunday, February 23, 2020 at 7:47:41 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 22 Feb 2020, at 18:40, PGC wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, February 20, 2020

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

> On 24 Feb 2020, at 11:56, Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > > On Sunday, February 23, 2020 at 7:47:41 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 22 Feb 2020, at 18:40, PGC > wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 1:55:39 PM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 20 Feb 2020, at

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

> On 24 Feb 2020, at 05:47, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 2/23/2020 6:43 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> On Sunday, February 23, 2020 at 7:29:26 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: >> >> >> On 2/23/2020 6:17 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> On 23 Feb 2020, at 01:12, 'Brent

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

> On 24 Feb 2020, at 03:29, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 2/23/2020 6:17 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 23 Feb 2020, at 01:12, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >>> >> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 2/22/2020 3:52 PM,

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

> On 25 Feb 2020, at 09:18, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Monday, February 24, 2020 at 8:13:25 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: > > > On 2/24/2020 6:28 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> On Monday, February 24, 2020 at 6:24:12 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: >> >> >> On 2/24/2020 4:50 PM, Alan Grayson

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

> On 25 Feb 2020, at 01:50, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Sunday, February 23, 2020 at 9:47:36 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: > > > On 2/23/2020 6:43 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> On Sunday, February 23, 2020 at 7:29:26 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: >> >> >> On 2/23/2020 6:17 AM, Bruno Marchal

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

> On 24 Feb 2020, at 03:43, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Sunday, February 23, 2020 at 7:29:26 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: > > > On 2/23/2020 6:17 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 23 Feb 2020, at 01:12, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >>> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 2/22/2020 3:52 PM,

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

On Monday, February 24, 2020 at 8:13:25 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: > > > > On 2/24/2020 6:28 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Monday, February 24, 2020 at 6:24:12 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 2/24/2020 4:50 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> *ISTM that Peano's Postulates clearly imply

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

On 2/24/2020 6:28 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: On Monday, February 24, 2020 at 6:24:12 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: On 2/24/2020 4:50 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: *ISTM that Peano's Postulates clearly imply positive and negative integers, zero, and arithmetic. What's the contrary argument?

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

On Monday, February 24, 2020 at 6:24:12 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: > > > > On 2/24/2020 4:50 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: > > *ISTM that Peano's Postulates clearly imply positive and negative > integers, zero, and arithmetic. What's the contrary argument? TIA, AG * > > > Contrary to what? > > Brent >

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

On 2/24/2020 4:50 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: *ISTM that Peano's Postulates clearly imply positive and negative integers, zero, and arithmetic. What's the contrary argument? TIA, AG * Contrary to what? Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

On Sunday, February 23, 2020 at 9:47:36 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: > > > > On 2/23/2020 6:43 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Sunday, February 23, 2020 at 7:29:26 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 2/23/2020 6:17 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 23 Feb 2020, at 01:12, 'Brent Meeker' via

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

On Sunday, February 23, 2020 at 7:47:41 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 22 Feb 2020, at 18:40, PGC > wrote: > > > > On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 1:55:39 PM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 20 Feb 2020, at 01:20, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < >>

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

On Sunday, February 23, 2020 at 10:47:36 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > > On 2/23/2020 6:43 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Sunday, February 23, 2020 at 7:29:26 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 2/23/2020 6:17 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 23 Feb 2020, at 01:12, 'Brent Meeker' via

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

On 2/23/2020 6:43 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: On Sunday, February 23, 2020 at 7:29:26 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: On 2/23/2020 6:17 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 23 Feb 2020, at 01:12, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: On 2/22/2020 3:52 PM, Alan Grayson wrote:

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

On Sunday, February 23, 2020 at 7:29:26 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: > > > > On 2/23/2020 6:17 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 23 Feb 2020, at 01:12, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everyth...@googlegroups.com > wrote: > > > > On 2/22/2020 3:52 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Saturday,

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

On 2/23/2020 6:17 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 23 Feb 2020, at 01:12, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: On 2/22/2020 3:52 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: On Saturday, February 22, 2020 at 10:40:12 AM UTC-7, PGC wrote: On Thursday,

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

On Sunday, February 23, 2020 at 3:17:57 PM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 23 Feb 2020, at 01:12, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everyth...@googlegroups.com > wrote: > > > > On 2/22/2020 3:52 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: > > Why the incompatibility? Bruno? TIA, AG > > > Bruno's a

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

> On 23 Feb 2020, at 01:12, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 2/22/2020 3:52 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> On Saturday, February 22, 2020 at 10:40:12 AM UTC-7, PGC wrote: >> >> >> On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 1:55:39 PM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

> On 23 Feb 2020, at 00:52, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Saturday, February 22, 2020 at 10:40:12 AM UTC-7, PGC wrote: > > > On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 1:55:39 PM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 20 Feb 2020, at 01:20, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >> > wrote: >> >> >>

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

> On 22 Feb 2020, at 18:40, PGC wrote: > > > > On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 1:55:39 PM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 20 Feb 2020, at 01:20, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> On 2/19/2020 12:15 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: >>> >>> >>> Wittgenstein is at

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

> On 20 Feb 2020, at 15:58, Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > > It is not so simple. Language as with any symbolic system is incomplete. Yes, but with first order logic, we get at least that what is provable is satisfied in all models (soundness), and vice versa (completeness). Then

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> On 20 Feb 2020, at 12:50, Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > > Daniel Dennett said that Alan Turing gave us the computer and Wittgenstein > gave us Wittgenstein. Though to be fair Wittgenstein did point to how > language has this inherent aspect of ambiguity, though his mission was to try > to

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On 2/22/2020 3:52 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: On Saturday, February 22, 2020 at 10:40:12 AM UTC-7, PGC wrote: On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 1:55:39 PM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 20 Feb 2020, at 01:20, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: On

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On Saturday, February 22, 2020 at 10:40:12 AM UTC-7, PGC wrote: > > > > On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 1:55:39 PM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 20 Feb 2020, at 01:20, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < >> everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> On 2/19/2020 12:15 PM,

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 1:55:39 PM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 20 Feb 2020, at 01:20, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everyth...@googlegroups.com > wrote: > > > > On 2/19/2020 12:15 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > Wittgenstein is at the core really of *linguistic

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

On Friday, February 21, 2020 at 5:18:05 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > > On 2/21/2020 1:16 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Friday, February 21, 2020 at 2:33:12 PM UTC-6, Lawrence Crowell wrote: >> >> On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 1:56:02 PM UTC-6, Philip Thrift wrote: >>> >>> >>> On

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On 2/21/2020 1:16 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: On Friday, February 21, 2020 at 2:33:12 PM UTC-6, Lawrence Crowell wrote: On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 1:56:02 PM UTC-6, Philip Thrift wrote: On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 8:58:15 AM UTC-6, Lawrence Crowell wrote:

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

On Friday, February 21, 2020 at 2:33:12 PM UTC-6, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 1:56:02 PM UTC-6, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 8:58:15 AM UTC-6, Lawrence Crowell >> wrote: >>> >>> It is not so simple. Language as with any

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On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 1:56:02 PM UTC-6, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 8:58:15 AM UTC-6, Lawrence Crowell wrote: >> >> It is not so simple. Language as with any symbolic system is incomplete. >> So any symbolic structure will by Gödel's theorem be

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 8:58:15 AM UTC-6, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > It is not so simple. Language as with any symbolic system is incomplete. > So any symbolic structure will by Gödel's theorem be incapable of proving > it's consistency. Wittgenstein seemed to recognize this and

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It is not so simple. Language as with any symbolic system is incomplete. So any symbolic structure will by Gödel's theorem be incapable of proving it's consistency. Wittgenstein seemed to recognize this and backed away from his Tractus. Even with basic physics we have F = ma, which has a

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> On 20 Feb 2020, at 01:20, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 2/19/2020 12:15 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> Wittgenstein is at the core really of linguistic pragmatism >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neopragmatism >>

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> On 20 Feb 2020, at 01:20, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 2/19/2020 12:15 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> Wittgenstein is at the core really of linguistic pragmatism >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neopragmatism >>

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To be short, I agree with this for the applied part of philosophy. Maybe that is religion. But he is wrong for metaphysics or theology, which, like physics have an important theoretical counterpart, and it is only due to the stealing of theology by the tyran that we have forgotten this. It is

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

Wittgenstein (*language games*) like Derrida (*writing games*) [ https://www.bu.edu/wcp/Papers/Lang/LangOrba.htm ] exposes the *ambiguity* and*

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

Daniel Dennett said that Alan Turing gave us the computer and Wittgenstein gave us Wittgenstein. Though to be fair Wittgenstein did point to how language has this inherent aspect of ambiguity, though his mission was to try to remove such ambiguities from philosophy by clarification of

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 6:20:14 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > > On 2/19/2020 12:15 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > Wittgenstein is at the core really of *linguistic pragmatism * > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neopragmatism > > Languages are tools. There is no truth "out

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What I mean is, "consciousness exists" cannot be denied, in any context. On Wed, Feb 19, 2020, 11:00 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > But it is the same as 'Consciousness exists'. The "true" is otiose; and > probably the "exists" too. > > Brent

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But it is the same as 'Consciousness exists'.  The "true" is otiose; and probably the "exists" too. Brent On 2/19/2020 7:16 PM, Terren Suydam wrote: That's my view as well. However, the original article made reference to "absolute truth", and whether that concept is sensible. Thinking of

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That's my view as well. However, the original article made reference to "absolute truth", and whether that concept is sensible. Thinking of Descartes' famous "I think, therefore I am", the word "I" is suspect, but we can do away with that and say it's absolutely true that "consciousness exists",

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On 2/19/2020 12:15 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: Wittgenstein is at the core really of *linguistic pragmatism * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neopragmatism Languages are tools. There is no truth "out there". My view is that "true" means different things in different contexts.  Tacked onto a

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

Wittgenstein is at the core really of *linguistic pragmatism * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neopragmatism Languages are tools. There is no truth "out there". Philosophers are merely a type of *programming language theorists*.

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