Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

> On 14 Dec 2018, at 20:50, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Friday, December 14, 2018 at 11:27:05 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 13 Dec 2018, at 21:27, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, December 13, 2018 at 6:49:34 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On Friday, December 14, 2018 at 8:43:32 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > > On 12/11/2018 12:04 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 1:53:50 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com > wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 7:30:32 PM UTC, Philip Thrift wrote: >>> >>>

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On 12/11/2018 12:04 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 1:53:50 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 7:30:32 PM UTC, Philip Thrift wrote: On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 1:02:52 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On Friday, December 14, 2018 at 11:27:05 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 13 Dec 2018, at 21:27, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Thursday, December 13, 2018 at 6:49:34 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 13 Dec 2018, at 18:05, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday,

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

> On 13 Dec 2018, at 21:33, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Thursday, December 13, 2018 at 1:12:35 PM UTC-6, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > On Thursday, December 13, 2018 at 10:27:29 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 13 Dec 2018, at 15:12, Philip Thrift > wrote: >> >> >> >> On

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

> On 13 Dec 2018, at 21:27, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Thursday, December 13, 2018 at 6:49:34 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 13 Dec 2018, at 18:05, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, December 13, 2018 at 11:34:48 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

> On 13 Dec 2018, at 20:12, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Thursday, December 13, 2018 at 10:27:29 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 13 Dec 2018, at 15:12, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, December 13, 2018 at 5:34:48 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 12

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On Thursday, December 13, 2018 at 1:12:35 PM UTC-6, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Thursday, December 13, 2018 at 10:27:29 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 13 Dec 2018, at 15:12, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, December 13, 2018 at 5:34:48 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote:

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On Thursday, December 13, 2018 at 6:49:34 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 13 Dec 2018, at 18:05, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Thursday, December 13, 2018 at 11:34:48 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 12 Dec 2018, at 19:38, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On Thursday, December 13, 2018 at 10:27:29 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 13 Dec 2018, at 15:12, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Thursday, December 13, 2018 at 5:34:48 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 12 Dec 2018, at 19:38, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

> On 13 Dec 2018, at 18:05, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Thursday, December 13, 2018 at 11:34:48 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 12 Dec 2018, at 19:38, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 3:51:04 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>>

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On Thursday, December 13, 2018 at 11:34:48 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 12 Dec 2018, at 19:38, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 3:51:04 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 11 Dec 2018, at 19:32, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> SNIP >> >>>

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

> On 13 Dec 2018, at 15:12, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Thursday, December 13, 2018 at 5:34:48 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 12 Dec 2018, at 19:38, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 3:51:04 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 11

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On Thursday, December 13, 2018 at 6:43:24 AM UTC, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 5:55:13 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com > wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 11:41:13 PM UTC, Philip Thrift wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, December 12, 2018

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On Thursday, December 13, 2018 at 5:34:48 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 12 Dec 2018, at 19:38, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 3:51:04 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 11 Dec 2018, at 19:32, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> SNIP >> >>>

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

> On 12 Dec 2018, at 22:30, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 6:57:33 PM UTC, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 10:07:13 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 11 Dec 2018, at 20:53, agrays...@gmail.com <> wrote: >> >> >>

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

> On 12 Dec 2018, at 19:26, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 4:07:13 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 11 Dec 2018, at 20:53, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 7:30:32 PM UTC, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >>

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

> On 12 Dec 2018, at 19:38, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 3:51:04 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 11 Dec 2018, at 19:32, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> SNIP >> >> >>> No testable hypotheses; conclusios not based on empirical data. AG.

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 5:55:13 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 11:41:13 PM UTC, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 5:21:15 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, December

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 11:41:13 PM UTC, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 5:21:15 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com > wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 11:13:10 PM UTC, Philip Thrift wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, December 12, 2018

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 5:21:15 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 11:13:10 PM UTC, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 3:30:46 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, December

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 11:13:10 PM UTC, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 3:30:46 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com > wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 6:57:33 PM UTC, Philip Thrift wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, December 12, 2018

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 3:30:46 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 6:57:33 PM UTC, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 10:07:13 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 11 Dec 2018, at 20:53,

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 6:57:33 PM UTC, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 10:07:13 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 11 Dec 2018, at 20:53, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 7:30:32 PM UTC, Philip Thrift

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 10:07:13 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 11 Dec 2018, at 20:53, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 7:30:32 PM UTC, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 1:02:52 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 3:51:04 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 11 Dec 2018, at 19:32, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 10:12:54 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 9 Dec 2018, at 18:01, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Friday,

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 4:07:13 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 11 Dec 2018, at 20:53, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 7:30:32 PM UTC, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 1:02:52 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com >>

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

> On 12 Dec 2018, at 15:08, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 6:32:51 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 10:12:54 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 9 Dec 2018, at 18:01, agrays...@gmail.com <> wrote: >> >> >>

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

> On 11 Dec 2018, at 20:53, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 7:30:32 PM UTC, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 1:02:52 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com <> > wrote: > > > On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 6:44:34 PM UTC, Philip

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

> On 11 Dec 2018, at 19:32, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 10:12:54 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 9 Dec 2018, at 18:01, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Friday, December 7, 2018 at 10:27:37 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 6

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 6:32:51 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 10:12:54 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 9 Dec 2018, at 18:01, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Friday, December 7, 2018 at 10:27:37 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 5:20:22 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 8:04:11 PM UTC, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 1:53:50 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, December 11, 2018

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 8:04:11 PM UTC, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 1:53:50 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com > wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 7:30:32 PM UTC, Philip Thrift wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 1:53:50 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 7:30:32 PM UTC, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 1:02:52 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, December 11, 2018

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 7:30:32 PM UTC, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 1:02:52 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com > wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 6:44:34 PM UTC, Philip Thrift wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 1:02:52 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 6:44:34 PM UTC, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 12:32:51 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com >> wrote: >>> >>> * As for physicists being

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 6:44:34 PM UTC, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 12:32:51 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com > wrote: >> >> * As for physicists being materialists in the sense of believing there is >> nothing underlying matter as its cause, I have never

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 12:32:51 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > * As for physicists being materialists in the sense of believing there is > nothing underlying matter as its cause, I have never heard that position > articulated by any physicist, in person or on the Internet.

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 10:12:54 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 9 Dec 2018, at 18:01, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Friday, December 7, 2018 at 10:27:37 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 6 Dec 2018, at 14:20, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday,

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On 12/11/2018 2:12 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: When we say that God cannot be omniscient (for pure logical reason), the atheists replies by saying that we cannot change the definition. They would have said that Earth does not exist when it was discovered that it is round! Of course, in science

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

> On 9 Dec 2018, at 18:01, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Friday, December 7, 2018 at 10:27:37 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 6 Dec 2018, at 14:20, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, December 6, 2018 at 11:21:38 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 5

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On Friday, December 7, 2018 at 10:27:37 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 6 Dec 2018, at 14:20, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Thursday, December 6, 2018 at 11:21:38 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 5 Dec 2018, at 17:19, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday,

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

> On 6 Dec 2018, at 14:20, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Thursday, December 6, 2018 at 11:21:38 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 5 Dec 2018, at 17:19, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, December 3, 2018 at 3:37:13 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 2 Dec

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On Thursday, December 6, 2018 at 12:11:31 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Thursday, December 6, 2018 at 5:58:21 PM UTC, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, December 6, 2018 at 7:20:18 AM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thursday, December 6,

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On Thursday, December 6, 2018 at 5:58:21 PM UTC, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Thursday, December 6, 2018 at 7:20:18 AM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com > wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, December 6, 2018 at 11:21:38 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 5 Dec 2018, at 17:19,

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On Thursday, December 6, 2018 at 7:20:18 AM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Thursday, December 6, 2018 at 11:21:38 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 5 Dec 2018, at 17:19, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, December 3, 2018 at 3:37:13 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On Thursday, December 6, 2018 at 11:21:38 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 5 Dec 2018, at 17:19, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Monday, December 3, 2018 at 3:37:13 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 2 Dec 2018, at 21:25, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sunday, December 2,

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

> On 5 Dec 2018, at 17:19, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Monday, December 3, 2018 at 3:37:13 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 2 Dec 2018, at 21:25, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sunday, December 2, 2018 at 2:02:43 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >> >> >> On 12/2/2018

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

> On 5 Dec 2018, at 17:05, Mark Buda wrote: > > Philip Thrift writes: > >> On Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 4:50:22 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >> >> On 12/4/2018 11:50 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> On Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 1:46:44 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >> >> On 12/4/2018 12:06 AM,

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On Wednesday, December 5, 2018 at 10:05:44 AM UTC-6, Mark Buda wrote: > > Philip Thrift > writes: > > > On Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 4:50:22 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > > On 12/4/2018 11:50 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 1:46:44 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote:

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On Wednesday, December 5, 2018 at 4:19:12 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Monday, December 3, 2018 at 3:37:13 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 2 Dec 2018, at 21:25, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sunday, December 2, 2018 at 2:02:43 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >>> >>> >>>

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On Monday, December 3, 2018 at 3:37:13 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 2 Dec 2018, at 21:25, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Sunday, December 2, 2018 at 2:02:43 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 12/2/2018 4:58 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 30 Nov 2018, at 19:22, Brent

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

Philip Thrift writes: > On Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 4:50:22 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > On 12/4/2018 11:50 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > On Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 1:46:44 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > On 12/4/2018 12:06 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > Can you give an example of "truth in

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 10:40:36 PM UTC-6, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > > On Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 4:50:22 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 12/4/2018 11:50 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 1:46:44 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 4:50:22 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > > On 12/4/2018 11:50 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 1:46:44 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 12/4/2018 12:06 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> Can you give an example of "truth in the

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On 12/4/2018 11:50 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: On Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 1:46:44 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: On 12/4/2018 12:06 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: Can you give an example of "truth in the programming" and how it differs from the mathematical idea of true and the

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 1:46:44 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > > On 12/4/2018 12:06 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > Can you give an example of "truth in the programming" and how it differs >> from the mathematical idea of true and the correspondence theory of truth? >> >> Brent >> > > > >

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On 12/4/2018 12:06 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: Can you give an example of "truth in the programming" and how it differs from the mathematical idea of true and the correspondence theory of truth? Brent Truth in programming follows the Brouwerian concept of truth: [ 

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

> On 4 Dec 2018, at 09:06, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Monday, December 3, 2018 at 7:46:22 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > On 12/3/2018 9:59 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> But that is close to the solipsist move. The fact that we cannot define >> truth does not entail that some notion of

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

> On 4 Dec 2018, at 03:30, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 12/3/2018 7:31 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> On 2 Dec 2018, at 21:06, Brent Meeker wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 12/2/2018 4:52 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Language have no relation with truth a priori. Theories might have.

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

> On 4 Dec 2018, at 02:46, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 12/3/2018 9:59 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> But that is close to the solipsist move. The fact that we cannot define >> truth does not entail that some notion of truth does not make sense. In >> particular, Peano arithmetic can already

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On Monday, December 3, 2018 at 7:46:22 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > > On 12/3/2018 9:59 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > But that is close to the solipsist move. The fact that we cannot define >> truth does not entail that some notion of truth does not make sense. In >> particular, Peano

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On 12/3/2018 7:31 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 2 Dec 2018, at 21:06, Brent Meeker wrote: On 12/2/2018 4:52 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Language have no relation with truth a priori. Theories might have. Semantics are truth “by definition”, by relativising it to the notion of model/reality.

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On 12/3/2018 9:59 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: But that is close to the solipsist move. The fact that we cannot define truth does not entail that some notion of truth does not make sense. In particular, Peano arithmetic can already define an infinity of approximation of truth,

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On Monday, December 3, 2018 at 11:59:21 AM UTC-6, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Monday, December 3, 2018 at 9:12:54 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 2 Dec 2018, at 14:45, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sunday, December 2, 2018 at 6:52:38 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> >>>

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On Monday, December 3, 2018 at 9:12:54 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 2 Dec 2018, at 14:45, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Sunday, December 2, 2018 at 6:52:38 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 30 Nov 2018, at 17:44, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Friday, November

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

> On 2 Dec 2018, at 21:41, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Sunday, December 2, 2018 at 8:25:47 PM UTC, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > On Sunday, December 2, 2018 at 2:02:43 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > On 12/2/2018 4:58 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 30 Nov 2018, at 19:22, Brent

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

> On 2 Dec 2018, at 21:25, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Sunday, December 2, 2018 at 2:02:43 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > On 12/2/2018 4:58 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 30 Nov 2018, at 19:22, Brent Meeker > >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 11/30/2018 1:15 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

> On 2 Dec 2018, at 21:06, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 12/2/2018 4:52 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> Language have no relation with truth a priori. Theories might have. >> Semantics are truth “by definition”, by relativising it to the notion of >> model/reality. >> > > Then what is

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

> On 2 Dec 2018, at 21:02, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 12/2/2018 4:58 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 30 Nov 2018, at 19:22, Brent Meeker >> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 11/30/2018 1:15 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> Perspectivism is a form of

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

> On 2 Dec 2018, at 14:45, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Sunday, December 2, 2018 at 6:52:38 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 30 Nov 2018, at 17:44, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Friday, November 30, 2018 at 6:39:19 AM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com >>

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On Sunday, December 2, 2018 at 8:25:47 PM UTC, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Sunday, December 2, 2018 at 2:02:43 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 12/2/2018 4:58 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 30 Nov 2018, at 19:22, Brent Meeker wrote: >> >> >> >> On 11/30/2018 1:15 AM, Bruno

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On Sunday, December 2, 2018 at 2:02:43 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > > On 12/2/2018 4:58 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 30 Nov 2018, at 19:22, Brent Meeker > > wrote: > > > > On 11/30/2018 1:15 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > Perspectivism is a form of modalism. > > > Nietzsche is vindicated.

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On 12/2/2018 4:52 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Language have no relation with truth a priori. Theories might have. Semantics are truth “by definition”, by relativising it to the notion of model/reality. Then what is this "true" and "false" which you attribute to the propositions of modal

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On 12/2/2018 4:58 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 30 Nov 2018, at 19:22, Brent Meeker > wrote: On 11/30/2018 1:15 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Perspectivism is a form of modalism. Nietzsche is vindicated. Interesting. If you elaborate, you might change my mind

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On Sunday, December 2, 2018 at 6:52:38 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 30 Nov 2018, at 17:44, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Friday, November 30, 2018 at 6:39:19 AM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com > wrote: >> >> >> >> On Friday, November 30, 2018 at 9:13:29 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

> On 30 Nov 2018, at 19:22, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 11/30/2018 1:15 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Perspectivism is a form of modalism. >>> >>> Nietzsche is vindicated. >> >> Interesting. If you elaborate, you might change my mind on Nietzche, perhaps! >> All what I say is very

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

> On 30 Nov 2018, at 17:44, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Friday, November 30, 2018 at 6:39:19 AM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > On Friday, November 30, 2018 at 9:13:29 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> >> This may be a simplistic pov, but since there was IMO no Original Sin,

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> On 30 Nov 2018, at 13:39, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Friday, November 30, 2018 at 9:13:29 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 29 Nov 2018, at 21:27, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, November 29, 2018 at 7:38:26 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 28

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On 11/30/2018 1:15 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Perspectivism is a form of modalism. Nietzsche is vindicated. Interesting. If you elaborate, you might change my mind on Nietzche, perhaps! All what I say is very close the Neoplatonism and Negative Theology (capable only of saying what God is

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On Friday, November 30, 2018 at 6:39:19 AM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Friday, November 30, 2018 at 9:13:29 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> >> *This may be a simplistic pov, but since there was IMO no Original Sin, >> there was no need for a Sacrifice for its forgiveness.

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On Friday, November 30, 2018 at 9:13:29 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 29 Nov 2018, at 21:27, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Thursday, November 29, 2018 at 7:38:26 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 28 Nov 2018, at 16:03, Lawrence Crowell >> wrote: >> >> On Friday,

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> On 30 Nov 2018, at 08:22, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 11/29/2018 11:08 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 28 Nov 2018, at 18:40, Philip Thrift >> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, November 28, 2018 at 9:03:42 AM UTC-6, Lawrence Crowell wrote: >>> On

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> On 29 Nov 2018, at 21:27, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Thursday, November 29, 2018 at 7:38:26 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 28 Nov 2018, at 16:03, Lawrence Crowell > > wrote: >> >> On Friday, November 9, 2018 at 6:51:06 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: >> From: Brent Meeker > >>>

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On 11/29/2018 11:08 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 28 Nov 2018, at 18:40, Philip Thrift > wrote: On Wednesday, November 28, 2018 at 9:03:42 AM UTC-6, Lawrence Crowell wrote: On Friday, November 9, 2018 at 6:51:06 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: From:

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

> On 28 Nov 2018, at 18:40, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, November 28, 2018 at 9:03:42 AM UTC-6, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > On Friday, November 9, 2018 at 6:51:06 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: > From: Brent Meeker > >> >> You're dodging my point. The "issue" of how we have subjective

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On Thursday, November 29, 2018 at 7:38:26 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 28 Nov 2018, at 16:03, Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > > On Friday, November 9, 2018 at 6:51:06 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: >> >> From: Brent Meeker >> >> >> You're dodging my point. The "issue" of how we have subjective

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> On 28 Nov 2018, at 16:03, Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > > On Friday, November 9, 2018 at 6:51:06 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: > From: Brent Meeker > >> >> You're dodging my point. The "issue" of how we have subjective experience >> only seems to be an issue because in comparison to the

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On 11/28/2018 9:40 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: On Wednesday, November 28, 2018 at 9:03:42 AM UTC-6, Lawrence Crowell wrote: On Friday, November 9, 2018 at 6:51:06 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: From: *Brent Meeker* You're dodging my point.  The "issue" of how we have

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On Wednesday, November 28, 2018 at 9:03:42 AM UTC-6, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > On Friday, November 9, 2018 at 6:51:06 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: >> >> From: Brent Meeker >> >> >> You're dodging my point. The "issue" of how we have subjective >> experience only seems to be an issue because in

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On Friday, November 9, 2018 at 6:51:06 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: > > From: Brent Meeker > > > > You're dodging my point. The "issue" of how we have subjective experience > only seems to be an issue because in comparison to the "objective" > experience of matter where we can trace long,

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On Saturday, November 10, 2018 at 1:11:01 AM UTC, Brent wrote: > > > > On 11/9/2018 4:51 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > From: Brent Meeker > > > > You're dodging my point. The "issue" of how we have subjective experience > only seems to be an issue because in comparison to the "objective" >

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> On 10 Nov 2018, at 02:10, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 11/9/2018 4:51 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: >> From: Brent Meeker mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> >>> >>> You're dodging my point. The "issue" of how we have subjective experience >>> only seems to be an issue because in comparison to

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On 11/9/2018 4:51 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: From: *Brent Meeker* mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> You're dodging my point.  The "issue" of how we have subjective experience only seems to be an issue because in comparison to the "objective" experience of matter where we can trace long,

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From: *Brent Meeker* mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> You're dodging my point.  The "issue" of how we have subjective experience only seems to be an issue because in comparison to the "objective" experience of matter where we can trace long, mathematically define causal chains down to...a