Re: [PEDA] footprint clearance checking

2004-08-12 Thread Ian Wilson
On 01:10 PM 11/08/2004, Dom Bragge said: I have a connector that could be viewed as a large "U" when placed on the board. If I want to place other components within this "U" shape (not overlapping the physical connector but within the "bounding box") what choices do I have: - permanently enjoying t

Re: [PEDA] footprint clearance checking

2004-08-12 Thread Brian Guralnick
iginal Message - From: Brad Velander To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] footprint clearance checking Brian, In 2004 or more recent DXP versions, did Altium ever fix the fact that the clearance check includes all re

Re: [PEDA] footprint clearance checking

2004-08-11 Thread Brad Velander
. Sincerely, Brad Velander PCB Designer Xantrex Technology Inc. (direct) (604) 415-4054 (general) (604) 422-8595 ext. 4054 (fax) (604) 422-1591 -Original Message- From: Brian Guralnick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: August 10, 2004 10:50 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] footprint

Re: [PEDA] footprint clearance checking

2004-08-10 Thread Brian Guralnick
ing area may be super constrictive. _ Brian Guralnick - Original Message - From: Dom Bragge To: Protel EDA forum Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 11:10 PM Subject: [PEDA] footprint clearance checking I have a connector that could be viewed as a large "U"

[PEDA] footprint clearance checking

2004-08-10 Thread Dom Bragge
I have a connector that could be viewed as a large "U" when placed on the board. If I want to place other components within this "U" shape (not overlapping the physical connector but within the "bounding box") what choices do I have: - permanently enjoying the 20+ clearance errors? (not preferred)

Re: [PEDA] footprint madness

2004-08-09 Thread Jim Monroe
Bob- Could this be the pad numbers or nets names being displayed (see Tools/Preferences dialog in the Display tab)? If not perhaps screen shot would help. I don't think you can attached files to this forum, but perhaps you can provide a link to a screen shot. JM At 01:36 PM 8/9/2004, you wrote:

[PEDA] footprint madness

2004-08-09 Thread bob stephens
I built an SOIC 8 a while ago and have used it successfully until today. When I load the PCB, this part comes up with '' on top of each row of pins in white - not a valid layer color in this design - 80 mil text. I can't select it, the library editor doesn't know it's there, and it doesn't show

[PEDA] footprint

2004-02-18 Thread bob stephens
I have a DXP footprint that I need to modify. Its is DIODE SMC contained in Miscellaneous Devices.IntLib. The original part uses a 5 mil line for the outline on the silkscreen layer. My board house's Design for Manufacture test balks at this Wanting 7 mils or greater. I tried copying this part in

Re: [PEDA] Footprint converter

2002-09-12 Thread Brian Guralnick
el EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 2:50 AM Subject: [PEDA] Footprint converter > Hi verybody. > > Anyone who knows where to get a converter from IPL footprint types to Protel > 99SE compatible ? > > > > I already

[PEDA] Footprint converter

2002-09-11 Thread Peder K. Hellegaard

Re: [PEDA] footprint for smd or through-hole oscillator

2002-05-27 Thread Danny Bishop
. > -Original Message- > From: Kevin Knight [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, 27 May 2002 10:41 PM > To: Protel EDA Forum > Subject: Re: [PEDA] footprint for smd or through-hole oscillator > > > You could try making the sm pad using a polygon fill or >

Re: [PEDA] footprint for smd or through-hole oscillator

2002-05-24 Thread HxEngr

Re: [PEDA] footprint for smd or through-hole oscillator

2002-05-24 Thread Peter Bennett
Hello Bernhard, Saturday, May 25, 2002, 1:04:40 AM, you wrote: > i am trying to make an footprint for an smd-oscillator. but if this > smd-device isn't available i want to use a through-hole part. > so i made a footprint in my pcb-library which works for both parts. i > assigned the same pinnumb

Re: [PEDA] footprint for smd or through-hole oscillator

2002-05-24 Thread Brad Velander
June 18-21. > -Original Message- > From: Bernhard Koss [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2002 1:05 AM > To: Protel EDA Forum > Subject: [PEDA] footprint for smd or through-hole oscillator > > > i am trying to make an footprint for an smd-oscil

Re: [PEDA] footprint for smd or through-hole oscillator

2002-05-24 Thread Dennis Saputelli
all the time put two schem symbols on top of each other and put 2 separate pcb footprints on top of each other you can also assign a net to a component trace by using the update primitives function in the netlist manager Dennis Saputelli Bernhard Koss wrote: > > i am trying to make an footprin

[PEDA] footprint for smd or through-hole oscillator

2002-05-24 Thread Bernhard Koss
i am trying to make an footprint for an smd-oscillator. but if this smd-device isn't available i want to use a through-hole part. so i made a footprint in my pcb-library which works for both parts. i assigned the same pinnumber to 2 different pads and connected them with a wire. this causes differ

Re: [PEDA] Footprint for Hirose Connectors

2002-05-03 Thread Bruce Walter
I have made a 20 pin version that I have used successfully. You can scale it easily. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 3:33 AM To: proteledaforum Subject: [PEDA] Footprint for Hirose Connectors I am looking for a source

[PEDA] Footprint for Hirose Connectors

2002-05-03 Thread websitevisitor
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Re: [PEDA] Footprint pads moving during or after copy/paste/move processes.

2002-04-02 Thread Abd ulRahman Lomax
At 06:05 PM 4/1/2002 +1000, Ian Wilson wrote: Harmless unless you actually have unlocked the component - and then the classic missing pad can be generated. Select a net (or connected copper), which includes components with unlocked primitives. Delete the selection and away go the pads. This

Re: [PEDA] Footprint pads moving during or after copy/paste/move processes.

2002-04-01 Thread JaMi Smith
ag-pad is allowed to function where it otherwise would not be allowed. JaMi Smith * * * -Original Message- From: Ian Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 12:29 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Footprint pads moving during or after copy/paste/move processes

Re: [PEDA] Footprint pads moving during or after copy/paste/move processes.

2002-04-01 Thread Ian Wilson
On 04:50 PM 28/03/2002 -0800, JaMi Smith said: >Jon > >Yes, you are absolutely right, it is scary, but on a 6 layer board with >some areas needing 50 ohm controlled impedance on both sides of the >board for some 2.7 GHz Optical / RF stuff, and the rest of the board >being primarily analog using sm

Re: [PEDA] Footprint pads moving during or after copy/paste/move processes.

2002-04-01 Thread Ian Wilson
On 05:40 PM 28/03/2002 -0800, JaMi Smith said: >I have thought of this scenario, especially since the original post >implied that this could have happened in a MOVE or ROTATE, but the real >question is how do you select a PAD that has not been Freed from its >COMPONENT, or as in your example, leav

Re: [PEDA] Footprint pads moving during or after copy/paste/move processes.

2002-04-01 Thread Ian Wilson
On 09:59 PM 29/03/2002 -0800, Dennis Saputelli said: >all i can say is that the pad jumped all by itself, i am quite sure. >i believe it happened after a save as > >brad has seen it, i have seen it, it will happen again ... > >Dennis Saputelli Brad and Dennis, I think it is a bug. It sounds se

Re: [PEDA] Footprint pads moving during or after copy/paste/move processes.

2002-04-01 Thread Ian Wilson
On 09:05 PM 28/03/2002 -0500, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax said: >At 05:40 PM 3/28/2002 -0800, JaMi Smith wrote: >>I guess the >>real question is will Protel allow you to SELECT a single PAD of a >>COMPONENT with LOCKED PRIMITIVES by any other process, or at any other >>time when the operator may be unawar

Re: [PEDA] Footprint pads moving during or after copy/paste/move processes.

2002-03-29 Thread Dennis Saputelli
all i can say is that the pad jumped all by itself, i am quite sure. i believe it happened after a save as brad has seen it, i have seen it, it will happen again ... Dennis Saputelli Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: > > At 10:23 AM 3/29/2002 -0800, Dennis Saputelli wrote: > >it took about half an ho

Re: [PEDA] Footprint pads moving during or after copy/paste/move processes.

2002-03-29 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 10:23 AM 3/29/2002 -0800, Dennis Saputelli wrote: >it took about half an hour to find but i had saved the problem file >it did chunk down to a fragment and still shows the pad jump >i don't know what it proves because there are means by which i could >have moved the pad (except that i didn't)

Re: [PEDA] Footprint pads moving during or after copy/paste/move processes.

2002-03-29 Thread Dennis Saputelli
it took about half an hour to find but i had saved the problem file it did chunk down to a fragment and still shows the pad jump i don't know what it proves because there are means by which i could have moved the pad (except that i didn't) my recollection of editing the xy and having it jump ba

Re: [PEDA] Footprint pads moving during or after copy/paste/move processes.

2002-03-29 Thread Dennis Saputelli
interesting, thanks Dennis Saputelli JaMi Smith wrote: > > Dennis wrote: > > >jami, > >re your 25 mil hi silkscreen > >do the fab shops complain? > >can you actually read it or does it all glob together? > >when it is that tight and when they can't be charted off to the side > >somewhere we usu

Re: [PEDA] Footprint pads moving during or after copy/paste/move processes.

2002-03-29 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 06:23 PM 3/28/2002 -0800, Dennis Saputelli wrote: >i can assure you that our 'jumped' pad was in the cosmic ray category >and sounds just like brad's >[...]i think it kept jumping until i replaced the footprint What we would hope for, in a case like this, is that the file is saved as-is inste

Re: [PEDA] Footprint pads moving during or after copy/paste/move processes.

2002-03-28 Thread JaMi Smith
>At 05:40 PM 3/28/2002 -0800, JaMi Smith wrote: >>I guess the >>real question is will Protel allow you to SELECT a single PAD of a >>COMPONENT with LOCKED PRIMITIVES by any other process, or at any other >>time when the operator may be unaware of it. > >Yes, it can be done, and it seems to be pre

Re: [PEDA] Footprint pads moving during or after copy/paste/move processes.

2002-03-28 Thread JaMi Smith
Dennis wrote: >jami, >re your 25 mil hi silkscreen >do the fab shops complain? >can you actually read it or does it all glob together? >when it is that tight and when they can't be charted off to the side >somewhere we usually move them to another non fab layer and move them >right on top of the

Re: [PEDA] Footprint pads moving during or after copy/paste/move processes.

2002-03-28 Thread Dennis Saputelli
i can assure you that our 'jumped' pad was in the cosmic ray category and sounds just like brad's i looked very carefully into what might have caused it and wound up replacing the footprint with no good explanation now that i recollect it, i *think* it did not respond to editing the XY coords to

Re: [PEDA] Footprint pads moving during or after copy/paste/move processes.

2002-03-28 Thread Dennis Saputelli
ve Products > Tel (604) 292-9089 (direct line) > Fax (604) 292-9010 > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.norsat.com > > See us at Booth S8155 at NAB 2002 in Las Vegas April 8 - 11. > > > -Original Message- > > From: Jon Elson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [PEDA] Footprint pads moving during or after copy/paste/move processes.

2002-03-28 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 05:40 PM 3/28/2002 -0800, JaMi Smith wrote: >I guess the >real question is will Protel allow you to SELECT a single PAD of a >COMPONENT with LOCKED PRIMITIVES by any other process, or at any other >time when the operator may be unaware of it. Yes, it can be done, and it seems to be pretty harm

Re: [PEDA] Footprint pads moving during or after copy/paste/move processes.

2002-03-28 Thread JaMi Smith
Abdul wrote: >You might also move a footprint pad by, for example, having selected the >pad and having left it selected, doing a global edit on a free pad and >altering the X or Y coordinate, *and* changing the scope to "all >primitives" from "free primitives." I haven't verified this; once ag

Re: [PEDA] Footprint pads moving during or after copy/paste/move processes.

2002-03-28 Thread JaMi Smith
the pick and place file to look for any COMPONENTS that are off kilter before I finish the design. JaMi -Original Message- From: Brad Velander [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 4:36 PM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] Footprint pads moving dur

Re: [PEDA] Footprint pads moving during or after copy/paste/move processes.

2002-03-28 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 04:35 PM 3/28/2002 -0800, Brad Velander wrote: >After re-reading some of the previous messages again, it seems that some >people may be trying to suggest that clicking and dragging a component pad >is possible on a component within a PCB (not a library). Does anybody want >to expound on this? I

Re: [PEDA] Footprint pads moving during or after copy/paste/move processes.

2002-03-28 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 05:50 PM 3/28/2002 -0600, Jon Elson wrote: >This is scary. I generally click in the center of the component, as I >usually do NOT want to edit the pad, but the component. But, sometimes, >especially when there is netlist trouble, I click on the pad to see the net >name >more clearly than the

Re: [PEDA] Footprint pads moving during or after copy/paste/move processes.

2002-03-28 Thread JaMi Smith
- From: Jon Elson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 3:50 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Footprint pads moving during or after copy/paste/move processes. JaMi Smith wrote: > Brad, > > Yes, and it can be quite common if you are not careful. > >

Re: [PEDA] Footprint pads moving during or after copy/paste/move processes.

2002-03-28 Thread Brad Velander
-9010 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.norsat.com See us at Booth S8155 at NAB 2002 in Las Vegas April 8 - 11. > -Original Message- > From: Jon Elson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 3:50 PM > To: Protel EDA Forum > Subject: Re: [PEDA] Footpr

Re: [PEDA] Footprint pads moving during or after copy/paste/move processes.

2002-03-28 Thread Brad Velander
ril 8 - 11. > -Original Message- > From: Jon Elson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 3:50 PM > To: Protel EDA Forum > Subject: Re: [PEDA] Footprint pads moving during or after > copy/paste/move processes. > > This is scary. I general

Re: [PEDA] Footprint pads moving during or after copy/paste/move processes.

2002-03-28 Thread Jon Elson
Brad Velander wrote: > Rich, Lloyd, > while both of your premises have merit they do not cover this case. > The parts were designed using English units and are used in a DDB with > English units. As for editing individual pad locations, didn't happen, never > edited anything within that f

Re: [PEDA] Footprint pads moving during or after copy/paste/move processes.

2002-03-28 Thread Jon Elson
JaMi Smith wrote: > Brad, > > Yes, and it can be quite common if you are not careful. > > Sometimes I will select a PAD and think I have a COMPONENT, and the > result is that I will move that PAD independent of the COMPONENT, either > by dragging it or changing its location in a dialogue box, irr

Re: [PEDA] Footprint pads moving during or after copy/paste/move processes.

2002-03-28 Thread Dennis Saputelli
-Original Message- > > From: JaMi Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 12:03 PM > > To: Protel EDA Forum > > Subject: Re: [PEDA] Footprint pads moving during or after > > copy/paste/move processes. > > > > > > Brad, &g

Re: [PEDA] Footprint pads moving during or after copy/paste/move processes.

2002-03-28 Thread Brad Velander
ine) Fax (604) 292-9010 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.norsat.com See us at Booth S8155 at NAB 2002 in Las Vegas April 8 - 11. > -Original Message- > From: JaMi Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 12:03 PM > To: Protel EDA Forum > Subje

Re: [PEDA] Footprint pads moving during or after copy/paste/move processes.

2002-03-28 Thread JaMi Smith
ly a PAD of the COMPONENT rather than the COMPONENT itself. Is it possible that this could have happened to you? JaMi Smith -Original Message- From: Brad Velander [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 10:48 AM To: Protel EDA Forum List Server (E-mail) Subject: [PEDA]

Re: [PEDA] Footprint pads moving during or after copy/paste/move processes.

2002-03-28 Thread Brad Velander
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 11:24 AM > To: Protel EDA Forum > Subject: Re: [PEDA] Footprint pads moving during or after > copy/paste/move processes. > > > Hi Brad, > I have never seen this problem before, however is it possi

Re: [PEDA] Footprint pads moving during or after copy/paste/move processes.

2002-03-28 Thread lloyd . good
notify me immediately by telephone (collect) at (1) 403.214.4400 and destroy this e-mail as well as any copy. Thank you. -Original Message- From: Brad Velander [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 11:48 AM To: Protel EDA Forum List Server (E-mail) Subject: [PEDA]

Re: [PEDA] Footprint pads moving during or after copy/paste/move processes.

2002-03-28 Thread Rich Thompson
ssage- From: Brad Velander [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 28 March 2002 18:48 To: Protel EDA Forum List Server (E-mail) Subject: [PEDA] Footprint pads moving during or after copy/paste/move processes. Hi all, why do I usually get these weird ones? One of our engineers just came to me

[PEDA] Footprint pads moving during or after copy/paste/move processes.

2002-03-28 Thread Brad Velander
Hi all, why do I usually get these weird ones? One of our engineers just came to me with an alignment issue for a couple pads within a footprint on a test pcb. Sure enough two pads within the 8 pad device are visibly shifted on the board. Checked the PCB file and the pads are shif

Re: [PEDA] footprint for key-finger/keypad

2002-03-20 Thread Brian Sherer
There are several technologies used for keypads; among them are snap-domes (metal domes with 3 tabs that enter plated holes, and a bump that contacts a center pcb pad); elastomeric (an insulating plastic sheet with round conductive rubber pads that contact matching conductive grids located on the

Re: [PEDA] footprint for key-finger/keypad

2002-03-20 Thread Bob Jones
PROTECTED]> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 7:29 AM Subject: [PEDA] footprint for key-finger/keypad Hi, I'm going to start a layout with key-pad but I can't find any recommend

Re: [PEDA] footprint for key-finger/keypad

2002-03-20 Thread Kevin Knight
email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -Original Message- > From: Adeline Ko [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 20 March 2002 12:30 > To: Protel EDA Forum > Subject: [PEDA] footprint for key-finger/keypad > > > Hi, > > I'm going to start a layout with key-pad but I can&#

[PEDA] footprint for key-finger/keypad

2002-03-20 Thread Adeline Ko

Re: [PEDA] footprint trouble

2002-03-18 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
dwight said: Have you checked the library list in PCB? Double-check footprint spelling? > -Original Message- > From: Robison Michael R CNIN [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 7:43 AM > To: 'Protel EDA Forum' > Subject: [PEDA] footprin

Re: [PEDA] footprint trouble

2002-03-17 Thread Dwight Harm
Have you checked the library list in PCB? Double-check footprint spelling? > -Original Message- > From: Robison Michael R CNIN [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 7:43 AM > To: 'Protel EDA Forum' > Subject: [PEDA] footprint trouble &

[PEDA] footprint trouble

2002-03-17 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
hello, i'm finishing up a pcb that somebody else started. i've added two resistors to the schematic and when i go to update the pcb, i don't get any errors but under warnings it says that i'm missing two footprints. the components that use those footprints look fine on the pcb, and the footpr

Re: [PEDA] footprint update problem

2002-03-11 Thread Brad Velander
om See us at Booth S8155 at NAB 2002 in Las Vegas April 8 - 11. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 5:49 AM To: proteledaforum Subject: [PEDA] footprint update problem Greetings, I am having difficulty getting a footprint

[PEDA] footprint update problem

2002-03-11 Thread websitevisitor
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Re: [PEDA] Footprint for either surface mount or through hole

2002-01-24 Thread Watnoski, Michael

[PEDA] Footprint field on sch (was: On the SCH but not the PCB)

2002-01-17 Thread Wayne Trow
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: -If the footprint assigned to the part is one which does not exist in any -library, such as "DO_NOT_USE", then no part will be created in the PCB, and -any nodes for that footprint will be ignored. You will get a macro error -telling you that footprint "DO_NOT_USE" was

Re: [PEDA] Footprint 215

2001-11-26 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 01:51 PM 11/26/01 -0500, Jeff Adolphs wrote: >Hi! I used a Protel Footprint SOT-89 (I call it 215 from IPC-SM-782) >which gives me DRC errors. The problem is pin 2 has a rectangular pad >with a bunch of fills and tracks added to make a big tab. The fills and >tracks do not pick up the net name

Re: [PEDA] Footprint 215

2001-11-26 Thread Jeff Adolphs
- From: Tim Fifield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 2:18 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Footprint 215 Jeff, Try: Design/Netlist Manager/Menu/Update Free Primitives From Component Pads. Tim -Original Message- From: Jeff Adolphs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [PEDA] Footprint 215

2001-11-26 Thread Tim Fifield
Jeff, Try: Design/Netlist Manager/Menu/Update Free Primitives From Component Pads. Tim -Original Message- From: Jeff Adolphs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 2:52 PM To: Protel EDA Forum (E-mail) Subject: [PEDA] Footprint 215 Hi! I used a Protel Footprint

[PEDA] Footprint 215

2001-11-26 Thread Jeff Adolphs
Hi! I used a Protel Footprint SOT-89 (I call it 215 from IPC-SM-782) which gives me DRC errors. The problem is pin 2 has a rectangular pad with a bunch of fills and tracks added to make a big tab. The fills and tracks do not pick up the net name when the netlist is loaded giving many DRC errors. H

Re: [PEDA] Footprint

2001-11-21 Thread Brian Guralnick
ovember 21, 2001 4:06 PM Subject: [PEDA] Footprint Does anybody have a TQFP-32 lead pcb footprint? Preferably for ONSEMI Case #873A-02. Sean James PCB Designer Telecast Fiber Systems, Inc. 102 Grove Street Worcester, MA 01605 (TEL) 508

[PEDA] Footprint

2001-11-21 Thread Sean James

Re: [PEDA] Footprint for sc70-5 needed

2001-08-09 Thread Konrad Iten
Hi Try this link : http://fairchildsemi.com/products/logic/packaging/sc70_5.html Best regards, Konrad - Original Message - From: "Coleman, Tim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Protel EDA user group Forum (E-mail)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, August

[PEDA] Footprint for sc70-5 needed

2001-08-09 Thread Coleman, Tim
Anyone got one or know where to get one? Cheers TC * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROT