Re: [Biofuel] home made fuel cell and other interesting pdf links
http://www.biofuels.ca/page17.html is an agent for Canada and the US. Komet presses. German tech. Press the oil and make some biodiesel from it (soy or corn)The residue in meal for animals or fertilizing. Have a nice day. Luc - Original Message - From: Steve Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 11:21 AM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] home made fuel cell and other interesting pdf links I am new to this site and have been following and trying to find some info for a few weeks. I guess I will just ask. I have a large farm and a large source of corn and soybeans from farming. I am very interested in knowing if there is an economical way I can either make my own biodiesel or ethanol for my tractors and/or trucks for my own use and possible sell excess. Is this a process that would save me $$? Corn and soy prices are very low so I am losing money growing them. Poor dirt farmer in PA, Steve Hess -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alt.EnergyNetwork Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 6:00 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] home made fuel cell and other interesting pdf links Hi all, Just added some new pdf files on how to make a home made fuel cell, peak oil, hydrogen and future transportation tech. You can find them here. regards tallex http://www.alternate-energy.net/pdf03.html Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net Get your daily alternative energy news http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid news resources forums http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] cloudy Biodiesel...
If it looks like crystalised jello then it is residual glycerine IMO. Why are you using vinegar ? That has usually been suggested for breaking emulsions, but if you have a complete reaction then you shouldn't need vinegar in the wash. Prior to using vinegar try the quality wash test, found here: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_vehicle.html#quality Luc - Original Message - From: Paul Tanner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 1:00 AM Subject: [Biofuel] cloudy Biodiesel... Hi, I have been making some small trial batches of Biodiesel, and had pretty good success.. nice reaction, clear fuel, then refined with washing etc (water and vinegar).. still nice and clear.. however, I notice that when I made a large batch (approx. 175 litres) the fuel at the bottom (after I had removed the glycerine from the tank) appeared to have some sort of crystals at the bottom of the container, that looked a little like miso soup.. cloudy at the bottom, clear at the top.. the crystals (I'll call them that, given that's what they look like - I doubt they *are* crystals) dissolve back into the fuel, when the fuel is warmed.. I thought this might be the normal higher cloud point of Biodiesel...but they re-appear when the fuel is back to normal room temperature. just wondering if anyone has seen this too.. or could provide an idea as to the cause. many thanks in advance.. regards, Paul. --- Paul Tanner Client IT Architect IBM Business Consulting Services Level 24, 60 City Rd. Melbourne, VIC 3000 Phone: +61-3-8646 5346 Fax: +61-3-9626 6010 Mobile:+61-402 000 980 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Cold Weather Study on Soy Biodiesel
PDF file http://www.mda.state.mn.us/ams/biodieselfinal.pdf ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Fossil fuels fuel the politics
Osama is to the NWO what Emmanuel Goldstein of Orwell's 1984 was; nothing more than a fictional focal point to which all terrors are attributed, a common enemy used to instill perpetual fear in the minds of people who otherwise might take the time to actually think and that would inevitably result in the truth coming out and the gig would be up. All so-called Al Queda cells and people associated with it have turned out to be intellingence black ops and those charged as being complicit have ALL had their cases fall apart. Who benefits from all this terror? Who gets what they want ? It certainly is not the Arabs/Palestinians, so who actually did it? Who gets the $ ? Who gets the bombs? Who gets to grab land that doesn't belong to them ? That is who wins and who did it, IMHO :) Luc - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 5:41 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fossil fuels fuel the politics you are so pathetically ignorant, it borders on the suspicion of having matriculated from a public school. - Original Message - From: bmolloy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 7:48 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Fossil fuels fuel the politics Hi all, A new thread for consideration: fossil fuel use is fuelling our politics. Up until now we've been eating the rabbits. But what happens when the rabbits get a gun? Pitt takes a look at the question. Bob. When the Rabbits Get a Gun By William Rivers Pitt From: http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/091504A.shtml t r u t h o u t | Perspective Wednesday 15 September 2004 *** This is the comforting fiction: Osama bin Laden is a monster who sprang whole from the fetid mire. He had no childhood, no influences, no education, no experiences to form his view of the world. He did not exist, and then he did, a vessel into which the universe poured the essence of evil. It is a simple, straightforward story of a man who hates freedom and kills for the pure joy of feeling innocent blood drip from his fingers. This is the fairy tale by which children are put to bed at night. As frightening and terrifying as bin Laden may be, it is a comfort to imagine him as having been chiseled from the dust. The fiction of his existence, absent of detail, makes him unique, a singular entity not to be replicated. Osama bin Laden becomes truly scary only when the actual context of his life is made clear, where he is from, what he has seen, and why those things motivated him to do what he does. Osama bin Laden becomes truly scary when the realization comes that he is not unique, not singular, not an invention of the universe. He becomes truly scary when the realization comes that there are millions of people who have seen what he has seen, who feel what he feels, and why. He becomes truly scary when the realization comes that he is a creation of the last fifty years of American foreign and economic policy, and that he has an army behind him created by the same influences. Simply, Osama bin Laden becomes truly scary when the realization comes that he can be, and has been, and continues to be, replicated. Osama bin Laden, after being educated at Oxford University, learned how to kill effectively while working as an agent of American Cold War policy in Afghanistan. He was a helpful American ally throughout the 1980s as a ruthless and wealthy warrior against the Soviet Union. It was the desire of the American government to deliver to the Soviets their own Vietnam, to arrange a hopeless military situation which would demoralize the Soviet military and bleed that nation dry. Osama bin Laden played the part of the Viet Cong, and he was good at it. With the help of the American government, he was able to create an army of true believers in Afghanistan. Our government believed that if one bin Laden was good, a hundred would be better, and a thousand better again, in the fight against the Soviets. So strong was this group America helped to create that it became known as 'The Base.' Translated into the local dialect, 'The Base' is known as al Qaeda. Osama bin Laden learned something else besides the art of killing while he was working as an ally of the United States. He learned that given enough time, enough money, enough violence, enough perseverance, and enough fellow warriors, a superpower can be brought to its knees and erased from the book of history. Bin Laden was at the center of one of the most important events of the 20th century: The fall of the Soviet Union. Political pundits like to credit Reagan and the senior Bush for the collapse of that regime, but out in front of them, in the mountains of Afghanistan, was Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda, the sharp end of our sword, who did their job very well. Today, the United States faces this group and its leader, armed with their well-learned and America-taught lessons: How to
[Biofuel] Filtering BD
Well, it worked like a charm. I removed the in-line filter combo'd with a furncae filter and left the furnace filetr (felt liner) in place and backed it up with a Cummins FF105 fuel filter which I got along with the mounting bracket at a truck repair place. It works great ! Gives the BD a nice polished finish as well :) Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] More on pump washing
Having tried all sorts of methods, none of which did the job well, I settled on hooking up the water exit pipe from the standpipe design, http://www.veggieavenger.com/avengerboard/viewtopic.php?t=333 to a Pony Pump and have it run up into the wash tank via a T fitting with braided hose that had holes drilled into it, larger holes for the cross than for the lead. The system works pretty well for those who, like me, have a head space clearance problem, although the plan is to replace the T with a cross in the near future (as soon as I can find one in the right size) as that will give more even distribution of the H2O. Right now I give it a swirl with the drill and paint stirrer after pumping for about 1/2 hour just for good measure, but this is not ideal. I do not have the head space required to hook up a stirring mechanism or that is the way I would go, so this has to be made to work well enough to produce the desired complete results without having to bend into the wash tank with a paint stirrer to be sure the job got done right. I am alos thinking of reducing the hose size for the lead hose in order to increase the pressure so that I will get a hard rain effect over the BD, any thoughts ? Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll
Not only is there a lacking in undersanding of the world but also considering the so-called christian support for the illigitimate US government, one needs to only read what the Bible teaches and one would see that It also is overtly socialistic and most definetly NOT materialistic or in favour of hegemony upon the poor, so it's two strikes all the way around. Actually, the only form of government that sees capitalism and government meld is fascism; couple that with misrepresented and obliquely interpreted religious belief and you have the mess the US is in right now. It is neither Christian nor democratic as their actions have more than clearly proven. When actually faced with the democratic process in a general vote at the UN prior to the invasion of sovereign Iraq, when it became clear that the democratic vote process would not favour the warmongers they left off all semblance of their hypocrisy and invaded anyway, throwing off the democratic process proving once and for all that democracy only interests them in word only and that only when it serves their selfish purpose. A complete re-think of the hubris that engulfs this situation is not only needed but necessary if we are not to see perpetual war foisted upon the innnocent in a never ending lust for control of world oil reserves. Luc - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 10:08 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll Wayne, You have to work on your understanding of the world and systems. Socialism as system and idea is quite more democratic and respectful to human rights than the traditional US republican ideal. I hope that Bush is not necessarily representative for US way of life, it is at least not my experiences and it would be quite frightening if he was. Looking at numbers, he cannot claim to represent even half of the US population. So your opinion is not representative for US nor the majority of the US population and we should be very grateful for that. Hakan At 12:01 AM 9/15/2004, you wrote: Since most of the world is more socialist than democratic and does not like the US way of life in the first place, of course they would want the candidate that would be most destructive to the US. Just my opinion! Wayne --- MH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most countries want Kerry in White House Sep 9, 2004 http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_9-9-2004_pg4_2 WASHINGTON: A majority of people in 30 of 35 countries want Democratic party flagbearer John Kerry in the White House, according to a survey released Wednesday showing US President George W Bush rebuffed by all of America's traditional allies. On average, Senator Kerry was favored by more than a two-to-one margin - 46 percent to 20 percent, the survey by GlobeScan Inc, a global research firm, and the local University of Maryland, showed. Only one in five want to see Bush reelected, said Steven Kull, the university's program on international policy attitudes. Though he is not as well known, Kerry would win handily if the people of the world were to elect the US president. The only countries where Bush was preferred in the poll covering a total of 34,330 people and conducted in July and August were the Philippines, Nigeria and Poland. India and Thailand were divided. The margin of error in the survey covering all regions of the world ranged from plus or minus 2.3 to five percent. Kerry was strongly preferred among all of America's traditional allies, including Norway (74 percent compared with Bush's seven percent), Germany (74 percent to 10 percent), France (64 percent to five percent), the Netherlands (63 percent to six percent), Italy (58 percent to 14 percent) and Spain (45 percent to seven percent). Even in Britain, where Prime Minister Tony Blair is Bush's closest ally in the war on terror, Kerry trounced the incumbent 47 percent to 16 percent. Kerry was also greatly favored among Canadians by 61 percent to Bush's 16 percent and among the Japanese by 43 percent to 23 percent. Even among countries that have contributed troops to Iraq, most favored Kerry, and said that their view of US foreign policy has gotten worse under Bush. They included Britain, the Czech Republic, Italy, the Netherlands, the Dominican Republic, Thailand, Kazakhstan, Japan, Norway and Spain. Asked how President Bush's foreign policy had affected their feelings towards the United States, a majority of those polled in 31 countries said it made them feel worse about America, while those in only three countries said it had made them feel better. Perhaps most sobering for Americans is the strength of the
[Biofuel] Biodiesel Description, History and Properties
From Wikipedia: I have found it quite informative, and in confirmation of most of what I have read at JtF. Rudolf ran his first engine on SVO peanut oil, for the record. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biodiesel ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Schwarzenegger and ChevronTexaco
And let us not forget that Chevron was one of the main players in Afghanistan's Caspian pipeline project until the Taliban got to wanting a representative cut of the pie. The rest is history, ... but it's not about the oil Luc - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 2:45 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Schwarzenegger and ChevronTexaco http://www.tallahassee.com/mld/tallahassee/business/technology/9566168.htm AP Wire | 09/02/2004 | Thu, Sep. 02, 2004 Schwarzenegger and ChevronTexaco TOM CHORNEAU Associated Press SACRAMENTO - Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger's ambitious plan to reorganize almost every aspect of state government was influenced significantly by oil and gas giant ChevronTexaco Corp., which managed to shape such key recommendations as the removal of restrictions on oil refineries. Many corporations and interest groups participated in the governor's reform plan - known as the California Performance Review - but state records and interviews with the participants show Chevron enjoyed immense success in influencing the report through its array of lobbyists, attorneys and trade organizations. And few corporations have spent so much political cash on the governor, either. Since Schwarzenegger's election last October, the San Ramon company has contributed more than $200,000 to his committees and $500,000 to the California Republican Party. Chevron, whose officials acknowledge they lobbied hard to get their ideas in the report, is one of about 20 companies that paid to send the governor and his staff to this week's Republican National Convention in New York. On Wednesday, Schwarzenegger attended a closed-door meeting in New York with representatives of those companies, including Chevron. And just three weeks after the governor's office released the 2,700-page reorganization report, the company gave $100,000 to a Schwarzenegger-controlled political fund. Environmental watchdogs and local agencies that regulate some of Chevron's operations complain that they had no such access, and that their counterproposals appear nowhere in the massive report. Disclosure of Chevron's determined role in what many believe is the administration's most important political reform effort contrasts sharply with statements he made during last year's election campaign and afterward in which he promised to sweep out a corrupt system where contributions go in, the favors go out. Schwarzenegger launched the reorganization effort in January, calling the state bureaucracy a mastodon frozen in time that needed to be reviewed from top to bottom to eliminate waste and duplication. The administration said the recommendations in the report would save $32 billion over five years, a claim analysts said is exaggerated. Although the governor's senior aides helped organize and oversee the reorganization effort, a spokeswoman for Schwarzenegger said the review staff, not the governor's office, was responsible for the report. Schwarzenegger announced the review in January and then appointed its two top members, who then assembled the rest of the staff. Ashley Snee, the governor's deputy press secretary, said it was premature to assume any of the recommendations will be adopted and that those who are unhappy with parts of the report can comment at a series of statewide hearings on the proposal. Proposals that would benefit Chevron are peppered throughout the four-volume report. They include: _ Streamlining the permit process for the construction of new oil refineries and the expansion of existing ones. Chevron, which owns two of the state's largest refineries in Richmond and El Segundo, wanted the state's help in revising existing laws so local government officials would be required to make decisions more quickly on construction permits at refineries. _ Streamlining the activities of the San Francisco Bay Conservation and Development Commission. That agency, which issues permits for dredging and sand mining in the Bay Area, oversees activities related to Chevron's interests in the Bay Area. _ Reorganizing the regulatory process for picking the locations for refineries, tank farms, liquefied natural gas and other energy facilities. Chevron has two proposals to build liquefied natural gas (LNG) facilities in Southern California and the Mexican state of Baja California. California's ability to produce gasoline is shrinking at the same time demand for gasoline is rising, contributing to California's dubious position as a national leader in the fuel prices. Time-consuming, costly and complex permitting processes are among the obstacles to expanding ... California's petroleum infrastructure to meet the growing demand, the CPR report said. The state needs to streamline its permitting processes to allow supply to more readily keep pace with demand, so that price volatility and price
Re: [Biofuel] replacement diesel engine
Hi AL; I remember one post somewhere that mentioned that someone was dropping a Mercedes 300D engine into a Toyota pick up truck. Seems to me it said it was basically plug and play as all the mounts ect were in the right place. Maybe someone else will remember this better than I and be able to give references. Now THAT would be a great collection truck for WVO, no ? Luc - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 3:41 PM Subject: [Biofuel] replacement diesel engine Hi, There has been some talk on this list a while back about small cubic image replacement engine for American cars, but I was wondering does anyone make them for foreign cars? I would like to a diesel in a mazda 626 or toyota camry. I really didn't spend much time looking, but are there options to do this? Thanks, Al ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Why We Cannot Win
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 1:13 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Why We Cannot Win Hi; As a Canadian I have watched the Iraq situation with concern and apprehension. Like most Canadians I feel strongly connected to U.S.A.; Funny I don't feel that way, and now even more so than ever. I have always loved and respected their love of capitalism and democracy. They actually have a great hubris and love of money, not the same. It is very sad that so many Amercians and innocent Iraq citizens are being killed or seriously wounded especially when the deaths could of/can be avoided. It is the duty of every soldier to refuse to obey illegal orders, and since the whole invasion is illegal they have a legal and moral duty to disobey and get out. What is far more disturbing is the loss of freedom and individual rights within the USA--a loss that can easily spread across to Canada and beyond. Too late,already done. To any intelligent observer the best course of action, post 9/11, would of been the launch of a co-ordinated international police action NOT an unnecessary, illegal, and unjust war--a never ending one. As soon as the democratic process of a general vote at the Un was obviously NOT going to be in favour of war, the US walked out and invaded. America would of been completely supported in such an action, would of been accepted as leaders in the action, and all of the world would of been significantly safer with such an action. I know that there are many Americans who share my concerns. I know that it is a significant act of bravery for an American to actual voice their opposition to the Iraq war--I encourage and salute such bravery. I pray that America will return to her previous role as a moderate, intelligent, and benign world leader ( one with flaws but always willing to debate and change their actions). America has never ever done anything sacrificially. It's hubris makes it think so, but the hard facts are that whenever the USA has helped anyone it has ALWAYS been with a whole whack of strings attached. Luc Alex --- Biofuel mailing [EMAIL PROTECTED]://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuelBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlBiofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable):http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] US to sell 5000 smart bombs to Israel
isreal is the ONLY country in the middle east that DOES possess WMD's, nuclear as well as chem weapons of mass destruction. They have reperetedly refused the UN inspection passage and thier Dimona nuke plank is leaking like a sieve. Afghanistan and Iraq were bombed and invaded and their infrastucture destroyed, their children slaughtered, air anw water polulted with depleted uranium with a shelf life of BILLIONS of yearsw for a lot less than what Israel has and is doing, but good thing Congress keeps taking money from AIPAC, the center of the new spy scandal, to ensure that the US continues to veto any action that might paint Israel is it's true light. Luc - Original Message - From: fox mulder [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 4:36 AM Subject: [Biofuel] US to sell 5000 smart bombs to Israel Source: Al Jazeera http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/8C117F99-C20E-4738-A15B- 0BF683A1B21B.htm US to sell Israel 5000 smart bombs Israel has used US-made bombs to kill several Palestinians The United States will reportedly sell Israel nearly 5000 smart bombs in one of the largest weapons deals between the allies in years. The deal could face political controversy since Israel has used such bombs against the Palestinians. In one such instance in July 2002, a one-tonne bomb meant for a senior Palestinian resistance fighter also killed 15 civilians in an attack in the Gaza Strip. The deal is worth $319 million and was revealed in a Pentagon report made to the US Congress a few weeks ago, Israeli daily Haaretz said on Tuesday. Funding for the sale will come from US military aid to Israel. The bombs include airborne versions, guidance units, training bombs and detonators. These bombs are guided by an existing Israeli satellite used by the military. As part of the deal, Israel will receive 500 one-tonne bunker-buster bombs that can destroy 2m-thick concrete walls, 2500 regular one-tonne bombs, 1000 half-tonne bombs and 500 quarter-tonne bombs, the daily said. Bunker bombs Known by the military designations GBU-27 or GBU-28, bunker busters are guided by lasers or satellites and can penetrate up to 10 metres of earth and concrete. Israel may already have some of the bombs for its F-15 fighter jets, the paper reported. As they are part of the weapon set for the F-15, I would assume them to be in place, said Robert Hewson, editor of Jane's Air-Launched Weapons. Acquiring BLU-109s, which are mounted on satellite-guided bombs, would boost Israel 's capabilities, foreign experts say. Israel very likely manufactures its own bunker busters, but they are not as robust as the 2000lb ( 910kg ) BLUs, Robert Hewson, editor of Jane's Air-Launched Weapons, said. He said the bombs proved effective in the 1991 Gulf war and the more recent US-led invasion of Iraq . The US embassy in Israel had no comment, referring queries to Washington .Israel 's Defence Ministry also declined to comment. The Pentagon wants the deal to maintain Israel's military advantages and ensure US strategic and tactical interests, Haaretz said. Bombs for neighbours? Haaretz said Israel sought to obtain the US-made, one-tonne bunker-buster bombs for a possible future strike against Iran or Syria . A senior Israeli security source confirmed the Haaretz story saying: ... bunker busters could serve Israel against Iran , or possibly Syria . Our response to any invasive measure will be massive, Massoud Jazairi, spokesman for Iran 's Revolutionary Guard, said in Tehran . Iran , which does not recognise Israel 's right to exist, says its nuclear programme has only peaceful purposes to meet its growing energy needs. An Iranian Defence Ministry spokesman said the disclosure of a US-Israeli deal could be psychological warfare to test us ... This relationship has a long history. The United States has given Israel more advanced weapons than this. ~~ ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] WVO Gen-Set
- Original Message - From: Adefolu Adedeji [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 4:35 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] WVO Gen-Set Hi Steve, I have a gen set in Nigeria proposed to power a Quarry plant. What kits do I need to convert it to run on vegetable and other organic food waste. I'll leave that to Steve or someone who knows the answer however,... I am a medical doctor and not too technically minded. How do I get a mini biodiesel manufacturing plant. http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html all the info you could want. Also check out the processors page; http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor.html for some ideas as to what type you might want to build. I also am not very mechanically minded, being the son of a doctor :) and never taught the finer things of working with one's hands as opposed to one's head, but that did not stop me from building a top notch unit , IMHO, that suits my needs just fine and is expandable should I need it to. Luc Folu Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Slogan
Biodiesel is for life ? Yup, that one does it for me. It has enough word play to keep the grey matter going, and it says it all. Make 'em think,damnit ! Luc - Original Message - From: Andres Yver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 8:00 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Slogan On Thursday, September 23, 2004, at 08:18 PM, Bill Clark wrote: Biodiesel is for Life Nice! Short and sweet, works on many levels. It's the converse of that other really good one, fossil fuels are extinct. andres ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Overdoing the Catalyst
OK, I am getting old, or stupid or both :) I put about 90 gr of NaOH too much in my batch of 80 liters when it needed only 400gr I put 490gr due to a math misnomer. Anyone know how I can correct this barring having the lobotamy reversed ? Thanks Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Overdoing the Catalyst
I am using the one stage method and NaOH and . plumb out of luck me thinks. I don't know how I got that so screwed up except that I am thinking in terms of tens these days and themetric system lends itself VERY well to increments of ten :) and I probably figured 100 liters instead of 80. That'll teach me to not be paying attention more than that. I hope I didn't screw up the batch. One thing though, I WILL have to get to it before it solidifies, wghich it will do with excess NaOH in it. Ah, the trials and tribulations of biodieseling. Luc - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 10:13 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Overdoing the Catalyst If you're only as far as mixing the catalyst with MeOH, then add the appropriate amount of MeOH to dilute the methoxide to the appropriate strength. If you've already added it to the oil, your plumb out of luck. Hope for the best. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 7:21 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Overdoing the Catalyst OK, I am getting old, or stupid or both :) I put about 90 gr of NaOH too much in my batch of 80 liters when it needed only 400gr I put 490gr due to a math misnomer. Anyone know how I can correct this barring having the lobotamy reversed ? Thanks Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Overdoing the Catalyst
- Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 9:18 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Overdoing the Catalyst I don't know how you're coming up with the guarantee that it will solidify, especially if it hasn't already. Actually I do not necessarily view it as a guarentee although my reactor sleeps in s non-winterized shed and the night temps are on the way down right now and it is the small amount in the exposed plumbing that may harden if any at all, which was exactly the case today after I went to drain the glycerine. It had geled in the plumbing just out of the reactor and before the isolation valve, so a little heat on the inside and some gentle tapping with a wrench on the plumbing to cause some vibration and it loosened right up. The time window of these posts is days broader than the time it takes for a reaction to take place, whether it be transesterification or saponification. If you really screwed up you'd know it in 24 hours or less. The transesterification takes only a fraction of that time. It seems that it did not go south on me, although that is still a preliminary report :) If, as you imply, the reaction is still liquid, then you ended up with biodiesel with perhaps a higher fraction of soap. Give it a full 24-48 hours for the glyc cocktail to settle and then conduct two very gentle washes that amount only to a light swirl to prevent the excess soaps from binding up as little fuel as possible. Ah, I love it when I come to right conclusion and have it confirmed by people with more experience than I. Thanks for your help Todd. Luc Todd Swearingen ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Re[2]: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll
One does not need a buidling to live the precepts of Christ, and in fact there are many more Christians outside of church buildings than there are inside them. The blatant hypocricy of the so-called christians in their moral and fianacial support for perpetual wars waged on lies and fabrications is testimony in itself to their hypocricy. Rather than twisting Scripture to make it fit an already decided agenda, the Bible is intended as a road map of life and all those who truly live their faith (be they Christian. Muslim or those calling themselves jews) with inevitably all fall within the parameters of what is taught there. Love, Christ's main message, does not war on the poor, nor does it steal the life of children who have not yet had an opportunity to grow and experience life. Wherefore by their fruit ye shall know them; actions are louder than words, and even INaction is in itself an action, howbeit one that allows it's author more anonymity. Luc - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 12:17 PM Subject: Re: Re[2]: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll Gustl, Thank you for your thoughtful input. As usual, I agree with what you have to say. I did struggle with whether to use the present or past tense in the message. My goal was a message directed at those that call themselves Christian, but live their lives in a way that conflicts with everything taught by Christ. Despite being raised in an environment where I spent a great deal of time in church, and spending many years receiving an education with strong Christian content (including a year of seminary), I do not currently consider myself a Christian. I do believe in what Christ taught, and do my best to live my life according to those principles. However, I abhor the hypocrisy of organized religion and refuse to participate. Of course, these are just my ideas. I do not expect anyone else to live their life according to my beliefs. Just wanted to let you know that I do agree with the principle of what you say, and appreciate your saying it. Brian Hallo Brian, Sunday, 26 September, 2004, 21:19:20, you wrote: brn One of my bumper sticker ideas: brn Jesus was a Liberal Pacifist. Given Christian tradition Jesus is above liberal/conservative distinctions. He is no respecter of persons and one person is not more important to Him than another whether Jew, Roman, Samaritan, Greek, saint, sinner, priest, tax collector, whore, good, evil, believer, non-believer whatever. Perhaps (but not necessarily) more importantly Jesus did not preach or espouse pacifism. He taught and practiced non-resistance to evil and returning good for evil. Pacifism is born in the mind and non resistance is born in the heart (spirit). An atheist can be a pacifist and return good for evil as a political tactic. Non-resistance and the concomitant returning of good for evil is a religious act of love. The heart is changed. And perhaps the most important thing for those holding Christian beliefs is the tense used. It should be present tense not past. :o) This is only my understanding of things however. Others may disagree however. :o) Happy Happy, Gustl -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. Mitglied-Team AMIGA ICQ: 22211253-Gustli The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Stra§e liegen, da§ sie gerade deshalb von der gewhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. George Carlin The best portion of a good man's life - His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. William Wordsworth ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: [Off Topic]US to sell 5000 smart bombs to Israel
OK, in oreer for the invasion of Iraq to have been legal, according to the US warmongers in any case, there has to be an ascent from Congress. Congress in this case gave an authority PROVIDED a link between Saddam/AlQueda and 9-11 could be established. IT WAS CONDITIONAL. Bush and the neo-con warmongers stepped over that provision and went ahead and invaded on whatever trumped up excuse du jpur happened to be palatable, as Wolfowitz clearly admitted, the WMD thing was a concensus that they could all agree on, not necessarily the truthful one, just something they could all get behind. Of course, there never was any link of Saddam, Al Queda or 9-11 which therefore means that the Congressional anuthority was NOT inplace and Bushy et warmoigering baby killers went in on theri own and the wholer damn thing is ILLEGAL and therefore any order given by any officer that adversely affected the health and welfare of any Iraqi was/is ILLEGAL. Bref, their very presence in that country is a war crime, having no legal authority from ANYONE for it, other than from the Israeli neo-cons that fed the White House bogus intel via the AIPAC spies which are now under scrutiny by the FBI but Rummy is doingeverything he can to squash the investigation for fear that it might5 uncover the classified info tha Israelis had something to do with 9-11, See carl Cameron's 4 part Fox News story about the Isreali Spy Ring (do a Google) and how it was all classified by the Bushies. Therefore, any soldier in Iraq is their illegally and ANY order that he/she obeys is illegal, other than one ordering them to get out of the counrty and go home (where they will polute everything they come in contact with by DU exposure, that glow in the dark sensation...) I am no fan of war, nor of those who wage them. Luc - Original Message - From: Greg Harbican [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 2:04 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re: [Off Topic]US to sell 5000 smart bombs to Israel - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 07:39 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re: [Off Topic]US to sell 5000 smart bombs to Israel Is it a soldier's duty to do whatever he/she's told? Hi Keith, Perhaps I can put some light on the subject, having been in the military a while back. !!! I am not an expert, but, merely someone that has seen the military from the inside, from the lower ranks !!! There are a few things that a solder is required to know: 1) A general knowledge of the Uniform Code of Military Justice ( UCMJ ), which is a federal law, enacted by Congress. See: http://usmilitary.about.com/library/milinfo/ucmj/blucmj.htm 2) *A rough idea of the various conventions of war, and what they mean ( more on this below ) for him or her. A few of the basic ideas of the UCMJ, is that: 1) The UCMJ will be used against them, if they break the rules. 2) The solder must follow the UCMJ. 3) If a superior gives an order, it is to be assumed, that it is a lawful ( under UCMJ ) order. If the solder thinks that it is unlawful order, based on the UCMJ, then it is their duty to bring it to the attention of their superior, but, he may be in big trouble if he does and is wrong.OTOH, if he does not, bring it to the attention of his superior, and does not do what he is told, he can still get into trouble for disobeying a order. If the solder, brings it to, the attention of the superior, and the superior continues with the order, then the solder has a few choices, none of which are real good for the solder, especially if he is wrong. a) Take the issue up the chain of command. b) Seek military legal counsel. c) Refuse to follow the order. d) Follow the order, but, do their best to mitigate the worst of it's effects, and then report it to the proper people ( ' b ' ) as soon as possible. Of all of the options ' b ' is the best. In the middle of combat, the solder, only really has the options of ' c ' and ' d ' ( and both are going to cause problems for the solder, ' c ' may even allow the death penalty of the solder if the results are bad enough ), unless legal counsel or someone that is higher in the chain of command is immediately available to consult not likely. -A U.S. solder in service does not have the U.S. Constitution to back him up, the UCMJ, is the best that the solder can go by, and the UCMJ can be interpretated and applied very liberally, depending sometimes on the mood of the superior that brings charges against a solder. -One thing you can be sure of, in any case, the higher the rank, the more responsible that solder becomes for the orders they give, and the worst the punishment generally becomes.. If someone commits unlawful acts on their own, then, the solder that committed them becomes the sole responsible party, and
Re: [Biofuel] Noble gesture by Bush
Not too many, but Odigo, the Israeli messaging service, got a heads up two hours before the planes hit. Search Haaretz (a Jerusalem media) for the story. Luc - Original Message - From: francisco j burgos [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 9:37 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Noble gesture by Bush By the way... just for the records, do you know how many presidents, vice-presidents and/or CEOs (americans or foreigners) died in the WTC?. I assume at the time of impact they most of them must be on their posts. F. - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 8:54 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Noble gesture by Bush Following some of the election speeches by Bush, he is talking by the 3,800+ Americans that died at WTC. If I am not completely misinformed, about half of them were foreign nationals originally, but they must have been adopted by presidential decree or some other mechanism. A very nice gesture, but the problem I have, were they asked before they became Americans? I heard that if you are born on American soil, you are automatically American or have the right to be, I did not know that it was the same case if you died on American soil. Hakan ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll
Perhaps some phylosophical statements do have contradictory appendages, however this statement was made by Jesus Christ and disagreement will have to be taken up with Him :) Luc - Original Message - From: Tomas Juknevicius [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 7:00 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll Legal Eagle wrote: Wherefore by their fruit ye shall know them; actions are louder than words, and even INaction is in itself an action, howbeit one that allows it's author more anonymity. Luc Hi, not trying to contradict, or to develop discussion, just one point about adage: it seams that each old adage/proverb has an allways an opposite proverb/adage; and so sometimes people try to substantiate their points by conveniently choosing one of them, and forgetting about the other. This is sooo convenient :)) in particular: actions are louder than words has an opposing: Actions speak louder than words. But words survive when actions are dust. -- Tomas Juknevicius ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Noble gesture by Bush
Ever notice how that there are no MIA's (Missing In Action)reported ? You have the dead, the wounded but no MIA's. Every war has MIA's, where are these ? Maybe that is where the mass graves come in that they have unearthed lately and perhaps that is why the Reuters cameraman was killed filming US casualties in mass graves a few months back. Something stinks and the nation continues to live in denial that we are experiencing true evil taking root. Luc - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 8:54 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Noble gesture by Bush Following some of the election speeches by Bush, he is talking by the 3,800+ Americans that died at WTC. If I am not completely misinformed, about half of them were foreign nationals originally, but they must have been adopted by presidential decree or some other mechanism. A very nice gesture, but the problem I have, were they asked before they became Americans? I heard that if you are born on American soil, you are automatically American or have the right to be, I did not know that it was the same case if you died on American soil. Hakan ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: [Off Topic]US to sell 5000 smart bombs to Israel
Not to worry, when it comes to people killing babies I do not have political preferences, although when Psycho (that is his nickname at the Top Gun flight school)the pilot bombed the Canuks in Afghanistan, -so he could get a notch on his tail fin - my opinion only, I didn't shed much of a tear then either. Run with the wolves, get bitten. Canada has no more justification to be involved in Afghanistan than the US has to be in Iraq, although it IS clear that Canada is simply kissing heinie at the expense of it's soldiers' blood. After all, according to the warmongers, Canadians are all woossies for not jumping on the crime spree band wagon in Iraq while not too many years ago Canada was the cat's meow when it's embassy sheltered the US diplomats from the Iranian student uprising, but then what have they done for us today, huh? The US is no friend to anybody, when carefully looked at. They have NEVER ever done anything sacrificially in it's entire existance. There is ALWAYS a payoff in it's favour in whatever action it takes, even when those actions are touted as being benign. Sorry, I just simply don't trust the US and it's friends to lead us into anything but a mess. Luc - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 8:58 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Re: [Off Topic]US to sell 5000 smart bombs to Israel Afghanistan and Iraq were bombed and invaded and their infrastucture destroyed, their children slaughtered, air anw water polulted with depleted uranium with a shelf life of BILLIONS of yearsw for a lot less than what Israel has and is doing,snip Luc = Good evening (Bonsoir) Luc, While you are on this subject...if you happen to cross paths where you live with some of the fine Canadian (Canadien) soldiers that were fighting side-by-side with the USA in Afghanistanwould you let your true feelings be heard and tell them in their face that they are murderers, thugs, and baby killers? Actually ,yes, have you ? Luc Just curious, 8~) Ron (Roland) B. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] (no subject)
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 6:21 PM Subject: [Biofuel] (no subject) As a new reader of the list and new to the biofuel concept, are there any specific things I need to be aware of in looking at a car to run the biodiesel? Do yourself a favour, locate a older Mercedes; 1980's 240D or 300D (turbo) and upgrade it. Or, if you have the bucks try out the 1995 E300D Mercedes, reputed to be one of the better engines for BD along with the other aforementined. My 240D (1983) runs like new on B100. It just loves the stuff and I am more than happy to give it a steady diet :) Luc The only current production diesel available in the states, that I have found is the one by VW that is used in the Jetta and the Golf. Are there others? I do not have a problem with buying older models either. Any particular make or model that seems to have the least amount of issues using the biodiesel? I am new to diesels as well. I will start reading the archives, but I would like to get some of these answers to start me looking in the right direction for a car. Thanks in advance. Boliver Allmon ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Re[2]: [Biofuel] Re: [Off Topic]US to sell 5000 smart bombs to Israel
- Original Message - From: Gustl Steiner-Zehender [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 11:15 AM Subject: Re[2]: [Biofuel] Re: [Off Topic]US to sell 5000 smart bombs to Israel Hallo All, Tuesday, 28 September, 2004, 09:39:31, you wrote: Hi Hakan, Thanks for your reply, but Luc in a previous post (Why We Cannot Win), mentioned it was the duty of a soldier to refuse to fight in an illegal war. KA Is it a soldier's duty to do whatever he/she's told? This is the unfortunate reality...you are told it is your duty to refuse an illegal order but if you do refuse the order you can be brought up on charges and you WILL be told that you obey the order and lodge a complaint later. You are damned if you do and damned if you don't. The perfect catch22. But if you don't you at least have the inner peace of not having murdered people on the say-so of some one obviously not interested in law or moral righteousness. However it plays out you will find that the responsibility for anything wrong which is done will be placed as far down the chain of command as possible and preferably on an enlisted person. If an enlisted person cannot be found to be the goat the responsibility will fall on the lowest ranking officer possible. In My Lai it was Lt. Calley although the Colonel who gave the order to waste 'em should have been held responsible. And speaking of General My Lai Powell who did everything in his ability to try to curtail and bury that little bit of misfortune. Of course the only misfortune is that it became public. At Abu Ghraib it fell on a female General who was in charge but it should have gone much higher up the chain of command. It works the same way in government service. Tenet fell on his sword but the responsibility really belonged to Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, Cheney and Bush. The entire intelligence community is biting the bullet for the actions of Feith. Colin Powell betrayed his own honor for the team and lied through his teeth. There is no honor in these people when it comes to covering their own backs. Which President was it that had a The Buck Stops Here plaque on his desk ? Meaning that after everyone else had finished passing the buck around he would himself take responsibility when the cowards had all made themselves known. UNfortunetly, the plaque has been lost and all that is left are moral cowards. Luc Happy Happy, Gustl -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. Mitglied-Team AMIGA ICQ: 22211253-Gustli The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Stra§e liegen, da§ sie gerade deshalb von der gewhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. George Carlin The best portion of a good man's life - His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. William Wordsworth ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Israel's Terrorists
Here is yet one more article showing those dirty terrorists that Israel loves to hunt down. http://feeds.bignewsnetwork.com/?sid=94b841fa40055601 Ah, the brave IDF and it's US supporters and so-called christian enablers. What champions of right and righteousness ! What did Jesus say ? Suffer the little children to come unto me for OF SUCH is the kingdom of Heaven, but do these phoney so-call christian enablers of wars and slaughter interpret that ?- make the little chikldren suffer. Sick bastards. Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Israel's Terrorists
- Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 7:50 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Israel's Terrorists Luc, Small problem, even if the Christians, the Muslims and the Jews have the same God, it is only the Christians who recognize and bother about what Jesus said. Not true, Islam recognizes Jesus as a Prophet and cares a great deal about what He said. Islam also concurs with the virgin birth of Mary and also agree with the Christian belief that Jesus will return, however the Talmudists have Him boiling in hot excrement in hell, and Mary, His mother, an adultress who fornicated with a Roman soldier from where Jesus was conceived, a bastard son. Those are, of course, major differences. Since Israel is one of the few states who are based on and declared as a religious state for the Jews (therefore not democratic), Sorry, but wrong again. Israel was to be a homeland for those calling themsleves jews and was only created after the Zionists coerced Britain into the Balfour Declaration which was later ratified by the UN, officially giving a chunk of Palestine to the Zionists for a jewish homeland. The religious aspect was an afterthought and not part of the original intent, althopugh generally accepted as such. There are still today many many of those calling themselves jews who do not recognise the political state of Israel nor it's crimes as being legitimately appologizable. I am afraid that they do not care about Jesus either. This means that Israel cannot be counted as belonging to the Christian enablers, No one is suggesting that those who live in Israel and call themselves jews are the enablers; that reference was to those so-called christians in the US's major churches who have overwhelmingly endorced and financed the Iraq atrocity in complete disaccord with the teachings of Christ. but they do activities that some would call war, others would call it occupation, persecution, and discrimination against population in occupied areas, in itself a war crime according to international law. I does not really matter, since neither US or Israel recognize the court who would enforce such international laws, at least when it suits them. The same with the UN authority. The deck of cards is stacked and it is nothing that anyone can do about it, other than accept it in front of the barrel of the gun Mao's little red book had it well, quoting the famed Chinese leader as stating,Peace is best achieved by the barrel of the gun. Great minds think alike huh? and the threat that Americans will stop eating foreign food, like French fried. The latter did not work and the US version of those French fried potatoes would not be passed by a French chef anyway, so why bother. The bother is that when these killers of the innocent try to tell us via their controlled lap dogs that they are only attacking terrorists and that is a blatant outright lie, and it is this lie that deserves to be exposed, as well as those who support it and propagate it, not to mention the so-called rational that they use as justification for such acts of barbarism. Luc Hakan At 12:55 AM 10/1/2004, you wrote: Here is yet one more article showing those dirty terrorists that Israel loves to hunt down. http://feeds.bignewsnetwork.com/?sid=94b841fa40055601 Ah, the brave IDF and it's US supporters and so-called christian enablers. What champions of right and righteousness ! What did Jesus say ? Suffer the little children to come unto me for OF SUCH is the kingdom of Heaven, but do these phoney so-call christian enablers of wars and slaughter interpret that ?- make the little chikldren suffer. Sick bastards. Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Question about biodiesel
It is my understanding that ALL diesels need a glow plug ignition of some sort. Luc - Original Message - From: frag lag [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 1:21 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Question about biodiesel i have an old italian compression diesel here (500cc) , a no runner at the moment , would biodiesel work in it or do i need an ignition source (glowplug) _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Cheap oil
- Original Message - From: Walt Patrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 1:53 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Cheap oil At 08:51 AM 9/30/04 -0500, Ross wrote: I just encountered two articles at my library that strengthens my belief that we are beginning to see the end of cheap oil NOW from how we've always known it. Good article with some interesting points, but I feel the need to quibble a bit. Very good quibble :) Luc The problem is that oil _is_ cheap, even at $50 a barrel because while a barrel of oil is real, the dollar is not. The oil crisis of the '70s was triggered by Nixon's decision to remove the dollar's gold backing and OPEC's rational response to his decision. Now, we're facing a similar situation. The world is being flooded with dollar denominated debt, a tidal wave which is going to affect the dollar denominated value of all commodities. People talk about fifty dollar a barrel oil as if fifty dollars means something. It doesn't. Each dollar is just a drop in a vast sea of unsupported, unredeemable debt, and as foreign investors start to catch on, the dollar is going to continue to fall in value. In short, it isn't so much a matter of the cost of oil going up, but rather the value of the dollar going down. Walt ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Question about biodiesel
Thanks for the info Erik. Learned something new today :) Luc - Original Message - From: Erik Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 10:16 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Question about biodiesel nope, some of them, especially the smaller ones like that do not need glow plugs. they fire off from the heat of compression only. in fact some tractors have no glow plugs either. i have no idea of percentage of them having or not having glow plugs, but the ones that we use on the farm do NOT have any glow plugs. they usually fire right off. i don't know how... biodiesel should ignite the same as petro diesel in such an engine. you should just give it a try. the only things to worry about are rubber seals or hoses in the fuel system. they can be swelled by biodiesel or perhaps worse if it's the wrong material. erik --- Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is my understanding that ALL diesels need a glow plug ignition of some sort. Luc - Original Message - From: frag lag [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 1:21 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Question about biodiesel i have an old italian compression diesel here (500cc) , a no runner at the moment , would biodiesel work in it or do i need an ignition source (glowplug) _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Cheap oil
- Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 11:58 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Cheap oil Walt, The oil crisis in the 70's was triggered by the Israeli-Arab war and an attempt by the Oil producing countries to effect the world in this. Hakan See: The Seven Sisters -- The Great Oil Companies and the World They Made http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library.html#7sisters The Seven Sisters -- The Great Oil Companies and the World They Made, by Anthony Sampson, 1975 (out of print). The Seven Sisters (from a phrase first popularised by Italian oil tycoon Enrico Mattei): Exxon (Esso), Shell, BP, Gulf, Texaco, Mobil, Socal (Chevron) -- plus an eighth, the Compagnie Francaise Des Ptroles (CFP-Total). We scanned chapters 8-14 of the book and posted them under the subtitle OPEC, Big Oil and you at the Biofuel mailing list, where they raised much interest. I was so interested in the story, I went out and ordered myself a copy, wrote one list member. This is great reading, and gives us a small glimpse into the control that big oil has over us. Thanks. Seven chapters full-text online. See also: Who gets what from imported oil? Data from OPEC (Acrobat file, 36kb): http://www.opec.org/NewsInfo/WhoGetsWhat/2001.pdf Best wishes Keith An equally interesting and revealing read is The Rockerfeller File http://www.mega.nu:8080/ampp/gary_allen_rocker/index.html#metatop Showing that due to anti-trust laws levelled at him, Heir Rocky was forced to break up Standard Oil into the conglomerates we have with us today, while, of course, retaining much of their control. Luc At 07:53 PM 9/30/2004, you wrote: At 08:51 AM 9/30/04 -0500, Ross wrote: I just encountered two articles at my library that strengthens my belief that we are beginning to see the end of cheap oil NOW from how we've always known it. Good article with some interesting points, but I feel the need to quibble a bit. The problem is that oil _is_ cheap, even at $50 a barrel because while a barrel of oil is real, the dollar is not. The oil crisis of the '70s was triggered by Nixon's decision to remove the dollar's gold backing and OPEC's rational response to his decision. Now, we're facing a similar situation. The world is being flooded with dollar denominated debt, a tidal wave which is going to affect the dollar denominated value of all commodities. People talk about fifty dollar a barrel oil as if fifty dollars means something. It doesn't. Each dollar is just a drop in a vast sea of unsupported, unredeemable debt, and as foreign investors start to catch on, the dollar is going to continue to fall in value. In short, it isn't so much a matter of the cost of oil going up, but rather the value of the dollar going down. Walt ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] ultimate pump wash
OK, this time I think I just might have gotten it :) I was re-reading through the 90 liter processor at JtF as I recalled something about a shower head being used. Well, it turned out to be a watering can head, but same idea. I have set up a system where the water is pumped up from the exit pipe in the Standpipe design http://www.veggieavenger.com/avengerboard/viewtopic.php?t=333) to the top of the wash tank and there it is distributed via a T section to fall like rain over the BD. It works, but still not to my satisfaction. Enter the watering can idea. Instead of the T section with perferated hose actiing as a distributor tomorow I am on the hunt for a pair of large, flat shower heads that can be used instead. That should do it once and for all. The water gets pumped up and then falls like rain all over the surface of the BD washing it as it sinks to the bottom and gets pumped back up again and again and again. And that should about do it for the Ultimate Pump Wash :) Other methods might work better but with the very limited head space I have to work with this it is for me. I will post an update (even if it doesn't work... but it will, ha!) I figure that with TWO shower heads the entire area should be suficiently covered so as to do a good job, and that is the only thing I will be satisfied with, a GOOD job. Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] ultimate pump wash
- Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 12:57 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] ultimate pump wash Hello Luc It's no ordinary watering can head: Yup, I know, I already checked that out and followed the links; neat! http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor10.html Journey to Forever 90-litre processor Scroll down to processor lid. But all you need is the principle, of course, then adapt what you can find to do the same job in your set-up. As you're doing. I'm not quite clear on it though. The water gets pumped up and then falls like rain all over the surface of the BD - only the water? Or are you pumping BD as well, or mixed BD and water? If it's only the water, all you have is a sort of glorified mist-washer, with rain rather than mist. Well, maybe that's okay. But I'd've thought a pump would pull liquid out of the bottom faster than the water raining on top will percolate down, isn't it pulling BD as well, and mixing the water and BD? Is the BD getting mixed with water, or just rained on? Unfortunately it is only a glorified mist washer and the pump, a Pony Pump, doesn't quite suck fast and hard enough to get at the BD and water to give it as good a mix as a paint stirrer will. Once this set up installed and functional as is the next part of the set up will include a secondary settling tank for next Spring and this one WILL have a stirring mechanism as it will be outside the box, so-to-speak :) so head space will not be a concern and I can set up an inverted drill press on a stand or whatever with an extended paint stirrer or other makeshift apparatus that will give it the heave ho, but for now I have to make this present system functional without bubbling and this rain thing seems to be the only way to do it. given the space available to work with. Like I said, it does work, howbeit not as well as I would like, and so I am dogedly staying the course until I discover something that does work perfectly well for the application. Sticktoitivenes and perseverance are not things I lack, although they can also be a fault :) if blind. Luc regards Keith OK, this time I think I just might have gotten it :) I was re-reading through the 90 liter processor at JtF as I recalled something about a shower head being used. Well, it turned out to be a watering can head, but same idea. I have set up a system where the water is pumped up from the exit pipe in the Standpipe design http://www.veggieavenger.com/avengerboard/viewtopic.php?t=333) to the top of the wash tank and there it is distributed via a T section to fall like rain over the BD. It works, but still not to my satisfaction. Enter the watering can idea. Instead of the T section with perferated hose actiing as a distributor tomorow I am on the hunt for a pair of large, flat shower heads that can be used instead. That should do it once and for all. The water gets pumped up and then falls like rain all over the surface of the BD washing it as it sinks to the bottom and gets pumped back up again and again and again. And that should about do it for the Ultimate Pump Wash :) Other methods might work better but with the very limited head space I have to work with this it is for me. I will post an update (even if it doesn't work... but it will, ha!) I figure that with TWO shower heads the entire area should be suficiently covered so as to do a good job, and that is the only thing I will be satisfied with, a GOOD job. Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll
- Original Message - From: balaji [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 11:23 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll Hello Luc, Hakan et al, - Original Message - From: Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 4:26 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll Not only is there a lacking in undersanding of the world but also considering the so-called christian support for the illigitimate US government, one needs to only read what the Bible teaches and one would see that It also is overtly socialistic and most definetly NOT materialistic or in favour of hegemony upon the poor, so it's two strikes all the way around. All established religions teach the virtues of universal love, compassion, consideration for the frail, the aged and the needy. Many of them enjoin acts of charity, self abnegation and service to society as pious duty. It is only later that the teachings get distorted by twisted mean souls that hanker after the material and pine for what is not. A Christian cloak does little to hide the growing rot of greed, deceit, and unbridled arrogance of power that lies festering at the heart of the Iraq campaign. Of which there can be do doubt.If it looks like a duck, ect it IS a duck even if it is disguised as something else. Luc snip Luc - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 10:08 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll Wayne, You have to work on your understanding of the world and systems. Socialism as system and idea is quite more democratic and respectful to human rights than the traditional US republican ideal. I hope that Bush is not necessarily representative for US way of life, it is at least not my experiences and it would be quite frightening if he was. Looking at numbers, he cannot claim to represent even half of the US population. Considering how he got elected, he cannot even claim to represent even a fraction of the electorate. So your opinion is not representative for US nor the majority of the US population and we should be very grateful for that. Hakan At 12:01 AM 9/15/2004, you wrote: Since most of the world is more socialist than democratic and does not like the US way of life in the first place, of course they would want the candidate that would be most destructive to the US. Just my opinion! Wayne snip ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] ultimate pump wash
- Original Message - From: Jeff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] ultimate pump wash I would really be concerned with a system like this. If you are not careful on how it is set up, you will mix biodiesel and water as noted. Yes, and that isn't a problem for well made fuel as it will then seperate nicely once the mixing is done. I have done this verything with a drill attached pain stirrer; stuck it in there with the water and BD and gave it the once or twice over for several minutes. As expected, it all seperated as oil and water should and the wash was excellent. When the water comes through the biodiesel, it may not separate before it is suck up by the pump again. I would be really careful of a system like this unless you have a big water supply for the water wash and it is deep and the pick up point of the water is well below where the biodiesel and water meet. Irrelevant, see above. I think you could accomplish the same thing by putting a copper pipe through the biodiesel to the water, at the bottom. The copper pipe could have holes drilled in it at the water line, some above and some below. Then you could drill a bigger hole at the bottom of the copper pipe. Then you could run an air line through the pipe and bring it back around and put it in the hole at the bottom of the pipe and make sure the air hose is looking up. This way you could have the ultimate bubble wash as the air bubbles would bring the water from the bottom of the processor to the top and the water would go out the holes drilled at the top of the pipe and clean the biodiesel as it trickle backs down. I already have a bubble washer set up, I just don't want to do it that way. I have a wall of bubbles tube from the aquarium store that works well, and I have used it and it did work. The challenge is to get a pump to do it within the parameters that are allowed me. See my next post on a success story about that. As previously stated, you should make sure that the pipe is well below the point were biodiesel and water meet so you won't suck up any biodiesel and start to mix them up. Again, well made fuel won't be bothered by water/BD mixing as they will seperate out completely once the mixing stops. Luc Jeff From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] ultimate pump wash To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ; format=flowed Hello Luc It's no ordinary watering can head: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor10.html Journey to Forever 90-litre processor Scroll down to processor lid. But all you need is the principle, of course, then adapt what you can find to do the same job in your set-up. As you're doing. I'm not quite clear on it though. The water gets pumped up and then falls like rain all over the surface of the BD - only the water? Or are you pumping BD as well, or mixed BD and water? If it's only the water, all you have is a sort of glorified mist-washer, with rain rather than mist. Well, maybe that's okay. But I'd've thought a pump would pull liquid out of the bottom faster than the water raining on top will percolate down, isn't it pulling BD as well, and mixing the water and BD? Is the BD getting mixed with water, or just rained on? regards Keith OK, this time I think I just might have gotten it :) I was re-reading through the 90 liter processor at JtF as I recalled something about a shower head being used. Well, it turned out to be a watering can head, but same idea. I have set up a system where the water is pumped up from the exit pipe in the Standpipe design http://www.veggieavenger.com/avengerboard/viewtopic.php?t=333) to the top of the wash tank and there it is distributed via a T section to fall like rain over the BD. It works, but still not to my satisfaction. Enter the watering can idea. Instead of the T section with perferated hose actiing as a distributor tomorow I am on the hunt for a pair of large, flat shower heads that can be used instead. That should do it once and for all. The water gets pumped up and then falls like rain all over the surface of the BD washing it as it sinks to the bottom and gets pumped back up again and again and again. And that should about do it for the Ultimate Pump Wash :) Other methods might work better but with the very limited head space I have to work with this it is for me. I will post an update (even if it doesn't work... but it will, ha!) I figure that with TWO shower heads the entire area should be suficiently covered so as to do a good job, and that is the only thing I will be satisfied with, a GOOD job. Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable):
[Biofuel] Ultimate Pump Wash
OK, I finally have something that seems to be doing the job right. It's not a watering can head (even the fancy Chinese kind), it's not a couple of versized shower heads either (although that would also work). I went to the hardware store determined to solve this tghing and found a thing called a ring sprinkler http://www.cornerhardware.com/item_263438/Lawn-Garden/Hoses-Sprinklers/Stationary-Sprinklers/SunMate-Ring-Sprinkler.html used for watering lawns or just for children to play in. I had to drill out the outside holes a bit so that it would point inward a bit more, but it works ! It covers the entire area with a rain and the water sinks quickly enough so that the BD doesn't mix which is somewhat of a bummer. I suppose going the route of a more powerful pump would suck it out at a rate that would also blend the BD with the water, and opening the exit from a 3/4-1/2 (which is what I have now) to a 3/4-1inch would also encourage the blending better. Too much of a royal pain to dismantle the whole thing right now to fiddle with it although winter may prove to be interesting. On a side note, I did contact the Wintron XC30 people and got a nice reply. I will be giving them a go for my B100 trying to stretch it out as long as possible. They already said they can't deal with -25C yet but are working on it :) Now that the pump wash thing is fixed (for the moment) time to make more BD. Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Re[5]: [Biofuel] Re: [Off Topic]US to sell 5000 smart bombs toIsrael
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2004 4:41 PM Subject: Re[5]: [Biofuel] Re: [Off Topic]US to sell 5000 smart bombs toIsrael snip It's not manipulation by Israel but by a synbiotic relationship between the Israeli right wing and national security establishment (not that they are identical) and American neocons. There is no doubt who is telling whom what to do, and who is behind the manufactured war on terror. The following is a list of AIPAC's contributions to US congressmen. AIPAC is the jewish lobby that is now in the headlights of a massive spying operation by the FBI and being ordered shut down by Ashcroft. AIPAC's Salary Roll part 1 http://www.wrmea.com/html/aipac.htm AIPAC's Salary Roll 2003 http://www.wrmea.com/archives/june2003/0306036.html AIPAC's Salary Roll 2004 http://www.wrmea.com/archives/May_2004/0405026b.html AIPAC Summary http://www.wrmea.com/archives/July_Aug_2004/0407027.html And the there is this blatant and arrogant statement by Ariel Sharon in a public radio program. I want to tell you something very clear, don't worry about American pressure on Israel, we, the Jewish people control America, and the Americans know it.-- Ariel Sharon to Shimon Peres, October 3rd, 2001, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio. http://www.mediamonitors.net/khodr49.html http://english.pravda.ru/main/2001/10/04/17102_.html http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/01/10/Sharon3.html For example, the Jewish-American neocons have been cooperating with Israeli neocons like Benjamin Netanyahu to destroy the Israeli welfare state by imposing conditions on the American subsidies to Israel which used to be politically neutral. It is Paul Wolfowitz who, a long while before becoming a member of the inner sanctum of the US government, wrote a document for Benjamin Netanyahu entitled A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm http://www.irmep.org/Policy_Briefs/3_27_2003_Clean_Break_or_Dirty_War.html This outlined exactly what is being done right now, so again we see that it is in fact the Zionists that have been running the show in the background all along, with the Congress on their payroll at that. What a scream ! The US sends over 4 BILLOION dollars a year to prop up the Zionist regime, not counting the weapons ect... and then Israel turns around and buys off the US Congress with the Us citizens' tax money and if anyone shoul DARE to say anything he/she is immediately strapped with the old epitheth anti-semite in an attemp to stop any expose of the real story behind these damnable wars and suffering. The Israeli right wing wanted the U.S. to destroy the regimes in Iraq, Iran, and Syria. The U.S. neocons also want this as a step to taking control of the oil resources of these countries, to acquire pipeline routes (Syria), and to have forces in place to seize the important parts of Saudi Arabia when it blows up politically, which is expected to be soon. Think about what the U.S. national security establishment , and the American neocons, get from Israel, and why they want it. The flow of influence and to a certain extent control, is two-way - as one would expect. Except that of late we have learned via the AIPAC spying scandal that disinformation was being fed back to the White HOuse via the Office of Special Plans, and away-from-the-CIA operation with a similar backdoor in Sharon's office. Make no mistake, the US dances to Zionist tunes, not the other way around. When the U.S. solves its own internal political problems, its problemsm with Israel will become relatively trivial And as long as Mossad has a green light from the US admin to use deadly force in extrajudicial assassinations on US soil it's internal political situation isn't about to get any better. Mossad's official moto is By Way of Deception Thou Shalt do War, or put simply, do the deed but be sure someone else gets fingered for it, which has been their M.O. since inception. There is only one master holding the carrot and one dumb ass trying to catch it. Luc Doug Woodard St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada On Sun, 3 Oct 2004, Gustl Steiner-Zehender wrote: Hallo Hakan, Wednesday, 29 September, 2004, 14:53:43, you wrote: HF Gustl, HF I was not clear, but I meant example of preemptive actions, not that US HF have any influence of what Israel does. It is clear and easy to see that it HF is Israel that manipulates US, not the other way around. HF Hakan Sorry to take so long to reply. I have been by my daughters and haven't been able to check my mail for several days. I understand what you mean now and you are absolutely correct. So many people, particularly in the US, do not understand how we are mainpulated by Israel. So much is hidden from sight and for some reason whenever it comes to Israel far too many Americans are blind to their evil deeds. They seem to ignore anything Israel does and blame
Re: [Biofuel] Deuterium: The Alternative Power Source
out of the loop ? Call the Russian embassy and ask to speak to the attache :) You'll know in a swift hurrry if they think your invention is worthy or not, but then you will most probably be in a pile of fertilizer too :) Although, maybe not, as it could not be considered national secrets as they have not reached that conclusion and therefore you would not technically be selling secrets, but MI5 might not look at it that way.Then there is always the French that might want to have a look see also. Luc PS: The above should be viewed as humour and not counsel to do anything illegal. - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2004 11:50 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Deuterium: The Alternative Power Source martin williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! I enjoy reading your e-mails. Are you a publisher? I have something interesting to tell you that will probably be a bit of a surprise. I n 2001, I developed a theoretical model for a neutrino beam source that would stop the nuclear bomb from reaching critical mass. Therefore no explosion! I sent these details to the British government but I received no real financial compensation for this project. I have heard that some tests are being conducted in secret underground bases but this might be a rumour. What should I do with this project to seek financial rewards? Any idea? Thanks Martin Previously: From: martin williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Business Plan Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 14:34:28 +0100 Hi! My name is Juan Carlos from Tenerife and I recently tried to obtain a grant to produce the ethanol in Tenerife and the entire Canary Islands: The answer - no surprise to me (with a degree in chemistry!) At this present time we are not interested. I provided a full business plan but no-one gave my project consideration. Is there a special route I can pursue to encourage bio-fuel in Tenerife. I will look into EEC funding but I do not think I will get much help here either. Any advise? Thank you Pardon me for asking, but are you Martin Williams or Juan Carlos? Best wishes Keith snip ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Ultimate Pump Wash-Eureka!
Hi all; OK, I believe that, for those with limited headspace, I have the eureka of wash systems. The ring sprinkler crapped on me as I had screwed in the nosel too tight and it split leaving it floating on the BD when I went to do the follow up wash, s off to get another, but this being October and garden stuff isn't in big demand I had a problem so I snooped around and found a neat device. Not exactly a new product, although for this application it is. I am now using an oscilating lawn sprinkler, but a short version which can have the width of the ascilating spray adjusted. http://www.melnor.com/products/oscillating_sprinklers.asp product 4050 is the one I now set up. I tried it out and it works FANTASTIC ! Covers the entire area via oscilation and after only a few minutes the BD andd water are mixed and coming through like the colour of chicken soup, just like when I do a paint stirrer wash in a pail. So I wait until it does that and then let it set for about 15 minutes or so and then fire it up again and wait until it gets all murky again. Double wash and then settle. I plan to repeat this three times (min) and see what kind of results I get but so far it looks VERY promising. The jet coming down (as I have hanging upside down) is quite strong using only a small Pony Pump from Flotec. I gues thati shwy they call it turbo , HA! Anyway, the wash saga is now terminated (I hope) for my particular set-up. The system is now 100% complete and processes 80 liter batches, drains the glycerine and sends the lot to the wash tank where this wash system take over and does the job. Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Ultimate Pump Wash-Eureka!
G'day keith et all; No offence taken on the glorified mist washer thingy. After all, that is in effect what it was :) This thingy, however, has much more potential than the ring thing. Of course it is Euro Design, HA! The Euro's (that would be Old Europe to those who are wondering), I am willing to gander a guess, probably make it better. This one seems to be plastic but theirs is more likely PVC or metal, but it works so far, but still in it's Beta stage. Tomorow will be the defining moment for this idea, although I am holding out high hopes as all the necessary criteria are being met. I agree, mist washing is useless, and can only serve to cover up a poor reaction. better just to make good fyuel and then either stir wash or pump wash using whatever system will get the oil and water together for an intimate party :) Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: Jewish settlers atttack US christians
- Original Message - From: Party of Citizens [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 12:30 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re: Jewish settlers atttack US christians The entire Jewish invasion of the Dead Sea Region is an attack on Christianity. Whoa there Z. Christians do not lay claim to ANY land mass, let alone the Dead Sea or anyting else for that matter. It is this it belongs to me crap that gets so many into such a mess, and as far as what Jesus said, it is simple; My kingdom is not of this world (not a physical land mass), if My kingdom WERE of this world then would My servants fight... (John 18:36) Jesus Christ said He came only to find the (spiritual) lost sheep of Israel. That being true, then who has right of return to New Israel? The followers of Jesus Christ. Since the Jews are against the teachings of Christ as they tell all who listen, then what could this be but an invasion of antichrists (I John 2:22)? That those who call themselves jews, but are best recognised as Zionists, are, in fact, anti-Christ, being against anything and everything that Jesus taught. Thier so-called holy book, the Talmud, is quite explicit about Christ and Christians as being extremely base, lower than cattle ect. However, that said, and even if Talmudism is followed by the vast majority of those calling themsleves jews it is NOT a universally accepted doctrine, even amongst those claimng to be jewish. Learn about the Talmud and it's teachings about Christ and Christianity here: http://www.come-and-hear.com/dilling/dcontents.html Thosde identifying as jews who do not accept the Talmud nor any of it's dogmas here: http://www.karaite-korner.org/ When it refers to The Rabinical Oral Law it is speaking of The Talmud. The Zionist sponsored slaughter of the poor in the middle east falls equally on Muslims as well as Christians indescriminately, both being equally non-human in the eyes of the Talmudists. Therefore, that the Zionists have occupied the Deaad Sea area is not so much an invasion against Christianity so much as it is the result of the coersion of Britain giving birth to The Balfour Daclartion opening the gates for a Zionist haven in the middle east. The Zionists, formerly know in their homeland as Khazars, were without a country and now want to reform their empire of yore and have stolen a racial and cultural heritage as a means to that end. True jews do not accept the political State of Israel, as is borne out so plainly in their own declarations found here: ...it is our obligation to make it known in order that everyone should understand that the Zionists are not the nation of Israel...and it most definitely our holy obligation to announce before those nations of the world that the Zionists are not the spokespeople of the nation of Israel... - Grand Rabbi Joel Teitelbaum http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/ So, before we go off on a false perception of persecution based merely on a body of land in a specific part of the world we should understand what is and more importantly, what is NOT at play here. The enemy of Christ and Christians is not each and every single person who calls themselves jews. It is, however, anyone who adheres to, and follows, the teachings of the Talmud, a book sworn to the elimination by death of, and ultimate decimation of any semblance of Christ or His teachings and followers. Luc Z http://www.geocities.com/ISRAEL_V_EDOM - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 6:33 AM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Re: Jewish settlers atttack US christians Or any of the Israeli and Palestinian sources. -:) The war is not only physical fighting and I would say that both Israel, Palestine and US outperform Al Jazeera in professional misinformation, so they start to look as a credible source in the comparisons. LOL Anyone interested in the events must however take the information with many grains of salt and try to see through it. Hakan At 02:56 PM 10/5/2004, you wrote: I can't believe that someone would actually use Aljazeera as a news source. LOL. I know it's difficult to find news sources having any degree of intergrity in reporting, but really.Aljazeera? You might as well take the White House spokesman's word as the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. Tim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of fox mulder Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 3:55 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Re: Jewish settlers atttack US christians Jewish settlers attack US Christians By Khalid Amayreh in the West Bank Thursday 30 September 2004, 2:24 Makka Time, 23:24 GMT Palestinian children fear attacks from settlers Jewish settler immigrants from North America have attacked and severely beat American Christian peace
Re: [Biofuel] Solar.....
- Original Message - From: Jonathan Dunlap [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 8:37 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Solar. Good day all, Anyone have info on Solar panels? I need 1000 to 5000 units at 120 or 80 Watts. Need this at wholesale. Best price so far is $2.70 per Watt. Maybe these could be of help: http://www.solarmarket.com/ http://www.cansia.ca/pressreleases.htm Luc Any help would be great, Jonathan J.J.A.M., Inc. Jonathan Lynden Dunlap IS Network Systems Analyst Your PC Linux Specialist P.O. Box 4209 Inglewood, California 90309-4209 323-779-2752/Home - Do you Yahoo!? vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset
between overhauls they are also under extreme load most of that time, whereas the gen is not pulling near as hard which therefore lends itself to less wear and tear and therefore less need for more frequent rebuilds. One can even go so far as to say that it will do much better than that as the specs are based upon regular fuels and oils and by using BD instead of dino there is less wear still so it is a good bet that it will go better than the industry specs of 40K. Just my nickel's worth Luc - Original Message - From: Steve Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 9:40 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset My Detroit Diesel is rated for 40k hours between rebuilds. Steve Spence http://www.green-trust.org - Original Message - From: Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 9:26 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset That fellow Skip who wrote More Power to You said he knew China diesel owners that had in excess of 10,000 hours without a rebuild. We know trucks go 100 miles and at an avg of 50mph that is 20.000 hours Kirk Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert, What is the flaw I am missing? You don't use all 2,000 kWh in 2-3 hour blocks. To make your idea work without a storage system you would have to conduct all your energy consuming activities within that narrow time window. You'd probably be best served by installing a battery bank and converter and cycle your gennie as required. You've also got to depreciate your gennie. Check the manufacturer's estimated life cycle. Usually they're only 2-3 thousand hours before a rebuild is necessary, meaning that you'll be buying a new gennie or paying the rebuild costs every second or third year. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Robert Del Bueno To: Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 10:11 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset So looking at my power bill for my recording studio business, we use on average about 2000kWH per month. If I were to run a 30kW diesel genset on SVO for 2.5 hours a day, 30 days a month... 75Hx30kW=2250kWH ... I know that net-metering in Georgia does not pay retail rates for intertie power, but hell, even if I had to run for 3-4 hours a day, seems like I could do well. Of course using a water cooled genset, I would also use the hot water for heating applications. I have a steady supply of good SVO. And 30kw diesel genset available very affordable. I know the intertie/net metering equipment costs a fair amount, but will be applicable for future solar pv use as well. What is the flaw I am missing? -Rob ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] reverse pump washing???
oil will always float on water. The residual water would be no begger a problem than when one washes with a paint stirrer, which I have done more than afew times, and that did not cause any major drawbacks as, again, oil floats on water and if the reaction is complete should not cause any probs. Please do let us know how you make out with this. Luc - Original Message - From: J.L.Burney [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 4:11 AM Subject: [Biofuel] reverse pump washing??? Im going to try something this weekend. instead of pumping water through the fuel during the wash Im going to pump the fuel down to the bottom of the wash vessel. I just thought instead of putting tiny amounts of water through the fuel maybe I could pump tiny amount of fuel through the water and let it float up through the water. Im hoping that it will take more of the residue out of the fuel faster. the only problem I can see happening is I will probably have more water to settle out after the wash is finished I will write back again after my trials are finished. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] RE: Fire ants wasZXZX
USA. If I am not mistaken they are from the hearts of the corn as opposed to wheat hearts called cream of wheat in many places. The instant variety is for people who do not want to actually cook them :) something like oatmeal (porridge). They are traditionally served with butter and pepper (wouldn't want it to be without fat and toxins now would you?) However, we make them the old fashioned way, we cook them for about 15 minutes or so and once done serve with honey (the raw unfiltered kind) and some apple sauce in the middle and for a more adventuresome go of it a little yogurt swirled is also nice. And that is grits ! Ha! Luc - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 3:37 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] RE: Fire ants wasZXZX Old post... Date:Mon, 17 Aug 1998 03:59:55 +0800 From:Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re fire ants Hi there Vera wrote: We have had great success using instant grits on fire ant mounds. We just sprinkle some grits on the mound (never measured how much). Apparently when the ants drink, the grits swell up and ants die. Works for us. Vera Becoming more self-sufficient and God-dependent. Fire ants I know about, or at least the local variety - small, vicious, completely unreasonable, and lots of back-up! They don't make mounds here but that doesn't stop them making life impossible. I know you can kill them with fermented citrus peels, though they always come back of course. But what exactly are instant grits? Keith Addison Lantau Island Hong Kong -- Date:Sun, 16 Aug 1998 16:01:58 -0500 From:Barbara J. Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re fire ants Keith: I don't know if your Hong Kong fire ants are the same species as ours, which were unintentionally imported from South America. They sound the same: small, make small or large mounds, vicious, and completely unreasonable. It sounds like your killing method of fermented citrus peels is ahead of our general knowledge. Our organic gardening guru on the radio has advocated using orange oil (from processed orange peels). My problem is that after buying an expensive gallon of the stuff, I don't know how much to add to a gallon of drench. I want to kill but don't want to waste an expensive ingredient. According to the guru's advice, it is to be added to manure compost tea mixed with molasses for a long-lasting effect. Barbara USDA zone 7/8 southwest of Fort Worth, Texas -- Date:Sun, 16 Aug 1998 16:32:13 -0500 From:Barbara J. Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re fire ants (grits) P.S. Keith: I just realized I didn't answer your question regarding grits. I'm relatively new to the south but grits are a true southern dish. They are hulled and coarsely ground kernels of corn (maize) which are cooked to form a porridge. Barbara southwest of Fort Worth -- Never did try peeing on them, but I found this stuff worked well against fire ants: Organic Ant Killer (Greenco) Ready-to-use insecticidal soap spray which kills by contact and is safe even in the kitchen. AI: Fatty acids GRAK 500ml £4.25 Other people talk of mild soap. Has anyone tried the glycerine by-product from biodiesel, with or without the methanol? Or, perhaps better, the FFA soapstock you get when you separate the by-product components? The ants here are neither vicious nor unreasonable, they don't kill people, I'm not after murdering them to find out if the by-product will do the job, but I'd like to know. This is worth a look: http://www.biconet.com/ BIOCONTROL NETWORK http://www.biconet.com/solutionsdg.html#Fireant Fire ants Regards Keith Very funny Buck. My neighbors need binoculars or a telescope to see what I am doing that closely and would have to telephone. In the city, I assume that a specimen jar for collections would be used. But yes, we do have to fight a war with the fire ants, they will kill a human if you give them the chance. Bright Blessings, Kim At 12:07 PM 10/8/2004, you wrote: , 3 to 4 applications of urine from a male that eats meat will kill the hill completely. The early morning variety of urine is the most effective. Bright Blessings, Kim hi kimm, i imagine that paraticlular firee ant warfare is a praetty good stress relivever alsoandd if ithe neighb ors say anything,, just say,,, hey, itsss fire ants,,, theyll understand,,,they may not understand that your killim themm but they will approve,,buck ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list
[Biofuel] Cold Weather Processing
G'day; Well, I have come across another part of the learning curve. My processor/wash tank combo resides in a non-winterized pump house and the last two times I have processed a batch of BD (80liters each) I had a problem with saponification/emulsion and I believe I have it figured out. As a side note, this probably would not have happend with KOH, but I am using NaOH at the moment. The temps here have gone down at night quite a bit of late and this is the time that the settling is being done. The last two times I had to heat the plumbing at the exit point of the reator in order to get the glycerine to flow, at the same time turning on the reactor's heat for about 30-45 minutes, as the glycerine had hardened in the plumbing as well as inside the reactor. Once the glycerine begins flowing it does so very well, HOWEVER it does not all come out as there is still some that gets melted while the hot BD is being transfered to the wash tank as witnessed by a sharp darkening of the colour in the sight tube as it comes out. I immediately stop the pump and drain the remainder out the glycerine drain at the bottom, but not before some of it has blended with the BD being transfered and this results in a layer of creamed chicken soup that won't break. The fuel is good, as the shake test proves, athough there is glycerine being mixed with the BD, not good. Solution? Re-heat the lot and pump mix again when hot and let setlle a few hours and drain, let settle some more and drain again until the volume approaches what would normally come out the glycerine drain when the weather is warm. Alternative solution? Send the lot, immediately after initial processing, into a seperate settling tank that has been set up using the standpipe design (metal tank with bungs downward), let settle and then drain out the BD FIRST via the standpipe and pumped to the wash tank, and then flip on the welded immersion heater that has been inserted near the floor of the secondary settling tank thereby heating the glycerine layer and making it flow easier. A visual over the edge will tell if the whole glycerine layer got drained or not and this way NO glycerine is getting in the BD. Better system yet? Use potassium hydroxide and don't worry about theabove time-consuming PITA (Pain In The Anatomy). As still somewhat of a beginner at this BD making stuff I have a whack of NaOH that I got from a chem supply house that now has to be used, although once I have thorougly pefected using my system and understanding it's ups and downs to where I ma comfortable with it's nuances I will be looking into KOH as a catalyst. That will be for the next season, as this one winds down due to cold and I don't have the with all to properly insulate the pump house, although I will be using the off-season to do that as well as set up the secondary settling tank in preparation for a full and rewarding production season next year. The off-season time will also be used to stock up on things like, methanol and WVO (it's pretty good stuff I get from the Chinese Restaurant and I want to get ahead of it for next year), and insulating the pump house which will allow me to get going earlier than if I only wait for it to be warm enough in the Spring. Ordering some WintronXC30 is also on the list for early Spring use and also for next winters' BD experience. It is too bad too as the Benz REALLY likes running on B100, and it iwll do so once weather and the ability to process permits. Who knows, maybe it will be sooner rather than later, but one thing certain, I will be working at it. Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Cold Weather Processing
The addition of glycerine to the BD being washed has caused some problems. Excatly how mush gly is getting it there is hard to tell, but it is making things difficult. The wash by oscillating sprinkler system works very well, but it is a little violent and that doesn't seem to sit well with the glyc and it turns out a layer of very thick soup that won't break, so I have to empty the wash tank, BD first via the standpipe, and then clean out the wash tank completely before re-introducing the BD. Once that is done there are no more probs, except that a portion of the yield has been diminished. Of course, when dealing with colder temps and unheated surroundings, like where I have my set up, it might be a good idea to simply re-heat the lot using the reactor's heater and then firing up the pump, mixing everything back together to be sure no hardened glycerine has stayed on the bottom and then letting it settle back out for a few hours and drain it once and then again a bit later, although that might just start the porblem all over again. The best solution is a seperate settling tank or using KOH instead of the NaOH, or better still, house the reactor is a heated space when available. During the winter months I am planning on insulating the building my reactor is in as well as getting that secondary settling tank set up properly. I learned from the creation of the pre-heat tank about things to avoid, like 1/2 inch plumbing, and placing the heater too high in the tank, so that this time those errors won't be repeated. The heater element goes about 2 inches (5cm) off the bottom of the tank, that way it won't be exposed should a small amount of product be needed to be warmed up. 3/4 inch plumbing everywhere except the methoxide delivery system where 1/2 inch is plenty. For having my reactor finished only in the second week of August and already having produced hundreds of liters I believe to be a fairly good start. The Benz has gone on vacations with B100 in the tank on the way up and a good portion of the way back. It is still now running on B100, and today all those warnings about the filters clogging from all the dirty fuel deposits came true. Just before leaving on holidays I had the car's valves adjusted, all filters, oil and fuel changed for brand new MB parts and only today does it crap out on me,ha! Tomorow is replace the fuel filters day. It is funny because the fuel filter hasn't so much as a tiny scratch on it and it is useless. BD cleans ! It is with great remorse that I will have to shut down production for the winter, but then it will give me time to get it together for next year. I am finding that my one good WVO supplier isn't able to keep up with me so that will be on the list of things to do too. The organic farmer today asked if he should buy a biodiesel truck, so we all know where THAT is going huh ? I make the fuel, he uses it to help run his organic farm that produces food the way it is supposed to be done. Win, win. Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Monsanto's royalty grab in Argentina
- Original Message - From: Ware, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 10:26 PM Subject: FW: [Biofuel] Monsanto's royalty grab in Argentina snip The formula seems to be this: focus on the major cash crops (cotton, soybeans, maize, etc), find an entry point, contaminate the seed supply snip It seems to me that this contamination of the seed supply is trespassing. I say, a farmer who has been saving seeds for years, when his seeds test positive for some GM marker ought to get some compensation from Mansanto not be forced to pay royalities. (This is just an opinion, of course.) Actually it has been the other way around. Monsanto plants their GM crops in a field next to someone else's and when the GM stuff contaminates Monsanto has been suing the other guy for theft. As far as I know they have yet to be successful at it but they have done it. Monsanto also has gone into Mexico against the wishes of that government and started planting GM crops. The Mexicans are concerned as organic corns are a staple and quite the income generator, but with Monsanto's pay-as-you-go policies it won't be long before all natural crops will be sterile and the only option will be to pay Monsanto for seed. Luc Has anyone tried to put a dent in Monsanto's plan by bringing charges of trespassing? It certainly seems to be a crime to me. A crime against humanity. John Ware ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Cold Weather Processing
incomplete rection, the problem is that not all the glycerine is draining once the settling time is done and that glycerine is getting mixed with the BD when it is being transfered to the wash tank and that is what is causing trouble. During the warmer months of summer this problem did not exist as the reactor was able to hold it's heat but with the overnight dropping temps it has bot done so well. The solutions are fairly simple; insulate the structure and put a small heater on a timer and/or use KOH instead of the NaOH. I have absolutely zero science knowledge (except what I have learned doing this)so I will not be experimenting with new and potentially dangerous catalyst bases, that is best left to the pros :) When the time comes and I feel comfortable enough, once having moved up to KOH as a catalyst and things are going reasonably well then I would like to go the two stage method route but not before. Call me chicken s#^t, but I prefer to err on the side of caution and go at it methodically. Luc - Original Message - From: Jeff Welter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 4:46 AM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Cold Weather Processing I'm wondering if since water present in small amounts can impede the biodiesel reaction, if adding the water before removing as much glycerine as possible be a cause for some of the problems with separation and emulsions since there could be some extraneous reactions or possible reverse reactions going on in the mix? Also, in my experience, if you can get ahold of sodium methoxide or ethoxide (or if you can make it yourself using sodium metal reacted with ethanol or methanol) gives a much better separation of the biodiesel from the glycerine and the glycerine is much thicker. I would suggest that if you have trouble with separation, perhaps replacing as little as 25% of the NaOH or KOH used with the ethoxide salt (on a molar basis) and seeing how that works for you - adding more or less by trial and error until you get a satisfactory result. Also, using sodium ethoxide as a catalyst makes the use of ethanol instead of methanol as the alcohol more feasible - (of course, that is if you can find the salt or are willing to play with sodium metal - I'd say potassium metal is way too dangerous outside of a lab environment) most university research data shows that to use ethanol as the alcohol of choice you need an excess of almost 200% ethanol meaning 3x the amount to finish the reaction, and then the excess ethanol causes the glycerine to not separate out and you get nothing but a mess... Jeff Original Message Follows From: Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Cold Weather Processing Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 20:15:53 -0400 The addition of glycerine to the BD being washed has caused some problems. Excatly how mush gly is getting it there is hard to tell, but it is making things difficult. The wash by oscillating sprinkler system works very well, but it is a little violent and that doesn't seem to sit well with the glyc and it turns out a layer of very thick soup that won't break, so I have to empty the wash tank, BD first via the standpipe, and then clean out the wash tank completely before re-introducing the BD. Once that is done there are no more probs, except that a portion of the yield has been diminished. Of course, when dealing with colder temps and unheated surroundings, like where I have my set up, it might be a good idea to simply re-heat the lot using the reactor's heater and then firing up the pump, mixing everything back together to be sure no hardened glycerine has stayed on the bottom and then letting it settle back out for a few hours and drain it once and then again a bit later, although that might just start the porblem all over again. The best solution is a seperate settling tank or using KOH instead of the NaOH, or better still, house the reactor is a heated space when available. During the winter months I am planning on insulating the building my reactor is in as well as getting that secondary settling tank set up properly. I learned from the creation of the pre-heat tank about things to avoid, like 1/2 inch plumbing, and placing the heater too high in the tank, so that this time those errors won't be repeated. The heater element goes about 2 inches (5cm) off the bottom of the tank, that way it won't be exposed should a small amount of product be needed to be warmed up. 3/4 inch plumbing everywhere except the methoxide delivery system where 1/2 inch is plenty. For having my reactor finished only in the second week of August and already having produced hundreds of liters I believe to be a fairly good start. The Benz has gone on vacations with B100 in the tank on the way up and a good portion of the way back. It is still now running on B100, and today all those warnings about
[Biofuel] Re: Running B100 in the Benz
could be of benefit to the whole group. Luc - Original Message - From: Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 3:19 PM Subject: Running B100 in the Benz Actually these are also questions that can be asked on list so others can benefit from the answers. No question is too simple or novice. Nevertheless, that said; yes, the results are quite satisfying and when we were returning from holidays where we ran B100 all the way up and then slowly introduced dino diesel for two weeks of running around and part of the trip back, and then when the tank got to below 1/4 we put in the 44 liters we had brought along of B100 which made the new mix about B80 (80 parts BD to 20 parts dino) and the effect was IMMEDIATE! The engine just smoothed right out from that typical diesel chunking sound. I have noticed no drop in performance whatsoever, and the mileage is the same. Ran about the same temp and smoked a bit, but no more than with dino. Difference is it actually smelled nice, kinda egg rolly :), only egg rolls that stayed a little too long in the oil, Ha! It is one of the great advantages of running BD in diesels, the ability to mix and blend to whatever percentage or run 100% and back again without the need to modify anything. The cleansing properties are not myth. I just today changed a spin on fuel filter that had become clogged with gunk from the BD's cleansing effect. I had the car 's valves adjusted and ALL filters changed the day before leaving for holidays and that was the day after labour day, Sept 06/04 and it was already time for a filter change again. Not even two 1/2 months on a brand new Mercedes genuine part filter. Now that's a cleaning ! Word to the wise though, have a couple spare filters already in the car because when it craps on you it will be sudden :) Do I qualify usind B100 a success ? A resouonding YES to that. And as soon as I can I will be running it on B100 again and for as long as possible. Darn cold is a pain and i am not yet fully set up to deal with it so that is it for this year, unfortunately. Next year, Lord willing, I am going to bve in an insulated building with a timer activated heater and also have some WintronXC30 brought over fom England for the next winter. Wintron XC30 is specifically designed for use with BD and keeps the pour point to below -15C as is and they are working on another formula that will bring the pour point down even further making it possible to run B100 year round in Northern winters.There's a link to WintronXC30 on the JtF site under the Biodiesel in Winter heading. Hope this answers your questions satisfactorily and that you will be confident in using BD in your vehicle(s). Just be sure to make it right and of the highest qualilty and you will not have any worries with it. Luc - Original Message - From: To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 12:44 PM Subject: hello I'm curious about your car running on B100. Just want to know, except of the cleaning action of BD, what can u telle about your car? Did it run well? Was the engine cooler or hotter? Any power loss? Any fumes? Was the use of BD a sucess? _ Des mcanismes de contrle parental puissants permettent votre enfant de dcouvrir tout ce qu'Internet a offrir. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=fr-capage=features/parentalST=1xAPID=1983DI=2043 Commencez ds maintenant profiter de tous les avantages de MSN Premium et obtenez les deux premiers mois GRATUITS*. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Cost of biofuel
methanol/ethanol.the catalyst, the feed stock (SVO/WVO) and each one of these variables has inherent potential costs attached, so an actualy working chart would be very difficult to put together, however if one were to limit one's self to only commercially produced biodiesel frrom SVO under coporate production, then it might be possible to find some sort of costs analysis via the various government sponsored alternative fuel boards. How useful ior accurate thes figures would be is another matter entirely, and even if accurate would not reflect the much more economical backyard homebrewer's costs as this later's labour is rarely figured into it. My 2 cents. Luc - Original Message - From: csc-propulsion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 4:26 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Cost of biofuel Hi there, The cost of biofuel ( be it from coconut oil, palm oil, rapeseed, soybean, corn, sunflower, canola etc) including ethanol? Are there cost charts from various countries to peruse? At current oil price level can crop growers match with biofuel? Brazil went through that scenario with ethanol. Cheers, CS Chua ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] US evangelical christian suport for Israel
wrong, again. Christians,as a matter of doctrine do not hold to ANY land mass, as the kingdom of God is spiritual and not a physical body of earth otherwise Jesus would not have claimed before Pilate that His kingdom was not of this world, otherwise if it were His servants would fight, so servants of Christ are not to fight for physical land masses,period. Secondly, this so-called christan, Pat Robertson, obviously hasn't been checking out the Un's backing of the stablishment of the political state of Israel after England was coerced into it by the Zionists in the Nalfour Declaration for in the Un's establishment of the state of Israel it is specifically mentioned that Jerusalem is NOT TO BE ANNEXED but is to remain an open city belonging as much to the Palestianian population as tgo it's jewish settlers. The fatc that the Zionis regime has been slowly encroaching upon the annexation of Jerusalem does not legitimize it as a possession, however it does demonstarte that if one listens to the propaganda machine long and often enough one gets to thinking that Jerusalem is actually the capitol of the political state of Isreal when Tel Aviv is the internationally recognized capitol and for the same reason, the UN's specific instructions about it. Not only have the Zionists slaughtered thousands of innocents but they have at the same time been slowly stealing their land as well...all with the blessing of the so-called christians in the American right and most of it's Tamudized preachers. This is the purpose of the so-called inter-faith councils, to be sure that no one objects to what Israel is up to. There are never any serious concessions going the other way, it is always Israel's Zionists that benefit; just like the so-called terrorist bombings from those so-called nasty Palestinians that happen just when Israel needs it most politically. But that is another subject. Luc - Original Message - From: fox mulder [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 4:10 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] US evangelical christian suport for Israel Evangelist warns Bush over Jerusalem American television evangelist Pat Robertson has warned President George Bush that he will risk losing Christian support if he stops backing Israeli sovereignty over Jerusalem. On a visit to Jerusalem, Robertson spoke repeatedly in favour of Israel and lambasted Arab countries, warning that the establishment of a Palestinian state would threaten Israel's survival and interfere with God's plan. Israel captured east Jerusalem in the 1967 Middle East war and later annexed the section of the city as part of its capital. Palestinians want east Jerusalem for the capital of a future state. The city is revered by Muslims, Jews and Christians. Most nations, including the United States, never recognised Israel's annexation of east Jerusalem and keep their embassies in Tel Aviv. Overwhelming support According to Robertson, evangelical Christians - estimated at tens of millions of Americans - overwhelmingly support Bush for his pro-Israel policies, But if he touches Jerusalem and he really gets serious about taking east Jerusalem and making it the capital of a Palestinian state, he'll lose virtually all evangelical support, Robertson said on Monday. I think this is the key issue. Bush had promised in his election campaign in 2000 to move the US embassy to Jerusalem as a sign of US backing for Israel's hold on the city. But he later thwarted congressional action to move the embassy, reflecting official US policy that the fate of the city should be negotiated by Israel and the Palestinians. God's plan Robertson said Israel should not have to give up land for a Palestinian state but Jordan, Saudi Arabia and Egypt should take in the 3.5 million Palestinians living in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. Robertson accused Islam of wanting to destroy Israel. I see the rise of Islam to destroy Israel and take the land from the Jews and give East Jerusalem to the Palestinian Authority. I see that a Satan's plan to prevent the return of Jesus Christ, the Lord, said the broadcaster. The founder of the Christian Broadcasting Network said he favoured Israel over the Palestinians, saying: It isn't a question of politics, it's just a question of God's plan. He added that Jews and Christians have a common heritage and a different God from the Muslims. The Virginia-based television evangelist is visiting Israel as a guest of the International Christian Embassy Jerusalem. More than 4000 evangelical Christian pilgrims are touring Israel during Sukkot, the Feast of the Tabernacles, a Jewish holiday some Christians also celebrate. Dispensationalism Some evangelical Christians in the US follow the doctrine of dispensationalism, which, among other things, stipulates that the creation of Israel in Palestine in 1948 was a fulfilment of Biblical prophecy and presages the second coming of Jesus Christ.
Re: [Biofuel] Solar Hydrogen
outside source, it has the range of a conventional vehicle, though that defeats the purpose of showing that hydrogen can be created from clean, sustainable sources, then used to fuel vehicles. Yes, but if one were to set up a hydrogen system at one's home using the same solar panels(or more) and hydrogen unit and then stock the hydrogen tanks of the truck, still equiped with it's own system, wouldn't that make it run just like any other ? Luc - Original Message - From: MH [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 11:24 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Solar Hydrogen US FreedomTruck -- Powered by sunlight Student project leaps into future Bob Golfen The Arizona Republic Oct. 1, 2004 12:00 AM The ungainly looking Chevy pickup parked in the courtyard at Central High School, with a huge set of solar panels mounted on top, may not look so futuristic. But it certainly points the way. Hand-built on a shoestring budget by a Central physics teacher and a team of students, the truck is one of a kind, a demonstration of how future transportation can be self-sustaining and pollution-free. The truck is hydrogen-powered and creates its own fuel from solar energy and water, a technical feat that rivals the advanced technology being researched by major auto companies and universities. The four-cylinder engine is tuned to run on hydrogen, which is produced by a hand-built electrolysis system mounted in the bed. Teacher Cory Waxman and his students took four years to build the experiment, believed to be the only self-sustaining hydrogen vehicle that uses a conventional internal-combustion engine. Nobody has ever made a car that runs on sunlight and water, Waxman said. There are other cars that run on hydrogen, but they don't make their own fuel. Built for less than $10,000, the project has caught the attention of experts in alternative-fuel research. Over the past three years of research in hydrogen, I've been more impressed with what they did than anything else I've seen around the world, said Scottsdale inventor Bryan Beaulieu, who is building a hydrogen-powered house in north Scottsdale. With practically no resources, they are doing something everybody says it's going to take 20 years to do. Although the truck performs as planned, it's more of a demonstration project than a practical vehicle. The four solar panels and hydrogen-generating system create only enough fuel per day to travel a few miles. But that was expected, Waxman said, and the students have a motto that underlines the pioneering nature of the project: How far did the first airplane fly? When the vehicle's tanks are filled with compressed hydrogen from an outside source, it has the range of a conventional vehicle, though that defeats the purpose of showing that hydrogen can be created from clean, sustainable sources, then used to fuel vehicles. The truck also can be shifted to conventional power using a dashboard switch, which changes the fuel system over to a gasoline tank and fuel-injection. The students in the Environmental Technology Club who built the hydrogen truck recognize its experimental nature. We want to inform the public that there are different alternative fuels and what can be accomplished, said Nicolas Paredes, a 17-year-old senior. Most of the club members are new this year, the previous years' members having graduated. Nine students attended a recent after-school meeting to access the condition of the hydrogen truck, which was parked all summer and requires some repair, and make plans to advance the project. During the meeting, Waxman said the group plans to make improvements to the existing solar-hydrogen truck plus tackle a new project: a self-sustaining solar-hydrogen vehicle that uses fuel cells to power an electric drive system. The main challenge of building the solar-hydrogen truck was research, with much of the hydrogen-generating system designed by trial and error, Waxman said. The problem is there's no manual that says how to do this, the 39-year-old teacher said. We had to investigate how to make hydrogen for this. Last spring, the project won a first prize and grand prize at the Central Arizona Regional Science and Engineering Fair and was a finalist in May at the International Science and Engineering Fair in Portland, Ore. Graduating senior Soroush Farzin, a leader in the project, entered it in the fairs. Much of the solar-hydrogen truck project was completed through private donations and volunteer labor, including solar panels donated by Beaulieu. Mechanical work and technical assistance was provided by Kevin Fern of AFVTech, which stands for Alternative Fuel Vehicle Technology. Waxman and Fern gave a tour of the vehicle, showing how the solar panels create energy for the six electrolysis units mounted in a complex-looking maze of tubes and wires that make up the solar-hydrogen production unit. From there, the hydrogen is filtered for impurities and
Re: [Biofuel] Cost of biofuel
your own. At a rough production cost of .41-.42/liter (x3.78/USgal=$1.55-$1.59CDN converted at 28%= $1.21-$1.24USD/gal) Minus the labour that you provide yourself for free :) Also, this is basing on CDN costs for methanol (the biggest expense) and the US cost is lower than that, so what I have given is a worse case scenario for US producers, many have claimed less than that still. So, the least of all considerations for using biodiesel being financial, it is, as a by-product, also more economical than commercial BD or dino diesel. That notwithstanding that BD has many many other more important reasons to be used opposed to other form of energy that is readily available to the common person. If I, with absolutely NO background in carpentry,chemistry or hands-on tinkering, can produce a workable fully functional reactor/wash tank combo enclosed in a cabinet making top rated fuel then anyone with sufficient determination and dedication can do it. make your own, it is a VERY rewarding experience. Luc - Original Message - From: Mel Riser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 9:02 AM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Cost of biofuel currently I am paying between 2.80 and 3.40 a gallon mel -Original Message- From: csc-propulsion [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon 10/11/2004 3:26 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Subject: [Biofuel] Cost of biofuel Hi there, The cost of biofuel ( be it from coconut oil, palm oil, rapeseed, soybean, corn, sunflower, canola etc) including ethanol? Are there cost charts from various countries to peruse? At current oil price level can crop growers match with biofuel? Brazil went through that scenario with ethanol. Cheers, CS Chua ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Solar Hydrogen
aleviate it (maybe?) Should one's home already be off-grid (as yours is) but running a solar system, wouldn't it be feasible top simply detour a portion of that prodcued energy to a hydrogen capacitor of some sort and then pressure up the truck's tanks from that ? Kinda putting an laready existing sytem to double use ? I know nothing of these things and these are just ideas that sem to make sense, so please feel free to wade in and correct me. Luc - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 9:24 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Solar Hydrogen They will soon realize that the expenditure in solar equipment to make that vehicle go more than a few miles will cost much more than anyone will want to pay. Seems silly to spend 100x as much on solar panels (not including the fuel cell costs) than the electric it produces would have cost for the life of the vehicle from conventional sources. You can't beat liquid fuels for tranportation, and hydrogen is a loser no matter how you make it. But, some folks keep thinking they can beat the laws of physics . = = = Original message = = = Good question! That is what they are getting to, I'm sure... Jonathan Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When the vehicle's tanks are filled with compressed hydrogen from an outside source, it has the range of a conventional vehicle, though that defeats the purpose of showing that hydrogen can be created from clean, sustainable sources, then used to fuel vehicles. Yes, but if one were to set up a hydrogen system at one's home using the same solar panels(or more) and hydrogen unit and then stock the hydrogen tanks of the truck, still equiped with it's own system, wouldn't that make it run just like any other ? Luc - Original Message - From: MH To: Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 11:24 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Solar Hydrogen US FreedomTruck -- Powered by sunlight Student project leaps into future Bob Golfen The Arizona Republic Oct. 1, 2004 12:00 AM The ungainly looking Chevy pickup parked in the courtyard at Central High School, with a huge set of solar panels mounted on top, may not look so futuristic. But it certainly points the way. Hand-built on a shoestring budget by a Central physics teacher and a team of students, the truck is one of a kind, a demonstration of how future transportation can be self-sustaining and pollution-free. The truck is hydrogen-powered and creates its own fuel from solar energy and water, a technical feat that rivals the advanced technology being researched by major auto companies and universities. The four-cylinder engine is tuned to run on hydrogen, which is produced by a hand-built electrolysis system mounted in the bed. Teacher Cory Waxman and his students took four years to build the experiment, believed to be the only self-sustaining hydrogen vehicle that uses a conventional internal-combustion engine. Nobody has ever made a car that runs on sunlight and water, Waxman said. There are other cars that run on hydrogen, but they don't make their own fuel. Built for less than $10,000, the project has caught the attention of experts in alternative-fuel research. Over the past three years of research in hydrogen, I've been more impressed with what they did than anything else I've seen around the world, said Scottsdale inventor Bryan Beaulieu, who is building a hydrogen-powered house in north Scottsdale. With practically no resources, they are doing something everybody says it's going to take 20 years to do. Although the truck performs as planned, it's more of a demonstration project than a practical vehicle. The four solar panels and hydrogen-generating system create only enough fuel per day to travel a few miles. But that was expected, Waxman said, and the students have a motto that underlines the pioneering nature of the project: How far did the first airplane fly? When the vehicle's tanks are filled with compressed hydrogen from an outside source, it has the range of a conventional vehicle, though that defeats the purpose of showing that hydrogen can be created from clean, sustainable sources, then used to fuel vehicles. The truck also can be shifted to conventional power using a dashboard switch, which changes the fuel system over to a gasoline tank and fuel-injection. The students in the Environmental Technology Club who built the hydrogen truck recognize its experimental nature. We want to inform the public that there are different alternative fuels and what can be accomplished, said Nicolas Paredes, a 17-year-old senior. Most of the club members are new this year, the previous years' members having graduated. Nine students attended a recent after-school meeting to access the condition of the hydrogen truck, which was parked all summer and requires some repair, and make plans to advance the project. During the meeting, Waxman said the group plans to make improvements to the existing solar
[Biofuel] Sustainable Farming
I was just emailed this link that deals with sustainable farming. http://www.factoryfarm.org/ Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Running on B100
Well, it wasn't the fuel filters :( Apparently the BD is such an effective cleaner that it loosened up all the residuals in the tank and lines and they became clogged up. The Benz is now at the MB dealer where tomorow it will be fitted with new fuel lines and the tank emptied and flushed or replaced (only if necessary). The symptoms: the car started to resist it's momentum, like it was holding back and then releasing it's acceleration and then it slowly lost power until it came to a slow death on the side of the road. I changed the filters and started it back up and it ran OK for about 60 Km or so and then it didn't bother with the resisting part and went straight to the slow death thing. I could start it but it wouldn't get it's RPM up and died within moments indicating that there was resistance in the fuel delivery and the engine didn't like it and died. All air had been bled out of the system at both the primary and secondary filter inlets, so the problem, by default, is at the other end. Anybody know for sure if a 1983 240D has a filter in the fuel tank or if it has an electric motor pumping the fuel? Thanks, any input, as usual, is appreciated. Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100
in-line filter or the second one coming out of the fuel filter (to the left) away from you as you look at it from the right side of the car ? Luc - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100 The merc doesn't have a electric pump, but does have a external lift pump near the fuel filter feeding the injector pump. Make sure the return line isn't plugged. = = = Original message = = = Well, it wasn't the fuel filters :( Apparently the BD is such an effective cleaner that it loosened up all the residuals in the tank and lines and they became clogged up. The Benz is now at the MB dealer where tomorow it will be fitted with new fuel lines and the tank emptied and flushed or replaced (only if necessary). The symptoms: the car started to resist it's momentum, like it was holding back and then releasing it's acceleration and then it slowly lost power until it came to a slow death on the side of the road. I changed the filters and started it back up and it ran OK for about 60 Km or so and then it didn't bother with the resisting part and went straight to the slow death thing. I could start it but it wouldn't get it's RPM up and died within moments indicating that there was resistance in the fuel delivery and the engine didn't like it and died. All air had been bled out of the system at both the primary and secondary filter inlets, so the problem, by default, is at the other end. Anybody know for sure if a 1983 240D has a filter in the fuel tank or if it has an electric motor pumping the fuel? Thanks, any input, as usual, is appreciated. Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Sent by ePrompter, the premier email notification software. Free download at http://www.ePrompter.com. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] fuel additives
muffler. Only part that went south was the locking flange at the manifold ($26.00). Luc - Original Message - From: Erik Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 6:34 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] fuel additives --- Johnston, Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 124k miles on original exhaust seems exceptional to me, really?? is this also the experience of other people? i have quite a few cars here that have 100-200k on gasoline engines with the original exhaust and it's in good condition. and there's one with a rusted out muffler that has about 170k on it. and the diesels range from 150-300k + with no problems yet. i suspect that diesel fuel doesn't have the same problems that gas engines experience, but i don't really know. all numbers are in US miles. erik ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100
- Original Message - From: Mel Riser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 6:48 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Running on B100 be sure and have the dealer save the fuel lines so you can post mortem the reason. Sounds reasonable. if that years Benz's or that model has extra small lines or pronte to clogging, let us know. Actually it is touted as one of the better models to run BD in. were you running SVO or bio? b100? is it cold there yet? I have run B100 in it over the last couple months and logged a few thousands Km and it is just now showing up, as expected. you may indeed have something caused by low temps as well. Nope ! It sleeps indoors in a heated garage and it hasn't been cold enough yet daytime to worry about it. It is at the tank/fuel line end, for sure. I should have an exact causation by the end of the week at latest and will post accordingly. Luc mel -Original Message- From: Legal Eagle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon 10/11/2004 3:38 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Subject: [Biofuel] Running on B100 Well, it wasn't the fuel filters :( Apparently the BD is such an effective cleaner that it loosened up all the residuals in the tank and lines and they became clogged up. The Benz is now at the MB dealer where tomorow it will be fitted with new fuel lines and the tank emptied and flushed or replaced (only if necessary). The symptoms: the car started to resist it's momentum, like it was holding back and then releasing it's acceleration and then it slowly lost power until it came to a slow death on the side of the road. I changed the filters and started it back up and it ran OK for about 60 Km or so and then it didn't bother with the resisting part and went straight to the slow death thing. I could start it but it wouldn't get it's RPM up and died within moments indicating that there was resistance in the fuel delivery and the engine didn't like it and died. All air had been bled out of the system at both the primary and secondary filter inlets, so the problem, by default, is at the other end. Anybody know for sure if a 1983 240D has a filter in the fuel tank or if it has an electric motor pumping the fuel? Thanks, any input, as usual, is appreciated. Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100
and that there is air trapped inside the injectors somewhere, although I don't think so as I bled out the system with brand new filters, so, by default, the problem is at the tank end (maybe?). I shall soon see as I am having a Mercedes mechanic give it the twice over to determine EXACTLY what the boo boo is, and I shall be posting the results. I share you latitude thing (not quite as north as Edmonton)although no snow quite yet we did hit the freezing mark a couple of times so far and it is all down hill from here. **snow is a four letter word** Anyway, stay tuned. As far as the changing os the filters goes, the information on JtF states that after a couple of tank fulls of B100 to expect to have to change them, and that would be about right for me as I have run several tank fulls. although having a can type secondary filter it takes longer to fill up than the straight in-line type, so I was under the impression that that was the problem so I changed the secondary as the primary did not seem clogged (I put air to it in reverse and got nothing but clean fuel). However, I still want to change the lines and flush the tank out regardless, as I am sure nothing like this has ever been done in the Benz's 21 years of life, so a good enema is overdue. Luc - Original Message - From: Joey Hundert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 11:33 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Running on B100 Dear Luc, The posting of your experience is invaluable to me, thank you very much. I'm the proud new owner of a 1984 Merc 300D (5cyl turbo), and she's got about 200,000 miles on her (motor rebuilt 20,000 ago!). Therefore, I have every reason to believe that I'll have the exact same experience that you've had. What's more, the logistics are even scarier due to my latitude (Edmonton, Alberta, where we saw snow on September 7th). I have plans to run her on both B100 and SVO, therefore, my second tank is slated for install over the next couple of weeks. In that the old fuel filters and lines present such a potential crap chute, would it be advisable to run all veggie fuels (B100 or SVO) through the second, heated tank with new fuel lines until the summer? Thanks everyone, Joey Hundert Edmonton, AB -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Patrick Campbell Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 4:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100 Would going to B100 slowly help to avoid this problem? I.e. first running B5, then B10, then B25, etc.? I am granted a good tax deduction here in AZ if I run B70 however I need to do an emissions test and that has to be done before registration so my time is limited. I can't afford to screw up my vehicle by going straight to B70 and having it clog up my fuel lines(160K miles on the clock here) and leaving my stranded on my way to work. --- Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the input Steve. Would the return line be the one right after the in-line filter or the second one coming out of the fuel filter (to the left) away from you as you look at it from the right side of the car ? Luc - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100 The merc doesn't have a electric pump, but does have a external lift pump near the fuel filter feeding the injector pump. Make sure the return line isn't plugged. = = = Original message = = = Well, it wasn't the fuel filters :( Apparently the BD is such an effective cleaner that it loosened up all the residuals in the tank and lines and they became clogged up. The Benz is now at the MB dealer where tomorow it will be fitted with new fuel lines and the tank emptied and flushed or replaced (only if necessary). The symptoms: the car started to resist it's momentum, like it was holding back and then releasing it's acceleration and then it slowly lost power until it came to a slow death on the side of the road. I changed the filters and started it back up and it ran OK for about 60 Km or so and then it didn't bother with the resisting part and went straight to the slow death thing. I could start it but it wouldn't get it's RPM up and died within moments indicating that there was resistance in the fuel delivery and the engine didn't like it and died. All air had been bled out of the system at both the primary and secondary filter inlets, so the problem, by default, is at the other end. Anybody know for sure if a 1983 240D has a filter in the fuel tank or if it has an electric motor pumping the fuel? Thanks, any input, as usual, is appreciated. Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net
Re: [Biofuel] US to sell 5000 smart bombs to Israel
other country once the US's cowardly veto is taken out of the picture. How brave to stand in the way of sanctions against a nation that slaughters children as terrorists. What a proud legacy, but the bad guys hate them because of their freedoms, cheech, they just don't get it. The willingly blind supporting the psychotic and all is not well. Luc - Original Message - From: Ken Riznyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 8:25 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] US to sell 5000 smart bombs to Israel Israel also has ignored many more UN resolutions than Iraq ever did. This is true despite the fact that the US usually vetos most resolutions concerning Israel. Ken --- Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: isreal is the ONLY country in the middle east that DOES possess WMD's, nuclear as well as chem weapons of mass destruction. They have reperetedly refused the UN inspection passage and thier Dimona nuke plank is leaking like a sieve. Afghanistan and Iraq were bombed and invaded and their infrastucture destroyed, their children slaughtered, air anw water polulted with depleted uranium with a shelf life of BILLIONS of yearsw for a lot less than what Israel has and is doing, but good thing Congress keeps taking money from AIPAC, the center of the new spy scandal, to ensure that the US continues to veto any action that might paint Israel is it's true light. Luc - Original Message - From: fox mulder [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 4:36 AM Subject: [Biofuel] US to sell 5000 smart bombs to Israel Source: Al Jazeera http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/8C117F99-C20E-4738-A15B- 0BF683A1B21B.htm US to sell Israel 5000 smart bombs Israel has used US-made bombs to kill several Palestinians The United States will reportedly sell Israel nearly 5000 smart bombs in one of the largest weapons deals between the allies in years. The deal could face political controversy since Israel has used such bombs against the Palestinians. In one such instance in July 2002, a one-tonne bomb meant for a senior Palestinian resistance fighter also killed 15 civilians in an attack in the Gaza Strip. The deal is worth $319 million and was revealed in a Pentagon report made to the US Congress a few weeks ago, Israeli daily Haaretz said on Tuesday. Funding for the sale will come from US military aid to Israel. The bombs include airborne versions, guidance units, training bombs and detonators. These bombs are guided by an existing Israeli satellite used by the military. As part of the deal, Israel will receive 500 one-tonne bunker-buster bombs that can destroy 2m-thick concrete walls, 2500 regular one-tonne bombs, 1000 half-tonne bombs and 500 quarter-tonne bombs, the daily said. Bunker bombs Known by the military designations GBU-27 or GBU-28, bunker busters are guided by lasers or satellites and can penetrate up to 10 metres of earth and concrete. Israel may already have some of the bombs for its F-15 fighter jets, the paper reported. As they are part of the weapon set for the F-15, I would assume them to be in place, said Robert Hewson, editor of Jane's Air-Launched Weapons. Acquiring BLU-109s, which are mounted on satellite-guided bombs, would boost Israel 's capabilities, foreign experts say. Israel very likely manufactures its own bunker busters, but they are not as robust as the 2000lb ( 910kg ) BLUs, Robert Hewson, editor of Jane's Air-Launched Weapons, said. He said the bombs proved effective in the 1991 Gulf war and the more recent US-led invasion of Iraq . The US embassy in Israel had no comment, referring queries to Washington .Israel 's Defence Ministry also declined to comment. The Pentagon wants the deal to maintain Israel's military advantages and ensure US strategic and tactical interests, Haaretz said. Bombs for neighbours? Haaretz said Israel sought to obtain the US-made, one-tonne bunker-buster bombs for a possible future strike against Iran or Syria . A senior Israeli security source confirmed the Haaretz story saying: ... bunker busters could serve Israel against Iran , or possibly Syria . Our response to any invasive measure will be massive, Massoud Jazairi, spokesman for Iran 's Revolutionary Guard, said in Tehran . Iran , which does not recognise Israel 's right to exist, says its nuclear programme has only peaceful purposes to meet its growing energy needs. An Iranian Defence Ministry spokesman said the disclosure of a US-Israeli deal could be psychological warfare to test us ... This relationship has a long history. The United States has given Israel more advanced weapons than this. ~~ ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http
Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100
the BD would eventually kick in anyway, IMHO. It is just one of those events that has to be dealth with. Not unexpected, as the info on JtF has clearly pointed out. It is actually a good thing, 'cause you know that the engine is getting rid of all that accumulated residue from all that not-so-good dino fuel. The pumps, lines and injectors are getting a good cleansing, which should go a long way toward prolonging their life, again IMHO. My case may be unique in that normally you should simply just have a filter change or two to be concerned with, although my car, bought from a fellow that had it doing Taxi work for two years (blasphemy!), did not receive the attention that it should have and now I am dealing with that. It may or may not have anything to do with the fuel lines, as one poster put it, it may be air trapped in the injectors, although I am changing the fuel lines anyway, and also gioving the tank a good flush. That way at least I will have the satisfaction of knowing that that has been eliminated as a potential problem factor, and the elimination of factors is something I have been into since starting on BD production, not being any sort of expert at much of anything, so getting rid of variables is essential :) Luc - Original Message - From: Patrick Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 6:53 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100 Would going to B100 slowly help to avoid this problem? I.e. first running B5, then B10, then B25, etc.? I am granted a good tax deduction here in AZ if I run B70 however I need to do an emissions test and that has to be done before registration so my time is limited. I can't afford to screw up my vehicle by going straight to B70 and having it clog up my fuel lines(160K miles on the clock here) and leaving my stranded on my way to work. --- Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the input Steve. Would the return line be the one right after the in-line filter or the second one coming out of the fuel filter (to the left) away from you as you look at it from the right side of the car ? Luc - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100 The merc doesn't have a electric pump, but does have a external lift pump near the fuel filter feeding the injector pump. Make sure the return line isn't plugged. = = = Original message = = = Well, it wasn't the fuel filters :( Apparently the BD is such an effective cleaner that it loosened up all the residuals in the tank and lines and they became clogged up. The Benz is now at the MB dealer where tomorow it will be fitted with new fuel lines and the tank emptied and flushed or replaced (only if necessary). The symptoms: the car started to resist it's momentum, like it was holding back and then releasing it's acceleration and then it slowly lost power until it came to a slow death on the side of the road. I changed the filters and started it back up and it ran OK for about 60 Km or so and then it didn't bother with the resisting part and went straight to the slow death thing. I could start it but it wouldn't get it's RPM up and died within moments indicating that there was resistance in the fuel delivery and the engine didn't like it and died. All air had been bled out of the system at both the primary and secondary filter inlets, so the problem, by default, is at the other end. Anybody know for sure if a 1983 240D has a filter in the fuel tank or if it has an electric motor pumping the fuel? Thanks, any input, as usual, is appreciated. Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Sent by ePrompter, the premier email notification software. Free download at http://www.ePrompter.com. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ = Patrick Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home(VoIP): 201.345.4133 Mobile: 201.693.5950 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel
Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100
air in the injectors. Why? Prior to leaving for holidays, with B100 in thetank, I had the valves adjusted,all filters changed and other peripherals done by the MB mechanics at a VERY reputable dealer and they included on the work order that the lines had been successfully bled. I then left for holidays with a full tank of B100 and when that wa down to 1/4 tank or a bit less I fueled at the dino pump and then spent two weeks running around on that and then for the trip back I topped off on dino and when the tank was at a bit less than 1/4 again I put in the 44 liters I had brought along of B100 (which the engines loved and smoothed out immediately) and this was all on the band new filters installed by the Mercedes people. I continued running on those filters until this week, about a month's worth, and then the problem started, so I figured it was the filter being clogged by the residuals that the BD had removed, so I did a filter change myself. It was fine for about 150Km or so and then the problem came back.NOT a filter problem. By default, it is the lines and/or the tank having loosed it's dino deposits and that has clogged the system. Ergo, should anyone want to run B100 in an older car/truck it might be a good idea to do the line/tank fluch thing BEFORE, avoiding the PITA (PainInTheAnatomy) that I am going through. A wise man learns from his mistakes, a wiser man yet learns from the mistakes of others :) Stay tuned for more on this developing saga. Luc - Original Message - From: Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 6:26 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100 Following another post (no subject) it could be that I have this all wrong and that there is air trapped inside the injectors somewhere, although I don't think so as I bled out the system with brand new filters, so, by default, the problem is at the tank end (maybe?). I shall soon see as I am having a Mercedes mechanic give it the twice over to determine EXACTLY what the boo boo is, and I shall be posting the results. I share you latitude thing (not quite as north as Edmonton)although no snow quite yet we did hit the freezing mark a couple of times so far and it is all down hill from here. **snow is a four letter word** Anyway, stay tuned. As far as the changing os the filters goes, the information on JtF states that after a couple of tank fulls of B100 to expect to have to change them, and that would be about right for me as I have run several tank fulls. although having a can type secondary filter it takes longer to fill up than the straight in-line type, so I was under the impression that that was the problem so I changed the secondary as the primary did not seem clogged (I put air to it in reverse and got nothing but clean fuel). However, I still want to change the lines and flush the tank out regardless, as I am sure nothing like this has ever been done in the Benz's 21 years of life, so a good enema is overdue. Luc - Original Message - From: Joey Hundert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 11:33 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Running on B100 Dear Luc, The posting of your experience is invaluable to me, thank you very much. I'm the proud new owner of a 1984 Merc 300D (5cyl turbo), and she's got about 200,000 miles on her (motor rebuilt 20,000 ago!). Therefore, I have every reason to believe that I'll have the exact same experience that you've had. What's more, the logistics are even scarier due to my latitude (Edmonton, Alberta, where we saw snow on September 7th). I have plans to run her on both B100 and SVO, therefore, my second tank is slated for install over the next couple of weeks. In that the old fuel filters and lines present such a potential crap chute, would it be advisable to run all veggie fuels (B100 or SVO) through the second, heated tank with new fuel lines until the summer? Thanks everyone, Joey Hundert Edmonton, AB -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Patrick Campbell Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 4:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100 Would going to B100 slowly help to avoid this problem? I.e. first running B5, then B10, then B25, etc.? I am granted a good tax deduction here in AZ if I run B70 however I need to do an emissions test and that has to be done before registration so my time is limited. I can't afford to screw up my vehicle by going straight to B70 and having it clog up my fuel lines(160K miles on the clock here) and leaving my stranded on my way to work. --- Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the input Steve. Would the return line be the one right after the in-line filter or the second one coming out of the fuel filter (to the left) away from you as you look at it from the right side of the car ? Luc - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED
[Biofuel] Convert Anything
This is a link that someone posted to the old list at Yahoo some time ago. It is an .exe freeware program that is a very handy converter from/to metric/US/Imperial measurements and weights. It installs in seconds to whatever folder to direct it to. http://joshmadison.com/software/convert/default.asp Luc PS: I ran a Norton anti-virus check on it and it turned up clean ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100
them and I explained what is what and what I wanted, so now they are having a technician (German for mechanic, ha!) look into it. I am not very mechanically inclined so I pay as I go, although as things progress I am slowly coming around to the small stuff and hopefully will acquire a bit more savy and abilities the more I listen to you guys :) Only the stubborn and overly proud can't learn from others. Hopefully I shall be neither. Luc - Original Message - From: Steve Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 9:38 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100 The return line should get rid of air in the system for you. air will either escape in the cylinder, or return to the tank. Steve Spence http://www.green-trust.org - Original Message - From: Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 6:26 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100 Following another post (no subject) it could be that I have this all wrong and that there is air trapped inside the injectors somewhere, although I don't think so as I bled out the system with brand new filters, so, by default, the problem is at the tank end (maybe?). I shall soon see as I am having a Mercedes mechanic give it the twice over to determine EXACTLY what the boo boo is, and I shall be posting the results. I share you latitude thing (not quite as north as Edmonton)although no snow quite yet we did hit the freezing mark a couple of times so far and it is all down hill from here. **snow is a four letter word** Anyway, stay tuned. As far as the changing os the filters goes, the information on JtF states that after a couple of tank fulls of B100 to expect to have to change them, and that would be about right for me as I have run several tank fulls. although having a can type secondary filter it takes longer to fill up than the straight in-line type, so I was under the impression that that was the problem so I changed the secondary as the primary did not seem clogged (I put air to it in reverse and got nothing but clean fuel). However, I still want to change the lines and flush the tank out regardless, as I am sure nothing like this has ever been done in the Benz's 21 years of life, so a good enema is overdue. Luc - Original Message - From: Joey Hundert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 11:33 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Running on B100 Dear Luc, The posting of your experience is invaluable to me, thank you very much. I'm the proud new owner of a 1984 Merc 300D (5cyl turbo), and she's got about 200,000 miles on her (motor rebuilt 20,000 ago!). Therefore, I have every reason to believe that I'll have the exact same experience that you've had. What's more, the logistics are even scarier due to my latitude (Edmonton, Alberta, where we saw snow on September 7th). I have plans to run her on both B100 and SVO, therefore, my second tank is slated for install over the next couple of weeks. In that the old fuel filters and lines present such a potential crap chute, would it be advisable to run all veggie fuels (B100 or SVO) through the second, heated tank with new fuel lines until the summer? Thanks everyone, Joey Hundert Edmonton, AB -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Patrick Campbell Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 4:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100 Would going to B100 slowly help to avoid this problem? I.e. first running B5, then B10, then B25, etc.? I am granted a good tax deduction here in AZ if I run B70 however I need to do an emissions test and that has to be done before registration so my time is limited. I can't afford to screw up my vehicle by going straight to B70 and having it clog up my fuel lines(160K miles on the clock here) and leaving my stranded on my way to work. --- Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the input Steve. Would the return line be the one right after the in-line filter or the second one coming out of the fuel filter (to the left) away from you as you look at it from the right side of the car ? Luc - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100 The merc doesn't have a electric pump, but does have a external lift pump near the fuel filter feeding the injector pump. Make sure the return line isn't plugged. = = = Original message = = = Well, it wasn't the fuel filters :( Apparently the BD is such an effective cleaner that it loosened up all the residuals in the tank and lines and they became clogged up. The Benz is now at the MB dealer where tomorow it will be fitted with new fuel lines and the tank emptied and flushed or replaced (only if necessary). The symptoms: the car
Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100
Luc - Original Message - From: Greg Harbican [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100 What would happen if the return line was plugged and fuel could not get through ( or very little of it )? Greg H. - Original Message - From: Steve Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 07:38 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100 The return line should get rid of air in the system for you. air will either escape in the cylinder, or return to the tank. Steve Spence http://www.green-trust.org ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Short-range hydrogen
cook will ensure you are getting a high quality food that you have control over and it is something that you invest toward your future, whereas going to the double-greasser is a cop out that you will not pay for in the moment but will pay dearly for in the long run in heart disease and other health problems. (see the movie/documentary Double Size Me) You can make a diesel run on unwashed BD too and cut out all the hastle of washing ect but sooner or later the poor quality catches up and you pay dearly for trying to cut corners. If you take the time and effort to do it right the first time you will not have to go back and redo it in the future, providing you get an opportunity to do that. Luc - Original Message - From: Walt Patrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 10:58 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Short-range hydrogen It's sort of like the need to distinguish between what one's going to have for dinner, and how one is going to manage their diet. You can get a McDonald's double-cheese burger for a buck a piece every day of the week, so why endure all the upfront cost involved in building a kitchen and learning to cook? ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Cleaning Action of Bio-Diesel
it, and the MB has a primary and secondary filter at the engine compartment. The primary is an in-line type and teh secondary a spin-on small can type. Neither seemed to be blocked, although I thought the secondary had blocked and changed it, but the stalling problem returned. The filter that had been in there was one that MB put in when I had it gicven the twice over before leaving for holidays but then the stalling and choking occured. Two new filters, same problem, ergo not the filters. However ther still remains the question of the sediment filter at the tank which would make all the sense in the world as sediment is essentially what we would be dealing with when speaking of the cleansing abilities of BD. I just wish I knew where the dangfanit thing was located. I suppose I am a little more mechanically inclined than Bush is moral (as a point of referrence)but not by much, which means that the dealer gets to pile up vacation cash at my expense, unfortunately. Nor do I have any sort of facilities that afford me the space to work on a car. The indoor garage is off-limits to such ventures :( I shall find out today if they have started on it or not. Luc - Original Message - From: Daniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 8:31 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Cleaning Action of Bio-Diesel Hi Luc I have 2 friends that have been running on bio for about 3 months now. They have both converted their trucks to have a CAV fuel filter which incorporates a glass bowl for examining sediments and this also has a drain screw for emptying those sediments. They have found that in the first 5000 km of driving that they needed to examine and drain/replace their filters and sediments bowls at about 100 km intervals. However now the system has stabilized. Most diesel vehicles have a sediment filter and a final filter. The sediment filter is usually located near the tank and that would be the one blocking on your MB. The final filter is a final safety measure to catch any fine particles that may have bypassed your sediment filter. If your final filter is blocked then particles may bypass it and then damage your injector pump. The fuel feed or return lines/pipes will never ever block in your situation. All the work can be done by an inexperienced paerson ie anybody and you appear to be wasting your time and money taking your MB to a dealer for repairs. All that you needed to do is clean both filter housings internally and replace both filter elements. The primary sediment filter element may need to be replaced and/or cleaned many times until your system is finally clean. What my friends also experience is small amounts of glycerine sedimenting out of the bio-diesel in the sediment filter which they visually spot and drain off. They simply check their sediment bowl visually every 500 km or so now. regards, Daniel 14. B100 Cleaning action (Legal Eagle) 15. RE: fuel additives (Erik Lane) 16. Re: fuel additives (Brian) Message: 14 Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 20:26:48 -0400 From: Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] B100 Cleaning action To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Does anyone have any clear information on fuel tanks being affected in the use of B100, as in any documented experiences where the BD has dislodged residues which has resulted in a clogging of tank or fuel filters ? Thanks. Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel]Beaten Afgan bride
organisation for you.-please read with extreme sarcasm. The New York Times was one of the leaders in pushing for the illegal and immoral invasion of sovereign Iraq along with The Washington Post, and have, as such, relinquished any semblance of unbiased status. Their subsequent refusal to reverse direction after that the lie was made obviouslyclear is yet another indicator tha their position was not one based upon an innocent mistake from the disinformation brought out by the Office of Special Plans headed by the Zionist cabal in Washington. It was intentional and vicious. Intended to sway public opinion into supporting what they knew was a crime against humanity. These so-called news sources have to be taken with much more than a grain of salt whenever politically sensitive subjects are being covered by them. They have proven themselves to be nothing but propaganda arms for the US administration, not true and honest journalists, of which there are many many more outside the US mainstream than within it. Luc - Original Message - From: fox mulder [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 5:14 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel]Beaten Afgan bride Source: The New York Times http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/06/opinion/06kris.html?oref=login Beaten Afghan Brides By Nicholas D. Kristof The New York Times Wednesday 06 October 2004 Kabul - I had an inspiration about where Osama bin Laden might be hiding. But when I visited the women's detention center in Kabul, there was no sign of him. I did meet Ellaha, a bold 19-year-old prisoner who startled me by greeting me in English. (Like many Afghans, she uses only one name.) She had been attending college as a refugee in Iran when her family pulled her out, alarmed that education might corrupt a young lady's morals. Her family returned to Afghanistan, and she found work in a U.S. construction company, where her bosses were so impressed that they began arranging a scholarship for her to go to Canada to study. That horrified her family because the patriarchs had decided that she would marry her cousin. I didn't agree to marry him, she told me through an interpreter, because he is not educated and I don't like his job - he is a butcher. Plus, he's three years younger than me. When it was almost time for me to go to Canada, and I was asking about flights, she added, they tied me up and locked me in a room. It was in my uncle's house. My father said, 'O.K., beat her.' I'd never been beaten like that in all my life. My uncle and cousins were all beating me They broke my head, and I was bleeding. Ms. Ellaha's younger sister, who had been pledged to another cousin, was facing the same treatment. After a week of being tied up, the two sisters agreed to marry their cousins. So we went home, Ms. Ellaha added, and escaped. The two sisters moved into a cheap guesthouse as they prepared to flee Afghanistan. But their family learned where they were hiding, and the police came to arrest them. On what charge? It's because their lives were in danger, said Rana, the head of the detention center. Ms. Ellaha agrees that her family was pretty close to killing her. The sister is apparently back home, but I was not allowed to interview her. The police subjected Ms. Ellaha to a mandatory virginity test. Fortunately, her hymen was intact, or she would have faced a prison sentence. Now she worries that she will be released into her family's custody and then forced to marry her cousin. If that happens, she told me, I will kill myself. The entire jail is a kaleidoscope of woe. It's been two years since President Bush declared that in Afghanistan, Today, women are free. But that's news to the inmates. Nazilah, 17, had been married to an old man with tuberculosis who beat her - she was his second wife. She ran away and was picked up by the police. Now the authorities are figuring out whether they can return her to her husband's family without getting her killed. Then there is Sohailla, 18, who says she was kidnapped for three days by the family of a young man who wanted to marry her (the police suspect that she went to his house voluntarily). The police subjected her to a virginity test; after she failed, she got a three-year sentence for fornication. Inequality is so deeply embedded in this society that there are no easy solutions. In a new opinion poll in Afghanistan, 87 percent of those surveyed said women needed to ask their husbands' permission to vote. There was little difference in the answers of men and women. The best route to change is new schools, new clinics and more economic opportunity - and those steps are just what the lack of security is blocking in much of southern Afghanistan, the most traditional part of the country. Mr. Bush urgently needs to bolster security in rural areas in the south, so reconstruction projects can go ahead there. The liberation of Afghanistan from the Taliban was crucial, but only a first
Re: [Biofuel] learning and connecting in the eco-fuels ind.
you can play in the big time, Ha! http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html Tells you how to do it and also how to get started. Start at the top in order to get the gist of the process before moving onto full sized batches. If you don't understand why right now, you will. Do not cut corners on good equipment either. Get a good electronic scale and method of meassuring PH ( I prefer an electronic PH meter). You will need other thigs also: 99%pure methanol, Naoh or KOH as a catalyst. Isopropyl alcohol ( I use 99% from a pharmacy but apparently the rubbing stuff at 70% works.) Anyway, you get the idea. There are other things you will need as part of the set-up costs. The reactor system you decide on should be fumeless (no escaping methoxide fumes during processing). There are examples at the link above. Another consideration is the size reactor and wash system that will serve your needs. Things to consider. Luc - Original Message - From: Yossi Rouch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 1:29 PM Subject: [Biofuel] learning and connecting in the eco-fuels ind. Hiya. My name is Yossi and I live in Vancouver. I am interested in getting involved in the bio-deisel industry. My strengths and experience include, networking, marketing, organizing and Co-operating. Specifically, I am interested in helping to produce and distribute bio-diesel in Vancouver, BC and learning as much as I can about the process and business of it. Any leads would be appreciated. Thanks. Eventually, I hope to get funding for something like this or something related. I am currently involved with the Vancouver Re-newable Energy Co-op who are presently concentrated on Solar, but I think I would like to go more the eco-fuels route. I also have a vested interest in biodiesel. I have a big, very useful deisel van, Betsy, who is dying get some vegi oil into her. She already has two tanks with a switch, but I am not a mechanic so I need some help to complete the work and get her running clean and smelling like a chip truck. If anyone knows someone who can help me, I'd be grateful. Thanksh. I can also donate cargo service (ie picking up waste oil) Yossi. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 604 254 0009. 604 779 8807. Have a great day. _ Enjoy 25MB of inbox storage and 10MB per file attachment with [1]MSN Premium. Join now and get the first two months FREE* References 1. http://g.msn.com/8HMBENCA/2746??PS=47575 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Bio fuel replacement for heating oil
useful. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/altfuelfurnace/ Luc - Original Message - From: Simon Gibbard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 8:58 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Bio fuel replacement for heating oil Hi OK my self and my wife own a small holding in Somerset, we are trying to reduce our costs of living and reduce our impact on the enviornment at the same time, so making use of waste oil to run the Aga seems like a good idea if it can be done. We currently run our central heating on pallet wood that we get from the local plumbers merchant who gets a large number of one way only pallets that would otherwise end up in land fill. We also have a solar water heater and have made wind generators. At the moment our biggest non controlable (if we want hot water and cooking) cost is running the Aga. I have made biodiesel using the various recipies from the net but am trying to find out if anyone has any experience of making a replacement for heating oil (sec28 ). The problem I am facing is getting a fuel that is volatile enough to vapourise of the top of the concentric wickes used in the aga without geing so volatile that it burns down the wick. Any help would be much appreciated. Regards Simon *** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please contact the Wessex Water Support Centre email :- [EMAIL PROTECTED] This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com *** __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Affordable Sources for bulk isopropyl alcohol
could get was 4.5 liters and I still have PLENTY of that left. I transfer it to a smaller (500ml)bottle and keep the bulk in a cool dark place. Luc - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 12:55 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Affordable Sources for bulk isopropyl alcohol I'm Living in Virginia in the US and have recently begun homebrewing. I've run into some trouble finding affordable sources for bulk isopropyl alcohol of 99% purity. Can anyone share some sources with me. I'm also researching opening a BD fueling station, or delivery service. I'm conducting this research for my Undergrad Thesis and hope to begin to supply BD in the DC metro area if it is feasable. Let me know if you have any valuable resources for me. Thanks David Hello David Why do you need bulk isopropyl alcohol? A 500cc bottle should last you a while, any chemical supply house should be able to provide you with that. Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Re: [Biofuel] US to sell 5000 smart bombs to Israel
have spent all their oil money on making their countries a paradise, instead of war-torn, hostile catastrophes. I can see why the Israelis would want to acquire the bombs. After all, doesn't Iran want Nuclear weapons? Didn't Iraq want them, too? Didn't Iraq lobe scuds (not true scuds, but they were made from Russian scuds) at the Israelis in Desert Storm? Yeah, I can see why the Israelis want bombs. And maybe the US isn't selling the bombs to Israel because it favors the Jews. Maybe it's because these Arab countries refused to take down their terrorist networks. srael also has ignored many more UN resolutions than Iraq ever did. This is true despite the fact that the US usually vetos most resolutions concerning Israel. Ken --- Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: isreal is the ONLY country in the middle east that DOES possess WMD's, nuclear as well as chem weapons of mass destruction. They have reperetedly refused the UN inspection passage and thier Dimona nuke plank is leaking like a sieve. Afghanistan and Iraq were bombed and invaded and their infrastucture destroyed, their children slaughtered, air anw water polulted with depleted uranium with a shelf life of BILLIONS of yearsw for a lot less than what Israel has and is doing, but good thing Congress keeps taking money from AIPAC, the center of the new spy scandal, to ensure that the US continues to veto any action that might paint Israel is it's true light. Luc - Original Message - From: fox mulder [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 4:36 AM Subject: [Biofuel] US to sell 5000 smart bombs to Israel Source: Al Jazeera http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/8C117F99-C20E-4738-A15B- 0BF683A1B21B.htm US to sell Israel 5000 smart bombs Israel has used US-made bombs to kill several Palestinians The United States will reportedly sell Israel nearly 5000 smart bombs in one of the largest weapons deals between the allies in years. The deal could face political controversy since Israel has used such bombs against the Palestinians. In one such instance in July 2002, a one-tonne bomb meant for a senior Palestinian resistance fighter also killed 15 civilians in an attack in the Gaza Strip. The deal is worth $319 million and was revealed in a Pentagon report made to the US Congress a few weeks ago, Israeli daily Haaretz said on Tuesday. Funding for the sale will come from US military aid to Israel. The bombs include airborne versions, guidance units, training bombs and detonators. These bombs are guided by an existing Israeli satellite used by the military. As part of the deal, Israel will receive 500 one-tonne bunker-buster bombs that can destroy 2m-thick concrete walls, 2500 regular one-tonne bombs, 1000 half-tonne bombs and 500 quarter-tonne bombs, the daily said. Bunker bombs Known by the military designations GBU-27 or GBU-28, bunker busters are guided by lasers or satellites and can penetrate up to 10 metres of earth and concrete. Israel may already have some of the bombs for its F-15 fighter jets, the paper reported. As they are part of the weapon set for the F-15, I would assume them to be in place, said Robert Hewson, editor of Jane's Air-Launched Weapons. Acquiring BLU-109s, which are mounted on satellite-guided bombs, would boost Israel 's capabilities, foreign experts say. Israel very likely manufactures its own bunker busters, but they are not as robust as the 2000lb ( 910kg ) BLUs, Robert Hewson, editor of Jane's Air-Launched Weapons, said. He said the bombs proved effective in the 1991 Gulf war and the more recent US-led invasion of Iraq . The US embassy in Israel had no comment, referring queries to Washington .Israel 's Defence Ministry also declined to comment. The Pentagon wants the deal to maintain Israel's military advantages and ensure US strategic and tactical interests, Haaretz said. Bombs for neighbours? Haaretz said Israel sought to obtain the US-made, one-tonne bunker-buster bombs for a possible future strike against Iran or Syria . A senior Israeli security source confirmed the Haaretz story saying: ... bunker busters could serve Israel against Iran , or possibly Syria . Our response to any invasive measure will be massive, Massoud Jazairi, spokesman for Iran 's Revolutionary Guard, said in Tehran . Iran , which does not recognise Israel 's right to exist, says its nuclear programme has only peaceful purposes to meet its growing energy needs. An Iranian Defence Ministry spokesman said the disclosure of a US-Israeli deal could be psychological warfare to test us ... This relationship has a long history. The United States has given Israel more advanced weapons than this. ~~ ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all
Re: [Biofuel] 2004 Florida Prezadenchul Ballot
- Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 11:50 PM Subject: [Biofuel] 2004 Florida Prezadenchul Ballot Florida's Secretary of State is beta-testing the online ballot for this year's election. The State of Florida is asking for volunteers to test the system to be sure it works right. Whahahaha! Actually they had a monkey (a real live hairy one, not Bush) hack into the Diebold machine during a news conference lately, but the Orwellian controlled media didn't think it was note worthy enough to make any kind of splash about. It apparently is a fairly simple matter (evidently) of tapping two stealth spots on the screen and that opens up the program to tampering. Nice move Diebold ! And of course this wasn't built in by the makers of ultra secire ATM's and other secure systems taht actually DO leave a paper trail as backup. Of course this could be, from a staunch Republican supporter (Diebold), intentional for deniability's sake. Bush loses the election and claims the machines are faulty and cancels them, but that is only if he can't get away with outrightly stealing it again. Third option ? Another fake terror attack and the whole thing is off. National emergency and all that. What are the real world possibility that there will be an legitimate election in the US? Very slim.After all, there is that agenda to keep. Luc To take part in this pre-election experiment (and roll on the floor laughing, maybe crying), go to... http://wearabledissent.com/101/floridaballot.html ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Oct 20 Auction in Buffalo. Biodiesel ss tanks/ags.
heated space. Luc - Original Message - From: Guag Meister [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 9:38 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Oct 20 Auction in Buffalo. Biodiesel ss tanks/ags. Hello All ; Please see : http://www.henrybutcher.com/en/saledetails.asp?SaleID=4127 Bakery auction in Buffalo on Oct. 20. Several VERY nice stainless tanks 100 gal-850 gals with agitators and diaphram pums, controls. Check out site ref #39 (gorgeous), #97, #161 for starters. Wish I was local. Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand __ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Re: Re: [Biofuel] Noble gesture by Bush
Judaism. That continues the myth that Jesus was a jew that the so-called inter-faith crowd that serve Israeli interests like to use. Jesus was NOT a jew nor was there any such thing as judaism at the time He physically walked the earth. Jesus was born Judean and of the tribe of Judah, hense Hebrew by blood. The words jew and judaism didn't even find themselves in the English language until the 18th century. Judaism is in fact a continuance from Talmudism which came from Phariseeism, the very doctrinal base that Jesus so deplored in his verbal attacks on the hypocritical religious system of the day. When Jesus said,Ye by your traditions make the law of God of none effect it was in direct reference to this same Talmud, cornerstone to modern judaism which is in fact actually in practice Talmudism and completely removed from the Torah or Old Testament. So-called christians in the American right support Bush because of his position in brown nosing Israel ,not to mention that Sharon most likely has something on him that would be really revealing, like what involment Israel has in 9-11 that Bush classified. The false assumption that modern day Israel is in some way The Return of Jacob is just that , fake. it is a few who have taken a prophetic message and used it out of context to better further a poitical agenda. The modern day state of Israel is not inhabited by semites of the blood decendancy from the Hebrew Judeans but are an eastern turko-finish race of mongols that history has identified as Khazars who converted en-masse about 700AD when their king Bula, was in search of a common belief for his empire to thwart to advances of the Christian Russian and Bysantynes who eventually did conquer them but not before Bula had brought back from the grave, so-to-speak, the Talmud and it's rabinical herecies and Christ hating blaphemies. Mohamed was instructed by a Christian monk and later recounted the stories he heard, himself being illiterate, to scribes upon his return to the Moorish peoples that he led into a life of faith based upon what he had learned. Israel today is still the same Khazars that it has always been. One trademark of this empire was to conquer tribes and then live off of the taxation imposed upon them as well as to mercenary out huge armies to the highest bidder. This gave them great wealth and influence. The one unifying influence throughout the Khazarian empire was the teachings of the Talmud which flatly state that all those not calling themselves jews are not even considered human, nor is killing Christians a sin but rather an offering to god. Who has benefited from the conflicts in the Middle East ? Why is there always a terrorist attack just when it looks as though some sort of peace is at hand? Who benefits from it? The Palestininas whose land and children are stolen and slaughtered? Or is it not rather those who get to keep what they have stolen ? To whose advantage is the oil grab in Iraq ? Wouldn't be to the bludger state of Israel that sucks the US taxpayer dry to the tune of 4 BILLION dollars per year would it? What of that pipeline from Kirkuk to Haifa that they are all in such a hurry to build? Too bad the Iraqi people keep blowing it up so that the Zionists can't steal that too huh? America's so-called christians and their support, both moral and financial, of the Zionist serial wars makes of them such hypocrites and traitors to the name of Christ and what he taught and stood for that it will take quite the rude awakening to ever get them to see the truth and subsequentkly the grave error they have made in supporting a criminal venture that is not even Semite in nature to start with. http://texemarrs.com/impure_blood.htm Shows that by DNA proof that those living in the political state of Israel who call themselves jews aren't. It is a scam ! http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/13trindx.htm Award winning author Artur Koestler traces the origins of the Khazars and what became of them. Alfred Lilienthal's What Price Israel also shows up this racial and cultural fraud for what it is. http://www.alfredlilienthal.com/what_price_israel.htm And finally, a comprehensive comparative work by Elizabeth Dilling using quotations directly from The Jewish Encyclopedia and The Babylonian Talmud (Soncino Edition) shows what this so-called holy book, The Talmud actually teaches about Christ and Christians; a must-read for all those so-called christians in America that think Israel is so great. http://www.come-and-hear.com/dilling/dcontents.html That is if they can get past the Rabbis spitting on them in the streets of Jerusalem. The so-called christian right in the US is directly res[ponsible for all the blood of thousands of innocent children thathas been spilled over there as accessories both before and after the fact and for that they will stand naked before God and give account, but not before dragging the worthy name of Christ into the
Re: Re: Re: [Biofuel] US to sell 5000 smart bombs to Israel
and their power? Why did, within a week of Israel's creation, did Arab armies defy the U.N. and attack Israel? You tell me; I don't know. What did the Arab nations have to fear from this one little colony in 1948? That is kind of like the rest of the United States fearing a little state like Rhode Island! Of course, Arab/Jew fighting wasn't anything new. It had gone on for centuries. And the British had been using their Mid-East colonies to defend and buffer them from Russia for centuries. But these Muslims didn't have to choose hate. They could be flourishing countries now if they hadn't succumbed to the lure of hate, using the unfairness of Israel to bring war and accumulate an expensive stock of weapons. They could have spent all their oil money on making their countries a paradise, instead of war-torn, hostile catastrophes. I can see why the Israelis would want to acquire the bombs. After all, doesn't Iran want Nuclear weapons? Didn't Iraq want them, too? Didn't Iraq lobe scuds (not true scuds, but they were made from Russian scuds) at the Israelis in Desert Storm? Yeah, I can see why the Israelis want bombs. And maybe the US isn't selling the bombs to Israel because it favors the Jews. Maybe it's because these Arab countries refused to take down their terrorist networks. srael also has ignored many more UN resolutions than Iraq ever did. This is true despite the fact that the US usually vetos most resolutions concerning Israel. Ken --- Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: isreal is the ONLY country in the middle east that DOES possess WMD's, nuclear as well as chem weapons of mass destruction. They have reperetedly refused the UN inspection passage and thier Dimona nuke plank is leaking like a sieve. Afghanistan and Iraq were bombed and invaded and their infrastucture destroyed, their children slaughtered, air anw water polulted with depleted uranium with a shelf life of BILLIONS of yearsw for a lot less than what Israel has and is doing, but good thing Congress keeps taking money from AIPAC, the center of the new spy scandal, to ensure that the US continues to veto any action that might paint Israel is it's true light. Luc - Original Message - From: fox mulder [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 4:36 AM Subject: [Biofuel] US to sell 5000 smart bombs to Israel Source: Al Jazeera http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/8C117F99-C20E-4738-A15B- 0BF683A1B21B.htm US to sell Israel 5000 smart bombs Israel has used US-made bombs to kill several Palestinians The United States will reportedly sell Israel nearly 5000 smart bombs in one of the largest weapons deals between the allies in years. The deal could face political controversy since Israel has used such bombs against the Palestinians. In one such instance in July 2002, a one-tonne bomb meant for a senior Palestinian resistance fighter also killed 15 civilians in an attack in the Gaza Strip. The deal is worth $319 million and was revealed in a Pentagon report made to the US Congress a few weeks ago, Israeli daily Haaretz said on Tuesday. Funding for the sale will come from US military aid to Israel. The bombs include airborne versions, guidance units, training bombs and detonators. These bombs are guided by an existing Israeli satellite used by the military. As part of the deal, Israel will receive 500 one-tonne bunker-buster bombs that can destroy 2m-thick concrete walls, 2500 regular one-tonne bombs, 1000 half-tonne bombs and 500 quarter-tonne bombs, the daily said. Bunker bombs Known by the military designations GBU-27 or GBU-28, bunker busters are guided by lasers or satellites and can penetrate up to 10 metres of earth and concrete. Israel may already have some of the bombs for its F-15 fighter jets, the paper reported. As they are part of the weapon set for the F-15, I would assume them to be in place, said Robert Hewson, editor of Jane's Air-Launched Weapons. Acquiring BLU-109s, which are mounted on satellite-guided bombs, would boost Israel 's capabilities, foreign experts say. Israel very likely manufactures its own bunker busters, but they are not as robust as the 2000lb ( 910kg ) BLUs, Robert Hewson, editor of Jane's Air-Launched Weapons, said. He said the bombs proved effective in the 1991 Gulf war and the more recent US-led invasion of Iraq . The US embassy in Israel had no comment, referring queries to Washington .Israel 's Defence Ministry also declined to comment. The Pentagon wants the deal to maintain Israel's military advantages and ensure US strategic and tactical interests, Haaretz said. Bombs for neighbours? Haaretz said Israel sought to obtain the US-made, one-tonne bunker-buster bombs for a possible future strike against Iran or Syria . A senior Israeli security source confirmed the Haaretz story saying: ... bunker busters could serve Israel
Re: Re: Re: [Biofuel] US to sell 5000 smart bombs to Israel
with the Zionist venture in the middle east and the only people who seem not to get it are the Americans themselves, but the rest of the workd isn't kept that mind-numbingly ignorant of what is really going on. The recnet oil grab in Iraq was not a uniquely American venture, especially when one looks at the cabal that is surrounding the White House's top echelon, all Zionists with duplicious loyalties and how that The Office of Special Plans (Douglas Feith at the helm, notable Zionist) was yused in conjunction with it's counterpart in Ariel Sharon's office to subvert normal intelligence channels and keep a steady stream of disinformation flowing back into the WH about WMD's in Iraq ect encouraging and formulating strategy for a criminal and murderous invasion of sovereign territory. The US has become a pirate nation, and no longer enjoys the legal or moral high road to anywhere. They are now exposed as puppets of the Zionist cabal (not the other way around) who do with them as they will. American blood flows so Israel can continue killing the innocent with the blessing of so-called christians in America. There are none so blind as those who refuse to see light, and the state of denial that has overcome a great portion of the American populace is slated to wake up only when it has ecome innexcusably too late. This idea that poor Israel is the world's geatest and only legitimate victim is also a sham. They are the world's geatest and most proliferate abuser of the innocent that has ever come along, and that is not IMO either, it is documented for those caring enough to do the slightest modicum of research. Luc - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 1:40 PM Subject: Re: Re: [Biofuel] US to sell 5000 smart bombs to Israel I don't know whether there is actually going to be such a sale. It does strike me as strange that Iran should need NUCLEAR power when it has all the oil it needs for pennies on the dollar for its power needs. The U.N., not the U.S. or Great Britain, gave Israel to the Israelis in 1948. In fact, I'm not sure the U.S. even recognized this transaction. I don't know how much, if any, compensation was given to the Palestinians who got relocated. I am not even sure I agree that the U.N. should have given the Israelis this land. However, when you think about it, Israel is just a very small place on the map, yet all the Arab nations claim to fear them and their power? Why did, within a week of Israel's creation, did Arab armies defy the U.N. and attack Israel? You tell me; I don't know. What did the Arab nations have to fear from this one little colony in 1948? That is kind of like the rest of the United States fearing a little state like Rhode Island! Of course, Arab/Jew fighting wasn't anything new. It had gone on for centuries. And the British had been using their Mid-East colonies to defend and buffer them from Russia for centuries. But these Muslims didn't have to choose hate. They could be flourishing countries now if they hadn't succumbed to the lure of hate, using the unfairness of Israel to bring war and accumulate an expensive stock of weapons. They could have spent all their oil money on making their countries a paradise, instead of war-torn, hostile catastrophes. I can see why the Israelis would want to acquire the bombs. After all, doesn't Iran want Nuclear weapons? Didn't Iraq want them, too? Didn't Iraq lobe scuds (not true scuds, but they were made from Russian scuds) at the Israelis in Desert Storm? Yeah, I can see why the Israelis want bombs. And maybe the US isn't selling the bombs to Israel because it favors the Jews. Maybe it's because these Arab countries refused to take down their terrorist networks. srael also has ignored many more UN resolutions than Iraq ever did. This is true despite the fact that the US usually vetos most resolutions concerning Israel. Ken --- Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: isreal is the ONLY country in the middle east that DOES possess WMD's, nuclear as well as chem weapons of mass destruction. They have reperetedly refused the UN inspection passage and thier Dimona nuke plank is leaking like a sieve. Afghanistan and Iraq were bombed and invaded and their infrastucture destroyed, their children slaughtered, air anw water polulted with depleted uranium with a shelf life of BILLIONS of yearsw for a lot less than what Israel has and is doing, but good thing Congress keeps taking money from AIPAC, the center of the new spy scandal, to ensure that the US continues to veto any action that might paint Israel is it's true light. Luc - Original Message - From: fox mulder [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 4:36 AM Subject: [Biofuel] US to sell 5000 smart bombs to Israel Source: Al Jazeera http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/8C117F99-C20E-4738-A15B- 0BF683A1B21B.htm US to sell
[Biofuel] Piracy and the Oil Grab
The Wikipedia Free Encyclopedia describes piracy thus: A pirate is one who robs or plunders (at sea) without a commission from a recognized sovereign nation. Pirates usually target other ships, but have also attacked targets on shore. These acts are known as piracy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piracy If one were to simply expunge the words at sea it would acurately describe what the United States has done in Iraq. The commission from a recognized sovereign nation was not in effect as the Congressional authorisation for invasion was conditional upon the establishment of fact that Iraq was connected to either Al Queda or that a direct link to 9-11 could be drawn. Neither of these Congressional pre-conditions were met, although the US miltary has gone into a sovereign nation under the flag of no authorization and plundered it and decimated it's infrastructure, slaughtering it's civilian population. This is an act of global piracy; and pirates, like mercenaries, are afforded very little rights having acted outside the sanctions of legitimacy. The UN has declared the invasion illegal under international law.It has already been shown that the invasion was also illegal under US law, therefore the insurgents (the invading army of US/UK and Australian troops) are by all legal definitions, pirates and should be addressed as such by an intrenational war crimes and piracy tribunal, and those found responsible (the entire Bush/Zionist cabal) made to personally pay restitution and penalty for their crimes. Rumours already have a joint US/Israeli sneak attack on Iran's defenses as being on paper simply awaiting the selection (not a typo)on Nov 2. This would bring to three sovereign nations invaded on false pretences for the benefit of the Zionist agenda and control of middle eastern oil. Iran, unlike Iraq, has not been beaten down with 13 years of murderous sanctions not has it's infrastructure been destroyed and it's armed forces are in very good shape, supported by and advised by Russia and cosying up to the Chinese of late as well. Any venture into Iran will not be as relatively easy as Iraq was and may in fact be the Rubicon that will not be crossed and could easily envision the US having to resort to nukes as their ground forces and air power will be faced with sudden resistance of the kind that will make Iraq look like the touted cake walk they assumed it would be. This is only my opinion, of course. Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Israel warned it may become pariah
already.The only place that Israel is not an outcast is in the US Congress who are bought and paid for. There won't be any sanctions against Israel at the UN level because the US is there to assume the role of protector and beneficiary assuring the rest of us that Israel will have a free reign of things, to slaughter at will. It seems the EU isn't looking at it that way though, and are considering action OUTSIDE the UN, but then we all know what anti-semites that old Europe is anyway. With Bush signing the global anti-semitism act that aill rate nations according to how they treat the Zionists, oh, I mean jews, we are not about to see any honesty coming out of either nation for the foreseeable future. The ADL has already been found to create fake anti-semitic attacks to bolster it's propaganda position and more and more of these are being exposed as hoaxes, so what happens ? The US creates a perfect vehicle by which the hoaxes can continue and proliferate and now will rate other countries on whether or not they buy it. But, of course, this is not covert coersion of the billing, Ha! The economy of the US is in such tatters right now that it cannot recover and all those who continue to support the US's foreign debt load will be dragged down with it. It is not only due to specualtions on the oil market that prices are reaching above the $US55/barrel mark, it is also a direct result of the dollar's foundering. OPEC wants a more realistic income for it's product and does not want to be the ones to pick up the wanning dollar, so the price of crude is agjusted to reflect a more Euro friendly revenue. Saddam was the first to go entirely to the Euro for oil exports, dumping the buck completely, so if Saudi and the others do the same all those trillions being held in foreign reserves will come home to roost and it will be difficult to get a loaf of bread for a wheel barrow full of useless fiat dollars. In steps the oil grab and a hopeful stability to the green back. Or so the plan was supposed to go, but the Zionist cabal running the White House don't give a penny for the state of the US economy, they want control over that oil, which, as a by-product, would actually make it somewhat more of an independant state instead of the bludgers they now are, to the tune of 4 billion dollars per year coming straight out of the US economy, but it is not only the US citizen that ends up paying the bill. As the International monetary standard, the US dollar's position is being abused so that this debt is expected to be picked up by foreign investors (other nations) but these investors are never going to get a return on their investment and they now know it, so i t will fall on the backs of the US citizens top pay up for an illegal war built on lies and fabrications, in the end. Even denominations in the US (under screams ofanti-semitism)are beginning to outcast Israel by divesting in it until they redress the Palestinian's right to autonomy as outlined in the Balfour Declaration, that great document that Briatin drew up partitioning a country that did not belong to it. The security fence (apartheid wall) cuts deeo into palestinian agricultural lands, WAY outside the boundaries set by the Green Line, oulined in Balfour, but it is not a land grab, ha! When the political state of Israel bulldozes olive groves and homes it isn' t in an attempt to deprive the Palestininas of a means to life, it is for their security, and the US is right there with veto in hand should anyone complain about it. But they hate you for your freedoms, Ha! Israel has set itself apart in the way it has refused to be inspected by the nuclear body internationally recognised for that purpose. Israel has set itself aprt by having it's puppet, the US, veto every attempt to bring order out of the chaos they have created in their genocide of the Palestinians. Israel's disregard for others and it's wanton flouting of international law has set it apart from the world community, so where it is going or might be a pariah (outcast) is a mystery. The rest of the world is only now finally waking out of it's canatonic state to the reeality that Israel's policies are criminal and they want little to nothing to do with it, but due to the US's position as chief bully, they have to tread softly or risk being the future home of Mr's Tomahawk and Cruise. The world does not love the US they fear it, and with good cause. Luc - Original Message - From: fox mulder [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 5:08 AM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Israel warned it may become pariah Israel warned it may become pariah 15 October 2004 ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Biofuel] Running B100
It appears that not only is the screen filter in the tank severely gummed up but that the lines themselves are brittle and in need of changing. After this latest upgrade I do believe that my Benz will be BD adjusted and I can get on with more important things, like getting ready for another season of increased BD production. I learned on the weekend that I may have a clientele building without my even looking for one, so the expansion I was planning is a good thing. That's the beauty of a good BD set-up, it can be easily expanded to increase productivity without having to re-build a whole new reactor/wash tank system :) Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Running B100
on my email that is posted with every one of the messages I have going to the list and ask away, or... Luc - Original Message - From: Fritz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 3:44 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Running B100 Hi Luc, my name is Fritz,i am Quebecois and would appreciate a privat mail from you at [EMAIL PROTECTED] merci Fritz from Lac du Cerf - Original Message - From: Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 2:56 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Running B100 It appears that not only is the screen filter in the tank severely gummed up but that the lines themselves are brittle and in need of changing. After this latest upgrade I do believe that my Benz will be BD adjusted and I can get on with more important things, like getting ready for another season of increased BD production. I learned on the weekend that I may have a clientele building without my even looking for one, so the expansion I was planning is a good thing. That's the beauty of a good BD set-up, it can be easily expanded to increase productivity without having to re-build a whole new reactor/wash tank system :) Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] first batch of biodiesel
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#3biod When I first got started I dedicated a kitchen blender, a re-sealable Grolsch beer bottle (for the methoxide) and a small saucepan to the project along with a simple thermometer that I used to use for checking refer loads while trucking (about $9). I only made 500ml test batches rathere than full 1 liter ones and just did the math to calculate the ingredients.After titrating to determine the amount of NaOH or KOH to mix into the methanol; Fill saucepan with oil, heat to 130F (55C) while mixing up the methanol and lye. Be sure all the lye has disolved in the methanol. (the Grolsch bottle was great for this) and that the oil is no more than the 55C or the methoxide will want to boil off it's methanol (148.5F) and that is no good for a complete reaction. Oil is at 55C and methoxide is ready. Pour hot oil into blender,flip on blender (which will no longer be used for food) and slowly add the methoxide through the top opening of the blendeer. Close top and allow to blend for about 18-20 minutes. Toss the lot into a Masson jar and let settle. In the morning you should have a clear seperation of BD on top and glycerine on the bottom, providing everything was mixed properly. And the rest, such as washing ect is pretty well explained at the link. Luc - Original Message - From: John Guttridge [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 5:53 PM Subject: [Biofuel] first batch of biodiesel Hello biofuels people, I am about to start making my first batch of biodiesel and I have a whole bunch of questions. in much of the literature it says that it is important that your reacting vessel be sealed to keep the fumes in but the logistics of how to do that while simultaneously stirring and measuring temperature aren't very well covered until you get into building a complicated reactor (probably not worth it for my 1L test batch) I want to make a jarful, does anyone have any good suggestions for fume management. I saw some mention of using a blender but it is not immediately apparent how one would maintain temperature while blending. I saw people throw out their price per gallon as being in the 40-75 cent range, what are people paying for methanol to be getting those prices? what portion of the methanol is reclaimed? I got my methanol from mcmaster carr for $43/5 gal, they haven't told me yet what it is going to cost to ship even though they promise to ship it today, I am expecting that it will be expensive because it is flammable and toxic. I was looking for an electric immersion heater but I couldn't find one for less than 5 gallons (too big to fit in a jar) should I do some sort of a double boiler on a hot plate??? what kind of a return should I expect, if I start with 1L of oil and 250mL of methanol and 6.25g of lye (planning on doing the 2-stage recipe) how much of each of the products should I expect? Thanks in advance for all of your help!! this is a great list! John Guttridge ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] How it's done
If one,two or three turn out to be fakes, there is a better than average possibility that they are ALL phoney propaganda ploys. http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=4045 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] ANOTHER typhoon!!!
- Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 8:09 AM Subject: [Biofuel] ANOTHER typhoon!!! I can't believe it - this is TENTH this year. Usually there are only two or maybe three a year in Japan. And October is too late for typhoons anyway. Seems nobody told this one... And no one instructed the bumble bee that according to the laws of physics it shouldn't fly either sometimes a bit of levity in an otherwise very serious situation helps clear the mind. Hope you are all well, roosting hen and all. I learned lately that there is quite a scoence to raising chickens and that they have a complete heirarchy, the pecking order is NOT a myth or merely a euphemism, it reeally is that way. Try to stay dry, but mostly safe. Luc Most of them have missed us, or the worst of them have, we just got the accompanying three-day drenching. I thought this one would be the same, and we were well into the drenching already, solid skywater all day and all last night. I wanted to brew biodiesel today so I thought I'd go ahead anyway and set about doing it. Once started I had to continue... Despite the fact that I had to rescue the chickens and bring them inside, so there were chickens all over the place, and chicks, little fluffy golfballs dashing about and getting underfoot. I managed not to soak any of them with sulphuric or something. Couldn't rescue the one who's sitting on her eggs, so I barricaded her in somehow, poor thing, it's not very nice out there. I guess she'll be okay, if not too happy about it. Meanwhile this isn't just a drenching, it's a killer - it's killed 15 people already, and it's right overhead, high winds, and it's wrecking everything. Midori went to Kyoto today, she just got back, I was VERY pleased to see her. And she me, she barely made it - trains stopped, roads flooded, embankments collapsed, and a 10-mile drive from the station over the mountains in the K-truck hoping the slope wouldn't collapse on her. Now we're hoping the mountain behind our bedroom wall won't collapse on the whole village. Oh well. I might even finish the brew, if a falling tree doesn't take out the power supply or something. :-( Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Religion and Politics
When one takes the time to look at the three big monotheistic religions of today; traditional Torah believers, Muslims and Christians it is not long that upon reading in these Holy Books that one comes to the conclusion that there is nothing inherently wrong with this belief system as it all ties together to form a platform for peace and cooperation under the banner of love for God and love for one another. I intentionally exclude The Talmud here as it is NOT a holy book but rather an extrapolation of rabinical doctrines, dogmas and traditions unrealated to the texts of any of the above,except to distort and manipulate them. A truly religious person is not one that brings harm to others. It is not until the Scriptures of the Holy Books are twisted and distorted to suit a political pre-determined agenda do we see such destructive agencing of religion and politics. There are not joined anywhere except in the distortions of those with another completely side agenda to pursue and religious position then becomes nothing but a pawn in the equasion. Does this make religious belief wrong? Or is it not rather the twisting and distorting of the overall message of peace the thing that is wrong? Religion, in it's true form, has never been at the root of hate toward others, however we need not look very far into history to see that those who have distorted religious belief for a political agenda have commited untold atrocities and it is religious belief that has suffered the backlash. So it is today with the so-called christian support for the criminal and unjust wars (plural) being waged for yet another political agenda. Scripture has been distorted and manipulated so that those with a fore-concluded political agenda can jsutify to themselves and others what would otherwise be outright acts of barbarism, and again it is the belief system that is being denigrated instead of those who have distroted and manipulated it. This is not slated to change, althopuhg itis important to understand what really is going on, in that respect, and not categorize all who hold a religious belief system as part of the problem when these later want NOTHING to do with the present political agenda being forced upon the world, all in the name of what is Holy, of course. Jesus spent a lot of time going after just such hypocrites and they finally killed His physical body for it too, however His teachings have survived the ages as a reminder and guide to those who truly seek communion with a higher godhead, and embrace peace. This is not to say that there are not other religious belief systems that do not hold as dear the concepts of peace and respect for others, because there are. I am merely here dealing with those that are most affecting the world we live in at present, and who hold the reins to the direction things will go in. Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Not all those calling themselves jews support Zionism
As I have said many times, it is not everyone who calls him/herself a jew that adheres to, nor believes in the aims and goals of the Zionists and their oppression of others. Here is what those have to say in their own words about Zionism and anti-semitism : http://www.rense.com/general58/zzin.htm Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel Process Agitation Question.
It seems that it couldn't be any more violent than a drill and paint stirrer, and THAT I have done with good success. Washing it the same way also proved a good method. Once processed, test it using the quality test; http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_vehicle.html#quality and if you habe good fuel (a complete reaction) then proceed with a vigorous wash and it will not hurt anything, although if you have not gottena complete reaqction you will get a whole whack of emulsion (not good). Luc - Original Message - From: Guag Meister [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 11:38 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Biodiesel Process Agitation Question. Hello All ; I have an opportunity to buy 4-5 stainless steel agitators. They are about 1 meter long, and the impellors are about 6 in diameter and are designed to run at full speed (ie. no gear reduction). In other words, they really whip the mixture, not just agitate it. They have an outer shroud which guides the fluid past about 8 small curved blades. The blades are only about 1 in long. I understand that vigorous agitation during conversion reduces the needed process time. Are these a good idea?? Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Kids Opt for Kerry
have sworn fealty to Israel instead of thier own people. The good of the one is not necessarily to the benefit of the other, unless we are looking at ONLY the political agendas. What a friend the US has in Israel; they bombed the USS Liberty knowing full well it was an American ship and killed a bunch of sailors hoping to get America to retaliate against Egypt. The Mossad set up a transmitter in a blacl ops in Tripoli Lybia knowing full well the US echelon or other such intelligence apparatus would decipher the mesage, and Reagan bombed Lybia killing Ghaddafi's 11 year old daughter. There is more than a little doubt about the USS Cole incident as well, not to mention the information linking Israel to 9-11 that Bush had classified. The FBI recently were in the process of unearthing an entire spy ring centered around AIPAC, the Zionist front group and the Office of Special Projects headed by Zionists until they were ordered to lay off by Rummy himself. Tghe spes would have a channel that flowed information to and from Israel without the hinderance of being cleared via the CIA and that way the WMD lie was cooked up that led to the criminal slaughter of thousands. What a friend, huh? So what does America have to look forward to? One way or the other the interests of Israel will be put ahead of those of the American people. Most people, includig myself, do not hate Americans, although what is being done in their name by the governing body and their friends is worthhy of the highest disdain, regardless of the system of values that one holds dear. The exception to that (system of values)has already been covered in past posts, so no sense in beating it any more here. Both Bush and Kerry have the same almamater, The Skull and Bones society at Yale, a notably satanic ritualistic and highly secretive group which neither candidate will to this day talk about. One report even has them blood relatives to a British lineage, however that is not conclusively proven, I believe. Children are simple at heart, as they should be, and will automatically see a warmonger and be attracted to whomever is opposite. Even if syblings are often at odds with each other, it is very traumatising for them if the parents are in a constant state of disunity and quarrel. It is not an environment they appreciate, so sinmply looking at things Kerry has not yet shown his entire true colours and Bush has. He has lied to the world to start a war of conquest. Children are not stupid either and can see that as well, enough to not want anything to do with it. Luc - Original Message - From: MH [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 6:23 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kids Opt for Kerry You've got to love those kids. They recognize a winner when they hear one. Don't be to harsh on them. How were they to know someone wouldn't like the results after that there in? They picked Clinton and the Bush's and now their moving on with Kerry. Someone had to win. Maybe next time, eh? Cheers Steve Spence wrote: Good thing we don't let kids vote. Of course they believe whatever their parents do at that age. That's why we let them develop brains before we let them vote. Republicans don't let their kids watch Nickelodeon, they have more sense than that ;-) Here's hoping for 4 years of anyone but Kerry. Hank the Angry Drunken Dwarf maybe? Won't be the first time a dead man got voted in for office. = = = Original message = = = Kids Opt for Kerry in Bellwether Online Poll October 20, 2004 by Reuter http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1020-08.htm LOS ANGELES - The kids have spoken, and it's Sen. John Kerry with a convincing victory over President Bush on Nov. 2. An unusual opinion poll that has correctly predicted the winner of the last four presidential elections has given Democratic challenger Kerry 57 percent against 43 percent for Bush, according to results released on Wednesday. The Nickelodeon cable channel, better known for programs SpongeBob Squarepants and Jimmy Neutron, conducted Kids Vote, an online survey of almost 400,000 children on Tuesday. The latest Reuters/Zogby poll showed Bush and Kerry in a dead heat two weeks before the Nov. 2 election. Other polls also showed them in a statistical tie or Bush holding a slim lead. Nickelodeon, a unit of Viacom Inc., has organized its poll every election since 1988, and has a 100 percent record of picking the winner. The 'Kids' Vote' seems to work as a good barometer of the actual presidential vote because, developmentally, kids between the ages of two and 11 share the same opinions and outlooks as their parents, said Cyma Zarghami, president of Nickelodeon Television. The survey was the final step in a yearlong political awareness campaign on Nickelodeon. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Biofuel] Kids Opt for Kerry
Actually there were real live WMD's in Iraq right after trhe invasion. However the problem was it was the spooks that were trying to bring 'em in and they got friendly fired all to bits. Somebody forgot to tell the gunners they were the good guys, and you know those gunners, just itchin' to gun someone, like that Psycho guy who whacked the four Canadians in Afghanistan and was awarded a slap on the wrist for his efforts. http://www.envirosagainstwar.org/edit/index.php?op=viewitemid=331 http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/?page=story_12-8-2003_pg1_9 Just a couple so as not to take up too much space. Good thing the US media covered none of this huh? Luc - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 9:13 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kids Opt for Kerry Hmmm, this is interesting. Intelligence cutbacks to virtually nonexistant? I guess that also explains why all the WMDs turned out to be non-existant..., because the darned good intelligence that George W. Bush said he gets, was actually virtually nonexistant (according to Greg Harbican) because funding for intel had been previously cut back to zero. (Oh..., sorry..., virtually nonexistant.) Well. That answers that question. But if you're right Greg, then George W. should be appropriately assessed as being nothing but a bald faced liar who fabricates intel out of thin air, because there was virtually no intelligence (You know..., due to the cut backs you refer to.). Now, we wouldn't want your conclusive findings to give cause for assessing something as ugly as that against Mr. Bush, would we? And do you remember those timely panty raids (Republican inside joke) that were conducted during the impeachment hearings? You know, the attacks on suspected terrorist camps that the anti-Clinton camp claimed were a pre-meditated diversion from the hearings? I have to profess, all these dyed in the wool Bush supporters are a peculiar lot, always wanting it both ways. Bombing is a diversion. Not bombing lets the blame be cast against someone else's watch. Must be quite convenient fabricating no-lose situations for all occassions. Helps considerably in shifting the burden of responsibility whenever that time comes. Come on Greg. Just between you, me, Donald Rumsfeld, George Bush and the fly on the wall? We know where the[ weapons of mass destruction] are, don't we? Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Greg Harbican [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 8:10 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kids Opt for Kerry - Original Message - From: Friedrich Friesinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 17:00 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kids Opt for Kerry I wonder why nobody talks about that 9/11 hapened at GWB's wach !!! Fritz Maybe because it was planned, organized, and rehearsed on Clinton's watch. That's right, the pilots were undergoing the 2+ yrs of flight training while Clinton was in office.Did I forget to add that Clinton cut the intelligent budgets, back to the point that human gathered intelligence was cut back to the point that it was virtually nonexistent, opting to rely on satellite gathered intelligence?What about the fact that it was planned by a man, that the US had 3 chances to have arrested and be delivered to the US, for trial on other charges, had Clinton accepted on anyone of those 3 times. Someone pointed out a news a story about how over 100,000 hrs of audio tape intelligence ( gathered from the satellites that Clinton loved ) from before the 9/11, has yet to be translated, and somehow it was Bushes fault ( How much of this is from before Bush took Office? Just as a guess, I would say most of it, that much just doesn't come in over night. ).That is over 11 years worth of translating for 1 person, if they did nothing else with their lives - or 2,500 40 hr work weeks.Let's do the math, Bush was in office 9 months, and 11 years worth of audio tape needed to be translated, and this was to be done in less than 4 years?No Way! Clinton had 8 years of various terrorist attacks against US targets overseas and he didn't make it a priority to find out exactly who was doing what Clinton didn't make a priority of having audio intelligence translated faster, if he had allocated funds for 25 translators, he would have known who was doing what and could have it taken care of in less than 3 years. Greg H. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to
Re: [Biofuel] Kids Opt for Kerry
had nothing to do with them. Take it or leave it, like everything else. That is what the delete button is for.A little touchy aren't we? So sorry. I shall refrain from injuring any further. Luc - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 11:05 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kids Opt for Kerry U..., Luc? Would you be so kind as to stop laying all the conspiracy theories on as thick as plum jam? I for one am perfectly familiar with the grand depths of deceipt, malfeasance and marauding the human animal is capable of. And I have virtually no doubt that there is far more to what has occurred (in any venue) than we will ever know. Just that it gets a little old when every syllable posted by you is anti-everything-under-the-sun. It's not the entire world that is evil. Just the evil part. And it would be nice to have a chance to catch one's breath between assaults. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 10:46 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kids Opt for Kerry Hey Todd; Actually there were real live WMD's in Iraq right after trhe invasion. However the problem was it was the spooks that were trying to bring 'em in and they got friendly fired all to bits. Somebody forgot to tell the gunners they were the good guys, and you know those gunners, just itchin' to gun someone, like that Psycho guy who whacked the four Canadians in Afghanistan and was awarded a slap on the wrist for his efforts. http://www.envirosagainstwar.org/edit/index.php?op=viewitemid=331 http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/?page=story_12-8-2003_pg1_9 Just a couple so as not to take up too much space. Good thing the US media covered none of this huh? Luc - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 9:13 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kids Opt for Kerry Hmmm, this is interesting. Intelligence cutbacks to virtually nonexistant? I guess that also explains why all the WMDs turned out to be non-existant..., because the darned good intelligence that George W. Bush said he gets, was actually virtually nonexistant (according to Greg Harbican) because funding for intel had been previously cut back to zero. (Oh..., sorry..., virtually nonexistant.) Well. That answers that question. But if you're right Greg, then George W. should be appropriately assessed as being nothing but a bald faced liar who fabricates intel out of thin air, because there was virtually no intelligence (You know..., due to the cut backs you refer to.). Now, we wouldn't want your conclusive findings to give cause for assessing something as ugly as that against Mr. Bush, would we? And do you remember those timely panty raids (Republican inside joke) that were conducted during the impeachment hearings? You know, the attacks on suspected terrorist camps that the anti-Clinton camp claimed were a pre-meditated diversion from the hearings? I have to profess, all these dyed in the wool Bush supporters are a peculiar lot, always wanting it both ways. Bombing is a diversion. Not bombing lets the blame be cast against someone else's watch. Must be quite convenient fabricating no-lose situations for all occassions. Helps considerably in shifting the burden of responsibility whenever that time comes. Come on Greg. Just between you, me, Donald Rumsfeld, George Bush and the fly on the wall? We know where the[ weapons of mass destruction] are, don't we? Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Greg Harbican [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 8:10 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kids Opt for Kerry - Original Message - From: Friedrich Friesinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 17:00 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kids Opt for Kerry I wonder why nobody talks about that 9/11 hapened at GWB's wach !!! Fritz Maybe because it was planned, organized, and rehearsed on Clinton's watch. That's right, the pilots were undergoing the 2+ yrs of flight training while Clinton was in office.Did I forget to add that Clinton cut the intelligent budgets, back to the point that human gathered intelligence was cut back to the point that it was virtually nonexistent, opting to rely on satellite gathered intelligence?What about the fact that it was planned by a man, that the US had 3 chances to have arrested and be delivered to the US, for trial on other charges, had Clinton accepted on anyone of those 3 times. Someone pointed out a news a story about how over 100,000 hrs of audio tape intelligence ( gathered from the satellites that Clinton loved ) from before the 9/11, has yet to be translated, and somehow it was Bushes fault ( How much of this is from before Bush took Office? Just as a guess, I would say most
Re: [Biofuel] Gulf Coast Plant
route. http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor5.html This can be done on your balcony if that is all you have. grabted 5 gal is not very nmuch however the unit can be sidelined and used as recovery still later should you want to go larger still. Stay with the Methoxide the Easy Way method: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_aleksnew.html#easymeth and if you go staright to a 22 liter carboy for mixing then you can keep it for the expansion. With a 3/4 inch garden tap welded into the bottom as low as possible you can drain the glycerine from there and also use the same pail for washing with the same drill with a paint stirrer attachment. drain the water via the garden trap and do it over again a couple times to be sure all the residues are out and you can then filter and dry your now fininshed 5gal of BD. Luc - Original Message - From: Robert Maynard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Gulf Coast Plant Mississippi here...have been interested in biodiesel for a while, but only test batches performed...lack the resources (space) for a larger scale, but definitely interested - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 9:10 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Gulf Coast Plant Everyone, We are in the process of establishing a Biofuel plant on the Gulf Coast. Doe's anyone have information on the Market or have any suggestions for us? Also is there anyone on the mailing list that lives on the LA, MS, AL or FL coast that would have interest in this project? We may also be looking for a Process Engineer that has a background in Biofuel, Joe Casanova TTP Enterprises, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] References 1. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Re[2]: [Biofuel] Kids Opt for Kerry
served me was to confirm stuff I had picked up along the way. Just because you are not paranoid doesn't mean that they are not after you :) Luc - Original Message - From: Gustl Steiner-Zehender [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Greg Harbican [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 11:46 AM Subject: Re[2]: [Biofuel] Kids Opt for Kerry Hallo Greg, Thursday, 21 October, 2004, 20:10:26, you wrote: I spent 8 years in the military. I was a spook and worked at an NSA/NSG (No Such Agency/Naval Security Group) command in the operations section. I am still in daily contact with many former, retired and current members of the intel community many of whom are my friends as well as colleagues. Over the years I have also worked with other spooks from all the military services as well as the CIA/DIA. I am not unfamiliar with the day to day nuts and bolts operations within that very small community. GH - Original Message - GH From: Friedrich Friesinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] GH To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] GH Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 17:00 GH Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kids Opt for Kerry I wonder why nobody talks about that 9/11 hapened at GWB's wach !!! Fritz GH Maybe because it was planned, organized, and rehearsed on Clinton's watch. GH That's right, the pilots were undergoing the 2+ yrs of flight training GH while Clinton was in office.Did I forget to add that Clinton cut the GH intelligent budgets, back to the point that human gathered intelligence was GH cut back to the point that it was virtually nonexistent, opting to rely on GH satellite gathered intelligence?What about the fact that it was planned GH by a man, that the US had 3 chances to have arrested and be delivered to the GH US, for trial on other charges, had Clinton accepted on anyone of those 3 GH times. Somehow people have the mistaken notion that all problems can be fixed by throwing money at them. Had Clinton expanded the intel budget ten fold it would not have made a whit of difference. In the middle east it is extremely difficult to get on-the-ground human intel resources. Next to impossible. Money would have made no difference whatsoever. How much money are the lives of oneself and ones family worth? And, who wants to help the patron of the Zionist cause even against the Iraqi dictator? One needs to understand the geopolitical thoughts and attitudes of folks before making decisions about what has happened and the why's and wherefore's of the events. Money was NEVER the problem. GH Someone pointed out a news a story about how over 100,000 hrs of audio tape GH intelligence ( gathered from the satellites that Clinton loved ) from before GH the 9/11, has yet to be translated, and somehow it was Bushes fault ( How GH much of this is from before Bush took Office? Just as a guess, I would say GH most of it, that much just doesn't come in over night. ).That is over 11 GH years worth of translating for 1 person, if they did nothing else with their GH lives - or 2,500 40 hr work weeks.Let's do the math, Bush was in office GH 9 months, and 11 years worth of audio tape needed to be translated, and this GH was to be done in less than 4 years?No Way! GH Clinton had 8 years of various terrorist attacks against US targets overseas GH and he didn't make it a priority to find out exactly who was doing what GH Clinton didn't make a priority of having audio intelligence translated GH faster, if he had allocated funds for 25 translators, he would have known GH who was doing what and could have it taken care of in less than 3 years. GH Greg H. When working an intel billet whether civilian or military the first thing one learns is to look at the raw data with eyes which are detached from ones own personal political/religious/cultural bias. If one fails to do that then no matter how good the intel the analysis will be flawed and may cause unforseen damage to the interests of ones country. Intelligence collection and analysis must be neutral in order to be correctly and effectively used. The long and short of the 11 years of untranslated tapes is that they were not the problem. The administration from Bush on down had all the hard intel they needed but they ignored that because they were using bad, marginal and false intel to further their own partisan political agenda and not for the interests of either our country or that of either Afghanistan or Iraq. The neocons, all Zionists to a person and none of whom have served in the military, were in a position to run all intelligence through the office of Doug Feith, another neocon, and what was publicly reported was picked and chosen according to the aims of the neocons. This is the first time in the history of the US intelligence services that such a thing has ever happened on such a scale. What is even more startling and disturbing is
Re: [Biofuel] VW TDI efficiency
pump they switched to. If memory serves correctly the preceeding years were just fine. I have a 1983 240D Mercedes that is presently getting the screen filter (sediment filter) in the tank changed as well as the fuel lines. The absolute necessity of the change of fuel lines might be up for question although some have experienced problems with the return line and it may need to be changed, but again, if memory serves, that was for pre-'85 cars so your '95 should be OK other than a filter change after a couple tank fills. That is what happened with mine; tw o or three tank fulls of B100 and all the accumulated crap from 21 years of Dr. Dino came loose :) The problem will not have time to reoccur. Luc - Original Message - From: Buck Corrigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 1:01 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] VW TDI efficiency Hi Ken; I'm just finishing my first 150 l. batch of biodiesel. I seem to remeber someone saying the newer VW TDI's didn't like the biodiesel very much. Have you experienced any problems other than having to change filters? I've got an older ford diesel (95) I plan to run on the biodiesel, and my wife has a 2000 Jetta TDI. She'a a bit nervous about using home-made fuel in her baby. Any comments would be appreciated. Buck ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] methanol recovery/first batch results
downsized version ? You got a Winzip? I could fire them off in a matter of minutes if you like. Let me know Luc PS: Congrats on getting started on your way to making good quality BD. - Original Message - From: John Guttridge [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 1:27 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] methanol recovery/first batch results I did the quality test and it resulted in a milky white layer on the bottom, a thick white layer in the middle and a milky yellow layer on the top. interestingly my siphoned off biodiesel separated again over the following night into a perfectly clear yellow layer on the bottom and a milky yellow layer on the top. I have posted some images here: www.lightlink.com/jonny5/biofuel/ you will have to excuse the complete lack of processing on the images, I don't have my tools installed on the new laptop yet. I think that you are right that I am starting in the wrong place here. I am going to do another batch this afternoon using the pelly method and see how it works out. John Guttridge. Keith Addison wrote: Hello John what kind of a methanol recovery rate can I expect once I start doing that? Depends which stage you do it at, and what you want to do with the by-product. Easiest is taking back the methanol straight after processing, before separating the by-product, but this is inclined to cause a reverse reaction in the biodiesel. Still, you can get a lot back before that happens, especially with a vacuum. Otherwise, about 70% of the excess methanol ends up in the glycerine by-product, and about 30% in the biodiesel. A simple condenser will get most of the 30% back from the biodiesel without too much trouble. As for the by-product fraction, if you have a market for potassium fertiliser and/or industrial-grade glycerine (about 80-90% pure) which makes it worth the cost and time, it's best to separate the by-product into it's components first, which is hard (or impossible) once the methanol's been removed. After separation the methanol is left in the glycerine fraction and can be removed then. See: http://journeytoforever.org//biodiesel_glycsep.html Separating glycerine/FFAs Whether separated or not not, I'm not sure how much vacuum you'd need, but with heating alone the by-product or the separated glycerine would have to go to about 150 deg C to get most of the methanol back. We found it's not really economical to go much beyond about 105 deg C, which does get a lot back, but far from all of it. A better way is to use a thin-film evaporator, as Todd has recommended. I got the product of my first conversion this morning and it looks straw yellow but a bit cloudy, should I let it sit to clarify or should I wash it? Usually it's cloudy at first. It settles after a while. Ours is usually clear by the next day. will the cloudiness wash out? Yes. does that mean that my reaction is incomplete? Not necessarily. should I add more lye and methanol and reprocess? A better way of finding that out is this: Quality testing http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_vehicle.html#quality should I have titrated in the first place? Well, I'd say yes. I still think you're starting in the wrong place. Up to you, of course. Best wishes Keith John Guttridge ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] methanol recovery/first batch results
before each go of it. Once you have your catalyst amount determined re-do the titration to be sure you got it right the first time and use the Better Titration method. http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#bettertitrate I have found that a VERY good electronic PH meter and scale are invaluable. They help eliminate those two areas of potential variants. The other sore spot I found to be heat. The processing heat should be 55C (130F), and not considerably lower. A good thermometer helps. http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#lye All about lye and the next one too How much lye gives you the groundwork for either NaOH or KOH as a catalyst per volume of mathanol. I have not attempted the two stage method yet nor am I intending to until the one stage has become perfectly clear and I am getting consistant positive results. Everything in it's time. Luc - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 2:33 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] methanol recovery/first batch results John, I am a novice at this too so others should feel free to criticize my remarks. I would suggest you titrate. This is not so easy at this stage because any free fatty acids in your fuel as you went into the base process are now soap, that is they are neutralized with Na.To convert them back to free fatty acids, I have taken say 10 ml of the product, and mixed it with vinegar strong enough to drop the pH back down to say 3 or 4. This will strip off the sodium. Separate this 10 ml of oil from the vinegar. Now you can titrate as if it were any waste or new oil. I think you are correct in assuming that you should have titrated in the first place. If you find that the free fatty acid is above 1 g/l equivalent NaOH then you will need to be careful when washing not to add much water to the first few washes. Check out the University of Idaho process. They use 5.5% to start out with and mix it up before the glycerin phase is separated off. Then settle for as long as it takes to get clear. But that process assumes you have the correct amount of NaOH or KOH added to your mix in the first place. Since you did not titrate first, you may not have added enough NaOH to neutralize the FFA's as well as catalyze the reaction. So the reaction may not have gone to completion. If you think that that is a possibility, You could always separate the glycerin, titrate as above, add 1/4 the original methanol and enough NaOH to both neutralize as well as catalyze. Then re-react. This second product will probably not drop any glycerin unless there was a lot of unreacted oil. I would probably let this batch settle and make a new batch with proper titration. You will learn from the new batch how to deal with the old. John Guttridge [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] com cc: Sent by: Subject: [Biofuel] methanol recovery/first batch results biofuel-bounces@ wwia.org 10/21/2004 09:16 AM Please respond to biofuel what kind of a methanol recovery rate can I expect once I start doing that? I got the product of my first conversion this morning and it looks straw yellow but a bit cloudy, should I let it sit to clarify or should I wash it? will the cloudiness wash out? does that mean that my reaction is incomplete? should I add more lye and methanol and reprocess? should I have titrated in the first place? John Guttridge ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Gennies and off grid in Texas
of the unit be less than the prescribed space for that weight category the highest rate will apply. A truck's trailer can only handle so much weight and so it is configured so that either the weight or the space or both are calculated in the shipping rate. At 2,000 lbs it should not be much more than a single skid space, again depending on dimensions on the unit. If it goes over 48 by 48 then the rate would be higher. Check first with the carrier that will be handling it. Also if you have a block set up for removing car engines that would be more than enough to pick it up and lower it onto a platform on wheels of your making.Sometimes a wooden pallet with a piece of 1/2 plywood under it with casters will do. This pallet may already have the unit on it so all you would have to do is lift it and tap a few screws into the piece of plywood and lower it. This might be able to be done at the dock where the delivery will be (they usually have fork lifts there), then roll it onto the bed of the pick up or trailer and have ramps available to roll it off, with help obviously.2,000 lbs moves quickly on an angle, so be very careful. Luc - Original Message - From: Doug Younker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 4:36 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Gennies and off grid in Texas Hi, Kim; the task is not and doesn't have to be as, daunting as it sounds. A single axle trailer could be used to transport it from the dock to your home but, using a tandem axle trailer may feel more comfortable on the road, if you have drive a long distance or will encounter a lot of traffic. You would have to hire a forklift, or whatever, to load the unit on your vehicle at the dock. Back home you may have to hire help to unload and place the unit, most front end loaders can handle the task. Commercial freight charges are base on weight not unit volume so, I'm unsure if you could get a break but, I really don't know. Doug - Original Message - From: Kim Garth Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 7:25 AM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Gennies and off grid in Texas : Any one else in Texas looking to buy one? Perhaps we could buy enough of : them to get a break on the shipping. I did notice that the delivery is to : a local warehouse/delivery dock, so how do you get the darn thing installed : at home? 2000 pounds is a little heavy to move around. : : Bright Blessings, : Kim : : : At 12:54 PM 10/21/2004, you wrote: : Pocatello Idaho : : = = = Original message = = = : : Numbers and mileage may vary with your personal situation. : : Not the end all... : : Just an idea of what it might cost : : But thanks for the link to affordable Power : : I already emailed them about buying one. : : What city are they in? : : mel : : -Original Message- : From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 12:08 PM : To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Gennies and off grid in Texas : : : : : = = = Original message = = = : : OK let's do some math : : 3/4 gallon per hour : : Let's say you want to run it 10 hours per day. : : Assuming you don~t have all the free oil you can get, and you have to buy. : : SS I do, but ok, we will assume. : : A gallon of oil is around 2 to 3 per gallon in 5 gallon cans or 55 gallon : drums : : SS If you are buying, wouldn't you buy farm diesel at $1.50? : : So you are going to be using about 7 gallons per day or 50 gallons per week : : 50 x2 is 100 per week or 400 per month : : Not including maintenance or your time. : : That is one 55 gallon drum of oil a week. : : That's a LOT of free oil. Now you got to DRIVE AROUND and GET that oil. So : that costs. : : SS Yes, about 4 hours of my time on Saturdays. I guess that could cut : SS into one's golf time, or tv watching : : And I believe 2 dollars per gallon is pretty low and it is really closer : to 3 per gallon : : SS If I wasn't getting free veggie, I'd be getting farm diesel 2 miles : SS down the road for $1.50 in drums. : : Now your fuel costs have gone up to 600 per month. Not including driving, : tire wear, insurance on your vehicle etc. : : SS You made some bad assumptions. How has insurance been affected? : : SO while all things can be minimized you may be able to do it all on free oil? : : But given that most small rest. ONLy use about 5 to 10gallons of oil a : week, you are going to have to visit 5 to 10 different rest per month to : collect your fuel. : : SS Yes. : : As well you COULD burn farm diesel and that is what? 1.00 per gallon right : now? : : SS $1.50 : : That would be about 200 per month : : But let's assume you use half and half , you are looking about 300 per : month in fuel. : : SS Nope, $300 is way off. : : I used to be a guide at a lodge in the Yucatan where we ran diesel gennies : and had a 60 mile boat ride to bring in fuel. We used
[Biofuel] Natural Phenomena or Divine Manifestation?
http://www.liferesearchuniversal.com/question.html#mark Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Lost in Twitland
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 1:42 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Lost in Twitland In the words of Adolf Hitler, If you tell a big enough lie, people will believe it. It actually wasn't Hitler that said that, but it is attributed to hime because it appeared in Mein Kampf. I shall leave it at that otherwise it will unerve some for sure. Luc Some years back, the U.S, had laws against media concentration. These laws were rescinded; perhaps for a reason. I smell intent, and conspiracy. If the enemies of freedom and the constitutional republic can think and plan that far ahead, their friends should take heed and do as much. Doug Woodard St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada On Sat, 23 Oct 2004, Keith Addison wrote: http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/20263 [snip] From the archives: Results of previous PIPA/Knowledge Networks poll: - A 57% majority believed Iraq was either directly involved in carrying out the 9/11 attacks or had provided substantial support to al-Qaeda - 82% either said that experts mostly agree Iraq was providing substantial support to al Qaeda or experts are evenly divided on the question - 45% believe that evidence that Iraq was supporting al Qaeda has been found - 60% believe that just before the war Iraq either had weapons of mass destruction or a major program for developing them - 65% said most experts say Iraq did have them or that experts are divided on the question - estimates of the number of US troop fatalities in Iraq varied widely - 59% were unaware that the majority of world public opinion is opposed to the US war with Iraq - asked how many nuclear weapons the U.S. has, the median estimate was 200 (the actual number is 6,000) These beliefs are closely correlated with intentions to vote for Bush. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
