On Saturday, September 29, 2012 2:14:34 PM UTC-4, stathisp wrote:
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> On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 1:49 PM, Craig Weinberg
> >
> wrote:
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> > The spark plugs don't fire in response to the will of the driver, the
> brain
> > does. This isn't magic, this is the ordinary process by which we
> parti
On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 1:49 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
> The spark plugs don't fire in response to the will of the driver, the brain
> does. This isn't magic, this is the ordinary process by which we participate
> in the world in every waking moment of our lives. It is not the same.
> Building a
ger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
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On 27 Sep 2012, at 15:08, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 6:06 PM, Bruno Marchal
> wrote:
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>> You can approximate consciousness by "belief in self-consistency&qu
On Thursday, September 27, 2012 11:29:12 PM UTC-4, stathisp wrote:
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> On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 12:52 PM, Craig Weinberg
> >
> wrote:
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> >> If physics cannot predict even in theory when the neurons will fire
> >> then *by definition* the neurons behave contrary to physics.
> >
> >
> > If t
On 9/27/2012 10:52 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Thursday, September 27, 2012 7:45:07 PM UTC-4, stathisp wrote:
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 11:30 PM, Craig Weinberg
> wrote:
>> I object to the idea that consciousness will cause a brain or
other
>> machine to behave in a way not
On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 12:52 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
>> If physics cannot predict even in theory when the neurons will fire
>> then *by definition* the neurons behave contrary to physics.
>
>
> If the neurons fire based on the participation of a personal identity in
> response to events in a p
On Thursday, September 27, 2012 7:45:07 PM UTC-4, stathisp wrote:
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> On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 11:30 PM, Craig Weinberg
> >
> wrote:
>
> >> I object to the idea that consciousness will cause a brain or other
> >> machine to behave in a way not predictable by purely physical laws.
> >> Some pe
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 11:30 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
>> I object to the idea that consciousness will cause a brain or other
>> machine to behave in a way not predictable by purely physical laws.
>> Some people, like Craig Weinberg, seem to believe that this is
>> possible but it is contrary to
On 27 Sep 2012, at 15:08, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 6:06 PM, Bruno Marchal
wrote:
You can approximate consciousness by "belief in self-consistency".
This has
already a "causal efficacy", notably a relative self-speeding
ability (by
Gödel "length of proof" theore
On 9/27/2012 10:22 AM, Jason Resch wrote:
I think the only difference in what you are saying and what I am
saying, is I say look the zombies can do these things (by their
definition), so they must be conscious and there is the inconsistency,
whereas you say zombies cannot do these things since
On 9/27/2012 10:22 AM, Jason Resch wrote:
This is to equate reasoning to automatically following an
algorithm. This implies perfect predictability at some level and
thus the absence of any 1p only aspects. Additionally, the recipe
is some thng that needs explanation. How was it f
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 7:49 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 1:29 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
>
> > But can you separate the consciousness from that sequence of physical
> events
> > or not? There are multiple levels involved here and you may be missing
> the
> > forest for t
On Thursday, September 27, 2012 9:09:12 AM UTC-4, stathisp wrote:
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> On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 6:06 PM, Bruno Marchal
> >
> wrote:
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> > You can approximate consciousness by "belief in self-consistency". This
> has
> > already a "causal efficacy", notably a relative self-speeding ability
> (
On Thursday, September 27, 2012 1:01:12 AM UTC-4, Jason wrote:
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> On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 11:09 PM, Stephen P. King
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> > wrote:
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>> On 9/26/2012 11:29 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
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>> On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 9:24 PM, Stathis Papaioannou
>>
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 a
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 6:06 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
> You can approximate consciousness by "belief in self-consistency". This has
> already a "causal efficacy", notably a relative self-speeding ability (by
> Gödel "length of proof" theorem). But "belief in self-consistency" is pure
> 3p, and is
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 1:29 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
> But can you separate the consciousness from that sequence of physical events
> or not? There are multiple levels involved here and you may be missing the
> forest for the trees by focusing only on the atoms. Saying the
> consciousness is irr
On 27 Sep 2012, at 04:24, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 3:34 PM, Jason Resch
wrote:
If it has no causal efficacy, what causes someone to talk about the
pain
they are experiencing? Is it all coincidental?
There is a sequence of physical events from the application
On 26 Sep 2012, at 19:37, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Wednesday, September 26, 2012 3:45:09 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal
wrote:
On 25 Sep 2012, at 19:03, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 4:43:29 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 25 Sep 2012, at 05:45, Stathis Papaioannou
On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 11:09 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
> On 9/26/2012 11:29 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 9:24 PM, Stathis Papaioannou
> wrote:
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>> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 3:34 PM, Jason Resch
>> wrote:
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>> > If it has no causal efficacy, what causes someone to tal
On 9/26/2012 11:29 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 9:24 PM, Stathis Papaioannou
mailto:stath...@gmail.com>> wrote:
On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 3:34 PM, Jason Resch mailto:jasonre...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> If it has no causal efficacy, what causes someone to talk about
t
On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 9:24 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 3:34 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
>
> > If it has no causal efficacy, what causes someone to talk about the pain
> > they are experiencing? Is it all coincidental?
>
> There is a sequence of physical events from the
On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 3:34 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
> If it has no causal efficacy, what causes someone to talk about the pain
> they are experiencing? Is it all coincidental?
There is a sequence of physical events from the application of the
painful stimulus to the subject saying "that hurts",
On Wednesday, September 26, 2012 3:45:09 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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>
> On 25 Sep 2012, at 19:03, Craig Weinberg wrote:
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> On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 4:43:29 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 25 Sep 2012, at 05:45, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
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>> > On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 a
On 25 Sep 2012, at 19:03, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 4:43:29 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 25 Sep 2012, at 05:45, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 12:00 AM, Jason Resch
> wrote:
>
>> Pain is anything but epiphenomenal. The fact that someon
On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 4:43:29 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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> On 25 Sep 2012, at 05:45, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
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> > On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 12:00 AM, Jason Resch
> > >
>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Pain is anything but epiphenomenal. The fact that someone is able
> >> to ta
On 25 Sep 2012, at 05:45, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 12:00 AM, Jason Resch
wrote:
Pain is anything but epiphenomenal. The fact that someone is able
to talk about it rules out it being an epiphenomenon.
The behaviour - talking about the pain - could be explained
On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 10:45 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 12:00 AM, Jason Resch
> wrote:
>
> > Pain is anything but epiphenomenal. The fact that someone is able to
> talk about it rules out it being an epiphenomenon.
>
> The behaviour - talking about the pain - could
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 12:00 AM, Jason Resch wrote:
> Pain is anything but epiphenomenal. The fact that someone is able to talk
> about it rules out it being an epiphenomenon.
The behaviour - talking about the pain - could be explained entirely
as a sequence of physical events, without any hi
On Wednesday, September 19, 2012 1:10:10 PM UTC-4, Jason wrote:
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>
>
> I didn't mean to say that any information can be functionally useful
>> without qualia, only that there is a proof of concept for the principle
>> that some information can be used functionally without qualia. This is why
On 9/20/2012 9:45 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Thursday, September 20, 2012 9:23:08 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King
wrote:
On 9/20/2012 12:05 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
snip
Hi Craig,
You need to show how we can get some kind of closure in the
map for this to work... O
On Thursday, September 20, 2012 9:23:08 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote:
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> On 9/20/2012 12:05 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
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>
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> On Thursday, September 20, 2012 11:55:27 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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>>
>> On 20 Sep 2012, at 16:47, Craig Weinberg wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, Septem
On 9/20/2012 12:05 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Thursday, September 20, 2012 11:55:27 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 20 Sep 2012, at 16:47, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Thursday, September 20, 2012 10:14:25 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal
wrote:
On 20 Sep 2012, at 14:27, Crai
On 9/20/2012 7:14 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 20 Sep 2012, at 14:27, Craig Weinberg wrote:
Because we know for a fact that our consciousness correlates with neural
activity ...
We don't know that. It is a theory, a belief, an assumption, ...
Some people have believed that consciousness cor
On Thursday, September 20, 2012 11:55:27 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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>
> On 20 Sep 2012, at 16:47, Craig Weinberg wrote:
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>
>
> On Thursday, September 20, 2012 10:14:25 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 20 Sep 2012, at 14:27, Craig Weinberg wrote:
>>
>> Because we know for a fact t
On 20 Sep 2012, at 16:47, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Thursday, September 20, 2012 10:14:25 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal
wrote:
On 20 Sep 2012, at 14:27, Craig Weinberg wrote:
Because we know for a fact that our consciousness correlates with
neural activity ...
We don't know that. It is a th
On Thursday, September 20, 2012 10:14:25 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>
>
> On 20 Sep 2012, at 14:27, Craig Weinberg wrote:
>
> Because we know for a fact that our consciousness correlates with neural
> activity ...
>
>
> We don't know that. It is a theory, a belief, an assumption, ...
>
> Som
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On 20 Sep 2012, at 12:03, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Jason Resch
Pr
On 20 Sep 2012, at 14:27, Craig Weinberg wrote:
Because we know for a fact that our consciousness correlates with
neural activity ...
We don't know that. It is a theory, a belief, an assumption, ...
Some people have believed that consciousness correlates to the state
of the liver.
We ne
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On 20 Sep 2012, at 12:03, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Jason Resch
Pragmatically speaking, the self has to be a singular, focussed point.
I have trouble un
On Thursday, September 20, 2012 2:28:05 AM UTC-4, Jason wrote:
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>
>
> On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
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>> oof, this is getting too long. truncation ahoy... the upgraded Google
>> Groups keeps spontaneously disposing of my writings.
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 19, 20
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Subject: Re: Bruno's Restaurant
On Sep 19, 2012, at 8:02 AM, "Roger Clough"
wrote:
> Hi Jason Resch
>
> My ionterpretation of the result of the brain splitting on
> pain pe
oody Allen
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On Sep 19, 2012, at 8:02 AM, "Roger Clough" wrote:
> Hi Jason Resch
>
> My ionterpretation of the resul
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
> oof, this is getting too long. truncation ahoy... the upgraded Google
> Groups keeps spontaneously disposing of my writings.
>
>
> On Wednesday, September 19, 2012 1:10:10 PM UTC-4, Jason wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes and no. I think if we are bein
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> Yes and no. I think if we are being precise, we have to admit that there
> is something about the nat
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On Sep 18, 2012, at 12:53 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 9/18/2012 10:31 AM, Jason Resch wrote:
No it is absolutely necessary. If you had no knowledge reg
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On Wednesday, September 19, 2012 9:10:43 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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> On 18 Sep 2012, at 18:05, Craig Weinberg wrote:
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>
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> On Tuesday, September 18, 2012 11:02:21 AM UTC-4, Jason wrote:
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>>
>>
>>> My hypothesis is that human qualia is an iconic capitulation of
>>> sub-personal and s
On 18 Sep 2012, at 18:05, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Tuesday, September 18, 2012 11:02:21 AM UTC-4, Jason wrote:
My hypothesis is that human qualia is an iconic capitulation of sub-
personal and super-personal qualia - meta qualia which
synergistically recovers richer qualities of experien
Hi Jason Resch
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we "feel".
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On Tuesday, September 18, 2012 2:16:25 PM UTC-4, Jason wrote:
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>
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> On Sep 18, 2012, at 12:53 PM, meekerdb >
> wrote:
>
> On 9/18/2012 10:31 AM, Jason Resch wrote:
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> No it is absolutely necessary. If you had no knowledge regarding what you
> were seeing, no qualia at all, you would be bli
On Sep 18, 2012, at 12:53 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 9/18/2012 10:31 AM, Jason Resch wrote:
No it is absolutely necessary. If you had no knowledge regarding
what you were seeing, no qualia at all, you would be blind and
dysfunctional.
You might cite blund sighr as a counter example, but
On 9/18/2012 10:31 AM, Jason Resch wrote:
No it is absolutely necessary. If you had no knowledge regarding what you were seeing,
no qualia at all, you would be blind and dysfunctional.
You might cite blund sighr as a counter example, but actually i think it is evidence of
modularity if mind.
On Sep 18, 2012, at 10:38 AM, Craig Weinberg
wrote:
On Tuesday, September 18, 2012 10:29:44 AM UTC-4, Jason wrote:
Here is an example:
Functional MRI scans have indicated that an area of the brain,
called the anterior cingulate cortex, processes pain information to
determine how a
On Tuesday, September 18, 2012 12:09:54 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote:
>
> On 9/18/2012 9:05 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
>
> My hypothesis is that human qualia is an iconic capitulation of
>>> sub-personal and super-personal qualia - meta qualia which synergistically
>>> recovers richer qualities of
On 9/18/2012 9:05 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
My hypothesis is that human qualia is an iconic capitulation of
sub-personal and
super-personal qualia - meta qualia which synergistically recovers
richer
qualities of experience from the Totality.
Okay. But it will rem
On Tuesday, September 18, 2012 11:02:21 AM UTC-4, Jason wrote:
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>
>
>> My hypothesis is that human qualia is an iconic capitulation of
>> sub-personal and super-personal qualia - meta qualia which synergistically
>> recovers richer qualities of experience from the Totality.
>>
>
> Okay. But
On Tuesday, September 18, 2012 10:29:44 AM UTC-4, Jason wrote:
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>
> Here is an example:
>
>
> Functional MRI scans have indicated that an area of the brain, called the
> *anterior cingulate cortex*, processes pain information to determine how
> a person is affected. Severing the link to this p
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 9:37 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
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> On Tuesday, September 18, 2012 2:02:20 AM UTC-4, Jason wrote:
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>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 6:07 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
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>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, September 17, 2012 5:44:16 PM UTC-4, Jason wrote:
On Sep 17, 20
On Tuesday, September 18, 2012 2:02:20 AM UTC-4, Jason wrote:
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> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 6:07 PM, Craig Weinberg
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> > wrote:
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>> On Monday, September 17, 2012 5:44:16 PM UTC-4, Jason wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 17, 2012, at 3:26 PM, "Stephen P. King"
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > On
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 7:31 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
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> On Tuesday, September 18, 2012 1:50:47 AM UTC-4, Jason wrote:
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>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 6:10 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
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>>> I think that comp is almost true, except for when applied to
>>> consciousness itself, in which case i
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On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 5:41 AM, Stephen P. King wrote:
> On 9/18/2012 12:25 AM, Terren Suydam wrote:
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>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 6:37 PM, Stephen P. King
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Terren,
>>>
>>> "Comp is false" is too strong. He is explaining how comp is
>>> "incomplete". The movie graph argume
On Tuesday, September 18, 2012 1:50:47 AM UTC-4, Jason wrote:
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>
>
> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 6:10 PM, Craig Weinberg
>
> > wrote:
>
>> I think that comp is almost true, except for when applied to
>> consciousness itself, in which case it is exactly false. I wasn't asserting
>> it so much as
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On 9/18/2012 12:25 AM, Terren Suydam wrote:
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 6:37 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
Hi Terren,
"Comp is false" is too strong. He is explaining how comp is
"incomplete". The movie graph argument is flawed.
I'm not sure what that means, that comp is incomplete. You either
s
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 6:07 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
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>
> On Monday, September 17, 2012 5:44:16 PM UTC-4, Jason wrote:
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>>
>>
>> On Sep 17, 2012, at 3:26 PM, "Stephen P. King"
>> wrote:
>>
>> > On 9/17/2012 1:20 PM, Terren Suydam wrote:
>> >> Stephen - the Matrix video is a faithful interpre
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 6:10 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
> I think that comp is almost true, except for when applied to consciousness
> itself, in which case it is exactly false. I wasn't asserting it so much as
> I was illustrating exactly why that is the case. Does anyone have any
> common sense a
I don't think there is much in the way of "common sense" if you want
an explanation of consciousness from comp. I think it is fairly
non-intuitive. The mainstream account which holds both comp and
materialism doesn't address it. The only account I know of that
explains consciousness from comp is B
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 6:37 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
> Hi Terren,
>
> "Comp is false" is too strong. He is explaining how comp is
> "incomplete". The movie graph argument is flawed.
I'm not sure what that means, that comp is incomplete. You either
start from the assumption that your consci
I think that comp is almost true, except for when applied to consciousness
itself, in which case it is exactly false. I wasn't asserting it so much as
I was illustrating exactly why that is the case. Does anyone have any
common sense analogy or story which makes sense of comp as a generator of
On Monday, September 17, 2012 5:44:16 PM UTC-4, Jason wrote:
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>
>
> On Sep 17, 2012, at 3:26 PM, "Stephen P. King"
> >
>
> wrote:
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> > On 9/17/2012 1:20 PM, Terren Suydam wrote:
> >> Stephen - the Matrix video is a faithful interpretation of comp, but
> >> Craig's story is not, unless h
On 9/17/2012 5:41 PM, Terren Suydam wrote:
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 4:26 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 9/17/2012 1:20 PM, Terren Suydam wrote:
Stephen - the Matrix video is a faithful interpretation of comp, but
Craig's story is not, unless he includes the crucial narrative - that
of the simula
On Sep 17, 2012, at 3:26 PM, "Stephen P. King"
wrote:
On 9/17/2012 1:20 PM, Terren Suydam wrote:
Stephen - the Matrix video is a faithful interpretation of comp, but
Craig's story is not, unless he includes the crucial narrative - that
of the simulated Craig eating the simulated meal. I e
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 4:26 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
> On 9/17/2012 1:20 PM, Terren Suydam wrote:
>>
>> Stephen - the Matrix video is a faithful interpretation of comp, but
>> Craig's story is not, unless he includes the crucial narrative - that
>> of the simulated Craig eating the simulated me
On 9/17/2012 1:20 PM, Terren Suydam wrote:
Stephen - the Matrix video is a faithful interpretation of comp, but
Craig's story is not, unless he includes the crucial narrative - that
of the simulated Craig eating the simulated meal. I expect Craig to
say that the simulated Craig, the one making th
On Monday, September 17, 2012 1:20:10 PM UTC-4, Terren Suydam wrote:
>
> Stephen - the Matrix video is a faithful interpretation of comp, but
> Craig's story is not, unless he includes the crucial narrative - that
> of the simulated Craig eating the simulated meal. I expect Craig to
> say that
Stephen - the Matrix video is a faithful interpretation of comp, but
Craig's story is not, unless he includes the crucial narrative - that
of the simulated Craig eating the simulated meal. I expect Craig to
say that the simulated Craig, the one making the yummy noises, is a
zombie, and has no actua
On 9/16/2012 9:29 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
Background: After refusing to serve Bruno's brother in law with the
simulated brain at my restaurant, I decide to make peace by inviting
myself to go along with Brother in law B1ll to his favorite restaurant.
"It's the best in the city!", says B1ll.
Background: After refusing to serve Bruno's brother in law with the
simulated brain at my restaurant, I decide to make peace by inviting myself
to go along with Brother in law B1ll to his favorite restaurant.
"It's the best in the city!", says B1ll.
"That sounds great, because I am really hung
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