[Felvtalk] introduction
Hi everyone! I am new here so if I do something wrong, let me know. This kind of group is set up different than what I am used to. My male friend moved back to Wisconsin, from Tucson, AZ back in 2012. He brought with him ‘9’ of his cats. ALL had FeLV. Shortly after he moved here, 5 of his cats died.(stress and fleas) A friend of his had to have brought them over with him when he was visiting. We were friends back in the mid 70’s, and we ended up dating and now we have been living together for about a 1 1/2 yrs. I had a FeLV free cat and 2 dogs. It was a HARD decision but all I could do is vaccinate my cat for FeLV and pray he does not get it.(it is about 75% effective?) Anyway, what I was going to say, that cats having FeLV is not a death sentence, so do not count on them to be dying early. One cat of my boyfriend’s,(Clyde) was 13 yrs. old before he died. Right now we have Oliver(4 years 4 mos.), Diamond(9 yrs. 10 months),Dora Jean(10 yrs. 4 mos.),Sheila(4 yrs.) and Wilma(3 yrs. 6 mos.). I also have 2 dogs, Ryder(8 yrs. 6 mos.) and last but not least, Ozzie(12 yrs. 8 mos.). ALL cats are healthy and always have been, so far. Diamond does have a tumor in his throat(ear) area that just doing surgery would most likely kill him from stress.(it is not FeLV related) So as long as he eats and has no pain and no other issues, we will keep him alive. He is a very happy cat. My oldest dog,Ozzie, might have blastomycosis.(2nd dog of mine that has had it) The vet should be letting me know today/tomorrow. Since he is so old, I will not treat him and just put him to sleep.(UGH!) He also has an enlarged heart. So I may have to make that tough decision that we ALL hate. Sorry this is so long, just wanted to do an intro. Sandy___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Welcome to the group Sandy Grace From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sandy Noneofyourbusiness Sent: 22 October 2014 17:19 To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] introduction Hi everyone! I am new here so if I do something wrong, let me know. This kind of group is set up different than what I am used to. My male friend moved back to Wisconsin, from Tucson, AZ back in 2012. He brought with him ‘9’ of his cats. ALL had FeLV. Shortly after he moved here, 5 of his cats died.(stress and fleas) A friend of his had to have brought them over with him when he was visiting. We were friends back in the mid 70’s, and we ended up dating and now we have been living together for about a 1 1/2 yrs. I had a FeLV free cat and 2 dogs. It was a HARD decision but all I could do is vaccinate my cat for FeLV and pray he does not get it.(it is about 75% effective?) Anyway, what I was going to say, that cats having FeLV is not a death sentence, so do not count on them to be dying early. One cat of my boyfriend’s,(Clyde) was 13 yrs. old before he died. Right now we have Oliver(4 years 4 mos.), Diamond(9 yrs. 10 months),Dora Jean(10 yrs. 4 mos.),Sheila(4 yrs.) and Wilma(3 yrs. 6 mos.). I also have 2 dogs, Ryder(8 yrs. 6 mos.) and last but not least, Ozzie(12 yrs. 8 mos.). ALL cats are healthy and always have been, so far. Diamond does have a tumor in his throat(ear) area that just doing surgery would most likely kill him from stress.(it is not FeLV related) So as long as he eats and has no pain and no other issues, we will keep him alive. He is a very happy cat. My oldest dog,Ozzie, might have blastomycosis.(2nd dog of mine that has had it) The vet should be letting me know today/tomorrow. Since he is so old, I will not treat him and just put him to sleep.(UGH!) He also has an enlarged heart. So I may have to make that tough decision that we ALL hate. Sorry this is so long, just wanted to do an intro. Sandy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Sandy, It is so good to hear some FeLV success stories. Thank you. We trapped our Sundae last year. She was living in our yard and we brought her in at about 12 weeks. She has been on interferon for about a year now, and so far she’s good. I take her for a wellness check up every three months. I am hopeful that her immune system is built up enough for her to stay strong. We also have 3 cats who are not FeLV+ we vaccinated them after they were exposed to Sundae (long story) but we had them tested twice and they are healthy. My fur kids mean the world to my husband and I. It’s so nice to hear of other cats living reasonably long lives. Best, Mary From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of grace mifsud Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 2:15 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] introduction Welcome to the group Sandy Grace From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sandy Noneofyourbusiness Sent: 22 October 2014 17:19 To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] introduction Hi everyone! I am new here so if I do something wrong, let me know. This kind of group is set up different than what I am used to. My male friend moved back to Wisconsin, from Tucson, AZ back in 2012. He brought with him ‘9’ of his cats. ALL had FeLV. Shortly after he moved here, 5 of his cats died.(stress and fleas) A friend of his had to have brought them over with him when he was visiting. We were friends back in the mid 70’s, and we ended up dating and now we have been living together for about a 1 1/2 yrs. I had a FeLV free cat and 2 dogs. It was a HARD decision but all I could do is vaccinate my cat for FeLV and pray he does not get it.(it is about 75% effective?) Anyway, what I was going to say, that cats having FeLV is not a death sentence, so do not count on them to be dying early. One cat of my boyfriend’s,(Clyde) was 13 yrs. old before he died. Right now we have Oliver(4 years 4 mos.), Diamond(9 yrs. 10 months),Dora Jean(10 yrs. 4 mos.),Sheila(4 yrs.) and Wilma(3 yrs. 6 mos.). I also have 2 dogs, Ryder(8 yrs. 6 mos.) and last but not least, Ozzie(12 yrs. 8 mos.). ALL cats are healthy and always have been, so far. Diamond does have a tumor in his throat(ear) area that just doing surgery would most likely kill him from stress.(it is not FeLV related) So as long as he eats and has no pain and no other issues, we will keep him alive. He is a very happy cat. My oldest dog,Ozzie, might have blastomycosis.(2nd dog of mine that has had it) The vet should be letting me know today/tomorrow. Since he is so old, I will not treat him and just put him to sleep.(UGH!) He also has an enlarged heart. So I may have to make that tough decision that we ALL hate. Sorry this is so long, just wanted to do an intro. Sandy This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail mgr...@mofo.com, and delete the message. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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The studies I read indicate that only 15% of adult cats challenged with felv will succumb to the disease and become long term positive. On Oct 22, 2014 2:24 PM, Grant, Mary A. mgr...@mofo.com wrote: Sandy, It is so good to hear some FeLV success stories. Thank you. We trapped our Sundae last year. She was living in our yard and we brought her in at about 12 weeks. She has been on interferon for about a year now, and so far she’s good. I take her for a wellness check up every three months. I am hopeful that her immune system is built up enough for her to stay strong. We also have 3 cats who are not FeLV+ we vaccinated them after they were exposed to Sundae (long story) but we had them tested twice and they are healthy. My fur kids mean the world to my husband and I. It’s so nice to hear of other cats living reasonably long lives. Best, Mary *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *grace mifsud *Sent:* Wednesday, October 22, 2014 2:15 PM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] introduction Welcome to the group Sandy Grace *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Sandy Noneofyourbusiness *Sent:* 22 October 2014 17:19 *To:* Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* [Felvtalk] introduction Hi everyone! I am new here so if I do something wrong, let me know. This kind of group is set up different than what I am used to. My male friend moved back to Wisconsin, from Tucson, AZ back in 2012. He brought with him ‘9’ of his cats. ALL had FeLV. Shortly after he moved here, 5 of his cats died.(stress and fleas) A friend of his had to have brought them over with him when he was visiting. We were friends back in the mid 70’s, and we ended up dating and now we have been living together for about a 1 1/2 yrs. I had a FeLV free cat and 2 dogs. It was a HARD decision but all I could do is vaccinate my cat for FeLV and pray he does not get it.(it is about 75% effective?) Anyway, what I was going to say, that cats having FeLV is not a death sentence, so do not count on them to be dying early. One cat of my boyfriend’s,(Clyde) was 13 yrs. old before he died. Right now we have Oliver(4 years 4 mos.), Diamond(9 yrs. 10 months),Dora Jean(10 yrs. 4 mos.),Sheila(4 yrs.) and Wilma(3 yrs. 6 mos.). I also have 2 dogs, Ryder(8 yrs. 6 mos.) and last but not least, Ozzie(12 yrs. 8 mos.). ALL cats are healthy and always have been, so far. Diamond does have a tumor in his throat(ear) area that just doing surgery would most likely kill him from stress.(it is not FeLV related) So as long as he eats and has no pain and no other issues, we will keep him alive. He is a very happy cat. My oldest dog,Ozzie, might have blastomycosis.(2nd dog of mine that has had it) The vet should be letting me know today/tomorrow. Since he is so old, I will not treat him and just put him to sleep.(UGH!) He also has an enlarged heart. So I may have to make that tough decision that we ALL hate. Sorry this is so long, just wanted to do an intro. Sandy This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail mgr...@mofo.com, and delete the message. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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-Original Message- From: Maya D'Alessio <mde...@gmail.com>Sent: Oct 22, 2014 3:12 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] introduction "The studies I read indicate that only 15% of adult cats challenged withfelv will succumb to the disease and become long term positive".. Hi Maya, Would you please link to those studies, or tell me where I might find them? Thanks! Margo ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Biology of Feline Leukemia in the natural environment http://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/content/36/2_Part_2/582.full.pdf This article mentions 12% of a test group of cats were infected when left with FeLV+ cats. I can't find the original article I saw the 15% number in, but I know I read it in another article. On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 4:12 PM, Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net wrote: -Original Message- From: Maya D'Alessio Sent: Oct 22, 2014 3:12 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] introduction The studies I read indicate that only 15% of adult cats challenged with felv will succumb to the disease and become long term positive. . Hi Maya, Would you please link to those studies, or tell me where I might find them? Thanks! Margo ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Maya D'Alessio PhD student B1 377B, x32320 Graduate Studies Endowment Fund Coordinator Biology GSA Vice Chair GSA Director At-Large University of Waterloo ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Thanks for sharing that article Maya! From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maya D'Alessio Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 4:32 PM To: Margo; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] introduction Biology of Feline Leukemia in the natural environmenthttp://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/content/36/2_Part_2/582.full.pdf This article mentions 12% of a test group of cats were infected when left with FeLV+ cats. I can't find the original article I saw the 15% number in, but I know I read it in another article. On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 4:12 PM, Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.netmailto:toomanykitti...@earthlink.net wrote: -Original Message- From: Maya D'Alessio Sent: Oct 22, 2014 3:12 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] introduction The studies I read indicate that only 15% of adult cats challenged with felv will succumb to the disease and become long term positive. . Hi Maya, Would you please link to those studies, or tell me where I might find them? Thanks! Margo ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Maya D'Alessio PhD student B1 377B, x32320 Graduate Studies Endowment Fund Coordinator Biology GSA Vice Chair GSA Director At-Large University of Waterloo ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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sANDY, NEVER APOLIGISE. ANYTHING WE LEARN FROM ONE ANOTHER IS TO OUR GAIN. I HAVE HAD 2 POSITIVE FELV CATS. ONE DIED AFTER ABOUT 2 YEARS, BUT SHE HAD MANY OTHER ISSUES INCLUDING A RACCON BITING OFF HER TAIL. ANNIE IS STIL FIT AS A FIDDLE AND GIVING EVERYONE ELSE FITS. THE OTHERS ARE ALL VACCINATED AGAINST FELV AND SO FAR, ALL END UP DYING OF OLD AGE, USUALLY 18 OR SO. i THIN THAT GIVING THEM LOTS OF LOVE, GOOD FOOD AND MEDICAL TREATMENT WHEN NEEDED COUNTS FOR SO MUCH. KEEP ON ADOPTING, YOUR LIFE WILL BE FULL. DORLIS Sandy Noneofyourbusiness furkids2...@live.com wrote: Hi everyone! I am new here so if I do something wrong, let me know. This kind of group is set up different than what I am used to. My male friend moved back to Wisconsin, from Tucson, AZ back in 2012. He brought with him ‘9’ of his cats. ALL had FeLV. Shortly after he moved here, 5 of his cats died.(stress and fleas) A friend of his had to have brought them over with him when he was visiting. We were friends back in the mid 70’s, and we ended up dating and now we have been living together for about a 1 1/2 yrs. I had a FeLV free cat and 2 dogs. It was a HARD decision but all I could do is vaccinate my cat for FeLV and pray he does not get it.(it is about 75% effective?) Anyway, what I was going to say, that cats having FeLV is not a death sentence, so do not count on them to be dying early. One cat of my boyfriend’s,(Clyde) was 13 yrs. old before he died. Right now we have Oliver(4 years 4 mos.), Diamond(9 yrs. 10 months),Dora Jean(10 yrs. 4 mos.),Sheila(4 yrs.) and Wilma(3 yrs. 6 mos.). I also have 2 dogs, Ryder(8 yrs. 6 mos.) and last but not least, Ozzie(12 yrs. 8 mos.). ALL cats are healthy and always have been, so far. Diamond does have a tumor in his throat(ear) area that just doing surgery would most likely kill him from stress.(it is not FeLV related) So as long as he eats and has no pain and no other issues, we will keep him alive. He is a very happy cat. My oldest dog,Ozzie, might have blastomycosis.(2nd dog of mine that has had it) The vet should be letting me know today/tomorrow. Since he is so old, I will not treat him and just put him to sleep.(UGH!) He also has an enlarged heart. So I may have to make that tough decision that we ALL hate. Sorry this is so long, just wanted to do an intro. Sandy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] introduction and some questions
Hi, I finally was able to join your list and am so excited to be able to check in for advice and any questions I might have for my cat Leo. Some history- I trapped Leo last summer to TNR for a neighbor who offered to keep/feed him outdoors. He seemed feral, and was an elusive neighborhood stray for about 3 years prior. We think we know where he was born, as we rescued kittens that were probably younger than him at that time, and they look very similar, from a house where the owners moved and left the cats behind. :-( He has been chased out of yards and finally had a yard to call home with this person, but he tested positive for FeLV last summer and the neighbor would not commit to more in-depth care even though he said he would continue to feed him outdoors in his yard. So, I ended up keeping him as an indoor cat, and he is tame now after housing him in a taming cage that I learned about from the feral cat yahoo group. He is afraid of new things, but is very sweet and gentle. Right now I am keeping him separate from my other 3 indoor cats who are not vaccinated for FeLV, and one has some pretty bad aggression issues Back on July 19, 2012, he was tested with a snap test for FeLV/FIV/heartworm, he tested weak positive for FeLV, neg for the others. The test used was slightly expired by a few months (was a test kit from our rescue group, and I would have liked to have retested that day with a fresh in date kit, but I didn't find out results until the end of that day when he was wide awake and still assumed to be feral...) I tried to bring him in a few days after that to a different vet to get retested, but the vet clinic shook him out of the carrier and freaked him out chasing him around the room, and he bit the tech through a towel and had to be quarantined for 10 days for rabies, since his vacc. was less than 10 days old. I was so upset wondering if that was the time he could maybe throw the virus off, and he would be under so much stress as a feral cat in quarantine. :-( He had to go to a vet again, in Nov, 2012 because I thought he had a urinary blockage, but he ended up being OK. Anyway, this vet retested him because he was very cooperative, with a SNAP 2 test (no heartworm), and I asked them to use serum, assuming first vet used blood but I was not certain of that at the time. It was positive again. So, now it's a year later, he is seemingly healthy, teeth look good, good appetite, he is about 4 years old. I am wanting to do an IFA test. Do you think that he could still be negative after this long? At his check up yesterday, he received a Rabies Purevax vaccine, and I haven't done an FVRCP booster yet. He had one FVRCP last summer. The vet suggested adding Lysine powder, so I have that now, and she mentioned that they can add Interferon to ringers solution and that one bag would last a long time, haven't done that yet. Just would love to get some thoughts on retesting and Interferon. Also, he initially was said to have a grade 3 heart murmur while under anesthesia for his neuter, but it hasn't been heard since... So, with 2 positive SNAP tests (first one with slightly expired test kit)- is a neg. IFA still a possibility? Do you give FVRCP vacc. to your cats? Thoughts on using Lysine and Interferon? Thanks so much! Shelley ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hi Shelley - First of all, thanks for giving this guy a chance not immediately putting him down. 1) A negative IFA does NOT mean the cat is not FeLV positive. It simply means the virus is not replicating in his bone marrow. If a cat has a positive SNAP test, he is still positive. If you do get an IFA it is positive, it simply means he will not throw the virus off. 2) Those 3-way SNAP tests that test for heartworms are notoriously unreliable. Our shelter stopped using them after we had a slew of cats test postitive for FeLV. They were retested on the 2-way test twice, and came up negative. 3) It is too late now, but I would never give an FelV cat an FVRCP vaccine. I did that once to 2 sisters I had. One immediately became ill (she had been healthy up until then) died shortly afterward. Her sister died soon after. I have heard of other FeLV cats getting sick right after FVRCP vaccines. Not need to stress their immune systems out unless there is some seriously good reason why you need to vaccinate. 4) I don't think L-Lysine can hurt. It's pretty cheap you can get it in a powder form you can sprinkle over their food. 5) I have used Interferon in the past, but from what I understand it takes a long time to work. I stopped because I felt like I was stressing the cats out too much with the daily medicine routine. Plus you have to give it to them the right way. You can't just squirt it randomly in their mouths. 6) I think the best thing you can do is feed a high-quality food keep stress down. Good luck! Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Shelley Theye ve...@bellsouth.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, August 8, 2013 9:12 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] introduction and some questions Hi, I finally was able to join your list and am so excited to be able to check in for advice and any questions I might have for my cat Leo. Some history- I trapped Leo last summer to TNR for a neighbor who offered to keep/feed him outdoors. He seemed feral, and was an elusive neighborhood stray for about 3 years prior. We think we know where he was born, as we rescued kittens that were probably younger than him at that time, and they look very similar, from a house where the owners moved and left the cats behind. :-( He has been chased out of yards and finally had a yard to call home with this person, but he tested positive for FeLV last summer and the neighbor would not commit to more in-depth care even though he said he would continue to feed him outdoors in his yard. So, I ended up keeping him as an indoor cat, and he is tame now after housing him in a taming cage that I learned about from the feral cat yahoo group. He is afraid of new things, but is very sweet and gentle. Right now I am keeping him separate from my other 3 indoor cats who are not vaccinated for FeLV, and one has some pretty bad aggression issues Back on July 19, 2012, he was tested with a snap test for FeLV/FIV/heartworm, he tested weak positive for FeLV, neg for the others. The test used was slightly expired by a few months (was a test kit from our rescue group, and I would have liked to have retested that day with a fresh in date kit, but I didn't find out results until the end of that day when he was wide awake and still assumed to be feral...) I tried to bring him in a few days after that to a different vet to get retested, but the vet clinic shook him out of the carrier and freaked him out chasing him around the room, and he bit the tech through a towel and had to be quarantined for 10 days for rabies, since his vacc. was less than 10 days old. I was so upset wondering if that was the time he could maybe throw the virus off, and he would be under so much stress as a feral cat in quarantine. :-( He had to go to a vet again, in Nov, 2012 because I thought he had a urinary blockage, but he ended up being OK. Anyway, this vet retested him because he was very cooperative, with a SNAP 2 test (no heartworm), and I asked them to use serum, assuming first vet used blood but I was not certain of that at the time. It was positive again. So, now it's a year later, he is seemingly healthy, teeth look good, good appetite, he is about 4 years old. I am wanting to do an IFA test. Do you think that he could still be negative after this long? At his check up yesterday, he received a Rabies Purevax vaccine, and I haven't done an FVRCP booster yet. He had one FVRCP last summer. The vet suggested adding Lysine powder, so I have that now, and she mentioned that they can add Interferon to ringers solution and that one bag would last a long time, haven't done that yet. Just would love to get some thoughts on retesting and Interferon. Also, he initially was said to have a grade 3 heart murmur while under anesthesia for his neuter, but it hasn't been heard since... So, with 2 positive SNAP tests
Re: [Felvtalk] introduction and some questions
Hi Beth, Thank you so much for the fast reply! I should give credit to the vet that neutered him too. She said that she would never put a cat down just because he/she tests positive. I guess that is why she didn't call me right after she tested him that morning, and waited until I went in to pick him up at the end of the day to let me know. That is not the same mindset as other vets around here. So, just to follow up, if IFA turned out to be negative, does that mean he could still possibly throw off the virus? Or does that only happen very early on? I was reading a flow chart for testing, and it sounds like testing can go on for months and months if the SNAP and IFA don't match with either both pos. or both neg. results? Thank you so much for letting me know about the FVRCP vaccine. He was given that vaccine at his initial visit last year. She actually wanted to give him a 4 week booster back then, but I didn't go back and do it at that time, because he was still 'feral' and I didn't want to add any stress, and wasn't really sure if more than one was needed for an adult. Now I will NOT get him another FVRCP at all. I only asked for Purevax Rabies yesterday, not wanting to do 2 vaccines in one office visit either way. I will try to bring him in again for the IFA test, since this clinic is only a few miles away, and they also blend holistic and traditional, which is why I am also trying them for Leo. Thanks so much! By the way, if Leo was related to the other kittens from the abandoned house, they all were negative when tested. That owner took the 2 mom cats with him eventually, so I don't know if they both were neg. But I am guessing that he acquired this as an adult or he wouldn't have lived this long? Shelley Shelley Theye ve...@bellsouth.net On Aug 8, 2013, at 9:45 AM, Beth wrote: Hi Shelley - First of all, thanks for giving this guy a chance not immediately putting him down. 1) A negative IFA does NOT mean the cat is not FeLV positive. It simply means the virus is not replicating in his bone marrow. If a cat has a positive SNAP test, he is still positive. If you do get an IFA it is positive, it simply means he will not throw the virus off. 2) Those 3-way SNAP tests that test for heartworms are notoriously unreliable. Our shelter stopped using them after we had a slew of cats test postitive for FeLV. They were retested on the 2-way test twice, and came up negative. 3) It is too late now, but I would never give an FelV cat an FVRCP vaccine. I did that once to 2 sisters I had. One immediately became ill (she had been healthy up until then) died shortly afterward. Her sister died soon after. I have heard of other FeLV cats getting sick right after FVRCP vaccines. Not need to stress their immune systems out unless there is some seriously good reason why you need to vaccinate. 4) I don't think L-Lysine can hurt. It's pretty cheap you can get it in a powder form you can sprinkle over their food. 5) I have used Interferon in the past, but from what I understand it takes a long time to work. I stopped because I felt like I was stressing the cats out too much with the daily medicine routine. Plus you have to give it to them the right way. You can't just squirt it randomly in their mouths. 6) I think the best thing you can do is feed a high-quality food keep stress down. Good luck! Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Shelley Theye ve...@bellsouth.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, August 8, 2013 9:12 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] introduction and some questions Hi, I finally was able to join your list and am so excited to be able to check in for advice and any questions I might have for my cat Leo. Some history- I trapped Leo last summer to TNR for a neighbor who offered to keep/feed him outdoors. He seemed feral, and was an elusive neighborhood stray for about 3 years prior. We think we know where he was born, as we rescued kittens that were probably younger than him at that time, and they look very similar, from a house where the owners moved and left the cats behind. :-( He has been chased out of yards and finally had a yard to call home with this person, but he tested positive for FeLV last summer and the neighbor would not commit to more in-depth care even though he said he would continue to feed him outdoors in his yard. So, I ended up keeping him as an indoor cat, and he is tame now after housing him in a taming cage that I learned about from the feral cat yahoo group. He is afraid of new things, but is very sweet and gentle. Right now I am keeping him separate from my other 3 indoor cats who are not vaccinated for FeLV, and one has some pretty bad aggression issues Back on July 19, 2012, he was tested with a snap test for FeLV/FIV/heartworm, he tested weak positive for FeLV, neg
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Hi. I have had experience with three FeLv+ cats turning to negative. You have to keep them for about 3 months, then retest with the SNAP non heartworm test. I had no idea that the three way test can cause a false positive. Anyway, have him retested with a fresh SNAP test and if it's negative, it's negative. I have three mixed in with my other cats and no problems so far. One has been there for six years and is getting old but that's the only problem he has experienced in his entire life after I took him in about 5 years ago. As for Interferon or any other major medication, if Leo is not having any symptoms, you don't have to stress him out with a whole lot of medication. The Lysine is a good preventive for several problems in cats so do give him that. There is a formula made just for cats. I tried dumping a 500mg capsule divided into their 4 water bowls and the result was a boycott of the water. I tasted some of the lysine powder and it was awful, bitter. So much for an easy solution. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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The Lysine powder for cats can actually come in flavors. The gel is not bad tasting at all, either. In fact I wouldn't mind taking it. I sprinkle the powder on the dry food they have no problem with it. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, August 8, 2013 10:43 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] introduction and some questions Hi. I have had experience with three FeLv+ cats turning to negative. You have to keep them for about 3 months, then retest with the SNAP non heartworm test. I had no idea that the three way test can cause a false positive. Anyway, have him retested with a fresh SNAP test and if it's negative, it's negative. I have three mixed in with my other cats and no problems so far. One has been there for six years and is getting old but that's the only problem he has experienced in his entire life after I took him in about 5 years ago. As for Interferon or any other major medication, if Leo is not having any symptoms, you don't have to stress him out with a whole lot of medication. The Lysine is a good preventive for several problems in cats so do give him that. There is a formula made just for cats. I tried dumping a 500mg capsule divided into their 4 water bowls and the result was a boycott of the water. I tasted some of the lysine powder and it was awful, bitter. So much for an easy solution. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Kudos to your vet. I was lucky to have a great vet when I found my 1st FeLV cat. She never even mentioned euthanizing. She just laid out a plan for integrating them into the household. If the IFA is negative he could still throw off the virus. In my experience most cats born with FeLV do not live much more than a year. I do have one right now that I got as a 3 month old kitten. I don't know for sure if she was born with it. She lived outside an empty house. No idea what happened to mom. But she is about 3 years old doing great. Fingers crossed :) Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Shelley Theye ve...@bellsouth.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, August 8, 2013 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] introduction and some questions Hi Beth, Thank you so much for the fast reply! I should give credit to the vet that neutered him too. She said that she would never put a cat down just because he/she tests positive. I guess that is why she didn't call me right after she tested him that morning, and waited until I went in to pick him up at the end of the day to let me know. That is not the same mindset as other vets around here. So, just to follow up, if IFA turned out to be negative, does that mean he could still possibly throw off the virus? Or does that only happen very early on? I was reading a flow chart for testing, and it sounds like testing can go on for months and months if the SNAP and IFA don't match with either both pos. or both neg. results? Thank you so much for letting me know about the FVRCP vaccine. He was given that vaccine at his initial visit last year. She actually wanted to give him a 4 week booster back then, but I didn't go back and do it at that time, because he was still 'feral' and I didn't want to add any stress, and wasn't really sure if more than one was needed for an adult. Now I will NOT get him another FVRCP at all. I only asked for Purevax Rabies yesterday, not wanting to do 2 vaccines in one office visit either way. I will try to bring him in again for the IFA test, since this clinic is only a few miles away, and they also blend holistic and traditional, which is why I am also trying them for Leo. Thanks so much! By the way, if Leo was related to the other kittens from the abandoned house, they all were negative when tested. That owner took the 2 mom cats with him eventually, so I don't know if they both were neg. But I am guessing that he acquired this as an adult or he wouldn't have lived this long? Shelley Shelley Theye ve...@bellsouth.net___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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For some reason I did not receive the latest messages, so I am just sending a new email since I saw that Lee and Beth responded in the archives... Thanks Lee and Beth. I don't think my L- Lysine is the cat only version, but I sprinkled some on Leo's canned food and he ate it right up. Afterwards, he licked and licked the little peel off part of the lid that came on the new container, so he must like the flavor OK! Thanks for sharing about your kitties, and I hope they continue to thrive. :-) Glad to hear the there might be a chance Leo can still throw this virus. Shelley ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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If your other cats are vaccinated for FELV, why not let him in with them? Annie is now 8 and doing fine. Her only problem is she was an only cat in her previous home and does not like to share with other cats. (Nitnoy died after 1-1/2 years but she had been feral and lost her tail to a raccoon which really left her stressed out) But Annie only meows at them and swats them so no problem there. She and the others all think they have to sit on my lap every time I sit down and even though I have an ample lap, it is not big enough for 6 cats. That creates a problem. Betheny Laubenthal bailleyspetc...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. My name is Beth. I run a feral cat rescue. That's how I ended up with Mozart, a 10 month old kitten. April 18, I took him to a spay clinic to get neutered, his rabies vaccination and for a Felv/FIV test. He tested positive for Felv. It was recommended that he immediately be euthanized. I refused. I contacted my vet. She agreed with my decision to allow him to live out his life. She retested him May 17. Again, he tested positive. This surprised me because he is a healthy cat. No symptoms at all. None of his brothers tested positive. His mom took off with his two sisters when he was 5 weeks old. Mom was feral. Have not found her or the missing kittens. My vet is awesome (which is great because my rescue takes in cats with medical issues and behavioral issues as well as ferals that cannot stay where they are). That's a lot for me to say since I have a general distrust of vets for various reasons. Anyways, she is looking for another felv cat for me to introduce to Mozart as a playmate. Mozart is locked in my bedroom. Other cats in my home were tested. They were negative. We are vaccinating with a 4 way vaccine with leukemia. I am in the process of ordering more vaccination-with and without leukemia. I have him on a raw diet. Been raw feeding for over 3 years-not the least bit concerned about bacteria. I feel as if it is safe and beneficial to feed Mozart this diet. I am looking into this treatment for him: http://tcyte.com/cat-owner-information/ Anyone have any luck with it? Anyone hear of it? Does anyone have any advice they can give to me? Also, what about vaccines? I am concerned about the increase chance of vaccine related sarcomas. Thank you! --Beth Laubenthal ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I have a question re vaccinations I have 2 15 year olds, one never goes out, she is terrified of outside and the other goes down on the ground to potty and then back to the deck for a snooze in the sun. Another 8 year old goes out very little and another tht stays on the deck. Do they need vaccinations? FELV they need as I have 1 positive cat, but do they need the others as their chances of contracting anything from strays, etc are very slim Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net wrote: ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I only maintained FVRCP vaccines when I fosterd kittens non- FeLV cats for the rescue I work with. They typically came from animal control facilites, so there was much more risk. Unless your cats are exposed to other cats, I really don't see a reason for the FVRCP vaccine. And I definitely would never vaccinate an FeLV+ cat for FVRCP. I did that once the cat got sick the next day died soon after. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 9:18 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Introduction It depends on your State. Many States require the rabies vax every 3 years. Some feel older cats do not need the FVRCP vax - that previous vaccines should still be in effect. The FVRCP is recommended by the cat vaccine guidelines every 3 yrs. Sharyl From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 5:17 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Introduction I have a question re vaccinations I have 2 15 year olds, one never goes out, she is terrified of outside and the other goes down on the ground to potty and then back to the deck for a snooze in the sun. Another 8 year old goes out very little and another tht stays on the deck. Do they need vaccinations? FELV they need as I have 1 positive cat, but do they need the others as their chances of contracting anything from strays, etc are very slim Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net wrote: ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I agree. Once your other cats are fully vaccinated, there is no reason to separate. I have mixed my healthy (even FIV+) cats with my FeLV cats for years with no problems. You might want to search the archives on mixing for more info on this, but many of us mix our positives negative, fully vaccinate cats. By fully vaccinated I mean initial vaccine, booster, wait at least 2 weeks before mixing. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 4:52 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Introduction If your other cats are vaccinated for FELV, why not let him in with them? Annie is now 8 and doing fine. Her only problem is she was an only cat in her previous home and does not like to share with other cats. (Nitnoy died after 1-1/2 years but she had been feral and lost her tail to a raccoon which really left her stressed out) But Annie only meows at them and swats them so no problem there. She and the others all think they have to sit on my lap every time I sit down and even though I have an ample lap, it is not big enough for 6 cats. That creates a problem. Betheny Laubenthal bailleyspetc...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. My name is Beth. I run a feral cat rescue. That's how I ended up with Mozart, a 10 month old kitten. April 18, I took him to a spay clinic to get neutered, his rabies vaccination and for a Felv/FIV test. He tested positive for Felv. It was recommended that he immediately be euthanized. I refused. I contacted my vet. She agreed with my decision to allow him to live out his life. She retested him May 17. Again, he tested positive. This surprised me because he is a healthy cat. No symptoms at all. None of his brothers tested positive. His mom took off with his two sisters when he was 5 weeks old. Mom was feral. Have not found her or the missing kittens. My vet is awesome (which is great because my rescue takes in cats with medical issues and behavioral issues as well as ferals that cannot stay where they are). That's a lot for me to say since I have a general distrust of vets for various reasons. Anyways, she is looking for another felv cat for me to introduce to Mozart as a playmate. Mozart is locked in my bedroom. Other cats in my home were tested. They were negative. We are vaccinating with a 4 way vaccine with leukemia. I am in the process of ordering more vaccination-with and without leukemia. I have him on a raw diet. Been raw feeding for over 3 years-not the least bit concerned about bacteria. I feel as if it is safe and beneficial to feed Mozart this diet. I am looking into this treatment for him: http://tcyte.com/cat-owner-information/ Anyone have any luck with it? Anyone hear of it? Does anyone have any advice they can give to me? Also, what about vaccines? I am concerned about the increase chance of vaccine related sarcomas. Thank you! --Beth Laubenthal ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hi. My name is Beth. I run a feral cat rescue. That's how I ended up with Mozart, a 10 month old kitten. April 18, I took him to a spay clinic to get neutered, his rabies vaccination and for a Felv/FIV test. He tested positive for Felv. It was recommended that he immediately be euthanized. I refused. I contacted my vet. She agreed with my decision to allow him to live out his life. She retested him May 17. Again, he tested positive. This surprised me because he is a healthy cat. No symptoms at all. None of his brothers tested positive. His mom took off with his two sisters when he was 5 weeks old. Mom was feral. Have not found her or the missing kittens. My vet is awesome (which is great because my rescue takes in cats with medical issues and behavioral issues as well as ferals that cannot stay where they are). That's a lot for me to say since I have a general distrust of vets for various reasons. Anyways, she is looking for another felv cat for me to introduce to Mozart as a playmate. Mozart is locked in my bedroom. Other cats in my home were tested. They were negative. We are vaccinating with a 4 way vaccine with leukemia. I am in the process of ordering more vaccination-with and without leukemia. I have him on a raw diet. Been raw feeding for over 3 years-not the least bit concerned about bacteria. I feel as if it is safe and beneficial to feed Mozart this diet. I am looking into this treatment for him: http://tcyte.com/cat-owner-information/ Anyone have any luck with it? Anyone hear of it? Does anyone have any advice they can give to me? Also, what about vaccines? I am concerned about the increase chance of vaccine related sarcomas. Thank you! --Beth Laubenthal ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hi Beth, Welcome, but sorry you have to be here.Just have time for a quick note, but I'll be back later when I have a bit more time. As for the vaccines, I have chosen to go with the Merial recombinant FeLV vaccine, and i'll link to some articles which will help explain why. If you go back to fanciers and search for rFeLV, you should get Stephanie's amazing discussions...Oh! I saved it G http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/fanciershealth/message/141570 I'm in the same situation, but I just get more confused as I learn more. Warning, if you try to but the vaccine yourself, it's VERY expensive. Through a Vet it seems to be much less. HTH, Margo -Original Message- From: Betheny Laubenthal <bailleyspetc...@gmail.com>Sent: May 20, 2013 2:37 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Introduction Hi. My name is Beth. I run a feral cat rescue. That's how I ended up with Mozart, a 10 month old kitten. April 18, I took him to a spay clinic to get neutered, his rabies vaccination and for a Felv/FIV test. He tested positive for Felv. It was recommended that he immediately be euthanized. I refused. I contacted my vet. She agreed with my decision to allow him to live out his life. She retested him May 17. Again, he tested positive. This surprised me because he is a healthy cat. No symptoms at all. None of his brothers tested positive. His mom took off with his two sisters when he was 5 weeks old. Mom was feral. Have not found her or the missing kittens. My vet is awesome (which is great because my rescue takes in cats with medical issues and behavioral issues as well as ferals that cannot stay where they are). That's a lot for me to say since I have a general distrust of vets for various reasons. Anyways, she is looking for another felv cat for me to introduce to Mozart as a playmate. Mozart is locked in my bedroom. Other cats in my home were tested. They were negative. We are vaccinating with a 4 way vaccine with leukemia. I am in the process of ordering more vaccination-with and without leukemia. I have him on a raw diet. Been raw feeding for over 3 years-not the least bit concerned about bacteria. I feel as if it is safe and beneficial to feed Mozart this diet. I am looking into this treatment for him: http://tcyte.com/cat-owner-information/ Anyone have any luck with it? Anyone hear of it? Does anyone have any advice they can give to me? Also, what about vaccines? I am concerned about the increase chance of vaccine related sarcomas. Thank you! --Beth Laubenthal ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hi Beth, I, too, looked into LTCI from Tcyte when I found out my ten month old kitten, Polli, was FeLV+. We have a vet and a very experienced vet tech, both of which work in cat only clinics, in the family. When I asked for their opinions, neither one of them had heard of LTCI but said it a very specialized and new medication and wanted me to give feedback if I decided to use it on Polli. I also talked to several (at least ten) vets in the Los Angeles area as well as a cat rescue operator and a scientist from Tycte laboratories. They all gave the medication rave reviews. However, each person told me that it works better in cats who contract the disease (over the age of 2) than kittens who are either born with it or contract it at an early age. The operator of the cat rescue said that each of the FeLV+ kittens they treated succumbed to complications from the disease before the age of one (the average mortality rate for positive kittens). With adult cats, they even had one seroconvert after treating it with LTCI! So, from my research, it works well in cats but the results aren't promising in kittens. Keep in mind, though, that the medication reportedly has no side effects and I haven't read about any either. Because of that, treating Mozart with LTCI may be an option you choose to explore. If you want to survey vets like I did, Tcyte has a link on their website that shows the names and locations of vets who have used it in the area you live. If you do decided to use it, it can cost anywhere from $40 to $120 a shot. The typical protocol is a shot each day for a week then one shot a week for four weeks followed by a shot every four to six weeks. The vets also have to do blood work regularly. For these reasons, I chose not to treat Polli. I didn't want to stress her out for her remaining time on earth especially since there isn't much success treating kittens with LTCI. Sorry, I know this may not be the sort of information you're looking for but I just wanted to share my research with you. If you do decided to use LTCI, please document your experiences. I know there are many cat owners and vets who are curious about this medication. Best, -Amanda On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.netwrote: Hi Beth, Welcome, but sorry you have to be here. Just have time for a quick note, but I'll be back later when I have a bit more time. As for the vaccines, I have chosen to go with the Merial recombinant FeLV vaccine, and i'll link to some articles which will help explain why. If you go back to fanciers and search for rFeLV, you should get Stephanie's amazing discussions...Oh! I saved it G http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/fanciershealth/message/141570 I'm in the same situation, but I just get more confused as I learn more. Warning, if you try to but the vaccine yourself, it's VERY expensive. Through a Vet it seems to be much less. HTH, Margo -Original Message- From: Betheny Laubenthal ** Sent: May 20, 2013 2:37 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Introduction Hi. My name is Beth. I run a feral cat rescue. That's how I ended up with Mozart, a 10 month old kitten. April 18, I took him to a spay clinic to get neutered, his rabies vaccination and for a Felv/FIV test. He tested positive for Felv. It was recommended that he immediately be euthanized. I refused. I contacted my vet. She agreed with my decision to allow him to live out his life. She retested him May 17. Again, he tested positive. This surprised me because he is a healthy cat. No symptoms at all. None of his brothers tested positive. His mom took off with his two sisters when he was 5 weeks old. Mom was feral. Have not found her or the missing kittens. My vet is awesome (which is great because my rescue takes in cats with medical issues and behavioral issues as well as ferals that cannot stay where they are). That's a lot for me to say since I have a general distrust of vets for various reasons. Anyways, she is looking for another felv cat for me to introduce to Mozart as a playmate. Mozart is locked in my bedroom. Other cats in my home were tested. They were negative. We are vaccinating with a 4 way vaccine with leukemia. I am in the process of ordering more vaccination-with and without leukemia. I have him on a raw diet. Been raw feeding for over 3 years-not the least bit concerned about bacteria. I feel as if it is safe and beneficial to feed Mozart this diet. I am looking into this treatment for him: http://tcyte.com/cat-owner-information/ Anyone have any luck with it? Anyone hear of it? Does anyone have any advice they can give to me? Also, what about vaccines? I am concerned about the increase chance of vaccine related sarcomas. Thank you! --Beth Laubenthal ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http
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Thank you. I love that group! Stephanie is wonderful! Thank you for the link. As for vaccinating, I order two different vaccines: with and without-4 ways. I found a cheaper source. From a vet catalog. Local pet store-the owner is a vet tech and she offers vaccinations at her store. Running a cat rescue, I cannot afford to have the vet vaccinate the 30 cats we have in our care. We're foster based. With Mozart, I just want the best for him. I still have a hard time accepting that he has feline leukemia. At least now I know it is not a death sentence. My vet is research T-Cyte therapy for me. She never heard of it. I hope it can be of use for Mozart. --Beth On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 3:21 PM, Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.netwrote: Hi Beth, Welcome, but sorry you have to be here. Just have time for a quick note, but I'll be back later when I have a bit more time. As for the vaccines, I have chosen to go with the Merial recombinant FeLV vaccine, and i'll link to some articles which will help explain why. If you go back to fanciers and search for rFeLV, you should get Stephanie's amazing discussions...Oh! I saved it G http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/fanciershealth/message/141570 I'm in the same situation, but I just get more confused as I learn more. Warning, if you try to but the vaccine yourself, it's VERY expensive. Through a Vet it seems to be much less. HTH, Margo ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Amanda (and everyone else), Have you heard of RetroMAD1? A friend of mine suggested it. http://blog.lepak.com/2011/02/au-tests-retromad1-new-wonder-drug.html Maybe I'm grasping at straws, but I cannot give up without a good fight. There has got to be something that works. --Beth ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Yes! I actually have heard of RetroMAD1. I believe it's currently only available in Malaysia and is still in the trial stages. It sounds very promising but would be rather difficult to get ahold of in the States... if you're in the States, of course. Like LTCI, there isn't a lot of scientifically backed research on it. Yet. They are both newer medications and funding for research and trials is very limited. Unfortunately, if there isn't a lot of money to be made from it, the research gets dismal funding. On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Betheny Laubenthal bailleyspetc...@gmail.com wrote: Amanda (and everyone else), Have you heard of RetroMAD1? A friend of mine suggested it. http://blog.lepak.com/2011/02/au-tests-retromad1-new-wonder-drug.html Maybe I'm grasping at straws, but I cannot give up without a good fight. There has got to be something that works. --Beth ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- There is much pleasure to be gained from useless knowledge Bertrand Russell ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hi Beth, I ran a rescue for 30+ years, so I understand about the expense of "Vet" vaccinating. I still buy mine (usually thru KVVet) for the sanctuary cats, but ran into expense problems with the Merial recombinant FeLV vaccine. My Vet used it previously, but the owner changed to a standard killed FeL. I wanted the rFeLV to avoid the problem of possible feline injection site sarcoma, as the one I was most concerned about is three legged. In his case he can't afford a problem in another leg. I found it two places, where they run around $500 for a flat of twenty-five, so $20 per dose. My Vet went to another clinic, and got them for me for $12 each. That's why I suggested going thru your Vet, if s/he has a Merial account, it should be cheaper still. Now that I just take occasional kittens (8 right now) and have no local 501c3 affiliation, I have my Vet o the vaccinating, so it can be documented. Cost is high, but if I want them to get good homes, it's needed. I have also looked into the T-cyte, but Gribble also is young, so I went elsewhere. I'm now re-thinking that, but for now, we're using Interferon. All the best Margo -Original Message- From: Betheny Laubenthal <bailleyspetc...@gmail.com>Sent: May 20, 2013 4:08 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Introduction Thank you. I love that group! Stephanie is wonderful! Thank you for the link. As for vaccinating, I order two different vaccines: with and without-4 ways. I found a cheaper source. From a vet catalog. Local pet store-the owner is a vet tech and she offers vaccinations at her store. Running a cat rescue, I cannot afford to have the vet vaccinate the 30 cats we have in our care. We're foster based. With Mozart, I just want the best for him. I still have a hard time accepting that he has feline leukemia. At least now I know it is not a death sentence. My vet is research T-Cyte therapy for me. She never heard of it. I hope it can be of use for Mozart. --Beth On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 3:21 PM, Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net wrote: Hi Beth, Welcome, but sorry you have to be here.Just have time for a quick note, but I'll be back later when I have a bit more time. As for the vaccines, I have chosen to go with the Merial recombinant FeLV vaccine, and i'll link to some articles which will help explain why. If you go back to fanciers and search for rFeLV, you should get Stephanie's amazing discussions...Oh! I saved it G http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/fanciershealth/message/141570 I'm in the same situation, but I just get more confused as I learn more. Warning, if you try to but the vaccine yourself, it's VERY expensive. Through a Vet it seems to be much less. HTH, Margo ___Felvtalk mailing listFelvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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And this is also our reward. They enrich our lives every minute of their lives. Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: Dear Laura, Thank you for giving Dani a chance for life. I also have a lot of cats (15 at home) plus a FelV sanctuary in my building in town. Sometimes these FelV kittens can live long lives, and others will die. I have found there is really nothing you can do to cure the cat of FelV, but some will throw off the virus when they have lots of love, a good diet, and no stress. I do not believe in heroic measures or invasive proceedures. In July I took in a litter of 4 FelV kittens, and they were happy playful babies until November when one of my calico girls named Molly died of anemia. Her calico sister Maggie died of the same thing one month later. Now their brother, a precious silver tabby male, Willie, my very favorite, is becoming anemic and soon there will only be one left from this litter. It is heart breaking each time I lose one, but we gave them a wonderful home and lots of love during their short lives and this is my consolation. Lorrie Hi everyone, I am new to this group--and new to FeLV. I just took in an FeLV+ kitty from the shelter where I am a volunteer. Her name is Dani ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Dear Laura, Thank you for giving Dani a chance for life. I also have a lot of cats (15 at home) plus a FelV sanctuary in my building in town. Sometimes these FelV kittens can live long lives, and others will die. I have found there is really nothing you can do to cure the cat of FelV, but some will throw off the virus when they have lots of love, a good diet, and no stress. I do not believe in heroic measures or invasive proceedures. In July I took in a litter of 4 FelV kittens, and they were happy playful babies until November when one of my calico girls named Molly died of anemia. Her calico sister Maggie died of the same thing one month later. Now their brother, a precious silver tabby male, Willie, my very favorite, is becoming anemic and soon there will only be one left from this litter. It is heart breaking each time I lose one, but we gave them a wonderful home and lots of love during their short lives and this is my consolation. Lorrie Hi everyone, I am new to this group--and new to FeLV. I just took in an FeLV+ kitty from the shelter where I am a volunteer. Her name is Dani ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Laura. I'm afraid with a positive IFA test there isn't a chance Dani will shed the virus. Here is the link to a chart that explains the meaning of the test results http://www.felineleukemia.org/felvhlth.html I have rescued several FeLV kittens. They lived from 1-4 yrs. I didn't find supplements helpful but others may have had better luck. Many FeLV kitties on this list have lived for several years. You are already on top of what will be best for Dani - good food, lots of love and a stress free environment. Try to stay on top of any health issues. Since her immune system is compromised she may be more susceptible to URIs, etc. By the way I had all my FeLV babies spayed or neutered. I felt it was more stressful for them if left unfixed. It broke my heart when I lost each of them but I would change what I did. Each was special and brought joy to my heart. My other rescues were adults. I had them all vaccinated for FeLV and let my positives have the run of the house. With 17 other cats that may be hard for you to do. Bless you for caring and giving Dani a home Sharyl From: laurak...@aol.com laurak...@aol.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2013 5:57 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Introduction Hieveryone, I am new to this group--and new to FeLV. I just took in an FeLV+ kitty from the shelter where I am a volunteer.Her name is Dani and she is beautiful. Long story short, she and her three siblings were found outside in a box when they were about a week old. They came to the shelter and tested positive for FeLV (ELISA). They were retested and again it was positive. At 9 weeks,they had an IFA test, all positive. During this time, they were bottle fed until about 8 weeks, shuttled to and from the shelter by a staff member. They were also treated for URIswith azithromycin. The shelter cultures all incoming cats for ringworm and unfortunately theirs came back positive, so they were dipped in lyme a couple of times a week for a while and put on Itraconazole. Dani took longer to shake it off and so was completely alone for some time. During their time at the shelter they were vaccinated with 2 rounds of FVRCP, a rabies vaccine and spayed/neutered. Sadly, Dani's littermates all came down with different issues(I don't know all the details, but I know the vet suspected FIP) and were euthanized. Little Dani was left alone, in a bathroom with no windows, and not many visitors. The second I found out about her, I set up thesun room off my bedroom (it was unheated but fixed that fast) and took her home. Anyway, I wanted to give the whole background so you know just how much she has been through in her short life. While even here it is not optimal--she is isolated--it is so much better than being stuck in the stuffy bathroom. Here, she bird watches, has a ton of toys, a much better diet and a ton of cuddles (though not as much as I wish. I have 17 other cats.) I have two big questions: is it possible for her to become negative with a positive IFA result at 9 weeks? And, second: how do I best care for her? I have her on a high quality canned only diet (wellness and weruva--no fish) and minimize stress as much as possible. Are there supplements I should be giving? Are NuCat vitamins recommended? Are my food choices OK for her? I will never vaccinate or even take her to a vet (I'd have one come to me if necessary to minimize stress.) I feel terrible she is alone alot of the timeand I have thought about bringing in another young FeLV + kitty for her, but I am worried about causing stress, having it backfire. Ihave all the patience in the world when it comes to having cats work out issues, but I'm also very careful when bringing in a new cat, quarantining for a couple of weeks, letting her explore while I put othersin other rooms, etc. But I wouldn't have that ability to do so with a companion for Dani as I literally don't have any rooms left. Sorry for such a long post! I really want to do right by her. I love her to pieces. Thank you! Laura and Dani girl ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hi Laura, I don’t have a lot of advice for you, as my experience with FeLV is somewhat limited. I joined the list when one of the ferals I was feeding tested positive when I had him neutered. He lived in our spare room until I found him a forever home 10 months later. During this time, he shared the room with another feral from the colony. I first tried keeping him by himself, but he was too stressed. Our vet didn’t think the other cat had a high risk of contracting the disease since he was an adult and they had already lived together, shared food bowls, etc. I had the other cat tested months after the FeLV cat was adopted and he was fine. I think it’s an excellent idea to try integrating another cat with your wee kitten. Sadly, most FeLV cats are euthanized and never given the chance you’re giving Dani. So an addition would save another life. Since she’s so young, I think she’d most likely welcome the company. (But this is just my opinion.) I just wanted to say thank you for looking past Dani’s disease and loving her for who she is. I’m praying she fights off the virus and lives a long and healthy life. Cindy From: laurak...@aol.com Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 5:57 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Introduction Hi everyone, I am new to this group--and new to FeLV. I just took in an FeLV+ kitty from the shelter where I am a volunteer. Her name is Dani and she is beautiful. Long story short, she and her three siblings were found outside in a box when they were about a week old. They came to the shelter and tested positive for FeLV (ELISA). They were retested and again it was positive. At 9 weeks, they had an IFA test, all positive. During this time, they were bottle fed until about 8 weeks, shuttled to and from the shelter by a staff member. They were also treated for URIs with azithromycin. The shelter cultures all incoming cats for ringworm and unfortunately theirs came back positive, so they were dipped in lyme a couple of times a week for a while and put on Itraconazole. Dani took longer to shake it off and so was completely alone for some time. During their time at the shelter they were vaccinated with 2 rounds of FVRCP, a rabies vaccine and spayed/neutered. Sadly, Dani's littermates all came down with different issues (I don't know all the details, but I know the vet suspected FIP) and were euthanized. Little Dani was left alone, in a bathroom with no windows, and not many visitors. The second I found out about her, I set up the sun room off my bedroom (it was unheated but fixed that fast) and took her home. Anyway, I wanted to give the whole background so you know just how much she has been through in her short life. While even here it is not optimal--she is isolated--it is so much better than being stuck in the stuffy bathroom. Here, she bird watches, has a ton of toys, a much better diet and a ton of cuddles (though not as much as I wish. I have 17 other cats.) I have two big questions: is it possible for her to become negative with a positive IFA result at 9 weeks? And, second: how do I best care for her? I have her on a high quality canned only diet (wellness and weruva--no fish) and minimize stress as much as possible. Are there supplements I should be giving? Are NuCat vitamins recommended? Are my food choices OK for her? I will never vaccinate or even take her to a vet (I'd have one come to me if necessary to minimize stress.) I feel terrible she is alone a lot of the time and I have thought about bringing in another young FeLV + kitty for her, but I am worried about causing stress, having it backfire. I have all the patience in the world when it comes to having cats work out issues, but I'm also very careful when bringing in a new cat, quarantining for a couple of weeks, letting her explore while I put others in other rooms, etc. But I wouldn't have that ability to do so with a companion for Dani as I literally don't have any rooms left. Sorry for such a long post! I really want to do right by her. I love her to pieces. Thank you! Laura and Dani girl ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hi, Laura, back again. just read the rest of your story. My top number has been 7, don't know how you do it with 17. It sems we all agree that giving love, reducing stress and feeding hihg quality food is the best route to go. Annie was also very stressed before I got her. She lost her owner of 4 years, was left alone in a trailer for 3 weeks with somjeone to change her box and feed her, no interaction. Then they stuffed her in a box, brought her to the vet and then I brought her home to a 2 story house, another cat and 2 new humans. She spent the first week or so in the basement with midnight trips up for food and water. She is still skittish, especially when Harley, Casey or Homie decide to stalk her, but other than that, is doing very well. By all means, if you wat to, adopt another positive cat to give her company, but you might also want to consider allowing her into the house with the others - providing everyone gets along Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org wrote: Hi Laura, I don’t have a lot of advice for you, as my experience with FeLV is somewhat limited. I joined the list when one of the ferals I was feeding tested positive when I had him neutered. He lived in our spare room until I found him a forever home 10 months later. During this time, he shared the room with another feral from the colony. I first tried keeping him by himself, but he was too stressed. Our vet didn’t think the other cat had a high risk of contracting the disease since he was an adult and they had already lived together, shared food bowls, etc. I had the other cat tested months after the FeLV cat was adopted and he was fine. I think it’s an excellent idea to try integrating another cat with your wee kitten. Sadly, most FeLV cats are euthanized and never given the chance you’re giving Dani. So an addition would save another life. Since she’s so young, I think she’d most likely welcome the company. (But this is just my opinion.) I just wanted to say thank you for looking past Dani’s disease and loving her for who she is. I’m praying she fights off the virus and lives a long and healthy life. Cindy From: laurak...@aol.com Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 5:57 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Introduction Hi everyone, I am new to this group--and new to FeLV. I just took in an FeLV+ kitty from the shelter where I am a volunteer. Her name is Dani and she is beautiful. Long story short, she and her three siblings were found outside in a box when they were about a week old. They came to the shelter and tested positive for FeLV (ELISA). They were retested and again it was positive. At 9 weeks, they had an IFA test, all positive. During this time, they were bottle fed until about 8 weeks, shuttled to and from the shelter by a staff member. They were also treated for URIs with azithromycin. The shelter cultures all incoming cats for ringworm and unfortunately theirs came back positive, so they were dipped in lyme a couple of times a week for a while and put on Itraconazole. Dani took longer to shake it off and so was completely alone for some time. During their time at the shelter they were vaccinated with 2 rounds of FVRCP, a rabies vaccine and spayed/neutered. Sadly, Dani's littermates all came down with different issues (I don't know all the details, but I know the vet suspected FIP) and were euthanized. Little Dani was left alone, in a bathroom with no windows, and not many visitors. The second I found out about her, I set up the sun room off my bedroom (it was unheated but fixed that fast) and took her home. Anyway, I wanted to give the whole background so you know just how much she has been through in her short life. While even here it is not optimal--she is isolated--it is so much better than being stuck in the stuffy bathroom. Here, she bird watches, has a ton of toys, a much better diet and a ton of cuddles (though not as much as I wish. I have 17 other cats.) I have two big questions: is it possible for her to become negative with a positive IFA result at 9 weeks? And, second: how do I best care for her? I have her on a high quality canned only diet (wellness and weruva--no fish) and minimize stress as much as possible. Are there supplements I should be giving? Are NuCat vitamins recommended? Are my food choices OK for her? I will never vaccinate or even take her to a vet (I'd have one come to me if necessary to minimize stress.) I feel terrible she is alone a lot of the time and I have thought about bringing in another young FeLV + kitty for her, but I am worried about causing stress, having it backfire. I have all the patience in the world when it comes to having cats work out issues, but I'm also very careful when bringing in a new cat, quarantining for a couple of weeks, letting her explore while I put others in other rooms, etc. But I wouldn't
[Felvtalk] Introduction
Hi everyone, I am new to this group--and new to FeLV. I just took in an FeLV+ kitty from the shelter where I am a volunteer. Her name is Dani and she is beautiful. Long story short, she and her three siblings were found outside in a box when they were about a week old. They came to the shelter and tested positive for FeLV (ELISA). They were retested and again it was positive. At 9 weeks, they had an IFA test, all positive. During this time, they were bottle fed until about 8 weeks, shuttled to and from the shelter by a staff member. They were also treated for URIs with azithromycin. The shelter cultures all incoming cats for ringworm and unfortunately theirs came back positive, so they were dipped in lyme a couple of times a week for a while and put on Itraconazole. Dani took longer to shake it off and so was completely alone for some time. During their time at the shelter they were vaccinated with 2 rounds of FVRCP, a rabies vaccine and spayed/neutered. Sadly, Dani's littermates all came down with different issues (I don't know all the details, but I know the vet suspected FIP) and were euthanized. Little Dani was left alone, in a bathroom with no windows, and not many visitors. The second I found out about her, I set up the sun room off my bedroom (it was unheated but fixed that fast) and took her home. Anyway, I wanted to give the whole background so you know just how much she has been through in her short life. While even here it is not optimal--she is isolated--it is so much better than being stuck in the stuffy bathroom. Here, she bird watches, has a ton of toys, a much better diet and a ton of cuddles (though not as much as I wish. I have 17 other cats.) I have two big questions: is it possible for her to become negative with a positive IFA result at 9 weeks? And, second: how do I best care for her? I have her on a high quality canned only diet (wellness and weruva--no fish) and minimize stress as much as possible. Are there supplements I should be giving? Are NuCat vitamins recommended? Are my food choices OK for her? I will never vaccinate or even take her to a vet (I'd have one come to me if necessary to minimize stress.) I feel terrible she is alone a lot of the time and I have thought about bringing in another young FeLV + kitty for her, but I am worried about causing stress, having it backfire. I have all the patience in the world when it comes to having cats work out issues, but I'm also very careful when bringing in a new cat, quarantining for a couple of weeks, letting her explore while I put others in other rooms, etc. But I wouldn't have that ability to do so with a companion for Dani as I literally don't have any rooms left. Sorry for such a long post! I really want to do right by her. I love her to pieces. Thank you! Laura and Dani girl ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Introduction pt 2
I should have mentioned that Dani is now 8 months and so far is in good health, eating well, very playful. Though a bit gassy and stool on softer side, but attributing that to the diet change. After looking more at the FeLV website I see the supplemental recommendations...are these warranted at her age/health status? And really curious if anyone uses Nucat vitamins. Thanks again! Laura and sweet Dani girl ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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That's how be introduce new cats in a room at the shelter. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Mon, 5/30/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV in Bone Marrow not in Blood To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, May 30, 2011, 2:12 PM How about, in the future, do as I do when I introduce a new cats to the group. I keep the new cat in a double cage for as long as it takes (anywhere from a few days to two or three weeks), cats sniffle, but new cat is safe. Then I open the cage when I see that there's no more hissing. Cats go inside to join the new cat, new cat walks out, explores (all, after already knowing the cats). I always use a sheet to cover the bedroom are for privacy. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 1:02 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV in Bone Marrow not in Blood I am sure it is stressful for her to come upstairs and see three cats. When I rescued my last kitty before Amber, he was only two weeks old and my two other cats HATED him. I was afraid they would try to kill him. I kept him away from them for a couple of months. I only brought him out when I could keep a watchful eye on him. Now he and one of the cats are big buddies. The other cat still just tolerates him. She is very moody. She just growls and tells the others to to get out of her way. She has been like this ever since I had her spayed when she was about six months old. So, I have not had any experience with cats being social from the beginning. Oh yes, and when I got my second cat the first one hated her...LOL...things are never easy at my house.Jannes From: Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Mon, May 30, 2011 9:51:16 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV in Bone Marrow not in Blood I agree with this comment. I will also add that since stress can induce the virus out of dormancy, do you think it would be stressful to her to meet your other kitties? It's hard to determine exactly what type of stress. This IS just a thought. I would think that most cats like to be together and find it comforting since they are such social animals. I once had a tortie (tortoise shell) cat and she stressed very easily. I heard it was her breed. She went into diabetes when I got a dachshund puppy for our family. She later went into remission. Then I got another dachshund puppy for our other dachshund as a playmate. She then went into diabetes again. Then I knew it was all stress related. We did have another cat and when he passed away, she was the happiest cat I had ever seen. She was one of those that needed to be the only cat. Too bad I did not know that when I saved her at 5 weeks old. If they only came with instructions!! (by the way, I had her 17 1/2 yrs. I lost her last June to a stroke that left her unable to walk). - Original Message - From: molvey...@hotmail.com To: sharon Fazio sharon.annfa...@gmail.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 6:58 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV in Bone Marrow not in Blood From my reading and limited understanding I will answer your questions. Just don't take it as the gospel. If the virus is in the bone marrow but not the blood it's referred to as being dormant. Your kitty cannot pass it to other kitties as long as it stays dormant. One book I read did say that many times cats that contract the virus but put it into dormancy will actually be able to extinguish the virus at some point. So it is possible that your kitty could one day be free of it totally. If she is not able to completely extinguish the virus it is definitely possible that it never gets into her blood or white blood cells. The reading made it seem like as long as the virus stays dormant then it should never cause problems. However, it can turn viremic which means it gets into her blood. Sometimes stress and other illnesses can activate the virus. But, whether it causes any problems at that point is a coin toss. I've heard of cats living into their mid to late teens even with the active virus so who knows. It's so hard to predict how each cat's immune system will deal with the virus. You are very lucky that even though she contracted the virus as a kitten that she was able to put it into dormancy. Many kittens that get it will die young. Maybe she will be one of those that will eventually get rid of the virus completely since her immune system was stronger than most kittens. So all that just to say who the heck knows what will happen. It's so unpredictable. You had the IFA test done too didn't you? As far as the interferon goes, I have a friend who believes in it and gives it to her FIV and FeLV kitties every day
[Felvtalk] Aggie Introduction Part 1
This is the first of two posts--my wordy self had originally tried to post one long email, but I was over the limit. So, I thought it was a good idea to break it up. Without further ado--here is part 1--part 2 is being posted momentarily. Hi all, I've been following for awhile, but never actually joined. So, first and foremost--thank you for all of your wonderful information and kindness you show to each other on a daily basis. It is truly inspiring. Prepare thyselves for a VERY long email Second, while I am new to the list, I am not new to FELV as I've had a wonderful FELV + kitty (Aggie) that my wife and I raised from a kitten since 2004. We found her and her siblings, less than a year after we got married, under the dumpster of the apartment complex where we used to live. We got them cleaned up, adopted out, and then the one person who adopted two of them called to let us know that they were going to have one of them put down due to testing positive for FELV. So, despite not being a cat person--as I've always had dogs and birds, we became a cat family. So, I've been living with the disease, knowing full well what it could do, for over 6 years now. She's tested positive throughout the years on Elisa and IFA on multiple occasions. Aggie Lucky Trouble has given us so much joy since day one. I have loved every minute of having her in my life—within ten minutes of her being “mine” she had me wrapped around her little paw and she became the matriarch of a long line of cats that I’m sure my family will have throughout the years. For the first 5 years of Aggie's life, she took daily Alpha Interferon from a dropper (it is still the highlight of her day--she loves the stuff!), went to the vet twice a year for wellness checkups and she wasn't sick a day in her life. In the summer of 2009, however, I noticed a bump behind her right ear. Long story short, it was an adenocarcinoma of the parotid salivary gland. Vets at UC Davis said it was encapsulated, and they got all the cancer they could see, with a very small, but clean margin. We opted not to do radiation, as we didn't want to stress her little system and get the FELV into active mode. We diligently checked for regrowths, had her lungs x-rayed every few months, and had bloodwork run a few times a year. No return of the adenocarcinoma that we know of. Spring of 2010, she's active and playful as normal, but her bloodwork, and weight started to decline. Everything looked good other than WBC 3.8, neutrophils 2000, and platelets (est 50-120)were a bit low. On followup tests, the WBC and neutrophils were even a bit lower (3.6 and 1800, respectively). So, we went the LTCI route. After 3 weekly shots, things had declined further (WBC 2.8 and Neutrophils 1200), but we had read this would happen initially as the stuff killed off the infected cells. Went to every other week on the stuff, and things had improved (WBC 4.0, Neutophils 2800, and Platelets 120-Normal--not as worried about platelets as she is VERY difficult to get a sample from--it usually takes everyone in the office and she gives everybody heck). Subsequent tests (still at every two weeks) and WBC had risen to 4.8, Neutrophils to 3800, and same platelets). All was good until a month or so ago, when I noticed her weight was down a bit, so I gave her a quarter pill of an appetite stimulant--mirazapine--and a half hour later she was seizing (lasted 30 seconds, but it seemed like hours). This was also the time when we tried to stretch her LTCI to every three weeks. Rushed her to the e-vet, where she was her normal, wild self--leaping on the vet's keyboard and getting in the way. Didn't run any tests, as the e-vet thought it would be less expensive at our regular vet's office. Two days later, she had another, milder seizure--still standing, responsive to her name, but drooling and twitching, and contorted. Lots of loud meows and a bit spacey afterword for a few minutes, but back to normal after that. Told that the mirtaziprine will be in the system for at least 72 hours, so it is possible that it lowered the threshold for her body to have a seizure. This would make sense, as her last seizure was about 68 hours after her first seizure. She has had no seizures since. Our regular vet wanted to refer us out to UC Davis, but overall costs for diagnostic tests were going to be almost $5000, which we couldn't afford. So, we did a compromise, and our regular vet did a chest x-ray to see if there was some sort of systemic cancer, and we ran blood to see if there was something there that might indicate a seizure. The only weird thing was that her bloodwork looked great (for her anyway--still 4.8 WBC, and good neutrophils and everything else). Nothing in the lungs either. ___ Felvtalk mailing list
[Felvtalk] Aggie Introduction Part 2
Our story continues with Aggie introduction, part 2.. At this point, I would have chalked the seizure up to the mirtaziprine if it wasn't for the fact that the day before we gave her the drug, Aggie was meowing very loudly and had thrown up a bit of a clear liquid. While my wife didn't see it, she wasn't covered in drool and wasn't disoriented like after the two known seizures. So, we really don't know what happened, but suspect it was a milder seizure type incident, and the mirtaziprine made everything worse. My vet, nor the vet I consulted with at UC Davis, thinks the mirtaziprine was the major cause, though they did admit that it might be what triggered the grand mal, and the later, smaller seizure. So, to be on the safe side, she has been on phenobarbitol for about a month now, with no further seizures (my wife is home with our 3 month old baby, so she would know). The first three weeks on it were rough--sluggish, lots of sleeping, and incoordinated with weakness in her hind legs. (Cat, not the wife, for those of you still reading!) As of now, she is pretty much back to normal, with just a little residual weakness. Nowhere near where it was, though. At present, still getting interferon every day, reloaded her with LTCI weekly for three weeks, and now moving back to what had become the sweet spot of every 2 weeks (next shot is this Saturday) and hoping for the best. When we next test her blood in a few weeks, we might see if we can screen for toxoplasmosis and cryptococcus (I know I misspelled this!) but didn’t have the cash to do it the first time around. Another possibility is that she might have been exposed to insecticide, as we had the outside of our home sprayed for wasps a month or so ago. The day of the first incident it had rained, and she was sitting for most of the day at the screen door looking out into the yard. She was sitting over the door jam (but still behind the screen, mere inches from an area that had been heavily sprayed, as it was a problem area, and the recent rain could have easily washed some of the toxins through the screen for her to breathe or even lick. Could have gotten to her paws, and she could have licked them--I don't know. Other possibilities are of course, a brain tumor, the FELV crossing the blood brain barrier, lymphoma of the gut that had metastatized (probably misspelled this one too) into her brain but avoided the lungs and hasn’t swelled up her lymph nodes enough that the vet can feel, or the aforementioned poisoning, crypto, and toxoplasmosis. Our other cat, who has lived with us for five years (and is FELV negative but vaccinated) was a cat that settled on the front porch of the house we had just moved into. So, it is possible he brought it in, but her immune system was strong enough to deal with it for 5 years. At this point, Aggie seems happy, weight is alright, appetite is good, and her zest for life is apparent. She doesn't mind being around the baby at all, and we are trying to make every day a party for as long as we have her. She is the protypical cat, in that she is alternatingly spunky, sweet, and antisocial and loves to chase my wife's hair clips all over the house. She'll ignore almost every other toy, but not those hair bands. Our FELV negative boy--Crookshanks, is the sweetest animal known to humanity. He loves the baby, and (supervised of course) will sit with her and occasionally nuzzle her feet. He will sit on the couch above me as I hold the baby, and groom my head with his tongue. He does the same to my wife, if he isn’t in her lap. He would love to groom the baby too, but that is a bit much! So—that is one long introduction! In all likelihood, we are on the downhill slope of our time together, but who knows—she is a spunky girl and we’ve been lucky to have her for so long. I’ll keep you posted as we go through the rest of our journey together. Even though we never met, all of you have given me so much hope and inspiration. To those of you who have lost cats, my deepest condolences--and know that I will continue to send good thoughts and purrayers, as Alice likes to say, your way. Peace, Andy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Aggie Introduction Part 2
Wow, Andy! What a storyand what a lucky kitty Aggie is. Fortunate, too, to be close to UC Davis. Will keep your family and Aggie in my thoughts and prayers. Bless you and your wife for giving her so much love and attention.with a new baby! Yipes. You're not getting any sleep at all, are you?! Best wishes, Sara -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Andy Domek Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 11:02 AM To: FELV List Subject: [Felvtalk] Aggie Introduction Part 2 Our story continues with Aggie introduction, part 2.. At this point, I would have chalked the seizure up to the mirtaziprine if it wasn't for the fact that the day before we gave her the drug, Aggie was meowing very loudly and had thrown up a bit of a clear liquid. While my wife didn't see it, she wasn't covered in drool and wasn't disoriented like after the two known seizures. So, we really don't know what happened, but suspect it was a milder seizure type incident, and the mirtaziprine made everything worse. My vet, nor the vet I consulted with at UC Davis, thinks the mirtaziprine was the major cause, though they did admit that it might be what triggered the grand mal, and the later, smaller seizure. So, to be on the safe side, she has been on phenobarbitol for about a month now, with no further seizures (my wife is home with our 3 month old baby, so she would know). The first three weeks on it were rough--sluggish, lots of sleeping, and incoordinated with weakness in her hind legs. (Cat, not the wife, for those of you still reading!) As of now, she is pretty much back to normal, with just a little residual weakness. Nowhere near where it was, though. At present, still getting interferon every day, reloaded her with LTCI weekly for three weeks, and now moving back to what had become the sweet spot of every 2 weeks (next shot is this Saturday) and hoping for the best. When we next test her blood in a few weeks, we might see if we can screen for toxoplasmosis and cryptococcus (I know I misspelled this!) but didn't have the cash to do it the first time around. Another possibility is that she might have been exposed to insecticide, as we had the outside of our home sprayed for wasps a month or so ago. The day of the first incident it had rained, and she was sitting for most of the day at the screen door looking out into the yard. She was sitting over the door jam (but still behind the screen, mere inches from an area that had been heavily sprayed, as it was a problem area, and the recent rain could have easily washed some of the toxins through the screen for her to breathe or even lick. Could have gotten to her paws, and she could have licked them--I don't know. Other possibilities are of course, a brain tumor, the FELV crossing the blood brain barrier, lymphoma of the gut that had metastatized (probably misspelled this one too) into her brain but avoided the lungs and hasn't swelled up her lymph nodes enough that the vet can feel, or the aforementioned poisoning, crypto, and toxoplasmosis. Our other cat, who has lived with us for five years (and is FELV negative but vaccinated) was a cat that settled on the front porch of the house we had just moved into. So, it is possible he brought it in, but her immune system was strong enough to deal with it for 5 years. At this point, Aggie seems happy, weight is alright, appetite is good, and her zest for life is apparent. She doesn't mind being around the baby at all, and we are trying to make every day a party for as long as we have her. She is the protypical cat, in that she is alternatingly spunky, sweet, and antisocial and loves to chase my wife's hair clips all over the house. She'll ignore almost every other toy, but not those hair bands. Our FELV negative boy--Crookshanks, is the sweetest animal known to humanity. He loves the baby, and (supervised of course) will sit with her and occasionally nuzzle her feet. He will sit on the couch above me as I hold the baby, and groom my head with his tongue. He does the same to my wife, if he isn't in her lap. He would love to groom the baby too, but that is a bit much! So-that is one long introduction! In all likelihood, we are on the downhill slope of our time together, but who knows-she is a spunky girl and we've been lucky to have her for so long. I'll keep you posted as we go through the rest of our journey together. Even though we never met, all of you have given me so much hope and inspiration. To those of you who have lost cats, my deepest condolences--and know that I will continue to send good thoughts and purrayers, as Alice likes to say, your way. Peace, Andy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 5521 (20101011
Re: [Felvtalk] Aggie Introduction Part 2
Andy, What a wonderful story and a very lucky kitty (both of them). Sure wish there were more folks like y'all in the world. I have a Feluk positive kitty with a neurological disorder ( feline cerebellar hyposplasia - he wobbles a bit) that we just rescued and I need to find a home for him. S, if anyone knows someone in Texas who might want to adopt, let me know :) Edna From: oxjake...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 18:02:07 + Subject: [Felvtalk] Aggie Introduction Part 2 Our story continues with Aggie introduction, part 2.. At this point, I would have chalked the seizure up to the mirtaziprine if it wasn't for the fact that the day before we gave her the drug, Aggie was meowing very loudly and had thrown up a bit of a clear liquid. While my wife didn't see it, she wasn't covered in drool and wasn't disoriented like after the two known seizures. So, we really don't know what happened, but suspect it was a milder seizure type incident, and the mirtaziprine made everything worse. My vet, nor the vet I consulted with at UC Davis, thinks the mirtaziprine was the major cause, though they did admit that it might be what triggered the grand mal, and the later, smaller seizure. So, to be on the safe side, she has been on phenobarbitol for about a month now, with no further seizures (my wife is home with our 3 month old baby, so she would know). The first three weeks on it were rough--sluggish, lots of sleeping, and incoordinated with weakness in her hind legs. (Cat, not the wife, for those of you still reading!) As of now, she is pretty much back to normal, with just a little residual weakness. Nowhere near where it was, though. At present, still getting interferon every day, reloaded her with LTCI weekly for three weeks, and now moving back to what had become the sweet spot of every 2 weeks (next shot is this Saturday) and hoping for the best. When we next test her blood in a few weeks, we might see if we can screen for toxoplasmosis and cryptococcus (I know I misspelled this!) but didn’t have the cash to do it the first time around. Another possibility is that she might have been exposed to insecticide, as we had the outside of our home sprayed for wasps a month or so ago. The day of the first incident it had rained, and she was sitting for most of the day at the screen door looking out into the yard. She was sitting over the door jam (but still behind the screen, mere inches from an area that had been heavily sprayed, as it was a problem area, and the recent rain could have easily washed some of the toxins through the screen for her to breathe or even lick. Could have gotten to her paws, and she could have licked them--I don't know. Other possibilities are of course, a brain tumor, the FELV crossing the blood brain barrier, lymphoma of the gut that had metastatized (probably misspelled this one too) into her brain but avoided the lungs and hasn’t swelled up her lymph nodes enough that the vet can feel, or the aforementioned poisoning, crypto, and toxoplasmosis. Our other cat, who has lived with us for five years (and is FELV negative but vaccinated) was a cat that settled on the front porch of the house we had just moved into. So, it is possible he brought it in, but her immune system was strong enough to deal with it for 5 years. At this point, Aggie seems happy, weight is alright, appetite is good, and her zest for life is apparent. She doesn't mind being around the baby at all, and we are trying to make every day a party for as long as we have her. She is the protypical cat, in that she is alternatingly spunky, sweet, and antisocial and loves to chase my wife's hair clips all over the house. She'll ignore almost every other toy, but not those hair bands. Our FELV negative boy--Crookshanks, is the sweetest animal known to humanity. He loves the baby, and (supervised of course) will sit with her and occasionally nuzzle her feet. He will sit on the couch above me as I hold the baby, and groom my head with his tongue. He does the same to my wife, if he isn’t in her lap. He would love to groom the baby too, but that is a bit much! So—that is one long introduction! In all likelihood, we are on the downhill slope of our time together, but who knows—she is a spunky girl and we’ve been lucky to have her for so long. I’ll keep you posted as we go through the rest of our journey together. Even though we never met, all of you have given me so much hope and inspiration. To those of you who have lost cats, my deepest condolences--and know that I will continue to send good thoughts and purrayers, as Alice likes to say, your way. Peace, Andy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Aggie Introduction Part 2
Andy, What a great introduction to the wonderful Aggie! Glad that she Crookshanks are accepting the baby so well. When my daughter was born, my cat Chaucer gave her the cold shoulder for months. Didn't go into her room, pretended all the baby paraphernalia was invisible, a definite if I don't acknowledge its presence, it'll just go away attitude. But during their 12 years together, my daughter turned out to be the person Chaucer loved best. I was extremely interested in Aggie's history, especially your experience with treatments like LTCI and Interferon. Since there are so few clinical trials studies to go by, shared first hand experiences are invaluable. Thank you so much for taking the time to write everything up. Will look for your posts about your continuing journey with Aggie... Kris B. From: Andy Domek oxjake...@hotmail.com To: FELV List felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Mon, October 11, 2010 2:02:07 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Aggie Introduction Part 2 Our story continues with Aggie introduction, part 2.. At this point, I would have chalked the seizure up to the mirtaziprine if it wasn't for the fact that the day before we gave her the drug, Aggie was meowing very loudly and had thrown up a bit of a clear liquid. While my wife didn't see it, she wasn't covered in drool and wasn't disoriented like after the two known seizures. So, we really don't know what happened, but suspect it was a milder seizure type incident, and the mirtaziprine made everything worse. My vet, nor the vet I consulted with at UC Davis, thinks the mirtaziprine was the major cause, though they did admit that it might be what triggered the grand mal, and the later, smaller seizure. So, to be on the safe side, she has been on phenobarbitol for about a month now, with no further seizures (my wife is home with our 3 month old baby, so she would know). The first three weeks on it were rough--sluggish, lots of sleeping, and incoordinated with weakness in her hind legs. (Cat, not the wife, for those of you still reading!) As of now, she is pretty much back to normal, with just a little residual weakness. Nowhere near where it was, though. At present, still getting interferon every day, reloaded her with LTCI weekly for three weeks, and now moving back to what had become the sweet spot of every 2 weeks (next shot is this Saturday) and hoping for the best. When we next test her blood in a few weeks, we might see if we can screen for toxoplasmosis and cryptococcus (I know I misspelled this!) but didn’t have the cash to do it the first time around. Another possibility is that she might have been exposed to insecticide, as we had the outside of our home sprayed for wasps a month or so ago. The day of the first incident it had rained, and she was sitting for most of the day at the screen door looking out into the yard. She was sitting over the door jam (but still behind the screen, mere inches from an area that had been heavily sprayed, as it was a problem area, and the recent rain could have easily washed some of the toxins through the screen for her to breathe or even lick. Could have gotten to her paws, and she could have licked them--I don't know. Other possibilities are of course, a brain tumor, the FELV crossing the blood brain barrier, lymphoma of the gut that had metastatized (probably misspelled this one too) into her brain but avoided the lungs and hasn’t swelled up her lymph nodes enough that the vet can feel, or the aforementioned poisoning, crypto, and toxoplasmosis. Our other cat, who has lived with us for five years (and is FELV negative but vaccinated) was a cat that settled on the front porch of the house we had just moved into. So, it is possible he brought it in, but her immune system was strong enough to deal with it for 5 years. At this point, Aggie seems happy, weight is alright, appetite is good, and her zest for life is apparent. She doesn't mind being around the baby at all, and we are trying to make every day a party for as long as we have her. She is the protypical cat, in that she is alternatingly spunky, sweet, and antisocial and loves to chase my wife's hair clips all over the house. She'll ignore almost every other toy, but not those hair bands. Our FELV negative boy--Crookshanks, is the sweetest animal known to humanity. He loves the baby, and (supervised of course) will sit with her and occasionally nuzzle her feet. He will sit on the couch above me as I hold the baby, and groom my head with his tongue. He does the same to my wife, if he isn’t in her lap. He would love to groom the baby too, but that is a bit much! So—that is one long introduction! In all likelihood, we are on the downhill slope of our time together, but who knows—she is a spunky girl and we’ve been lucky to have her for so long. I’ll keep you posted as we go through the rest of our journey together
Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk - introduction - Chewie and Stitch
Good evening, I don't know if anyone currently active remembers me, I first signed up for this list in April of 2007, when one cat (Chewie) was diagnosed with FELV after getting sick. I haven't been really active on here since, but I thought I'd post again with an update. My original introduction message is copied below. It is with sadness that I report that Stitch, who I mentioned originally has having been tested shortly after Chewie died has now left us, almost exactly 3 years after Chewie did. Stitch has done great these last few years, we never had any problems and had some hopes that she might have fought the virus off. Sadly, this was not the case. She started acting sick this weekend and we brought her to the vet on Tuesday. She'd lost a few pounds since her last visit, and a blood test revealed that she was very low on red blood cells, the Vet thinking that she had a bone marrow disease as she didn't seem to have any new red blood cells at all (could this be myeloproliferative leukemia, which I've seen mentioned in other places?). Given that she was FELV positive and was clearly suffering, we decided to have her put to sleep. Anyway, though I haven't been really active here, folks were very helpful after my initial post and the info and support I did get here were instrumental in keeping Stich as healthy as she was for as long as she was. It's still really hard, but I know that we did everything that we could for her. She was a very special kitty, and she'll be greatly missed. These are direct links to photos I have stored on my Facebook stage, I'm not sure if they'll work like this, but we shall see. These are both very recent photos of Stitch: http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs417.snc3/25118_384112819913_539489913_3684055_4308847_n.jpg http://hphotos-snc3.fbcdn.net/hs437.snc3/25118_384111604913_539489913_3684051_7341747_n.jpg Thanks, Joe Reil redshar...@yahoo.com _ Howdy all, This is my first post to this list, thought I'd do a bit of intro. We had three cats in our family. The older two were both castaways that were adopted as adults. Zoro was the oldest and I adopted him from a co-worker when I lived by myself. He died several years ago. The remaining two were Stitch and Chewie. Chewie was the next oldest. She had a really hard start to life, she was originally found, as a stray by some friends of ours. She was probably two or three at the time and she had evidence of being abused - she had some suspicious scars on her underside. She lived with them for a while, very shy/nervous and eventually came out of her shell. A couple years later, they had to move, and couldn't take her with them so we took her in. We had her for several years as well and while we don't know her exact age, best estimate put her at 8-10 years old when she died last month. She had a loss of appetite and started losing weight. She had two trips to the Vet - after the first visit she took a serious turn for the worse so we had her back at the vet only a few days later. A blood test on the second visit revealed that she had FelV. So, considering she was very sick and was suffering from a pretty serious disease we opted to put her to sleep then. :( I didn't know much about FelV then (and I'm still learning about it), but information from both our Vet and online resources I found indicated that it was contagious so we decided to have our third (and youngest) cat tested for it. Stitch is the only one we got as a Kitten and she's about 3.5 years old. I brought her to the vet this weekend and she tested positive for FelV. :( I do intend to learn as much as I can about the disease so we can keep her with us as long as possible. I know that it will eventually catch up to her and our main thing will be to put that off as long as possible. She's still young and healthy so hopefully that'll be a long time still. :) We had been planning to get a second cat, but we've put that plan on hold now. I know it is possible to inoculate against FelV, but given that the vaccine takes a while to take effect, we'd either have to quarantine the new cat until the vaccine took effect or find it someplace else to live for a month or so, and on top of all that I don't think we want to put Stitch through the stress of another housemate at the moment (she doesn't react well to strangers). Thanks, Joe ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk - introduction - Chewie and Stitch
Hi Joe She is beautiful and she will remain forever in your heart and memories. Sally -- Sally(me), Eric (not a cat),Junior(angel), Tiny(angel) Fluffy(soul mate angel), Lionel(angel),Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black(MIA), Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior, Hotdog (newest) Silver, and Spike ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk - introduction - Chewie and Stitch
Joe, I am sorry to hear of your great loss! My Gray Kitty, who did test positive and currently test negative for FeLV, battles anemia. He has been on very high dosages of Pred for almost 2 years. This seems to keep his hematocrit in normal range. His story is a very long one someday, I will write a book on it. Our hopes is that he will set presidence for future FeLV cats give pet owners hope! Sent from my iPhone On Apr 8, 2010, at 3:50 PM, Joe Reil redshar...@yahoo.com wrote: Good evening, I don't know if anyone currently active remembers me, I first signed up for this list in April of 2007, when one cat (Chewie) was diagnosed with FELV after getting sick. I haven't been really active on here since, but I thought I'd post again with an update. My original introduction message is copied below. It is with sadness that I report that Stitch, who I mentioned originally has having been tested shortly after Chewie died has now left us, almost exactly 3 years after Chewie did. Stitch has done great these last few years, we never had any problems and had some hopes that she might have fought the virus off. Sadly, this was not the case. She started acting sick this weekend and we brought her to the vet on Tuesday. She'd lost a few pounds since her last visit, and a blood test revealed that she was very low on red blood cells, the Vet thinking that she had a bone marrow disease as she didn't seem to have any new red blood cells at all (could this be myeloproliferative leukemia, which I've seen mentioned in other places?). Given that she was FELV positive and was clearly suffering, we decided to have her put to sleep. Anyway, though I haven't been really active here, folks were very helpful after my initial post and the info and support I did get here were instrumental in keeping Stich as healthy as she was for as long as she was. It's still really hard, but I know that we did everything that we could for her. She was a very special kitty, and she'll be greatly missed. These are direct links to photos I have stored on my Facebook stage, I'm not sure if they'll work like this, but we shall see. These are both very recent photos of Stitch: http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs417.snc3/25118_384112819913_539489913_3684055_4308847_n.jpg http://hphotos-snc3.fbcdn.net/hs437.snc3/25118_384111604913_539489913_3684051_7341747_n.jpg Thanks, Joe Reil redshar...@yahoo.com _ Howdy all, This is my first post to this list, thought I'd do a bit of intro. We had three cats in our family. The older two were both castaways that were adopted as adults. Zoro was the oldest and I adopted him from a co-worker when I lived by myself. He died several years ago. The remaining two were Stitch and Chewie. Chewie was the next oldest. She had a really hard start to life, she was originally found, as a stray by some friends of ours. She was probably two or three at the time and she had evidence of being abused - she had some suspicious scars on her underside. She lived with them for a while, very shy/nervous and eventually came out of her shell. A couple years later, they had to move, and couldn't take her with them so we took her in. We had her for several years as well and while we don't know her exact age, best estimate put her at 8-10 years old when she died last month. She had a loss of appetite and started losing weight. She had two trips to the Vet - after the first visit she took a serious turn for the worse so we had her back at the vet only a few days later. A blood test on the second visit revealed that she had FelV. So, considering she was very sick and was suffering from a pretty serious disease we opted to put her to sleep then. :( I didn't know much about FelV then (and I'm still learning about it), but information from both our Vet and online resources I found indicated that it was contagious so we decided to have our third (and youngest) cat tested for it. Stitch is the only one we got as a Kitten and she's about 3.5 years old. I brought her to the vet this weekend and she tested positive for FelV. :( I do intend to learn as much as I can about the disease so we can keep her with us as long as possible. I know that it will eventually catch up to her and our main thing will be to put that off as long as possible. She's still young and healthy so hopefully that'll be a long time still. :) We had been planning to get a second cat, but we've put that plan on hold now. I know it is possible to inoculate against FelV, but given that the vaccine takes a while to take effect, we'd either have to quarantine the new cat until the vaccine took effect or find it someplace else to live for a month or so, and on top of all that I don't think we want to put Stitch through the stress of another housemate at the moment (she doesn't react well to strangers). Thanks, Joe
Re: [Felvtalk] Casper is positive and our Introduction
Lisa, I wanted to thank you for providing a loving home for these positive kitties. I understand how difficult it must have been when Chessie got sick. There is so much we don't know about FeLV. Some kitties are mixed with no adverse impact and others can't. I waited a couple of weeks after the booster shot for Stormie before mixing mine. Tiki and Pequita had been getting their annual FeLV vaccine for years since they did go outside on supervised excursions. Stormie was a new rescue but came from the same colony as my positives. I love them all but my positives have a special place in my heart. Bright Eyes, CJ, Houdini, Mattie, Molly Brown and Mae have crossed the Rainbow Bridge but Rocket and Sissy are doing fine after 2 1/2 yrs. Sweet Max seems to have FIP in addition to being a positive but I love him every minute of every day. Sharyl --- On Thu, 3/4/10, David Lisa Ogg emmhomescho...@peoplepc.com wrote: From: David Lisa Ogg emmhomescho...@peoplepc.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Casper is positive and our Introduction To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, March 4, 2010, 8:29 PM Hi, I am rather new to this list, but wanted to ask Sue how long ago was it that sweet Casper was vacinated for Feline Leukemia before she tested positive? I am just curious as I am learning so much about this horrible disease. I have been reading many posts since I joined in January and I just want to say thank you to all of you out there who care for these positive furballs like a do. I can't believe how much I have learned. I also would like to share my story with you. My daughter and I foster for a small rescue in PA (bottle babies is our specialty) and we have just recently became a positive house. Prior to January, we had a negative cat, Polly (our own) which we adopted in 2006 and Chessie, adopted in September 2008. In December of 2008, we took in a foster cat from a vet that had a hip injury and the original owners were going to have her put to sleep due to lack of finances. The vet felt that Jasmine (1-2 years old) had such a sweet personality and deserved better. She contacted the rescue and asked if we would be willing to take her. Before we brought her home, she was tested at the vets for Feline Leukemia and it came back negative. She had her surgery, spayed, etc. and healed fine. Anyway, Chessie became sick right around Christmas and when he stopped eating, I took him to the vet and he tested positive. He progressed very fast and passed away in January. After having the other two cats tested, Polly was negative (has since died due to tumor), and Jasmine tested positive. This caused a big stir in our house and the lady we foster for as that meant several cats needed to be tested. In January we also lost 2 other kittens who were adopted out which were exposed to my Positive cats while they were kittens (and later, since one of them wasn't adopted right away, the one was exposed to the cats from the lady we rescue from). After much testing between the lady who we rescue cats for and our house, we have determined that Jasmine seems to be the one who has spread it. We are assuming that she is a carrier. She is a very healthy cat. Since one of the other cats at our rescue (in another house) tested positive, we took her in. We have many more cats there that have tested negative, but are getting retested in a couple of months. Today we just added a beautiful, positive Snow Shoe girl to our family. We have named her Tootsie. She was found 3 weeks ago by a friend of mine and was neglected/abused. My friend took her in and has saved her (had an exposed trachea and gangerine) and didn't think she would find anyone with a positive cat(s). Surprise! My friend has dealt with a lot of trauma/wounds, but has never seen anything like this. We look forward to providing for her and giving her the best care she could have. Thanks for letting me share. Lisa ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Casper is positive and our Introduction
Hi, I am rather new to this list, but wanted to ask Sue how long ago was it that sweet Casper was vacinated for Feline Leukemia before she tested positive? I am just curious as I am learning so much about this horrible disease. I have been reading many posts since I joined in January and I just want to say thank you to all of you out there who care for these positive furballs like a do. I can't believe how much I have learned. I also would like to share my story with you. My daughter and I foster for a small rescue in PA (bottle babies is our specialty) and we have just recently became a positive house. Prior to January, we had a negative cat, Polly (our own) which we adopted in 2006 and Chessie, adopted in September 2008. In December of 2008, we took in a foster cat from a vet that had a hip injury and the original owners were going to have her put to sleep due to lack of finances. The vet felt that Jasmine (1-2 years old) had such a sweet personality and deserved better. She contacted the rescue and asked if we would be willing to take her. Before we brought her home, she was tested at the vets for Feline Leukemia and it came back negative. She had her surgery, spayed, etc. and healed fine. Anyway, Chessie became sick right around Christmas and when he stopped eating, I took him to the vet and he tested positive. He progressed very fast and passed away in January. After having the other two cats tested, Polly was negative (has since died due to tumor), and Jasmine tested positive. This caused a big stir in our house and the lady we foster for as that meant several cats needed to be tested. In January we also lost 2 other kittens who were adopted out which were exposed to my Positive cats while they were kittens (and later, since one of them wasn't adopted right away, the one was exposed to the cats from the lady we rescue from). After much testing between the lady who we rescue cats for and our house, we have determined that Jasmine seems to be the one who has spread it. We are assuming that she is a carrier. She is a very healthy cat.Since one of the other cats at our rescue (in another house) tested positive, we took her in. We have many more cats there that have tested negative, but are getting retested in a couple of months. Today we just added a beautiful, positive Snow Shoe girl to our family. We have named her Tootsie. She was found 3 weeks ago by a friend of mine and was neglected/abused. My friend took her in and has saved her (had an exposed trachea and gangerine) and didn't think she would find anyone with a positive cat(s). Surprise! My friend has dealt with a lot of trauma/wounds, but has never seen anything like this. We look forward to providing for her and giving her the best care she could have. Thanks for letting me share. Lisa - Original Message - From: Frank Sue Koren fs...@roadrunner.com To: FeLV talk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 7:47 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Casper is positive My poor sweet Casper is FeLV+. So by making the decision to mix I have condemned him. He is anemic and he is going on Doxycyclne and Prednosolone. Has anyone ever heard of a cat that has anemia living longer then a few months? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Casper is positive and our Introduction
Our negative cats are due for their vaccinations this month. I let Buzz out of his quaranteen room the first part of April of 2008. The others were vaccinated through the month of March. Then again last year. Now I am wondering if the vaccinations did any good at all. You have a very interesting history. Thank God for people like you who take care of the ones who most need it. - Original Message - From: David Lisa Ogg emmhomescho...@peoplepc.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Casper is positive and our Introduction Hi, I am rather new to this list, but wanted to ask Sue how long ago was it that sweet Casper was vacinated for Feline Leukemia before she tested positive? I am just curious as I am learning so much about this horrible disease. I have been reading many posts since I joined in January and I just want to say thank you to all of you out there who care for these positive furballs like a do. I can't believe how much I have learned. I also would like to share my story with you. My daughter and I foster for a small rescue in PA (bottle babies is our specialty) and we have just recently became a positive house. Prior to January, we had a negative cat, Polly (our own) which we adopted in 2006 and Chessie, adopted in September 2008. In December of 2008, we took in a foster cat from a vet that had a hip injury and the original owners were going to have her put to sleep due to lack of finances. The vet felt that Jasmine (1-2 years old) had such a sweet personality and deserved better. She contacted the rescue and asked if we would be willing to take her. Before we brought her home, she was tested at the vets for Feline Leukemia and it came back negative. She had her surgery, spayed, etc. and healed fine. Anyway, Chessie became sick right around Christmas and when he stopped eating, I took him to the vet and he tested positive. He progressed very fast and passed away in January. After having the other two cats tested, Polly was negative (has since died due to tumor), and Jasmine tested positive. This caused a big stir in our house and the lady we foster for as that meant several cats needed to be tested. In January we also lost 2 other kittens who were adopted out which were exposed to my Positive cats while they were kittens (and later, since one of them wasn't adopted right away, the one was exposed to the cats from the lady we rescue from). After much testing between the lady who we rescue cats for and our house, we have determined that Jasmine seems to be the one who has spread it. We are assuming that she is a carrier. She is a very healthy cat.Since one of the other cats at our rescue (in another house) tested positive, we took her in. We have many more cats there that have tested negative, but are getting retested in a couple of months. Today we just added a beautiful, positive Snow Shoe girl to our family. We have named her Tootsie. She was found 3 weeks ago by a friend of mine and was neglected/abused. My friend took her in and has saved her (had an exposed trachea and gangerine) and didn't think she would find anyone with a positive cat(s). Surprise! My friend has dealt with a lot of trauma/wounds, but has never seen anything like this. We look forward to providing for her and giving her the best care she could have. Thanks for letting me share. Lisa - Original Message - From: Frank Sue Koren fs...@roadrunner.com To: FeLV talk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 7:47 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Casper is positive My poor sweet Casper is FeLV+. So by making the decision to mix I have condemned him. He is anemic and he is going on Doxycyclne and Prednosolone. Has anyone ever heard of a cat that has anemia living longer then a few months? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2721 - Release Date: 03/03/10 19:34:00 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Casper is positive and our Introduction
Bless you and your family for helping all these kitties. I am so sorry for your losses. My Squeaky was also figured to be a carrier. He was symptom free for 22 years! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of David Lisa Ogg Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 7:29 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Casper is positive and our Introduction Hi, I am rather new to this list, but wanted to ask Sue how long ago was it that sweet Casper was vacinated for Feline Leukemia before she tested positive? I am just curious as I am learning so much about this horrible disease. I have been reading many posts since I joined in January and I just want to say thank you to all of you out there who care for these positive furballs like a do. I can't believe how much I have learned. I also would like to share my story with you. My daughter and I foster for a small rescue in PA (bottle babies is our specialty) and we have just recently became a positive house. Prior to January, we had a negative cat, Polly (our own) which we adopted in 2006 and Chessie, adopted in September 2008. In December of 2008, we took in a foster cat from a vet that had a hip injury and the original owners were going to have her put to sleep due to lack of finances. The vet felt that Jasmine (1-2 years old) had such a sweet personality and deserved better. She contacted the rescue and asked if we would be willing to take her. Before we brought her home, she was tested at the vets for Feline Leukemia and it came back negative. She had her surgery, spayed, etc. and healed fine. Anyway, Chessie became sick right around Christmas and when he stopped eating, I took him to the vet and he tested positive. He progressed very fast and passed away in January. After having the other two cats tested, Polly was negative (has since died due to tumor), and Jasmine tested positive. This caused a big stir in our house and the lady we foster for as that meant several cats needed to be tested. In January we also lost 2 other kittens who were adopted out which were exposed to my Positive cats while they were kittens (and later, since one of them wasn't adopted right away, the one was exposed to the cats from the lady we rescue from). After much testing between the lady who we rescue cats for and our house, we have determined that Jasmine seems to be the one who has spread it. We are assuming that she is a carrier. She is a very healthy cat.Since one of the other cats at our rescue (in another house) tested positive, we took her in. We have many more cats there that have tested negative, but are getting retested in a couple of months. Today we just added a beautiful, positive Snow Shoe girl to our family. We have named her Tootsie. She was found 3 weeks ago by a friend of mine and was neglected/abused. My friend took her in and has saved her (had an exposed trachea and gangerine) and didn't think she would find anyone with a positive cat(s). Surprise! My friend has dealt with a lot of trauma/wounds, but has never seen anything like this. We look forward to providing for her and giving her the best care she could have. Thanks for letting me share. Lisa - Original Message - From: Frank Sue Koren fs...@roadrunner.com To: FeLV talk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 7:47 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Casper is positive My poor sweet Casper is FeLV+. So by making the decision to mix I have condemned him. He is anemic and he is going on Doxycyclne and Prednosolone. Has anyone ever heard of a cat that has anemia living longer then a few months? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Introduction
Will keep you and Kong in my prayers, for you to get a job and Kong to get better. Keep us posted on both fronts. Ashley Vanover ashley.vano...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, everyone, I have been actively reading this list for a month or so now, so I figured it was time I join. My cat, Kong, just turned 3 in October. I found him in a Wal-Mart parking lot when he was 12 weeks old. He was mostly feral, had been starved, most likely abused, and had a nasty case of lung worm. It was love at first sight. He had his initial kitten vaccinations, and was declared to be in good health once the lung worm cleared up. He has come such a long way in socialization--he is not a lap cat, and really doesn't even like to be petted for long periods of time, but I can tell he adores me in his special Kong way. He also has an incredibly intense bond with my 4 year old cat, Gonzo. I've never seen two unrelated cats take to each other they way they did. Around October 15, I noticed Kong wasn't acting like himself. I am a law student, and I am gone most of the day, so I kept an eye on him and told myself if he didn't perk up I'd take him to the vet (I was hoping he would perk up, because I am unemployed, live on a very limited student loan budget and live in an incredibly expensive area of Chicago--money is VERY tight). I noticed he wasn't eating or drinking much, and when I saw him wobble as he stood up, I knew he had to get to the vet right away. To make a long story shorter, he ended up at an Emergency treatment facility. He had many tests done, and 3 blood transfusions. He was diagnosed with FeLV, and non regenerative anemia. His ELISA was negative, but the IFV was positive. The emergency vet charged me over $5K and sent Kong home with me to die. A vet in my neighborhood is now treating him, and I have him on prednisolone and interferon. It's been over a month since his diagnosis, but he is hanging in there. He has a healthy appetite, and occasionally feels well enough to play with his favorite string. I call him my miracle cat, because according to every vet I've spoken to, he should be dead right now. He is my world, and I am going to continue to do every thing I possibly can for him. I've currently spent about $7K on his treatment, which is about the amount of loan money I will get for my spring semester starting in January (so I've got to find a paying job pronto, or I'm in big trouble) I'm terrified that he will require more transfusions or expensive treatments that I can't afford. So, that's Kong's story. I look forward to talking with you all and learning from your experience. --Ashley ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Introduction
Hi, everyone, I have been actively reading this list for a month or so now, so I figured it was time I join. My cat, Kong, just turned 3 in October. I found him in a Wal-Mart parking lot when he was 12 weeks old. He was mostly feral, had been starved, most likely abused, and had a nasty case of lung worm. It was love at first sight. He had his initial kitten vaccinations, and was declared to be in good health once the lung worm cleared up. He has come such a long way in socialization--he is not a lap cat, and really doesn't even like to be petted for long periods of time, but I can tell he adores me in his special Kong way. He also has an incredibly intense bond with my 4 year old cat, Gonzo. I've never seen two unrelated cats take to each other they way they did. Around October 15, I noticed Kong wasn't acting like himself. I am a law student, and I am gone most of the day, so I kept an eye on him and told myself if he didn't perk up I'd take him to the vet (I was hoping he would perk up, because I am unemployed, live on a very limited student loan budget and live in an incredibly expensive area of Chicago--money is VERY tight). I noticed he wasn't eating or drinking much, and when I saw him wobble as he stood up, I knew he had to get to the vet right away. To make a long story shorter, he ended up at an Emergency treatment facility. He had many tests done, and 3 blood transfusions. He was diagnosed with FeLV, and non regenerative anemia. His ELISA was negative, but the IFV was positive. The emergency vet charged me over $5K and sent Kong home with me to die. A vet in my neighborhood is now treating him, and I have him on prednisolone and interferon. It's been over a month since his diagnosis, but he is hanging in there. He has a healthy appetite, and occasionally feels well enough to play with his favorite string. I call him my miracle cat, because according to every vet I've spoken to, he should be dead right now. He is my world, and I am going to continue to do every thing I possibly can for him. I've currently spent about $7K on his treatment, which is about the amount of loan money I will get for my spring semester starting in January (so I've got to find a paying job pronto, or I'm in big trouble) I'm terrified that he will require more transfusions or expensive treatments that I can't afford. So, that's Kong's story. I look forward to talking with you all and learning from your experience. --Ashley ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Ashley, your story is so moving. Kong is a very lucky kitty. You are an angel for caring for him. I found my Gabby (or he found me) when I was visiting on a farm down south this summer. He simply showed up on Sunday morning underneath my car, meowing for attention. The vet thought he was about 10 weeks old. It had been a particularly difficult weekend -- arguing intensely with my then-husband -- I was at a low point in my life. Gabby -- short for Gabriel -- was like a miracle. He is the most loving, huggable kitten I've ever had. He tested FeLV+ but is now happy and healthy at 7 months. It is very likely someone dumped him in the country, as he was clearly not a feral and had been tamed to the point that he was perfectly content tucked into my bib overall while I worked on my computer. He would have very likely been killed by coyotes or hawks had he not found me. I've left my husband. It was as if Gabby showed up to help me. We need these guys in our lives, FeLV+ or not. Take care, and best of luck with law school. You'll make a terrific lawyer -- complete with heart and conscience. Verna Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 22:54:11 -0500 From: ashley.vano...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Introduction Hi, everyone, I have been actively reading this list for a month or so now, so I figured it was time I join. My cat, Kong, just turned 3 in October. I found him in a Wal-Mart parking lot when he was 12 weeks old. He was mostly feral, had been starved, most likely abused, and had a nasty case of lung worm. It was love at first sight. He had his initial kitten vaccinations, and was declared to be in good health once the lung worm cleared up. He has come such a long way in socialization--he is not a lap cat, and really doesn't even like to be petted for long periods of time, but I can tell he adores me in his special Kong way. He also has an incredibly intense bond with my 4 year old cat, Gonzo. I've never seen two unrelated cats take to each other they way they did. Around October 15, I noticed Kong wasn't acting like himself. I am a law student, and I am gone most of the day, so I kept an eye on him and told myself if he didn't perk up I'd take him to the vet (I was hoping he would perk up, because I am unemployed, live on a very limited student loan budget and live in an incredibly expensive area of Chicago--money is VERY tight). I noticed he wasn't eating or drinking much, and when I saw him wobble as he stood up, I knew he had to get to the vet right away. To make a long story shorter, he ended up at an Emergency treatment facility. He had many tests done, and 3 blood transfusions. He was diagnosed with FeLV, and non regenerative anemia. His ELISA was negative, but the IFV was positive. The emergency vet charged me over $5K and sent Kong home with me to die. A vet in my neighborhood is now treating him, and I have him on prednisolone and interferon. It's been over a month since his diagnosis, but he is hanging in there. He has a healthy appetite, and occasionally feels well enough to play with his favorite string. I call him my miracle cat, because according to every vet I've spoken to, he should be dead right now. He is my world, and I am going to continue to do every thing I possibly can for him. I've currently spent about $7K on his treatment, which is about the amount of loan money I will get for my spring semester starting in January (so I've got to find a paying job pronto, or I'm in big trouble) I'm terrified that he will require more transfusions or expensive treatments that I can't afford. So, that's Kong's story. I look forward to talking with you all and learning from your experience. --Ashley ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ Bing brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. http://www.bing.com/search?q=restaurantsform=MFESRPpubl=WLHMTAGcrea=TEXT_MFESRP_Local_MapsMenu_Resturants_1x1 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hello Joyce, You have a kind heart. It's hard to take in a felv cat and sounds like everyone in your world is going through alot. With respect to felv, it's true, stress is tough on these guys. There's alot of variables, opinions and conflicting ideas about the disease. Some cats do fine, some become carriers but do fine, and some die fast and young. Since yours is two years old already, that's a start since many of the young ones (usually less than a year) die from the disease early on. The older they are the better their chances of survival. General recommendations I think almost universally accepted are - feed high quality diets i.e. those high in protein, some good ones are evo and nature's variety instinct (be careful when initially switching to these foods mix with the old). Some people suggest using raw diets (these are excellent for healthy cats as it mimics their normal diet - good ones are nature's variety and stella and chewy's) - other people advice against it as there is the possibility of introducing bacteria into their gut and they fear infection. Personally from what I have read and seen I think raw diet is better. Next, try to reduce stress as much as possible - rescue remedy, a flower essence extract has been used in both humans and animals to reduce anxiety - it's easy to use and can be found in most herbal type stores. As far as him not leaving the crate, that's okay, small enclosed areas are often comforting to a scared cat, I wouldn't force him out, let him take his time. Routines are very welcome by most animals so try to maintain a routine if possible - this is less important for cats than dogs but still helpful. Medical treatment - this is a huge source of debate for most. Some say there is no treatment, give them as happy a life as possible until they pass on. Others say treat. The big treatments include interferon, imulan and acemannan. None are 100% effective from what I can tell. There are stories to support and refute each. I am currently looking to find a combination of things that might be effective. Other less talked about treatments include high dose vitamin c, NAC and vitamin E. Some other natural remedies and immune boosters (Wei Qui Booster) are out there. I have never heard of a cure, but I continue to search. With respect to the clavamox, I would be very suspicious. Prophylactic treatment with an antibiotic is risky. It can lead to GI problems (diarrhea and vomiting as you kill off the healthy normal bacterial flora of the gut and leave it wide open for bad bacteria), kidney and liver failure, and development of bacteria resistant to the antibiotic. If there are no symptoms of infection and have not been for some time I would seriously be cautious about this. If there are upper respiratory type symptoms; sneezing, clear runny nose and eyes, lysine can be very effective at treating this - this can be ordered online in a cat formula or purchased over the counter at walgreens or similar store. Lots of info, sorry. You will certainly get lots more advice. The individuals in this group are intelligent, well read, and caring cat lovers. May God bless you and good luck. Jenny On 11/10/09, stargazer 12 stargaze...@q.com wrote: A very good friend passed away her family didn't want the cat. Spicey has feline leukemia going on 2 years. I took the cat in have him in a spare room away from my cats. He has been on clavamox for about 1 yr per my friend. I am waiting on the vet to call to find out all the specifics. Is there any special food/vitamins/drugs to help? I know nothing of this disease. I have been during research says the cat should not be stressed. Unfortunately, Spicey has been stressed as his owner was in the hospital since last Tuesday. A neighbor was feeding him but he was hiding under the couch as he is very timid. And now he is in a strange place, so he has to be very stressed. It has been 3 hours he has not come out of his carrier, I do not know if he will be friendly with me but he has not hissed at all. I think I maybe taking on too much but in a small way I feel like I am keeping my friend alive too. Any ideas/suggestions/advice will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Joyce Spicey EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Jenny, thanks for providing this great information! Laurie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of jbero tds.net Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 12:30 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] introduction for Spicey Hello Joyce, You have a kind heart. It's hard to take in a felv cat and sounds like everyone in your world is going through alot. With respect to felv, it's true, stress is tough on these guys. There's alot of variables, opinions and conflicting ideas about the disease. Some cats do fine, some become carriers but do fine, and some die fast and young. Since yours is two years old already, that's a start since many of the young ones (usually less than a year) die from the disease early on. The older they are the better their chances of survival. General recommendations I think almost universally accepted are - feed high quality diets i.e. those high in protein, some good ones are evo and nature's variety instinct (be careful when initially switching to these foods mix with the old). Some people suggest using raw diets (these are excellent for healthy cats as it mimics their normal diet - good ones are nature's variety and stella and chewy's) - other people advice against it as there is the possibility of introducing bacteria into their gut and they fear infection. Personally from what I have read and seen I think raw diet is better. Next, try to reduce stress as much as possible - rescue remedy, a flower essence extract has been used in both humans and animals to reduce anxiety - it's easy to use and can be found in most herbal type stores. As far as him not leaving the crate, that's okay, small enclosed areas are often comforting to a scared cat, I wouldn't force him out, let him take his time. Routines are very welcome by most animals so try to maintain a routine if possible - this is less important for cats than dogs but still helpful. Medical treatment - this is a huge source of debate for most. Some say there is no treatment, give them as happy a life as possible until they pass on. Others say treat. The big treatments include interferon, imulan and acemannan. None are 100% effective from what I can tell. There are stories to support and refute each. I am currently looking to find a combination of things that might be effective. Other less talked about treatments include high dose vitamin c, NAC and vitamin E. Some other natural remedies and immune boosters (Wei Qui Booster) are out there. I have never heard of a cure, but I continue to search. With respect to the clavamox, I would be very suspicious. Prophylactic treatment with an antibiotic is risky. It can lead to GI problems (diarrhea and vomiting as you kill off the healthy normal bacterial flora of the gut and leave it wide open for bad bacteria), kidney and liver failure, and development of bacteria resistant to the antibiotic. If there are no symptoms of infection and have not been for some time I would seriously be cautious about this. If there are upper respiratory type symptoms; sneezing, clear runny nose and eyes, lysine can be very effective at treating this - this can be ordered online in a cat formula or purchased over the counter at walgreens or similar store. Lots of info, sorry. You will certainly get lots more advice. The individuals in this group are intelligent, well read, and caring cat lovers. May God bless you and good luck. Jenny On 11/10/09, stargazer 12 stargaze...@q.com wrote: A very good friend passed away her family didn't want the cat. Spicey has feline leukemia going on 2 years. I took the cat in have him in a spare room away from my cats. He has been on clavamox for about 1 yr per my friend. I am waiting on the vet to call to find out all the specifics. Is there any special food/vitamins/drugs to help? I know nothing of this disease. I have been during research says the cat should not be stressed. Unfortunately, Spicey has been stressed as his owner was in the hospital since last Tuesday. A neighbor was feeding him but he was hiding under the couch as he is very timid. And now he is in a strange place, so he has to be very stressed. It has been 3 hours he has not come out of his carrier, I do not know if he will be friendly with me but he has not hissed at all. I think I maybe taking on too much but in a small way I feel like I am keeping my friend alive too. Any ideas/suggestions/advice will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Joyce Spicey EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo
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Joyce, yes, you have taken on a bit of a job, but i think you will find it is worthwhile. i took in Annie 3 weeks after her owner went into hospice. she was locked up in her trailer all that time with the owner's sister coming once a day to put out food and change her litter box. she had no understanding of what happened, why her person left her alone and then the sister stuffed her into a box and brought her to our vet. then i put her in my carrier and brought her home and suddenly instead of being an only cat, she was one of 2. i tried keeping her in one room, but no one got any sleep. so i let her out. we had some hissing, screaming fits, and she spent many dys and night in the basement, but she eventually came around and now is a very sweet, healthy felv positive cat. i have since brought in more cats (6 now) and each time we have to restablish who is top cat, but everyone has survived and now we are fairly comfortable with our roommates. It just takes time for her to learn tht she can trust you and to work out her place in the family. be patient, love on her every time you get a chance. dorlis stargazer 12 stargaze...@q.com wrote: A very good friend passed away her family didn't want the cat. Spicey has feline leukemia going on 2 years. I took the cat in have him in a spare room away from my cats. He has been on clavamox for about 1 yr per my friend. I am waiting on the vet to call to find out all the specifics. Is there any special food/vitamins/drugs to help? I know nothing of this disease. I have been during research says the cat should not be stressed. Unfortunately, Spicey has been stressed as his owner was in the hospital since last Tuesday. A neighbor was feeding him but he was hiding under the couch as he is very timid. And now he is in a strange place, so he has to be very stressed. It has been 3 hours he has not come out of his carrier, I do not know if he will be friendly with me but he has not hissed at all. I think I maybe taking on too much but in a small way I feel like I am keeping my friend alive too. Any ideas/suggestions/advice will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Joyce Spicey EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] introduction for Spicey
A very good friend passed away her family didn't want the cat. Spicey has feline leukemia going on 2 years. I took the cat in have him in a spare room away from my cats. He has been on clavamox for about 1 yr per my friend. I am waiting on the vet to call to find out all the specifics. Is there any special food/vitamins/drugs to help? I know nothing of this disease. I have been during research says the cat should not be stressed. Unfortunately, Spicey has been stressed as his owner was in the hospital since last Tuesday. A neighbor was feeding him but he was hiding under the couch as he is very timid. And now he is in a strange place, so he has to be very stressed. It has been 3 hours he has not come out of his carrier, I do not know if he will be friendly with me but he has not hissed at all. I think I maybe taking on too much but in a small way I feel like I am keeping my friend alive too. Any ideas/suggestions/advice will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Joyce Spicey EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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The wonderful people here will give you great information...all I can tell you is to have patienceit must be extremely stressful for poor Spicey. Give him time and a safe place to hide until he is ready to deal with the world on his own terms. My heart breakes for him losing his mom...and I bless you for taking this baby into your home (and hopefully your heart)this disease is cruel and unforgiving. I wish you all luck possible. Debbie (COL) Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle Philo From: stargaze...@q.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:38:17 + Subject: [Felvtalk] introduction for Spicey A very good friend passed away her family didn't want the cat. Spicey has feline leukemia going on 2 years. I took the cat in have him in a spare room away from my cats. He has been on clavamox for about 1 yr per my friend. I am waiting on the vet to call to find out all the specifics. Is there any special food/vitamins/drugs to help? I know nothing of this disease. I have been during research says the cat should not be stressed. Unfortunately, Spicey has been stressed as his owner was in the hospital since last Tuesday. A neighbor was feeding him but he was hiding under the couch as he is very timid. And now he is in a strange place, so he has to be very stressed. It has been 3 hours he has not come out of his carrier, I do not know if he will be friendly with me but he has not hissed at all. I think I maybe taking on too much but in a small way I feel like I am keeping my friend alive too. Any ideas/suggestions/advice will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Joyce Spicey EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ Keep your friends updated—even when you’re not signed in. http://www.microsoft.com/middleeast/windows/windowslive/see-it-in-action/social-network-basics.aspx?ocid=PID23461::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-xm:SI_SB_5:092010 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I would be a bit concerned about why he has been on clavamox for a year. That is a LONG time to be on any antibiotic. A decent quality food, as little stress as possible -not much you can do about the situation - and lots of love and careful attention to his health. Many of us give various supplements in hopes it will help keep the immune system strong. I don't think there is any hard data that most of what we give is not more for us than it is for the cat. I'm sure you will hear about a lot of different supplements, personally, I use Moducare. You are a good person for taking in this kitty. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of stargazer 12 Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 3:38 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] introduction for Spicey A very good friend passed away her family didn't want the cat. Spicey has feline leukemia going on 2 years. I took the cat in have him in a spare room away from my cats. He has been on clavamox for about 1 yr per my friend. I am waiting on the vet to call to find out all the specifics. Is there any special food/vitamins/drugs to help? I know nothing of this disease. I have been during research says the cat should not be stressed. Unfortunately, Spicey has been stressed as his owner was in the hospital since last Tuesday. A neighbor was feeding him but he was hiding under the couch as he is very timid. And now he is in a strange place, so he has to be very stressed. It has been 3 hours he has not come out of his carrier, I do not know if he will be friendly with me but he has not hissed at all. I think I maybe taking on too much but in a small way I feel like I am keeping my friend alive too. Any ideas/suggestions/advice will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Joyce Spicey ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] introduction for Spicey
Try Rescue Remedy in Spicey's water and the water of your other cats. Also add Willow (another Bach Remedy) and Feliway spray. I've tried the room atomizer but don't care for it. I have had wonderful luck with the Feliway spray and so have my vets. Don't press Spicey. The Royal Princess Kitty Katt (FeLV-) took about three months to come out from under the couch and be comfortable. I slept on the floor most of that time to reduce my threat to her (size, ability to move etc). Do the best you can to relax yourself. Your stress, which is very understandable, transfers to all the cats. Give them all the best food you can and follow your heart on supplements. The first stop I made after determining that Dixie Louise Doodle Katt, JP was going to stay in this world was to a wonderful holistic vet named Betty Boswell. She worked with my regular vets, Middletown Animal Clinic, and Dixie lived three wonderful, healthy years. She had everything possible during her life.a big bed, doll, travel, love.but there was stress too. Dixie was a throw-away that showed up in the pine thicket behind my Mom's. She was several years old then and, from the looks of her, I suspect she was not planning on staying in this world. Love, which was mutual, seems to have turned things around. Most of all, don't count the days. Throw the calender away. No one knows how long they will live so just live in the moment. Honest. It is difficult but you have taken the first step. Listen to the people on this list and follow your heart. Not everyone agrees and not everything works for everyone. The knowledge and comfort here is great. Blessings to you for caring for this little one. On Nov 10, 2009, at 3:38 PM, stargazer 12 wrote: A very good friend passed away her family didn't want the cat. Spicey has feline leukemia going on 2 years. I took the cat in have him in a spare room away from my cats. He has been on clavamox for about 1 yr per my friend. I am waiting on the vet to call to find out all the specifics. Is there any special food/vitamins/drugs to help? I know nothing of this disease. I have been during research says the cat should not be stressed. Unfortunately, Spicey has been stressed as his owner was in the hospital since last Tuesday. A neighbor was feeding him but he was hiding under the couch as he is very timid. And now he is in a strange place, so he has to be very stressed. It has been 3 hours he has not come out of his carrier, I do not know if he will be friendly with me but he has not hissed at all. I think I maybe taking on too much but in a small way I feel like I am keeping my friend alive too. Any ideas/suggestions/advice will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Joyce Spicey EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Joyce, you are an angel for giving Spicey a home - doing this for both Spicey and your friend. Do you have something of your friends that you can put in the room with him so something smells familiar? That might comfort him if you can do that. Does he have a good hiding place available in the room where you have him? Access to a window to look out? He will explore...he may wait until no one is around. He is getting accustomed to the smells and sounds of your house. Clavamox for a year is a long time. Wonder if you might be able to find another vet who knows about FeLV. I had two FeLV+ cats who lived to ages 16 and 22 years of age. Does he have symptoms - sneezing, runny eyes, snotty nose, diarrhea? I believe you will be blessed by this kitty in the same way that he has been blessed by you. Feed him the best food you can afford. Preferably a good canned food. My FeLV kitties weren't on any treatments or supplements. We did use interferon with another FeLV+ cat my niece rescued. She is the picture of health. She was quite sick when rescued (as an adult) but is maintaining well on interferon. We did have her on antibiotics for a brief time and pain killers and prednisone for about 1 1/2 years before transitioning to just interferon. Laurie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of stargazer 12 Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 3:38 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] introduction for Spicey A very good friend passed away her family didn't want the cat. Spicey has feline leukemia going on 2 years. I took the cat in have him in a spare room away from my cats. He has been on clavamox for about 1 yr per my friend. I am waiting on the vet to call to find out all the specifics. Is there any special food/vitamins/drugs to help? I know nothing of this disease. I have been during research says the cat should not be stressed. Unfortunately, Spicey has been stressed as his owner was in the hospital since last Tuesday. A neighbor was feeding him but he was hiding under the couch as he is very timid. And now he is in a strange place, so he has to be very stressed. It has been 3 hours he has not come out of his carrier, I do not know if he will be friendly with me but he has not hissed at all. I think I maybe taking on too much but in a small way I feel like I am keeping my friend alive too. Any ideas/suggestions/advice will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Joyce Spicey EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] introduction for Spicey
Another thought: Watch Spicey's teeth and gums. Not right now obviously but when things settle down. Yes, you can get a cat used to having its mouth opened. Good dental practices are important. Dixie had stomatitis and we treated it with Petzlife Brush Away (put a little in the cat's mouth and he will spread it around). Regular gum/ teeth checks will help you catch any anemia problems. They hit Dixie suddenly. On Nov 10, 2009, at 4:41 PM, Laurieskatz wrote: Joyce, you are an angel for giving Spicey a home - doing this for both Spicey and your friend. Do you have something of your friends that you can put in the room with him so something smells familiar? That might comfort him if you can do that. Does he have a good hiding place available in the room where you have him? Access to a window to look out? He will explore...he may wait until no one is around. He is getting accustomed to the smells and sounds of your house. Clavamox for a year is a long time. Wonder if you might be able to find another vet who knows about FeLV. I had two FeLV+ cats who lived to ages 16 and 22 years of age. Does he have symptoms - sneezing, runny eyes, snotty nose, diarrhea? I believe you will be blessed by this kitty in the same way that he has been blessed by you. Feed him the best food you can afford. Preferably a good canned food. My FeLV kitties weren't on any treatments or supplements. We did use interferon with another FeLV+ cat my niece rescued. She is the picture of health. She was quite sick when rescued (as an adult) but is maintaining well on interferon. We did have her on antibiotics for a brief time and pain killers and prednisone for about 1 1/2 years before transitioning to just interferon. Laurie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of stargazer 12 Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 3:38 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] introduction for Spicey A very good friend passed away her family didn't want the cat. Spicey has feline leukemia going on 2 years. I took the cat in have him in a spare room away from my cats. He has been on clavamox for about 1 yr per my friend. I am waiting on the vet to call to find out all the specifics. Is there any special food/vitamins/drugs to help? I know nothing of this disease. I have been during research says the cat should not be stressed. Unfortunately, Spicey has been stressed as his owner was in the hospital since last Tuesday. A neighbor was feeding him but he was hiding under the couch as he is very timid. And now he is in a strange place, so he has to be very stressed. It has been 3 hours he has not come out of his carrier, I do not know if he will be friendly with me but he has not hissed at all. I think I maybe taking on too much but in a small way I feel like I am keeping my friend alive too. Any ideas/suggestions/advice will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Joyce Spicey EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Subject: Introduction
traditionalc...@gmail.com is a place you can post about breeder experiences if the breeder does not cooperate with you or if you want to make sure other buyers know about the FeLV. Laurie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of patricia.a.elk...@gsk.com Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 12:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Subject: Introduction You are certainly in the right place to learn about caring for your FELV+ cats. But I'd like to suggest that it is really important to follow through with the breeder that you bought these kittens from. I'm not quite sure the best path to follow in doing that though. Maybe you have already contacted him or her. It seems critical to me that the breeder not sell more infected kittens to people that may be less compassionate than you are and who may drop them off at a shelter. And also that the breeder not dump the kittens somewhere outside or leave them at a shelter herself. Having been a dedicated shelter volunteer, my perspective is that it often just spreads the tragedy for contagious kittens and cats to go into a shelter environment. And of course, the breeder REALLY needs to contact other customers whose cats may be infected to stop the spread of the disease in their homes.There really is no good way for a breeder to go forward from something like this and I imagine there may be some who would just like to ignore the whole issue and hope it goes away. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Introduction
Hello..I'm new to the group. I am a bit embarrassed about posting and asking for your expertise. Each of the postings I have read seems to indicate you are all actively involved in opening your hearts and homes to rescue kittens, and my little FeLV+ family was recently purchased from a breeder. My husband and I have had rescue cats and kittens all our lives, and recently we fell in love with two Bengal kittens, brother and sister, from a local breeder. We purchased them and once home, realized we had major socialization issues to overcome, new to us. We have no other pets. Once having (almost) mastered that, with a great sense of accomplishment we took them to our office vet (our regular vet has a housecall practice) for their spaying and neutering procedures. During the pre-op blood work, it was discovered they are both FeLV positive. We were devastated, as my only experience with the disease quite some time ago was not at all positive. A lot has taken place in the field since that earlier experience, and I'm trying to educate myself on this disease, so please correct me where I don't understand what I'm talking about. The first test (is this what is meant by the snap test?), indicated the presence of FeLV, and a subsequent test sent out to a lab on the blood serum also indicated the presence of FeLV. An additional blood test determined the disease is not in the bone marrow of either kitten at this time. They will be 8 months old mid-November. I began a web search which brought me to this group, and also introduced me to LTCI, which we started last weekend. At this point in time, they are in generally excellent health, very energetic, and have good appetites (the male will only eat RadCat organic raw turkey, the female is eating Wellness wet.both eat Wellness kitten kibble). They both have indications of gum disease, something I understand is not unusual with this diagnosis, and the male very infrequently has a cough that sounds like a hairball, but is not productive. An X-ray during his neuter procedure indicated nothing unusual, but it concerns me, primarily now because I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop since the FeLV+ diagnosis. Given the background above, in addition to the LTCI, would any of you suggest other steps we might take to assure these little kittens stay as healthy as possible for as long as possible? Many thanks. Sara F Kasteleyn CIC Research, Inc. 8361 Vickers Street San Diego, CA 92111 T - 858-637-4000 F - 858-637-4040 skastel...@cicresearch.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Introduction
You will receive wonderful advise from this boardmuch better than I can give you. My story is that a wonderful throw-away showed up at Mom's. Due to some problems (read two dead cats at two different vets) in a very short time, I took the little girl to my personal vets (Middletown Animal Clinic) in Louisville, KY to be spayed and taken to my farm. Dixie, as she soon became known, was FELV+. Greg Bishop called with the blood test results and you could hear his heart in his mouth. I knew nothing about FELV but he and Steve Koehler talked me through it. We came up with a way to keep Dixie that involved me sleeping in a garage with her at my mother's, then moving her to a single wide then to a farm house + a home in Louisville. She was my darling for three years, healthy and happy until a little bite before she left this world and broke my heart. She had everything..All of this is to say, don't listen to the people who tell you there is no quality of lifeI promise you, no cat lived the life Dixie lived. Don't watch a calendarwe all start dying the minute we take our first breath and no one knows when we will leave this world.Don't grieve..you have wonderful lives in your hands. Learn from them. Accept them. Let them give to you and, in turn, give to them. I give credit to my holistic vet, Betty Boswell, for helping keep Dixie health and happy. Between Middletown Animal Clinic and Betty I had the best of all support. If you have a holistic vet, please contact her/him for support. For me, a mixture of styles work. You have to chose. Dixie left this world in June 2008. In July, over a period of two weeks, Dixie sent me two very healthy kittens from the pine thicket she came from. Copper and Thomas Cougar live with me now and have taken my grief and turned it to joy. Listen to the people on this board who have faced this time and time again. I have once. I don't ever want to again because it is an awful thing. However, had either boy been FELV+ or if any future kitten/cat comes my way with this problem...well, we'll get through it together. On Nov 4, 2009, at 5:00 PM, Sara Kasteleyn wrote: Hello..I'm new to the group. I am a bit embarrassed about posting and asking for your expertise. Each of the postings I have read seems to indicate you are all actively involved in opening your hearts and homes to rescue kittens, and my little FeLV+ family was recently purchased from a breeder. My husband and I have had rescue cats and kittens all our lives, and recently we fell in love with two Bengal kittens, brother and sister, from a local breeder. We purchased them and once home, realized we had major socialization issues to overcome, new to us. We have no other pets. Once having (almost) mastered that, with a great sense of accomplishment we took them to our office vet (our regular vet has a housecall practice) for their spaying and neutering procedures. During the pre-op blood work, it was discovered they are both FeLV positive. We were devastated, as my only experience with the disease quite some time ago was not at all positive. A lot has taken place in the field since that earlier experience, and I'm trying to educate myself on this disease, so please correct me where I don't understand what I'm talking about. The first test (is this what is meant by the snap test?), indicated the presence of FeLV, and a subsequent test sent out to a lab on the blood serum also indicated the presence of FeLV. An additional blood test determined the disease is not in the bone marrow of either kitten at this time. They will be 8 months old mid-November. I began a web search which brought me to this group, and also introduced me to LTCI, which we started last weekend. At this point in time, they are in generally excellent health, very energetic, and have good appetites (the male will only eat RadCat organic raw turkey, the female is eating Wellness wet.both eat Wellness kitten kibble). They both have indications of gum disease, something I understand is not unusual with this diagnosis, and the male very infrequently has a cough that sounds like a hairball, but is not productive. An X-ray during his neuter procedure indicated nothing unusual, but it concerns me, primarily now because I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop since the FeLV+ diagnosis. Given the background above, in addition to the LTCI, would any of you suggest other steps we might take to assure these little kittens stay as healthy as possible for as long as possible? Many thanks. Sara F Kasteleyn CIC Research, Inc. 8361 Vickers Street San Diego, CA 92111 T - 858-637-4000 F - 858-637-4040 skastel...@cicresearch.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Introduction
Hello Sara, just about 1 year ago, I was new to this group because a new cat I adopted thru my vet turned out to be felv positive. I am lucky, my vet said I had 2 choices, put her to sleep or keep her and deal with whatever came up. He also told me that many felv pos. cats live long healthy lives. So, I opted to keep Annie. Her owner was dying of liver cancer and she had always been an only, indoor cat. She had been left alone in Kathy's trailer for 3 weeks with her only human contct being the sister coming and puting out food and changing her litter box. She was extremely stressed, frightened and confused. When she came home with me, she had to get used to being with another cat which was a probelm because she is an alpha female and had been a spoiled, only cat all 4 years of her life. We did the 2nd test right away and then waited 6 months to retest because we both were hoping that once the stress was out of her life, she might be negative. No such luck. No special treatment for her, she now has 4 new sisters and 1 brother. 2 of the new girls are also alpha, but slowly but surely, they are working out their places in my house. Annie is still positive as is the last girl to come to me, Nitnoy (Thai for little one) who had her tail bitten off by a raccoon. Both of them are fat, sassy, loving and healthy cats. The other girls and Bob are all current on their felv vaccinations. They are all together. I think the most important thing is to keep the stress at a minimum, provide good quality food, shelter and lots of love. My pride takes turns sleeping on my bed and sitting on my lap. The only special thing I do is give Enisyl-F Lysine Treats which help boost the immune system. The taste good and they all like them so it makes it easy to medicate them. Other than that, i keep a close eye on them and if it looks like something may be wrong, off to the vet we go. My only experience with death of my babies, is due to old age, hyper thyroid and stroke. I had 6 boys and 1 girl. Shali and Tigger died from thyroid at 13 and 14. Shadow and Shorty died from stroke at 19. Snuggles from kidney infection at 19. Shalimar was hit by a car and Tut died of grief after he raised their kittens (Shali and Tigger) who were 1 week old when she was killed. I bottle fed them . Whether they are young or old when they cross the bridge, it hurts the same. I wasn't going to take on so many ever again, but one by one they came to me, needing someone to love them and I couldn't say no. So, no matter when Annie and Nitnoy cross over, they will get all the love and care I can give them in the meantime. In short, don't let someone else make the decision to keep or let go for you. God has put them in your safe keeping for a purpose and He will let you know when to let them go. Dorlis Sara Kasteleyn skastel...@cicresearch.com wrote: Hello..I'm new to the group. I am a bit embarrassed about posting and asking for your expertise. Each of the postings I have read seems to indicate you are all actively involved in opening your hearts and homes to rescue kittens, and my little FeLV+ family was recently purchased from a breeder. My husband and I have had rescue cats and kittens all our lives, and recently we fell in love with two Bengal kittens, brother and sister, from a local breeder. We purchased them and once home, realized we had major socialization issues to overcome, new to us. We have no other pets. Once having (almost) mastered that, with a great sense of accomplishment we took them to our office vet (our regular vet has a housecall practice) for their spaying and neutering procedures. During the pre-op blood work, it was discovered they are both FeLV positive. We were devastated, as my only experience with the disease quite some time ago was not at all positive. A lot has taken place in the field since that earlier experience, and I'm trying to educate myself on this disease, so please correct me where I don't understand what I'm talking about. The first test (is this what is meant by the snap test?), indicated the presence of FeLV, and a subsequent test sent out to a lab on the blood serum also indicated the presence of FeLV. An additional blood test determined the disease is not in the bone marrow of either kitten at this time. They will be 8 months old mid-November. I began a web search which brought me to this group, and also introduced me to LTCI, which we started last weekend. At this point in time, they are in generally excellent health, very energetic, and have good appetites (the male will only eat RadCat organic raw turkey, the female is eating Wellness wet.both eat Wellness kitten kibble). They both have indications of gum disease, something I understand is not unusual with this diagnosis, and the male very infrequently has a cough that sounds like a hairball, but is not productive. An X-ray during his
Re: [Felvtalk] Introduction - Rebecca
Iva, you have already received some great advise. All any of us can do is relate our experiences. I've had 6 indoor positive kitties mixed with my negatives who had their FeLV vaccine and booster. My negatives get an annual FeLV vaccine. My positives are rescues born with FeLV. I've lost 3 before they were a yr old but the other 3 are 1 and 2 yrs old. I also have a colony I'm TNRing where at least 2 of the females are positive. It's been 2 yrs since I have them spayed and they are still doing OK in the colony. I'm glad to read that you have reconsidered PTS. You don't need to give your vet any research as to why you want to keep Becca. She is your kitty and it is your decision. If the vet won't support your decision then find another vet. Sharyl --- On Mon, 8/3/09, Iva Lark Emily Seaberg melleph...@sbcglobal.net wrote: From: Iva Lark Emily Seaberg melleph...@sbcglobal.net Subject: [Felvtalk] Introduction - Rebecca To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, August 3, 2009, 12:50 AM My 2 year old cat Rebecca (Becca) was diagnosed with FeLV on Friday. A brief history: I adopted Becca, along with another kitty Katherine, from PetSmart when they were a few months old. They had both been tested FeLV negative. But I did notice that a week after I brought them home Becca developed large lymph nodes around her neck that disappeared in a few weeks. I thought nothing of it and thought maybe she was fighting something off. They both came home with ringworm so the vet and I assumed Becca was just reacting to it pretty badly. Almost a year later I adopted two kittens (Kiera and Casanova) from my neighbor, both FeLV negative. Shortly after I brought them home and around the time they both got spayed/neutered at the SPCA one of them (Kiera) developed the same swollen lymph nodes. Well, a few months ago Kiera was diagnosed with FeLV and was in the end stages. She was only 11 months old. I had no choice but to put her to sleep. By the time she was diagnosed she already had several large tumors in her body, had stopped eating, and one of the tumors was blocking her intestines. There was no hope for her. It was extremely hard to take as she was the only furbaby I had really bonded with at that point. Well the vet said to wait a few months and test my remaining kitties. We still have no idea how they got it, but I wonder if it happened at PetSmart or the SPCA? They are all indoor cats and have never been exposed to other kitties outside of those two experiences. Anyway, we tested my three remaining cats and one was positive. She has no symptoms aside from some bad gum inflammation. She's fairly healthy and extremely active. The vet recommended I put her to sleep to protect the other cats. I initially agreed and the appt is scheduled for tomorrow. However, after researching and looking around it appears that 1. If the other cats haven't caught it by now chances are they might not. The sick kitty is 2 years old, the healthy kitties are 2 years old and 15 months old. 2. I had the healthy kitties vaccinated against FeLV on the vet's recommendation and think that after they get their boosters the odds might be even slimmer of them getting infected. For now I have isolated Becca to my master bedroom/bathroom. I was planning on releasing her in three weeks after the other two kitties get their booster shots. Am I making the right call? If I put Becca to sleep and the others eventually test positve then I will be crushed! But I don't want to continue to risk them either. It looks like based on my research it is rare for adult cats to get FeLV, and if they have already been exposed for so long (over a year) and are currently negative then aren't the odds good? I have to call the vet tomorrow to cancel the euthanasia and ask for some antibiotics instead, and I want to have some good reasons to give her for my change of heart, along with some good documentation she can research. I figure I can always use the next three weeks to think the decision through but if I put her down I can't take it back. I don't know how much longer I'd have with her... but doing this when she is so healthy just doesn't sit with me. I should add, I got these four kitties to replace my last kitty, who died from Renal Failure. He was given a few months to live and lived for three years under my care. I'm not afraid of a little work if it means quality of life for her and more time together with minimal risk to my other angels. Help?? Iva ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Introduction - Rebecca
Hi, Iva -- I'm so sorry you lost little Kiera. But that sounds like the right decision to make for her. But for Becca -- you are absolutely right not to kill a healthy cat. You've taken the proper precautions with the other kitties. Others on this list have discovered too late that one of their cats is positive, and still their healthy cats have not caught FeLV. You're right, an FeLV+ cat is not a hotbed of infection to healthy, vaccinated adult cats. I think probably a lot of people on this list will advise you to run screaming from a vet who advises euthanizing a cat just in case. You don't have to justify your decision not to kill Becca to anyone including the vet. If she's not good with that, and will not use this as an opportunity to get up to speed on FeLV (and continues to tell people to kill healthy cats!) you should really look for another vet. You can call around and ask the vets' philosophy on FeLV. Good luck with Becca. I know you'll get lots of good advice on this list. Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Iva Lark Emily Seaberg Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 11:51 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Introduction - Rebecca My 2 year old cat Rebecca (Becca) was diagnosed with FeLV on Friday. A brief history: I adopted Becca, along with another kitty Katherine, from PetSmart when they were a few months old. They had both been tested FeLV negative. But I did notice that a week after I brought them home Becca developed large lymph nodes around her neck that disappeared in a few weeks. I thought nothing of it and thought maybe she was fighting something off. They both came home with ringworm so the vet and I assumed Becca was just reacting to it pretty badly. Almost a year later I adopted two kittens (Kiera and Casanova) from my neighbor, both FeLV negative. Shortly after I brought them home and around the time they both got spayed/neutered at the SPCA one of them (Kiera) developed the same swollen lymph nodes. Well, a few months ago Kiera was diagnosed with FeLV and was in the end stages. She was only 11 months old. I had no choice but to put her to sleep. By the time she was diagnosed she already had several large tumors in her body, had stopped eating, and one of the tumors was blocking her intestines. There was no hope for her. It was extremely hard to take as she was the only furbaby I had really bonded with at that point. Well the vet said to wait a few months and test my remaining kitties. We still have no idea how they got it, but I wonder if it happened at PetSmart or the SPCA? They are all indoor cats and have never been exposed to other kitties outside of those two experiences. Anyway, we tested my three remaining cats and one was positive. She has no symptoms aside from some bad gum inflammation. She's fairly healthy and extremely active. The vet recommended I put her to sleep to protect the other cats. I initially agreed and the appt is scheduled for tomorrow. However, after researching and looking around it appears that 1. If the other cats haven't caught it by now chances are they might not. The sick kitty is 2 years old, the healthy kitties are 2 years old and 15 months old. 2. I had the healthy kitties vaccinated against FeLV on the vet's recommendation and think that after they get their boosters the odds might be even slimmer of them getting infected. For now I have isolated Becca to my master bedroom/bathroom. I was planning on releasing her in three weeks after the other two kitties get their booster shots. Am I making the right call? If I put Becca to sleep and the others eventually test positve then I will be crushed! But I don't want to continue to risk them either. It looks like based on my research it is rare for adult cats to get FeLV, and if they have already been exposed for so long (over a year) and are currently negative then aren't the odds good? I have to call the vet tomorrow to cancel the euthanasia and ask for some antibiotics instead, and I want to have some good reasons to give her for my change of heart, along with some good documentation she can research. I figure I can always use the next three weeks to think the decision through but if I put her down I can't take it back. I don't know how much longer I'd have with her... but doing this when she is so healthy just doesn't sit with me. I should add, I got these four kitties to replace my last kitty, who died from Renal Failure. He was given a few months to live and lived for three years under my care. I'm not afraid of a little work if it means quality of life for her and more time together with minimal risk to my other angels. Help?? Iva ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk
Re: [Felvtalk] Introduction - Rebecca
regardless of how becca became infected, everyone in the house has already been exposed to her by now, and euthanizing her is like the proverbial shutting the barn door. as others have said, adults cats have a very high level of immunity to the virus--suggest that your vet read http://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/index.jsp?cfile=htm/bc/57000.htmword=feline%2cleukemia for the 70% stat. additionally, NEW research is showing that even in those cats who do continue to test positive, some of them never progress to becoming systematic, and are not actually contagious. (that info was given in a petsmart webinar late last year, and i haven't been able to find the actual citation.) also, as mentioned, there is NO evidence of a vaccinated TRUE negative (ie, one tested twice, with enough time in between tests for the virus to actually have taken hold) ever to become positive from living with a TRUE positive (likewise, one tested twice, to make sure that it doesn't throw the virus off.) there are many folks who have had vaccinated negatives living with positives for many years, with NO infection. everyone, and everything living is gonna die at some point--and when we start killing off things because they MIGHT get sick at some point, it doesn't bode well for any living thing. it's awful to find out that one has inadvertently exposed one of our furkids to an illness, but once it's happened, it's happened--i know i don't stop loving the positive one glad you found us. -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Introduction - Rebecca
-+ Rebecca, Thank you for this valuable information. Susan -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaryChristine Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 2:03 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Introduction - Rebecca regardless of how becca became infected, everyone in the house has already been exposed to her by now, and euthanizing her is like the proverbial shutting the barn door. as others have said, adults cats have a very high level of immunity to the virus--suggest that your vet read http://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/index.jsp?cfile=htm/bc/57000.htmword= feline%2cleukemia for the 70% stat. additionally, NEW research is showing that even in those cats who do continue to test positive, some of them never progress to becoming systematic, and are not actually contagious. (that info was given in a petsmart webinar late last year, and i haven't been able to find the actual citation.) also, as mentioned, there is NO evidence of a vaccinated TRUE negative (ie, one tested twice, with enough time in between tests for the virus to actually have taken hold) ever to become positive from living with a TRUE positive (likewise, one tested twice, to make sure that it doesn't throw the virus off.) there are many folks who have had vaccinated negatives living with positives for many years, with NO infection. everyone, and everything living is gonna die at some point--and when we start killing off things because they MIGHT get sick at some point, it doesn't bode well for any living thing. it's awful to find out that one has inadvertently exposed one of our furkids to an illness, but once it's happened, it's happened--i know i don't stop loving the positive one glad you found us. -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Introduction - Rebecca
My 2 year old cat Rebecca (Becca) was diagnosed with FeLV on Friday. A brief history: I adopted Becca, along with another kitty Katherine, from PetSmart when they were a few months old. They had both been tested FeLV negative. But I did notice that a week after I brought them home Becca developed large lymph nodes around her neck that disappeared in a few weeks. I thought nothing of it and thought maybe she was fighting something off. They both came home with ringworm so the vet and I assumed Becca was just reacting to it pretty badly. Almost a year later I adopted two kittens (Kiera and Casanova) from my neighbor, both FeLV negative. Shortly after I brought them home and around the time they both got spayed/neutered at the SPCA one of them (Kiera) developed the same swollen lymph nodes. Well, a few months ago Kiera was diagnosed with FeLV and was in the end stages. She was only 11 months old. I had no choice but to put her to sleep. By the time she was diagnosed she already had several large tumors in her body, had stopped eating, and one of the tumors was blocking her intestines. There was no hope for her. It was extremely hard to take as she was the only furbaby I had really bonded with at that point. Well the vet said to wait a few months and test my remaining kitties. We still have no idea how they got it, but I wonder if it happened at PetSmart or the SPCA? They are all indoor cats and have never been exposed to other kitties outside of those two experiences. Anyway, we tested my three remaining cats and one was positive. She has no symptoms aside from some bad gum inflammation. She's fairly healthy and extremely active. The vet recommended I put her to sleep to protect the other cats. I initially agreed and the appt is scheduled for tomorrow. However, after researching and looking around it appears that 1. If the other cats haven't caught it by now chances are they might not. The sick kitty is 2 years old, the healthy kitties are 2 years old and 15 months old. 2. I had the healthy kitties vaccinated against FeLV on the vet's recommendation and think that after they get their boosters the odds might be even slimmer of them getting infected. For now I have isolated Becca to my master bedroom/bathroom. I was planning on releasing her in three weeks after the other two kitties get their booster shots. Am I making the right call? If I put Becca to sleep and the others eventually test positve then I will be crushed! But I don't want to continue to risk them either. It looks like based on my research it is rare for adult cats to get FeLV, and if they have already been exposed for so long (over a year) and are currently negative then aren't the odds good? I have to call the vet tomorrow to cancel the euthanasia and ask for some antibiotics instead, and I want to have some good reasons to give her for my change of heart, along with some good documentation she can research. I figure I can always use the next three weeks to think the decision through but if I put her down I can't take it back. I don't know how much longer I'd have with her... but doing this when she is so healthy just doesn't sit with me. I should add, I got these four kitties to replace my last kitty, who died from Renal Failure. He was given a few months to live and lived for three years under my care. I'm not afraid of a little work if it means quality of life for her and more time together with minimal risk to my other angels. Help?? Iva ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Introduction - Rebecca
Many cats are naturally immune to FeLV. We each have to make our own decisions, but if I were in your situation I would not put Becca down and would let her continue to live with the others. I think it quite unlikely - especially after being vaccinated - that they would contract FeLV. Of course, there are no guarantees. Also, you would have to consider very carefully if you were going to bring another kitty into the house while you still have Becca. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Iva Lark Emily Seaberg Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 11:51 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Introduction - Rebecca My 2 year old cat Rebecca (Becca) was diagnosed with FeLV on Friday. A brief history: I adopted Becca, along with another kitty Katherine, from PetSmart when they were a few months old. They had both been tested FeLV negative. But I did notice that a week after I brought them home Becca developed large lymph nodes around her neck that disappeared in a few weeks. I thought nothing of it and thought maybe she was fighting something off. They both came home with ringworm so the vet and I assumed Becca was just reacting to it pretty badly. Almost a year later I adopted two kittens (Kiera and Casanova) from my neighbor, both FeLV negative. Shortly after I brought them home and around the time they both got spayed/neutered at the SPCA one of them (Kiera) developed the same swollen lymph nodes. Well, a few months ago Kiera was diagnosed with FeLV and was in the end stages. She was only 11 months old. I had no choice but to put her to sleep. By the time she was diagnosed she already had several large tumors in her body, had stopped eating, and one of the tumors was blocking her intestines. There was no hope for her. It was extremely hard to take as she was the only furbaby I had really bonded with at that point. Well the vet said to wait a few months and test my remaining kitties. We still have no idea how they got it, but I wonder if it happened at PetSmart or the SPCA? They are all indoor cats and have never been exposed to other kitties outside of those two experiences. Anyway, we tested my three remaining cats and one was positive. She has no symptoms aside from some bad gum inflammation. She's fairly healthy and extremely active. The vet recommended I put her to sleep to protect the other cats. I initially agreed and the appt is scheduled for tomorrow. However, after researching and looking around it appears that 1. If the other cats haven't caught it by now chances are they might not. The sick kitty is 2 years old, the healthy kitties are 2 years old and 15 months old. 2. I had the healthy kitties vaccinated against FeLV on the vet's recommendation and think that after they get their boosters the odds might be even slimmer of them getting infected. For now I have isolated Becca to my master bedroom/bathroom. I was planning on releasing her in three weeks after the other two kitties get their booster shots. Am I making the right call? If I put Becca to sleep and the others eventually test positve then I will be crushed! But I don't want to continue to risk them either. It looks like based on my research it is rare for adult cats to get FeLV, and if they have already been exposed for so long (over a year) and are currently negative then aren't the odds good? I have to call the vet tomorrow to cancel the euthanasia and ask for some antibiotics instead, and I want to have some good reasons to give her for my change of heart, along with some good documentation she can research. I figure I can always use the next three weeks to think the decision through but if I put her down I can't take it back. I don't know how much longer I'd have with her... but doing this when she is so healthy just doesn't sit with me. I should add, I got these four kitties to replace my last kitty, who died from Renal Failure. He was given a few months to live and lived for three years under my care. I'm not afraid of a little work if it means quality of life for her and more time together with minimal risk to my other angels. Help?? Iva ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Introduction
My name is Jennifer Reihart and I run a hospice center/rescue for cats with FeLv. I have been doing it for over 6 years and have gotten cats from all over the eastern US. OH, NY, NJ, PA, NC, and even as far as Texas. We have a huge house, and take in cats from different areas, and various backgrounds and give them a place to call home. I am independent, my husband and I do this on our own, and out of love for these special cats. They have free run of the home, and get lots of love and attention. We currently have 13, and they all have their own space, however at night our bed is covered in cats. I have gotten several cats from FeLv.org and have given them a loving home. We have had 3 live past 9, most live until 5 or 6, we have one that is 7. We don't do anything special, they get good cat food, wet in the morning-dry throughout the day. But what I think is our secret to having them live longer is lots of love. they are all used to being petted, kissed, and made over. Each one has it's own special personality, that's what I love about cats, no two are the same. I just wanted to introduce myself to the group. We have worked a little with the Marley fund in NC, but mostly we take cats from various rescue groups and individuals who are desperate to find a good home for their cats. We do insist they bring the cat's here so that they can see the love and attention we give the cats. This set's their mind at ease, and makes the transition easier. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Welcome to the group Jennifer! Bless you and your husband for your efforts on helping FELV kitties! Keep up the good work and love for these precious babies. You will find there are other rescues here that do somewhat the same as you. Also, a lot of very valuable information. Many of us are all over the world. I have been on this group/list since 1999 if my memory serves me correctly. I'm also a rescue as it was started officially by my late Taz you can read about him by going to Tazzys link below. Even though I've been rescuing for over 25 years. Thanks to James the moderator that started this in memory of his kitty. TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Sultan/Startup, WA. _http://tazzys.org/_ (http://tazzys.org/index.html) Board Member for national rescue. _http://www.hurricanepetsrescue.org/_ (http://www.hurricanepetsrescue.org/) OTRA VERIFIED TRANSPORTER (On The Road Again) Terrie Mohr-Forker Copyright © 2007-2008 Tazzy's.org. All rights reserved. **Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood0001) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Thank you Jennifer (and your husband) for the work that you are doing and for joining the group. I know that hospice/rescues like yours are needed in every community in this country. It is wonderful that you are able to give love and care to these special cats. I am sure you have a unique understanding of this virus and how it progresses, living with so many affected cats. Are most of the cats in your home symptomatic ? Have you any who are dealing with stomatitis? Do you have a vet who helps you with Felv issues? I would love to hear more about your rescue and about the 13 kitties who are with you now. Thank you again for the work that you are doing. Jane mem On Mar 22, 2009, at 12:17 PM, martinj...@verizon.net wrote: My name is Jennifer Reihart and I run a hospice center/rescue for cats with FeLv. I have been doing it for over 6 years and have gotten cats from all over the eastern US. OH, NY, NJ, PA, NC, and even as far as Texas. We have a huge house, and take in cats from different areas, and various backgrounds and give them a place to call home. I am independent, my husband and I do this on our own, and out of love for these special cats. They have free run of the home, and get lots of love and attention. We currently have 13, and they all have their own space, however at night our bed is covered in cats. I have gotten several cats from FeLv.org and have given them a loving home. We have had 3 live past 9, most live until 5 or 6, we have one that is 7. We don't do anything special, they get good cat food, wet in the morning-dry throughout the day. But what I think is our secret to having them live longer is lots of love. they are all used to being petted, kissed, and made over. Each one has it's own special personality, that's what I love about cats, no two are the same. I just wanted to introduce myself to the group. We have worked a little with the Marley fund in NC, but mostly we take cats from various rescue groups and individuals who are desperate to find a good home for their cats. We do insist they bring the cat's here so that they can see the love and attention we give the cats. This set's their mind at ease, and makes the transition easier. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Introduction
where are you located? I volunteer at a humane shelter in Tennessee and unfortunately their current policy is to euthanize any cats that come in and test positive. I am trying to change their thinking :-) Sidney ** Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood0001) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Thank you Jennifer for providing a loving home for these babies. Sharyl --- On Sun, 3/22/09, martinj...@verizon.net martinj...@verizon.net wrote: From: martinj...@verizon.net martinj...@verizon.net Subject: [Felvtalk] Introduction To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 12:17 PM -Inline Attachment Follows- My name is Jennifer Reihart and I run a hospice center/rescue for cats with FeLv. I have been doing it for over 6 years and have gotten cats from all over the eastern US. OH, NY, NJ, PA, NC, and even as far as Texas. We have a huge house, and take in cats from different areas, and various backgrounds and give them a place to call home. I am independent, my husband and I do this on our own, and out of love for these special cats. They have free run of the home, and get lots of love and attention. We currently have 13, and they all have their own space, however at night our bed is covered in cats. I have gotten several cats from FeLv.org and have given them a loving home. We have had 3 live past 9, most live until 5 or 6, we have one that is 7. We don't do anything special, they get good cat food, wet in the morning-dry throughout the day. But what I think is our secret to having them live longer is lots of love. they are all used to being petted, kissed, and made over. Each one has it's own special personality, that's what I love about cats, no two are the same. I just wanted to introduce myself to the group. We have worked a little with the Marley fund in NC, but mostly we take cats from various rescue groups and individuals who are desperate to find a good home for their cats. We do insist they bring the cat's here so that they can see the love and attention we give the cats. This set's their mind at ease, and makes the transition easier. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Introduction - new here (LONG)
Welcome to the group Sidney. Pancreatitis ca be a painful illness for cats but is treatable. There is a new yahoo pancreatitis group that has some great treatment info. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/feline_pancreatitis_support/ Has your vet Rx anything for pain? Please do not give the General Metacam. There are other effective pain meds for cats. Eating is even more important for a sick kitty. There is a wonderful Yahoo feeding group that has info on assist feeding. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-Assisted-Feeding/ Sounds like the General has found a wonderful place to 'room'. Sharyl --- On Sat, 12/13/08, souther...@aol.com souther...@aol.com wrote: From: souther...@aol.com souther...@aol.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Introduction - new here (LONG) To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, December 13, 2008, 10:12 PM I just found this list after doing a little on line reading. I joined this list to learn more about the issues surrounding caring for a Feline Leukemia positive cat. Here's our story: I have never owned a cat or even been around a cat in my life and I'm almost 52. Two years ago this coming spring I was in my yard working in my flowers and this poor scrawny cat came and climbed up in my lap. I kept moving him and he came moving back in my lap. He just kept hanging around so I gave him milk (remember I know NOTHING about cats). The next day he was sitting on my front porch so I brought him some dog food out (that's all I had as I have always had dogs) He ate it as fast as I'd give it to him. The next day he was still there so I bought him catfood. I started feeding him every day outside. He stayed. After about 3 weeks I figured if he was going to stay I better get him to a vet and get him neutered. I took him to my dog's vet who tested him for Feline Leukemia and I don't know what else and said he's positive for Feline Leukemia, you might as well have him put to sleep as he's gonna die anyway. Well, I'd become attached to him so I said, no not gonna do that. Go ahead and neuter him and give him whatever vaccinations he needs and we'll go from there. I found a local vet that specializes in cats and took him there. I moved him inside and there's he's been ever since. He's a huge boy now, a sweet loving lap cat and I love him with all my heart :-) He's had some problems, a kidney infection, eye infections, and now he's having some issues with what they think is pancreatitis. He's had bouts of vomiting, and loss of appetite. It comes back after a day or so and he's fine for several days but then it seems to come back. I'm now waiting on the results of some test that may be able to determine if it is truly pancreatitis. All his other blood levels are normal. No temp. Today his heart rate was up but other than that he was normal other than he acted like his tummy hurt and he wouldn't eat and didn't want to be handled (both things are very unlike him as he'd sit in my lap for hours usually if I'll let him) So here we are and we're hoping to learn. Oh, his name is General Sterling Price, named for a cat in a John Wayne movie, True Grit (Mattie Ross: You don't have any family, do you?Except Chen Lee and that lazy cat. Cogburn: General Price don't belong to me.Cats don't belong to nobody! He just rooms with me.Course I depend on him...) Sidney and General Sterling Price ** Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpamp;icid=aolcom40vanityamp;ncid=emlcntaolcom0010) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Introduction - new here (LONG)
In a message dated 12/14/2008 12:19:08 AM Central Standard Time, maima...@duo-county.com writes: Love him with all your and do not fear the future. Everyone who loves and is loved has a broken heart eventually and, just as eventually, breaks another's heart. Learn from him. He's already taught me a lot. For one thing, I now consider myself to be a cat and dog person! I would NEVER have said that 2 years ago. And I think it was Queen Elizabeth II who said Grief is the price we pay for love Thanks, Sidney and the General ** Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpamp;icid=aolcom40vanityamp;ncid=emlcntaolcom0010) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Introduction - new here (LONG)
In a message dated 12/14/2008 12:49:47 AM Central Standard Time, drosenfe...@wi.rr.com writes: In your case, if the pancreatitis is still going, the trick is to feed something that won't irritate the pancreas. Slippery slope, but doable. Do you have any suggestions as to what that might be? Sidney and the General ** Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpamp;icid=aolcom40vanityamp;ncid=emlcntaolcom0010) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Introduction - new here (LONG)
Hi Sidney, Welcome, I am sorry General is feeling so poorly, pancreatitis is a booger to deal with, Bailey had this and it eventually turned into cancer and I lost him to it. He was FeLV+ at 5 months of age and passed at 11 years old. We didn't realize he had pancreatitis because he his blood work was fairly normal but we did suspect cancer somewhere and couldn't find it. He had diarrhea and was not eating anything for 65, almost 6 months straight before I lost him and found the pancreatic cancer upon his death. Hills prescription diet makes a food that is low in fat which is what you want for a cat that has pancreatitis. It is called ID, your vet should be able to get it for you. I had to eventually get a feeding tube put into Bailey to get enough food in to him because syringe feeding just wasn't working for us. Many cats do fine with syringe feeding, no cat likes it to start but many will adjust and even come to accept it. Bailey was not one if those, we tried it for a good month and he hated it the whole time, that is why I finally decided on a feeding tube. Unfortunately with the cancer hiding in his body and my vet not being able to find it (believe me we tried, we did every test imaginable, but nothing ever showed us where or what kind of cancer), even enough food eventually wasn't enough to make him well. It is extremely important to get General to eat, cats can get something called hepatic lipidosis which is basically fatty liver disease, this will kill them in short order is not treated, the treatment is food, enough of it. An average sized adult cat needs 200 or more calories a day minimum, that's about a 6 oz can. So even if you have to offer food every 15 minutes or put some in your finger and open General's mouth and put it in, do it. I do this with Fred my CRF guy (kidney failure) if he won't eat when I give him his meds. Always give food or water with pills, if they don't go all the way down a cats very long esophagus, they can dissolve in there and cause some bad damage, some cats won't eat if their esophagus is irritated from pills dissolving in there. The main thing is make sure general is getting enough food, have your vet show you how to syringe feed him if you need to. Here are some info and video's on how to do it: *Click Here* cid:part1.07040401.03010103@bemikitties.com Most important thing to remember is go slow and always go in the side of the mouth, you never want to shoot food or liquids straight back down a cats throat. This cat has obviously gotten used to the routine and adapted very well: *http://www.rindarealm.com/PDF/howtoforce.pdf* Here is an article by a vet on the benefits of a feeding tube if it becomes a necessity. I have had 3 cats with feeding tubes they did retty well, Buddie, my first tube kitty loved her tube feedings and actually looked forward to her feedings. *http://www.catinfo.org/feedingtubes.htm *Here is an article by the same vet about giving cats pills and why you don't want to do it without making sure they get it down all the way: *http://www.catinfo.org/pillingcats.htm *I hope General starts eating better on his own soon, just take things slow, stay calm and General will follow your lead. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I really don't know squat about pancreas - but with the mention of Slippery - I syringe Slippery Elm liquid to kitties with other types of digestive problems. Supposed to be nutritious as well as soothing. Like I say, don't know much about it for pancreas problems. Gloria On Dec 14, 2008, at 8:31 AM, souther...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 12/14/2008 12:49:47 AM Central Standard Time, drosenfe...@wi.rr.com writes: In your case, if the pancreatitis is still going, the trick is to feed something that won't irritate the pancreas. Slippery slope, but doable. Do you have any suggestions as to what that might be? Sidney and the General ** Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpamp;icid=aolcom40vanityamp;ncid=emlcntaolcom0010 ) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Introduction - new here (LONG)
I just found this list after doing a little on line reading. I joined this list to learn more about the issues surrounding caring for a Feline Leukemia positive cat. Here's our story: I have never owned a cat or even been around a cat in my life and I'm almost 52. Two years ago this coming spring I was in my yard working in my flowers and this poor scrawny cat came and climbed up in my lap. I kept moving him and he came moving back in my lap. He just kept hanging around so I gave him milk (remember I know NOTHING about cats). The next day he was sitting on my front porch so I brought him some dog food out (that's all I had as I have always had dogs) He ate it as fast as I'd give it to him. The next day he was still there so I bought him catfood. I started feeding him every day outside. He stayed. After about 3 weeks I figured if he was going to stay I better get him to a vet and get him neutered. I took him to my dog's vet who tested him for Feline Leukemia and I don't know what else and said he's positive for Feline Leukemia, you might as well have him put to sleep as he's gonna die anyway. Well, I'd become attached to him so I said, no not gonna do that. Go ahead and neuter him and give him whatever vaccinations he needs and we'll go from there. I found a local vet that specializes in cats and took him there. I moved him inside and there's he's been ever since. He's a huge boy now, a sweet loving lap cat and I love him with all my heart :-) He's had some problems, a kidney infection, eye infections, and now he's having some issues with what they think is pancreatitis. He's had bouts of vomiting, and loss of appetite. It comes back after a day or so and he's fine for several days but then it seems to come back. I'm now waiting on the results of some test that may be able to determine if it is truly pancreatitis. All his other blood levels are normal. No temp. Today his heart rate was up but other than that he was normal other than he acted like his tummy hurt and he wouldn't eat and didn't want to be handled (both things are very unlike him as he'd sit in my lap for hours usually if I'll let him) So here we are and we're hoping to learn. Oh, his name is General Sterling Price, named for a cat in a John Wayne movie, True Grit (Mattie Ross: You don't have any family, do you?Except Chen Lee and that lazy cat. Cogburn: General Price don't belong to me.Cats don't belong to nobody! He just rooms with me.Course I depend on him...) Sidney and General Sterling Price ** Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpamp;icid=aolcom40vanityamp;ncid=emlcntaolcom0010) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Introduction - new here (LONG)
Oh my. A story I know well. With both Felv+ and Felv- cats. You have been hooked by an angel. My first and only Felv+ was Dixie. She was probably 3 or so years old. After I decided to find a way to keep her (She apparently had lost her home and was hanging out with the ferals behind my mother's home. She was supposed to be spayed then become my farm cat) I took her to a holistic vet my regular vets had referred me to with other animals. Dr. Betty Boswell worked with the vets at Middletown Animal Hospital and between them and the love Dixie got as well as gave, she had three wonderful years and HAD EVERYTHING! I urge any one with a critter who has problems to seek holistic services as well as regular vets. My world is great in that both groups I use respect each other. Fed the highest quality food you can. Mix in ground/chopped veggies high vitamin C (Dixie loved baby carrots, broccoli and spinach). Start her on Colostrum or Transfer Factor. Love him with all your and do not fear the future. Everyone who loves and is loved has a broken heart eventually and, just as eventually, breaks another's heart. Learn from him. He came to you for a reason. And hang with this group. You found it the way I did and it is wonderful. The information is great and, although it is sometimes conflicting, you need to read it all to find out what is right for you and your wonderful friend. And give him EVERYTHING!!! On Dec 13, 2008, at 9:12 PM, souther...@aol.com wrote: I just found this list after doing a little on line reading. I joined this list to learn more about the issues surrounding caring for a Feline Leukemia positive cat. Here's our story: I have never owned a cat or even been around a cat in my life and I'm almost 52. Two years ago this coming spring I was in my yard working in my flowers and this poor scrawny cat came and climbed up in my lap. I kept moving him and he came moving back in my lap. He just kept hanging around so I gave him milk (remember I know NOTHING about cats). The next day he was sitting on my front porch so I brought him some dog food out (that's all I had as I have always had dogs) He ate it as fast as I'd give it to him. The next day he was still there so I bought him catfood. I started feeding him every day outside. He stayed. After about 3 weeks I figured if he was going to stay I better get him to a vet and get him neutered. I took him to my dog's vet who tested him for Feline Leukemia and I don't know what else and said he's positive for Feline Leukemia, you might as well have him put to sleep as he's gonna die anyway. Well, I'd become attached to him so I said, no not gonna do that. Go ahead and neuter him and give him whatever vaccinations he needs and we'll go from there. I found a local vet that specializes in cats and took him there. I moved him inside and there's he's been ever since. He's a huge boy now, a sweet loving lap cat and I love him with all my heart :-) He's had some problems, a kidney infection, eye infections, and now he's having some issues with what they think is pancreatitis. He's had bouts of vomiting, and loss of appetite. It comes back after a day or so and he's fine for several days but then it seems to come back. I'm now waiting on the results of some test that may be able to determine if it is truly pancreatitis. All his other blood levels are normal. No temp. Today his heart rate was up but other than that he was normal other than he acted like his tummy hurt and he wouldn't eat and didn't want to be handled (both things are very unlike him as he'd sit in my lap for hours usually if I'll let him) So here we are and we're hoping to learn. Oh, his name is General Sterling Price, named for a cat in a John Wayne movie, True Grit (Mattie Ross: You don't have any family, do you?Except Chen Lee and that lazy cat. Cogburn: General Price don't belong to me.Cats don't belong to nobody! He just rooms with me.Course I depend on him...) Sidney and General Sterling Price ** Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpamp;icid=aolcom40vanityamp;ncid=emlcntaolcom0010 ) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Marylyn, Copper Thomas ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Introduction - new here (LONG)
Sidney -- Welcome! General Sterling Price is so lucky to have found you. Sounds like he knew exactly what he was doing when he crawled into your lap in your garden!! Just make sure he eats something every day, by whatever means necessary. We got our Luc through fatty liver disease caused by his not eating (the suspected cause was pancreatitis, but it may have resolved itself by the time we noticed that he was acting sick. In your case, if the pancreatitis is still going, the trick is to feed something that won't irritate the pancreas. Slippery slope, but doable. Good luck to you both!! I hope the General feels better very soon! Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of souther...@aol.com Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 9:12 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Introduction - new here (LONG) I just found this list after doing a little on line reading. I joined this list to learn more about the issues surrounding caring for a Feline Leukemia positive cat. Here's our story: I have never owned a cat or even been around a cat in my life and I'm almost 52. Two years ago this coming spring I was in my yard working in my flowers and this poor scrawny cat came and climbed up in my lap. I kept moving him and he came moving back in my lap. He just kept hanging around so I gave him milk (remember I know NOTHING about cats). The next day he was sitting on my front porch so I brought him some dog food out (that's all I had as I have always had dogs) He ate it as fast as I'd give it to him. The next day he was still there so I bought him catfood. I started feeding him every day outside. He stayed. After about 3 weeks I figured if he was going to stay I better get him to a vet and get him neutered. I took him to my dog's vet who tested him for Feline Leukemia and I don't know what else and said he's positive for Feline Leukemia, you might as well have him put to sleep as he's gonna die anyway. Well, I'd become attached to him so I said, no not gonna do that. Go ahead and neuter him and give him whatever vaccinations he needs and we'll go from there. I found a local vet that specializes in cats and took him there. I moved him inside and there's he's been ever since. He's a huge boy now, a sweet loving lap cat and I love him with all my heart :-) He's had some problems, a kidney infection, eye infections, and now he's having some issues with what they think is pancreatitis. He's had bouts of vomiting, and loss of appetite. It comes back after a day or so and he's fine for several days but then it seems to come back. I'm now waiting on the results of some test that may be able to determine if it is truly pancreatitis. All his other blood levels are normal. No temp. Today his heart rate was up but other than that he was normal other than he acted like his tummy hurt and he wouldn't eat and didn't want to be handled (both things are very unlike him as he'd sit in my lap for hours usually if I'll let him) So here we are and we're hoping to learn. Oh, his name is General Sterling Price, named for a cat in a John Wayne movie, True Grit (Mattie Ross: You don't have any family, do you?Except Chen Lee and that lazy cat. Cogburn: General Price don't belong to me.Cats don't belong to nobody! He just rooms with me.Course I depend on him...) Sidney and General Sterling Price ** Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpamp;icid=aolcom40vanityamp;ncid=emlcntaol com0010) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Introduction - new here (LONG)
I wonder if Lysine would help with the eye infection? I've used the supplement with some ferals and, at one point, with Dixie. There are some nuances though. You need to get them from others on the list. It has to do with the quality of the supplement. Until you hear from someone wiser, wait. I just found this list after doing a little on line reading. I joined this list to learn more about the issues surrounding caring for a Feline Leukemia positive cat. Here's our story: I have never owned a cat or even been around a cat in my life and I'm almost 52. Two years ago this coming spring I was in my yard working in my flowers and this poor scrawny cat came and climbed up in my lap. I kept moving him and he came moving back in my lap. He just kept hanging around so I gave him milk (remember I know NOTHING about cats). The next day he was sitting on my front porch so I brought him some dog food out (that's all I had as I have always had dogs) He ate it as fast as I'd give it to him. The next day he was still there so I bought him catfood. I started feeding him every day outside. He stayed. After about 3 weeks I figured if he was going to stay I better get him to a vet and get him neutered. I took him to my dog's vet who tested him for Feline Leukemia and I don't know what else and said he's positive for Feline Leukemia, you might as well have him put to sleep as he's gonna die anyway. Well, I'd become attached to him so I said, no not gonna do that. Go ahead and neuter him and give him whatever vaccinations he needs and we'll go from there. I found a local vet that specializes in cats and took him there. I moved him inside and there's he's been ever since. He's a huge boy now, a sweet loving lap cat and I love him with all my heart :-) He's had some problems, a kidney infection, eye infections, and now he's having some issues with what they think is pancreatitis. He's had bouts of vomiting, and loss of appetite. It comes back after a day or so and he's fine for several days but then it seems to come back. I'm now waiting on the results of some test that may be able to determine if it is truly pancreatitis. All his other blood levels are normal. No temp. Today his heart rate was up but other than that he was normal other than he acted like his tummy hurt and he wouldn't eat and didn't want to be handled (both things are very unlike him as he'd sit in my lap for hours usually if I'll let him) So here we are and we're hoping to learn. Oh, his name is General Sterling Price, named for a cat in a John Wayne movie, True Grit (Mattie Ross: You don't have any family, do you?Except Chen Lee and that lazy cat. Cogburn: General Price don't belong to me.Cats don't belong to nobody! He just rooms with me.Course I depend on him...) Sidney and General Sterling Price ** Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpamp;icid=aolcom40vanityamp;ncid=emlcntaol com0010) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Marylyn, Copper Thomas ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: To Susan in Austin: feline-hyperT] Introduction for Maxx - Austin, TX
Dr.Roy Brandon Smith of Central Texas Cat Hospital. He is in Round Rock,a bit north of Austin. 512.388.1299 If she is in South Austin, Dr. John Samon III of Star of Texas Veterinary Clinic is great also. 512.291.1600. Dr.Samon worked for Dr.Smith for 8 yrs. when Dr. Smith owned North Ausitn Animal Hospital. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: wendy To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 9:08 PM Subject: To Susan in Austin: feline-hyperT] Introduction for Maxx - Austin, TX Hey Susan, What is the name of the great vet that you like in Austin. The girl that posted below lives in Austin and I thought I'd forward the name to her. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Forwarded Message From: Christina [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 9, 2007 12:11:17 PM Subject: [feline-hyperT] Introduction for Maxx - Austin, TX Good afternoon and thanks for allowing us to join! My kitty, Maxx was just diagnosed with hyperT on Friday. I had noticed that she had lost a little weight, but attributed it to her aging. Her bloodwork from her annual wellness exam caught the hyperT, along with a couple other things. I have had Maxx for the past 12 years. I found her in downtown Phoenix, AZ. She was already full-grown and spayed, so I am not sure of her actual age. My vet is recommending the I-131 treatment, but that is something I will have to save up for. She also has a dime-sized lump near her right shoulder and an abscessed tooth. I inquired about starting with the methimazole pills, then getting her tooth pulled and lump removed and biopsied (preferably on the same visit) before finishing with the I-131. This seemed like a logical progression to me, but my vet stated that the methimazole will block the iodine uptake and cannot be done once the methimazole treatment has begun. I have since heard stories to the contrary, so any input on this would be greatly appreciated. I just moved from North Austin to South Austin and this is a new vet for me. Maxx has 1 sibling, a timid 130lb. female Anatolian Shepherd named Pele, that she thoroughly enjoys bossing around on a regular basis. Oh, and my name is Christina, Maxx's humble servant. __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Calendar The opinions expressed are the author's own and should not be taken as a substitute for professional veterinary advice. Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity a.. 7New Members Visit Your Group Sell Online Start selling with our award-winning e-commerce tools. Need traffic? Drive customers With search ads on Yahoo! Best of Y! Groups Discover groups that are the best of their class. . __,_._,___ -- Check out the hottest 2008 models today at Yahoo! Autos.
To Susan in Austin: feline-hyperT] Introduction for Maxx - Austin, TX
Hey Susan, What is the name of the great vet that you like in Austin. The girl that posted below lives in Austin and I thought I'd forward the name to her. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Forwarded Message From: Christina [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 9, 2007 12:11:17 PM Subject: [feline-hyperT] Introduction for Maxx - Austin, TX Good afternoon and thanks for allowing us to join! My kitty, Maxx was just diagnosed with hyperT on Friday. I had noticed that she had lost a little weight, but attributed it to her aging. Her bloodwork from her annual wellness exam caught the hyperT, along with a couple other things. I have had Maxx for the past 12 years. I found her in downtown Phoenix, AZ. She was already full-grown and spayed, so I am not sure of her actual age. My vet is recommending the I-131 treatment, but that is something I will have to save up for. She also has a dime-sized lump near her right shoulder and an abscessed tooth. I inquired about starting with the methimazole pills, then getting her tooth pulled and lump removed and biopsied (preferably on the same visit) before finishing with the I-131. This seemed like a logical progression to me, but my vet stated that the methimazole will block the iodine uptake and cannot be done once the methimazole treatment has begun. I have since heard stories to the contrary, so any input on this would be greatly appreciated. I just moved from North Austin to South Austin and this is a new vet for me. Maxx has 1 sibling, a timid 130lb. female Anatolian Shepherd named Pele, that she thoroughly enjoys bossing around on a regular basis. Oh, and my name is Christina, Maxx's humble servant. __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Calendar The opinions expressed are the author's own and should not be taken as a substitute for professional veterinary advice. Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity 7New Members Visit Your Group Sell Online Start selling with our award-winning e-commerce tools. Need traffic? Drive customers With search ads on Yahoo! Best of Y! Groups Discover groups that are the best of their class.. __,_._,___ Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mailp=graduation+giftscs=bz
Re: Introduction/Duncan
Hi Laura, Welcome to the list. How old is Duncan? If he's young, he has a decent chance of throwing off the virus. We've even seen adult cats do it, so retesting him in a few months might be a good idea. Lysine will be good for him. It's a tasteless amino acid that can be added to wet food. Or pill popped. It's for strengthening the immune system, which is needed in FeLV+ kitties. Keeping Duncan stress free and feeding him a good diet, like Innova Evo or another premium food, are the two best things you can do for him right now. Feel free to ask any other specific questions you might have. :) Wendy Dallas, Tx Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097
Re: Introduction/Duncan
Dixie is doing wonderfully on Primal Raw + veggies (high vitamin C and iron types like carrots, green beans, spinach and broccoli). If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 1:52 PM Subject: Re: Introduction/Duncan Hi Laura, Welcome to the list. How old is Duncan? If he's young, he has a decent chance of throwing off the virus. We've even seen adult cats do it, so retesting him in a few months might be a good idea. Lysine will be good for him. It's a tasteless amino acid that can be added to wet food. Or pill popped. It's for strengthening the immune system, which is needed in FeLV+ kitties. Keeping Duncan stress free and feeding him a good diet, like Innova Evo or another premium food, are the two best things you can do for him right now. Feel free to ask any other specific questions you might have. :) Wendy Dallas, Tx Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097
Re: Introduction
Hi Laura, I'm in Georgia too. Where are you? My positive is 8 years old and going strong right now. tonya Laura Mostello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all - My name is Laura and I'm new to this list. I'm also new to FeLV, since I've just adopted an infected cat. I work at an animal shelter here in Georgia, and one of my favorite cats tested positive last week. We had planned to take him to an adoption fair but had to run the test first. Well, Duncan was one of the unlucky ones. He has a terrific personality and I'd grown quite attached to him during his 4 months at the shelter, so I adopted him myself rather than let him be euthanized. Duncan visited the vet today, and aside from slightly swollen lymph nodes, the vet says he looks great. He's extremely energetic, friendly and has a great appetite, and so far there are no symptoms of illness. It was a real surprise when the test came back positive. Cats rarely stay healthy for 4 months at the shelter - they usually contract a URI and, since there is no money in the budget for vet care and no medications, most deteriorate quickly and are euthanized. But we never worried about Duncan; he always seemed so strong and he never got sick. Of course at this point the vet can't give me a definite prognosis - we just have to wait and see what happens. I'm hoping to learn a lot from others on this list, especially what you all have done to keep your cats healthy. Thanks! Laura
Re: Introduction
Welcome Laura I am new ( a few weeks) on this list, but have found the people here to be very knowledgeable about FLEV and very kind and willing to share. It sounds as if Duncan is in a very healthy place right now. I would imagine the best advise for you would be to support him with the healthiest diet possible (both the vets I use recommend a raw diet, which has been difficult for a Fancy Feast addict). Again, the people here can give you their recommendations. Also, supplements such as Transfer Factor, Maitake DMG, and Lycine which will boost his immune system would be good. My vet strongly recommended a probiotic called FloriForta (Purina) which has been helping my kitten fight stomatitis. The thing that has been stressed to me is that a loving environment with little/no stress really helps positive cats (and us all). It sounds as if Duncan if off to a good start. Jane On Jun 17, 2007, at 12:06 PM, catatonya wrote: Hi Laura, I'm in Georgia too. Where are you? My positive is 8 years old and going strong right now. tonya Laura Mostello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all - My name is Laura and I'm new to this list. I'm also new to FeLV, since I've just adopted an infected cat. I work at an animal shelter here in Georgia, and one of my favorite cats tested positive last week. We had planned to take him to an adoption fair but had to run the test first. Well, Duncan was one of the unlucky ones. He has a terrific personality and I'd grown quite attached to him during his 4 months at the shelter, so I adopted him myself rather than let him be euthanized. Duncan visited the vet today, and aside from slightly swollen lymph nodes, the vet says he looks great. He's extremely energetic, friendly and has a great appetite, and so far there are no symptoms of illness. It was a real surprise when the test came back positive. Cats rarely stay healthy for 4 months at the shelter - they usually contract a URI and, since there is no money in the budget for vet care and no medications, most deteriorate quickly and are euthanized. But we never worried about Duncan; he always seemed so strong and he never got sick. Of course at this point the vet can't give me a definite prognosis - we just have to wait and see what happens. I'm hoping to learn a lot from others on this list, especially what you all have done to keep your cats healthy. Thanks! Laura
RE: Introduction
Welcome Laura! You've come to a great group. I don't have a FeLV kitty anymore--he's gone to a sanctuary and was only with me for a couple of months without symptoms, so I don't have any FeLV advice for you. But I will tell you this: Even though I don't have FeLV kitties, I still read and post to this site because there are so many loving and caring people. It's so nice to surround myself with kindred spirits since cat-lovers are few and far between in my area. I just enjoy reaffirming my beliefs and my feelings by reading about others compassion. It can be sad to read about all the poor babies who pass on, but it's so wonderful to have people to talk to and turn to who understand. I hope you enjoy the list, and I hope you find useful information. You've done a wonderful thing taking in Duncan! Congrats! Melissa Is this your only kitty? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Laura Mostello Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 5:16 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Introduction Hi all - My name is Laura and I'm new to this list. I'm also new to FeLV, since I've just adopted an infected cat. I work at an animal shelter here in Georgia, and one of my favorite cats tested positive last week. We had planned to take him to an adoption fair but had to run the test first. Well, Duncan was one of the unlucky ones. He has a terrific personality and I'd grown quite attached to him during his 4 months at the shelter, so I adopted him myself rather than let him be euthanized. Duncan visited the vet today, and aside from slightly swollen lymph nodes, the vet says he looks great. He's extremely energetic, friendly and has a great appetite, and so far there are no symptoms of illness. It was a real surprise when the test came back positive. Cats rarely stay healthy for 4 months at the shelter - they usually contract a URI and, since there is no money in the budget for vet care and no medications, most deteriorate quickly and are euthanized. But we never worried about Duncan; he always seemed so strong and he never got sick. Of course at this point the vet can't give me a definite prognosis - we just have to wait and see what happens. I'm hoping to learn a lot from others on this list, especially what you all have done to keep your cats healthy. Thanks! Laura
Introduction
Hi all - My name is Laura and I'm new to this list. I'm also new to FeLV, since I've just adopted an infected cat. I work at an animal shelter here in Georgia, and one of my favorite cats tested positive last week. We had planned to take him to an adoption fair but had to run the test first. Well, Duncan was one of the unlucky ones. He has a terrific personality and I'd grown quite attached to him during his 4 months at the shelter, so I adopted him myself rather than let him be euthanized. Duncan visited the vet today, and aside from slightly swollen lymph nodes, the vet says he looks great. He's extremely energetic, friendly and has a great appetite, and so far there are no symptoms of illness. It was a real surprise when the test came back positive. Cats rarely stay healthy for 4 months at the shelter - they usually contract a URI and, since there is no money in the budget for vet care and no medications, most deteriorate quickly and are euthanized. But we never worried about Duncan; he always seemed so strong and he never got sick. Of course at this point the vet can't give me a definite prognosis - we just have to wait and see what happens. I'm hoping to learn a lot from others on this list, especially what you all have done to keep your cats healthy. Thanks! Laura
Re: Introduction
That's wonderful that you took Duncan in! As everybody here can tell you, you can have many happy asymptomatic years with your FeLeuk kitty, and I do wish you the best. Sincerely, Jean Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545433
Re: Introduction
Hi Laura, Welcome to the group. I haven't been a frequent contributor recently, but have been on the list since 2001, when I took in FELV kitties Calawalla Banana BooBoo and Mr. Black Kitty (who were meowing at my door steps every morning). I later was fortunate to have Mittens, a sweet gray tabby. All have passed away. Calawalla and Mittens were both young, and died when about 2.5 to 3 yrs old. Mr. Black Kitty (MBK) was of unknown age, and FELV/FIV positive. He died in November 2003, as I recall, but don't know his age. I've had two die since then, last September 2006 - Houston (black DSH) and Dallas (gray and white DLH), both about 2.5-3 years old. They died after I was gone on vacation, and they didn't get their interferon every day. I now have 4 FELV kitties - Oliver, Felicity, Chloe, and B.B. The first 3 are about 10 years old or more, and B.B. is about 4 years old. They are not on interferon. After my first FELV kitty died, I followed the belief of others on this list, Tally, in giving low dose oral Interferon Alpha daily. Tally's web site is still out there, and she has a page on Boots Story - http://www.geocities.com/heartland/pointe/9352/ Note that it's easy because it's oral and tasteless. Interferon can cost a lot (like $65 for a small bottle) or a little (I get a huge bottle for $15.) So there are 4 - no 5 - approaches that I have encountered - 1) Interferon Alpha, 2) Vitamin C, 3) Immuno Regulin, 4) Interferon Omega, and 5) FELV vaccinations. If I acquired an FELV kitty now, less than 3-4 years old, I'd definitely do daily oral interferon. Just my approach. A 2nd approach - Vitamin C therapy, which has been said to make an FELV pos. kitty go negative. Let's see, the web site is http:// www.geocities.com/heartland/pointe/9352/ And a 3rd approach, is Immunoregulin, for which there are various protocols for injecting it. Then number 4, there's Interferon Omega, which is not easily available in the US, but you can get a special dispensation from the FDA to use it. I add the 5th approach, because I got 3 cats from a vet tech in Oklahoma, a couple of years ago - and these cats are about 10 years old. Her vet treated ALL of them by doing periodic FELV vaccinations - I don't know the protocol, and most folks I mention it to say it shouldn't work. But these cats are 10 years old, so go figure! The other cat I have now, B.B. , has not received anything, but the person he was with before gave him holy water blessed by an Indian teacher/guru. The FELV web site - felineleukemia.org - has a lot of great info out there. Re mixing - I don't mix my FELV and FELV- cats, but have done that, and would if I didn't have fosters for the local cat rescue - and if I was sure it wasn't dangerous for my FIV+ cats. I just don't believe it's that contagious for healthy neutered cats. Sorry, this is a bit long. Hope it helps a bit, and you'll generally find that this is a really terrific group of wonderful people! Gloria in Little Rock On Jun 14, 2007, at 5:16 PM, Laura Mostello wrote: Hi all - My name is Laura and I'm new to this list. I'm also new to FeLV, since I've just adopted an infected cat. I work at an animal shelter here in Georgia, and one of my favorite cats tested positive last week. We had planned to take him to an adoption fair but had to run the test first. Well, Duncan was one of the unlucky ones. He has a terrific personality and I'd grown quite attached to him during his 4 months at the shelter, so I adopted him myself rather than let him be euthanized. Duncan visited the vet today, and aside from slightly swollen lymph nodes, the vet says he looks great. He's extremely energetic, friendly and has a great appetite, and so far there are no symptoms of illness. It was a real surprise when the test came back positive. Cats rarely stay healthy for 4 months at the shelter - they usually contract a URI and, since there is no money in the budget for vet care and no medications, most deteriorate quickly and are euthanized. But we never worried about Duncan; he always seemed so strong and he never got sick. Of course at this point the vet can't give me a definite prognosis - we just have to wait and see what happens. I'm hoping to learn a lot from others on this list, especially what you all have done to keep your cats healthy. Thanks! Laura
RE: Felvtalk - introduction - Chewie and Stitch/Cassidy
I don't know where you live, but Cassidy is the most beautiful, friendly, loving cat! He's probably less than one year old, or around there. Here's his picture: He's gorgeous. I'm up in Vermont but am not really in a position to take in other cats at the moment, mostly because of Stitch's particular personality issues. :) If I think of or find anyone who is, though, or if my situation changes, I'll keep you in mind. Best of luck with your new quest on educating yourself on FeLV. There's so much to learn as I've found out this past week! But, the people here are so helpful and understanding-I'm so glad you've found this resource as well! Thanks! Joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: Felvtalk - introduction - Chewie and Stitch/Cassidy
Thanks Joe! Vermont is quite a distance from Nebraska! But, of course keep us in mind if you know of any compassionate people would like and FeLV baby. A vacation with a purpose would be nice. However, I'm sure there are plenty of cats in need out East! And, luckily, Cassidy has been accepted to Best Friends in Utah (a little closer), if I don't find him a home before then. Best, Melissa -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Reil Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 7:49 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Felvtalk - introduction - Chewie and Stitch/Cassidy I don't know where you live, but Cassidy is the most beautiful, friendly, loving cat! He's probably less than one year old, or around there. Here's his picture: He's gorgeous. I'm up in Vermont but am not really in a position to take in other cats at the moment, mostly because of Stitch's particular personality issues. :) If I think of or find anyone who is, though, or if my situation changes, I'll keep you in mind. Best of luck with your new quest on educating yourself on FeLV. There's so much to learn as I've found out this past week! But, the people here are so helpful and understanding-I'm so glad you've found this resource as well! Thanks! Joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Felvtalk - introduction - Chewie and Stitch
Hi Joe - welcome. I'm glad you found us -- this is the place to be. I'm a little behind on posts and will have to catch up but just wanted to let you know that you and Stitch have every reason to have hope. Don't ever hesitate to ask questions. elizabeth On 4/9/07, Joe Reil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Howdy all, This is my first post to this list, thought I'd do a bit of intro. We had three cats in our family. The older two were both castaways that were adopted as adults. Zoro was the oldest and I adopted him from a co-worker when I lived by myself. He died several years ago. The remaining two were Stitch and Chewie. Chewie was the next oldest. She had a really hard start to life, she was originally found, as a stray by some friends of ours. She was probably two or three at the time and she had evidence of being abused - she had some suspicious scars on her underside. She lived with them for a while, very shy/nervous and eventually came out of her shell. A couple years later, they had to move, and couldn't take her with them so we took her in. We had her for several years as well and while we don't know her exact age, best estimate put her at 8-10 years old when she died last month. She had a loss of appetite and started losing weight. She had two trips to the Vet - after the first visit she took a serious turn for the worse so we had her back at the vet only a few days later. A blood test on the second visit revealed that she had FelV. So, considering she was very sick and was suffering from a pretty serious disease we opted to put her to sleep then. :( I didn't know much about FelV then (and I'm still learning about it), but information from both our Vet and online resources I found indicated that it was contagious so we decided to have our third (and youngest) cat tested for it. Stitch is the only one we got as a Kitten and she's about 3.5 years old. I brought her to the vet this weekend and she tested positive for FelV. :( I do intend to learn as much as I can about the disease so we can keep her with us as long as possible. I know that it will eventually catch up to her and our main thing will be to put that off as long as possible. She's still young and healthy so hopefully that'll be a long time still. :) We had been planning to get a second cat, but we've put that plan on hold now. I know it is possible to inoculate against FelV, but given that the vaccine takes a while to take effect, we'd either have to quarantine the new cat until the vaccine took effect or find it someplace else to live for a month or so, and on top of all that I don't think we want to put Stitch through the stress of another housemate at the moment (she doesn't react well to strangers). Thanks, Joe Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail QA for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396546091
Re: Felvtalk - introduction - Chewie and Stitch
Welcome Joe, you have come to the right place. There are a lot of knowledgeable and caring people here. Gina Joe Reil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Howdy all, This is my first post to this list, thought I'd do a bit of intro. We had three cats in our family. The older two were both castaways that were adopted as adults. Zoro was the oldest and I adopted him from a co-worker when I lived by myself. He died several years ago. The remaining two were Stitch and Chewie. Chewie was the next oldest. She had a really hard start to life, she was originally found, as a stray by some friends of ours. She was probably two or three at the time and she had evidence of being abused - she had some suspicious scars on her underside. She lived with them for a while, very shy/nervous and eventually came out of her shell. A couple years later, they had to move, and couldn't take her with them so we took her in. We had her for several years as well and while we don't know her exact age, best estimate put her at 8-10 years old when she died last month. She had a loss of appetite and started losing weight. She had two trips to the Vet - after the first visit she took a serious turn for the worse so we had her back at the vet only a few days later. A blood test on the second visit revealed that she had FelV. So, considering she was very sick and was suffering from a pretty serious disease we opted to put her to sleep then. :( I didn't know much about FelV then (and I'm still learning about it), but information from both our Vet and online resources I found indicated that it was contagious so we decided to have our third (and youngest) cat tested for it. Stitch is the only one we got as a Kitten and she's about 3.5 years old. I brought her to the vet this weekend and she tested positive for FelV. :( I do intend to learn as much as I can about the disease so we can keep her with us as long as possible. I know that it will eventually catch up to her and our main thing will be to put that off as long as possible. She's still young and healthy so hopefully that'll be a long time still. :) We had been planning to get a second cat, but we've put that plan on hold now. I know it is possible to inoculate against FelV, but given that the vaccine takes a while to take effect, we'd either have to quarantine the new cat until the vaccine took effect or find it someplace else to live for a month or so, and on top of all that I don't think we want to put Stitch through the stress of another housemate at the moment (she doesn't react well to strangers). Thanks, Joe Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail QA for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396546091 Visit my Tigger Tales site! - Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta.
Re: Felvtalk - introduction - Chewie and Stitch
Welcome to the group. You came to the right place for more info! Something I just have to mention though, right off-hand, is the option to adopt another FELV+ cat! Perhaps at some point, but not yet. :) Thanks for the welcome, I've already gotten some useful info and I'll be asking questions as soon as I collect my thoughts and figure out what to ask! anyways, so be sure your vet ISN'T. Other vaccines should be carefully reconsidered, and only given if the risk indicates it's required to protect the cat. Any vaccine causes stress to the immune system, and since FELV is an immune system virus, you want to try to keep it as STRONG as possible, and vaccines are a extra weight on an already compromised system. For those you do choose to continue to give, you should request a non-adjuvanted version of the vaccine, as it has less harmful, toxic, and carcinogenic ingredients than regular vaccines (yes, vaccines are VERY nasty things - most people don't realize). Our vet seems to be good as they did go over this with me. She did say there were some vaccines we may consider and some we definitely shouldn't bother with. Stitch is a 99% of the time indoor cat. The only time we let her outside is with supervision, and even then not very often. Outside of the vaccination issue, there's general health and immune system considerations. The VERY FIRST thing you need to evaluate is the food you are feeding. FELV+ cats require a very optimal diet, and this is highly varied depending on owner preferences, BUT, you should either be feeding a super-premium commercial cat food, such as Innova, Wellness, Chicken Soup for the Cat, or Felidae (just some good examples - I feed felidae or Innova dry and merrick or innova canned), or you can make your own homemade diet using a recipe found from a reputable source, OR, you can feed raw (also requires good recipes to obtain optimal nutritional balance). I'll check these out. Any suggestions as to where I'd find these? I have a small, but well stocked pet store nearby, we also have a Petsmart about 45 minutes away. If neither of these are workable, are there any good web dealers selling these products? (I'll start with the link from the bottom of your e-mail - anywhere else I should be checking out?). Joe 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news
Re: To Joe: Re: Felvtalk - introduction - Chewie and Stitch
Welcome to the group. I'm really sorry to hear about Chewie and that Stitch has also tested positive for FeLV. Thanks. :) The best thing you can do for Stitch is to educate yourself on this virus. That's why I'm here. :) If Stitch is asymptomatic, there's not much else you can do, other than considering supplements for her immune system, like L-lysine (without propynol glycol) or Mega C. And keep us bookmarked because this is the place to be for FeLV info. Bless you for not pts this kitty and for taking such good care of her. Thanks. I couldn't see putting her to sleep now - she's still young, healthy and active. I've never understood people who can do that so easily... Chewie was very obviously sick and was getting worse rapidly so I think I made the right decision, but I'd like to put that off for Stitch as long as possible. Take care and keep us posted on Stitch! Will do! Thanks, Joe Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html
Re: Felvtalk - introduction - Chewie and Stitch
I'll check these out. Any suggestions as to where I'd find these? I have a small, but well stocked pet store nearby, we also have a Petsmart about 45 minutes away. If neither of these are workable, are there any good web dealers selling these products? (I'll start with the link from the bottom of your e-mail - anywhere else I should be checking out?). Hi Joe, It is actually hard to find good food at PetSmart. I buy my Felidae at the feed store here in town. We also have a local pet store that sells most premium brands. PetSmart sells a lot of foods that are expensive, like Royal Canin, but not really very good. Expensive food doesn't necessarily equal good food. I'm not sure what link was linked to you, but you can buy almost any food at http://www.petfooddirect.com Since you are only dealing with one cat, you could buy a case of canned and it would last you a good amount of time. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia
RE: Felvtalk - introduction - Chewie and Stitch
Hi Joe! I'm also very new to this list, but I'm in love with it and everyone here is so very supportive. I'm learning a lot about FeLV too. I rescued three cats last week (well, three found me). But, one, our beautiful Cassidy is FeLV+. The rest are negative, as are the three permanent cats we have in our house. Cassidy is currently camped out in our office room to protect the others. Many people on here have had successful mixing of FeLV positives and negatives, but I'm not prepared to do that since our youngest (less than one year) is most susceptible at this age. I don't know where you live, but Cassidy is the most beautiful, friendly, loving cat! He's probably less than one year old, or around there. Here's his picture: http://picasaweb.google.com/mzurovsk/Cassidy/photo?authkey=Iq5dHa-Vucs#50501 79613677810130 I'm trying to find an FeLV positive home for him. Some day I'd like to have a shelter with plenty of room for positives, but right now we don't have the resources. If you'd like him, or if you know of a good home for him, please let me know! I want to keep him so badly, he's stole my heart, but it's just not fair to keep him in one room forever. He's super healthy-better than one of the negatives I rescued last week. He talks constantly-but not annoyingly-and I understand his pungent urine will be subsiding as soon as his hormones are out of his system. He's only newly neutered. And he loves to bite at the letters as I type on the computer-so cute! A very good office buddy and helper. Best of luck with your new quest on educating yourself on FeLV. There's so much to learn as I've found out this past week! But, the people here are so helpful and understanding-I'm so glad you've found this resource as well! Best Wishes, Melissa
