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Re: [Felvtalk] ringworm

2013-02-24 Thread Kathryn Hargreaves

You could also use the natural remedies found on holisticat.com.


On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 9:10 AM, gcru...@centurytel.net wrote:

   I use the Walmart Equate brand of Athlete’s Foot cream it is 1%
 Clotrimazole and has always worked for my cats, have used it many times.
 Just apply a couple of times a day, no mess, no smell and it is cheap.  If
 they have quite a lot of ringworm, I woiuld also bathe them with Nizoral
 shampoo, not to expensive and available in the dandruff shampoo area at
 Walmart.

 Gary

  *From:* Elizabeth Ann Bodden elizab...@toonces.org
 *Sent:* Wednesday, February 13, 2013 10:16 AM
 *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 *Subject:* [Felvtalk] ringworm

 Does anyone have tips on how to get rid of ringworm on a felv positive
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If you can't bottle feed, then foster an older animal, to save their life,
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Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% (and as high as 99%)
of their intake by implementing the No Kill Equation. No Kill Quick Facts:
http://www.nathanwinograd.com/?p=11718

Here's the current growing list of communities saving 90% or more of their
shelter intake: http://www.no-killnews.com/ (see the right sidebar).

Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org

More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/

More fun watching: http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos especially
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Re: [Felvtalk] War on Cats and Others

2013-02-03 Thread Kathryn Hargreaves

Take heart:
http://www.npr.org/blogs/13.7/2013/02/03/170851048/do-we-really-know-that-cats-kill-by-the-billions-not-so-fast

On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 1:41 AM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote:

There is so much nonsense, mythology and prejudice going around when it
comes to diseases in general, whether cat, dog or human that it's a wonder
any of us survive the ignorance rather than the disease. An acquaintance of
mine was told by a licensed veterinarian that she needed to have her
healthy FIV+ cat euthanized because humans can catch it from cats. Meow? My
tenant, when I had a rent house, insisted that FIV was highly contagious
but FeLv was NOT. Tail backwards. People to this day refuse to hug a person
who is living with HIV but will shake hands with someone who has a horrid
head cold and get all chummy with people who are coughing all over the air.

Many veterinarians seem not to like cats to the point of finding reasons
to put them to death. Others are simply too lazy to study new theories of
medicine. In some cases, we have not traveled more than inches away from
dancing around the bonfire to banish evil spirits as a cure for illness.

Finally, we are now being treated to amazingly inflated statistics from
almost comic studies that produced the startling news that cats kill rats
and mice. Who would have thought!! Not just some rats and mice but toss in
moles, voles and gophers, not to mention those things with wings that
mostly fly. Stir with a hefty dose of sensationalism due to a slow news
day, and you come up with BILLIONS of small mammals and birds being
slaughtered and exterminated by feral cats. Please don't mention though
that humans have hunted dozens of species to extinction just to have a
head to hang on the wall or a rug for the floor, or as a way to stop male
sexual dysfunction, or to carve into little statues or furniture
(elephants) or just as a lovely delicacy to eat at a way overpriced fancy
restaurant. (shark fin soup and other disgusting dishes). Sometimes it
seems like humans will kill everything from snails to whales for the most
trivial or ridiculous reason. However, just let it be known that cats kill
mice and rats for a living and you have panic in the streets. Ah well, time
to get off my soap box and go to bed.

Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
neighbors too!

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If you can't bottle feed, then foster an older animal, to save their life,
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Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% (and as high as 99%)
of their intake by implementing the No Kill Equation. No Kill Quick Facts:
http://www.nathanwinograd.com/?p=11718

Here's the current growing list of communities saving 90% or more of their
shelter intake: http://www.no-killnews.com/ (see the right sidebar).

Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org

More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/

More fun watching: http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos especially
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Re: [Felvtalk] Pain meds for arthritis

2012-12-07 Thread Kathryn Hargreaves

Glucosomine can take months to work. It has to rebuild. Take a look at
Dr. Jean Hofve's page:
http://www.facekitty.com/2009/04/arthritis-in-cats-holistic-tre.html for
some interesting information, especially Creak-away. I was never happy
with the ingredients of GlycoFlex, so never gave it to any cats.

On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 3:39 AM, Tracey Shrout dtshr...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi all, I have a positive kitty, Abbey, who is about 5 years old. She is
very healthy except for having arthritis in her hip. I believe lack
of nutrition as a kitten caused the poor development of her bones. X-rays
showed her hip bone was very squared and was likely causing her limp. I
started her on GlycoFlexii chewable treats about 6 weeks ago. They have
glucosamine and other ingredients for joint support. Her limp hasn't
improved, and I think she may be in pain. I am so leary of putting her on
pain meds since she will surely have to be on them for life. I want to
start her out on the mildest possible meds. I don't think she'll let me
pill her either, that's why the soft chewables seemed to be ideal. She
doesn't have any teeth either...lost them all shortly after I got her.
Have any of you used anything that has no side effects that might work for
her?

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If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and
to free up cage space.

Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by
implementing the No Kill Equation:
http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/

Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities:
http://www.no-killnews.com/ (see the right sidebar)

Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org

More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/

More fun watching: http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos especially
http://vimeo.com/48445902

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Re: [Felvtalk] stomatitis

2012-12-03 Thread Kathryn Hargreaves

No Oxyfresh is a dental thing you put in pets' water:
http://www.oxyfresh.com/pet/petoralhygiene.asp

(Sent the protocol directly to her.)

On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 7:03 AM, dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com wrote:

Hi Kathryn: Can you give me the recipe for homeopathic remedy/diet for
feline stomatitis. I had it printed out but in the disuption of the
hurricane, I misplaced it. I do remember Oxyfresh in the water. Do you
mean, Oxiwash that we use in our laundry to help whiten it? How much? Is
it safe? How often?
I am giving Tiger CoQ10 as well as Vit C and L-Lysine daily. Thanks, Dot
(Freehold, NJ)

Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal!

If you can't adopt, then foster bottle baby shelter animal, to save their
life. Contact your local pound for information.
http://www.laanimalservices.com/volunteer_fostercare.htm

If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and
to free up cage space.

Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities:
http://www.no-killnews.com/ (see the right sidebar)

Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org

More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/

More fun watching: http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos especially
http://vimeo.com/48445902

Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home

2012-12-02 Thread Kathryn Hargreaves

Note that one can transition kits to the much healthier wet food (and then
healthy wet food, as opposed to Friskies, which is great for getting cats
to eat anything) by adding in a little of the desired stuff at a time while
subtracting the old stuff. Cats are instinctually fussy about food for a
good evolutionary reason. You can also putting really smelly bonito
flakes or tuna water on things they may otherwise not eat. I also use
freeze-dried liver or salmon or chicken or beef (from save sources, not
China), because it smells so strong. The nose is the gateway to a cat's
stomach.

Is there a way the vet can detect these possible lesions mentioned by
digegg?

The other Kathryn (call me Kathy).

On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 7:31 PM, Kathryn Green katsk...@gmail.com wrote:

THANK YOU! I will bring that possibility up w/the vet. In talking to
him on the phone he has come up with a few possibilities but I will
see what he thinks. I also notice that Oz is VERY leery of brooms.
Will even stop eating his morning canned food and run for shelter if I
start sweeping around his litter pan on the far side of the room. And
unlike Miss Kitty, Oz LOVES his canned food treat. I have to wonder
if he hasn't been clobbered/chased with a broom more than a few times.

Kat

dlg...@windstream.net wrote:

RE: Oz and his rear end. I had a stray that never wanted his rear
end touched. He died from urinary tract obstruction. The vet was
upset that he could not find anything to cause it so he did an
autopsy. He found adhesions all over inside his body, the kind that
come from being kicked across a room, very hard. He was a beautiful
champagne color Persian with the most loving personality. Maybe Oz
has some adhesions ?
Chris ti...@mindspring.com wrote:
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life. Contact your local pound for information.
http://www.laanimalservices.com/volunteer_fostercare.htm

If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and
to free up cage space.

Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities:
http://www.no-killnews.com/ (see the right sidebar)

Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org

More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/

More fun watching: http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos especially
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Re: [Felvtalk] Cats and 'Essential Oils'

2012-12-02 Thread Kathryn Hargreaves

Not sure if it was me, but here's one of my favorites:
http://holisticat.com/aromatherapy.html   Some contend that they are OK if
they are high-quality.   I would use hydrosols or flower essences instead,
just to be on the safe side.


On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 9:59 AM, Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote:

 A while back someone posted information on cautions using essential oils
 around cats.  I believe it was a link to a website with information.

 Dear whomever:  could you kindly repost that?

 Many thanks,

 Bonnie

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If you can't adopt, then foster bottle baby shelter animal, to save their
life.  Contact your local pound for information.
http://www.laanimalservices.com/volunteer_fostercare.htm

If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and
to free up cage space.


Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by
implementing the No Kill Equation:
http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/

Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities:
http://www.no-killnews.com/ (see the right sidebar)

Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org

More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/

More fun watching: http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos especially
http://vimeo.com/48445902



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Re: [Felvtalk] Leukemia Positive Cat

2012-11-26 Thread Kathryn Hargreaves

Don't just get the IFA, as they are skewed towards false negatives.
ELISAs are skewed towards false positives, so if you do the IFA, it would
be to reconcile with the ELISA.

On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 10:42 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote:

I don't much trust tests anyway but if you want to get a more accurate
test, in a month do the IFA test on him. I had an adult cat who tested
strong positive. I kept him for 3 months in a separate room, tested again
and it was negative but because he would be mixed in with my many rescues,
I had the IFA test done and it was also negative. Moses has been living
with 20 of my rescues for the past 6 years now.

Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
neighbors too!

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*From:* Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Sent:* Saturday, November 24, 2012 10:49 AM
*Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Leukemia Positive Cat

I have a 6 1/2 month old rescued kitten. He tested FelV pos. at
8 weeks old and I just had him tested again. This time the results
were a light pos. They told me it just barely turned positive on
the test. Would this indicate he is in the process of throwing off
the virus? I LOVE this kitten so much. He is such an affectionate
boy, and I'm praying I don't lose him. So many FelV positive cats
don't make it past aa year or so.

Lorrie

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If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and
to free up cage space.

Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities:
http://www.no-killnews.com/ (see the right sidebar)

Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org

More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/

More fun watching: http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos especially
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Re: [Felvtalk] Please remove me from your mailing list - thank you

2012-11-26 Thread Kathryn Hargreaves

You do that yourself by clicking on the bottom link of each Felvtalk
message and filling out the resulting form.


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If you can't adopt, then foster bottle baby shelter animal, to save their
life.  Contact your local pound for information.
http://www.laanimalservices.com/volunteer_fostercare.htm

If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and
to free up cage space.


Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by
implementing the No Kill Equation:
http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/

Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities:
http://www.no-killnews.com/ (see the right sidebar)

Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org

More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/

More fun watching: http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos especially
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Re: [Felvtalk] Spaying advice

2012-11-20 Thread Kathryn Hargreaves

Breeders have vasectomized males around to get their intact females out of
heat.


On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 5:40 PM, Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote:

 Someone would get a male cat a vasectomy?  Or have a female cat’s tubes
 tied?

 Wow…people are stupider than I thought…

 B.

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 *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
 Of *janine paton
 *Sent:* Tuesday, November 20, 2012 6:27 PM
 *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

 *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Spaying advice

 ** **

 The stress of an unspayed female is great, I think much greater than the
 spaying itself.  And it may be true that pyometria is more common in dogs,
 but boy have we seen plenty in outside cats, even young ones.  One couldn't
 have been more than a year old and we had no idea her slightly swollen
 belly was pyometria.  And have h ad a few with mammary cancer also.  Not
 worth it.  Use a decent vet and get your cat spayed!  

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 *From:* Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com
 *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 *Sent:* Tue, November 20, 2012 8:57:09 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Spaying advice

 Amen to that sister.  My cat Cookie, long ago, was borderline diabetic.
 The vet didn't want to subject her to anesthesia because he said she was an
 older cat and might develop full blown diabetes since she was on the edge.
 So I didn't have her spayed.  She went into her heat cycle several more
 times, then gave it up as a bad idea.  She lived an additional 5 years with
 me as a house feral. One day I noticed blood on her chair towel (I use
 towels to cover the plastic chairs in my house.  Everything here has to be
 washable).  I also noticed that Cookie was acting very lethargic.  I
 finally got her into a carrier.  At the clinic they flipped her over and I
 was horrified.  All her nipples were black, some were enlarged, two were
 bleeding.  She had severe mammary cancer.  The vet said she was probably in
 pain.  There was nothing I could do.  He gave her a pain injection.  She
 became drowsy and I allowed him to euthanize her.  I will NEVER NOT SPAY a
 cat.  Male cats can get prostate cancer.  There is no proven reason why
 cats and dogs can't be spayed and neutered.  Humans have the operation all
 the time for ovarian cancer and prostate cancer.  If physicians didn't do
 hysterectomies on women with cancer or with precancerous lesions the
 cancers would metastasize and more people would die.

 In addition, try and get an intact spraying male cat or howling female cat
 adopted.  It will just not work.

 Or, as an alternative, get the female's tubes tied and give the male a
 vasectomy and you still have all the mating behavior in addition to the
 operations costing almost a thousand dollars as opposed to spay/neuter that
 can be had for a cost as low as $15 including rabies shot.

 I want to add that my mother, a registered nurse at the time, forbade me
 to have any of our yard cats neutered or spayed citing the ridiculous
 argument that animals and people have to be left natural.  Consequently I
 allowed two intact cats to remain that way, filling my yard with 7 kittens
 who, although I didn't know it, were FeLv positive and active for the
 disease.  They all died.  Had I spayed and neutered mom and dad cat, I
 would have saved 7 kittens from being born and dying in illness and
 discomfort and possibly saved mom and dad cats from wandering away to
 spread the disease all over the neighborhood.

 ** **

  

 *Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
 neighbors too!*

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 *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 *Sent:* Tuesday, November 20, 2012 11:15 AM
 *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Spaying advice

 ** **

 I'm not going to start an argument over one study.
 Being in heat was very stressful on the one of the 1st FeLV cats I had.
 The spay was easy  she recovered quickly.
 My cats have all been spayed. We've had cats live well into their 20's -
 all spayed.
 Cats who still have their ovaries, which are responsible for heat cycles,
 are much more likely to develop mammary cancer.
 Cats ( dogs) can also develop an infection in their uterus (pyometra)
 from not being spayed..

 There is just not enough evidence out there to make me even think about
 not getting my cats, FeLV or not,  spayed.

 Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/*
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Re: [Felvtalk] Spaying advice

2012-11-19 Thread Kathryn Hargreaves

If that's the case, then why do dogs who retain their ovaries live a third
longer?There's more to the overall story than just local stresses:
http://www.gpmcf.org/respectovaries.html   American vet schools do not
teach any sterilizations other than spay/neuter.


On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 5:34 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote:

 My vet said being in heat is more stressful than the surgery. I would wait
 for the retest, though. If still positive have a full bloodwork panel done
 to make sure she is healthy, just as you would for a senior kitty.
 Hope all goes well.

 Beth

 Maryam Ulomi ava...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello everyone,
 
 We are looking at possibly spaying Kitty, our 5 months old FeLV rescued
 feral baby. She is currently on the lysine and living large in her own
 room, isolated from our other two cats, since she posted positive but we
 are retesting her at 6months, which should be in December.
 Should we retest first and then spay?
 Is there anything we should know/do to prepare ?
 
 Any suggestions are welcome
 
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If you can't adopt, then foster bottle baby shelter animal, to save their
life.  Contact your local pound for information.
http://www.laanimalservices.com/volunteer_fostercare.htm

If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and
to free up cage space.


Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by
implementing the No Kill Equation:
http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/

Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities:
http://www.no-killnews.com/ (see the right sidebar)

Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org

More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/

More fun watching: http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos especially
http://vimeo.com/48445902



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Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia in Desi (was STORM/REPLY LORRIE, 11/6 - Scents and other chemicals)

2012-11-08 Thread Kathryn Hargreaves

My vet gave my anemic cat B12 subQs, but he still needed a transfusion.
He was probably a lot more anemic, though. His blood looked like water
and he had a red blood cell parasite. Have you checked for that?

Here's a nice page (about which you probably already know) about anemia:
http://www.felinecrf.org/anaemia.htm

The short of it is, get some treatment fast.

On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 10:24 AM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote:

I am fostering one of my former colony cats. My friend is now feeding the
colony, which was hers to begin with but since I moved out of the county
and live 35 miles away, she has had to take back the care of the 7 colonies
with which I was helping her.

Desi, the cat I am now fostering has lost a lot of weight. My friend took
him to the vet and the cat has tested positive for FeLv. His PCV test is
at 10 and the vet doesn't hold out much hope for long term survival. In
addition, the vet felt a small mass near the cat's liver. However, what's
puzzling is that Desi is still eating, still grooming, his fur is shiny
like a healthy cat. His eyes were clear and bright last night but had a
little gunk on one cheek this morning. But they are still wide and bright
and he doesn't seem to be in any discomfort or pain. One thing though is
that he's weak. He walks slowly and sits down after a few steps but then
he gets up, rubs against me and then sits again. His belly is large but i
can feel his backbone when I stroke him. When I knew him as a street cat,
he was plump and active and mischievous. I have known him since he was a
half grown kitten. He was one of many black cats born to a black feral mom
cat in the colony but he was friendly to me and my rescue partner. When we
got them neutered, we did not test them for anything because we don't have
money for that. Desi is about 4 years old. The colony hangs out at an
office park.

I'm wondering if there's any way short of a transfusion to deal with his
anemia. I'm giving him Nutra Ved vitamins daily, .5 cc. twice a day. I
can't afford the transfusion and with a leukemia positive cat I don't feel
it would be wise or that any vet would be willing to do that.

Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
neighbors too!

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Re: [Felvtalk] STORM/REPLY LORRIE, 11/6

2012-11-07 Thread Kathryn Hargreaves

Dot,

Please don't use essential oils, even as aromatherapy, on cats, as it's
unclear, lacking as they do the liver enzymes that we have, whether or not
they can metabolize the toxins in them. Just putting him in a steamy
bathroom (in a carrier, so he won't jump into the tub---learned this the
very hard way) twice or three times a day for 20 minutes and he should be
good.

Also, 250 mg of Vitamin C (or up to loose stools, then back off) would help
with the congestion, as would N-A-C (Acetyl Cysteine, Acétyl Cystéine,
Acetylcysteine, Acétylcystéine, Chlorhydrate de Cystéine, Cysteine,
Cystéine, Cysteine Hydrochloride, Cystine, Hydrochlorure de Cystéine,
L-Cysteine, L-Cystéine, L-Cysteine HCl, L-Cystéine HCl, NAC), which is
really great at getting congestion out of the lungs (among many other
things). I've had kits clear up really fast with the latter.

Kathy
*
*

On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 3:09 PM, dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com wrote:

Hi Lorrie - I received your check in the mail. Thank you, thank you so
much and to everyone who helped out. Tiger was taken to the vet. He was
given to my sis in law but her ceiling caved in with the storm and shingles
blown off her roof so she gave him back to me temporarily. He has a cold,
(he is fev pos) and is having a hard time throwing it off. I have a
eucalyptus mister in my room that I run twice a day for him. He is on anti
b for the stomatitis which his mouth is much, much better. he is gaining
weight and i give him Lysine 500/day. So Tiger is a success story, and I
hope his cold clears up soon. Goldie has not yet been captured. He is
still not well.
Any tips on the cold? He is congested, but not in the eyes. Only in the
nose and sinuses.
It was thoughtful again Lorrie to receive your check. The card was cute.
The Farmingdale colony are doing okay and weathered the storm safely.
Thanks, Dot

--
*From:* Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Sent:* Monday, October 29, 2012 6:40 AM
*Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] STORM

Dot,
Sounds like you have a super good husband. Mine is too. He built me
feral shelters for one of my feral colonies, and since we have so many
cats at home he built me heated, thermostatically controlled sleeping
boxes in our garage for the 3 outside cats. They have a cat flap into
the garage, and they go into one of the three heated boxes thru a cat
flap too. THey have a large window to look out of and a warm blanket
inside their box as well as the heat. I use those ceramic reptile
heaters that give out heat but no light. They screw in like a light bulb
and give out heat but not light. They seem to last forever as I've used
them 8 or 10 years now. They are expensive - about $20. each but are
worth it and they won't break or shatter like a light bulb would, tho
a light bulb can be used if you don't have the ceramic heater.

I think your cats will be okay with what you've prepared for them.
Please let us know how they are when the storm passes.

BTW, I mailed your check Saturday so you should get it early this
week, if mail is delivered.

Lorrie

On 10-28, dot winkler wrote:
I am in Freehold, NJ. Inland So, you are in New York? Or is that
near
Long Island?
Do you have any outdoor colonies? My hub over the last year has built
small dog house type shelters (he is a carpenter) with tarping on the
rooves. They are surrounded by tee pee pallets piled on each other.
Then covered in tarping or plastic stapled on with his staple gun.
There are piles of furniture dumped in the area and some of the houses
are within those, protected. There are 2 dry feed stations we just
filled tonight. I just still am very worried. Hoping they will be
okay. What experiences have you had with storms and the cats?

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Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten Sitting, need suggestion

2012-11-04 Thread Kathryn Hargreaves

Watch them for Panleuk symptoms: depression, hanging head (most of the
time, not just over the food/water bowl), loose/watery stools, vomitting,
low energy.

If they are throwing up just bile, then they are just hungry. Can you
syringe some baby food into them to get them started eating again? What
are you feeding? If dry, switch to raw or healthy wet, such as Merrick's
Before Grain (plus 5% canned unspiced pumpkin). You can also mix up half
and half goat milk and wet food.

I don't let my cats get around pine/cedar litter because of the phenols in
pine, which can be toxic to cat livers. Supposedly, this is taken care of
in cat litters, but if it makes my bladder disease worse, then I don't
subject cats to it, either. Not to mention this stuff is scented, to boot.

Use disposable gloves when handling the kittens.

On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Martha Walton marthawal...@gmail.comwrote:

I am kitten-sitting two kittens this weekend for a friend. The kittens
ate well for the first two days, but yesterday they turned their nose up at
food. Today neither kitten is eating and they are both throwing up water.
Yesterday one of the kittens had diarrhea. Neither has done #2 today.
Both kittens are playful, drinking water and alert, but I am very worried
about them not eating. I have called their owner and left a message about
the vomiting.

The owner says that both kittens have been tested for all diseases. I
have not let the kittens have contact with my 5 house-cats. Today one of
my cats had some diarrhea, so I am hoping that the kittens are not getting
my cats sick..

Any suggestions? The kittens go back to their house tomorrow at 10:00am.

I am using Tidy Cats Pure Nature for their cat litter.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten Sitting, need suggestion

2012-11-04 Thread Kathryn Hargreaves

I think it's generally agreed upon that kittens should get wet food, not
dry. Did you try feeding the wet food you'd been giving them before they
shut down?

I'm an evangelist against all dry, no matter how ``healthy,'' as cats are
desert animals and don't have good thirst mechanisms to make them want to
drink water to compensate for dry food.

Did they just have shots? Maybe they are reacting to them?I hope they
hold off on any more shots until this is resolved.

I don't remember my Panleuk kittens having blood in the vomit/diarrhea, but
I may be blocked that out.

Keep an eye on them not getting dehydrated, as cats go downhill fast when
they do.

On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 1:19 PM, Martha Walton marthawal...@gmail.comwrote:

Thanks Kathryn Christiane.
Both kittens just had diarrhea, no blood in the stool no blood in the
vomit.

She is feeding them wet food, Friskies/wet and Meow Mix/wet. I have tried
to get the kittens to eat Before Grain wet food, but they will not eat it.
The kittens will lap up a little water, but nothing excessive. Problem is,
they walk away and vomit up the water.

Kittens were eating good Wednesday, Thursday Friday. I gave them some
dry food on Thursday or Friday night, Natures Variety Instinct. Maybe
their tummies just didn't like the new food.

I am very worried, the kittens go back to their home tomorrow AM. The
kittens have had the first round of shots testing. I have called their
human parents twice and left two messages.

On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 4:26 PM, Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.comwrote:

Are they eating the food they usually eat or did they have a change of
food when they came to your house?

** **

*From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
Of *Martha Walton
*Sent:* Sunday, November 04, 2012 3:42 PM
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* [Felvtalk] Kitten Sitting, need suggestion

** **

Any suggestions? The kittens go back to their house tomorrow at 10:00am.

I am using Tidy Cats Pure Nature for their cat litter.

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If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and
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Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten Sitting, need suggestion

2012-11-04 Thread Kathryn Hargreaves

Wonder how it worked on the virus, or does it work on viruses, too? Last
I talked to the vets that treated my kittens (most died), they wouldn't use
``controversial'' Tamiflu. My friend's vet saved her litter that way.

On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 1:39 PM, Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote:

Diarrhea control gel by van beek clears it right up if its bacterial. I
had a lot of cats years ago that had been dumped on me and I could not
catch them to vaccinate. Pretty soon they all started dying, and it was
panleuk. I had a bottle of excenel that I had used on my Pygmy goat for
mastitis. It wasn't labeled for cats at that time but I knew it killed fast
growing bacteria, like toxic shock. Didn't think I had anything to lose so
I started hitting everyone up with it and it saved their lives! Fortunately
the next year in the Plumb Veterinary drug Handbook it was labeled for
cats. 1 mg per lb. 50 mg per ML just in case you ever need it(-:

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 4, 2012, at 4:19 PM, Martha Walton marthawal...@gmail.com wrote:

Thanks Kathryn Christiane.
Both kittens just had diarrhea, no blood in the stool no blood in the
vomit.

Kittens were eating good Wednesday, Thursday Friday. I gave them some
dry food on Thursday or Friday night, Natures Variety Instinct. Maybe
their tummies just didn't like the new food.

I am very worried, the kittens go back to their home tomorrow AM. The
kittens have had the first round of shots testing. I have called their
human parents twice and left two messages.

On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 4:26 PM, Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.comwrote:

Are they eating the food they usually eat or did they have a change of
food when they came to your house?

** **

Any suggestions? The kittens go back to their house tomorrow at 10:00am.

I am using Tidy Cats Pure Nature for their cat litter.

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If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and
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Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten Sitting, need suggestion

2012-11-04 Thread Kathryn Hargreaves

On Panleuk?

On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 1:50 PM, Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote:

But amoxicillin works too!

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 4, 2012, at 4:19 PM, Martha Walton marthawal...@gmail.com wrote:

Thanks Kathryn Christiane.
Both kittens just had diarrhea, no blood in the stool no blood in the
vomit.

Kittens were eating good Wednesday, Thursday Friday. I gave them some
dry food on Thursday or Friday night, Natures Variety Instinct. Maybe
their tummies just didn't like the new food.

I am very worried, the kittens go back to their home tomorrow AM. The
kittens have had the first round of shots testing. I have called their
human parents twice and left two messages.

On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 4:26 PM, Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.comwrote:

Are they eating the food they usually eat or did they have a change of
food when they came to your house?

** **

Any suggestions? The kittens go back to their house tomorrow at 10:00am.

I am using Tidy Cats Pure Nature for their cat litter.

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If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and
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Re: [Felvtalk] STORM - QUESTIONS/reply

2012-10-29 Thread Kathryn Hargreaves

Dot,

Not sure if you're still on, but just saw this:
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10151219931374449.477932.144611599448type=1

Having been in pre-hurricanes and Nor'easters, I don't know if this would
really work. Seems the rocks are a bit small. I've had plastic that I
nailed up ripped off my house.

Kathy

On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 6:54 AM, kat merrykatme...@email.com wrote:

Dot,

Your husband sounds like a real kitty lover too!! The shelters he has put
together sound great and I hope the kitties weather the storm safely.

I have been told that there is a high pressure system out in the Atlantic
(near Iceland?) that is preventing Sandy from going out to sea. So I have
been sending dissipate prayers to that system so that Sandy can change
direction before making landfall this evening!! I'm located in the
northwest corner of NJ, so I shouldn't get hit, but losing power is
always a concern.

Your kitties are in my prayers!!

Kat (Mew Jersey)

- Original Message -

From: dot winkler

Sent: 10/28/12 09:11 PM

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] STORM - QUESTIONS/reply

I am in Freehold, NJ. Inland So, you are in New York? Or is that near Long
Island?
Do you have any outdoor colonies? My hub over the last year has built small
dog house type shelters (he is a carpenter) with tarping on the rooves. They
are surrounded by tee pee pallets piled on each other. Then covered in
tarping or plastic stapled on with his staple gun. There are piles of
furniture dumped in the area and some of the houses are within those,
protected. There are 2 dry feed stations we just filled tonight. I just
still am very worried. Hoping they will be okay. What experiences have you
had with storms and the cats?

From: Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] STORM - QUESTIONS

Am in Westchester (New Rochelle). Where are you?

From:Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dot
winkler
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 3:50 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] STORM - QUESTIONS

I went to the outdoor cat colony and dumped large amounts of dry food in the
2 protected stations. I am very worried about the cats with the hurricane.
We constructed small dog-house like houses for them with tee pees around them
from wood pallets and some plastic.
What's the general consensu? How have any of your outdoor cat colonies done
in the hurricane situations? In Hurricane Irene, the group did okay but this
one they are saying is worse. Do any of you live around this area of the
hurricane approaching?

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If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and
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Re: [Felvtalk] GOOGLE CHROME BROWSER/REPLY

2012-10-27 Thread Kathryn Hargreaves

It was Lorrie that couldn't get in. I've seen it work in Firefox and
Safari.

Does Tiger still have stomatitis?My vet and I worked out a holistic
protocol that cured both my kitties that had stomatitis. One had it so
bad, he spurted blood every time he opened his mouth. I can send it to
you if you like.

On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 5:00 AM, dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com wrote:

Hi Kathryn: Sorry you couldnt get in. I use Google Chrome browser. My
son said it shouldn't matter what browser you use. (I'm sorry - I don't
know a lot of technical stuff about computers. LOL. )
My home address is, also, in case you want to send by mail:
Mrs. Dotty Winkler
37 Harrison Dr
Freehold, NJ 07728
Thank you for your kindness and care in this matter. Tiger is vetted and
on his way to getting to a new home - my sis in law and neice. He had an
extensive workup at the vet and has FIV pos (had stomatitis). We hope for
the best for him with my sis in law. She'll give him lots of TLC and with
good food and shelter, he will thrive. I have a lot to do with all the
others at the colony. Goldie still remains an issue. Thanks, Dot

--
*From:* Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Sent:* Saturday, October 27, 2012 12:02 AM
*Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] CHIPIN ADDRESS/THUR NGHT REPLY

The operating system shouldn't matter. It's the browser. What one are
you using? It works in Firefox (on a Mac, which is essentially *nix).

http://farmingdalecats.chipin.com/cat-rescue-and-recovery

On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 2:39 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:

Dot,
The problem was I couldn't get into the chipin site to begin with. We
don't use microsoft windows. We use a techy operating system called
LINUX/UNIX. I'll see if my husband can figure out how to get in to
this. It'll be later today. Now I have to go to my shelter/sanctuary
in town.

On 10-25, dot winkler wrote:
Hi - i read your e-mail Lorrie about trying to get into the Chipin
acct
and you are having trouble. My son fixed the pictures which were too
big initially but now you can see the box as soon as you get into the
site - the chipin box, I mean. Simply click on that link;
http://farmingdalcats.chipin.com/cat-rescue-and-recvery and then you
can access the box. Thank you so much. Let me know if you still have
a problem. Dot

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If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and
to free up cage space.

Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by
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If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and
to free up cage space.

Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities:
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Re: [Felvtalk] Recipe for stomatitis

2012-10-27 Thread Kathryn Hargreaves

Hi,

Here it is:

*Holistic Stomatitis Protocol*

Note that holistic approaches take longer than do allopathic ones. These
the supplements we've been using, but it doesn't mean some aren't
optional. What seemed to turn things around was one course of antibiotics
along with Coptis Purge Fire. You may have to continue with Coptis Purge
Fire forever. We've just gotten rid of the stomatitis symptoms and have
not tried stopping the supplements. It's better than extractions, which
some say only work 50% of the time, and are expensive and invasive to boot.

*Supplements*

Health Concerns Coptis Purge Fire (2 tablets if 1 doesn't work)

CoQ10 30mg (Dr. Clark)

Vitamin A 25000 IU (Metagenics Mycelized Drops)

Vitamin E (dry, no soy) 200 IU (may be optional)

Lysine 500mg

Standard Process Whole Body Support 1/2 to 1 tablet

Standard Process Immune Support 1 tablet

Tumeric 450mg 1/2 capsule

*Can also try:*

Colostrum 100mg / Lactoferrin 10mg (separate from food)

*Palliative Homeopathy*

(as opposed to Classical)

Mercurius 30C

*Meds*

Antibiotics if really, really bad infections. Can do it once to get things
to a level at which the cat can recover with supplements. Use probiotics
separately (that is, at least an hour apart) for stomach flora.

*Cleanings*

Non-anesthetic sonic cleanings to keep gums clean. Don't feed ground bones
if they are getting caught in any gum pockets; use calcium carbonate
supplments instead to balance the Ca:Phos ratio (about 1400 mg per pound of
ground meat).

*Topical*

Oxyfresh in the water.

*Pus in gums:* Myrhh. Make a dilution by adding 1 teaspoon of the tincture
(the alcoholic extract) to a cup of water. Gently apply this to the gums
once or twice a day. Either use a soft toothbrush or, if the gums are too
sensitive for this, flush the gums with this solution using a syringe.

*Diet*

Raw diet, per http://catnutrition.org My recipe with local suppliers
available on request from khargrea...@gmail.com

Developed with the help of Dr. Audra MacCorkle
http://holisticanimaldoctor.com and the forum folks on
http://holisticat.com

On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 12:19 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:

I also have a cat with stomatitis, so I'd like to see your recipe
too.

Lorrie

On 10-27, dot winkler wrote:
Hi, Yes, I would love to know that holistic approach.
The first vet there when I brought Tiger in, said he had stomatitis,
chronic condition. When I called vet yesterday, other vet said AIDS
pos and that they pulled a lot of teeth and are giving anti b. When
I
asked specifically if he has the stomatitis to her, she said that he
is
fine now so we have to wait and see if it recurs.
Please send me that recipe for it. I will give it to my sis in law
who
will be taking the cat now. Thanks so much.

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Re: [Felvtalk] CHIPIN ADDRESS/THUR NGHT REPLY

2012-10-26 Thread Kathryn Hargreaves

The operating system shouldn't matter. It's the browser. What one are
you using? It works in Firefox (on a Mac, which is essentially *nix).

http://farmingdalecats.chipin.com/cat-rescue-and-recovery

On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 2:39 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:

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If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and
to free up cage space.

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Re: [Felvtalk] CHIPIN ADDRESS

2012-10-25 Thread Kathryn Hargreaves

The Chipin seems to go to Cat Rescue and Recovery by Dorothy Winkler (
venus7ora...@yahoo.com).

On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 2:30 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:

Dot, I have tried 5 times to get into the chipin address and cannot.

I have no idea why. How about paypal? That works for me. I cannot
send you a lot, as I have 24 cats of my own plus a feral colony but
I want to send something.

Lorrie

http://farmingdalecats.chipin.com/cat-rescue-and-recovery.
Any generous donations will go toward the vetting cost of Tiger
(outdoor cat at Farmingdale) and Goldie (same). They are in need of
vetting. I am taking care of the colony of 7 the past 2 years and
socializing them, feeding and driving out to the site (not near my
home). Two or three have a shot for adoption (I have my own 4 indoor
cats at home as well). Please help in any way you can if possible and
I do appreciate the smallest of donations as times are tough. Thanks

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[Felvtalk] Fwd: Help for Goldie and Tiger

2012-10-21 Thread Kathryn Hargreaves

If you post the Chipin URL, I can network it to a couple of donation and
feral cat Yahoo groups. Also, look on Red Rover's ``other financial
assistance page for other resources (their program is for life-threatening
situation aid). You can also Google something like pet medical financial
assistance to see if anything else comes up. I have pages of lists, very
unorganized, so this may be a more up-to-date and complete way to start.
Also, if you put up a Facebook page for them, with some pictures (no exact
location, of course) that would help. And send some pictures for the
email donation pleas, too.

Hope this helps.

On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 9:26 AM, dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com wrote:

Hi. I was wondering if anyone had any ideas on how to raise money to help
some of the cats in the Farmingdale colony that I have been taking care of
for the past 2 years. Two of them are in need of medical attention.
Goldie and Tiger. Tiger has gotten much more affectionate and friendly
with me the last 2 months. He lets me pick him up. My goal is to adopt
some of them out (some of the friendlier ones like him). I have been
working on this goal for some time now. But he has started to sneeze the
last 2 months and I almost got him in the cage last week and this week I
will surely catch him with the help of my sister. I have gone through so
much money this summer, I'm sure you all know the story, as I took in a
stray from our neighborhood (now have 4 indoor cats). Financially, I need
some assistance with Tiger and Goldie. I don't want to let them go the
winter - Gldie obviously has something stuck in his mouth and probably
needs anti b as well as a full workup. I am hopeful that I can catch him
also with a little persistance. Tiger shows much hope if vetted. My
sister-in-law has offered to recover him.
I have started a CHIPIN account. I'm sure you all have seen it. If
anyone would like to donate and help out, it would be so much appreciated.
Tiger and Goldie would be relieved of their agony and it is heartbreaking
to see them suffer with winter coming on. I can't stand to watch it. I
want so much for the outcome of these cats to be a good one. That is my
goal. If you find it in the goodness of your hearts to chip in even $1.00,
it would be so wonderful as dollars add up. Or if you have any other ideas
of raising money. I am in for surgery Nov 26th so time is of the essence
as I have many dr appts and work is time-consuming. Thanks to you all.
Dotty W. Freehold, NJ

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If you can't adopt, then foster bottle baby shelter animal, to save their
life. Contact your local pound for information.
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If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and
to free up cage space.

Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities:
http://www.no-killnews.com/ (see the right sidebar)

Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org

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Re: [Felvtalk] Unusual kitten story

2012-10-21 Thread Kathryn Hargreaves

Trappers around here do use kittens as ``bait.'' One way I worked out was
to put the kittens in a closed trap/whatever with the closed end of the
trap putting up against it. Cover the trap except for both ends, and also
the kitten container, and the mom will see going through the trap as the
way to get to the kittens. Others may do it differently, but that's the
general idea. That way, you don't lose any kittens.

On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 4:21 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:

Hi Everyone,

Here's a kitten story you should all enjoy. My daughter who helps
me with rescue work and TNR, has a lot of stray cats at her house.
There is one feral in particular she has been trying to trap for
years. This cat produces at least 2 litters a year, and she hides
the kittens and then brings them around when they are about 9 or
10 weeks and as wild as their mother is. This year she brought
her 3 kittens earlier than usual (about 3 or 4 weeks old) and my
daughter was able to gather them up and bring them inside to be
socialized. BUT how to catch the mom?? She has tried a trap to
no avail. This is one smart mom cat! So she set up a large plastic
storage box on the front porch where she feeds all these strays,
and put the kittens inside. She had a large screen to put on top
if mom cat went inside, but she had to hide, as mom cat wouldn't
go in if she saw Karin. Well quick as a flash the mother grabbed
one of the kittens and ran! Karin brought the other two back in
and the mother cat had the other kitten outside someplace for 2
days. Karin saw no sign of the third kitten, but when the weather
got very cold and rainy she finally saw the mom and kitten on her
porch. Karin opened the door to get the kitten, and the mother
tried to grab him and run but the kitten saw Karin and ran to
her instead!

I think this is an amazing story. Did that kitten remember being
inside where it was warm, or had he bonded with my daughter before
his cat mom stole him? All 3 kittens are now safe, and warm inside
and learning to eat well.

I hope you enjoyed this story and I wonder if any of you have had
similar stories to share.

Lorrie and 14 rescued cats and Karin with 18 rescued cats!!

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Re: [Felvtalk] I found something that works great on the FA and FL,

2012-10-20 Thread Kathryn Hargreaves

You're probably asking her how *she* makes CS, but I Googled making
colloidal silver and found some fun stuff!

I don't have any cats that either have cancer nor any of the viruii, but I
would not hesitate to try this. If anyone does, please let us know if it
works for you, too!

Toni, do you continue giving them CS after they test negative? What is
the daily dose at what PPM? What was the dose you gave to get them to
negative?

Also, how much Limu per cat? Usually one give 1/8 human dose, but you may
be doing something else.

Thanks!

On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 5:08 AM, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote:

How do you make CS?
On Oct 19, 2012, at 11:48 PM, Toni Probst wrote:

I found something that works grat however I doubt seriouly you would even
put the word out that it did work, but it was simple, it is called
colloidal silver, and I also give them Limu now also to keep them healthy.
It cured bother of my cats with FL and FA, and it has kept the others from
getting it, no vet bills, no daily scripts to give them, They are healthy,
do not test for it at all now, after 6 months. And I make the cs myself and
dont have to buy it. It is so simple, Gods way of healing. The best way.
Now I will hvae my cats living a long healthy life and I also , feed them
holisticly only, I filter clean the water, and just all around best health.
The vet was shocked and is even sharing it.
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For God hath not given me the spirit of fear, but of power, and of love,
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Re: [Felvtalk] No-kill animal shelter killing FeLV+ cat

2012-10-18 Thread Kathryn Hargreaves

Where are you?

Just be careful about anything that resembles mandatory spay/neuter laws,
as they apparently are counterproductive, and may be in this case, too.
 See:  https://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=152006964816562 or Google
ryan clinton mandatory spay neuter   Here in L.A., pound intakes went
down in when they implemented low-cost s/n (in 1971), but not when they
implemented MSN a couple of years ago.

Also, seems any kind of sterilization should suffice, not just spay/neuter,
especially in light of this study: http://www.gpmcf.org/respectovaries.html
Seems if you have an Felv+ female cat who's lifespan is already in danger
of being shortened, then you'd want to keep anything (i.e., ovaries) that
could lengthen it.



On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote:

 I just looked up the stats for 2011 for Animal Care Services, our city run
 shelter.  Well, they are better than 10 years ago when ACS was killing
 over 50,000 a year, with the breakdown of 18,000+ cats and the rest dogs.
 So we can be called a less kill city.  But far from anything logical. In
 2011 they killed 21,822 of which 6,813 were cats.  This year's funding
 (2012) is about $9.3 million wasted dollars.  The sad thing is that we
 could be no-kill in about a year, maybe 2 at the most with the proper
 advertising and expenditure of funds.

 Right now TNR is allowed but it is not funded by the City.  Right now we
 have a grant from Best Friends for free and low cost spay/neuter, but only
 in certain zip codes.  What would be needed is about a dozen mobile clinics
 to be circulating in all the neighborhoods at all times, a mass teaching
 effort to have people trap and bring feral cats and owned dogs to the
 clinic for FREE spay and neuter operations.

 An ordinance requiring apartment building owners and duplex owners to
 write into the leases of the tenants a spay/neuter clause that no one gets
 to rent an apartment if their pet is not spayed/neutered and proof shown to
 the manager/owner.  A whole lot of stray cats and dogs come from tenants
 who abandon their pets when they move to another apartment or whose pets go
 outside and get lost and pregnant.  If they abandon a spayed/neutered pet,
 that's only one animal put out.  If the animal isn't fixed, it's dozens of
 future animals born from that one animal.  This is a REAL problem and leads
 management to call Animal Control to clean up the mess and kill the
 animals. Meanwhile feeders are trying to do TNR under the radar because
 management hasn't gotten educated that TNR actually helps the problem not
 increases it.

 Since most people work outside of their home or during set hours of day,
 it would make more sense to have the free and low cost clinics open during
 the evening to late evening - from 5:00 PM to 10:00 PM for intake with
 operations done during the morning and animal pick up in the next evening,
 same hours as intake, and regular hours on weekends, Saturday and Sunday
 during the day.  At least something more logical than rushing around at
 6:00 AM to get the cat to the clinic, the kids to school or daycare and the
 adult to work.  Then reversing it to pick up the kid at daycare or school,
 and the adult to the clinic before it closes to get the cat.

 The technology is available but the intelligence and sense to use it seems
 to be lacking in people we put in positions of authority. Shelters have
 become big business.  Even prisons are becoming big business. So the fact
 that more and more illogical laws are passed putting people behind bars
 doesn't bother  our government because it's good for business.  Having
 too many kids is big business because it sells more diapers, more toys,
 more kids clothes, more cribs, etc..  Even being sick is big business so
 hospitals are allowed to raise rates, more tests than are needed are done.
 More animals are killed testing new drugs that could be tested in half the
 time using upgraded technology.  Sigh.  I need to get off this Soap Box and
 go clean the litter boxes.


 Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
 neighbors too!


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 *From:* Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com
 *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 *Sent:* Wednesday, October 17, 2012 10:13 AM

 *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] No-kill animal shelter killing FeLV+ cat

 Yes, per Gavin Nicols' comment on http://www.no-killnews.com/?p=3935 San
 Antonio is nowhere near No Kill (90%+), even if they considered FIV+/Felv+
 cats healthy, which you indicate they don't: ``For 2012 Fiscal Year to
 Date, the healthy and treatable dogs and cats make up 76% of total intake
 (in 2011, healthy and treatable was 66% of total intake).''  This is an
 issue that needs to be discussed in the No Kill community.

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Re: [Felvtalk] No-kill animal shelter killing FeLV+ cat

2012-10-18 Thread Kathryn Hargreaves

I this what you wrote?

``In my area they ahve an animal control for dogs, cats are just shot.''

According to Alley Cat Allies, it's illegal throughout the U.S. to shoot
cats.   Maybe that only applies to citizens.


On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 1:21 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:

  Kathryn Hargreaves wrote:  What pound was this?   That's one of
 the only good things about the pounds around here is that  they don't test
 for FIV/Felv, so then they don't kill for it. Of course,  I think they
 should test, and still not kill for it.   These are the open-admission No
 Kill (saving 90%+) shelters in the U.S.: 
 http://www.nokillhouston.org/no-kill-shelters-in-north-america/ Since 
 they made you wait for an opening, they are not open-admission by that list
  compiler's standards. There are many so-called no-kill (note the 
 lowercase letters) ``shelters'' that are not open-admission, and many say 
 they are no-kill even if they do kill, presumably to get donations.   The
 only way you can absolutely tell if a pound is a No Kill shelter is to 
 somehow get their intake/transfer/kill stats---sometimes via FOIA (Freedom
  of Information Act). If you're lucky, they post them on their website. 
  Most pounds in this country are just killing machines, unfortunately. See
  the bottom of my messages for how to change this. Fortunately, now that 
 people know it can be done, they are demanding their pounds become No Kill
  shelters. All it will take is time. Hopefully, in my lifetime.On
 Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 7:15 AM, Alev Durmus wrote:Dear all, I
 feel for all of you who lost your cat(s). I have lost one too many and I 
  can't bring myself to think losing another one. I would like to share  
 something with you all and ask your opinions and advice since I am not  
 originally from the US and I don't know how things go over here plus I  
 might not be thinking straight because I am very upset. This happened on 
  Saturday and I have been crying since... I came across to this
 cat-we named her River-less than 2 weeks ago cross   the road from my
 home in an unused shed. I usually don't look around but   for some
 reason, I looked towards the shed and there she was looking at   me...She
 was not moving a lot, sickly and skinny. I started feeding her,   she ate
 a lot and became more energetic in 2 days. She had started   wandering
 around since she wasn't starving anymore and I became afraid of   coyotes
 killing her or cold weather coming soon. I called the local no-kill  
 shelter to ask what to do. They told me to take pictures and uploaded on 
  their facebook page in order to locate her owners. She definitely had  
 owners once and probably was dumped...She was a very loving sweet cat. I 
  suspected, being a house cat she didn't know what to do to feed herself
 and   that's why she was in that shape. After a while she was so great,
 even if   she was not in the shed, she would come running when I called
 her. A few   days later shelter called and said they had an opening for
 her. This was a   good timing because of freeze warning coming to our
 way. I already have   another cat and I didn't want to bring her home
 without knowing that she is   healthy...We-me and the kids-were so happy
 to bring her to safety. They   asked me to sign a form saying that I gave
 all her rights to the shelter. I   was puzzled but knowing that it was a
 no-kill shelter I was   not that concerned. I put a note saying that I
 was not the owner and she   probably had an owner...I asked a lot of
 questions, when would we know   about her health, how can we adopt her,
 can I visit her etc.? I told them   we were planning to adopt her but my
 husband needed to be convinced...They   told me the vet would be coming
 on Thursday and the blood test would be   back and she would be in pet
 finder after a while. They said no to   visitation and no to adopting her
 right from the shelter...I said what if   someone adopts her before we
 see the ad, please call me etc...And then we   left. I didn't know that I
 brought her to her death by my hands thinking I   was doing the right
 thing... I called them Saturday and they informed me that they put
 her to sleep   on Friday because she had FeLV+...I said why didn't you
 call? no   answer...Between killing an animal and making a phone call
 they picked   killing her. After I read online that there are many false
 positive on this   test ( I don;t think anyone bothered to do the second
 test) and even if she   was positive she could be living a long life in a
 one-cat household...I   can't believe any animal lover would be that
 quick to kill one without   exploring other options or calling
 someone-me- who showed extreme interest   on saving this cat...Please
 anyone let me know if this is what they do in   the shelters? Is there
 anything we can do to change their policy? She even   gave me a line of 
 oh, you did such a good job taking care of her, she   would have died

Re: [Felvtalk] No-kill animal shelter killing FeLV+ cat

2012-10-17 Thread Kathryn Hargreaves

Yes, per Gavin Nicols' comment on http://www.no-killnews.com/?p=3935 San
Antonio is nowhere near No Kill (90%+), even if they considered FIV+/Felv+
cats healthy, which you indicate they don't: ``For 2012 Fiscal Year to
Date, the healthy and treatable dogs and cats make up 76% of total intake
(in 2011, healthy and treatable was 66% of total intake).'' This is an
issue that needs to be discussed in the No Kill community.

On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote:

Beth, How wonderful you are. I had a similar but happier experience. I
was known in my city as a rescuer and am on the Board of an animal rights
organization. However, I surrendered many cats to the Humane Society, a
supposedly no-kill shelter in San Antonio, Tx. Whenever I filled out the
surrender form, I always added that the cat must be returned to me for any
reason at any time, whether it was FIV or FeLv or some other situation that
made the cat unadoptable. I put it all over the form, told the intake
people and they agreed. I knew that they killed FIV+ and FeLv+ cats
without asking questions. Most people don't realize this or just don't
care as long as they can tell themselves that they did their best for the
cat. In addition, the HS allows anyone to visit with the cats in
visitation rooms, small cubicles with cat toys where the cats can be
handled and potential adopters can get to know them. This shelter is
better than most because their intake form does have a place to state that
the people surrendering the cat can have him/her back in case of something
that makes the cat unadoptable. Anyway, one evening the supervising intake
person called me. She was near tears. I hadn't surrendered any cats so I
wondered what was wrong. She said that they had gotten in two young,
gorgeous cats who had tested FIV+ and she was ordered to have them
euthanized the next day. She asked me if I would foster, since she knew I
did not euthanize FIV+ cats. I had none at the time, but I had about 20
other cats. So I told her that if she took the two cats who were occupying
my spare room at that time and who tested negative for everything, were
already fixed and had their rabies shots I would take the FIV+ cats. The
exchange was made before the shelter opened the next day. This was
entirely against the rules but no one complained. I got Sugar Plum Fairy,
a lovely blue-eyed white cat who was NOT deaf and Sir Walter, a husky,
healthy tabby and white boy. Both were fixed and had their rabies shots.
That was about 7 years ago. I named the white one Sugar Plum Fairy and the
tabby and white Sir Walter because he looked regal. Sugar Plum Fairy is
still with me along with 4 other FIV+ cats who live in separate quarters
from my main group. Sir Walter passed a month ago from kidney cancer. Up
until a month before he passed, he was a happy, overweight puss with an
attitude. Sugar is fine because she has other companions. I also have two
FIV+ cats mixed in with my main group because they are lay back
non-fighters who get along with everyone. No kill shelters are becoming
much more aware that FIV and FeLv do not have to be a death sentence for
cats surrendered to them. It's so awful that Alev had such a painful
experience. This used to be the norm in this country but things are slowly
changing. We always have to speak up for the cats and make sure that we
have an understanding when we surrender one to a shelter that they will
return the cat if anything is wrong. Get it in writing and call
frequently, visit frequently if you can to see how your cat is doing. The
two who were exchanged for Sugar and Wally got adopted within two weeks of
arriving at the shelter. FIV is not contagious unless the cats get into a
major biting and fighting situation. Most FIV+ cats who are neutered do
not bite and fight since this is behavior during mating season. However,
the five cats I have in my special FIV section exhibited some left over
hostility tendencies from their pre-neuter days. That's why they are
separate from my main group. The two who are mixed in never exhibited even
a hiss at anyone.

Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
neighbors too!

Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal!

If you can't adopt, then foster bottle baby shelter animal, to save their
life. Contact your local pound for information.
http://www.laanimalservices.com/volunteer_fostercare.htm

If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and
to free up cage space.

Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities:
http://www.no-killnews.com/ (see the right

Re: [Felvtalk] Off topic, of interest to many: Webcast: Fixing the Feline Housing Crisis (how sheltertsd canb make cats sick!!!)

2012-10-16 Thread Kathryn Hargreaves

They make these available afterwards as videos:
http://www.maddiesfund.org/Resource_Library/Maddies_Video_Library/Shelter_Medicine_Videos.html


On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 3:57 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:

 Will they ahve something in print for those of us who cannot go to this?
  Would like to take to local no kill shelter.  they ahve a problem with
 housing.  I know they ar short on funds, but constructive critismnever
 hurts.


  Natalie  wrote:  If anyone is interested, let me know, and I will
 send the entire page, how to register, with info privately; it’s too large
 to send to this group! My new email address is: atia@gmail.com  
   Fixing the Feline Housing Crisis: How Shelter Housing Can
 Make Cats Sick – And What You Can Do About It   It's a feline housing
 revolution – and it’s helping stop shelter cat upper respiratory infections
 in their tracks!Image removed by sender. large_box_bottom.gif   
 Image removed by sender. spacer.gifCats are extremely sensitive to
 noise, crowding, and stress – three things that are in abundant supply in
 many animal shelters. These adverse conditions often lead to illness in
 sheltered cats, particularly the most common of all feline shelter
 diseases, upper respiratory infection (URI).  The good news is that with a
 “feline wellness renovation project” – decreasing crowding and reducing
 stress – you can drastically cut the incidence of feline URI in your
 shelter's cat population.  Maddie's InstituteSM is pleased to announce the
 second in a two-part series on feline URI in shelters: Fixing the Feline
 Housing Crisis: How Shelter Housing Can Make Cats Sick - And What You Can
 Do About It. Join us for this free webcast on Thursday, October 25, at 9 PM
 Eastern, presented by Dr. Sandra Newbury of the Koret Shelter Medicine
 Program at the UC Davis School of Veterinary Medicine.   Attendees will
 learn:   * How to understand the natural behavior of cats  * How to set
 up shelter housing to reduce stress  * The importance of giving cats a
 place to hide when stressed or fearful  * The impact of housing cats near
 dogs  * How improvements in noise levels, light cycles, and enrichment can
 benefit cats  * Temperature, air quality and ventilation requirements for
 URI prevention  * How to understand exposure risks  * How to set up
 separation and isolation for sick cats   Individuals attending the live
 webcast will be entered in a door prize drawing for one of ten copies of
 Maddie's® Animal Shelter Infection Control Manual!  Fixing the Feline
 Housing Crisis: How Shelter Housing Can Make Cats Sick - And What You Can
 Do About It, is part of an ongoing series of educational programs from
 Maddie's Institute, a program of Maddie's Fund®, the nation's leading
 funder of shelter medicine education. Maddie's Institute brings cutting
 edge shelter medicine information from universities and animal welfare
 leaders to shelter veterinarians, managers and staff as well as private
 practice veterinarians, rescue groups and community members to increase the
 lifesaving of homeless dogs and cats community-wide.   _  
 Presenter: Sandra Newbury, DVM   

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Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal!

If you can't adopt, then foster bottle baby shelter animal, to save their
life.  Contact your local pound for information.
http://www.laanimalservices.com/volunteer_fostercare.htm

If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and
to free up cage space.


Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by
implementing the No Kill Equation:
http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/

Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities:
http://www.nokillhouston.org/no-kill-shelters-in-north-america/

Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org

More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/

More fun watching: http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos especially
http://vimeo.com/48445902



Local feral cat crisis?   See Alley Cat Allies' for how to respond:
http://www.alleycat.org/page.aspx?pid=537
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Re: [Felvtalk] No-kill animal shelter killing FeLV+ cat

2012-10-16 Thread Kathryn Hargreaves

What pound was this?

That's one of the only good things about the pounds around here is that
they don't test for FIV/Felv, so then they don't kill for it.   Of course,
I think they should test, and still not kill for it.

These are the open-admission No Kill (saving 90%+) shelters in the U.S.:
http://www.nokillhouston.org/no-kill-shelters-in-north-america/   Since
they made you wait for an opening, they are not open-admission by that list
compiler's standards.   There are many so-called no-kill (note the
lowercase letters) ``shelters'' that are not open-admission, and many say
they are no-kill even if they do kill, presumably to get donations.

The only way you can absolutely tell if a pound is a No Kill shelter is to
somehow get their intake/transfer/kill stats---sometimes via FOIA (Freedom
of Information Act).  If you're lucky, they post them on their website.

Most pounds in this country are just killing machines, unfortunately.   See
the bottom of my messages for how to change this.  Fortunately, now that
people know it can be done, they are demanding their pounds become No Kill
shelters.   All it will take is time.  Hopefully, in my lifetime.


On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 7:15 AM, Alev Durmus alev_dur...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Dear all,

 I feel for all of you who lost your cat(s). I have lost one too many and I
 can't bring myself to think losing another one. I would like to share
 something with you all and ask your opinions and advice since I am not
 originally from the US and I don't know how things go over here plus I
 might not be thinking straight because I am very upset. This happened on
 Saturday and I have been crying since...

 I came across to this cat-we named her River-less than 2 weeks ago cross
 the road from my home in an unused shed. I usually don't look around but
 for some reason, I looked towards the shed and there she was looking at
 me...She was not moving a lot, sickly and skinny. I started feeding her,
 she ate a lot and became more energetic in 2 days. She had started
 wandering around since she wasn't starving anymore and I became afraid of
 coyotes killing her or cold weather coming soon. I called the local no-kill
 shelter to ask what to do. They told me to take pictures and uploaded on
 their facebook page in order to locate her owners. She definitely had
 owners once and probably was dumped...She was a very loving sweet cat. I
 suspected, being a house cat she didn't know what to do to feed herself and
 that's why she was in that shape. After a while she was so great, even if
 she was not in the shed, she would come running when I called her. A few
 days later shelter called and said they had an opening for her. This was a
 good timing because of freeze warning coming to our way. I already have
 another cat and I didn't want to bring her home without knowing that she is
 healthy...We-me and the kids-were so happy to bring her to safety. They
 asked me to sign a form saying that I gave all her rights to the shelter. I
 was puzzled but knowing that it was a no-kill shelter I was
 not that concerned. I put a note saying that I was not the owner and she
 probably had an owner...I asked a lot of questions, when would we know
 about her health, how can we adopt her, can I visit her etc.? I told them
 we were planning to adopt her but my husband needed to be convinced...They
 told me the vet would be coming on Thursday and the blood test would be
 back and she would be in pet finder after a while. They said no to
 visitation and no to adopting her right from the shelter...I said what if
 someone adopts her before we see the ad, please call me etc...And then we
 left. I didn't know that I brought her to her death by my hands thinking I
 was doing the right thing...

 I called them Saturday and they informed me that they put her to sleep
 on Friday because she had FeLV+...I said why didn't you call? no
 answer...Between killing an animal and making a phone call they picked
 killing her. After I read online that there are many false positive on this
 test ( I don;t think anyone bothered to do the second test) and even if she
 was positive she could be living a long life in a one-cat household...I
 can't believe any animal lover would be that quick to kill one without
 exploring other options or calling someone-me- who showed extreme interest
 on saving this cat...Please anyone let me know if this is what they do in
 the shelters? Is there anything we can do to change their policy? She even
 gave me a line of  oh, you did such a good job taking care of her, she
 would have died if not for you

 No one ever mentioned me killing the cat-never...If they did I wouldn't
 leave River there.

 Please drop me a few lines, I am still crying and I think I owe this to
 River to at least question their actions...I can't even look over the shed
 which is cross the road from my home-impossible to avoid and couldn't even
 tell the kids what happened...

 Thank you for all your help,


 Alev

Re: [Felvtalk] No-kill animal shelter killing FeLV+ cat

2012-10-16 Thread Kathryn Hargreaves

I (and others) use the term ``pound'' for all so-called ``shelters'' that
are not truly No Kill (saving 90%+).

On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 8:26 AM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote:

According to her email it wasn't a pound, it was a so-called no-kill
shelter.
Pounds are usually owned by the local municipality.

Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/

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*From:* Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Cc:* Alev Durmus alev_dur...@yahoo.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 16, 2012 12:19 PM
*Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] No-kill animal shelter killing FeLV+ cat

What pound was this?

That's one of the only good things about the pounds around here is that
they don't test for FIV/Felv, so then they don't kill for it. Of course,
I think they should test, and still not kill for it.

These are the open-admission No Kill (saving 90%+) shelters in the U.S.:
http://www.nokillhouston.org/no-kill-shelters-in-north-america/ Since
they made you wait for an opening, they are not open-admission by that list
compiler's standards. There are many so-called no-kill (note the
lowercase letters) ``shelters'' that are not open-admission, and many say
they are no-kill even if they do kill, presumably to get donations.

The only way you can absolutely tell if a pound is a No Kill shelter is to
somehow get their intake/transfer/kill stats---sometimes via FOIA (Freedom
of Information Act). If you're lucky, they post them on their website.

Most pounds in this country are just killing machines, unfortunately.
See the bottom of my messages for how to change this. Fortunately, now
that people know it can be done, they are demanding their pounds become No
Kill shelters. All it will take is time. Hopefully, in my lifetime.

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Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal!

If you can't adopt, then foster bottle baby shelter animal, to save their
life. Contact your local pound for information.
http://www.laanimalservices.com/volunteer_fostercare.htm

If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and
to free up cage space.

Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities:
http://www.nokillhouston.org/no-kill-shelters-in-north-america/

Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org

More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/

More fun watching: http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos especially
http://vimeo.com/48445902

Re: [Felvtalk] No-kill animal shelter killing FeLV+ cat

2012-10-16 Thread Kathryn Hargreaves

Yes, that term is bandied about, too.

On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 8:38 AM, Alev Durmus alev_dur...@yahoo.com wrote:

They may call themselves a shelter but killing the animals dragged them
down to a level of a pound I would call them a death camp if you ask
me...
This shelter/pound I brought River is a charity organization I believe and
works with donations.

Alev
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*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 16, 2012 12:26 PM

*Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] No-kill animal shelter killing FeLV+ cat

According to her email it wasn't a pound, it was a so-called no-kill
shelter.
Pounds are usually owned by the local municipality.

Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/

What pound was this?

That's one of the only good things about the pounds around here is that
they don't test for FIV/Felv, so then they don't kill for it. Of course,
I think they should test, and still not kill for it.

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If you can't adopt, then foster bottle baby shelter animal, to save their
life. Contact your local pound for information.
http://www.laanimalservices.com/volunteer_fostercare.htm

If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and
to free up cage space.

Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities:
http://www.nokillhouston.org/no-kill-shelters-in-north-america/

Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org

More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/

More fun watching: http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos especially
http://vimeo.com/48445902

Re: [Felvtalk] No-kill animal shelter killing FeLV+ cat

2012-10-16 Thread Kathryn Hargreaves

Yes, and some have even gone so far as to define ``adoptable'' as those for
which they have cages! Outta space, outta luck.

As Christine probably knows, there are over 200 cities/towns that are now
No Kill. As for No Kill places being hard to find, at least someone is
looking for them. In fact, I just realized that my link to the No Kill
communities list is outdated and should be replaced with this, which is the
above someone's blog:

Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities:
http://www.no-killnews.com/http://www.nokillhouston.org/no-kill-shelters-in-north-america/
(see
the right sidebar)

On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 8:49 AM, Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.comwrote:

The caveat to the “no kill” (as defined in the Asilomar Accords) is that
all it means is they will not kill adoptable animals. Unfortunately, its
up to the individual shelter/rescue to define what they consider
“adoptable”. All too often, facilities that advertise themselves as “no
kill” really mean that they will kill all ill, senior, problem behavior,
etc. animals but never kill a healthy easily adoptable animals. These
kinds of facilities never ever publish their euthanasia matrix” which is
where they define their policy on who they will kill. True no kills (as we
think it means as defined by Nathan Winograd) are tough to find. I
volunteer for one such shelter in New Orleans (ARNO) the handful of
animals they’ve put down have been terminally ill animals who were either
comatose or in intractable pain. They never put down for fiv or felv! **
**

** **

The shelter you cited clearly is a kill shelter why they wouldn’t have
alerted you to the cat’s test results given you some time demonstrates an
attitude that is unfortunately all too common. I’m so sorry this happened
to you but please know that River had love from you—something she likely
hadn’t had in a very long time.

** **

*From:* Felvtalk
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
*On Behalf Of *Alev Durmus
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 16, 2012 11:15 AM
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* [Felvtalk] No-kill animal shelter killing FeLV+ cat

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If you can't adopt, then foster bottle baby shelter animal, to save their
life. Contact your local pound for information.
http://www.laanimalservices.com/volunteer_fostercare.htm

If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and
to free up cage space.

Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities:
http://www.nokillhouston.org/no-kill-shelters-in-north-america/

Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org

More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/

More fun watching: http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos especially
http://vimeo.com/48445902

Re: [Felvtalk] No-kill animal shelter killing FeLV+ cat

2012-10-16 Thread Kathryn Hargreaves

Los Angeles. Neither the city not the county pounds test.

On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 9:11 AM, CATHERINE DIDONNA westnint...@yahoo.comwrote:

around here doesn't say where you are??

*From:* Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 16, 2012 12:29 PM

*Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] No-kill animal shelter killing FeLV+ cat

I (and others) use the term ``pound'' for all so-called ``shelters'' that
are not truly No Kill (saving 90%+).

On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 8:26 AM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote:

According to her email it wasn't a pound, it was a so-called no-kill
shelter.
Pounds are usually owned by the local municipality.

Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! http://www.furkids.org/

*From:* Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Cc:* Alev Durmus alev_dur...@yahoo.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 16, 2012 12:19 PM
*Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] No-kill animal shelter killing FeLV+ cat