Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On 13 November 2013 17:20, meekerdb wrote: > On 11/12/2013 8:08 PM, LizR wrote: > > On 13 November 2013 17:03, meekerdb wrote: > >> On 11/12/2013 7:28 PM, LizR wrote: >> >> On 13 November 2013 16:19, Richard Ruquist wrote: >> >>> Simple. Shooting yourself with a gun or whatever means you use

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On 11/12/2013 9:38 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 8:12 PM, meekerdb > wrote: On 11/12/2013 5:27 PM, Jason Resch wrote: There is a continuation from being anesthetized to waking up from anesthesia. Did you leave out a "no"?

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 9:19 PM, Richard Ruquist wrote: > Simple. Shooting yourself with a gun or whatever means you use to end your > life in one universe does not guarranttee that you do not grow in all other > universes. Unless the laws of physics differ across the multiverse, which I > unders

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 8:12 PM, meekerdb wrote: > On 11/12/2013 5:27 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > >> There is a continuation from being anesthetized to waking up from >> anesthesia. >> > > Did you leave out a "no"? It was intentional, I meant there is a continuation, as in subjectively one moment

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On 11/12/2013 8:08 PM, LizR wrote: On 13 November 2013 17:03, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 11/12/2013 7:28 PM, LizR wrote: On 13 November 2013 16:19, Richard Ruquist mailto:yann...@gmail.com>> wrote: Simple. Shooting yourself with a gun or whatever means yo

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On 13 November 2013 17:03, meekerdb wrote: > On 11/12/2013 7:28 PM, LizR wrote: > > On 13 November 2013 16:19, Richard Ruquist wrote: > >> Simple. Shooting yourself with a gun or whatever means you use to end >> your life in one universe does not guarranttee that you do not grow in all >> other

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On 13 November 2013 16:51, Richard Ruquist wrote: > My email service does not allow me to interleave comments. > Well in that case maybe you could cut and paste the relevant quote. There was an awful lot of text after your comment, I still have no idea what you were replying to. > > Regarding y

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On 11/12/2013 7:28 PM, LizR wrote: On 13 November 2013 16:19, Richard Ruquist > wrote: Simple. Shooting yourself with a gun or whatever means you use to end your life in one universe does not guarranttee that you do not grow in all other universes. Unless

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

My email service does not allow me to interleave comments. Regarding your reply, the laws of biophysics does MANDATE growing old and dying. I think the more advanced understanding of the multiverse is that incredibly unlikely things do not happen. As I recall the argument was based on decoherence

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

As I see it, the problem is connecting atmospheric disaster events to global warming. I have been looking for such a connection in the scientific literature and even in AGW blogs w/o success. Before going into physics I was an undergraduate student of mechanical engineering. In our fluid dynamic c

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On 13 November 2013 16:19, Richard Ruquist wrote: > Simple. Shooting yourself with a gun or whatever means you use to end your > life in one universe does not guarranttee that you do not grow in all other > universes. Unless the laws of physics differ across the multiverse, which I > understand t

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

On 12 November 2013 22:56, Alberto G. Corona wrote: > >> This is laughable. Not a SINGLE article against human warming was > publised in the main scientific magazines and you said that the process was > perverted by the "deniers"? I have no option but to think that you believe > en evil deamons

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On 13 November 2013 14:09, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 4:12 PM, Richard Ruquist wrote: > >> Every one of the perhaps inifinite copies of you will grow old and die in >> less than 150 years. >> There is no quantum immortality >> >> I guess that settles it. > > Phew, glad we

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

Simple. Shooting yourself with a gun or whatever means you use to end your life in one universe does not guarranttee that you do not grow in all other universes. Unless the laws of physics differ across the multiverse, which I understand to be incorrect, your copies will grow old and die in every u

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On 11/12/2013 5:27 PM, Jason Resch wrote: There is a continuation from being anesthetized to waking up from anesthesia. Did you leave out a "no"? There is a continuation, but not of consciousness. Would you say the same true for an amnesiac being anesthetized? I think so. An "amnesiac" is

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 7:20 PM, meekerdb wrote: > On 11/12/2013 5:14 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 5:57 PM, LizR wrote: > >> On 13 November 2013 11:12, Richard Ruquist wrote: >> >>> Every one of the perhaps inifinite copies of you will grow old and die >>> in less than 1

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 7:18 PM, meekerdb wrote: > On 11/12/2013 4:59 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > > On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 11:45 AM, meekerdb wrote: > >> On 11/12/2013 2:55 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> >>> On 12 Nov 2013, at 04:44, meekerdb wrote: >>> >>> >>> Experience may be like tha

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On 11/12/2013 5:14 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 5:57 PM, LizR mailto:lizj...@gmail.com>> wrote: On 13 November 2013 11:12, Richard Ruquist mailto:yann...@gmail.com>> wrote: Every one of the perhaps inifinite copies of you will grow old and die in less than

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On 11/12/2013 4:59 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 11:45 AM, meekerdb > wrote: On 11/12/2013 2:55 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 12 Nov 2013, at 04:44, meekerdb wrote: Experience may be like that; everything has 'experienc

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 5:57 PM, LizR wrote: > On 13 November 2013 11:12, Richard Ruquist wrote: > >> Every one of the perhaps inifinite copies of you will grow old and die in >> less than 150 years. >> There is no quantum immortality >> > > A pretty bold statement. I don't see that the laws of

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On 11/12/2013 4:13 PM, LizR wrote: On 13 November 2013 11:22, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 11/12/2013 1:57 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: So *you* Quentin Anciaux (incidentally, how do pronounce that?) don't necessarily continue. It is just that there is a

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 4:12 PM, Richard Ruquist wrote: > Every one of the perhaps inifinite copies of you will grow old and die in > less than 150 years. > There is no quantum immortality > > I guess that settles it. Jason -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013/11/13 LizR > On 13 November 2013 10:55, wrote: > >> if you want us to give up the bad, dirty, power, then please provide a >> clean, affordable, abundant substitute. Faster, please. >> > > The Sun, of course. Produces millions of times more power than we need. > > Trouble is the fossil fue

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 11:45 AM, meekerdb wrote: > On 11/12/2013 2:55 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> >> On 12 Nov 2013, at 04:44, meekerdb wrote: >> >> >> Experience may be like that; everything has 'experience', it's just not >>> human experience and when you stop having human experience you'r

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

On 11/12/2013 3:49 PM, LizR wrote: On 13 November 2013 10:55, mailto:spudboy...@aol.com>> wrote: if you want us to give up the bad, dirty, power, then please provide a clean, affordable, abundant substitute. Faster, please. The Sun, of course. Produces millions of times more power th

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 11:15 AM, meekerdb wrote: > On 11/12/2013 2:37 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > Both with Comp and with Everett-QM we have lost that unique theoretical > evidence, because our best current explanation (comp, or QM) makes that > mind-brain identity non sensical. > > > I don't

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On 13 November 2013 11:22, meekerdb wrote: > On 11/12/2013 1:57 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > So *you* Quentin Anciaux (incidentally, how do pronounce that?) don't >> necessarily continue. It is just that there is a continuation of 1p POVs. >> So we're down to the question of what constitutes

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On 13 November 2013 11:16, John Mikes wrote: > Liz wrote: (and I try to interject my remarks in plain lettering) > > *"Sequence is determinative because that's how the universe works. * > I would say: "how WE explain the workings of the universe" (- rather > Multiverse). > > Yes of course but so

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

Le 12 nov. 2013 22:53, "meekerdb" a écrit : > > On 11/12/2013 1:37 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >> >> >> >> >> 2013/11/12 meekerdb >>> >>> On 11/12/2013 1:02 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2013/11/12 meekerdb > > On 11/12/2013 12:45 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >> >>

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On 13 November 2013 11:12, Richard Ruquist wrote: > Every one of the perhaps inifinite copies of you will grow old and die in > less than 150 years. > There is no quantum immortality > A pretty bold statement. I don't see that the laws of physics require this - there must be a small chance of li

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On 13 November 2013 10:30, meekerdb wrote: > But that's part of what bothers me about this idea. How > crippled/brain-damaged can you be and still count as a continuation? Are > there degrees of continuation? If so, why can't the degrees asymptote to > zero? > That bothers me too. It hinges

Re: How the people of Iceland solved their debt crisis:

Sounds like a good start. Throw them in jail and confiscate their assets. "Free the 32 trillion!" On 13 November 2013 11:04, Richard Ruquist wrote: > Good move. But they are still in debt > > > On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 4:55 PM, Roger Clough wrote: > >> How the people of Iceland solved their de

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

On 13 November 2013 10:55, wrote: > if you want us to give up the bad, dirty, power, then please provide a > clean, affordable, abundant substitute. Faster, please. > The Sun, of course. Produces millions of times more power than we need. Trouble is the fossil fuel industry doesn't want us to u

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

2013/11/12 Richard Ruquist > Every one of the perhaps inifinite copies of you will grow old and die in > less than 150 years. > There is no quantum immortality > > Well it's cool asserting things... but you should develop more, all I'm saying is that if MWI is true, the argument follows. It's cle

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

2013/11/13 Quentin Anciaux > > > > 2013/11/12 meekerdb > >> On 11/12/2013 1:57 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >> >> So *you* Quentin Anciaux (incidentally, how do pronounce that?) don't >>> necessarily continue. It is just that there is a continuation of 1p POVs. >>> So we're down to the question

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

2013/11/12 meekerdb > On 11/12/2013 1:57 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > So *you* Quentin Anciaux (incidentally, how do pronounce that?) don't >> necessarily continue. It is just that there is a continuation of 1p POVs. >> So we're down to the question of what constitutes a 1p POV. >> > > I kn

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On 11/12/2013 1:57 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: So *you* Quentin Anciaux (incidentally, how do pronounce that?) don't necessarily continue. It is just that there is a continuation of 1p POVs. So we're down to the question of what constitutes a 1p POV. I know what is my own, don't

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

Liz wrote: (and I try to interject my remarks in plain lettering) *"Sequence is determinative because that's how the universe works. * I would say: "how WE explain the workings of the universe" (- rather Multiverse). * Tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow, creeps in this petty pace from day to da

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

Every one of the perhaps inifinite copies of you will grow old and die in less than 150 years. There is no quantum immortality On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 4:57 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > 2013/11/12 meekerdb > >> On 11/12/2013 1:37 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >> >> >> >> >> 2013/11/12 meeke

Re: How the people of Iceland solved their debt crisis:

Good move. But they are still in debt On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 4:55 PM, Roger Clough wrote: > How the people of Iceland solved their debt crisis: > They said, wait a minute. We didn't cause this problem. > The govt and the bankers caused ity. > So they threw the bankers and other causers of the

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

2013/11/12 meekerdb > On 11/12/2013 1:37 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > > 2013/11/12 meekerdb > >> On 11/12/2013 1:02 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >> >> >> >> >> 2013/11/12 meekerdb >> >>> On 11/12/2013 12:45 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> 2013/11/12 meekerdb >>> On

How the people of Iceland solved their debt crisis:

How the people of Iceland solved their debt crisis: They said, wait a minute. We didn't cause this problem. The govt and the bankers caused ity. So they threw the bankers and other causers of the debt into jail. Hmmm. Sounds tempting. - Roger Clough http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-BJgwWx57U#

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

Probably both, if my reading of history books about this time. Which I am using as a reminder that we need to be cautious about how to react to this, AGW might be completely true, but I am worried that world socialists, and a cadre of billionaire supporters want this for other reasons then to s

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On 11/12/2013 1:37 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2013/11/12 meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> On 11/12/2013 1:02 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2013/11/12 meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> On 11/12/2013 12:45 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2013/11/12 meekerdb m

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

Indeed. I look at things a bit different, perhaps. then yourself. I see it, us, as being set against obliteration versus existence. Mitch -Original Message- From: Alberto G. Corona To: everything-list Sent: Tue, Nov 12, 2013 3:12 pm Subject: Re: Our Demon-Haunted World Thus said,

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

On 11/12/2013 1:36 PM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: Brent, try cruising Wikipedia. I don't know of any biologist or physician, that didn't approve of this nonsense. I am not aware of anyone speaking out authoritatively, as a scientist that opposed eugenics. Maybe you can, but I don't recall anyone

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

2013/11/12 meekerdb > On 11/12/2013 1:02 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > > 2013/11/12 meekerdb > >> On 11/12/2013 12:45 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >> >> >> >> >> 2013/11/12 meekerdb >> >>> On 11/12/2013 12:23 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >>> >>> This is ASSA, and I find that absurd, there i

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

Brent, try cruising Wikipedia. I don't know of any biologist or physician, that didn't approve of this nonsense. I am not aware of anyone speaking out authoritatively, as a scientist that opposed eugenics. Maybe you can, but I don't recall anyone on the hero side. Whether is was pro-birth cont

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On 11/12/2013 1:02 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2013/11/12 meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> On 11/12/2013 12:45 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2013/11/12 meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> On 11/12/2013 12:23 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: This is ASSA, and I fin

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

> As human beings they were reluctant to provide hard earned data to those > who had proved to mere critics - like you - with no interest but to spread > doubt. > > Can ever have been a more clear confession of sectarianism ? Doubt about what? about what yours affirm that is truth and must be taken

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

2013/11/12 meekerdb > On 11/12/2013 12:45 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > > 2013/11/12 meekerdb > >> On 11/12/2013 12:23 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >> >> This is ASSA, and I find that absurd, there is no absolute probability of >> being alive, probability is only meaningful between two mome

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

On 13 November 2013 06:40, meekerdb wrote: > I knew you didn't live on this planet or care for it's future. > > Quite clearly - "I have my own dirt to attend to" ignores the existence of the commons we all share in. If Alberto wants to move to Mars then fine, he is no longer invested in the Earth

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On 11/12/2013 12:45 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2013/11/12 meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> On 11/12/2013 12:23 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: This is ASSA, and I find that absurd, there is no absolute probability of being alive, probability is only meaningful between two momen

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

On 13 November 2013 05:19, Alberto G. Corona wrote: > > And the fact is that there are plenty of energy and materials everywhere. > The only lacking resource is the inteligence and ingenuity of more people > to learn to use them. > That at least you have got right. -- You received this messag

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

2013/11/12 meekerdb > On 11/12/2013 12:23 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > This is ASSA, and I find that absurd, there is no absolute probability of > being alive, probability is only meaningful between two moments... > > > But there's a probability of being alive at time t in the future, > Also

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

On 11/12/2013 12:30 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: So you say that because the data was finally available against their will, they are good scientists that welcome the challenges and the scientific method? They were not compelled, they agreed to provide the data after discussing whether there wa

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

2013/11/12 meekerdb > On 11/12/2013 12:23 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > This is ASSA, and I find that absurd, there is no absolute probability of > being alive, probability is only meaningful between two moments... > > > But there's a probability of being alive at time t in the future, > This

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On 11/12/2013 12:23 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: This is ASSA, and I find that absurd, there is no absolute probability of being alive, probability is only meaningful between two moments... But there's a probability of being alive at time t in the future, and that can become arbitrarily small, a

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

So you say that because the data was finally available against their will, they are good scientists that welcome the challenges and the scientific method? : Their practices tell absolutely the contrary. And the fact that their data leaked out is not in their merit, in the contrary. All what you men

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

2013/11/12 meekerdb > On 11/12/2013 11:30 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > > 2013/11/12 meekerdb > >> On 11/12/2013 11:15 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >> >> >> >> >> 2013/11/12 meekerdb >> >>> On 11/12/2013 10:24 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> 2013/11/12 meekerdb >>> O

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

Thus said, because there are eternal laws, there are eternal truths. For the materialists, Konrad Lorenz said something extraordinarily profound that connect two universes of knowledge: The Kantian apriori of knowledge have been inserted in our brain/mind/soul by evolution in the form of intuitions

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

On 11/12/2013 11:53 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: You said it: the calentological comunity, acting as a single entity, denied their data. to scientists with different points of view. But they didn't. They only discussed it and noted that some of the data didn't belong to them but had been shar

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On 11/12/2013 11:30 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2013/11/12 meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> On 11/12/2013 11:15 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2013/11/12 meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> On 11/12/2013 10:24 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2013/11/12 meekerdb

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

You said it: the calentological comunity, acting as a single entity, denied their data. to scientists with different points of view. That is not science. that is a sectarian organization that, because are working with public funding are breaking not only the law and the decency, but the last bit of

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

2013/11/12 meekerdb > On 11/12/2013 11:15 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > > 2013/11/12 meekerdb > >> On 11/12/2013 10:24 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >> >> >> >> >> 2013/11/12 meekerdb >> >>> On 11/12/2013 7:19 AM, Jason Resch wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 7:14 PM, meek

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On 11/12/2013 11:15 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2013/11/12 meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> On 11/12/2013 10:24 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2013/11/12 meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> On 11/12/2013 7:19 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

2013/11/12 meekerdb > On 11/12/2013 10:24 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > > 2013/11/12 meekerdb > >> On 11/12/2013 7:19 AM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 7:14 PM, meekerdb wrote: >> >>> >>> Benjamin Button lived his life in reverse. >>> >>> So I'll ask you the

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On 11/12/2013 10:24 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2013/11/12 meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> On 11/12/2013 7:19 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 7:14 PM, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: Benjamin Button lived his life in reverse. S

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

2013/11/12 meekerdb > On 11/12/2013 7:19 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > > On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 7:14 PM, meekerdb wrote: > >> >> Benjamin Button lived his life in reverse. >> >> So I'll ask you the same thing I asked Quentin, what's you inference from >> the fact you, and every body you've e

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On 11/12/2013 7:19 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 7:14 PM, meekerdb > wrote: Benjamin Button lived his life in reverse. So I'll ask you the same thing I asked Quentin, what's you inference from the fact you, and every body you've ev

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

On 11/12/2013 4:14 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 12 Nov 2013, at 11:54, Alberto G. Corona wrote: "So what would you suggest as a replacement? The scientific method is, to paraphrase Winston Churchill on democracy, the worst system we have apart from all the others we've tried." Following yo

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On 11/12/2013 2:55 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 12 Nov 2013, at 04:44, meekerdb wrote: Experience may be like that; everything has 'experience', it's just not human experience and when you stop having human experience you're dead. Why? If by dying we remember being something different fro

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

On 11/12/2013 2:54 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: When the science and their media is dominated by a single coalition united in the mutual interest to increase their budget and they have the communication means of internet to coordinate in this effort, then there is no science. Albert doesn't

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

For a time, to answer your baby kicks has been amusing. But I have limited time. 2013/11/12 Chris de Morsella > Climategate a Fox News generated tempest in a teacup. Much ado about > stupid human behavior in order to keep the focus off of the salient facts > that global mean temperatures have b

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

On 11/12/2013 1:56 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: 2013/11/12 meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> On 11/11/2013 5:04 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: Every science whose conclusions have effects in politics has a high risk of being manipulated. In the URSS and here. From Ant

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On 11/12/2013 2:50 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 12 Nov 2013, at 04:35, LizR wrote: On 12 November 2013 16:03, meekerdb > wrote: On 11/11/2013 6:38 PM, LizR wrote: Benjamin Button lived his life in reverse. Oh, right, like the guy in Martin Amis'

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On 11/12/2013 2:37 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Both with Comp and with Everett-QM we have lost that unique theoretical evidence, because our best current explanation (comp, or QM) makes that mind-brain identity non sensical. I don't see anything about QM that makes "mind is what a brain does" non

RE: Our Demon-Haunted World

Climategate a Fox News generated tempest in a teacup. Much ado about stupid human behavior in order to keep the focus off of the salient facts that global mean temperatures have been rising (within the backdrop of natural weather cycles, such as the El Nino oscillation); that global mean sea levels

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

I agree and understand, Alberto, with your elegy. Mitch -Original Message- From: Alberto G. Corona To: everything-list Sent: Tue, Nov 12, 2013 6:42 am Subject: Re: Our Demon-Haunted World To spudboy: Reason alone does`n move to anything, not even to knowledge. If you think that y

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013/11/12 Bruno Marchal > > On 12 Nov 2013, at 11:54, Alberto G. Corona wrote: > > > "So what would you suggest as a replacement? The scientific method is, to > paraphrase Winston Churchill on democracy, the worst system we have apart > from all the others we've tried." > > Following your analog

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

Also, I found this related thread on QTI, archived by James Higgo, which took place on this list many years ago: http://higgo.com/qti/rplaga.htm Jason On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 9:19 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 7:14 PM, meekerdb wrote: > >> >> Benjamin Button lived hi

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 7:14 PM, meekerdb wrote: > > Benjamin Button lived his life in reverse. > > So I'll ask you the same thing I asked Quentin, what's you inference from > the fact you, and every body you've ever heard of died before reaching age > 150? > That observation is not relevant the

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

On 12 Nov 2013, at 11:54, Alberto G. Corona wrote: "So what would you suggest as a replacement? The scientific method is, to paraphrase Winston Churchill on democracy, the worst system we have apart from all the others we've tried." Following your analogy. when the the media, and the pol

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

To spudboy: Reason alone does`n move to anything, not even to knowledge. If you think that your passions are bad for looking for the truth, you are wrong. What you must say is that some passions are an obstacle for other higher passions, for example the passion of using the reason to reach the tru

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

On 12 Nov 2013, at 06:23, Chris de Morsella wrote: From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of Bruno Marchal Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 7:43 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Our Demon-Haunted World On 11 Nov 2013,

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On 12 Nov 2013, at 04:44, meekerdb wrote: Experience may be like that; everything has 'experience', it's just not human experience and when you stop having human experience you're dead. Why? If by dying we remember being something different from human, I would still feel like I am su

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

"So what would you suggest as a replacement? The scientific method is, to paraphrase Winston Churchill on democracy, the worst system we have apart from all the others we've tried." Following your analogy. when the the media, and the politicians of majority parties form a coalition to defend their

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 10:36 AM, LizR wrote: > Hi Telmo > > There maye have been a hint of sarcasm in my comment, to be honest. I suspected as much, but wanted to babble anyway :) > I don't > think we will better the scientific method, although we may be able to > improve how we "implement" it,

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On 12 Nov 2013, at 04:35, LizR wrote: On 12 November 2013 16:03, meekerdb wrote: On 11/11/2013 6:38 PM, LizR wrote: Benjamin Button lived his life in reverse. Oh, right, like the guy in Martin Amis' "Time's Arrow" (itself a rip off from "An Age" by Brian Aldiss). Presumably according to Q

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On 12 Nov 2013, at 03:38, LizR wrote: On 12 November 2013 14:14, meekerdb wrote: On 11/11/2013 4:29 PM, LizR wrote: On 12 November 2013 13:03, meekerdb wrote: On 11/11/2013 3:39 PM, LizR wrote: On 12 November 2013 09:37, meekerdb wrote: On 11/11/2013 11:21 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: You fi

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013/11/12 LizR > On 12 November 2013 14:04, Alberto G. Corona wrote: > >> Every science whose conclusions have effects in politics has a high risk >> of being manipulated. In the URSS and here. From Anthropology to long term >> Meteorology to everything in the middle. The one that does not real

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013/11/12 meekerdb > On 11/11/2013 5:04 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: > >> Every science whose conclusions have effects in politics has a high risk >> of being manipulated. In the URSS and here. From Anthropology to long term >> Meteorology to everything in the middle. The one that does not reali

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

Hi Telmo There maye have been a hint of sarcasm in my comment, to be honest. I don't think we will better the scientific method, although we may be able to improve how we "implement" it, as it were - the human part of the equation. But I'm glad I stimulated your interesting comments, anyway! --

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 3:30 AM, LizR wrote: > On 12 November 2013 14:04, Alberto G. Corona wrote: >> >> Every science whose conclusions have effects in politics has a high risk >> of being manipulated. In the URSS and here. From Anthropology to long term >> Meteorology to everything in the middl