Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon and Vetri-DMG - do these things help?
My FeLV cat was put on Interferon, injected daily, but he had too many complications and the injections were started too late to make a difference but the vet did take what I had left to use on a healthy positive cat they had in their care. It's an immune booster and I think could be beneficial in keeping a positive cat healthy. My nephew who is undergoing chemo/radiation therapy for Hodgkin's lymphoma has to give himself injections daily, so if it's used for cancer patients, I see no reason not to give it to FeLV cats. I don't know what to say about rehoming your negatives but those vets seem quite negative. I don't see how an immunized cat can become positive and unless your cats are fighting and biting, I wouldn't be too worried. Lynne - Original Message - From: James Rauscher jamesna...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 8:28 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Interferon and Vetri-DMG - do these things help? One of the vets who saw my FeLV+ catOnyx said I could give her interferon, that it may or may not help her, but certainly would not hurt her. Two other vets told me there was nothing to do for her except to wait until she gets sick then put her to sleep. One of them recommended re-homing my negative cats until the positive one dies because they will inevitably become positive as well, even though they are vaccinated. Another owner of mixed positives and negatives is taking the same route as me in not separating the positives and negatives (vaccinating the negatives) but also gives her positive kitty something called Vetri-DMG which is supposedly produced by the body naturally and is an immune system booster. Does anyone here have experience with these products? The vet who told me to re-home my negatives said immunoglobulins are very expensive and only help to keep a suffering cat alive. I am very confused - I get a different opinion from every vet I talk to! Avia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 3988 (20090404) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FelV Vaccines
Lorrie, I am certainly no expert here, however, having dealt with only one FelV cat and losing him after a short time, I personally would not vacccinate a positive cat. I still think the stress I put our boy through contributed to his quick demise. Recently I had our negative rescue cat vaccinated for FelV, rabies etc and she was very ill for several days. As she is a house cat who is allowed supervised back yard outings, I worried about the odd chance of a diseased cat coming in and infecting her. I won't do it again however. Our newest rescued cat, a feral I'm convinced, adopted from the HS is still afraid of me and I could never hold her long enough to get her into the carrier to get her to the vet to be boostered. Since she has no interest in the outdoors whatsoever now, I doubt I'll even bother. Lynne - Original Message - From: Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 5:11 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FelV Vaccines Oh wow, we're talking big bux here, as I have 14 permanent cats at home :-( I just wondered if anyone knew if the vaccine would hurt my cats if they were positive, but asymptomatic. I'll ask my vet tomorrow, but I value the opinions of the people in this group as much as any vet's opinion. And besides the vet stands to make a lot more money by testing each cat, so might insist or the tests. Lorrie On 03-30, Sharyl wrote: Lorrie, JMO but if they have never been vaccinated I'd have them tested before getting the vaccine. Sharyl --- On Mon, 3/30/09, Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com wrote: From: Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Vaccines To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: feral_c...@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 1:21 PM -Inline Attachment Follows- I have several cats who are 5+ years old, and all tested FelV negative years ago when I adopted them.? However they are inside - outside cats, and are also exposed to rescued cats I bring home to be adopted out. These cats also tested neg.? but there is always that window area where FelV may not show up yet or the test may be inaccurate I want to have my home cats vaccinated for FelV just in case. Please give me some info. on this.. Do I need to retest them all first, or is it safe to give them the vaccine without testing them. They all appear to be in excellent health, but if they should be pos. would the vaccine hurt them?? Thanks for your help, Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 3976 (20090330) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] mixing FeLV pos and neg
Mary Christine, I believe, plain and simple that vets realize the huge number of homeless cats, in shelters, in foster and just running wild and simply look at positive or even ill cats as something that should be irradicated. The first thing I was offered when Boo was found to be positive was euthanization. Because we decided not to we saved at least one other cat that I know of from that fate. A family had brought a young cat in to be neutered and were given the news of her being positive and didn't know if they wanted to take on that responsibility. My husband and I knowing Boo would not be around for long said we would take her, being so young and symptom free. After the vet told them about us and our situation they decided they wanted to keep her. They really loved the cat. Our vet even said he wanted to keep her but he had 3 cats at home already. We were the only people who ever went as far as we did to help Boo according to our vet and he became far more educated because of him. I don't fault the vets. Most ordinary uninformed people will elect not to keep the cat so a lot of vets just don't have the experience dealing with the disease. Lynne - Original Message - From: MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] mixing FeLV pos and neg thanks, carmen. you're much gentler than i in your evaluation of veterinary attitudes, and the damage they do. the more i find of old literature that says what we already know--bout it being bodily-fluids, not air, requiring close consistent contact, how many exposed cats either never become positive or throw the virus off (70%, in the merck veterinary manual), and how many positive kitties live quite happily with negatives, the more unhappy i become with the professionals who have chosen not to follow the literature. the need to retest, and NOT to make life-and-death decisions was taught in at least some vet schools as much as 20 years ago, and the STRONG RECOMMENDATION to retest has been in the professional lit since the early 2000s at least... additionally, there are still no documented cases that i have ever found of a vaccinated truly negative cat (tested negative on both the ELISSA and IFA, at an appropriate interval to rule out exposure) who has ever turned positive from LIVING WITH (as opposed to just visiting or passing in the night) a true positive (also tested more than once.) even at its highest incidence, FeLV only appears in less than 10% of the population natively--if it were as contagious as we are STILL being led to believe, there would be no feral colonies. think about it.. MC On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 11:21 AM, Carmen Conklin cwshel...@wildblue.netwrote: I am writing in response to Lauries note about Isabella. I have had several negative FeLV cats that have been mixed with the FeLV positives over the years and NONE of them ever acquired a positive status to the FeLV. It is definitely NOT an airborne disease in any way and it takes a very prolonged exposure for any negative cats to even possibly acquire the FeLV UNLESS they are bitten and direct blood is passed. Most adult cats are simply immune to FeLV and IF exposed at all, simply shed it off-they do not test postive even if living with those kitties. We have worked with hundreds of FeLV kitties over the last 25 years, and the non positives who lived with even the sympomatic positives did not become positive in their long lifetimes. One recently died of old age-not FeLV. Anyway, most people and some vets still have a pretty healthy fear of FeLV, but for those of us who have worked with these wonderful kitties for awhile and have them for companion animals, experience is a great calmer of all fears of FeLV positives. Carmen ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 3875 (20090220) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Transfusion
What wonderful news Dawn. I hope little Macy continues to thrive. Lynne - Original Message - From: mdgallo...@aol.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 9:59 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Transfusion To all who wrote such kind notes and sent prayers, thank you so much. My little Macy had her transfusion on Thursday and was back to normal immediately. In fact, she began eating and drinking during the procedure! One of my son's cats was a match and all went well. She went home that evening and woke my son up the next morning chasing our other cat and playing with her big dog sister. Her blood count had gone down to 6 so she was very close to the end. I know that all of the prayers sent out was what made t he difference. Thank you all for your advice and concern. Dawn ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 3876 (20090221) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] OT: Terrie's Mom Obituary
What a wonderful lady your mom was. There's a special place in heaven for her. Lynne - Original Message - From: tatorb...@aol.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 5:55 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] OT: Terrie's Mom Obituary Here is my Mom's obituary as promised for those of you that cared and ask. _http://www.legacy.com/HeraldNet/Obituaries.asp?Page=LifeStoryPersonId=123980 404_ (http://www.legacy.com/HeraldNet/Obituaries.asp?Page=LifeStoryPersonId=123980404) Please vote! _http://www.care2.com/animalsheltercontest/69145_ (http://www.care2.com/animalsheltercontest/69145) Tazzys Animal Transports/Siamese and Collie Rescue Sultan, WA 98294 TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE _http://tazzys.org/_ (http://tazzys.org/index.html) Board Member for national rescue. _http://www.hurricanepetsrescue.org/_ (http://www.hurricanepetsrescue.org/) OTRA VERIFIED TRANSPORTER (On The Road Again) Terrie Mohr-Forker Copyright © 2007-2008 Tazzy's.org. All rights reserved. **The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. AOL Music takes you there. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?ncid=emlcntusmusi0002) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 3840 (20090210) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV survey, please take part, just a personal one to better undertsand FeLV.
We don't know when our positive contracted the disease. We purchased him at 4 years, being told he was perfectly healthy. He died in less than two months after we got him. When we took him to the vet we were told he was positive but for his well being should have him neutered anyway. I will forever wish we had not put him through that stress. He was infected with earmites and fleas and we had him groomed and treated. Probably more stress for him. Over a period of 4 weeks, he went from just being fatigued to having to go in to have fluid aspirated from his lungs on a weekly basis just so he could breath. In the beginning he was started on Docycyclin and another antibiotic, then interferon. He was scheduled to have a blood transfusion on a Tuesday but on the Sunday he was having difficulty breathing, having just had his lungs aspirated on the Friday so we took him to the emergency clinic where we were told we had to let him go. He died of leukemia/FIV and peritonitis. I understand FIV cannot be diagnosed without an autopsy but all the clinical signs were there. We had gone as far as humanly possible in trying to save him and it was time to let him rest. I still choke up just writing about this. We've adopted 2 needy girls since but they aren't positive. I honestly do not think I could go through the pain of another positive cat, although, if I had one, I probably would do most of the same things all over again. Our cat was too sick and the disease too far advanced to save him. Had we got him in its earlier stages and given him proper care right from the start, I like to think he'd still be with us. Lynne - Original Message - From: Cougar Clan maima...@duo-county.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 5:45 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV survey, please take part,just a personal one to better undertsand FeLV. Hi all, I want to ask you all some questions about your present and or past FeLV kitties, this is a personal survey to better understand the illness and how everything effects it, I would be really grateful if you all could participate! AT WHAT AGE DID YOUR CAT BECOME FeLV POSITIVE? WHAT TREATMENTS DID YOU DO/ARE DOING? WHAT FOOD DO/DID YOU FEED? WHAT LIFESTYLE DO YOUR CATS LEAD, E.G; INDOOR, OUTDOOR/BOTH ? LIVE WITH OTHER CATS OR NOT? HAS YOUR CAT HAD/HAVE ANY OTHER ILLNESSES AND OR STRESS IN LIFE? IF SO WHAT? WHAT AGE IS YOUR CAT NOW? OR WHEN THEY DIED? WHAT DID THEY DIE OF? So sorry, but your time in answering would be really appreciated! thanks so much! hugs and good health to you and your fur babies, Amanda, Tora and Angel Silver chan. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Marylyn, Copper Thomas ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 3831 (20090205) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV survey, please take part, just a personal one to better undertsand FeLV.
I agree, they do enlarge our ability to give. If I hadn't run home and googled FeLV and found this group Boo may have been euthanized the very day we got the call asking us if we wanted to put him down. If nothing else, that little guy helped educate us about this miserable disease. When we took Snowy into the vet last week, her vet talked to us about our experience with Boo and was very pleased that we did what we did for him. Turns out he had a positive cat and did all he could do for him as well. He also mentioned that there are new develpments with treating the disease but they're not yet available, at least over here. Lynne - Original Message - From: Cougar Clan maima...@duo-county.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV survey, please take part,just a personal one to better undertsand FeLV. Lynne, You gave him a home, love and care. It was not your fault that he had these problems when he came to you any more than it was mine that Dixie was positive. They come to us for a reason and for whatever time we are blessed with, no matter what the cost to our hearts. There is a reason. Maybe it is to enlarge our ability to give. I don't know but I do know that they are a blessing even if it is painful. Know that you did everything right for him. On Feb 6, 2009, at 7:04 PM, Lynne wrote: We don't know when our positive contracted the disease. We purchased him at 4 years, being told he was perfectly healthy. He died in less than two months after we got him. When we took him to the vet we were told he was positive but for his well being should have him neutered anyway. I will forever wish we had not put him through that stress. He was infected with earmites and fleas and we had him groomed and treated. Probably more stress for him. Over a period of 4 weeks, he went from just being fatigued to having to go in to have fluid aspirated from his lungs on a weekly basis just so he could breath. In the beginning he was started on Docycyclin and another antibiotic, then interferon. He was scheduled to have a blood transfusion on a Tuesday but on the Sunday he was having difficulty breathing, having just had his lungs aspirated on the Friday so we took him to the emergency clinic where we were told we had to let him go. He died of leukemia/FIV and peritonitis. I understand FIV cannot be diagnosed without an autopsy but all the clinical signs were there. We had gone as far as humanly possible in trying to save him and it was time to let him rest. I still choke up just writing about this. We've adopted 2 needy girls since but they aren't positive. I honestly do not think I could go through the pain of another positive cat, although, if I had one, I probably would do most of the same things all over again. Our cat was too sick and the disease too far advanced to save him. Had we got him in its earlier stages and given him proper care right from the start, I like to think he'd still be with us. Lynne - Original Message - From: Cougar Clan maima...@duo-county.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 5:45 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV survey, please take part,just a personal one to better undertsand FeLV. Hi all, I want to ask you all some questions about your present and or past FeLV kitties, this is a personal survey to better understand the illness and how everything effects it, I would be really grateful if you all could participate! AT WHAT AGE DID YOUR CAT BECOME FeLV POSITIVE? WHAT TREATMENTS DID YOU DO/ARE DOING? WHAT FOOD DO/DID YOU FEED? WHAT LIFESTYLE DO YOUR CATS LEAD, E.G; INDOOR, OUTDOOR/BOTH ? LIVE WITH OTHER CATS OR NOT? HAS YOUR CAT HAD/HAVE ANY OTHER ILLNESSES AND OR STRESS IN LIFE? IF SO WHAT? WHAT AGE IS YOUR CAT NOW? OR WHEN THEY DIED? WHAT DID THEY DIE OF? So sorry, but your time in answering would be really appreciated! thanks so much! hugs and good health to you and your fur babies, Amanda, Tora and Angel Silver chan. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Marylyn, Copper Thomas ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 3831 (20090205) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Marylyn, Copper Thomas ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman
Re: [Felvtalk] vaccine
Thank you Tanya. If we decide to get our other girl vaccinated, I will definitely follow your advice. Lynne - Original Message - From: TANYA NOE sashacatgodd...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 12:16 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] vaccine Hello, I am a veterinary Technician and I see a lot of reactions to the leukemia vaccine. Next time ask your vet about giving your cat an antihistamine an hour before the vaccine. Hope this helps Tanya --- On Wed, 2/4/09, Lynne menar...@cogeco.ca wrote: From: Lynne menar...@cogeco.ca Subject: [Felvtalk] vaccine To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, February 4, 2009, 9:56 PM Hi, I'm just curious if any of you had any problems with the feline leukemia vaccine. We had to take our Snowball to the vet on Sunday and decided to have her vaccinated. My husband took her back today because she has been lethargic and out of character for three days. The vet said it could be the vaccine and for whatever reason gave her a shot of prednisone. Lynne ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 3823 (20090203) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] vaccine
Hi, I'm just curious if any of you had any problems with the feline leukemia vaccine. We had to take our Snowball to the vet on Sunday and decided to have her vaccinated. My husband took her back today because she has been lethargic and out of character for three days. The vet said it could be the vaccine and for whatever reason gave her a shot of prednisone. Lynne ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] vaccine
She got her rabies vaccine at the same time so I guess I can't determine which is causing the problem. The vet checked her over and decided she was fine today, although he couldn't find the site of the injections as he wasn't the one who gave them to her and being a persian it's difficult to see anything through all that hair. I just hope this resolves. I'm reluctant now to have our newest girl immunized. Both are indoor cats but having lost our baby Boo last March to feline leukemia and FIV I was afraid to not have them vaccinated. Lynne - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 9:59 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] vaccine I have never had problems with the FELV vaccine but we did have a cat contract Autoimmune Hemolytic Anemia as the result of either a rabies or distemper shot (he got both at the same time). On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 8:56 PM, Lynne menar...@cogeco.ca wrote: Hi, I'm just curious if any of you had any problems with the feline leukemia vaccine. We had to take our Snowball to the vet on Sunday and decided to have her vaccinated. My husband took her back today because she has been lethargic and out of character for three days. The vet said it could be the vaccine and for whatever reason gave her a shot of prednisone. Lynne ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 Check out our Memsaic! http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help Tofu - combo positive! http://rescuties.chipin.com/tofu Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 3823 (20090203) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Donations
Dear Sue, I am so sorry for your sadness but I understand. I will forever see our Booboo looking up at me the night we had him PTS as if to say, I can't do this anymore. He couldn't have struggled like your Buzzy if he had wanted to. Lately I've been very sad about letting our old Lenny go. His only crime was that he was very old and after months of watching him deteriorate we decided he no longer had any quality of life left. Now I'm wishing we had tried to do more. It all gets easier over time but never goes away. I would be honored to contribute to a Buzzy fund. I'm certainly not a rich person by any means and try to contribute to TLC here for giving us our beautiful rescued Snowball when I can but I'm sure every dollar counts. If someone can provide the details and how to donate I would be grateful. Lynne - Original Message - From: Sue Frank Koren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 1:10 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Donations Jane, What a wonderful idea. I believe it is because of this list that Buzz was able to have his last few months of life, and to donate to the list in his memory would be just the thing. I am by no means wealthy and I have no idea how much running something like this costs, but maybe my little drop in the bucket would help some. It is probably selfish, but to set up my own little Buzzy Fund that I add to regularly and then give away would make me feel a little better. This has been such a heartbreaking weekend. I am really wondering if I should not have had him PTS. When I went to put him in his carrier he struggled to push his way out with more energy than he has had in at least a week. The image of him trying to get away will live with me forever. : ( All I wanted was for him not to be in pain. - Original Message - From: Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 11:56 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Donations One thought Sue..the person who runs this list (James) has financed it pretty much on his own for several years. When he had difficulty with the servers and was able to get things back on line he mentioned that he would appreciate some help from the group. I think the help we all get from this list is invaluable and a contribution to help maintain it into the future would be a gift to all kitties who are helped from the collective wisdom here. I do not know how to reach him, but someone will. Just a thought. Jane On Nov 23, 2008, at 7:53 AM, Sue Frank Koren wrote: Does anyone know if there is a group that researches a cure for feline leukemia that is deserving of donations? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 3632 (20081121) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Donations
That's exactly what I thought you meant Sue, that the Buzzy fund money would go to James. That's what I meant by being happy to donate to it, ie James. OK so I will call mine BooBoo's fund. : )If James is willing to contact us, perhaps we can do something about helping maintain this wonderful site. Lynne - Original Message - From: Sue Frank Koren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 5:39 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Donations What I really meant was that I, personally, would save up in my own Buzzy Fund. Yours would probably be a BooBoo Fund. I have been thinking all day that I would like to ask the people who give me Christmas gifts to donate to my Buzzy Fund instead of giving me a gift. I am 51 years old and I sure don't need another ill fitting sweater or gim-crack, but I would be so happy to be able to give to the kitties in any possible way... I could also add to a change jar, or put money in that I receive by cutting hair on the side. So many different ways that might add up to something that would help. If I knew in my heart that I was doing it because of my darling Buzzy it would make me feel somewhat better. Most of us have lost our own beloved Buzzys over the years. I think my first Buzzy fund donation will go to James as Jane suggested. The idea is still too young to decide what to do beyond that. Like I mentioned before, I have no idea what the expenses of this list are, and maybe the best place to donate my Buzzy Fund would always be here. Sue From: Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 1:50 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Donations Dear Sue, I am so sorry for your sadness but I understand. I will forever see our Booboo looking up at me the night we had him PTS as if to say, I can't do this anymore. He couldn't have struggled like your Buzzy if he had wanted to. Lately I've been very sad about letting our old Lenny go. His only crime was that he was very old and after months of watching him deteriorate we decided he no longer had any quality of life left. Now I'm wishing we had tried to do more. It all gets easier over time but never goes away. I would be honored to contribute to a Buzzy fund. I'm certainly not a rich person by any means and try to contribute to TLC here for giving us our beautiful rescued Snowball when I can but I'm sure every dollar counts. If someone can provide the details and how to donate I would be grateful. Lynne ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 3632 (20081121) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Buzz is gone
Sue, I'm so sorry you lost your dear Buzz. I can only imagine how hard this is for you. Lynne - Original Message - From: Sue Frank Koren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 4:20 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Buzz is gone Today I had to have my sweet little kitty Buzz PTS. I feel like a very large piece of me is missing. The first time I saw Buzz I fell in love with him. He was terrified, cowering between two up-ended mattresses in an unused bedroom at my brothers' house. He had been abused by neighborhood boys in an urban area where my brother used to live. When my sister in law, Lee, rescued him he was very sick, full of parasites, starving and near death. She and my brother nursed him back to physical health but he was still terrified of people. They named him Buzz Saw because of the way his claws flew whenever anyon e got near him. That day Lee caught him in a blanket and handed him to me. I sat with him and gently pet him and talked to him. Within about 20 minutes he was purring. Before we left that day he reached up to me and touched noses. After about a week I talked my husband into keeping him. When I brought him home I put him into our study so he had a smaller space to get used to, and to keep him separate from the other cats. When I took him to the vet a few days later his feline leukemia test came back positive. Buzz was going to live in the study for quite a while so I filled it with cat toys and a cat tree and pretty much spoiled him as much as much as I could. Every evening I would spend hours with him. I was working on a computer project and he kept me company with that. That is how it was from January of '07 to April. At that point it was clear that keeping him separate was not working. We vaccinated the other cats for feline leukemia and released Buzzy into the rest of the house. He loved his new freedom and became every ones quiet little shadow. He loved to watch what was going on. His favorite place was a window bench that looks out on the bird feeder. At night he either slept on a ledge right behind my head or cuddled up n ext to me, purring. When July came I noticed that he seemed to have no energy and was not eating. When we took him to the vet the diagnosis was anemia. With heavy doses of prednesolone his health and red blood count began to come back. I was so happy watching my sweet boy gaining back his energy and appetite. While he was recuperating I would take him out to sit on the deck on my lap. He loved sniffing the outdoor smells and feeling the warm sunshine on his fur. He would sit and purr out there for as long as I could sit and hold him. In the evenings Buzzy loved to chase DaBird and the laser pointer. His blood was being tested every couple of weeks and soon it was in the normal range. We began to back off on the prednesolone. For several weeks everything was going well until the week that his blood count started going the wrong direction. I prayed that it was just the one time but unfortunately not. That horrible disease was in his bone marrow and the medication was no longer helping. For the las t several weeks I watched as he became more and more lethargic. We offered him every special treat we could think of to keep him eating and he would nibble on those tidbits almost to the end. He would sit all day on his window seat and for the last week we carried him to the litter box. He always watched every move I made as I moved around the kitchen. Today when he just put his head down in exhaustion instead of watching, I knew it was time to say goodbye to my darling boy. When I took him to the vet I told him how much I have loved him and asked him to meet me at the bridge. Then he went to sleep in my arms. I will miss him so very much, but now he is in a place where there is no feline leukemia. Sue ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 3631 (20081121) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Missing Maizee
This must be a sad day for you Sherry. I'm finding lately I miss my dear old Lennie boy more and more. He was very elderly, with little quality of life left when we had him put to rest this summer but I miss caring for him and his very soft purr even though he had little to be happy about at the end. Then there's Boo. My heart still breaks every time I think of what that little guy went through. I know we adopted Snow the little persian to fill that void but of course it doesn't work that way. We still miss Boo and Snowy is not in the least similar to him. Boo wasn't the most affectionate cat, kind of manly, and of course terminally ill, but Snow is totally dependent on us and demanding of attention. She's a determined little girl. I must be up at 6:30 even on weekends because Snow insists on it and I must be in bed by 10:30 because that's when she wants to go to bed. I so admire people like yourself who will do this wonderful volunteer work knowing full well what the future holds for many of these little souls. I am ashamed to say I could not put myself through that kind of heartbreak, not after our short time with BooBoo dealing with that horrible disease. Lynne - Original Message - From: Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 8:21 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Missing Maizee Three years ago today my Maizee Grace left this world. :( Sometimes it seems like yesterday that my beautiful baby girl was still here with me. She is the reason that I volunteer at Sids(felv,fiv cat sanctuary).I have had the honor to love MANY wonderful babies in the last 3 years.Each and every one of them have a special place in my heart. Thank you Maizee Sherry We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 3615 (20081115) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Romeo is gone....
Chris, I'm so sorry your Romeo had to leave. I know he loved his good life with you and it was his time to go but it still just breaks my heart a bit every time I read one of these emails. Lynne - Original Message - From: Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 4:37 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Romeo is gone It is with a very heavy heart that I tell you that I lost my Romeo today to lymphoma. I write not out of grief but to encourage all the newbies who wonder whether they can hang on with a FELV positive, whether they know enough to take care of them, whether they should mix, etc. And the resounding answer is YES YES YES. My Romeo was a throw away stray that I first met 7+ years ago when I helped someone out feeding a little colony near me. He was already an adult (3-4 years old) who would come running across the field when I'd whistle and meow the whole way so I wouldn't miss him. He would get underfoot, get bullied by the other cats, bury everybody's food, and just rub up against my leg for some loving. I knew someone had been unkind to him cause if I raised my hand, he'd scamper away, just out of reach, cowering. Fast forward two years and we had one of the coldest NY winters we've had in a long time. One weekend, we were expecting zero degree temps and a major snowstorm. Romeo was the last of the colony and I knew I had to bring him in. I even had an adoptive home ready-but he turned out to be positive and they couldn't handle it. Soo, he stayed in my room for a few weeks, watching my every move, figuring out the TV and the vacuum cleaner weren't that bad. Slowly, he started coming out of his crate at night when he thought I was asleep. Little baby steps-first the food dish got moved next to his crate. Then the litter box in the bathroom. And slowly, he'd come out during the day. I knew we won the battle when I peeked out over my monitor to spot him on my bed. You could see it in his face-this is niiice and from that point on, he was totally comfortable being in and around we humans. Funny thing is that he never really wanted to get out-he rarely sat at the window-the couch and the bed were always much more comfortable for him! Over these last 4 ½ years, Romeo turned into the most loving cat you'd ever want to meet. Only thing I could never do was pick him up or restrain him in any way---he was just too scared. But he'd jump up on me, lie on my chest as I was trying to get to sleep, follow me around like a puppy dog and otherwise just kept thanking all the humans he met for being safe and warm and loved. My other cats were a bit leary of him and Tucson never did take much of a liking to him-all jealousy, I'm sure. But Romeo persevered and the two of them had come to terms with each other... His final illness took him quickly. He'd never been real sick before-had some gum and teeth problems a couple of times, but that was it. Going to the vet was a major trauma for him so I'd always worked with my wonderful vet to keep those visits to a bare minimum. But today was one of those days that I knew he had to get to the vet asap. He'd been feeling poorly during the week and over the weekend, he started breathing very hard-like he couldn't catch his breath. He'd been on antibiotics for what I thought was another gum problem but when we got to the vet, I knew it was a whole lot more. My vet sent me immediately to our local specialty hospital and they confirmed the lymphoma. He had a large mass in his chest, his lungs had filled up with fluid, and I knew that emotionally and physically, he could never withstand an aggressive course of treatment that in all likelihood would only give him a short extension of his life. So, I made that decision we all dread after I looked in his eyes and knew he was telling me it was time. I stroked him to the end and told him I loved him. And do I regret taking him in-ABSOLUTELY NOT. He gave me so many wonderful memories and he will always be in my heart. And did he regret coming inside-ABSOLUTELY NOT-he had almost 5 years of a wonderful life and I know that had he stayed out, he would have died a miserable death from the cold and hunger or an infection and he would have been alone. We can't save them forever-but we can give them some wonderful time and we can all learn so very much about life from these little guys. Christiane Biagi [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 3597 (20081108) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi
My prayers go out to you and Kiwi Robin. I'm so sorry for your loss. You did your best and Kiwi loves you for it. Lynne - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 10:04 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Kiwi Kiwi is with God now. I'm to upset to say anything else right now. Robin ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 3494 (20081003) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] ADMIN: testing
Tonya, I thought about getting a second cat for Snowball, especially as she was having some problems the first week Lennie had to be let go, but with what we've been through this past year it's amazing we even have her. Everytime we lose a cat my husband swears this is the last and it never is. I'm gonna just do what I had planned to do, contribute financially as often as I can to the shelter we got Snow from. She's a very demanding, needy and bossy little cat. She might not like another invading her space. She's just so darn sweet and cute though. Lynne - Original Message - From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ADMIN: testing Congratulations on your new addition. Maybe you should just get another cat. There's only one Daddy's Lap! lol. tonya - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 1:28 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ADMIN: testing I see ya! James Been busy in the rescue world. I too noticed it was quiet...hope all is well too, that is a good sign! In a message dated 8/29/2008 10:05:37 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hey all, Haven't seen any activity on the list for a couple of days. So, I'm testing the list. Hope all is well with everyone. Best wishes. James G. Wilson - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.felineleukemia.org (FeLV Research Support) http://www.myspace.com/wilsonjamesg (My Space Page) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE _http://tazzys.org/_ (http://tazzys.org/index.html) _http://www.hurricanepetsrescue.org/_ (http://www.hurricanepetsrescue.org/) OTRA VERIFIED TRANSPORTER (On The Road Again) Terrie Mohr-Forker **It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv000547) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 3399 (20080829) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 3401 (20080829) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Two kitties - names unknown - please add to CLS (nonFELV)
Kelley, this is just heartbreaking. I thought god put us on earth to be animal's stewards, not just kill them for the inconvenience they may cause or because they aren't perfect. What sadness the loss of these two lives has caused ! Lynne - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 8:50 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Two kitties - names unknown - please add to CLS (nonFELV) Hi guys, I'm very sad today. We had made arrangements to pull a blind cat and a cat with a cleft palate (the kitty with the cleft palate's mom went into a nursing home). We were supposed to pick them up today. The shelter rescue coordinator called and told us they had accidentally been killed two days ago. Apparently this shelter's policy is to immediately kill all handicapped kitties. I still don't understand how you can accidentally kill a cat - these cats were safe - they had rescue - and they were still killed. Kelley -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 Check out our Memsaic! http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help with some of our kitties medical needs! http://rescuties.chipin.com/kitties-medical-expenses Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 3401 (20080829) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] ADMIN: testing
All is well here. Just spending a lot of quality time with Snowball this weekend. Usually on weekends I work harder than I do at my regular job, but not this labor day weekend. I thought of something funny this morning. When we lost Boo and I thought we'd never recover, I sneakily started to plan a short time later to do everything I could to adopt Snowball, a rescued persian who had been abused and neglected. When I finally told my husband I was selected to be her mom he wasn't exactly happy until he saw her the day we picked her up. He was immediately in love with her. I had hoped she would be my girl because the male cats we had owned, including Boo, always seemed to favor my husband and son. Snowball started out being my little baby but like the rest of them seems to have become her dad's girl. I don't get it. They all have loved me but when it's a choice of a lap to sit on, it's Bob's first then mine. Lynne - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 1:28 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ADMIN: testing I see ya! James Been busy in the rescue world. I too noticed it was quiet...hope all is well too, that is a good sign! In a message dated 8/29/2008 10:05:37 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hey all, Haven't seen any activity on the list for a couple of days. So, I'm testing the list. Hope all is well with everyone. Best wishes. James G. Wilson - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.felineleukemia.org (FeLV Research Support) http://www.myspace.com/wilsonjamesg (My Space Page) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE _http://tazzys.org/_ (http://tazzys.org/index.html) _http://www.hurricanepetsrescue.org/_ (http://www.hurricanepetsrescue.org/) OTRA VERIFIED TRANSPORTER (On The Road Again) Terrie Mohr-Forker **It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv000547) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 3399 (20080829) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi our felv one year old cat
Wendy, I am certainly no expert but have experienced life with a felv positive cat. If your Kiwi is acting fine, maybe you could change his diet to see if this helps his diarrhea. We had a cat who would eat nothing but chicken (human chicken) and he lived for over 20 years. Of course he didn't have feline leukemia. Personally, my belief is that stess is the biggest killer of these cats. You can have all the lab work in the world done but if you are not financially in a position to pay for extrodinary treatment, then what is the point. My concern now would be to get the diarrhea under control and watch his eyes. That can be treated. It may not be anything all that significant. If he becomes inactive, won't eat or drink water or seems to be having trouble breathing then I would take him to the vet. Also if the diarrhea doesn't subside with a change in diet he should be checked out as well. Best of luck to you and your Kiwi. Lynne - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 9:44 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi our felv one year old cat My son found kiwi beside his dead sibling in the woods. Kiwi was actually very healthy. We cleaned him up and gave him kitten formula. The next day we took him to our local vet who thought he was between 2 1/2 to 3 weeks old. He would not suck on the kitten nipple bottle so we feed him through a dropper. He acted as though we could not feed him fast enough. He loved his kitten formula. We did everything for him a mom cat would do. He thrived. When he was about 3 months old one of my daughters took the kitten to the vet because she was also taking her cat. Everything looked good until they did the fel Luk test. It came take positive. We were all shocked. The vet asked us what we wanted to do. Li ke do we want them to put him to sleep. I couldn't believe it. This active happy go lucky kitten. I couldn't imagine doing something like that. We were worried about the other cat, who had been immunized against it. He came back negative. Well, this was last summer. Now he is a year old and has been fixed and tested positive again. We think he might have gotten it from his farel mother's milk. All this time we were trying to place him in a foster home, because we had two dogs and another cat. The re has not been any openings, I think possibly because he is felv positive. Right now he has diarrhea and some guk in his eyes. But he does act fine. I do feed him dry food because he throws up wet food. He needs to see a vet, but I don't have the money. I know with dogs if they get an upset stomack and have diarrhea, chicken breast is good. I am wondering if chicken breast might be helpful for cats also. I am also exploring to see if I can sign him up with Bandfield at Petsmart. I would get the top plan which is about $30.00. I figure it's better then nothing. I think most lab work is included. And I also think they he will need plenty of blood test to check his blood count. Any advise is very welcomed. Thanks! P.S. wish I could send pictures of him! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 3382 (20080823) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon question
I didn't realize Interferon could be given orally. The interferon we had for BooBoo was given subcutaneously. My vet called into my pharmacy and they got it for me. As I remember it was a lot less expensive than I thought it would be and the amount we got would have lasted a lot longer than Boo would. As it was he only had 2 doses and died. We were fortunate to be able to give the rest of it to two cats that were Felv positive at the Clinic and were not anywhere near ill like our baby. Lynne - Original Message - From: Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon question They gave me a choice of flavors, so I am hoping marshmallow will do it. Her mouth is inflamed so it is difficult to open it to squirt something in. The lab my vet used is charging 70.00 for a 30 day supply. (25.00 of that is overnight frio packing) Does that seem right to you? I'm doing 30 (ml) daily? I'll do anything if it enhances the quality of her live. I hope she responds to it. It is great that it helped your kitties mouth. I 'm encouraged. thanks for your help Gloria Jane On Aug 22, 2008, at 1:58 PM, Gloria B. Lane wrote: Well the rumor I recall is that it is absorbed in the back of the throat, so if you give it alone it heightens the possibility of that happening. I don't have any sources to document it, however, and it may or may not be true. But I always give it with a syringe not mixed with food. I think some folks use it with food and still feel it helps. One of my FIV kitties started having some mouth isues yesterday. I started him on 1cc interferon mornings and he's much much better. I haven't seen it help with mouth problems before. Gloria At 11:36 AM 8/22/2008, you wrote: Gloria (thank you) sent me some great information about Interferon that someone called Tally put together for this list a few years ago. My vet has read it and is learning from Tally and any information I can give her. Is anyone using it now? The instructions are contradictory. One piece is that it cannot be given with food, while another suggests giving it with tuna juice. Since I cannot ask my vet, I am hoping someone out there is using it. I just received it and if I can figure out the correct method, will begin tonight. Here's hoping Jane ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 3377 (20080821) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon Question-Jane,Lynne
If I ever have a positive cat again I would definitely consider this. I'm wondering if it can be made into a trans dermal. We found that this method worked really well for our dear old Lennie and his thyroid medication. Lynne - Original Message - From: Gloria B. Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon Question-Jane,Lynne Sorry, thought I sent it to the list, guess not. Tally used to be on this list (maybe 2001?). Guess that's when I got on this list. Anyhow - This is her info on her web site: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pointe/9352/interferon.html Interferon used in this way, Lynne, is oral low dose interferon alpha. Not injected. It can of course be administered in other ways, but this is intended to provide a gentle ongoing boost to the kitty immune system. There's lots of undocumented, unresearched stuff about interferon, but this is the protocol that many use. There's also a discussion of whether you do constant, or on-off (like 7 days on, then 7 off). As I understand from Tally's info, the theory for the constant, daily dosage, is that the cat is low in its own natural interferon , and this is intended to supplement it. Now mind you, I'm just saying what I recall, so don't have sources right now other than Tally's info. Gloria At 07:56 PM 8/22/2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We've been using interferon with our two FeLV positive kitties for over a year now. Our vet said I could give it by mixing it into food, but usually we administer the required dosage in a needless syringe and the kitties just swallow it. (I want to be sure they get all their dose.) So far, both cats are doing well. Bo is almost four now, and Seven is just over a year old. I don't think I have the list that Gloria sent to you, Jane, but I would be very interested in reading it and learning any more that I can. Good luck! Jody Today's Topics: 1. Interferon question (Jane Lyons) -- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 12:36:34 -0400 From: Jane Lyons Subject: [Felvtalk] Interferon question To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Gloria (thank you) sent me some great information about Interferon that someone called Tally put together for this list a few years ago. My vet has read it and is learning from Tally and any information I can give her. Is anyone using it now? The instructions are contradictory. One piece is that it cannot be given with food, while another suggests giving it with tuna juice. Since I cannot ask my vet, I am hoping someone out there is using it. I just received it and if I can figure out the correct method, will begin tonight. Here's hoping Jane -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org End of Felvtalk Digest, Vol 2, Issue 28 *** ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 3381 (20080822) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon Question-Jane,Lynne
I'm convinced that cats that have this disease are very special little creatures. I no longer have a positive cat but the girl we have now was a rescued cat, seized from this horrible pet store owner. She was lucky in the sense that she was taken in by a rescue group and spent 2 months being rehabilitated. I understand the diagnosis was feline herpes virus. You'd never know she had been so close to death now. The only reminder of her illness is a scar on her one eye. She's a persian and the most loving cat we've owned. She comes to bed with me every night but won't go to sleep until Bob comes up to tell her how beautiful she is. She is just so endearing and so smart, very clingy, not like the boys we've had in the past who were a little more independent. When we lost BooBoo the vet introduced us to another positive cat Baby whose owners were not certain they wanted her after learning about her disease. We were ready to take her home but the owners had a change of heart, which is good. Still, I wouldn't hesitate to take on another. I learned a lot from BooBoo as hopeless as his case was and now just losing Lennie, I realize that both Bob and I are quite capable of handling all the sorrow that eventually goes along with owning cats but am reassured that we do the best we can for them and in the end it enriches all of our lives. Lynne - Original Message - From: Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 10:43 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon Question-Jane,Lynne That's a good question Lynne ...I don't know and my vet is learning from the information that Gloria sent to me, via Tally. I became interested when I read that paper published by the French veterinarians that stated that interferon was the only treatment that they thought improved the quality and longevity ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Duncan is gone
I'm so sorry Laura for your losses. Lynne - Original Message - From: Laura Mostello [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 9:32 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Duncan is gone Sadly, I had to have Duncan euthanized last night. He was suffering from a URI and getting Clavamox, and the URI was clearing up, but he was still sluggish. On Sunday night he seemed disoriented, and was crying as if he was in a lot of pain. I rushed him to the emergency vet and then to my regular vet Monday morning. The vet called me at 5:30 as I was driving home from work to get Duncan's food and told me that he thought Duncan was very close to dying. Test results had showed Hemobartonella and he was fadi ng fast. We talked about possible treatments but Dr Leathers felt that it would be best, and kindest, to put him down. He deteriorated so quickly - just a couple of days ago he was eating and walking around. Unfortunately, I assumed he just wasn't 100% because of the URI. I will not make that mistake again. He has never shown any symptoms in the year that I've had him. My other two positives, who lived with him, are fine, but I'm going to have them checked out at the vet next week. I lost my 18 year old cat last Monday so this hasn't been a very good past couple of weeks for me. Laura ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 3369 (20080819) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Seizures and some fabulous non-related news!!!
Caroline, this is the best news I've heard in a long time. I am so happy for your Manny and the wonderful sounding people who are getting him. You've done a wonderful job. Lynne - Original Message - From: Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 8:21 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Seizures and some fabulous non-related news!!! Well, I guess the lord truly does giveth and taketh away in a good ways sometimes! Just as I am struggling to deal with my returned foster suffering from seziures of unknown origin and reaching the height of my stress...I also have the best news I have had in a long time. My feleuk foster Manny has a home. A lady and her 14 yo son were coming to look at him tonight at 6:00 and I had not allowed myself to get excited about it b/c I am realistic. But they knew he had feleuk and still wanted to see him (th o they have never had a feleuk- had two cats that lived to be 18-20 that died a few months ago a few mths apart). The son needed time to grieve but has recently been asking for a cat. They just want 1 so a foster friend suggested my Manny b/c I'm desperate to get him home b/c I just don't have the set up for him to have much of a life here-- running out of rooms! They have already been screened by the organization I am adopting him thru or else they wouldn't have come to the house to see him. AND they a re cousins by marriage of one of my fellow foster friends! Manny is the healthiest thing ever and he's flourished in my care-- he's all muscle, not an ounce of fat, vivacious, playful, tons of fun, and a complete alpha male who rules humans and dogs-- whomever he is given the opportunity to interact with!!! He's the smartest thing in this house and that includes the dogs- of which one is very bright-- but Manny takes the cake in the brains area. I love love love him and would so keep him if I hadn't alre ady had non-feleuk fosters and house cats and in particular kitten fosters. So I didn't get my hopes up too much when they came to see him but they asked all the right questions about feleuk and I think they feel comfortable b/c they can rely on me and my experience since we will have a very open adoption! She is a nurse so she has a great base of knowledge for understanding his disease! I just want him to have a home so I have told them that I will help personally with vet bills so that he can have his red blood cells monitored every 6 months and should he ever get sick- with the treatment. The organization I am adopting him thru (I am working with another one on the side now that I am very happy with) helps with vet bills in all cases and will assist with his should he get sick! They said they were told by another rescuer/foster in the organization that they will just know the right cat for them when they see it and they said we just know it's him! I just can't believe I got my Manny a home I have a few days to spend with him to say goodbye so I can ease m yself into it-- they want to clean the house for Manny and have to get a litterbox, etc. because they threw things out. I just can't even explain to you how happy I am but I know you all share my joy! Manny finally gets a young boy to PLAY WITH, an entire house to romp in, and windows to bird watch from ALL DAY (instead of just a few hours a day)! I couldn't possibly want more for him. Caroline _ Get ideas on sharing photos from people like you. Find new ways to share. http://www.windowslive.com/explore/photogallery/posts?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Photo_Gallery_082008 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 3360 (20080815) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] my Cole, help!
Kim, I am so sorry for what you are going through with your Cole. We had to put our old guy to rest last Thursday and had lost our young cat to leukemia in March after owning him for only month. It's been such heartbreak around here. Your Cole is way to young to leave for a healthy cat but you have managed to do what I only wish I could have done, keep him as long as you have. That is wonderful that he has had a loving life this long. You will have to make the decision for him. It's the hardest thing you'll probably ever have to do but you must because he can't. You've been with him a long time and will know when he is ready. I do not want to sound discouraging here, but you need to decide how far you want to take this, financially and emotionally. I personally will never again subject a sick cat to the constant vet visits, the myriad of medications and the horrendous expenses incurred. I have nothing but guilt left from losing our little Himilayan. The blood work was grave yet we continued to have fluid drained from his lungs because he couldn't breath, give him medications that served no purpose at his stage and all in all created an almost unbearable situation for all of us. Unfortunately only you can make this decision but trust your instincts, have a talk with Cole. That's what we did with Len. We bawled our heads off when he took his last breath but we know we did the right thing. Thoughts and prayers with you. Lynne I will say this, - Original Message - From: Kim Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 9:45 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] my Cole, help! I am afraid I am on the verge of losing my loved and adored kitty, Cole. I have had him for 6 1/2 years and we have had our ups and downs with some illnesses but nothing a little TLC and medicine couldn't handle. I got Cole when he was 5 months old from the Humane Society and about a week after adopting him I found out he was feline leukemia positive. The Humane Society said they would take him back and give me a new kitty. By that point my heart was completely in love with him and there was no turning ba ck, I had to meet this challenge with strength and do all I had to take care of him. Up until this point I knew that he would make it through all of the colds, pneumonia's, gastro-intestinal issues, but now I am not sure anymore. He is not acting like he would normally when he is sick..no sneezing, coughing, breathing difficulties, or diarrhea. He just lays around all the time, doesnt seem to be eating much or drinking much. Wet food doesnt even make him happy! I have noticed that he is losing weight as wel l. I have an appointment with the vet today to get him checked out but I am scared that this will just be the beginning of the end. I am unsure of how far to let him go. I don't know if I should keep treating everything or if I should give up? The last thing I would ever want to do is prolong his life and make him suffer more just so I could have more time with him. Does anyone have any words of advice? I am new to this posting and I am afraid of losing one of the most important things in my life and I am n ot sure how to even go about dealing with any of it! Kim ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 3347 (20080811) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Need help-seeking forever home for feluk positive cat
My vet wouldn't vaccinate BooBoo when we first took him in. And he told us at the time that if he became well enough to vaccinate he would have to order it in as the regular vaccinations would not be good for him. I'm not sure what he meant at the time but then again I was just getting over the shock of his being Felv positive and wasn't paying much attention. Lynne - Original Message - From: Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Need help-seeking forever home for feluk positive cat I know that the party line is that they shouldn't be vaccinated, and I've always understood that. But I know of a vet in Oklahoma who *did* advocate vaccinating FELVs as a part of enhancing the immune response. Surprised me, but the cats I got were from that project were 10 years old and healthy. I have not continued the vaccinating. 2 of them since died, once immediately after transport to Arkansas, the other one died last year after I came back from vacation. The other 2 are still with me (and maybe 12-13 years old.) Ya never know... Gloria On Aug 6, 2008, at 3:40 PM, Sabrina wrote: She will be vaxed, checked out, and spayed before she is rehomed. Can you get around vaxing her? If she is FeLV+, she should NOT be vaccinated. Only healthy, virus-free animals should be vaccinated. Check your vaccine manufacturer's directions. This is what my vaccine (Intervet Protex-3) says on the label: Only healthy animals should be vaccinated. Animals incubating any disease, or animals stressed due to shipping, malnutrition or parasitism may not achieve or maintain an adequate immune response. Her immune system is being taxed by the virus, she does not need further challenges to her immune system. Contrary to popular belief, vaccines are NOT harmless. Sabrina www.Pet-Sitter-Pro.com www.LovingGraceRescue.org Orange County, CA ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 3301 (20080727) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] No vaxes?
My vet neutered BooBoo and would not vaccinate him. He said if he had survived he may have in the future but even then it would not be the standard vaccines but something he would have to order in. Lynne - Original Message - From: Jennifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 8:12 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] No vaxes? So wait...my Ash is FeLV+ and getting neutered on the 28th, but he's going in for all his shots on the 14th. He needs to be fixed because he's spraying and I can't have that. He can't be fixed without his vaxes. What should I do? Jennifer - PROUD VEGETARIAN LOCAL SPCA VOLUNTEER. Be their voice. ~ loving mama to ~ Morrison (born Oct. 10, 2000) Isobel aka Fat Girl (born Feb. 7, 2007) Ash (born July 11, 2007, diagnosed FeLV+ July 28, 2008) --- On Wed, 8/6/08, Sabrina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Sabrina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Need help-seeking forever home for feluk positive cat To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 8:40 PM She will be vaxed, checked out, and spayed before she is rehomed. Can you get around vaxing her? If she is FeLV+, she should NOT be vaccinated. Only healthy, virus-free animals should be vaccinated. Check your vaccine manufacturer's directions. This is what my vaccine (Intervet Protex-3) says on the label: Only healthy animals should be vaccinated. Animals incubating any disease, or animals stressed due to shipping, malnutrition or parasitism may not achieve or maintain an adequate immune response. Her immune system is being taxed by the virus, she does not need further challenges to her immune system. Contrary to popular belief, vaccines are NOT harmless. Sabrina www.Pet-Sitter-Pro.com www.LovingGraceRescue.org Orange County, CA ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 3301 (20080727) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Thank you to everyone on this list.
Wonderful news Sue. I so hope he continues to improve and fight this along with you. How is he feeling by the way? Lynne - Original Message - From: Sue Koren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FeLV Talk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 11:41 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Thank you to everyone on this list. I just spoke with Dr. Tom about Buzzy's latest bloodwork. He has gone from 8 when he was first diagnosed to 11 last Tuesday and Saturday he was 18. It is because of the advise of the people on this list that I demanded the Doxycycline from the vet. The Doxycycline in combination with the prednesone that Dr. Tom put him on has ment that Buzz still has his life. He will be loved and spoiled for as much time as he has, and here's hoping it is years! Thank you everyone! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 3301 (20080727) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Furry Laura update ?'s
I agree with you 100% Laura. If she's enjoying her food that much she must be feeling good and if she gets fat so what. We wouldn't want to stress or upset her by taking away food. A far worse problem is trying to force feed them when they're wasting away. Lynne - Original Message - From: Laura B [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 8:54 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Furry Laura update ?'s Hi All, I've been reading through this list, lots of great information! Been trying to chime in but having trouble keeping up with the fast pace lately, you are all very chatty :) Anyway, Laura, my FeLV + kitty is doing wonderfully. She had several days of loose stool, a few weeks back and I think it was from the vetri-science treats that I was giving her, they had lysine (she has herpes) and DMG in them. Once I stopped them, she firmed back up again. She's gained quite a bit of weight, my neighbor/pet sitter (who visits Laura daily) thinks it might be a bit too much. But honestly I think having a little bit of extra insulalation is good for her, gives her more of a buffer if she should become sick. What do you all think? She's not fat, but she is very solid and borderline a little chunky. She looks great, all of her fur has grown back (she had alot of bald patches when I got her) and her coat is shiny and dense. She eats a full can and 1/2 of wellness per day (5.5 oz can) plus I free feed dry wellness for her. Since I currently have a very sick 14 year old, who won't eat, I'm just thrilled that Laura's appetite is so healthy, maybe it's too much, but again, I think she needs a little extra meat on her on bones. Thanks in advance for any comments, Laura ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 3301 (20080727) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] a decision
I'm faced with another horrible decision. Our 19 year old should be leaving this world and I just can't deal with this. He is pretty much deaf, weak, frail yet eats like a piggy. But now he is not using his litter box all the time and is peeing just about everywhere. We have put litter boxes in every room, not the nicest thing for people who come over to have to see but I don't care about that. Last night he pooped in one and then pooped on the floor. He won't sit on our laps anymore. I've tried so hard to stimulate him by picking him up, grooming him, talking to him and there is just a blank stare like he isn't really in that body anymore. I just can't tell if he enjoys living or wants it to end. I wish they were allowed to talk just once in their lives so we could know for sure. Lynne___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] a decision
Thanks Marylyn and Sally. I have never heard of an animal communicator. And no Sally I haven't taken him to the vet. We agreed though that we are going to before making a decision. My husband said he got so angry last night for what Lennie had done but says he doesn't want to have him put down if we can make some changes that may help him. I gave my husband a good lashing about getting angry about a poor old senile guy not knowing what he's doing and reminded him that there may come a day that he craps himself and hopefully no one will get angry at him. He's always been very close to Len, and I know he doesn't want to lose him. SO we are going to make an appointment to have him checked out and see if there is anything to help him. The only problem is, you know yourself that some vets will order every test ever invented and prescribe a ton of medication that honestly serves no purpose. I can almost predict what Len's vet will do. Prednisone and antibiotics, more blood work maybe even an x-ray. I've practically broke the bank with BooBoo, Snowy and Len. Still, we'll take him in for treatment and work on making a plan to help with mistakes at night. AND I am going to search around to see if there is an animal communicator in my area. Again, thanks girls for the advice. Lynne - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 10:43 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a decision Some people, including me, contact animal communicators when faced with problems. If you are open to this, try it and what rings true to your heartnot your mind but your heart. On Aug 2, 2008, at 9:33 AM, Lynne wrote: I'm faced with another horrible decision. Our 19 year old should be leaving this world and I just can't deal with this. He is pretty much deaf, weak, frail yet eats like a piggy. But now he is not using his litter box all the time and is peeing just about everywhere. We have put litter boxes in every room, not the nicest thing for people who come over to have to see but I don't care about that. Last night he pooped in one and then pooped on the floor. He won't sit on our laps anymore. I've tried so hard to stimulate him by picking him up, grooming him, talking to him and there is just a blank stare like he isn't really in that body anymore. I just can't tell if he enjoys living or wants it to end. I wish they were allowed to talk just once in their lives so we could know for sure. Lynne ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 3301 (20080727) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 3301 (20080727) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] a decision
Thanks again Marylyn. I had just sat down to do some googling for Len. We have a nice back room, the laundry room, just redid it with easily cleanable flooring so we've decided that will be his night time room. We're also able to leave the patio door open enough for him to go out there but not wide enough that intruders could get in. The patio is screened in and he enjoys being out there during the day. It's at night when the problems arise, kind of like my mom was with Alzheimer's. | want to do some searching about medications too, perhaps sedative and/or calming type products. I have cat nip growing all over the place but neither of our cats care about the stuff. I am also going to look for the Feliway. It's certainly worth a try. We're not going to give up on him yet. I just don't think it's quite the time. Lynne - Original Message - From: Marylyn Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 1:18 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a decision On Aug 2, 2008, at 12:17 PM, Marylyn wrote: Can you confine him to an area where he will cause no harm? Perhaps try some sort of sedatives or catnip or ? to relieve whatever anxieties he may have? I am a big believer in Feliway and Rescue Remedy. This is assuming he is having some problems because of anxiety and/or is picking up on your anxiety over the problems. Just ideas. If there are no a/cs in your area, most will consult by phone. Here is the emails of two I know personally: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ann Baumbach) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Judy Guetig Greenberg). You can email them and ask questions re their qualifications, prices, etc. There are wonderful articles on the internet if you Google for them. This is a website that has some information on it: http://www.horizonvetserv.com You can do this yourself but you may find that you are too close to the situation. As always, I am putting this on the table. Take what works for you and leave the rest. If none of it feels right to you, do not feel bad. We are all on our own paths and they are not the same. Good luck. On Aug 2, 2008, at 10:27 AM, Lynne wrote: Thanks Marylyn and Sally. I have never heard of an animal communicator. And no Sally I haven't taken him to the vet. We agreed though that we are going to before making a decision. My husband said he got so angry last night for what Lennie had done but says he doesn't want to have him put down if we can make some changes that may help him. I gave my husband a good lashing about getting angry about a poor old senile guy not knowing what he's doing and reminded him that there may come a day that he craps himself and hopefully no one will get angry at him. He's always been very close to Len, and I know he doesn't want to lose him. SO we are going to make an appointment to have him checked out and see if there is anything to help him. The only problem is, you know yourself that some vets will order every test ever invented and prescribe a ton of medication that honestly serves no purpose. I can almost predict what Len's vet will do. Prednisone and antibiotics, more blood work maybe even an x-ray. I've practically broke the bank with BooBoo, Snowy and Len. Still, we'll take him in for treatment and work on making a plan to help with mistakes at night. AND I am going to search around to see if there is an animal communicator in my area. Again, thanks girls for the advice. Lynne __ NOD32 3301 (20080727) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 3301 (20080727) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] a decision
I've just called three vet places and none of them carry Feliway. I also called a PetSmart and they told me they are no longer able to carry it, just vets. I may have to order it online. But I will try some fresh catnip. That I have no problem in finding. Before I go to bed at night with Snowball I always spritz the pillows with lavender because it is a calming herb. I swear Snowball enjoys it as much as I do. I somehow don't picture Len as a lavender guy but who knows. I'll try anything. Lynne - Original Message - From: Marylyn Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a decision On Aug 2, 2008, at 12:51 PM, Marylyn wrote: You are listening to your heart. This is good. Try some fresh catnip now that he is having problems. Tastes change and a few leaves won't hurt a thing. On Aug 2, 2008, at 12:32 PM, Lynne wrote: Thanks again Marylyn. I had just sat down to do some googling for Len. We have a nice back room, the laundry room, just redid it with easily cleanable flooring so we've decided that will be his night time room. We're also able to leave the patio door open enough for him to go out there but not wide enough that intruders could get in. The patio is screened in and he enjoys being out there during the day. It's at night when the problems arise, kind of like my mom was with Alzheimer's. | want to do some searching about medications too, perhaps sedative and/or calming type products. I have cat nip growing all over the place but neither of our cats care about the stuff. I am also going to look for the Feliway. It's certainly worth a try. We're not going to give up on him yet. I just don't think it's quite the time. Lynne - Original Message - From: Marylyn Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 1:18 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a decision __ NOD32 3301 (20080727) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 3301 (20080727) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 3301 (20080727) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 3301 (20080727) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] a decision
Thank you Wendy. I don't think he's dehydrated. He has always been a water lover. Bob changes his water several times a day when I'm at work so he always has fresh water. Len always drinks after he eats. I think it's a pretty simple matter of senile dementia. I swear it's like watching my mom die all over again, only he's a cat. The wasting away is so familiar. If he were to stop eating and drinking we'd be off to the vet in a flash for the inevitable. For now I think we will just try keeping him as comfortable as we can, pay a lot of attention to him and watch him closely. Snowy knows he'a not well and always steps aside if he is coming toward her. The other night we were out in the grass and to show you how hard it is for Len to make a decision, Snowy was laying in his path and rather than walk around, he stopped, looked confused and proceded to walk over top of her. She just watched in amazement. The poor old guy. Lynne - Original Message - From: wendy To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 2:00 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a decision Hi Lynne, I am so sorry that your kitty isn't doing well. Do you think he's dehydrated at all? Because if he is, subQ fluids will make him feel better until it is time to go. I know how torturous it is to go through this waiting period, so please be very kind and gentle with yourself. You can deal with this, and I know you want to for your kitty's sake. Praying for strength for you. Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ I'm faced with another horrible decision. Our 19 year old should be leaving this world and I just can't deal with this. He is pretty much deaf, weak, frail yet eats like a piggy. But now he is not using his litter box all the time and is peeing just about everywhere. We have put litter boxes in every room, not the nicest thing for people who come over to have to see but I don't care about that. Last night he pooped in one and then pooped on the floo r. He won't sit on our laps anymore. I've tried so hard to stimulate him by picking him up, grooming him, talking to him and there is just a blank stare like he isn't really in that body anymore. I just can't tell if he enjoys living or wants it to end. I wish they were allowed to talk just once in their lives so we could know for sure. Lynne __ NOD32 3301 (20080727) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 3301 (20080727) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] a decision
Really? I make linen spray with the smallest amount of lavender essential oil for it's aromatic effect only. It's known to be calming and also good for headaches. Snowy never gets any on her directly, we just like going to bed with the nice scent in the air. I will read up on that however. But for now I'm going to order the Feliway. Lynne - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: Marylyn Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 2:44 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a decision On Aug 2, 2008, at 1:36 PM, Marylyn wrote: Be very careful with lavender. There is something in the essential oil that is poisonous to cats. Or so my holistic vet, who is an expert in cats, says. http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?url=search-alias=apsfield-keywords=feliwayx=15y=19 This is the amazon.com link for Feliway. I cannot imagine vets not carrying it. Oh well. On Aug 2, 2008, at 1:01 PM, Lynne wrote: I've just called three vet places and none of them carry Feliway. I also called a PetSmart and they told me they are no longer able to carry it, just vets. I may have to order it online. But I will try some fresh catnip. That I have no problem in finding. Before I go to bed at night with Snowball I always spritz the pillows with lavender because it is a calming herb. I swear Snowball enjoys it as much as I do. I somehow don't picture Len as a lavender guy but who knows. I'll try anything. Lynne __ NOD32 3301 (20080727) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 3301 (20080727) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] OT Dementia
No I haven't Sally but I will now. Thanks Lynne - Original Message - From: Sally Davis To: FeLV Talk Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 2:48 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] OT Dementia Lynne I am sure you have already googled it, but these seemed to be a reasonanle expaination of Feline dementia. I am always learning http://cat-care.suite101.com/article.cfm/does_your_cat_have_alzheimers I too have emailed an animal communicator I used during the time when I lost so many kitties to feline leukemia. It was a great comfort. It has been almost two years since I emailed her, so hopefully she uses the same email address. Sally On 8/2/08, Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior(angel), Tiny(angel) Fluffy(soulmate angel), Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior (newest) I call him JJ , Silver, and Spike Please Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are welcome to sign up. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3 -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 3301 (20080727) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] info please
Hi, can someone tell me how to contact the moderator of the group? Thanks Lynne___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] info please
Thank you Debbie. It worked. Lynne - Original Message - From: Debbie Harrison To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 8:17 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] info please I hope this is correct...I had it saved James G. Wilson - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.felineleukemia.org (FeLV Research Support) http://www.myspace.com/wilsonjamesg (My Space Page) Debbie -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 08:06:45 -0400 Subject: [Felvtalk] info please Hi, can someone tell me how to contact the moderator of the group? Thanks Lynne -- Explore the seven wonders of the world Learn more! __ NOD32 3301 (20080727) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 3301 (20080727) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Buzz anemia update
I'm glad to hear Buzz is eating Sue and getting his medication. I truly hope things take a turn for the better with him and he gets to spend a longer time with you. But if it isn't meant to be, you and he just keep on enjoying that fresh air out on the deck and every minute you have together. My husband would put BooBoo inside his jacket and take him out for fresh air when he was with us. I so wanted him to live til the spring so he could sit out on the patio and watch the birds and enjoy the warmth. It still saddens me so much to think of his loss, even though we're now blessed with Snowball. I know what you are going through with all the confusion, treatments, hope for a good outcome and I commend you for you love of this little guy. Lynne - Original Message - From: Sue Frank Koren To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 7:21 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Buzz anemia update Hello everyone - Today I got doxycycline from the vet. It came in 50mg capsules which I have to open up and divide in two. I mix half with water and give it to Buzzy in a syringe. Half a capsule every 12 hours. Tomorrow he goes for some kind of protein test and possibly set him up with a specialist for a transfusion. When I questioned the vet she said his anemia is not the non-regenerative kind. Doesn't that mean there is more hope? He is still eating fairly well. I have cooked him chicken, and I am mixing some vitamins in with tuna. I feed him a little bit as often as I can; he seems to eat more that way. In a little while I will take him out on the deck to sit in my lap for a while. He loves smelling the fresh air. I hope this message goes through to the list, this is my fourth try. Thanks for all the help, more suggestions are still appreciated. Sue __ NOD32 3301 (20080727) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 3301 (20080727) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Buzzy is Anemic
I'm sorry to hear Buzz is not feeling well Sue and the fact he is anemic. Do you have any info about his platelet count? His quick breathing could be due to the anemia. My Boo had a heart murmer as does our 19 year old. I never worried much about that. Heck I have one too and it doesn't make a difference in my life. My vet offered a blood transfusion even when we were in a hopeless situation and as I recall it wasn't that expensive a procedure. Before going to any extremes I would get a complete explanation of all of his blood work. I remember when I showed this doc in the building Boos blood work he called his vet who told me to let him go. Of course we didn't and spent several hundred dollars more trying to keep him alive. I'm sorry to sound hopeless here but there are some instances where nothing will work. I sometimes think we put BooBoo through hell trying to keep him alive and should not have. Lynne - Original Message - From: Sue Koren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FeLV Talk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 12:37 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Buzzy is Anemic Buzz has a red blood count of 8, the vet says it should be 30. She gave him a steriod shot. She says we could choose to give him a transfusion but that would only be a temporary fix and very expensive. He also has a bad heart murmer. Right now I am just trying to by time to look into optiions. I am very much against making a cat go through a lot of painful procedures just to buy a month or two. They just don't understand why you are doing it to them. Why can't cats take iron pills like anemic humans do? So many questions... Thanks, Sue ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 3299 (20080725) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] like seeing a ghost
Most of you know about my experience with BooBoo, the Felv positive who died after owning him for only a month. It was without a doubt the most tragic thing I have ever been through in my life.. Not long after that we got a rescued persian Snowball who was neglected and in foster care for 4 months because she was so ill. She has feline herpes virus, not active and is absolutely thriving now. Tonight my husband calls me out to the front yard, and who is sitting there? BooBoo's son. I don't know if he is Felv positive or not. Just as BooBoo was, he has sores on his head, matted fur, dirty ears and most likely fleas. I feel like I'm experiencing our tragedy all over again. If I knew he was not positive, I would take him inside right now and those despicable people would never see him again. Odd how he has chosen our house to hang around. The owners were warned about taking care of their cats and I know all I have to do is call this field worker at the humane society and he will come and pick him up. I just don't know what to do. I could never subject Snowball to any harm, not after what she went through prior to living with us but I don't want to see this little guy suffer either. If this kitty is Felv positive, perhaps a rescue would take him. I simply could not afford the emotional and financial devestation we experienced watching BooBoo die. I'm totally confused right now. Lynne___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] like seeing a ghost
My husband and I have agreed that if he continues to hang around here for a bit longer my husband is going to put him in the back porch and call this guy we know who investigated the owner after we lost Boo. He has no sympathy for them whatsoever and would take the cat away. If he tests negative for Felv I will adopt him if that is an option. He has been neutered, something they had refused to do with Boo and with their female so maybe the field worker did impress them somewhat. Whether he has been vaccinated is another story. I could not subject Snowy to him if he were positive as much as I would love to have him. He isn't the sweetest of cats, the little buggar was rubbing his face all over mine then bit me on the hand, quite nastily I might add. He isn't as pretty as BooBoo but still is pretty darn cute. Lynne - Original Message - From: Pat Kachur To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 6:59 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] like seeing a ghost It seems to me that this little guy is at your place for a reason. He obviously needs help! Could you just take him to a vet and have his sores, matts, fleas taken care of--and have him tested. He may be negative. If it were me, I'd just have to know! So glad that Snowball is thrivingyou've done a wonderful job with her. - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 6:20 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] like seeing a ghost Most of you know about my experience with BooBoo, the Felv positive who died after owning him for only a month. It was without a doubt the most tragic thing I have ever been through in my life.. Not long after that we got a rescued persian Snowball who was neglected and in foster care for 4 months because she was so ill. She has feline herpes virus, not active and is absolutely thriving now. Tonight my husband calls me out to the front yard, and who is sitting there? BooBoo's son. I don't know if he is Felv positive or not. Just as BooBoo was, he has sores on his head, matted fur, dirty ears and most likely fleas. I feel like I'm experiencing our tragedy all over again. If I knew he was not positive, I would take him inside right now and those despicable people would never see him again. Odd how he has chosen our house to hang around. The owners were warned about taking care of their cats and I know all I have to do is call this field worker at the humane society and he will come and pick him up. I just don't know what to do. I could never subject Snowball to any harm, not after what she went through prior to living with us but I don't want to see this little guy suffer either. If this kitty is Felv positive, perhaps a rescue would take him. I simply could not afford the emotional and financial devestation we experienced watching BooBoo die. I'm totally confused right now. Lynne ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 3296 (20080724) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 3296 (20080724) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] like seeing a ghost
Oh absolutely Sabrina. Lynne - Original Message - From: Sabrina To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 7:26 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] like seeing a ghost Hi Lynne, Well, regardless of whether you want to take him, you should at least call the field worker because from what you are describing, this kitty has obviously been neglected! Sabrina www.Pet-Sitter-Pro.com www.LovingGraceRescue.org Orange County, CA -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 3296 (20080724) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] like seeing a ghost
Michelle, when I purchased Boo I was told he had his vaccinations. I loved this cat so much I just wanted him at any cost and didn't bother asking for proof. When we took him to our vet to be cleaned up we found out he was positive. From that point on it was all downhill. Within 2 weeks we were taking him to have his lungs aspirated because he couldn't breathe. He was put on interferon but the vet had told me it was probably too late. He was scheduled for a blood transfusion but didn't make it to that point. I was so hurt and angry I called the Humane Society and told the field worker that they were selling all of their Himilayans because the owner could no longer take care of them due to illness and I was worried about other people running into the same problem as we did. He investigated them and told them they were responsible for informing any other new owners of the possibility of their cats being infected. I don't know what happened. He did come to my place as well to see our Snowy as is their policy to make sure we were suitable owners. He was not at all happy with Boo's owners as they played ignorance and basically accused us of causing his problems and insisted he was healthy when we got him. Well he wasn't and I'm certain they knew this. I will call this man and tell him what is going on and he will go and see them. He warned them he would be back. I have seen this cat in the window almost daily on my way to work but obviously they have let him out and he has been in fights. Boo was a very gentle smallish guy and no doubt got the disease from another cat in the neighborhood. Honestly if this cat were to test positive he would be better off dead than to live with them. They do not believe in vets and he would die a horrible death like Boo did. Our humane society has loosened their policy of euthanizing all positives and some of the shelters now take them. This cat seems to be quite frisky and definitely needs to be groomed and have his nails trimmed for sure. I will not let him wonder the neighborhood and like I mentioned, if he comes around again my husband has decided to call the field worker, have him tested and I'm betting we could have him if we wanted. I will call this man tomorrow and let him know what's happening. He will pay a visit to them and examine the cat. He has to if I lodge a complaint. I live in Ontario Canada and most of the shelters in my city are full so if he is positive I'm not sure what would happen to him. I can only pray he isn't and just needs a good home where people take care of him. Lynne - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 9:51 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] like seeing a ghost Hi Lynne, It sounds like the poor guy really needs some medical attention. Is he tame? Where do you live? Is there any way you can keep him in a pen or something and just get him tested for Felv? If he is positive he could spread it to all the other cats in the neighborhood. If you consider getting him tested I can help you find a rescue that will take him. If he is not positive than you can keep him if you want. If those people have any other animals I think you should call the Humane Society and have their animals removed. -- Michele -- Original message -- From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Lynne, There is a reason you're seeing this little fellow, and I'm sure it's to help. But give yourself a little time to breath and make the decision on how to handle the situation, especially considering what you went through with BooBoo. It doesn't sound like you need to make the decision right away. Give it a little time and it will come to you. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 5:20:32 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] like seeing a ghost Most of you know about my experience with BooBoo, the Felv positive who died after owning him for only a month. It was without a doubt the most tragic thing I have ever been through in my life.. Not long after that we got a rescued persian Snowball who was neglected and in foster care for 4 months because she was so ill. She has feline herpes virus, not active and is absolutely thriving now. Tonight my husband calls me out to the front yard, and who is sitting there? BooBoo's son. I don't know if he is Felv positive or not. Just as BooBoo was, he has sores on his head, matted fur, dirty ears and most likely fleas. I feel like I'm experiencing our tragedy all over again. If I knew he was not positive, I would take him inside right now
Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem
Our 19 year old was diagnosed with this almost a year ago. He hasn't gained any weight back from what I can tell but he had suffered from itchy skin which has resolved since putting him on medication. He has very little muscle mass on him and is generally having issues associated with being very old: senility, deafness etc, but we think being on thyroid medication has helped him a lot. We have the pharmacy make it into a transdermal which is easily given to him inside his ears. He thinks he's getting an ear massage and enjoys it. As for it not being as effective, our vet felt the pills would be better, but the pharmacist explained to me the difference between the two and in her opinion the transdermal way is more effective. She's an aminal pharmacist as well as a human one so I trust her. I divide the dose in two and give it to him twice a day. Lynne - Original Message - From: Diane Rosenfeldt To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 6:42 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem LOL, MC! But absolutely correctamundo. At one point we had two hyper-t cats, and they took the same pills (tapezole/methimazole) in different dosages. We used to keep whole, half and quarter pills pre-cut in 3 separate pill bottles. Pill splitting day was like an exercise in higher math... I can't imagine a vet not knowing about hyper-t in cats!! But the upside is it's pretty treatable and the pills aren't outrageously expensive, if you go the pill route. I understand it can also be compounded into a cream and rubbed onto their ears but my vet doesn't think it's as effective that way. Diane R. -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MaryChristine Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 3:55 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem okay, everyone, in harmony now, GET A NEW VET! it's a major problem now that cats are living long enough for it to manifest! if you like the vet, keep him for vaccinations and things, but if he doesn't know about this yet, he's not whom you need for your dear. as ever, objectively yours, MC On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 4:52 PM, Debbie Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Question...is hyper-t hyper thyroid??? It is what I suspected with my Baby Ruben...but the vet says cats don't get thatI tried to argue the point, but she wouldn't listen... Debbie (COL) You gotta bloom where you're planted! Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 08:26:08 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem My cat Shaft has lost nearly half his body weight. Everyone here has been so sick I just didn't realize it until a few weeks ago (a few days before I was leaving for a week's vacation). I got him into the vet suspecting hyper-t as soon as I got back. That's what it was. The vet detected a heart murmer as well. He is an estimated 18 years old. He had a fever and the vet put him on some amoxy for that, as well as the tapazole, of course. Problem. He now hides and I have to chase him around to get any med.s down him. I've given up on everything except the tapazole and he still hides. Should I stress him out with the chase down? Crate him for a while? He doesn't seem to be gaining ANY weight, and I have an appt. with vet again on Monday. We were supposed to wait a month, but he's getting worse, not better. Does anyone have the link to join the hyper-t group or any other advice? I am quickly losing my mind. la la la la. t Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! Try it! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine __ NOD32 3282 (20080719) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 3282 (20080719) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: Jaws Please add to the CLS :(
Ah, I'm sorry Sherry. The poor little dear. Lynne - Original Message - From: Sherry DeHaan To: Felvtalk Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 8:54 PM Subject: Jaws Please add to the CLS :( I tried to send this Wednesday the 9th but it never went throgh. First of ll thank you all soo much for prayers and good thoughts for ALL of the wonderful fur babies that I havre the honor to love no matter how long or short of a time we have with them. Today Dr. Jen had to let sweet wonderful Jaws have peace.This little guy won over everyones hearts instantly.He was brought in in bad shape after getting caught in a car fan.His jaw was cut to the bone and broken.He had the cutest crooked snaggle tooth grin.And when I woul hold him he would hug me close with his cute little white paws.And he would rub his face on my chin.He will be missed by many. :( Sherry -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: Smokey update
Kathryn what Smokey is going through sounds totally like the feline herpes virus, not really related to the leukemia problem. It of course can affect animals with a comprimised immune system and stress is the biggest contributor. If he is recovering nicely from this then I would think there is great hope for him. I thought once a cat had herpes they weren't immunized against it but I was wrong. My little girl got her shot before she was turned over to us and after she recovered from her health problems. I don't honestly know if they give this to Felv positive cats as mine didn't live long enough to find out. I guess it's like a flu shot and may lessen the severity of an outbreak. I know what you're going through, the highs and the lows. It can be a totally exhausting experience emotionally. As for emergency vets I can only speak of the one we had to go to on two occasions and in both instances we came home without our cats. I don't trust them but sometimes you have no choice. Keep us updated on Snokey's health. I think we all feel we have a stake in each and everyone of these little guys. Lynne - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 10:10 AM Subject: Re: Smokey update Hi Everyone, I had a real scare with Smokey over the weekend. I thought I was loosing him and I didn't even know if an emergency vet would treat him because of his disease. Do they?The good news is that I didn't need to find out, he's snapped out of it. I've been treating him for an upper respiratory problem and an eye infection. He also has ulcers on his mouth, poor boy! The little cat is a wreck, but he appears to have turned the corner. As of today, his mouth is healing, his eye isn't running and his breathing is nor mal. I do not want to get my hopes up too much, but I sure do want the little boy to stay with me. I can't believe how many tears I have shed for a little guy I've known less then two weeks. He's just so sweet. Is it normal for them to snap back so quickly? Is this a good sign that he might live a while? My vet says that he could live a few years and has even emailed me outdoor enclosures to look at. He was a stray and longs to be outside, so it would be nice for him to go outside once in a while. I really appreciate this site. It's wonderful to hear from people who know about this and also who understand. As with my horse, (he's a rescue, too) most of my friends think I am nuts for taking on this little cat. Thank you for listening, Kathryn -Original Message- From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 7:33 am Subject: Re: Welcome, Kathryn I didn't get your original email Kathryn. Welcome to ghe group. Is your cat showing any symptoms? How old is he? tonya Diane Rosenfeldt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You've come to a great place for information and support. Others have much more experience with these babies, but I can tell you that diet and stress control are paramount. If you can give your new guy (what's his name?) the best food possible and keep him as happy as possible, that's a great first step. You can also supplement his diet with L-lysine (from natural food stores, without the addit ives found in the kind you find in most drugstores, which is toxic to cats). Make sure your vet is knowledgeable on FeLV -- if he/she didn't immediately suggest euthanasia, that's a good sign. If he/she isn't, look around for one who is. Some people here like holistic vets, if there are some in your area, in addition to their regular vet. There's no way to know how long any of them will last. Some people here have kitties who have lived long and well with FeLV, and then there are some (like my Patches, who came to me as a stray, too, who only stayed with me six weeks.) What's important is to enjoy him every minute he's with you, fight the good fight together, but know when it's time to let go. Not easy, but doable. Go od luck with your guy. Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 9:50 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Melina Please add to the CLS :( I am very sorry to hear of the passing of Melina. I am new to this site and really know nothing of this terrible disease. I have recently (just bringing him home from the vets today) adopted the sweetest little boy who sadly has this virus. He showed up a few days ago as a stray. My husband and I fell in love with him and took him to the vet for shots, etc. Sadly, we were informed that he has tested positive. I really do not know what this means. Any information will be greatly appreciated. I especially would like to know what I can
Re: Welcome, Kathryn
I wonder if Smokey has feline herpes virus, not that it makes much of a difference in light of his other problems. My Snowy, a rescue cat, was diagnosed with that and before she was released to us both of her eyes were terribly infected, one being left with scarring, and a URI. Again, stress brings outbreaks on. Fortunately she hasn't had one since we've had her. I doubt she will either as she's the most indulged, spoiled cat on the planet. I commend you for your dedication to and love of these less fortunate creatures. Life with you will be the best thing that could ever happen to dear Smokey. Lynne - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 10:40 PM Subject: Re: Welcome, Kathryn Thank you all for the information. Right now he does have an eye infection and a little upper respiratory issue that we are dealing with . We don't know if it's the disease or if it's just from being neglected. He really loves to sit on my lap and be petted and seems to be pretty relaxed. He also is eating well, loves canned food, which I am giving him plenty of. I know that might not be good for him, however, I want him to enjoy his life for as long as he can. I have dogs ( 2 rescues) which pose a little problem for us. I haven't introduced them yet, I'm waiting because I don't want to stress Smokey out. I really hope he's one of those guys that will live a few years. My vet, who never suggested putting him down, says that it is possible. She's been very supportive. You are all correct with the expense though, I've had him only about a week and I've all ready spent about $500 with another $200 for shots and such coming up next week. It's worth it if I can make a difference in his life. I also ha ve two horses. One is a rescue with ringbone. My large animal vet did not want me to get Monty, but I didn't listen and it was the best decision I ever made regarding my pets. I'm sure little Smokey will bring me as much joy as my horse Monty has. I will keep you all posted on Smokey's progress. I really appreciate everyone's support. Kathryn -Original Message- From: Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 6:07 pm Subject: Re: Welcome, Kathryn I totally agree with everything Diane has said Kathryn. Good food and a stress free life are probably the two most important things you can do for your little one. Of course if he becomes ill hopefully he can be treated with medication. It can all be a tremendous expense once they become ill. I would suggest you have blood work done to try and get an idea of what you are dealing with here. When we had that done I got 3 opinions, all telling me it wa s a hopeless situation and very grim. That didn't stop us from trying other methods of treatment but in the end the disease won. I don't regret for one moment the expense of trying to save our little guy who was only with us for one month but you have to be realistic when or if he starts to really deteriorate. Our cat was 4 when we got him and was already quite advanced with the disease, unknown to us until that first trip to our vet but if your kitty is healthy and active he may very well live a good long life. Many on this group have had their cats do just that. I truly hope yours will be one of these long time survivors. Don't let it make you crazy though. I think my constant worry and sadness over our little one's illness didn't help him any. Best of luck to you. Lynne - Original Message - From: Diane Rosenfeldt To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 1:35 PM Subject: Welcome, Kathryn You've come to a great place for information and support. Others have much more experience with these babies, but I can tell you that diet and stress control are paramount. If you can give your new guy (what's his name?) the best food possible and keep him as happy as possible, that's a great first step. You can also supplement his diet with L-lysine (from natural food stores, without the addit ives found in the kind you find in most drugstores, which is toxic to cats). Make sure your vet is knowledgeable on FeLV -- if he/she didn't immediately suggest euthanasia, that's a good sign. If he/she isn't, look around for one who is. Some people here like holistic vets, if there are some in your area, in addition to their regular vet. There's no way to know how long any of them will last. Some people here have kitties who have lived long and well with FeLV, and then there are some (like my Patches, who came to me as a stray, too, who only stayed with me six weeks.) What's important is to enjoy him every minute he's with you, fight the good fight together, but know when it's time to let go. Not easy, but doable. Go od luck with your guy. Diane R
Re: Welcome, Kathryn
I totally agree with everything Diane has said Kathryn. Good food and a stress free life are probably the two most important things you can do for your little one. Of course if he becomes ill hopefully he can be treated with medication. It can all be a tremendous expense once they become ill. I would suggest you have blood work done to try and get an idea of what you are dealing with here. When we had that done I got 3 opinions, all telling me it was a hopeless situation and very grim. That didn't stop us from trying other methods of treatment but in the end the disease won. I don't regret for one moment the expense of trying to save our little guy who was only with us for one month but you have to be realistic when or if he starts to really deteriorate. Our cat was 4 when we got him and was already quite advanced with the disease, unknown to us until that first trip to our vet but if your kitty is healthy and active he may very well live a good long life. Many on this group have had their cats do just that. I truly hope yours will be one of these long time survivors. Don't let it make you crazy though. I think my constant worry and sadness over our little one's illness didn't help him any. Best of luck to you. Lynne - Original Message - From: Diane Rosenfeldt To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 1:35 PM Subject: Welcome, Kathryn You've come to a great place for information and support. Others have much more experience with these babies, but I can tell you that diet and stress control are paramount. If you can give your new guy (what's his name?) the best food possible and keep him as happy as possible, that's a great first step. You can also supplement his diet with L-lysine (from natural food stores, without the additives found in the kind you find in most drugstores, which is toxic to cats). Make sure your vet is knowledgeable on FeLV -- if he/she didn't immediately suggest euthanasia, that's a good sign. If he/she isn't, look around for one who is. Some people here like holistic vets, if there are some in your area, in addition to their regular vet. There's no way to know how long any of them will last. Some people here have kitties who have lived long and well with FeLV, and then there are some (like my Patches, who came to me as a stray, too, who only stayed with me six weeks.) What's important is to enjoy him every minute he's with you, fight the good fight together, but know when it's time to let go. Not easy, but doable. Good luck with your guy. Diane R. -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 9:50 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Melina Please add to the CLS :( I am very sorry to hear of the passing of Melina. I am new to this site and really know nothing of this terrible disease. I have recently (just bringing him home from the vets today) adopted the sweetest little boy who sadly has this virus. He showed up a few days ago as a stray. My husband and I fell in love with him and took him to the vet for shots, etc. Sadly, we were informed that he has tested positive. I really do not know what this means. Any information will be greatly appreciated. I especially would like to know what I can do to keep him well for as long as possible. The vet suggests Vitamin C. Any information will be greatly appreciated. Sincerely, Kathryn -Original Message- From: Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 8:20 pm Subject: Re: Melina Please add to the CLS :( I'm so saddened Sherry that Melina couldn't rally yet another time. My heart honestly aches everytime I hear of another passing. It sometimes makes one wonder just how much a body can endure. But I guess the courage and trusting nature of these dear creatures makes it possible to go on. Lynne - Original Message - From: Sherry DeHaan To: Felvtalk Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 10:44 PM Subject: Melina Please add to the CLS :( First of all I want to thank all of you for your prayers and good thoughts for this beautiful baby.The aweful disease was way too much for her this time.She was a VERY spunky little girl.My heart aches without her in my life.I need to keep telling myself that I gave her so much love that she was happy until the end.I will miss her little loving head butts and rubbing her sweet face on mine.Ok now the tears are coming out. :( Once again thank you all so much for having to listen to all my sadness.But I also get ALOT of goodness out of these creatures. Sherry ___ Felvtalk
Re: Melina Please add to the CLS :(
I'm so saddened Sherry that Melina couldn't rally yet another time. My heart honestly aches everytime I hear of another passing. It sometimes makes one wonder just how much a body can endure. But I guess the courage and trusting nature of these dear creatures makes it possible to go on. Lynne - Original Message - From: Sherry DeHaan To: Felvtalk Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 10:44 PM Subject: Melina Please add to the CLS :( First of all I want to thank all of you for your prayers and good thoughts for this beautiful baby.The aweful disease was way too much for her this time.She was a VERY spunky little girl.My heart aches without her in my life.I need to keep telling myself that I gave her so much love that she was happy until the end.I will miss her little loving head butts and rubbing her sweet face on mine.Ok now the tears are coming out. :( Once again thank you all so much for having to listen to all my sadness.But I also get ALOT of goodness out of these creatures. Sherry -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: Prayers needed AGAIN
Prayers going up for Melina Sherry. Too many broken hearts this week. Lynne - Original Message - From: Sherry DeHaan To: Felvtalk Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 4:56 PM Subject: Prayers needed AGAIN Please can we get ALL the prayers and good thoughts for beautiful sweet Melina.Dr.Jen took her home with her to try and get her feeling better.She thinks that she may becoming septic.So she has started her on Doxy and Prednisone and will do a work up on her tomorrow.Please pray for this baby girl that won my heart the moment I saw her.I know in the long run the aweful felv will win. :( But maybe she can win just this one more time. THank you all so much Sherry -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: Sissy has joined Hobbs, 6/27/08
Heather, I don't even know how to respond to all this tragedy you and the others have been going through, except to say I'm so sorry and I feel some of your pain. The only comfort I get is knowing that these little dears must have known love in their final hours and somehow it made them happy. It makes me tear up just thinking of them. Lynne - Original Message - From: Heather Wienker To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 3:42 PM Subject: Sissy has joined Hobbs, 6/27/08 With much sadness, I wanted to share with everyone that Hobbs' sister, Sissy, has now joined him. The loss of her dear brother affected Sissy very much, which was to be expected as they were quite bonded, and she began to take a similar road as Hobbs did in his final days. Their people-Mom Jann had wanted to avoid Sissy suffering as she felt Hobbs did, and had planned for her to cross this morning, though unfortunately they had a very bad night, and stayed the night in the garage together, where Sissy had actually been spending a lot of time lately. I apologize that I haven't been active since the outpouring of support from you all regarding the loss of Hobbs, unfortunately the following week we lost another FELV+ rescue, Shennanigans (whom a friend in another city had given a home to for these last 3 months), and also a dear Torti rescue named Freckles who we found living in a woman's yard, very ill and with an old very uncomfortable injury. She was such a sweet, beautiful kitty and her spirit really touched us all very much, a rescue was assisting with her medical care but force feeding with her injury was very stressful for Freckles, and her caregiver, and given the severity of her illness (which prevented her from being a candidate for surgery for her long-healed injury, unless she made a remarkable recovery), they felt it was best to release her from her pain. I found out after the fact and have struggled with it ever since as I feel I didn't do enough for her, soon enough, and wonder if things could have been different. Shennanigans was a beautiful little charcoal grey long haired kitty whom we found outside at my vets, likely dumped around Febuary. She appeared to be only 4 - 5 months old, though we aren't really sure. The woman who she went to live with said her vet thought she might be older than we initially thought, she wasn't spayed when we found her and I still think she was a pretty young kitty. Her initial FELV test was a weak+. I really should have posted about Shennanigans here but was fairly numb with all of the loss.I was not the direct caregiver, but the rescuer, for these kitties so can only imagine what my friends have been going through as they loved them all dearly. Even if it was only for 3 months, I know Shennanigans spent those last 3 months sleeping in a bed with someone, though she was afraid of the other cats. What Jann did for Hobbs and Sissy, giving two little FELV+ kittens a home which is so hard to find, I will be eternally grateful for.I hate the pain it's caused her, yet she is such a giving soul and does nothing but thank me for entrusting her with their care and for the precious time she had with them over this last year. While I am always full of doubts as to how I handle things, I am so confident in the wonderful, loving happy lives they had with Jann, no matter how short. I just hate how painful the end has been. She still has their Mother, a double+ kitty I found at my new job with an eye ear injury, she has outlived all of her kittens--I found them all last April under a trailer behind my new office. I had moved accross campus after almost 20 years in the same building, and kept looking for a sign from God as to whether I should make the move...when I found Mom her babies, and their testing status, I knew had anyone else found them they'd most likely have immediately been put down, and that they were the sign I was looking for. We also have a new Leuk+ rescue, this poor kitty had scabies so bad his eyes were crusted shut (and still are quite infected), a friend made a heroic rescue standing on a truck and plucking this kitty out of a tree, and it hit hard when we found out he was leuk+. We are still looking for a home for him, and he is still boarding at the vets being treated (3 weeks now), but we are glad we've had the chance to give him the chance he deserves to feel good love and care. Well I am sorry as this must be a very sad update...but I know you all will keep Sissy, Hobbs, Shennangans, and Jann Kate the loving humans they've left behind, in your close thoughts and prayers. Please add them to the candle light memorial service. Thank you all for giving kitties with leukemia a chance, no one should have to lose the chance to know love just because of what is in their blood. Heather Tampa, FL
Re: I must be nuts!
Marylyn, I am so happy for you. Wow, I didn't know Siamese got that big. He's in for a wonderful journey, I can tell. Our Snowy never had a home, spent her first 3 years in a cage being neglected. It took her no time whatsoever to figure out what cats do when they have the run of the house. She's so smart, when she comes to bed with me and the flickering of the TV bugs her, she asks to come under the covers until I turn it off. Every day is a new adventure for these cats and it is so wonderful to see them love life. I pray your boy has a long joyous life. Lynne - Original Message - From: Sue Koren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 9:31 AM Subject: Re: I must be nuts! To tell the real truth, I don't feel nuts at all, I am just so happy to have him! He is such a gentleman and such an armful! (16#) I have never had a siamese before and never heard of flame point siamese. I can tell that he has never had a real home before. There are things he is afraid of that any cat that had had a home would know about. I can't wait to see what his personality is like in 6 months or so when he has had a good chance to settle in. If I have this boy for weeks or years the time will be so worth it because he is so very special! Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: = AMEN On Jun 24, 2008, at 10:44 AM, Barb Moermond wrote: I'm so happy for you two! We never know how long our little friends are going to be with us, so I don't think you're nuts. Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous - Original Message From: Sue Koren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FeLV Talk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 8:06:59 AM Subject: I must be nuts! Hi Everyone! Saturday I went to a local cat rescue home and adopted a beautiful 16lb. flame point siamese boy. He is 10 years old and FeLV+. I have been missing my cuddler, Tucker, so much that I just wanted another loveable lap cat kitty. There were over 200 cats in that home but when I picked up Orlando it was all over. He just snuggled right in. His previous owner passed away in January. She had a lot of acreage, a couple of barns and a shop where she made signs. She had 17 cats who roamed the place and were never let inside or given vet care. When she passed away her husband brought all the cats to this rescue and several were FeLV+. Ironically, that was about the time Buzz was diagnosed and I was still trying to find a home for him. When I called this rescue they told me that they had just taken in several positives and did not have room. If someone had told me then that I would be taking one of the positives I never would have believed them. Anyway, Orlando is a very special sweetheart of a cat. He is even getting along fairly well with the other 5. Yesterday I had him to the vets and they found that he had once had a broken leg that was never taken care of and healed wrong. (I knew his back right leg was stiff). Time will tell if that is something to take care of now or not. They also re-confirmed the FeLV+. Anyway I am getting way too long winded. Thanks for listening to me ramble, Sue ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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For those of you have had female cats, at what point should I be alarmed about their health. Snowy was spayed today. The vet said all went well. She seemed very pleased and ok on the way home. Since then she has become very somber, with her mouth slightly open and I swear I can hear a raspiness in her throat. She won't even let me touch her and has retreated to upstairs. She has had some drinks of water, a lot actually when we first got home. My vet is not available this evening and my only alternative is to take her to the emergency clinic which I hate with a pasion. The vet there is a complete jerk. The fact that he couldn't put BooBoo to sleep fast enough has a lot to do with it. I just don't know if this is normal behaviour for after this kind of surgery or something is very wrong. She looks angry or in pain. I can't give her any pain medication until tomorrow morning. They gave her an injection before we left today. I've put in a call to her foster mother hoping she can give me some advice but of course the way things go she isn't home. Lynne ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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That's such good news about Jack. I hope he has a long and happy life. I'm waiting on pins and needles today, hoping not to get a call from the vet. Snowy has been gone for 2 hours now and no call so far so the Felv test must have been negative, although I think I remember saying I didn't want to know the results. There was no mention in her health records of being tested although the foster mom did tell me she was negative. They weren't going to vaccinate her but since she does go out for fresh air I don't want to take the chance. Our Lennie who is confined to supervised back yard outings was scratched on his head a couple summers ago by a neighborhood cat and that wound up costing us 600 bucks. There was a cat in our yard this morning. Snowy is getting blood work while she's there as well. This little adventure is going to cost us close to $500.00 She was such a good girl with Dr. Gill. He brings out the best in cats. We could have taken her to the Clinic that cared for her while she was fostered but it's an hour drive, I wouldn't be able to get the time off work and where she is now is where she'll be seen regularly. Even if I paid for it myself there it only would have cost $125.00. But she is getting a lot of extras where she's at. I hate wishing time away but I just want this day to be over and my little girl home. Lynne - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 12:48 AM Subject: Re: OT - sorta All rescues are struggling financially right now I think:( I live near Jack's owner and asked today how he was adjusting to being inside. They say he loves it. So he is happy right now... On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 6:34 AM, Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the cat is being given a chance at a decent life right now. It just isn't affordable for the average person to give these cats access to all the treatments. If the kittie has a happy household, good food and access to medical care when necessary, what more could you ask for. Of course if he should become seriously ill, well we know the answer. The rescue we got our Snowy from is really struggling financially now. Our purchase included the spay fee but we said, forget that, we'll pay for it ourselves. That money can be put to a lot better use for food, antibiotics etc for the others. Lynne - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika To: felvtalk Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 8:20 PM Subject: OT - sorta Hi guys, The off-topic part: We are trying to think of catchy names for our new service where we take the pets of low-income people for basic vet care (I.e. spay/neuter, rabies shot, etc). The on topic part of this: as some of you read, one of the kitties we had neutered through this program turned out double pos. So my question is: How far should we really go with this cat? He has a home, the owners cannot afford special care for him, I'm not sure it makes any difference if he is really + or not. We got the other cat in the household vaccinated and boostered. The problem is that the more we do for any individual cat, the less we can do for other cats. As a nonprofit we can get a discount on SNAP tests, but not (that I know of) IFA tests. I wish we could do everything for every cat, but clearly we can't do that... -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 Check out our Memsaic! http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help with some of our kitties medical needs! http://rescuties.chipin.com/kitties-medical-expenses Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 Check out our Memsaic! http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help with some of our kitties medical needs! http://rescuties.chipin.com/kitties-medical-expenses Rather than helping, it's easier
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Thanks Laura. She's come around somewhat this morning, actually was by my head purring when I woke up. Her foster mom called me last night and told me nothing I was telling her was unusual. The anesthetic and pain medication does weird things to some animals. Lynne - Original Message - From: Laura Mostello [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 5:26 AM Subject: Re: help please One of my fosters was HORRIBLE for several days after spaying. She was a nice cat who became very aggressive and basically just stayed in a corner. Eventually she returned to normal. --- On Tue, 6/24/08, Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: help please To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, June 24, 2008, 7:21 PM For those of you have had female cats, at what point should I be alarmed about their health. Snowy was spayed today. The vet said all went well. She seemed very pleased and ok on the way home. Since then she has become very somber, with her mouth slightly open and I swear I can hear a raspiness in her throat. She won't even let me touch her and has retreated to upstairs. She has had some drinks of water, a lot actually when we first got home. My vet is not available this evening and my only alternative is to take her to the emergency clinic which I hate with a pasion. The vet there is a complete jerk. The fact that he couldn't put BooBoo to sleep fast enough has a lot to do with it. I just don't know if this is normal behaviour for after this kind of surgery or something is very wrong. She looks angry or in pain. I can't give her any pain medication until tomorrow morning. They gave her an injection before we left today. I've put in a call to her foster mother hoping she can give me some advice but of course the way things go she isn't home. Lynne___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Thanks Dede. She was on the bed by my head this morning when I woke up. She is definitely better than she was last night but only ate a tiny bit this morning. She's upstairs sleeping. I can't give her the pain medication unless she eats. She obviously has a sore throat because she is constantly swallowing and when she did eat a little this morning she appeared to be grinding her teeth. I think her jaw aches too. The foster mom told me to watch her and if she seems to be in pain, then give her medication, if not don't. She says none of the shelter's cats get sent home with pain medication. I hate for her to be in any kind of discomfort but this cat will not take medication. She foams at the mouth and becomes hysterical. As long as she is sleeping I'm not going to bother her. I hate to see her hurting but hopefully in a few days she will be feeling a little better. Lynne - Original Message - From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 8:59 AM Subject: Re: help please Lynne, I didn't read your message until now. I hope Snowy feels better this AM. It has been my experience that the older they are, the more misserable they feel. The pain meds should help. As long as she is eating and drinking, I would not worry too much. I am glad this ordeal is over for both of you. Snowy is very lucky to have you. Dede When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 --- On Tue, 6/24/08, Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: help please To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, June 24, 2008, 7:21 PM For those of you have had female cats, at what point should I be alarmed about their health. Snowy was spayed today. The vet said all went well. She seemed very pleased and ok on the way home. Since then she has become very somber, with her mouth slightly open and I swear I can hear a raspiness in her throat. She won't even let me touch her and has retreated to upstairs. She has had some drinks of water, a lot actually when we first got home. My vet is not available this evening and my only alternative is to take her to the emergency clinic which I hate with a pasion. The vet there is a complete jerk. The fact that he couldn't put BooBoo to sleep fast enough has a lot to do with it. I just don't know if this is normal behaviour for after this kind of surgery or something is very wrong. She looks angry or in pain. I can't give her any pain medication until tomorrow morning. They gave her an injection before we left today. I've put in a call to her foster mother hoping she can give me some advice but of course the way things go she isn't home. Lynne___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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She was given Anafen 5 mg. and the dose is 7mg once daily with food. It's Ketoprofen, in the same family as Advil I believe. Actually Bob and I were just able to easily get the 2 pieces of pill in her. I had a syringe of water and squirted enough down her throat to get it down. She's now getting her eyes cleaned without any difficulty. I think the poor little thing is just too worn out to fight. She has been drinking water and ate some food a little while ago. The pills had to be given with food. I doubt I'll give her any more pain reliever if she seems much better tomorrow. I just figured she may be in pain now because it has been 24 hours since her injection for pain. Lynne - Original Message - From: Sharyl To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 5:51 AM Subject: Re: help please Lynne, it took mine a day to recover from the surgery but they were younger than Snowy. The raspy voice could be due to the anesthetic. Mine are generally ticked off at me after a vet visit and want to be left alone. I had Stormie in for vaccines Monday. She spent the rest of the day hiding behind the sofa. If I remember correctly the vet said to offer water and a small amount of food after the neutering surgery. What pain med did the vet give you? Please do not give Snowy Metacam. It is only FDA approved for a single shot for cats. Oral doses cause approx. 30% to go into acute kidney failure. There are other pain meds for kitties without the risk of ARF. Glad she is home. Sharyl Sissy and Rocket --- On Tue, 6/24/08, Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: help please To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, June 24, 2008, 7:21 PM For those of you have had female cats, at what point should I be alarmed about their health. Snowy was spayed today. The vet said all went well. She seemed very pleased and ok on the way home. Since then she has become very somber, with her mouth slightly open and I swear I can hear a raspiness in her throat. She won't even let me touch her and has retreated to upstairs. She has had some drinks of water, a lot actually when we first got home. nbsp; My vet is not available this evening and my only alternative is to take her to the emergency clinic which I hate with a pasion. The vet there is a complete jerk. The fact that he couldn't put BooBoo to sleep fast enough has a lot to do with it. I just don't know if this is normal behaviour for after this kind of surgery or something is very wrong. She looks angry or in pain. I can't give her any pain medication until tomorrow morning. They gave her an injection before we left today. I've put in a call to her foster mother hoping she can give me some advice but of course the way things go she isn't home. Lynne ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Kelley, spaying is part of the contract. That is why I would speak with the foster mom first if I had any misgivings about doing it. This agency doesn't give the cats up for adoption without neutering but an exception was made here because supposedly I'm a responsible enough person to carry through with the procedure. That and the fact that I bugged the hell out of them for her. I've decided that I am going to cancel the surgery for tomorrow and instead set up an appointment for Snowy to meet this vet and have a complete physical including blood work etc. I do worry about her breathing. When she plays for a long time she pants, tongue hanging out just like a dog. Her nose is so tiny you can hardly find it. I will ask about intubating her. She hasn't had any herpes outbreak since we've had her. She eats well, plays hard and loves life. She hasn't met our regular vet. She had the emergency surgery on her paw through an after hours clinic. I think our regular vet who cared for BooBoo would not take any kind of risk with her knowing what we and he went through trying to save Boo. Still I'm scared. If this is to be done, I would like it done within the next week as I'm on vacation and would want to be here with her during her recovery. Lynne - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 6:19 PM Subject: Re: spaying Hi Lynne, I would check the contract you have with the agency from which you adopted her. It is likely the adoption is conditional on you getting her spayed - this is why we do not adopt out unspayed animals btw. Unless there is some severe underlying health issue, which the vet should have advised you of, it is always healthier for the cat to be altered. It reduces or eliminates the chances of certain types of cancer, it eliminates the chance of unplanned pregnancies, etc. On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here I go again, waffling about neutering my cat. I need some honest advice here. Don't just tell me what I want to hear but what I must hear. I haven't owned too many cats in my life, 3 to be exact because they all lived very long lives. Then came BooBoo and all the tragedy associated with Feline leukemia, FIP etc. I still say I shouldn't have neutered him (age 5) and that stress contributed to his very quick demise. My other cats have always been neutered before we got them (from the humane society.) Now we have Snowy, the 3 and a half year old rescued cat who was very ill with feline herpes virus. It caused some scarring in one eye and apparently it took 2 months in a foster home to get her eyes and respiratory tract infection treated. She is seemingly very healthy, the vet says she has a strong heart. What I did learn about her though was that she did have a litter of kittens at one point and they all died. I have read that it can be complicated to spay a cat that has had a litter and that is why it is best to do it at a young age. I have her scheduled to go in this Tuesday and I'm petrified. I would absolutely die if something were to happen to her. I worry about the stress and her history of Herpes virus. She's such a happy and loving little girl but becomes very aggitated over having her eyes cleaned daily and being brushed, necessary things for a persian. When we got her about two weeks later we discovered she had a very horrible ingrown nail and took her to the emergency vet to have it surgically removed. It was a horrible sight. She had to be put under she was so hysterical. The vet even told us we had a bad kitty because I guess she put a job on him. From what I can tell she has not gone into heat during the time we've owned her which is around 4 months now. She's an indoor cat but is allowed to go outside with us and Lenny for fresh air and nature. Neither cat is ever let outside without at least one of us in the yard with them and both stay very close. It is impossible for either one go get out of the back yard, but yes, it is possible for an agile male to find his way in. Like I mentioned, they both are supervised diligently and only let out for a short time. 90% of the time they are inside or in the screened patio. I know ultimately this is my decision but I would truly appreciate any thoughts you wonderful people might have on the subject. Many thanks Lynne ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 Check out our Memsaic! http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9 http
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Thank you Dede. I'm gonna do just that, talk to the vet about everything. Lynne - Original Message - From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 7:13 PM Subject: Re: spaying Lynne, I can undrstand your feelings, especially with what you have gone through. Kelley is right about all she says. I just finished working at a spay/neuter clinic today...35 cats done successfully. If you use a really safe anesthesia, and the cat is monitored. You should really be OK. Most of the cats we did today had had litters before. Really, talk to your vet about EVERYTHING they will do, and your concerns It should make you feel better. Best you you all, Dede When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 --- On Sun, 6/22/08, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: spaying To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sunday, June 22, 2008, 6:19 PM Hi Lynne, I would check the contract you have with the agency from which you adopted her. It is likely the adoption is conditional on you getting her spayed - this is why we do not adopt out unspayed animals btw. Unless there is some severe underlying health issue, which the vet should have advised you of, it is always healthier for the cat to be altered. It reduces or eliminates the chances of certain types of cancer, it eliminates the chance of unplanned pregnancies, etc. On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here I go again, waffling about neutering my cat. I need some honest advice here. Don't just tell me what I want to hear but what I must hear. I haven't owned too many cats in my life, 3 to be exact because they all lived very long lives. Then came BooBoo and all the tragedy associated with Feline leukemia, FIP etc. I still say I shouldn't have neutered him (age 5) and that stress contributed to his very quick demise. My other cats have always been neutered before we got them (from the humane society.) Now we have Snowy, the 3 and a half year old rescued cat who was very ill with feline herpes virus. It caused some scarring in one eye and apparently it took 2 months in a foster home to get her eyes and respiratory tract infection treated. She is seemingly very healthy, the vet says she has a strong heart. What I did learn about her though was that she did have a litter of kittens at one point and they all died. I have read that it can be complicated to spay a cat that has had a litter and that is why it is best to do it at a young age. I have her scheduled to go in this Tuesday and I'm petrified. I would absolutely die if something were to happen to her. I worry about the stress and her history of Herpes virus. She's such a happy and loving little girl but becomes very aggitated over having her eyes cleaned daily and being brushed, necessary things for a persian. When we got her about two weeks later we discovered she had a very horrible ingrown nail and took her to the emergency vet to have it surgically removed. It was a horrible sight. She had to be put under she was so hysterical. The vet even told us we had a bad kitty because I guess she put a job on him. From what I can tell she has not gone into heat during the time we've owned her which is around 4 months now. She's an indoor cat but is allowed to go outside with us and Lenny for fresh air and nature. Neither cat is ever let outside without at least one of us in the yard with them and both stay very close. It is impossible for either one go get out of the back yard, but yes, it is possible for an agile male to find his way in. Like I mentioned, they both are supervised diligently and only let out for a short time. 90% of the time they are inside or in the screened patio. I know ultimately this is my decision but I would truly appreciate any thoughts you wonderful people might have on the subject. Many thanks Lynne ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 Check out our Memsaic! http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help with some of our kitties medical needs! http://rescuties.chipin.com/kitties-medical-expenses Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave
Re: spaying
Gloria, I spoke with my vet today and was assured that extra precautions are taken with cats like Persians. The anesthetic used is Isoflorine and she will be intubated. Lynne - Original Message - From: Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 8:46 AM Subject: Re: spaying Does she have an outbreak of Herpes right now? If so, wait on the spay because of that. Many cats have been exposed to and carry the Herpes virus - but is she has an outbreak, that's different - you might just want to get her on some Lysine , and make sure she's in good shape before any surgery. And if she's Persian, I'd wait. If Persian, she probably also has Persian eyes, meaning some drainage and staining below her eyes which is typical of the breed, because of the smallness in the flat facial area. I've just gotten real cautious about Persians. I'd probably let her get a little older anyhow. Cats that have had kittens get spayed all the time, that's not a concern. BUT Persian cats require special attention re surgery. They have small airways, and some people prefer intubating them for surgery rather than just using anesthesia alone. When they're out or groggy from anesthesia, the tissue in the throat can cover the airway and they can die if they're not watched carefully, and seems like many vets/vet techs don't know that. I've had that happen. Another thing is that Persians may have different sensitivities to anesthesia than other cats, so make sure the vet is sensitive to Persian issues. One link is here, with a quote: == http://www.vetinfo4cats.com/canesthesia.html Ketamine causes hypertension during anesthetic recovery and it is possible that the detrimental effects attributed to ketamine may be due primarily to cases of undiagnosed cardiomyopathy in cats undergoing anesthetic procedures. These cats would be especially sensitive to hypertension and the increase in blood pressure induced by ketamine is supposed to be pretty significant in some cats. If this theory is correct it may make sense that Persians are more sensitive to ketamine than other cat breeds since cardiomyopathy is supposed to be a problem in the breed. Another potential problem with Persians and ketamine is that many vets using ketamine anesthesia (included me when procedures are short) do not routinely intubate cats to provide a patent airway since they are not anticipating having to use gas anesthesia. In pets with short noses, both cats and dogs, intubation during any anesthetic procedure is best since these pets can develop airway obstructions much more easily than longer nosed pets. I think almost all vets do intubate pets when they are doing dental procedures other than very simple extractions, though. == Hope this is helpful. Gloria On Jun 21, 2008, at 9:42 AM, Lynne wrote: Here I go again, waffling about neutering my cat. I need some honest advice here. Don't just tell me what I want to hear but what I must hear. I haven't owned too many cats in my life, 3 to be exact because they all lived very long lives. Then came BooBoo and all the tragedy associated with Feline leukemia, FIP etc. I still say I shouldn't have neutered him (age 5) and that stress contributed to his very quick demise. My other cats have always been neutered before we got them (from the humane society.) Now we have Snowy, the 3 and a half year old rescued cat who was very ill with feline herpes virus. It caused some scarring in one eye and apparently it took 2 months in a foster home to get her eyes and respiratory tract infection treated. She is seemingly very healthy, the vet says she has a strong heart. What I did learn about her though was that she did have a litter of kittens at one point and they all died. I have read that it can be complicated to spay a cat that has had a litter and that is why it is best to do it at a young age. I have her scheduled to go in this Tuesday and I'm petrified. I would absolutely die if something were to happen to her. I worry about the stress and her history of Herpes virus. She's such a happy and loving little girl but becomes very aggitated over having her eyes cleaned daily and being brushed, necessary things for a persian. When we got her about two weeks later we discovered she had a very horrible ingrown nail and took her to the emergency vet to have it surgically removed. It was a horrible sight. She had to be put under she was so hysterical. The vet even told us we had a bad kitty because I guess she put a job on him. From what I can tell she has not gone into heat during the time we've owned her which is around 4 months now. She's an indoor cat but is allowed to go outside with us and Lenny for fresh air and nature. Neither cat is ever let outside without at least one
Re: OT - sorta
I think the cat is being given a chance at a decent life right now. It just isn't affordable for the average person to give these cats access to all the treatments. If the kittie has a happy household, good food and access to medical care when necessary, what more could you ask for. Of course if he should become seriously ill, well we know the answer. The rescue we got our Snowy from is really struggling financially now. Our purchase included the spay fee but we said, forget that, we'll pay for it ourselves. That money can be put to a lot better use for food, antibiotics etc for the others. Lynne - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika To: felvtalk Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 8:20 PM Subject: OT - sorta Hi guys, The off-topic part: We are trying to think of catchy names for our new service where we take the pets of low-income people for basic vet care (I.e. spay/neuter, rabies shot, etc). The on topic part of this: as some of you read, one of the kitties we had neutered through this program turned out double pos. So my question is: How far should we really go with this cat? He has a home, the owners cannot afford special care for him, I'm not sure it makes any difference if he is really + or not. We got the other cat in the household vaccinated and boostered. The problem is that the more we do for any individual cat, the less we can do for other cats. As a nonprofit we can get a discount on SNAP tests, but not (that I know of) IFA tests. I wish we could do everything for every cat, but clearly we can't do that... -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 Check out our Memsaic! http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help with some of our kitties medical needs! http://rescuties.chipin.com/kitties-medical-expenses Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: spaying - BE CAREFUL ABOUT PERSIANS!
Thank you so much Gloria. I am going to print the article below and take it to our vet. I've decided to have her checked out thoroughly by our vet before having the spay. I realize the importance of having the surgery. I'm a huge advocate of sterilizing and feel a bit of a hipocrit for not getting this done, but I also will not risk her life if there is the slightest chance of something happening to her. She is healthy, or so she was given a clean bill of health when we got her, but still I want her examined first by our vet. Lynne - Original Message - From: Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 1:16 AM Subject: Re: spaying - BE CAREFUL ABOUT PERSIANS! Just want to repeat this, folks - BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT SPAYING PERSIANS! Small airways, more risk of death. As I understand this is a Persian! Check with the vet first - and check the vet out - make sure they've spayed Persians before, know what they're doing, will intubate, etc. Don't let just any vet spay a Persian. I lost a kitty this way. See the article below. Gloria -- - On Jun 22, 2008, at 7:46 AM, Gloria Lane wrote: Does she have an outbreak of Herpes right now? If so, wait on the spay because of that. Many cats have been exposed to and carry the Herpes virus - but is she has an outbreak, that's different - you might just want to get her on some Lysine , and make sure she's in good shape before any surgery. And if she's Persian, I'd wait. If Persian, she probably also has Persian eyes, meaning some drainage and staining below her eyes which is typical of the breed, because of the smallness in the flat facial area. I've just gotten real cautious about Persians. I'd probably let her get a little older anyhow. Cats that have had kittens get spayed all the time, that's not a concern. BUT Persian cats require special attention re surgery. They have small airways, and some people prefer intubating them for surgery rather than just using anesthesia alone. When they're out or groggy from anesthesia, the tissue in the throat can cover the airway and they can die if they're not watched carefully, and seems like many vets/vet techs don't know that. I've had that happen. Another thing is that Persians may have different sensitivities to anesthesia than other cats, so make sure the vet is sensitive to Persian issues. One link is here, with a quote: == http://www.vetinfo4cats.com/canesthesia.html Ketamine causes hypertension during anesthetic recovery and it is possible that the detrimental effects attributed to ketamine may be due primarily to cases of undiagnosed cardiomyopathy in cats undergoing anesthetic procedures. These cats would be especially sensitive to hypertension and the increase in blood pressure induced by ketamine is supposed to be pretty significant in some cats. If this theory is correct it may make sense that Persians are more sensitive to ketamine than other cat breeds since cardiomyopathy is supposed to be a problem in the breed. Another potential problem with Persians and ketamine is that many vets using ketamine anesthesia (included me when procedures are short) do not routinely intubate cats to provide a patent airway since they are not anticipating having to use gas anesthesia. In pets with short noses, both cats and dogs, intubation during any anesthetic procedure is best since these pets can develop airway obstructions much more easily than longer nosed pets. I think almost all vets do intubate pets when they are doing dental procedures other than very simple extractions, though. == Hope this is helpful. Gloria On Jun 21, 2008, at 9:42 AM, Lynne wrote: Here I go again, waffling about neutering my cat. I need some honest advice here. Don't just tell me what I want to hear but what I must hear. I haven't owned too many cats in my life, 3 to be exact because they all lived very long lives. Then came BooBoo and all the tragedy associated with Feline leukemia, FIP etc. I still say I shouldn't have neutered him (age 5) and that stress contributed to his very quick demise. My other cats have always been neutered before we got them (from the humane society.) Now we have Snowy, the 3 and a half year old rescued cat who was very ill with feline herpes virus. It caused some scarring in one eye and apparently it took 2 months in a foster home to get her eyes and respiratory tract infection treated. She is seemingly very healthy, the vet says she has a strong heart. What I did learn about her though was that she did have a litter of kittens at one point and they all died. I have read that it can be complicated to spay a cat that has had a litter and that is why
spaying
Here I go again, waffling about neutering my cat. I need some honest advice here. Don't just tell me what I want to hear but what I must hear. I haven't owned too many cats in my life, 3 to be exact because they all lived very long lives. Then came BooBoo and all the tragedy associated with Feline leukemia, FIP etc. I still say I shouldn't have neutered him (age 5) and that stress contributed to his very quick demise. My other cats have always been neutered before we got them (from the humane society.) Now we have Snowy, the 3 and a half year old rescued cat who was very ill with feline herpes virus. It caused some scarring in one eye and apparently it took 2 months in a foster home to get her eyes and respiratory tract infection treated. She is seemingly very healthy, the vet says she has a strong heart. What I did learn about her though was that she did have a litter of kittens at one point and they all died. I have read that it can be complicated to spay a cat that has had a litter and that is why it is best to do it at a young age. I have her scheduled to go in this Tuesday and I'm petrified. I would absolutely die if something were to happen to her. I worry about the stress and her history of Herpes virus. She's such a happy and loving little girl but becomes very aggitated over having her eyes cleaned daily and being brushed, necessary things for a persian. When we got her about two weeks later we discovered she had a very horrible ingrown nail and took her to the emergency vet to have it surgically removed. It was a horrible sight. She had to be put under she was so hysterical. The vet even told us we had a bad kitty because I guess she put a job on him. From what I can tell she has not gone into heat during the time we've owned her which is around 4 months now. She's an indoor cat but is allowed to go outside with us and Lenny for fresh air and nature. Neither cat is ever let outside without at least one of us in the yard with them and both stay very close. It is impossible for either one go get out of the back yard, but yes, it is possible for an agile male to find his way in. Like I mentioned, they both are supervised diligently and only let out for a short time. 90% of the time they are inside or in the screened patio. I know ultimately this is my decision but I would truly appreciate any thoughts you wonderful people might have on the subject. Many thanks Lynne ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: FIV/FeLV info
Laurie, thank you for giving this overview of these two viruses. I wish so much I had educated myself prior to owning a Felv positive cat. Of course it helps to know ahead of time what you're dealing with. I swear we'd still have BooBoo with us if I had only known. I honestly believe now that we contributed to his demise by having him groomed, bathed (he was loaded with fleas, mites and horribly matted fur when we got him) and then the neutering a week later. I think we caused him so much distress that his immune system totally failed him. I also have this horrible guilt that if I hadn't been so insistent on owning him, he may have survived in his own enviromnent longer. When he was diagnosed with FIV on top of everything, he went downhill immediately. He had already lived 5 years and died within a month of us getting him and learning of his diagnosis. We did everything the vet told us to do and more and in the end I'm now thinking we should have left things well enough alone. It was a hard lesson to learn and I'm paying dearly for it. There isn't a day goes by that I don't miss him terribly. Getting Snowy the rescued cat has helped tremendously but still, BooBoo can never be replaced. Lynne - Original Message - From: Laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 10:59 PM Subject: FIV/FeLV info FIV (Feline Immunodeficiency Virus) Both FIV and FeLV are called retroviruses because of the way that they replicate, or multiply, inside the cat's body. FIV is further classified as a lentivirus, or slow virus. An FIV-positive cat may live for many years. However, the virus eventually weakens the immune system, which limits the cat's ability to protect itself against other infections or illnesses. Periods of relatively good health may be interspersed with recurrent illnesses. FIV is spread primarily through bite wounds. The virus is transmitted via the saliva of an FIV-positive cat when it bites deep into the tissue of another cat. It is therefore commonly found in tomcats as they fight for territory and mates. Casual, non-aggressive contact does NOT spread the virus. The virus cannot survive for more than a few hours when exposed to air. Therefore, an FIV-positive cat CAN live in a house with non-infected cats if they are all on friendly terms and don't fight with each other. Sharing food and water bowls, litter pans, and even grooming each other will NOT spread the virus. If acquired during adulthood, a cat with FIV can live a long, full life, and many do. However, the weakened immune system can lead to recurrent or chronic conditions such as inflammation of the gums and mouth, skin, urinary, or upper respiratory infections, weight loss, anemia, persistent diarrhea, and cancer. For additional information, please see: http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?ds=1cat=1316articleid=213, http://www.vet.cornell.edu/fhc/brochures/fiv.html, http://www.bestfriends.org/theanimals/petcare/cats_fiv.cfm, or contact us! -- -- FeLV (Feline Leukemia Virus) FeLV is also a retrovirus, but it differs in many ways from FIV, including its shape and genetic makeup. And although many of the diseases caused by the two viruses are similar, the specific way those diseases are caused is different. About 65% of cats with FeLV will live a full life. Unfortunately, the remaining 35% will probably die within three years. Just like FIV, FeLV may cause a weakened immune system that limits the cat's ability to fight off other infections. Periods of relatively good health may be interspersed with recurrent illnesses. An FeLV-positive cat sheds high quantities of the virus in its saliva and nasal secretions. Therefore, the virus can be spread from cat to cat through mutual grooming and, more rarely, by sharing food bowls and litter boxes, as well as through bite wounds. An infected mother can also transmit the virus to her kittens before birth or while nursing. FeLV is the most common cause of cancer in cats, and it may cause various blood disorders. As with FIV, FeLV can weaken the immune system so that the same bacteria and viruses that usually do not affect a healthy animal can cause serious illness in a cat with FeLV. Common secondary infections include inflammation of the gums and mouth, skin, urinary, or upper respiratory infections, and persistent diarrhea. For additional information, please see: http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?ds=1cat=1316articleid=211, http://www.vet.cornell.edu/fhc/brochures/felv.html, or contact us! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http
Re: FIV/FeLV info
I'm sorry for the horrible sadness you're going through Sue and everyone else who has lost a little one lately and not so lately. At two weeks post Boo I was still so sick at heart I could hardly function. The difficult thing is I have to drive by his former home every day on the way to and from work and there is his son sitting in the window most days. When I come home from work I expect to see Boo come out from under our trailer. That's where he always stayed last year til we came outside. Then we would feed him and try to put antibiotics on his ears which were always bloodied. I love Snowy for herself though she does have those funny little BooBoo ears and squished in nose like him. She has been a god send for my husband and I. Fortunately despite her horrible pre foster existence she tested negative for Felv but had the Feline Herpes Virus. We've had no problems with her but her one eye is somewhat scarred. If stress triggers this virus, I'm not worried because this girl is the most spoiled cat known to man. She gets anything she wants whenever she wants. I guess the bottom line is, we do what we feel is in our cat's best interest and pray those who know more than we do, give us the right advice. I still have to get Snowy spayed but the foster mom and vet said I could wait. It's been almost 4 months since we got her and I'm still worried about doing it. She's an indoor cat but is allowed outside under supervision only for fresh air and back yard nature. I'm not worried about other cats coming into the yard, but still I have to get her spayed. It was part of the contract. Lynne - Original Message - From: Sue Frank Koren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 6:58 PM Subject: Re: FIV/FeLV info Lynne, I cannot believe that BooBoo is gone because of you. On the contrary I have to believe that he was sent to you and you were able to own him because some higher power wanted that beautiful kitty to know what it is like to be loved and cherished in this world before he had to leave it. I know how hard it is to miss a cat you are deeply fond of. Tucker has been gone just over two weeks and I can still hardly stand it. I have been second guessing the choices I made ever since. But there is no way in the world anyone could ever say that you didn't do everything you possibly could for BooBoo. Both medical and emotionally. Please go easier on yourself and believe that that little kitty angel will be very happy to see you at the bridge. Sue - Original Message - From: Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 11:45 AM Subject: Re: FIV/FeLV info Laurie, thank you for giving this overview of these two viruses. I wish so much I had educated myself prior to owning a Felv positive cat. Of course it helps to know ahead of time what you're dealing with. I swear we'd still have BooBoo with us if I had only known. I honestly believe now that we contributed to his demise by having him groomed, bathed (he was loaded with fleas, mites and horribly matted fur when we got him) and then the neutering a week later. I think we caused him so much distress that his immune system totally failed him. I also have this horrible guilt that if I hadn't been so insistent on owning him, he may have survived in his own enviromnent longer. When he was diagnosed with FIV on top of everything, he went downhill immediately. He had already lived 5 years and died within a month of us getting him and learning of his diagnosis. We did everything the vet told us to do and more and in the end I'm now thinking we should have left things well enough alone. It was a hard lesson to learn and I'm paying dearly for it. There isn't a day goes by that I don't miss him terribly. Getting Snowy the rescued cat has helped tremendously but still, BooBoo can never be replaced. Lynne - Original Message - From: Laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 10:59 PM Subject: FIV/FeLV info FIV (Feline Immunodeficiency Virus) Both FIV and FeLV are called retroviruses because of the way that they replicate, or multiply, inside the cat's body. FIV is further classified as a lentivirus, or slow virus. An FIV-positive cat may live for many years. However, the virus eventually weakens the immune system, which limits the cat's ability to protect itself against other infections or illnesses. Periods of relatively good health may be interspersed with recurrent illnesses. FIV is spread primarily through bite wounds. The virus is transmitted via the saliva of an FIV-positive cat when it bites deep into the tissue of another cat. It is therefore commonly found in tomcats as they fight for territory and mates. Casual, non-aggressive contact does NOT spread the virus
Re: Little Man Please add to CLS :(
I'm sorry to hear about Little Man Sherry and I'm sorry you and your Dr. Jen have to go through this so often. It breaks my heart a little every time I hear of another passing. Lynne - Original Message - From: Rosenfeldt, Diane To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 5:07 PM Subject: RE: Little Man Please add to CLS :( I'm so sorry Little Man didn't make it, Sherry. Hugs to Dr. Jen and all of you. Little Man has gone through orientation by now and is telling all his new friends about his wonderful old friends. Diane R. -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sherry DeHaan Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 11:16 AM To: Felvtalk Subject: Little Man Please add to CLS :( Poor Dr. Jen had to let our Little Man go at 5 am this morning.She wrote us all the legacy of his story.He was an awesome boy.It was a very nice legacy. Sherry This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties. --___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: Little Man
Absolutely Sherry. Lynne - Original Message - From: Sherry DeHaan To: Felvtalk Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 12:11 PM Subject: Little Man PLEASE!! can you all add Little Man to you thoughts and prayers? He is Dr Jens felv boy who is 8 years old and having a rough time right now.She had to put a feeding tube in Saturday but he is not responding very well.Yet he is happy and purring.He is also temporary Sids kid on and off and is the sweetest gray boy.THank you all sherry -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: Kissinger and Zin Please add to the CLS :( :(
I'm so sorry to hear of your losses Sherry. How old were the boys? I count my blessings every day that we were able to get this rescued girl of ours. So far she is well, not that it would have made a difference in adopting her anyway but it's a real joy seeing how happy and healthy she is now after being so very ill for so long. Lynne - Original Message - From: Rosenfeldt, Diane To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 8:48 AM Subject: RE: Kissinger and Zin Please add to the CLS :( :( Kissinger and Zin will surely find lots of old friends at the Bridge. :-( Condolences to Zin's hoomin and all at Sids. Diane R. -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sherry DeHaan Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 8:39 PM To: Felvtalk Subject: Kissinger and Zin Please add to the CLS :( :( I found out tonight sweet beautiful Zin lost his battle.He was adopted by one of the volunteers and she told me tonight he left us.He was a flame point beautiful boy. Also we lost sweet Kissinger he had such a gentle way about him. This has been a sad week for us at Sids. Sherry This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties. --___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: Please add Tucker to CLS
This seems to have been a very bad week for losses. I'm sorry your Tucker had to leave you Sue. I can only imagine the sadness you are experiencing. Lynne - Original Message - From: Sue Frank Koren To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 8:53 PM Subject: Please add Tucker to CLS This morning I had to have Tucker PTS. He was not FeLV+ but he had Stomatitis and all his teeth were removed last Nov. My vet though what was happening to him had something to do with the immune problems associated with that. He said the root of the problem was in the bone marrow. I asked them to take some marrow after he was gone so I will know more about what happened. I only hope that Tuckers sickness had nothing to do with letting my FeLV + out with the other cats. Even though I had them all vaccinated, that fear is there. The vet tried all he could think of but this morning his problems were so serious that the vet said anything they could try would have very little chance of working and also be painful to him. Tucker always slept right next to me, curled up on my neck if I sat on the couch, and I have a cat bed here on the desk next to the computer where he would keep me company. He was a large long haired grey tabby. We called him the great fluffy hunter of dirty socks because he would drag them and present them to you like it was a major catch. He was such a loveable boy and will be so very missed. Sue -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
I have to share
I just felt like telling you folks about something that happened last night with our Snowy and Lennie. Lennie is our 19 year old, who is showing signs of not being with us much longer. He's deaf, frail and weak but still appears to enjoy his life. Snowy is our rescued Persian. Len has not cared for her much since she first came home with us but over the past couple months has agreed to accept her. When we take them outside for fresh air, Snowy will follow Len just like a little puppy but if he turns around she kind of stops and puts her head down. They both get a lot of affection from us but you can kind of tell that Snowy is a touch jealous. Well last night we were out on the patio enjoying the evening. Bob was sitting between the two cats taking turns kissing them on their heads. When it was time to come in Lennie was cleaning his face and Snowy went over to him and stuck her little face right on his forehead. Len stopped licking his paw, looked at her and continued his grooming. Snowy then just walked by into the house. To see it you would have sworn she went over and kissed him. You can tell she cares about him, almost like she knows he isn't doing that well. It's stuff like this that makes me love cats so much. Lynne ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: I have to share
Sorry, Snowy isn't Felv positive. She was just neglected by this pet store owner who had all his animals seized by the humane society. Many were to ill to save but Snowy was diagnosed with feline herves virus which caused her to have a respiratory infection and an eye infection that took almost two months to clear up. She wasn't turned over to us until she was vet cleared. Lynne - Original Message - From: Madonna Byrd To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 10:24 PM Subject: RE: I have to share It's never ok to mix felv cats with well cats. I have been rescuing cats for 25 years. I GoodSearch for It's Meow or Never Animal Rescue - Sanctuary. Raise money for us just by searching the Internet or shopping online with GoodSearch.com- -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Laurieskatz Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 10:18 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: I have to share Sweet. I love cats. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 9:08 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: I have to share I just felt like telling you folks about something that happened last night with our Snowy and Lennie. Lennie is our 19 year old, who is showing signs of not being with us much longer. He's deaf, frail and weak but still appears to enjoy his life. Snowy is our rescued Persian. Len has not cared for her much since she first came home with us but over the past couple months has agreed to accept her. When we take them outside for fresh air, Snowy will follow Len just like a little puppy but if he turns around she kind of stops and puts her head down. They both get a lot of affection from us but you can kind of tell that Snowy is a touch jealous. Well last night we were out on the patio enjoying the evening. Bob was sitting between the two cats taking turns kissing them on their heads. When it was time to come in Lennie was cleaning his face and Snowy went over to him and stuck her little face right on his forehead. Len stopped licking his paw, looked at her and continued his grooming. Snowy then just walked by into the house. To see it you would have sworn she went over and kissed him. You can tell she cares about him, almost like she knows he isn't doing that well. It's stuff like this that makes me love cats so much. Lynne -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: Sebastian Please add to the CLS :(
Sherry, I'm sorry for your loss. I don't know how wonderful people like you do this kind of work. You truly are exceptional. I know these dear creatures give you lots of love but the amount of sorrow you must endure is beyond my imagination. Lynne - Original Message - From: Sally Davis To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 1:42 AM Subject: Re: Sebastian Please add to the CLS :( Sherry I am sorry to hear of Sebastian's passing. May his spirit fly free along with the rest of his angel buddies. Bless you for helping look after these cats. Sally Davis On 5/26/08, Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am saddened to say that we lost another one of our sanctuary babies. Sebastian was a sweet gray and white boy.On monday he was talking to me alot,maybe he was letting me know that he is leaving. :( I will miss that great boy. Sherry ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior(angel), Tiny(angel) Fluffy(soulmate angel), Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior (newest) I call him JJ , Silver, and Spike Please Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are welcome to sign up. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3 -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Good morning all. This message is by no means a solicitation but I just wanted you to see the bottom of my home page. I hope to raise lots of bucks in the future. So far I've only managed to give $80.00. This is the place my Snowy came from. Lennie came from the humane society and you all know about precious BooBoo. www.mellynsoapandbody.com Lynne ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: Neighbor's cat double pos
What wonderful work you do Kelley. How old is Jack? Has he showed any symptoms? I have little knowledge of this horrible disease, just my own experience with my little guy who died, but I think if the lady is feeding him well and he'd doing ok I wouldn't alarm her with this news. Maybe just tell her the prognosis and to watch for signs of the disease. What else can you do. If he becomes ill and expensive medications are out of the question then I guess we know what has to be done. That's rea;;u moce tjat upi are offering the free spay/neuter to people. I got our Snowy from TLC animal aid and that was included in the fee. $125.00. We still haven't had her spayed because she suffered a little setback and had to have minor surgery, but when we do get her spayed, I'm gonna pay the fee anyway or give it to TLC. The vets that work for these organizations around here are extremely generous with their services to needy animals. Lynne - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika To: felvtalk Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 8:55 PM Subject: Neighbor's cat double pos Hi guys, Lately Rescuties has been expanding our services to include a limited amount of free spay/neuter for the pets of handicapped or housebound folks in the area. I have a neighbor who is wheelchair bound, so we took her female cat up to be spayed a couple of weeks ago. Today we had their male cat, Jack, neutered. Sadly, Jack is double positive. I guess we can have him tested again in 6 months, but we aren't going to be able to do the IFA and certainly no aggressive treatment if he gets sick. We just don't have the funds. I wish we had enough money to help every kitty in Austin, but our primary focus is adoption, and this kitty already has a home. I have no clue what to do here, or how to advise this woman. She is wheelchair bound and the food she feeds the animals comes from the grocery store, which she rides to on her wheelchair. The family does not own a car and I am assuming whatever money they get comes from disability (I didn't ask, I don't like to pry and my primary focus is the cats) but premium foods, supplements and the things we usually advise are probably out of the question. I didn't want to distress or scare her too much - does anyone have any links to non scary FELV info for the lay person? These are nice kind animal loving people, but not highly educated in cat diseases. I don't know if they have internet or not. There is another cat in the home we will be having tested tomorrow (which really is getting outside of our scope again, but what can you do?). Any advice is appreciated. Kelley -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 Check out our Memsaic! http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help with some of our kitties medical needs! http://rescuties.chipin.com/kitties-medical-expenses Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: Hobbs, May 4, 2008
Heather, I'm so sorry about Hobbs. You and your friends Jann are remarkable people. I'm so thankful there are people like you on this earth. I really pray for Jann's sake that Sissy's life has a better outcome. Lynne - Original Message - From: Heather Wienker To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 2:47 PM Subject: Hobbs, May 4, 2008 I am very sad to let everyone know that Hobbs passed away Sunday afternoon at 12:48 p.m. His caregiver, Jann, woke up Saturday and dashed around to replenish suppliesbut when she got home he was clearly declining. She felt he was suffering and made the decision on Sunday to cease force feedings as he was obviously in pain. She did keep his mouth moist and tried to keep him warm, mostly just allowing him to do whatever he wanted or could. She took a sleeping bag in her spare room slept with him Saturday night, and spent Sunday morning in her yard with him in the sun, petting and consoling him. We had been trying to find a vet to come to her home, but he ended up passing on his own...which we are grateful for, though she fears she allowed him to suffer. I think had we not tried the treatments of this last week, we would be wondering if he might have had more time. Please add Hobbs to the Candle Light Service, and keep Jann and his sister Sissy in your prayers, they were two little peas in a pod, as Jann would say. Hobbs was a year old. I am very thankful to Jann for giving Hobbs Sissy the chance to live the life of love that all kitties deserve, regardless of what is in their blood. We found them when, after 20 years in the same building on a busy university campus, I moved to a new office on the other side of campus. I was very nervous about this decision and kept telling everyone I wished that I'd get a sign from God. Upon moving, I had 2 injured feral cats colonies in the first two weeks, and also was approached by a new coworker regarding an injured cat, who was Hobbs' and Sissy's Mom. She had an eye ear injury and my heart immediately told me I had to help her; we did not know she was a nursing Mom. I had been told she was declawed, and that they'd caught her 6 months prior along with a kitten of hers (negative), she also was not injured then. Why she was put back out unspayed, I will never know unless it was because they thought she might have more kittens. When I trapped her, she was not declawed but was positive for FELV, FIV, and a nursing Mom. I really feel that Mama, Sissy, Hobbs, Mickey Sebastian were that sign from God I'd sought, as they would either still be out there reproducing and likely ill, or would have been put down due to testing positive for Leukemia had someone else trapped them. I set out to find/trap the kittens and found out that 2 ladies had already found 2 of them, I had to give them the news of the Mom' testing status. Both of their kittens were weak double+, but did clear the FIV. Initially Sissy and Hobbs were only FIV+, but they retested positive for Leukemia a month later, confirmed by retesting twice. I was so upset by all that this Mom kitty had been through, and knowing that much of it--including this litter of kittens with leukemia, could have been prevented had she been spayed...there was no way I could not give them their chance. However, being in a small condo with 10 cats, I didn't even have room for another negative cat. It is Hobbs' caretaker, Jann, who gave Hobbs and Sissy the chance for life and love that they deserved, and I know they could not have had a more loving home. I am very grateful for Jann, and know she is hurting badly right now. I want to thank everyone for their kindness, support, advice and prayers. Hobbs was a very special boy, when I first took them to Jann's as kittens she said she felt an instant connection, she has always told me this. His illness and loss has been very hard for her and she has been very appreciative of the support. Thank you all for giving these special kitties love for the time that they have here, it means everything in the world for them. In Loving Memory of Hobbs, Heather
Re: New Member
Laurie, I totally agree with you about herpes and stress level. I told you folks about the rescued Persian, Snowy, I adopted. She was a very sick girl for 2 months and the foster mom got her healthy. Her eyes were swollen shut and she also had a URI. Since we've had her we have done everything humanly possible to make her life happy and stress free and she is absolutely thriving. Her one eye apparently has a bit of scarring but you would never know this poor little thing ever had a problem. We have had to delay her spaying because we discovered she had a toenail that had grown into her pad and needed surgery. She was so hysterical at the vets that she needed to be sedated. There was fear of her losing her one pad but she's recovered beautifully and on her return visit to the vet he was amazed that new skin was growing and after two weeks now there is a very small black scab left. She also was a perfect little lady at the return visit unlike the first time when the vet referred to her as a very bad kitty. Good diet and a stress free life are so important to these cats. She is now on L-lysine as a supplement as you suggested. I don't know if she really needs it but it certainly doesn't hurt. I so hope things continue to go as well as they have for her. She seems to be the happiest, most playful cat we've ever had. Lynne - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 9:44 PM Subject: Re: New Member Welcome Laura and Laura! L- lysine is great for herpes. You might want to join the feline herpes group, too. Those kitties can have eye and mouth problems. Winston (probable herpes) also has unexplained high fevers and anorexia on rare occasions - it is touch and go at those time. For herpes, the main thing to to keep their stress level low (for FeLV, too). The feline acne group has lots of info on allergies (the fur loss could be allergies or stress grooming). Check out www.catinfo.org for food info. This site belongs to a veterinarian who also does rescue. She likes Wellness and suggests the grain free diets. The best food I have found for mine is Petguard turkey and barley lite. All five like it and all seem to be thriving on it. Of course, it does have grains. I feed it because Frankie had panreatitis and needed a low fat food. Good luck and I hope others may have more insight into your combination of issues (ps my Frankie is blind) Laurie - Original Message - From: Belinda Sauro To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 7:30 PM Subject: New Member I'm posting for Laura because she can't subscribe, list problems, Jim is working on them. You can post on the list to answer she is going to read the archives for answers! Her message is below: -- Hi All, I've tried subscribing to this list but for some reason the form won't go through. I've sent an e-mail to the list holder. I figured for now, I'll just read from the archives but would like to introduce myself to you all :) My name is Laura, I live in Jersey and currently have 7 wonderful kitties. My newest family member is FeLV+, 2 years old, and also named Laura, (I'll fill you in on that in a bit) she is blind (very bad herpes infection as a kitten) has one bad eye and the other was removed last year. Her background: About 2 years ago my neighbor and I had to clean up a colony down the street from us of about 50 cats and kittens, we had them all fixed, some were TNR'd and the adoptables were given to a local rescue to find homes. I fostered all the kittens except 2 which who went straight to my vets office since they had eye issues, and I knew the rescue I deal with would not take them and try to place them. The kittens were named Laura and Dave, and tested Neg for FeLV. About a 3rd of this colony tested Pos, so we knew it was in the colony...but all the kittens were testing Neg. I ended up keeping one of the kittens (Rusty) and had him tested 3 times, because one of the kittens we adopted out later tested positive when the family vet tested her.Anyway, Laura and Dave lived at my vets for the past 2 years with several other cats. My vet took Dave home several months ago and Laura started having problems with a new cat that was bullying her. I found out about it and offered to take Laura, since I already have a blind cat and have no problem with it. I brought her home and put her in a room with a screen door, so she could smell my other cats and get to know them without any issues, plus I work long hours and didn't want her wandering around my house unsupervised yet. My vet had sent out an IFA test for Laura just to be sure she was Neg, at my request. Well, it came back positive. She then did snap tests on cats
Re: my poor snowy
We can't keep the hood on her. She became hysterical. She can be a very high strung little girl and fight like a lion when she has to do something she doesn't want to. I did manage to get the Clindamycin capsules down her this morning with only one scratch. She is on this for a couple weeks so we're in for a stressful time. I just called the vet and told them the story about the hood and the technician said occasional licking is ok, it's just constant licking that can present a problem. When Bob picked her up last night the vet told him he had washed her eyes AGAIN. I had to take my dad back home so wasn't able to go. I think I would have given him a real lashing if I had been there. Whatever he put in her eyes stained her fur horribly, not that I care what she looks like, but when we tried washing her face with a warm cloth it smeared all over. Fortunately we won't have to go back there. The vet did say to absolutely cancel her spaying though which certainly makes sense. I can't imagine Frankie or any animal wearing one of those things for 2 weeks especially if the poor dear is blind. There has to be a better way. I hope Frankie's biopsy turns out ok. Lynne - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 9:00 AM Subject: Re: my poor snowy Poor baby. At least you found it! Frankie wa sent home with a hood yesterday after his biopsy. He promptly removed it. He is blind so needs those whiskers to navigate. I am not sure what I will do as he is supposed to thave the hood on for 2 weeks! BTW, that vet had no business washing her eyes without your permission, imo. L - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 6:32 PM Subject: my poor snowy Well I won't be taking Snowy in for spaying this coming week. I went to clip her nails tonight and noticed that there was a big lump on her right paw. When I touched it she meowed so I got her into the emergency vet. They told me I did nothing wrong that this had happened to her over a very long period of time. Her nail had grown into her skin, along with hair and they had to put her under and remove it. It had grown far into her pad and couldn't be removed easily. I don't get this. She had seen 2 vets prior to our getting her and no one noticed this. Now the poor little thing has to be on antibiotics (Clindamycin) and wear one of those horrible hood things so she won't lick her paw. She had a piece taken out of it and cauterized. I am so sorry for what this poor little dear has been through in her short life. I just hope all this trauma doesn't cause her herpes virus to resurface. The first thing the vet did when we got her there was to squirt eye wash into her eyes and she got all upset. I kind of yelled at him for doing that and asked why. He said she looks like she has allergies and I said she's a persian their eyes tear. Fortunately there was a very knowledgeable technician present who seemed to know a lot more than this guy did. Lynne
Re: my poor snowy
OK Sharyl. She is a big water drinker but I'll make sure she gets some after I give the capsules. - Original Message - From: Sharyl To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 5:07 PM Subject: Re: my poor snowy Lynne, be sure to chase that capsule with some food or water. Cats have a really long esophagus. All meds should be followed by water or food to make sure they get to the tummy. Glad you are able to pill her. The horrid taste is why I mix the liquid Clindamycin with the baby food. Sharyl Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sharyl, BooBoo was given a prescription for Clindamycin liquid when he was alive, chicken flavored. He almost choked on it. I tasted it and it was disgusting. Snowball is even worse when it comes to fighting, so I just did as our vet showed us. Back her up against me, between my legs, gently pull her upper jaw up and throw the capsules down her throat. Sounds kind of brutal but even though she shook her head like crazy, they went down. She's a really messy eater so If I put the capsule contents in her food, it would probably be missed. As nerve wracking as just giving her the pills is, at least I know she gets them. Lynne - Original Message - From: Sharyl To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 10:40 AM Subject: Re: my poor snowy Sorry Snowy is having such a rough time. I can't imagine any of mine putting up with a hood. Clindamycin is also available as a liquid if that would be easier to admin but it is nasty tasting stuff. Mine get hysterical with any pill. But I can crush the pills, mix with 1-2 cc of water and a tsp or 2 of meat baby food (no onions or garlic). Mine will lick this mixture off a spoon or you could syringe it. I hope Frankie leaves the stitch es alone so you don't have to get another collar. Hugs to Snowy and Frankie Sharyl Sissy and Stormie Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We can't keep the hood on her. She became hysterical. She can be a very high strung little girl and fight like a lion when she has to do something she doesn't want to. I did manage to get the Clindamycin capsules down her this morning with only one scratch. She is on this for a couple weeks so we're in for a stressful time. I just called the vet and told them the story about the hood and the technician said occasional licking is ok, it's just constant licking that can present a problem. When Bob picked her up last night the vet told him he had washed her eyes AGAIN. I had to take my dad back home so wasn't able to go. I think I would have given him a real lashing if I had been there. Whatever he put in her eyes stained her fur horribly, not that I care what she looks like, but when we tried washing her face with a warm cloth it smeared all over. Fortunately we won't have to go back there. The vet did say to absolutely cancel her spaying though which certainly makes sense. I can't imagine Frankie or any animal wearing one of those things for 2 weeks especially if the poor dear is blind. There has to be a better way. I hope Frankie's biopsy turns out ok. Lynne - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 9:00 AM Subject: Re: my poor snowy Poor baby. At least you found it! Frankie wa sent home with a hood yesterday after his biopsy. He promptly removed it. He is blind so needs those whiskers to navigate. I am not sure what I will do as he is supposed to thave the hoo d on for 2 weeks! BTW, that vet had no business washing her eyes without your permission, imo. L - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 6:32 PM Subject: my poor snowy Well I won't be taking Snowy in for spaying this coming week. I went to clip her nails tonight and noticed that there was a big lump on her right paw. When I touched it she meowed so I go t her into the emergency vet. They told me I did nothing wrong that this had happened to her over a very long period of time. Her nail had grown into her skin, along with hair and they had to put her under and remove it. It had grown far into her pad and couldn't be removed easily. I don't get this. She had seen 2 vets prior to our getting her and no one noticed this. Now the poor little thing has to be on antibiotics (Clindamycin) and wear one of those horrible hood things so she won't lick her paw. She had a piece taken out of it and cauterized. I am so sorry for what this poor little dear has been through in her short life. I just hope all this trauma doesn't cause her herpes virus to resurface. The first thing the vet did when we
Re: spaying
I will mention that to him when I take her in, but for some reason I believe the technician told me they would be doing that. Lynne - Original Message - From: laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 9:45 PM Subject: Re: spaying Lynne, maybe you can request oxygen? My Frankie is having surgery to remove some lumps and have them biopsied tomorrow. He is asthmatic. I requested oxygen. L - Original Message - From: Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 3:45 PM Subject: Re: spaying Thanks Dede, I realize I'm concerned about a procedure that is routine but I was still worried about her little pushed in nose and having difficulty in breathing while under but the technician I spoke to told me that she would be carefully monitored during the procedure. After all she has been through in her short 3 years I just feel bad about having to subject her to anything that involves pain. She's just so happy now. And I'm still kind of in disbelief about what happened with BooBoo. I just don't take anything for granted anymore when it comes to my pets. Lynne - Original Message - From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 5:14 PM Subject: Re: spaying Lynne, I know how you feel. Your new little one is healthy. If you go to a capable vet that uses iso for anesthesis, and does monitoring, she'll be fine. I have seen the proceedure done many times. We waited almost a year to do our Dusty because she has a hypoplastic trachia, and asthma. I was a basket case, but my wonderful vet called a specialist, and they used a kitten sized tube to intubate her during the surgery. She is now 10 yrs old...fat and very content. Good luck and God bless. Dede When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 --- On Thu, 4/24/08, Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: spaying To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, April 24, 2008, 9:47 PM Hi all, I haven't posted in a while but have been reading all the emails. I guess this is a little off topic but I need some reassurance. This coming Thursday we are taking our Snowy in to be spayed. It was part of the contract I signed when we adopted her from the foster mom. She's the rescued girl we got after BooBoo died. She's a 3 year old persian and I am scared to death about doing this. We've had her for about a month and the vet thought it a good idea that we wait til she adjusted to us, which took about a day. She had been neglected in the past and had basically lived in a cage until she was rescued. She had feline herpes and a respiratory infection when she was taken but recovered nicely and was immunized when we got her. I just keep thinking that if we had not had BooBoo neutered he may have fared better. I truly believe that it hastened his demise. I hope I'm wrong about this and even though we have always had our cats neutered, I realize spaying is a little more complicated. The vet assured us she would be fine but if we lost her I don't think we'd ever recover. She is an amazing precious little girl. We haven't had a younger cat in the house for a long time and she is so playful and comes to bed with me every night when I go upstairs. She talks to us all the time in these little meows and you can tell she is really happy. The field worker who investigated BooBoo's previous owners came by last week to meet her and see how she was doing and was amazed at her too. He commented that we were lucky to get her because hundreds of people applied. She's kind of a poster child in this area for abused animals. He also said she was very lucky to have got us, which was very nice of him. Lynne Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
my poor snowy
Well I won't be taking Snowy in for spaying this coming week. I went to clip her nails tonight and noticed that there was a big lump on her right paw. When I touched it she meowed so I got her into the emergency vet. They told me I did nothing wrong that this had happened to her over a very long period of time. Her nail had grown into her skin, along with hair and they had to put her under and remove it. It had grown far into her pad and couldn't be removed easily. I don't get this. She had seen 2 vets prior to our getting her and no one noticed this. Now the poor little thing has to be on antibiotics (Clindamycin) and wear one of those horrible hood things so she won't lick her paw. She had a piece taken out of it and cauterized. I am so sorry for what this poor little dear has been through in her short life. I just hope all this trauma doesn't cause her herpes virus to resurface. The first thing the vet did when we got her there was to squirt eye wash into her eyes and she got all upset. I kind of yelled at him for doing that and asked why. He said she looks like she has allergies and I said she's a persian their eyes tear. Fortunately there was a very knowledgeable technician present who seemed to know a lot more than this guy did. Lynne
Re: my poor snowy
I suppose you're right there Dede. We've never had problems clipping Lennie's nails and I did clip Snowy's left paw last week. She has a scratching post and uses it regularly so I wasn't too concerned that she wouldn't let me do her right side. Now I know why she wouldn't let me. I think she's a little ticked at me right now. She won't even let me pet her. Lynne - Original Message - From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 8:48 PM Subject: Re: my poor snowy Well, they say things happen for a reason. An infected paw wouldn't help anything heal. Glad you found it. I have a cat who has that happen all the time. He is semi feral, and the vet has to clip his hails. He is diabetic, and i don't mess with that. Give her extra loves...as if I had to tell you to do that!!! Dede When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 --- On Sat, 4/26/08, Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: my poor snowy To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, April 26, 2008, 8:32 PM Well I won't be taking Snowy in for spaying this coming week. I went to clip her nails tonight and noticed that there was a big lump on her right paw. When I touched it she meowed so I got her into the emergency vet. They told me I did nothing wrong that this had happened to her over a very long period of time. Her nail had grown into her skin, along with hair and they had to put her under and remove it. It had grown far into her pad and couldn't be removed easily. I don't get this. She had seen 2 vets prior to our getting her and no one noticed this. Now the poor little thing has to be on antibiotics (Clindamycin) and wear one of those horrible hood things so she won't lick her paw. She had a piece taken out of it and cauterized. I am so sorry for what this poor little dear has been through in her short life. I just hope all this trauma doesn't cause her herpes virus to resurface. The first thing the vet did when we got her there was to squirt eye wash into her eyes and she got all upset. I kind of yelled at him for doing that and asked why. He said she looks like she has allergies and I said she's a persian their eyes tear. Fortunately there was a very knowledgeable technician present who seemed to know a lot more than this guy did. Lynne Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: my poor snowy
I imagine she will feel a lot better in a few days Diane. You would never have known this was bothering her. She plays and runs and is always purring. The tech said it's not unusual. Often you don't know a cat is ill or hurts until he vomits or has diarrhea or some obvious symptom. At least I don't have to worry about her being spayed this Wednesday because it isn't going to happen. This will give me an opportunity to get her on some of that Lysine stuff too. It can wait another month. She's been through enough for a while. Lynne - Original Message - From: Diane Rosenfeldt To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 8:42 PM Subject: RE: my poor snowy Oh, the poor sweetie! But she'll feel better now without that nasty ingrow. Here 's wishing both of you a noneventful spay, when the time is right, and sensitive vets and techs. Diane R. -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 7:32 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: my poor snowy Well I won't be taking Snowy in for spaying this coming week. I went to clip her nails tonight and noticed that there was a big lump on her right paw. When I touched it she meowed so I got her into the emergency vet. They told me I did nothing wrong that this had happened to her over a very long period of time. Her nail had grown into her skin, along with hair and they had to put her under and remove it. It had grown far into her pad and couldn't be removed easily. I don't get this. She had seen 2 vets prior to our getting her and no one noticed this. Now the poor little thing has to be on antibiotics (Clindamycin) and wear one of those horrible hood things so she won't lick her paw. She had a piece taken out of it and cauterized. I am so sorry for what this poor little dear has been through in her short life. I just hope all this trauma doesn't cause her herpes virus to resurface. The first thing the vet did when we got her there was to squirt eye wash into her eyes and she got all upset. I kind of yelled at him for doing that and asked why. He said she looks like she has allergies and I said she's a persian their eyes tear. Fortunately there was a very knowledgeable technician present who seemed to know a lot more than this guy did. Lynne
Re: spaying
Kelley, this rescue does the same thing, neuters or spays before the animals are released BUT I so bugged these people about Snowy and practically begged for her, the foster mom and the vet let us have her with the agreement we would bring her in for spaying in April. Dumb me, should have waited the extra couple of weeks and I wouldn't be worrying about this now. I did call the vet the other day and asked if there was any additional risk with her being a persian and basically having no nose and they assured me there wasn't. - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 12:50 AM Subject: Re: spaying Hi Lynne, I know it is scary - I used to be scared to death every time I did it...that's why our rescue does it for people so they come already spayed:) But really it is a very safe procedure..try not to worry TOO much..easier said than done I know! On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 8:47 PM, Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I haven't posted in a while but have been reading all the emails. I guess this is a little off topic but I need some reassurance. This coming Thursday we are taking our Snowy in to be spayed. It was part of the contract I signed when we adopted her from the foster mom. She's the rescued girl we got after BooBoo died. She's a 3 year old persian and I am scared to death about doing this. We've had her for about a month and the vet thought it a good idea that we wait til she adjusted to us, which took about a day. She had been neglected in the past and had basically lived in a cage until she was rescued. She had feline herpes and a respiratory infection when she was taken but recovered nicely and was immunized when we got her. I just keep thinking that if we had not had BooBoo neutered he may have fared better. I truly believe that it hastened his demise. I hope I'm wrong about this and even though we have always had our cats neutered, I realize spaying is a little more complicated. The vet assured us she would be fine but if we lost her I don't think we'd ever recover. She is an amazing precious little girl. We haven't had a younger cat in the house for a long time and she is so playful and comes to bed with me every night when I go upstairs. She talks to us all the time in these little meows and you can tell she is really happy. The field worker who investigated BooBoo's previous owners came by last week to meet her and see how she was doing and was amazed at her too. He commented that we were lucky to get her because hundreds of people applied. She's kind of a poster child in this area for abused animals. He also said she was very lucky to have got us, which was very nice of him. Lynne -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 Check out our Memsaic! http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help Clarissa! http://rescuties.chipin.com/clarissasheart Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone.
Re: spaying
Thank you Sharyl. I've written this down and will definitely ask him when I see him about pain meds and the anesthesia. Lynne - Original Message - From: Sharyl To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 5:43 AM Subject: Re: spaying Lynne, I know it is scary. My Rocket was just spayed Tuesday and came thru with flying colors. You can ask the vet what type of anesthesia they use. My vet used isoflurane. Sevoflurane also puts less strain on the cat. Be sure to tell the vet you do not want Metacam given as a pain med. Not the injection or oral liquid. Even though a single Metacam injection is approved by the FDA for use in cats it has caused chronic renal failure in som e kitties. Buprenorphine (Buprenex) has been used for kitties with no adverse affect. There is always a risk with anesthesia but there are also risks not spaying her. The incidence of mammary cancer is higher in kitties that have not been spayed. We'll keep our fingers and toes crossed for her. Sharyl Sissy and Rocket Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I haven't posted in a while but have been reading all the emails. I guess this is a little off topic but I need some reassurance. This coming Thur sday we are taking our Snowy in to be spayed. It was part of the contract I signed when we adopted her from the foster mom. She's the rescued girl we got after BooBoo died. She's a 3 year old persian and I am scared to death about doing this. We've had her for about a month and the vet thought it a good idea that we wait til she adjusted to us, which took about a day. She had been neglected in the past and had basically lived in a cage until she was rescued. She had feline herpes and a respiratory infection when she was taken but recovered nicely and was immunized when we got her. I just keep thinking that if we had not had BooBoo neutered he may have fared better. I truly believe that it hastened his demise. I hope I'm wrong about this and even though we have always had our cats neutered, I realize spaying is a little more complicated. The vet assured us she would be fine but if we lost her I don't think we'd ever re cover. She is an amazing precious little girl. We haven't had a younger cat in the house for a long time and she is so playful and comes to bed with me every night when I go upstairs. She talks to us all the time in these little meows and you can tell she is really happy. The field worker who investigated BooBoo's previous owners came by last week to meet her and see how she was doing and was amazed at her too. He commented that we were lucky to get her because hundreds of people applied. She's kind of a poster child in this area for abused animals. He also said she was very lucky to have got us, which was very nice of him. Lynne -- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
Re: spaying
Thanks Dede, I realize I'm concerned about a procedure that is routine but I was still worried about her little pushed in nose and having difficulty in breathing while under but the technician I spoke to told me that she would be carefully monitored during the procedure. After all she has been through in her short 3 years I just feel bad about having to subject her to anything that involves pain. She's just so happy now. And I'm still kind of in disbelief about what happened with BooBoo. I just don't take anything for granted anymore when it comes to my pets. Lynne - Original Message - From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 5:14 PM Subject: Re: spaying Lynne, I know how you feel. Your new little one is healthy. If you go to a capable vet that uses iso for anesthesis, and does monitoring, she'll be fine. I have seen the proceedure done many times. We waited almost a year to do our Dusty because she has a hypoplastic trachia, and asthma. I was a basket case, but my wonderful vet called a specialist, and they used a kitten sized tube to intubate her during the surgery. She is now 10 yrs old...fat and very content. Good luck and God bless. Dede When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 --- On Thu, 4/24/08, Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: spaying To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, April 24, 2008, 9:47 PM Hi all, I haven't posted in a while but have been reading all the emails. I guess this is a little off topic but I need some reassurance. This coming Thursday we are taking our Snowy in to be spayed. It was part of the contract I signed when we adopted her from the foster mom. She's the rescued girl we got after BooBoo died. She's a 3 year old persian and I am scared to death about doing this. We've had her for about a month and the vet thought it a good idea that we wait til she adjusted to us, which took about a day. She had been neglected in the past and had basically lived in a cage until she was rescued. She had feline herpes and a respiratory infection when she was taken but recovered nicely and was immunized when we got her. I just keep thinking that if we had not had BooBoo neutered he may have fared better. I truly believe that it hastened his demise. I hope I'm wrong about this and even though we have always had our cats neutered, I realize spaying is a little more complicated. The vet assured us she would be fine but if we lost her I don't think we'd ever recover. She is an amazing precious little girl. We haven't had a younger cat in the house for a long time and she is so playful and comes to bed with me every night when I go upstairs. She talks to us all the time in these little meows and you can tell she is really happy. The field worker who investigated BooBoo's previous owners came by last week to meet her and see how she was doing and was amazed at her too. He commented that we were lucky to get her because hundreds of people applied. She's kind of a poster child in this area for abused animals. He also said she was very lucky to have got us, which was very nice of him. Lynne Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
spaying
Hi all, I haven't posted in a while but have been reading all the emails. I guess this is a little off topic but I need some reassurance. This coming Thursday we are taking our Snowy in to be spayed. It was part of the contract I signed when we adopted her from the foster mom. She's the rescued girl we got after BooBoo died. She's a 3 year old persian and I am scared to death about doing this. We've had her for about a month and the vet thought it a good idea that we wait til she adjusted to us, which took about a day. She had been neglected in the past and had basically lived in a cage until she was rescued. She had feline herpes and a respiratory infection when she was taken but recovered nicely and was immunized when we got her. I just keep thinking that if we had not had BooBoo neutered he may have fared better. I truly believe that it hastened his demise. I hope I'm wrong about this and even though we have always had our cats neutered, I realize spaying is a little more complicated. The vet assured us she would be fine but if we lost her I don't think we'd ever recover. She is an amazing precious little girl. We haven't had a younger cat in the house for a long time and she is so playful and comes to bed with me every night when I go upstairs. She talks to us all the time in these little meows and you can tell she is really happy. The field worker who investigated BooBoo's previous owners came by last week to meet her and see how she was doing and was amazed at her too. He commented that we were lucky to get her because hundreds of people applied. She's kind of a poster child in this area for abused animals. He also said she was very lucky to have got us, which was very nice of him. Lynne
Re: Please add Inky to CLS
Kerry I'm sorry for your loss. It matters not how old or how tragic their death is, it hurts the same amount. My old guy, 19, is on a downward path health wise and I know how difficult the day will be when we have to let him go. Lynne - Original Message - From: Kerry Roach To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 4:54 AM Subject: Fw: Please add Inky to CLS I didn't see this posted at the group so I thought I would re-send it. I guess there has been a problem with the sight. Hope this was ok. Thanks, Kerry --- On Thu, 4/17/08, Kerry Roach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Kerry Roach [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Please add Inky to CLS To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, April 17, 2008, 6:51 PM Hi everyone, I think some of you might remember helping me with Inky back when Bandy was ill. Although Inky wasn't felv+, I would like him added to friends at the CLS. He was Buster and Lil Rascal's uncle. He was 21 yrs 8 months and 4 days. He fought a tough battle with CRF, IBD, and hyper-t for the past 2 1/2 yrs. He went on his own terms and in his own time..He did some really unusual things the last 10 days prior to his death. Just re-visiting some of his favorite places in the house and such..He was one exceptional kitty, and I miss him so much..The place isn't the same without him as most of you know how that is. Anyway, he passed on April 13, Sunday. Thanks so much for all your help in the past and if I can ever help with anything I would be glad to do so..I hope to get back on here real soon. Kerry, Angel's Bandy, Inky, Buster, Lil Rascal, Snoopy, Striper, Albert and Alberta -- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. -- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
Re: Junior's story
How beautifully touching Sally. It still breaks my heart to read about these losses. Lynne - Original Message - From: Sally Davis To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 7:54 PM Subject: Junior's story I just posted a tribute to Junior on my website. There is a picture of him as a baby. He is a very condensed version of his life. Today is the three week anniversary of when he joined his brother Tiny in heaven. He touched my life and I will always remember him. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/viewtopic.php?f=5t=62 Sally -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior(angel), Tiny(angel) Fluffy(soulmate angel), Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior (newest) I call him JJ , Silver, and Spike Please Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are welcome to sign up. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3
Re: re Foxy/ bad news
Kathy, I'm so very sorry for you. Knowing what I know now, rather than let her suffer or have to struggle to breathe, I would take the most humane approach and have the vet give her a sedative via catheter and euthanize. I'm sorry to sound hopeless, but we know that at this stage hope just doesn't work. If they have given her only 24 to 48 hours and her blood count is very low, there is really nothing that can reverse this. I didn't make it to the transfusion either with our little guy. He was dehydrated and I was finally made to realize that his time had come to go. I really am so so sorry for what you are going through. It's just so painful. Lynne - Original Message - From: Kathy Dillard To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 1:38 PM Subject: re Foxy/ bad news We took our kitten Foxy to the vet and she only has about 24-48 hours to live.The leukemia has taken over and her blood count is very very low. We are heart sick but want to do what is best for her and I dont want to prolong her suffering. The vet said we have done a good job keeping her healthy. They gave her a water shot for deydration and a perscription for oxygen. I have never had any experience with this and would like to know other members thoughts on this. Should we get the oxygen for her? They said she would probably not survive a blood transfusion. Any advice would be appreciated. kathy -- No Cost - Get a month of Blockbuster Total Access now. Sweet deal for Yahoo! users and friends.
Re: re spaying my kitten
Kathy, personally, unless she has had bloodwork showing she is the healthiest positive cat on the planet, I would not do it. I was told that the stress of wanting to breed is harder on a cat than the stress of undergoing neutering but if I had to do it again, I would never have had my positive male neutered. Although he was pretty far advanced leukemia wise, I truly believe his neutering caused him many additional problems that hastened his death. As we know, spaying is a much bigger procedure than neutering. If she is going to be an indoor cat only and you are willing to go through heats I would not do it. Just my take on things. I now have a 3 year old female who has Feline Herpes Virus, inactive at the moment, and I've only had her for a week. I am not even going to think about spaying for at least a month. I want her to be in excellent health, stress free etc before I'll even consider it. Lynne - Original Message - From: Kathy Dillard To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 10:18 AM Subject: re spaying my kitten My female kitten Foxy is about 8 1/2 months old. She has tested positive for feline leukemia and is currently on a daily dose of interferon. My vet has recommended having her spayed . Please advise and discuss pros and cons. I feel very anxious and scared about having this procedure done but want to do the right thing for Foxy. kathy -- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
Re: re spaying my kitten
Well, I guess you have to trust your vet. I still have misgivings about it but will be getting my girl spayed also. I must confess I am very nervous about having it done. She will never be an outdoor cat so there is no cause for worry there but I think part of my adoption agreement was that I do get her spayed. Why is your little one on interferon? Has she had routine blood work done to make sure her CBC is ok? There was a young leukemia positive cat, around 8 months old, at our vets whose bloodwork was excellent and she was going to be spayed. So I don't know what the best thing to do is. I never had a cat that was terminally ill before until Boo and it just seemed everything went downhill rapidly after he was neutered. I'm just a little paranoid these days. Lynne - Original Message - From: Kathy Dillard To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 6:14 PM Subject: Re: re spaying my kitten She was just checked by the vet and she has gianed weight (6 lbs) and the vet said she seems very healthy. The vet said that cats that are not spayed have more problems with cancer. She has been in heat twice now and it does seem to stress her out some and she eats less during that time Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: STYLE Kathy, personally, unless she has had bloodwork showing she is the healthiest positive cat on the planet, I would not do it. I was told that the stress of wanting to breed is harder on a cat than the stress of undergoing neutering but if I had to do it again, I would never have had my positive male neutered. Although he was pretty far advanced leukemia wise, I truly believe his neutering caused him many additional problems that hastened his death. As we know, spaying is a much bigger procedure than neutering. If she is going to be an indoor cat only and you are willing to go through heats I would not do it. Just my take on things. I now have a 3 year old female who has Feline Herpes Virus, inactive at the moment, and I've only had her for a week. I am not even going to think about spaying for at least a month. I want her to be in excellent health, stress free etc before I'll even consider it. Lynne - Original Message - From: Kathy Dillard To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 10:18 AM Subject: re spaying my kitten My female kitten Foxy is about 8 1/2 months old. She has tested positive for feline leukemia and is currently on a daily dose of interferon. My vet has recomm ended having her spayed . Please advise and discuss pros and cons. I feel very anxious and scared about having this procedure done but want to do the right thing for Foxy. kathy -- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. kathy -- Like movies? Here's a limited-time offer: Blockbuster Total Access for one month at no cost.
Re: re spaying my kitten
No, I wish I had known my cat was positive a year ago and I would have put him on interferon then. By the time we did, it was way too late. Actually I gave the Interferon to the Clinic and it was going to be used for a healthy positive cat. I'm sure this will be of great benefit to your little girl. Lynne - Original Message - From: Kathy Dillard To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 6:33 PM Subject: Re: re spaying my kitten The last time she was at the vet was for shots and the vet told us to bring her back in three weeks for a distemper shot and to discuss having her sapyed. I believe they said they would do blood work at that time. After she tested positive for feline leukemis I think their protocol is to just keep her on interferon all the time. Do you think that is a bad idea? Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I guess you have to trust your vet. I still have misgivings about it but will be getting my girl spayed also. I must confess I am very nervous about having it done. She will never be an outdoor cat so there is no cause for worry there but I think part of my adoption agreement was that I do get her spayed. Why is your little one on interferon? Has she had routine blood work done to make sure her CBC is ok? There was a young leukemia positive cat, around 8 months old, at our vets whose bloodwork was excellent and she was going to be spayed. So I don't know what the best thing to do is. I never had a cat that was terminally ill before until Boo and it just seemed everything went downhill rapidly after he was neutered. I'm just a little paranoid these days. Lynne - Original Message - From: Kathy Dillard To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 6:14 PM Subject: Re: re spaying my kitten She was just checked by the vet and she has gianed weight (6 lbs) and the vet said she seems very healthy. The vet said that cats that are not spayed have more problems with cancer. She has be en in heat twice now and it does seem to stress her out some and she eats less during that time Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: STYLE Kathy, personally, unless she has had bloodwork showing she is the healthiest positive cat on the planet, I would not do it. I was told that the stress of wanting to breed is harder on a cat than the stress of undergoing neutering but if I had to do it again, I would never have had my positive male neutered. Although he was pretty far advanced leukemia wise, I truly believe his neutering caused him many additional problems that hastened his death. As we know, spaying is a much bigger procedure than neutering. If she is going to be an indoor cat onl y and you are willing to go through heats I would not do it. Just my take on things. I now have a 3 year old female who has Feline Herpes Virus, inactive at the moment, and I've only had her for a week. I am not even going to think about spaying for at least a month. I want her to be in excellent health, stress free etc before I'll even consider it. Lynne - Original Message - From: Kathy Dillard To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 10:18 AM Subject: re spaying my kitten My female kitten Foxy is about 8 1/2 months old. She has tested positive for feline leukemia and is currently on a daily dose of interferon. My vet has recomm ended having her spayed . Please advise and discuss pros and cons. I feel very anxious and scared about having this procedure done but want to do the right thing for Foxy. kathy -- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. kathy -- Like movies? Here's a limited-time offer: Blockbuster Total Access for one month at no cost. kathy -- Special deal for Yahoo! users friends - No Cost. Get a month of Blockbuster Total Access now
Re: re spaying my kitten
That was our plan too but he only had 2 shots and had to be put down because of complications with FIP and his leukemia. - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 8:59 PM Subject: Re: re spaying my kitten Isabella gets interferon 7 days on/7 days off. - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 7:51 PM Subject: Re: re spaying my kitten No, I wish I had known my cat was positive a year ago and I would have put him on interferon then. By the time we did, it was way too late. Actually I gave the Interferon to the Clinic and it was going to be used for a healthy positive cat. I'm sure this will be of great benefit to your little girl. Lynne - Original Message - From: Kathy Dillard To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 6:33 PM Subject: Re: re spaying my kitten The last time she was at the vet was for shots and the vet told us to bring her back in three weeks for a distemper shot and to discuss having her sapyed. I believe they said they would do blood work at that time. After she tested positive for feline leukemis I think their protocol is to just keep her on interferon all the time. Do you think that is a bad idea? Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I guess you have to trust your vet. I still have misgivings about it but will be getting my girl spayed also. I must confess I am very nervous about having it done. She will never be an outdoor cat so there is no cause for worry there but I think part of my adoption agreement was that I do get her spayed. Why is your little one on interferon? Has she had routine blood work done to make sure her CBC is ok? There was a young leukemia positive cat, around 8 months old, at our vets whose bloodwork was excellent and she was going to be spayed. So I don't know what the best thing to do is. I never had a cat that was terminally ill before until Boo and it just seemed everything went downhill rapidly after he was neutered. I'm just a little paranoid these days. Lynne - Original Message - From: Kathy Dillard To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 6:14 PM Subject: Re: re spaying my kitten She was just checked by the vet and she has gianed weight (6 lbs) and the vet said she seems very healthy. The vet said that cats that are not spayed have more problems with cancer. She has be en in heat twice now and it does seem to stress her out some and she eats less during that time Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: STYLE Kathy, personally, unless she has had bloodwork showing she is the healthiest positive cat on the planet, I would not do it. I was told that the stress of wanting to breed is harder on a cat than the stress of undergoing neutering but if I had to do it again, I would never have had my positive male neutered. Although he was pretty far advanced leukemia wise, I truly believe his neutering caused him many additional problems that hastened his death. As we know, spaying is a much bigger procedure than neutering. If she is going to be an indoor cat onl y and you are willing to go through heats I would not do it. Just my take on things. I now have a 3 year old female who has Feline Herpes Virus, inactive at the moment, and I've only had her for a week. I am not even going to think about spaying for at least a month. I want her to be in excellent health, stress free etc before I'll even consider it. Lynne - Original Message - From: Kathy Dillard To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 10:18 AM Subject: re spaying my kitten My female kitten Foxy is about 8 1/2 months old. She has tested positive for feline leukemia and is currently on a daily dose of interferon. My vet has recomm ended having her spayed . Please advise and discuss pros and cons. I feel very anxious and scared about having this procedure done but want to do the right thing for Foxy. kathy -- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. kathy -- Like movies? Here's a limited-time offer: Blockbuster Total Access for one month at no cost. kathy -- Special deal for Yahoo! users friends - No Cost. Get a month of Blockbuster Total Access now
Re: Zeus Please add to the CLS :(
I'm sorry Sherry. I hope the dear boy had an easy passing. Lynne - Original Message - From: Sherry DeHaan To: Felvtalk Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 8:23 PM Subject: Zeus Please add to the CLS :( Well this was a bit of a shock for us. Zeus has been battling a URI and we have had to keep his nose clean all the time.He was one big boy with quite the cattitude.He would stalk me when I handed out individual feedings at Sids.He loved baby food!! I used to argue with him but then recently began a little bit of a friendship with him.He has been so sweet the last couple of weeks.He has been there longer than I have been volunteering,he will be missed by us all.I guess the infection moved into his brain .Bye sweet Zeus Sherry -- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
Re: Starting again
Oh I hope this works out for you Beth. I love Siamese cats. Lynne - Original Message - From: Beth Gouldin To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 4:07 PM Subject: Starting again Hi everyone! Well, we are 36 hours into a two week trial adoption of a young siamese FeLV+ male. His name right now is Dusty (it might change, he doesn't really answer to anything) and he's 11 months old, seal point with icy blue eyes and a funny little trill instead of a meow. He's precious and is immediate purrs and headbutts. He's still a little unsure of his surroundings and tends to still slink places - but I did get to see him in a confident moment and he's really beautiful. He #39;s slightly overweight so a little more pear then cat right now but hopefully the activity of both cats will help keep off the extra weight. Athena thinks she likes him so far - she has her hissy moments but she is very interested in touching him - it's really quite amusing to see. He'll sit on the floor and she'll be on the couch above him, reaching down with her paw (no claws) to just touch his back or his head tentatively!! almost as if she doesn't know if he's real. He looks a good bit like Orion who we lost but I don't think that she could be connecting them visually. We'll see how it goes - I think he's missing his friends now (he lived with 4 other positives in a foster home) -- Beth Gouldin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 940.395.5393 God Bless!!!
Re: ournewbaby
Oh thank you Wendy for your kind words. What a difference a day can make though. This little dickens kept us up all night. She would take turns on each side of the bed, blatting. We'd say, come up Snowy, she would, purr like a freight train, cuddle up and sleep for 20 minutes, jump down and start the whole routine again. This morning she was racing around the house like a lunatic, playing hide and seek. She was kind of naughty yesterday, stalking Lennie, ate his food, layed in his litter box. Did nothing in his litter box, just lay in it. So we changed Lennies food. This morning she ate her own stuff and is using her own litterbox and I think she understands that Lennie wants nothing to do with her. She'll still walk by him and hiss just to bug him. He doesn't care. She reminds me a bit of BooBoo, very gentle and loving but she has a more playful streak in her. Of course poor Boo was in no condition to be playful. She certainly has helped ease the pain of losing him, probably because she is pretty high maintenance. We need to comb her at least once a day and clean her eyes twice a day because they do tear a lot. I swear she would be show material if those eyes weren't so much work. I'm not going to do anything extreme with them, just bathe them with warm water a couple times a day so they don't get crusty. Yep we love her and you know, if dear Boo hadn't been with us I probably would never have been made so aware of all the devastating illnesses and terrible conditions so many of these cats live with. A real eye opener. Lynne - Original Message - From: wendy To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 10:40 AM Subject: Re: ournewbaby Lynne, Bless you for taking in this kitty. It brought tears to my eyes to read your post, because I know how very lucky she is to have the new family she's just inherited. She probably doesn't know it yet, but it won't take her long. What a wonderful thing that Boo Boo is part of the reason that this beautiful cat now has a forever home. Please keep us posted on how she does. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 11:14:25 AM Subject: ournewbaby We met the foster mom of the cat we adopted at the vets this morning and now have our new little girl home. She was a rescued cat from this horrible shop owner in town. I was expecting to meet a kind of pathetic looking little kitty but to our surprise, she's a 9 pound gorgeous white persian with amber colored eyes. She's absolutely beautiful but for the moment prefers to be upstairs on her own. We're not forcing ourselves on her but the foster mom s ays she is very affectionate and loves attention. She inspected every inch of the house and will come down when she wants to. We are just so happy to finally have her here. She has never had a real home, just a pet store and the foster mom. Lynne -- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
Snowball
Here is Snowball. As you can see she requires high maintenance. We need to wash her face and eyes at least twice a day. Nothing wrong with them, just persian eyes. Lynne Your files are attached and ready to send with this message. attachment: mellynsoapsjpg 624.jpg
Re: Snowball
Me neither about posting pics Sherry but I couldn't find any place like there is in yahoo groups to post photos. I probably shouldn't have but I had to. Lynne - Original Message - From: Sherry DeHaan To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 6:22 PM Subject: Re: Snowball Lynne she is a cutie!! She is so lucky to have you!! I didnt know we could post pics.I could have posted pics of my beautiful babies lost,so everyone could have seen them. Sherry Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is Snowball. As you can see she requires high maintenance. We need to wash her face and eyes at least twice a day. Nothing wrong with them, just persian eyes. Lynne Your files are attached and ready to send with this message. -- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
