CS>Silver List - Farewell

[Jason Eaton]

Greetings, everyone:

With our fearless leader MIA and no clear consensus of what the group 
wants to do, I'm going to bid you all a farewell!  Over the years, this 
has been one of my favorite lists to be a part of.


I am going to be reviving my old silver yahoo list, only because there 
are still about 450 members.  It's been quiet on that list for a long 
time, mainly because most of what needed to be said about silver has 
been said.


However, that is changing.  While the Eskimo silver list has been pretty 
sleepy, researchers out there have continued to pioneer new methods.  
There is also quite a bit of new research in the nano particle world.


If anyone has an interest in more advanced topics and wishes to join, 
you would be welcome.  On this list, however, topics off health and 
silver are not tolerated at all.  A zero tolerance policy means I simply 
remove the member, rather than debate the matter! :)


This newly revised list will be great for people who:

...want to know how to make a product very similar to Mesosilver at home.

want to know how to encapsulate silver ions for transport into the body.

want to know how to make a 100+ PPM particulate silver colloid using 
the chemistry method.


want to know how to make a 50 PPM electrically isolated ionic silver 
solution (the "glass ceiling" of 24-25 PPM of silver ions in solution 
has been broken.  It turns out, that was a false glass ceiling).


...want to study the potential toxic effects of silver.  My list has 
always looked at both sides of all of the story.  A select few warned 
people that EIS CAN cause argyria, even as we were chastised for doing 
so.  We really need to look at the cytotoxicity of silver colloids as 
more and more people on the "cutting edge" are creating higher and 
higher parts per million colloids.


https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/silvermedicine/info

I'm not yet ready to start publishing formulations and methods, but I'm 
getting closer!  As always, the project is about a collaboration between 
like minded individuals, for the benefit of everyone.


I wish you well!

~Jason


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Re: CS>Mike is Well

[Jason Eaton]

Greetings, ITguy and all:

I wanted to clarify this, and just got done corresponding with Greg's 
wife just to be sure I was correct.


The rumor about battery acid is just that:  A rumor started by someone 
who wanted to start cloning cansema.


The confusion about Cansema vs. Indian black salve is the addition of 
zinc chloride.  Zinc chloride, when made and used properly in a black 
salve formula, is what makes Cansema work each and every time with 
(almost always) a single application.


~Jason


On 6/6/2017 7:02 AM, Itguy wrote:
Disinfo agents are very very common. The govt. has thousands of them, 
not including private contractors they hire to do this and other 
things. Anyone remember the skin cancer cure 'Cansema'? The FDA 
planted a mole in the company that made it who poured battery acid 
into a bitch of Cansema the same day the FDA stormed the small shop. 
Of course the FDA seized that batch and tested it and found battery 
acid in it and shut him down. Later, the inventor moved to Ecuador to 
escape tyranny here, and the CIA snatched him up outside of his home 
(Illegally) in Ecuador.


When I discovered a substance that is nearly 100% effective in curing 
PTSD and Anxiety Disorders I tried to tell everyone and was quickly 
suppressed/harassed/targeted. I went on a few anxiety forums/blogs and 
tried to tell people and quickly realized that moles were planted 
around most of the blogs/forums. Later, I found a book written in 1992 
by a doctor that discovered the same mechanism causing PTSD/Anxiety 
Disorders I did, but he didn't discover that the substance I found 
cured it, he used other substances with a similar effect. 
Interestingly, we also discovered the same mechanism for anxiety 
disorders/PTSD is used by some mind control technologies. (PPI 
Inhibition)  By the way, that substance is Emodin, look it up, give it 
to anyone with anxiety in sufficient dose and watch them recover 
almost immediately... The only other person to find the same mechanism 
I did was this doctor;

https://www.amazon.com/Phobia-Free-Medical-Breakthrough-Physical/dp/0871315394/

It's WORSE with IT/Cybersecurity.. Disinfo agents on virtually every 
forum like Wilderssecurity, DSLReports, etc. Any information that is 
actually valuable and valid is quickly suppressed in a storm of 
negative posts or deleted outright by moderators.  Some say the govt 
and industry have 50,000 or more disinformation agents in action on 
any given day, just in the USA!


TLDR: Yes, Disinfo agents are a real problem, almost everywhere. Many 
of us have had experiences with them. I know Marshall has for sure, we 
shared many of these experiences to compare notes in the past.


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On Mon, Jun 5, 2017, at 11:56 PM, Deborah Gerard wrote:
I am in groups on Facebook and the silver groups get people sent in 
by big pharmacy I am sure to discredit colloidal silver...telling 
people they will turn blue and that it is a heavy metal...smh

Even Inside Edition took a nasty jab at colloidal silver not long ago.

On Monday, June 5, 2017 8:30 PM, Sandee George  wrote:


Jason a brilliant idea I endorse it totally, Facebook is a no no for 
me no wish or desire to visit that site one little bit. Agreed that 
this list has wonderful intelligent knowledgable helpful folk and it 
would be a huge loss to shut it down, let us see if Mike will turn it 
over to us, we have to ask before we know what his wishes are !   
 Only problem as I see it is, how to get to talk to him !

Peace, love and hugs
Sandee 
Attitude is everything !!
Producer of Colloidal Silver
Eye drops & Topical Gel
san...@spiceisle.com 










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Re: CS>Mike Devour not answering

[Jason Eaton]

Hi Itguy:

That's great to hear, fantastic news.  Thanks for taking the time to go 
over and check on Mike.


~Jason


On 5/23/2017 11:52 AM, Itguy wrote:

I drove over to Mikes house today during my lunch break.

I'm happy to report Mike is well. In fact, he is better than well. 
He's fully conquered his health issues and really looks like a new 
man. He's trimmed down his weight and seems to have a lot of good 
energy about him. We spoke for about an hour regarding various things 
and catching up on the old times.


Mike told me to tell everyone he's sorry he has neglected the list. 
He's been involved with other projects and has gotten way behind on 
keeping up with the various lists he runs and email correspondence. 
He'll work on getting things in order. He said he didn't recognize 
Nenah's number so he didn't answer the phone thinking it was a call 
spammer or something.


All is well!

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On Mon, May 22, 2017, at 05:55 PM, Tony Moody wrote:

Hallo Folks,

Mikes Devour, owner of the silver List, mailbox is full, he hasn't 
answered recent email. Support at Eskimo.com  say that his phone 
rings but there is a generic answering machine message. He lives in 
south east Michigan according to his page 
https://www.eskimo.com/~mdevour/boatproject.html


Is there anyone in the area who could try to get something more definite?
I can't be of much help because I'm round the other side of the world 
and 9 hours earlier than you in USA.


OK,
Tony Moody







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Re: CS>Final choices of units?

[Jason Eaton]

Hi Bob:

This is interesting, I'm certainly going to investigate further. I'm 
glad to see someone with a unique viewpoint.


That said, there is a lot of bad science out there masquerading as good 
science.


Do you know what... if any... actual analytical work has been done on 
EIS made with his process?


Time kill studies by chance?

~Jason


On 4/1/2017 9:38 AM, bob Larson wrote:
Polarity swapping helps a lot but adding a stir is still nice.  If 
you're going to get into reducing stabilizing and Cafe you definitely 
need a stirrer as well as borosilicate beaker and a hot plate.


The Facebook group "colloidal gold and colloidalsilver" is where a 
bunch of us have been learning from a chemist physiologist teacher in 
Sweden named Per Dahlin.  An automated machine making ionic like the 
silver puppy isn't what you want to get into all that AgNP & CGold 
stuff.  You need a current regulated simple power supply that you 
control manually no polarity swap you must torch your oxide back to 
Elemental silver every 15 or 20 minutes.  While the process requires 
involvement and Direct Control it is versatile.  Everything you need 
to know about the basic science and the Brewing processes are in the 
files of that group.  The setup to have would be a silver puppy Plus a 
laboratory bench power supply which is about a hundred bucks. 
 Straight ionic CS is used as a preservative part of a blend that 
keeps lecithin or gelatin from going funky because the Nanna particles 
are all covered up and can't protect each other.  You can make 
beautiful ionic CS with the NP oriented gear ( allowing precisely 
controlled and quick production) but it's best for me to brew ionic on 
a back-Brewer while The AgNP brewer that must be fussed with is in front.
My Facebook friends are running with this commercially and doing 
great.  Ionic and nanoparticle blends are becoming very popular with 
their customers.  Reducing with manuka honey is the latest rage.


On Apr 1, 2017 5:50 AM, Ode Coyote  wrote:

Why no more stirrers:

Magnetic:
Everything is made in China now [ie motors]
Quality control has gone out the window and I just can't get
motors that will predictably last even after weeding out 40% of
them as obviously defective.
Even the very expensive custom American made motors were only 80%
usable
I've redesigned for different motors 8 times now and each time the
quality and consistency erodes and a stirrer was only needed
back when generator output was DC.

But it's more personal than that.
It hurts my feelings to sell "junk", especially junk you don't need.

No amount of stirring will touch the Nearnst Diffusion layer at
the electrode surface where things happen on the "Micro" atomic level.
The "Macro" diffusion level is sufficiently handled by natural
convection, Brownian Motion and ion velocity.

The thermal stirrers heat the water when you don't want the heat.
At 20 PPM the solution is in over saturation and ions are more
forced into becoming uncharged molecules of silver oxide and
hydroxide.
Sometimes on a cold day the auto off at 20 uS would predominantly
make particles before it reached 20 uS and never shut down.
Heating the water helped on that score by raising the saturation
point of the water but with every 10 degrees of temperature 3 uS
in conductivity is added, so, at 20 uS and 90 deg F water 6 uS was
from heat, not silver.
Hot water makes ions more chemically reactive.
 I had not been able to make EIS at over 120 deg F that didn't
oxidize.
 [Coffee maker hot plates are too hot]

 "Back in the day" conductive ion tracks forming using straight DC
output was a much worse problem.

Now the [Silver 9"] gen shuts down at 10 uS [PPM] where it isn't
in over saturation at room temperature and additional PPM can be
added simply by programming.
With polarity switching, the ions tracks never form to 'be' disrupted.

Best:
 Preheat the water to add conductivity without contaminating the
water when conductivity is most needed in the absence of silver.
As silver content adds conductivity, the water cools reducing
reactivity.

ode

On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 9:30 PM, Top Dog > wrote:

Unless I missed it someplace it doesn't appear to be an item
for sale anymore on the site.

-Bob

On Mar 31, 2017 9:15 PM, "Victor Cozzetto"
>
wrote:

I strongly recommend the thermal stirrer with the
Silverpuppy. Both items are sold on the site. The thermal
stirrer gives you the addition of some temperature
control, which makes timing more consistent and enables
you to produce the CS in colder environments; a must for
some 

Re: CS>"Rampant use of nanosilver..."

[Jason Eaton]

...I would like to see more details about the referenced study on silver 
resistant bacteria.


The only study that I'm aware of was a study done on silver resistant 
microbes in silver-rich soil.  The researchers found that once the 
bacteria were removed from the silver-rich environment, the resistance 
quickly reversed (within a few generations).  If I remember correctly, 
the reason was: Resistance to silver came at a very high metabolic price 
for the bacteria.


~Jason


On 3/31/2017 6:06 PM, Bill Kingsbury wrote:

from: - 
https://www.healthcanal.com/infections/236554-rampant-use-antibacterial-nanosilver-resistance-risk.html


Rampant use of antibacterial nanosilver is a resistance risk

7:05 March 31, 2017

In summary:

.. Silver nanoparticles are becoming ubiquitous in medical and consumer 
items because of their antibacterial potency in small concentrations and, 
partly, incorrect perceptions about their safety

.. A more judicious approach and targeted surveillance are urgently needed 
to preserve nanosilver's antimicrobial reliability

Researchers at the University of Technology Sydney warn that the broad-spectrum 
antimicrobial effectiveness of silver is being put at risk by the widespread 
and inappropriate expansion of nanosilver use in medical and consumer goods.

As well as their use in medical items such as wound dressings and catheters, silver 
nanoparticles are becoming ubiquitous in everyday items, including toothbrushes and 
toothpaste, baby bottles and teats, bedding, clothing and household appliances, because 
of their antibacterial potency and the incorrect assumption that ordinary items should be 
kept "clean" of microbes.

Nanobiologist Dr Cindy Gunawan, from the ithree institute at UTS and lead researcher on 
the investigation, said alarm bells should be ringing at the commercialisation of 
nanosilver use because of a "real threat" that resistance to nanosilver will 
develop and spread through microorganisms in the human body and the environment.

Dr Gunawan and ithree institute director Professor Liz Harry, in collaboration 
with researchers at UNSW and abroad, investigated more than 140 commercially 
available medical devices, including wound dressings and tracheal and urinary 
catheters, and dietary supplements, which are promoted as immunity boosters and 
consumed by throat or nasal spray.

Their perspective article in the journal ACS Nano concluded that the use of 
nanosilver in these items could lead to prolonged exposure to bioactive silver 
in the human body. Such exposure creates the conditions for microbial 
resistance to develop.

The use of silver as an antimicrobial agent dates back centuries. Its ability to destroy 
pathogens while seemingly having low toxicity on human cells has seen it widely employed, 
in treating burns or purifying water, for example. More recently, ultra-small (less than 
10,000th of a millimetre) silver nanoparticles have been engineered for antimicrobial 
purposes.  Their commercial appeal lies in superior potency at lower concentrations than 
"bulk" silver.

"Nanosilver is a proven antimicrobial agent whose reliability is being jeopardised 
by the commercialisation of people's fear of bacteria," Dr Gunawan said.

"Our use of it needs to be far more judicious, in the same way we need to 
approach antibiotic usage. Nanosilver is a useful tool but we need to be careful, 
use it wisely and only when the benefit outweighs the risk.

"People need to be made aware of just how widely it is used, but more importantly 
they need to be made aware that the presence of nanosilver has been shown to cause 
antimicrobial resistance."

What is also needed, Dr Gunawan said, is a targeted surveillance strategy to 
monitor for any occurrence of resistance.

Professor Harry said the findings were a significant contribution to addressing 
the global antimicrobial resistance crisis.

"This research emphasises the threat posed to our health and that of the environment 
by the inappropriate use of nanosilver as an antibacterial, particularly in ordinary 
household and consumer items," she said.

The article Widespread and Indiscriminate Nanosilver Use: Genuine Potential for 
Microbial Resistance is published in the journal ACS Nano.

( http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/acsnano.7b01166 )

UTS


(c) 2016 HEALTHCANAL - Medical News. All Rights Reserved.

https://www.healthcanal.com/


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Re: CS>Black Salve

[Jason Eaton]

Hi PT:

I don't know the exact shelf life, but I've used a 2 year old jar.  I 
always keep it refrigerated, which helps extend the shelf life.


Kind Regards,

Jason


On 3/30/2017 7:35 PM, PT Ferrance wrote:

Thanks.  Do you know what its shelf life is?
Tel told me many years ago that it didn't have a shelf life and that 
if it dried out it just needed to be rehydrated but that doesn't make 
sense to me as it would seem to me the herbs would weaken over time.

PT



*From:* Jason Eaton <jasoneaton...@gmail.com>
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Thursday, March 30, 2017 9:41 PM
*Subject:* Re: CS>Black Salve

Hi PT:

I use Cansema (renamed as Amazon Black Topical Salve) from Alpha Omega
Labs.  US and Canada:

https://www.herbhealers.com/salves-and-tonics

Chances are, you don't need the deep tissue version (has ingredients
added like DMSO) unless you have a really troubling skin cancer issue.

Kind Regards,

Jason


On 3/30/2017 6:11 PM, PT Ferrance wrote:
> Hi Jason,
> Where does one purchase a reputable black salve these days?
> Thanks. PT
>
>
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> *From:* Jason Eaton <jasoneaton...@gmail.com 
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> *Sent:* Thursday, March 30, 2017 6:19 PM
> *Subject:* Re: CS>Black Salve
>
> Hi Phil:
>
> ...like most things @ Natural News, this article should have been
> written MUCH better.  It is misleading.
>
> While Greg has blood root in his black salve, the "secret" that makes it
> better than traditional formulations is the addition of zinc chloride.
>
> Like mentioned by another on the list, you have to use a traditional
> salve much differently than something like Cansema.
>
> Here is an interesting "splash" photo journal of black salve, clay and
> silver:
>
> http://www.eytonsearth.org/skin-cancer-salve.php
>
> ...this is a relative of mine, and the individual used it completely
> "wrong" and still got great results. :)
>
> ~Jason
>
> On 3/30/2017 3:09 PM, Phil Morrison wrote:
> >
> > Fascinating report on Black Salve.
> >
> > And Greg Caton.
> >
> >
> >
> 
http://www.naturalnews.com/039803_Indian_black_salve_cancer_cure_herb.html

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Re: CS>Black Salve

[Jason Eaton]

Hi PT:

I use Cansema (renamed as Amazon Black Topical Salve) from Alpha Omega 
Labs.  US and Canada:


https://www.herbhealers.com/salves-and-tonics

Chances are, you don't need the deep tissue version (has ingredients 
added like DMSO) unless you have a really troubling skin cancer issue.


Kind Regards,

Jason


On 3/30/2017 6:11 PM, PT Ferrance wrote:

Hi Jason,
Where does one purchase a reputable black salve these days?
Thanks. PT



*From:* Jason Eaton <jasoneaton...@gmail.com>
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Thursday, March 30, 2017 6:19 PM
*Subject:* Re: CS>Black Salve

Hi Phil:

...like most things @ Natural News, this article should have been
written MUCH better.  It is misleading.

While Greg has blood root in his black salve, the "secret" that makes it
better than traditional formulations is the addition of zinc chloride.

Like mentioned by another on the list, you have to use a traditional
salve much differently than something like Cansema.

Here is an interesting "splash" photo journal of black salve, clay and
silver:

http://www.eytonsearth.org/skin-cancer-salve.php

...this is a relative of mine, and the individual used it completely
"wrong" and still got great results. :)

~Jason

On 3/30/2017 3:09 PM, Phil Morrison wrote:
>
> Fascinating report on Black Salve.
>
> And Greg Caton.
>
>
> 
http://www.naturalnews.com/039803_Indian_black_salve_cancer_cure_herb.html




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Re: CS>Black Salve

[Jason Eaton]

Hi Phil:

...like most things @ Natural News, this article should have been 
written MUCH better.  It is misleading.


While Greg has blood root in his black salve, the "secret" that makes it 
better than traditional formulations is the addition of zinc chloride.


Like mentioned by another on the list, you have to use a traditional 
salve much differently than something like Cansema.


Here is an interesting "splash" photo journal of black salve, clay and 
silver:


http://www.eytonsearth.org/skin-cancer-salve.php

...this is a relative of mine, and the individual used it completely 
"wrong" and still got great results. :)


~Jason

On 3/30/2017 3:09 PM, Phil Morrison wrote:


Fascinating report on Black Salve.

And Greg Caton.


http://www.naturalnews.com/039803_Indian_black_salve_cancer_cure_herb.html



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Re: CS>Black Salve

[Jason Eaton]

Hi Diane:

Yes, Greg is free now.  As I understand it, he served out his remaining 
original sentence after they grabbed him and took him back to the U.S. 
Then, after release, he returned to Ecuador.


~Jason


On 3/30/2017 11:46 AM, Diane Mackey wrote:
Jason, is Greg free now?  I would really love to hear his whole 
story.  I remember when they grabbed him in Ecuador but have not heard 
much since.


On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 2:37 PM, Jason Eaton <jasoneaton...@gmail.com 
<mailto:jasoneaton...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Hi Jean:

I just chatted with Greg Caton online last week.  He is doing
fine, and his business (including black salve) is still run out of
Ecuador.

Their USA and Canada store is here:

http://www.herbhealers.com/store/ <http://www.herbhealers.com/store/>

Kind Regards,

Jason


On 3/30/2017 11:15 AM, Jean Baugh wrote:

Hi,

Warning about Alpha Omega Labs!  If you know about Greg Caton,
then you know to avoid his old website because the gov
bankrupted him, imprisoned him, let him out of prison early if
he signed a promise to not sell black salve, he went to
Ecuador and sold it there, then our gov kidnapped him and put
him back in prison.  I don’t know Greg’s current status but
the FDA allowed a scammer to sell fake black salve on his site.

There used to be a lady in CA by the name of Pat Weissleader
of Desert Hot Springs, who sold it but the last time I heard
of her, they were after her big time. She disappeared from the
internet and I have no idea if she is alive or not.  She had a
good heart and cured her cancer and was trying to help others
and even gave the recipe to make your own.  I had the recipe
but lost it in a computer crash.

I’ve bought from Greg’s wife in Ecuador, Pat from CA and one
place in Australia.   Perhaps Greg’s wife is still selling the
black salve in Ecuador.

Debbie recommends a group on Facebook so that would be the
direction I’d go first.

If I suspected cancer, would buy black salve from more than
one place, use one, then use the other if the first one didn’t
work react.

Jean

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alpha omega labs is still selling a powerful black salve. They
have other interesting products.

Some black salves dont have the escharotic character, like
Christophers.  The use would be very different


On 3/30/2017 9:04 AM, Lena Guyot wrote:

Hi Dan,
I've got my black slave from:
Quailwood Herbal
Dewey, AZ 86327

quailwoodherbal.com <http://quailwoodherbal.com>
<http://quailwoodherbal.com>
928-759-9257 

They came well-recommended to me and I was impressed with
their very thorough enclosed instructions.
Be well,
Léna




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Re: CS>Black Salve

[Jason Eaton]

Hi Jean:

I just chatted with Greg Caton online last week.  He is doing fine, and 
his business (including black salve) is still run out of Ecuador.


Their USA and Canada store is here:

http://www.herbhealers.com/store/

Kind Regards,

Jason


On 3/30/2017 11:15 AM, Jean Baugh wrote:

Hi,

Warning about Alpha Omega Labs!  If you know about Greg Caton, then 
you know to avoid his old website because the gov bankrupted him, 
imprisoned him, let him out of prison early if he signed a promise to 
not sell black salve, he went to Ecuador and sold it there, then our 
gov kidnapped him and put him back in prison.  I don’t know Greg’s 
current status but the FDA allowed a scammer to sell fake black salve 
on his site.


There used to be a lady in CA by the name of Pat Weissleader of Desert 
Hot Springs, who sold it but the last time I heard of her, they were 
after her big time.  She disappeared from the internet and I have no 
idea if she is alive or not.  She had a good heart and cured her 
cancer and was trying to help others and even gave the recipe to make 
your own.  I had the recipe but lost it in a computer crash.


I’ve bought from Greg’s wife in Ecuador, Pat from CA and one place in 
Australia.   Perhaps Greg’s wife is still selling the black salve in 
Ecuador.


Debbie recommends a group on Facebook so that would be the direction 
I’d go first.


If I suspected cancer, would buy black salve from more than one place, 
use one, then use the other if the first one didn’t work react.


Jean

*
From: Max Perrault >
Reply-To: >
Date: Thursday, March 30, 2017 at 11:12 AM
To: >
Subject: Re: CS>Black Salve
Resent-From: >
Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2017 09:13:05 -0700 (PDT)

alpha omega labs is still selling a powerful black salve. They have 
other interesting products.


Some black salves dont have the escharotic character, like 
Christophers.  The use would be very different



On 3/30/2017 9:04 AM, Lena Guyot wrote:

Hi Dan,
I've got my black slave from:
Quailwood Herbal
Dewey, AZ 86327

quailwoodherbal.com 
928-759-9257

They came well-recommended to me and I was impressed with their very 
thorough enclosed instructions.

Be well,
Léna






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Re: CSFrench Clay May Be The Answer to MRSA

[Jason Eaton]

Hi Ed:

Agricur is a French product, and to my knowledge, it is not offered or marketed 
outside of France.

Further, Agricur is not one single clay, but a blend of various clays from both 
France and other parts of the world.

Best Regards,

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  - Original Message - 
  From: m1mar...@aol.com 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 4:21 AM
  Subject: Re: CSFrench Clay May Be The Answer to MRSA


  Anyone know where I can buy some of this Clay?  AGRICUR- FRENCH CLAY.  Ed..





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Re: CSMRSA is running rapant in my wife and children

[Jason Eaton]

Greetings, Moore Family!

The spider bite idea is likely not correct.  It sounds like you have acquired 
CA-MRSA.

THIS is assuming that you are correct when you state that the infection is 
actually MRSA.

Has your doctor actually had the bacteria cultured?

If it is CA-MRSA, then your doctor needs to wake up, as this type of infection 
is treateable with antibiotics, but not the ones he's prescribed to date.

If it is CA-MRSA, then the spread of this infection needs to stop.

Your doctor should have immediately done a risk assessment, and then even 
considered doing a quick vector analysis.

WHile CA-MRSA is susceptible to rifampin, it is obvious that the regime is not 
actually eliminating the infection.  What your brilliant doctor is thus doing 
is encouraging an even MORE aggressive strain of MRSA to develop.

If this is CA-MRSA, then a specialist needs to consider using clindamycin and 
vancomycin.  

Topical Mupirocin has also been used, in conjunction with the right dosages of 
the right antibiotics, effectively.

However, I do not know how far you will get with the MD's.  You may need to get 
a bit more aggressive with them.

If you do not find satisfaction, then you are welcome to email me off list, and 
I would be glad to assist your family with strategies in eliminating the 
infection through alternative methods.

Also, try to FIND OUT where the infection came from.  It would help if you knew 
how it originally ended up in your family.  Identifying this would help prevent 
the possibility of re-infection.

Kind Regards,

Jason

  - Original Message - 
  From: racerti...@aol.com 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 10:34 AM
  Subject: CSMRSA is running rapant in my wife and children


  Hello,

  I am new to the list. I was referred by Hanneke. This all started last year 
when my daughter had what we had assumed was a bug bite that got infected. It 
literally became a large puss filled abscess that exploded one day. Doctor 
subscribed anti-biotic's it went away (for a while). Next was my wife, she 
assumed she was bitten by a spider on top of her index toe. A small red spot 
turned out to be a huge swollen abscess on top of her foot that led to immense 
pain, a laceration for drainage and two weeks of wound packing. Since then my 
son and daughter again have both had pussed filled sores that were treated with 
anti-biotic's. Apparently anti-biotic's are only a temporary fix. We have 
popped and squeezed them each time they came, knowing if we don't, they will 
become abscesses' again. Well, my wife now has another abscess on top of her 
foot, she went to the doctor this morning, they prescribed Ripafin and Bactrim. 
I was so frustrated this morning, I began to research, leading me to this list. 
Another illness they all suffer from is the whooping cough. The only thing 
that's seams to help is less dairy, cough suppressant, sleeping with their 
heads elevated and time. But the cough and sores always come back.

  I want to try CS, so whats the best way? OxySilver is expensive and states 
home brews are dangerous because they dont have nano size particles. I can 
afford Oxy Silver for a while, but what about the silver coin in fresh milk 
trick. There must be a common ground here. Thanks, the Moore Family

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Re: CSFrench Clay May Be The Answer to MRSA

[Jason Eaton]

Hi Gayla:

French green clay by Argiletz is NOT directly antimicrobial, although it has 
been successfully used against infections.

Kind Regards,

Jason

  - Original Message - 
  From: Gayla Roberts 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 7:24 AM
  Subject: Re: CSFrench Clay May Be The Answer to MRSA


  
http://www.herbalcom.com/store.php3?list=catsalpha=yeslett=e-hE-Hsession=907f8f8e7ecf004985bb4e5681429d07

  Look for French green clay
  Gayla Roberts
  Always Enough Ranch
  Acampo, California
  aera...@gmail.com 

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From: m1mar...@aol.com 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 4:21 AM
Subject: Re: CSFrench Clay May Be The Answer to MRSA


Anyone know where I can buy some of this Clay?  AGRICUR- FRENCH CLAY.  Ed..






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Re: CSWater distiller (UNCLASSIFIED)

[Jason Eaton]

Water distiller (UNCLASSIFIED)HI Robert:

I prefer using a PWT meter, such as one offered by Hanna Instruments.

I prefer to start with water that tests at 0.3 uS.

I test the water before I add the water to the container, after the water is 
placed in the container, and then after the silver electrodes are added to the 
container.

I won't use distilled wtaer that reads 1.0 uS or greater.

I also test the PH of the distilled water.

If the PH is too far away from 7.0, or if I can't get a stable reading on the 
PH, I get suspicious ( one must use a calibrated digital PH meter, and not 
papers ).  I might then re-ozonate the water, as I suspect that it might be 
possible that the water is contaminated with dissolved plastics.

Dissolved plastics may not register on a PWT or TDS meter.

Best Regards,

Jason

- Original Message - 
  From: Medwith, Robert J Mr CIV USA AMC 
  To: cs 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 11:26 AM
  Subject: CSWater distiller (UNCLASSIFIED)


  Classification:  UNCLASSIFIED 
  Caveats: NONE 


  I got to thinking (terrible I know)  about my distiller and how I measure the 
water. 
  I use my TDS and get a 0 maybe I should have something better to test the 
water with. 
  Maybe I do not have as good a water as I think, this could explain why I had 
problems in past 
  (and some times now) where my wife says I am turning gray in the face. 
  I have backed off on consumption and strength of CS. Maybe I need to look 
harder at my distilled water that I am using. 
  I back off on the CS and color gets better. What is best for testing the 
distilled water and how good should it be. 
  I have never cleaned my distiller either, before I do clean it I should test 
it first. 
  So what do I need to buy to test it with. I have been praising my Love 
distiller, maybe it is not as good as I think. 
  I will let you all know what I find out before and after. Right now I need 
some thing to test with. 



Bob 

  Classification:  UNCLASSIFIED 
  Caveats: NONE 

Re: CSCS: Molecula Silver .. comments please

[Jason Eaton]

Hi Connie:

I don't want to be too harsh, but...

Molecula silver appears to be just a silver nitrate.

It tests at 250 PPM for nitrates, and has a PH level 1.64.

Actual measureable silver content is less than 1 part per million.

Watch out for any silver product with a low PH, because it will usually either 
be a silver citrate or silver nitrate, neither of which can be described 
honestly as being molecular, most of which ( but not Molecula ) can quickly 
cause argyria.

Dennis Richard became so impressed with the Molecula Silver that he began 
selling it a few weeks ago.

*nods as usual, umm humm*

For anyone with a degenerative condition, certainly including cancer, it is 
best to take the Molecula Silver in tandem with the MMS. Dennis now offers a 
starter kit

*ummm humm*

Obviously, the molecula silver must not be very effective if one must use the 
MMS with it.  Both of these substances need to be studied independently of each 
other.  These guys need to stop confusing people.

The makers claim that the silver has been reduced to a size so small that it 
can no longer be identified as silver.

If this is true, then the silver must have been reduced using plasma or 
implosion technology and rendered it into pure energy.  And if that were true, 
then one would need to use a crystal to act as a stabilizing transducer.

This is not out of the realm of feasibility.  However, the fact that their 
product is loaded with nitrates tells me that this isn't very likely.  There 
are only a handful of people walking around that have the knowledge to do such 
scientific feats, and they aren't talking.

AND IT IS DEFINATELY NOT nano-particle... Why?  Because we can measure those, 
and they state that their silver is in a non-measurable form.  So which is it?  
Magically small silver particles existing in a quantum state, or nano-crystals? 
 It can't be both.

It's most likely just a homeopathic form of silver nitrate.

The big problem I have with groups such as the ones quoted, is that they are 
very quick to jump on the latest bandwagon ( and of course start selling it ).

You really need to study silver for years before claiming any type of authority 
on it.  And you ha better know what a nano-crystal is before talking about it.

But, using Molecula silver won't hurt you, provided you like to consume 
nitrates for no reason.

You have to watch out for the marketing placebo effect, which seems to be 
even more powerful than the standard placebo effect.

The product is illegally labeled, as well.

With that kind of lack of integrity?  Well, not the kind of folks I like to 
hang around with.

( look at all of the cure claims which resulted from the viral marketing of Sea 
Silver...  it took a long time for that rollercoaster to crash )

Kind Regards,

Jason

  - Original Message - 
  From: craehow...@juno.com 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 11:38 AM
  Subject: CSCS: Molecula Silver .. comments please


  After reading the post regarding the cancer free newsletter post and reading 
comment regarding molecular silver I went and google molecular silver..  lots 
of people selling and reports how it was 1 millionth the size of our Colloidal 
Silver.  Then one site reported their concern with the ration of silver to 
nitrates.  So now that I'm thoroughly confused I turn to the group for a more 
informed search for input.  

  Has anyone know of someone who has used it with great results?  or, are you 
using it.  Not sure how the nitrates play a part, or if this was negative 
information just thrown in.

  If it does what the positive input is saying that would be great... just not 
sure what to believe.

  any comments?



  connie



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Re: CSCs dangers..

[Jason Eaton]

Hi Grant:

Anyone who listens to David Hinkson is a glutton for punishment.

However, it, sadly, appears as if David is going to be spending a long time
behind bars ( I don't wish such an experience on anyone ).

I've personally fought with his staff, as they have not been pleased with
my evaluation of their very own silver product.

I know that he has a lot of followers, but I've been watching his crew for
a long time.  Keep in mind that Water OZ started out in Las Vegas, and
I've had the opportunity to talk with those who associated with him before
he ran from Las Vegas under the threat of prosecution.

I think Hinkson's heart is in the right place, and many of their products
might be just wonderful.  But Hinkson is in the business of defrauding the
public, and sadly, he's going to jail for it among other things.  I consider
it defrauding the public when a company refuses to disclose vital
information about products that may effect the health of its users.

As far as silver goes, Hinkson is not qualified to have an opinion.  He
sells a product that we know can cause argyria, and while over the past few
years, they've been reducing the PPM of their retail product, it is still
not marketed honestly.

Best Regards,

Jason


- Original Message -
From: Grant nes...@shaw.ca
To: Silver - List silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 7:04 PM
Subject: CSCs dangers..


 Hi list:
  I personally have been taking c/s internally for approx 5 years
now.
 I recieved  the following snip from another alt. medicine list I belong to
 referring to dangers of taking  c/s internally. Can anyone of the great
Gurus
 we have on our list offer any comments.?? And  how much validity should
one
  attach to the  this info..???

 Anyone
   Thanks ...Grant..
 **
 Snip..

 David Hinkson explains it quite well when he says colloidal anything is
not
 ionic or angstrom in size and will lodge in the tissues eventually causing
 problems. CS is good for killing bacteria on contact but then so is H2O2.


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Re: CSCS and H2O2

[Jason Eaton]

Hi Marshall:

On three occasions, I utilized a low PPM highly ionic EIS made with the old
silverpuppy generator.

I added a few drops of 35% h2o2 into about four ounces of CS.  I checked the
tyndall before and after; a pronounced tyndall effect was present after
adding the H2O2.

After one to three days, no tyndall effect was present.  No fall-out was
present in the glass container I used for the experiments.  The taste of the
sol indicated that it was highly ionic.  H2O2 PH testing strips indicated
that there was still between 25-50 PPM ( had to estimate with the testing
strips ) H2O2 in solution.

One little tiny silver sparkly or minute silver flake seems to throw that
all off.

I haven't tried any h2o2 experiments with Ken's newer generator, but I
assume it would be similiar to Trem's units.  There seems to be a higher
particulate content, and the reaction with the particles can go on for days,
likely even weeks with enough h2o2.

Best Regards,

Jason



- Original Message -
From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: CSCS and H2O2


 Jason Eaton wrote:

  Hi Marsall:
 
  I've been following everyone's analysis of the h2o2 silver issue with
  interest.
 
  There appears to be a great problem when trying to theoretically analyze
the
  chemical equation associated with the silver h2o2 reactions.
 
  To sum the problem up, there are different reactions that occur
depending on
  the attributes of the silver product used.
 
  In other words, when I make CS using the old coyote silver generator, I
get
  a markedly different end product than if I use silver made with Trem's
SG7.
 
  Awhile back, I got into a lengthly discussion with an individual
involved in
  the water purification industry.
 
  His contemporaries felt that it was absolutely ludicrous  to even
consider
  that h2o2 caused an atomization/ionization of silver particles.  They
use
  hydrogen peroxide to reclaim silver from waste waters.  The hydrogen
  peroxide causes...all of the silver... to fall out of suspension (
become
  insoluable ).
 

 I think he may be looking at elephants, and we are looking at gnats.
Since
 silver oxide only has a solubility of 13 pm, if you have any significant
silver
 content, most of it will fall out.  But we typically work with 10 or less
ppm,
 so in that case we do not see fall out (although I certainly did when I
tested
 the H2O2 on metallic silver).  And if there is virtually any chlorine in
the
 mix,  most of that will end up becoming silver chloride and falling out as
well.
 If there is any developer in the mix, then the AgO will plate out as
silver
 particles and precipitate as well.  Developer can be tannen, caffine, and
loads
 of other possibilities, including sunlight.

 
  Considering all of my practical experience with the H2O2 silver
combination,
  this obviously through me for a loop.
 
  An associate on another list took a sample of CS, and then CS with H2O2
  added ( same batch ) down to a local water processing plant.  A friend
took
  an SEM ( I believe ) of the before and after, and the resulting images
  strongly indicated that the H2O2 was reducing the silver agglomerates.
The
  results, at any rate, were significant enough to convince the technical
  staff that the H2O2 was indeed resulting in a reaction producing smaller
  silver particles.
 

 As it eats away on the particles they will reduce in size, until at some
point
 they will be gone completely.

 
  My only guess at the moment, is that the colloidal portion of an IES
product
  is acting as a catalyst to enduce a reaction that otherwise would not
  happen.  Is it the kenetic force ( or the zeta potential ) that keeps
the
  silver in suspension?

 I dropped a piece of silver wire into H2O2 and it bubbled, then the water
turned
 cloudy with AgO after a few hours. There was no colloidal part initially
at all.

 
  One thing I do know:
 
  If one utilizes a high quality EIS, about 5 PPM, with a particulate
content
  of about 5%, the H2O2 will ionize all the silver, and the H2O2 will
  stabilize in solution.  I utilized peroxide testing strips to follow
the
  reactions.

 Can you tell me a little more on this?

 
 
  If one creates an EIS with larger agglomerates, small flakes, etc., it
is
  very easy to see the non-soluble silver settle out on the bottom of the
  container.
 
  Also, taking what certainly appears to be a stable H2O2 silver
combination,
  and adding it to drinking water can also result in the silver falling
out
  of suspension within a few days.
 
  Aside from that, I can say that more than one life has been saved by the
  silver h2o2 combination utilized to treat out of control mouth
infections.
 
  I assisted one individual for a year.  It took that long for the
individual
  to save up the money to have the root teeth problems taken care of.
 
  My favorite immediate use combination?  ... is to brew a very strong
  yellow batch of CS

Re: CSCS and H2O2

[Jason Eaton]

Hi Marsall:

I've been following everyone's analysis of the h2o2 silver issue with
interest.

There appears to be a great problem when trying to theoretically analyze the
chemical equation associated with the silver h2o2 reactions.

To sum the problem up, there are different reactions that occur depending on
the attributes of the silver product used.

In other words, when I make CS using the old coyote silver generator, I get
a markedly different end product than if I use silver made with Trem's SG7.

Awhile back, I got into a lengthly discussion with an individual involved in
the water purification industry.

His contemporaries felt that it was absolutely ludicrous  to even consider
that h2o2 caused an atomization/ionization of silver particles.  They use
hydrogen peroxide to reclaim silver from waste waters.  The hydrogen
peroxide causes...all of the silver... to fall out of suspension ( become
insoluable ).

Considering all of my practical experience with the H2O2 silver combination,
this obviously through me for a loop.

An associate on another list took a sample of CS, and then CS with H2O2
added ( same batch ) down to a local water processing plant.  A friend took
an SEM ( I believe ) of the before and after, and the resulting images
strongly indicated that the H2O2 was reducing the silver agglomerates.  The
results, at any rate, were significant enough to convince the technical
staff that the H2O2 was indeed resulting in a reaction producing smaller
silver particles.

My only guess at the moment, is that the colloidal portion of an IES product
is acting as a catalyst to enduce a reaction that otherwise would not
happen.  Is it the kenetic force ( or the zeta potential ) that keeps the
silver in suspension?

One thing I do know:

If one utilizes a high quality EIS, about 5 PPM, with a particulate content
of about 5%, the H2O2 will ionize all the silver, and the H2O2 will
stabilize in solution.  I utilized peroxide testing strips to follow the
reactions.

If one creates an EIS with larger agglomerates, small flakes, etc., it is
very easy to see the non-soluble silver settle out on the bottom of the
container.

Also, taking what certainly appears to be a stable H2O2 silver combination,
and adding it to drinking water can also result in the silver falling out
of suspension within a few days.

Aside from that, I can say that more than one life has been saved by the
silver h2o2 combination utilized to treat out of control mouth infections.

I assisted one individual for a year.  It took that long for the individual
to save up the money to have the root teeth problems taken care of.

My favorite immediate use combination?  ... is to brew a very strong
yellow batch of CS with nearly boiling water, using a current limited
generator and water aggitation.  I first brew a batch of about 10PPM EIS
using the Silver Puppy old model.  Then, I switch to a modified version of
the Silver Puppy Generator; one that does not have the auto-shut down, and
one with a potentiometer wired in ( my thanks to KEN!!! ).

I apply a significant amount of heat, keeping the brew just below boiling,
and I continually reduce the current flow into the water.  If able, I
continue this process for about four or five hours.

Then, I immediately add 2 to 4 drops of 35% H2o2 to 4 ounces of this brew.
The moment the H2o2 hits the EIS, it boils.  I wait about two or three
minutes, then administer the concoction.

This is something one does not want to swallow for at least three to five
minutes ( in other words, the silver is held in mouth ).  Swallowing the
combination too soon will result in the upset stomach commonly associated
with oral h2o2 use.  This is not necessary, as we're not trying to deliver
H2o2 into the stomach.

I developed this method when everything else ( including EIS alone ) failed
to arrest a deep and life threatening infection in a mouth.

Best Regards,

Jason








- Original Message -
From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 7:11 AM
Subject: CSCS and H2O2


 http://www.silvermedicine.org/h2o2archives.html

 http://www.silvermedicine.org/h2o2.html

 Marshall



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Re: CSInteresting Clay Bath/Silver Combination

[Jason Eaton]

Hi David:

I really need to know who is posting my emails to the forums!

Ideally, that message will be removed in short order, as I've asked that it
be removed from the Cure Zone forum.  It compromises some budding
relationships I have with the memorial hospital medical staff, as well as
puts me at risk for FDA action.

However, it still always awes me, even after 11 years of working with
healing clays.

Best Regards,

Jason




- Original Message -
From: David davidgrave...@sbcglobal.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 6:23 PM
Subject: CSInteresting Clay Bath/Silver Combination



 This is pretty interesting stuff :)


 http://www.curezone.com/forums/m.asp?f=97i=991

 David



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Re: CSInteresting Clay Bath/Silver Combination

[Jason Eaton]

Hi David:

Oh, no apologies needed!

I've long allowed the most excellent ladies at curezone.com to utilize a
wide variety of articles written by me over the years.  Their website gets
ALOT of traffic.

I'm glad you brought it to my attention.  I really should have been far more
careful in my wording of the email that went to my small healing clay group.
THAT'S my error!

In fact, I'm going into my own archives to make some corrections to the
original posting.  I should have never named the hospital in my
conversation, and should have been far more careful in my wording of the
initial message!

More and more, I'm working with MD's tired of treatments failing.  NONE of
them want their institutions named in public!  Concerning the healing clays,
I have, in the past, had to nearly forcibly insist that they NOT use it in
their practice.  Naive MD's in the U.S. who get excited don't realize how
quickly they can lose their medical license.  The best healing clays are not
sterile, and I have found the FDA grade clays to be so inferior I won't
touch them.

...it appears even John Hopkins University, center for environmental health
( who in fact actually was involved in the first documented cure of argyria
so severe it not only turned the individual blue -- face, arms, chest,
abdomen-- but it effected his health ) shies away from claims of curing the
incurable.  I've been attempting to contact the infamous Dr. Ziem, who
consulted on the case, for quite awhile.  I spent quite some time with the
individual cured, and the treatment was remarkably similiar to the one
posted previously, utilizing diet and an agressive supplement program... But
the critical treatment? SWEAT CHAMBER treatment.  The individual, having
followed the supplement program, LITERALLY sweat the silver out of his skin.
With each treatment, his skin improved, until no signs of argyria remained.
The silver poisoning was caused by years of working with silver as an
industrial metal smith.  The treatment program took 6-9 months.

It seems that everyone is getting gun shy in this terrorist age about
being in the public eye.

Best Regards,

Jason

- Original Message -
From: David davidgrave...@sbcglobal.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 7:46 PM
Subject: Re: CSInteresting Clay Bath/Silver Combination


 I am sorry Jason I didn't have a clue that was
 connected to you. I was just reading the colloidal
 Silver forum on curezone and thought everyone here
 might find it interesting.  My apologies.
 --- Jason Eaton ey...@cox.net wrote:

  Hi David:
 
  I really need to know who is posting my emails to
  the forums!
 
  Ideally, that message will be removed in short
  order, as I've asked that it
  be removed from the Cure Zone forum.  It compromises
  some budding
  relationships I have with the memorial hospital
  medical staff, as well as
  puts me at risk for FDA action.
 
  However, it still always awes me, even after 11
  years of working with
  healing clays.
 
  Best Regards,
 
  Jason
 
 
 
 
  - Original Message -
  From: David davidgrave...@sbcglobal.net
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 6:23 PM
  Subject: CSInteresting Clay Bath/Silver Combination
 
 
  
   This is pretty interesting stuff :)
  
  
   http://www.curezone.com/forums/m.asp?f=97i=991
  
   David
  
  
  
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Re: CSinfo re BB and Jason too

[Jason Eaton]

Hi Shirley:

Thanks for the inquiry, it IS appreciated!

It's been an interesting journey.  I have a years worth of nerve damage to 
the back/spinal area, according to the physical therapist RN I've consulted.

After spending several thousand dollars trying various forms of treatment, 
including accupuncture, all of which were absolutely non-effective, I started 
clay therapy, which has worked amazingly well.  However, since I'm researching 
as I'm treating, I go several weeks between extensive treatments, so that I can 
gauge the effectiveness of treatment.

Having some time on my hands, I've begun an in-depth research project into 
balneotherapy, to determine the effectiveness and therapy value of true primary 
hot springs, as well as contrasting the effectiveness of hot spring therapy as 
apposed to pelotherapy.

I still have quite a ways to go, but I'm 50% recovered from a back trauma I 
experienced in October.

Of interest:

http://www.eytonsearth.org/balneotherapy.html

I'm having a blast experimenting with geothermally heated natural hot springs 
waters, and I have the opportunity to enlist quite a few of the visitors out 
to this area for personal experimentation!

Warm Regards,

Jason


  - Original Message - 
  From: Shirley Reed 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 2:48 PM
  Subject: CSinfo re BB and Jason too


 Has anyone any additional information about these two men?  I hope they 
are doing well.  We need to hear that they are ok.   pj


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[Jason Eaton]

CSDigest V2004 #582 testosterone, shiney domes  balanceHi Christine!

Bravo!

Where I'm staying for the summer, the hot springs have the reputation of 
assisting hair growth.  Perhaps it is the .1 PPM Silver in the water.  Perhaps 
it is the magnesium, potassium, and calcium, or the minute amounts of Radon and 
Arsenic.

Perhaps the starry-skied  environment is conducive to...  the excercise of both 
tranquility AND virility ( there's a balance for you! ).

What all these things have in common?  Improved efficiency of the metabolic 
processes of the human organism.

My best regards,

Jason

  - Original Message - 
  From: Christine Carleton 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 7:17 PM
  Subject: CS



  'About balding: From a normal balding male. Testosterone causes balding and 
enables virility. You choose. It is not about colloidal silver.'

  Perhaps... perhaps not.  From a normal female ... Can't say I've ever 
experienced the reputed virility difference ... I think what's more important 
is between the ears than a shiney dome.  If one understands the impact of 
hormones and minerals etc. BALANCE is a key.  

  Superior health is all pleasures of life.  CS and CG assist what's 
functioning between the ears thus the enjoyments of virility.   mmm...  Ego 
is good, education may be better.

  Consider what women are like when their hormones are out of balance. Jokes 
are made about it. I think it's similar but different for men - perspectives 
change.  Often the owner of the body may not see it, but some of us can.  
Normal wellness/illness in North America is not necessarily 'normal' elsewhere. 
 Many countries have far superior health to North Americans.  

  Hormones including testosterone are regulated by pregnenolone - 70+ year old 
research.  How come your doctor does not know it? Why are people sicker and 
dying younger?  What evidence is there 'double blind science' is producing 
improving health for the nation?  Male pattern baldness?? It's a good local 
pharma/science sell job but not universal.  Could it be an indication of 
lowered wellness? How come people grow their hair back sometimes even to their 
original colour?  Healing is a balanced paradox - it's an inside job.  The 
Hunza culture who generally have full heads of hair believe exercising daily 
'virility' is good health and are active past 100.  
  Now that's inspiring to move beyond 'normal'! 

  Pregnenolone is the 'grandmother' that produces hormones and creates balance 
for all 'boys and girls'.  Research of Pregnenolone began in the 1930¹s and 
human studies in the 1940¹s. It was tested for its effect on fatigue and auto 
immune disorders and was found to be effective and safe. In 1949 Merck¹s new 
pharmaceutical, cortisone was announced as a miracle cure for rheumatoid 
arthritis. This synthetic hormone could be patented and therefore became a 
lucrative source of money and some side effects. 

  Pregnenolone was a natural substance and had no known side effects.  It could 
not be patented and was therefore essentially forgotten by the medical and 
pharma professions.  

  Our body manufactures pregnenolone from cholesterol.  It has the special 
ability to increase the levels of steroid hormones which are deficient or 
reduce and levels of excess circulating hormones.  Pregnenolone is synthesized 
inside the mitochondria was found to be the basic precursor for the production 
of ALL the human steroid hormones, including DHEA, Progesterone, Estrogen, 
Testosterone, Cortisone, Cortisol and Aldosterone.  Pregnenolone lets the body 
decide how much of the other hormones to manufacture. 

  Seems even with higher education we are getting dumber in Canada.  Since the 
late 1990's the government no longer allows 'regular folks' to avail themselves 
of such hormonal substances over the counter. Lay citizens are considered 
unable to adequately evaluate the effects of hormonal irregularities in their 
own bodies.  Hormone supplements are the exclusive licensed legal territory of 
MD's.   

  A funny coincidence?  After Health Canada legally 'removed' many assorted 
'creams' (www.johnleemd.com) the ubiquitous balance and humour of the universe 
had hormone replacement therapies (HRT) 'blow up' in their face.  Oppsie - 
excess cancer, heart attacks, osteo etc...  General warnings about HRT / 
Premarin were issued world wide 
(http://www.mercola.com/2002/jul/13/estrogen.htm and JAMA July 17, 
2002;288:321-333).   

  Pregnenolone is considered a food supplement.  Health Canada and the FDA 
currently cannot not regulate it the way it does progesterone.  Growth is 
optional.  Consider becoming aware of some folks who see the 'big picture' of 
CODEX and who are trying to do something about 'illusions and phoney studies' 
like the International Alliance of Dietary Supplement Trade Associations 
IAHF.COM j...@iahf.com and the Dr. Rath Foundation, Responsibility for 
Health, Peace  Social Justice. 

Re: CSFurther question re H202 in CS--what is it doing?

[Jason Eaton]

Hi Sol:

There is more than one type of reaction that can occur when H2O2 contacts
silver.

The reaction depends upon the type and quality of isolated silver product
being used. I'm not exactly certain what the nuts and bolts of the
reactions are, but I suspect it has do to with the potential creation of
silver oxide in a solution/colloid.  With a high quality and primarily ionic
silver, where the actual particles are extremely small and well dispersed,
the silver particles are ionized.

Where the EIS is primarily ionic, and the particulate content is decent
without any sparklies or large agglomerates, the silver agglomerates ie
particles are reduced.

In other products, at least some of the silver agglomerates and falls out of
suspension.

The fact that H2O2 can reduce silver particles was demonstrated by taking a
microscopic photograph of EIS before the addition of a minute amount of 35%
H2O2, and comparing the results with the effect of the H2O2.  The work was
done by a water treatment facility, as a favor to an individual on another
CS list.

However, the idea that particulate silver is atomized by the addition of
H2O2 is greatly denied by an entire industry that uses hydrogen peroxide to
reclaim silver from waste products.

My only explanation for the conflicting information is speculation:  The
zeta potential of the silver solution/colloid may be responsible for
preventing the reaction that would normally cause all of the silver to be
removed.  Again, that's only speculation.

In any event, the addition of minute amounts of H2O2 to colloidal silver
does, at least in some cases, improve the effectiveness of colloidal silver.
This is ESPECIALLY true with mouth infections and throat infections.

It is likely that the H2O2 acts to improve effectiveness of silver in at
least one way when used locally:  The reaction itself between the H2O2 and
the silver increases the kenetic delivery of the silver particles/ions.

Best Regards,

Jason


- Original Message -
From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 8:56 PM
Subject: CSFurther question re H202 in CS--what is it doing?


 Ok, I finally thought back to my experiments with adding H202 to
 finished EIS, and I do have another question.
 If the H202 is doing nothing but adding its own conductance, why does
 the conductance keep going up? As in, if one adds a teensy bit of salt
 or baking soda to finished EIS or distilled water, the conductance
 changes, but that is it, it changes and stays there. Adding H202 to EIS,
 the conductance goes up, and up, and up, eventually it stabilizes, but
 I'm back to thinking the H202 does something more than simply adding its
 own conductance?
 Ok, I should try the experiment with H202 and plain DW to see if the
 same up, up, up happens. Tomorrow..
 sol



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Re: CSEIS

[Jason Eaton]

MessageHi Bob:

I coined the term Electrically Isolated Silver several years ago.

There were quite a few reasons for doing so.  We received ( and still do ) 
quite a bit of correspondence from people very new to the CS world who quickly 
become very confused about the different products available under the name 
colloidal silver, ionic silver, even atomic or monoatomic silver.  We 
wanted to make an accurate distinction between silver compounds and true 
isolated silver products.

Technically, Electrically Ionized Silver is not accurate.

Isolated Silver does not have to be created via electrolysis, nor does it have 
to necessarily be ionic.  A true silver colloid made via chemical reaction or 
laser production also fits the true defination of EIS:  Electrically Isolated 
Silver.

In fact, I originally borrowed part of the term by doing cursory research on 
particulate silver created with high powered lasers.

Mesosilver, as an example, is an electrically isolated silver product, with a 
higher particulate content than ionic content.  It's the charge characteristics 
AND the chemical make-up that define an isolated silver.

Naming something accurately is an extremely  powerful thing.  As they say:  
Nomen Est Omen - The name is the destiny.

Consider the fact that a UCLA researcher recorded the wavelength of silver, 
and reproduced this electric signature using a gas discharge tube.  When  he 
emitted this wavelength into a petri dish filled with bacteria, the bacteria 
were killed just as if the bacteria had come into contact with silver ions.

In our pursuit for the most biologically effective silver product, we seek 
isolated silver in its truest form possible with the highest possible 
ogliodynamic properties.

Best Regards,

Jason
  - Original Message - 
  From: bob smith 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 11:39 AM
  Subject: Re: CSEIS


  I have seen it used on this site a number of times. It  was supposed to stand 
for electrically isolated silver.  I am by no means an authority in any 
technical area but to me it stands for electrically ionized silver.  It has 
been pointed out that what we are generating is not Colloidal Silver. I am not 
the author of that position either.   Bob Smith
P.S. I've been meaning to ask you if my shipment arrived O.K.? I wasn't 
worried about it giving you indigestion as I knew you would have plenty of 
CS/EIS to take care of it
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From: Medwith, Robert 
To: 'cs' 
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 10:34 AM
Subject: CSEIS


What is EIS

 Bob


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Re: CSmetcalf

[Jason Eaton]

Hi Ken:

If only!

That is Mark Metcalf's website.

Best Regards,

Jason

- Original Message -
From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@alltel.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 7:50 AM
Subject: Re: CSmetcalf


   Could be wrong
 Perhaps someone else has highjacked his name and old copy and is looking
to
 duplicate what he did way back when.

 Ode

 At 10:42 AM 7/9/2004 -0400, you wrote:
  Looks like Mark Metcalf is seeking another fortune.
 
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CSArgyria cured @ John Hopkins Environmental Health...

[Jason Eaton]

Greetings, everyone!

I hope everyone is having a good late spring/early summer.

Of late, I've been extraordinarily busy. Recently, I've decided to rent a
place
just outside of Death Valley, California, for the summer, for some long
needed
pelotherapy work and research; some time away from the city and its demands.

Last week, making preperations, I was at a small internet cafe in Shoshone
California: C Est Si Bon, which is an exquisite little cafe and coffee house
located nearly in the middle of nowhere. A gentleman was speaking with the
David, cook, server, and owner, and upon introductions, I realized that this
visitor was a clay pottery expert, a chemist, and an artist. Meeting clay
experts of any type is always a pleasure, but the chemistry degree combined
with
the artistic flare combined with clays was certainly a rare combination, and
we
fell into an easy discussion about the different molecular properties of
various
clays.

When the discussion reached the level of possible therapuetic value of
clays, I
mentioned two recent cases I was aware of concerning the successful
treatment of
mercury poisoning. That's where the conversation became very interesting.

It turns out, this individual spent a good many years as an industrial metal
smith. Eventually, something strange started to happen to Spencer. He turned
slate gray, as well as developing many other physical problems. Finally, he
happened to run into an OBGYN while being endlessly misdiagnosed by doctors,
and
the OBGYN diagnosed him on the spot: Environmental poisoning. The MD
recommended that Spencer immediately go to specialists: John Hopkins
University
Environmental Health ( which has since been reorganized into a very large
center
).

The experts of John Hopkins wasted no time getting an exacting diagnosis.
Aware
that blood, hair, and other types of content analysis can be misleading (
which
are the commonly accepted medical methods of diagnosis, buyer beware ),
they
had Spencer take the Melisa Test ( http://www.melisa.org/ ), which does not
test
for the presence of substances, but rather reactions to substances. Melisa
tests, sadly, are still quite expensive for those who don't have the
insurance
to cover the costs.

Spencer came back with positive toxicity for mercury, cadmium, arsenic,
and...
silver. I'm told that his case was documented and studied quite closely as
ground-breaking.

Dr. Grace Ziem ( http://www.mcsrr.org/resources/articles/S3.html ), Ph.D,
once
directory Duke University's medical center, has long been acclaimed as an
MCS
expert of exceptional note, at least until the ABC news network came in and
attempted ( failed ) to destroy her work. I've had my own recent brush with
the
ABC news network, in fact. I recommend those with chemical sensitivity
issues
read the article linked by Grace's name. Dr Ziem was involved in developing
the
recovery plan for Spencer that included many if not all of the ingredients
posted in our Argyria cured section, as well as an aggressive protocol
involving
SWEAT sauna treatment.

WIth the aggressive vitamin and mineral supplement program, Spencer
literally
sweated the silver away. With each progressive sauna treatment, his skin
shed
it's pasty glow, until, after about six months ( if I remember correctly, it
is
possible it was closer to nine months ), his skin was, and remains to this
day,
extremely vibrant and most certainly well. The doctors at John Hopkins
were
not certain what symptoms were associated with what forms of toxicity,
especially where the silver was concerned. However, the treatment strategy
worked across the board, and Spencer even began to utilize green healing
clay
internally for quite some time afterwards. He spoke with admiration and
gratitude concerning the staff of John Hopkins, and was able to close a very
hard chapter of life and move on, retired from the metal smithing.

I hope to get the chance to follow up with Spencer and even possibly Dr
Ziem,
although I know she may be retired by now. If the research material
documenting
the case can be acquired, we can put to rest the myth of the 'incurable'
argyria
for good.

Best Regards,

Jason


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Re: CScansema and Greg Caton

[Jason Eaton]

Hi Shirley:

Greg was set to go to pre-trial a few weeks ago.  It didn't look especially 
good from what I've heard, but I haven't heard since.

You can inquire to:

ja...@altcancer.com

Best Regards,

Jason

  - Original Message - 
  From: Shirley Reed 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 1:11 PM
  Subject: CScansema and Greg Caton


 I was just wondering what was happening with him.  Any idea how to contact 
him or his helpers as I can maybe help a bit financially.  He was very helpful 
to me and I think it is really shameful that he has been treated this way.  pj


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Re: CScansema and Greg Caton

[Jason Eaton]

Hi Shirley:

I should mention that I feel the same way.  I still can't find a suitable 
replacement for a few of their products.

There's more going on than meets the eye with the Alpha Omega case, and woe to 
the powers that be if I yet manage to discover what it is.

Best Regards,

Jason

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  From: Shirley Reed 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 1:11 PM
  Subject: CScansema and Greg Caton


 I was just wondering what was happening with him.  Any idea how to contact 
him or his helpers as I can maybe help a bit financially.  He was very helpful 
to me and I think it is really shameful that he has been treated this way.  pj


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Re: CS[Fwd: [ silvermedicine.org ] ASAP Tested against Probiotics...]

[Jason Eaton]

Hi Mike...

I've written the lab that did the research in India to determine exactly how
they performed their cultures.

The comparison they chose to use was ASAP @ 14PPM, 1.5% H2O2  Which of
course resulted in rapid inhibition of the bacterial growth.

Hopefully, they'll clarify how the testing was done!

Best Regards,

Jason

- Original Message -
From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 6:09 AM
Subject: Re: CS[Fwd: [ silvermedicine.org ] ASAP Tested against
Probiotics...]


 Also, did the testing they were reporting on include any pathogenic
 bacteria for contrast? If they used the same method and ASAP didn't
 kill the bad bugs, it would be a hoot!! grin

 Be well,

 Mike D.


  Hi Marshal:
 
  Thanks for that.  Upon referencing the orginal report:
 
  GYEA and TA were used - ( GYEA is a glucose/yeast agar )
 
  - Jason
 
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 10:56 AM
  Subject: Re: CS[Fwd: [ silvermedicine.org ] ASAP Tested against
  Probiotics...]
 
 
   I suspect they had no idea what they were doing in the test, or did
   the
  test
   purposefully to try and make it look like CS does not kill probiotics.
  
   Is there any information on how the test was run?  I suspect that they
  used agar
   for the test, and as we all know, and my own tests several years ago
  confirm, CS
   will not inhibit growth of ANYTHING when it is immobilized like that.
  Correct
   tests can ONLY be done in a thin broth.  All our tests show 100% kill
   of
  all
   organisms in broth, and 0% kill of all organisms in gelled agar.
  
   Marshall
  
   James Holmes wrote:
  
My initial un-thought-out response was;
   
India...what are they trying to sell...
   
Putting that aside,  I think there was some flaw.  No other tests
have
  found
this to be true.  The only reference I can come up with is the
comments
  of
Dr. Bart A. Flick, the principal inventor of Silverlon.  He said,
We
  have
not found a bacteria that it does not kill.   It is an assumption
on my part that the gut bacteria in this story were included in the
tests.
   
JOH

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Re: CS[Fwd: [ silvermedicine.org ] ASAP Tested against Probiotics...]

[Jason Eaton]

Hi Marshal:

Thanks for that.  Upon referencing the orginal report:

GYEA and TA were used - ( GYEA is a glucose/yeast agar )

- Jason


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From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: CS[Fwd: [ silvermedicine.org ] ASAP Tested against
Probiotics...]


 I suspect they had no idea what they were doing in the test, or did the
test
 purposefully to try and make it look like CS does not kill probiotics.

 Is there any information on how the test was run?  I suspect that they
used agar
 for the test, and as we all know, and my own tests several years ago
confirm, CS
 will not inhibit growth of ANYTHING when it is immobilized like that.
Correct
 tests can ONLY be done in a thin broth.  All our tests show 100% kill of
all
 organisms in broth, and 0% kill of all organisms in gelled agar.

 Marshall

 James Holmes wrote:

  My initial un-thought-out response was;
 
  India...what are they trying to sell...
 
  Putting that aside,  I think there was some flaw.  No other tests have
found
  this to be true.  The only reference I can come up with is the comments
of
  Dr. Bart A. Flick, the principal inventor of Silverlon.  He said, We
have
  not found a bacteria that it does not kill.   It is an assumption on my
  part that the gut bacteria in this story were included in the tests.
 
  JOH
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Garnet [mailto:garnetri...@earthlink.net]
  Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 8:43 AM
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: CS[Fwd: [ silvermedicine.org ] ASAP Tested against
Probiotics...]
 
  Here ya go Marshall...
 
  -Forwarded Message-
  From: Jason / AVRA silverdatawebs...@hotmail.com
  To: silverdatawebs...@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [ silvermedicine.org ] ASAP Tested against Probiotics...
  Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 12:43:48 -0700
 
  Greetings, everyone:
 
  Bob Manfull was kind enough to forward me a copy demonstrating the
selective
  inaction of ASAP on Probiotics.  Laboratory testing was done by Viridis
Bio
  Pharma out of India in March.
 
  ASAP was tested against Lactobacillus acidophillus, Bifidobacterium
longum,
  and two probiotic products:  Lactisyn and Kyo-Dophilus.
 
  ASAP at 10 PPM and at 22 PPM did not inhibit the growth of any of the
above.
 
  Lactisyn contains Lactobacillus lactis, Lactobacillus acidophilus,
  Streptococcus lactis, and Streptococcus thermophilus.
 
  Kyo-Dophilus contains Lactobacillus acidophilus, Bifidobacterium
bifidum,
  and Bifidobacterium longum.
 
  These test results present a million unanswered questions, and should be
  confirmed by other parties capable of doing so.
 
  Best Regards,
 
  Jason
 
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Re: CS[Fwd: [ silvermedicine.org ] ASAP Tested against Probiotics...]

[Jason Eaton]

Hi Marshal:

Not necessarily.

Natural-Immunogenics also uses Agar as the medium which they run all of
their anti-microbial tests.  Sovereign Silver and Argentyn 23 doesn't have
one bit of a problem with the medium; the same can be said for Trem's
Silvergen silver, 'ole Bob's as well.  Hard to say

ASAP has always tested out as a mediocre silver product in the direct
time-kill study comparisons I'm aware of.

Best Regards,

Jason


- Original Message -
From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: CS[Fwd: [ silvermedicine.org ] ASAP Tested against
Probiotics...]


 Then the test was a waste of time and money. It is very well known by
anyone who
 has researched it at all, that CS is virtually totally ineffective in
agar.  It
 has nothing to do with probiotics vs. non-probiotics. The only reason I
can see
 they would have done that test is to try and intentionally deceive those
who may
 not know this.

 Marshall

 Jason Eaton wrote:

  Hi Marshal:
 
  Thanks for that.  Upon referencing the orginal report:
 
  GYEA and TA were used - ( GYEA is a glucose/yeast agar )
 
  - Jason
 
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  From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 10:56 AM
  Subject: Re: CS[Fwd: [ silvermedicine.org ] ASAP Tested against
  Probiotics...]
 
   I suspect they had no idea what they were doing in the test, or did
the
  test
   purposefully to try and make it look like CS does not kill probiotics.
  
   Is there any information on how the test was run?  I suspect that they
  used agar
   for the test, and as we all know, and my own tests several years ago
  confirm, CS
   will not inhibit growth of ANYTHING when it is immobilized like that.
  Correct
   tests can ONLY be done in a thin broth.  All our tests show 100% kill
of
  all
   organisms in broth, and 0% kill of all organisms in gelled agar.
  
   Marshall
  
   James Holmes wrote:
  
My initial un-thought-out response was;
   
India...what are they trying to sell...
   
Putting that aside,  I think there was some flaw.  No other tests
have
  found
this to be true.  The only reference I can come up with is the
comments
  of
Dr. Bart A. Flick, the principal inventor of Silverlon.  He said,
We
  have
not found a bacteria that it does not kill.   It is an assumption
on my
part that the gut bacteria in this story were included in the tests.
   
JOH
   
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Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 8:43 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS[Fwd: [ silvermedicine.org ] ASAP Tested against
  Probiotics...]
   
Here ya go Marshall...
   
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From: Jason / AVRA silverdatawebs...@hotmail.com
To: silverdatawebs...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ silvermedicine.org ] ASAP Tested against Probiotics...
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 12:43:48 -0700
   
Greetings, everyone:
   
Bob Manfull was kind enough to forward me a copy demonstrating the
  selective
inaction of ASAP on Probiotics.  Laboratory testing was done by
Viridis
  Bio
Pharma out of India in March.
   
ASAP was tested against Lactobacillus acidophillus, Bifidobacterium
  longum,
and two probiotic products:  Lactisyn and Kyo-Dophilus.
   
ASAP at 10 PPM and at 22 PPM did not inhibit the growth of any of
the
  above.
   
Lactisyn contains Lactobacillus lactis, Lactobacillus acidophilus,
Streptococcus lactis, and Streptococcus thermophilus.
   
Kyo-Dophilus contains Lactobacillus acidophilus, Bifidobacterium
  bifidum,
and Bifidobacterium longum.
   
These test results present a million unanswered questions, and
should be
confirmed by other parties capable of doing so.
   
Best Regards,
   
Jason
   
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Re: CSThe Foolish Experiment

[Jason Eaton]

Hiya Steve:

That's from Bob Lee... Here's his account, with the names and locations
removed ( sorry about the name's removed, I use this on our testimonials
section ):

Greeting Glorious Ones of CS,

A Test: Do not do this at home.

A few military friends of mine got together last week for the usual yak-yak
about military things. The talk came around to the anthrax shots. I opened
my mouth and said they wouldn`t need them if all the military were taking
colloidal silver. A long discussion then went on, at the end we had decided
to set up a real he-man, macho, walk the walk test.

Cold brew will do things to normally intelligent people. This was not a
smart thing to do, but please consider who our small group is. One was me,
[ name removed ], ex-seal from Nam, One ex-Army Ranger, [ name removed ],
from Desert Storm, and one ex 82nd Air Borne from Bosnia, [ name removed ],
(paratrooper). I`m the oldest, they are young guys.

The test was to eat rotten meat and see if the colloidal silver would
prevent problems. We agreed that if anyone became ill we would wait for at
least a 103 F degree fever before taking colloidal silver. If it (the CS)
did not work we would go to the ER at a fever of 105 degrees F. The ER was
only a few blocks away at [ name removed ] Hospital.

Then we decided that one, [ Observer ], would be the observer, and the other
two would eat the rotten meat. Then we decided that one meat would be
treated with colloidal silver and one not. OK, so here we go to [ name
removed ]'s house and get the rotten meat he was going to throw out, it
smelled very bad and strong. [ Name Removed ] is baching, so whats new. We
made two patties of about 1/4 lb each, hamburger size.

One was put in a bowl and CS poured over it and kneeded well in the CS and
made into a patty again. The other one was untreated. We drew straws to see
who got each patty. I got the CS one and [ Victim ] got the untreated one.
We ate them, with a little beer to blunt the taste of them. Really macho.
:-) Then we waited.

After half an hour [ Victim ] developed a stomach ache, which proceeded to
get worse. He had classical symptoms of food poisoning (botulism). I did not
develop any symptoms at all. His temperature began to rise so we decided to
use the CS right away at about 101.5 F. [ Victim ] took four tablespoons of
CS every 15 minutes for 90 minutes (1 1/2 hrs). Temperature held steady then
began dropping; took CS at four tablespoons every 30 minutes, and by the end
of four hours he was feeling normal again.

Continued CS at four tablespoons once an hour until the end of six hours
just to make sure the botulism was gone. That was Saturday, now its Monday
and still OK. The colloidal silver was 9ppm, active. So what does it prove
(besides our dumb idea)?

Well, the colloidal silver treated meat was rendered safe. This showed that
CS can treat rotten food in an emergency if need be with CS. It proved to us
it would stop botulism. I usually take CS before eating out anyway.

It proved we shouldn`t drink so much at one time. Now [ names removed ] are
using colloidal silver. :-) Now I feel better about them and their health.

Bless you [ Name Removed ]


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From: S  J Young you...@konnections.net
To: Silver List silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 7:02 PM
Subject: CSThe Foolish Experiment




  Some years ago someone posted a very interesting and humorous account of
he
 and his buddies
  having a few drinks, then deciding to try an ill-advised
  experiment by eating some very spoiled food - meat I think.  They got
quite
  ill, then drank some CS (or EIS for you purists) and quickly recovered.

  If someone has that account, I and probably most of the rest of the list
  would appreciate seeing it reposted.

  Thanks,
   --Steve Y.



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Re: CS Indigo People

[Jason Eaton]

Greetings, all:

I always love when such a topic comes up; it reminds me of pre-Nazi Germany.

Fear not.  What is not real, never was and never shall be.  What is real,
always was, and cannot be destroyed.

- Bhagavad Gita

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from a commentary On the Course of Miracles:
It is not hard to see how we try to belittle our brother when we attack him.
It is much more difficult to see how we are doing the same thing when we
elevate a person to idol status thereby reducing the importance of all our
other brothers . Idols come in many forms: they could also be material
objects, sickness or other sought after experiences 'good' or 'bad'. When we
believe in idols we are teaching fear not love...

... It is to these idols we worship and seek to find our salvation...

There never was a time an idol brought
You anything except the gift of guilt.
Not one was bought except at cost of pain,
Nor was it ever paid by you alone.
  - Course in Miracles

--

Therefore,
when the great Way was forsaken,
there was humaness and righteousness
When cunning and wit appeared,
there was great falsity;
When the six family relationships lacked harmony
there were filial piety and parental kindness
When the state and royal house were in disarry
there were upright ministers.
...
Who is puffed up cannot stand,
Who is self-absorbed has no distinction
Who is self-revealing does not shine
Who is self-assertive has no merit,
Who is self-praising does not last long

As for the Way, we may say these are
excess provisions and extra baggage.
Creation abhors such extravagances.

Therefore,
One who aspires to the Way,
does not abide in them.

- Chinese Tao Te Ching



I could go on representing the world's spiritual knowlegebase concerning
such subjects, as this point is not about any particular religious or
atheistic, naturalistic, or scientific idealogy.  Suffice it to say that the
ignorant often discover something that has been self-evident for thousands
of years, form a new attribution to it, and work heartily to profit off of
it.

Luckily, cyclic as nature is, it is eventually, self-corrective.

As a recovering indigo child ( much like a recovering alcoholic ), when in
the world, when meeting those of more... new age disposition who still
occassionally ask or comment about the matter, my favorite response is:

Have you ever heard of  the Faustian interpretation of Mephistophiles?

- Jason



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CSimmune bugs Part I

[Jason Eaton]

Please remember that Bob Beck never really invented anything.  Like Hulda
Clark, he did cursory research and took bits and pieces from many different
researchers, and while Beck was very vocal, he wasn't exactly very thorough
in his research.

A primary problem with HIV as a pathogen may not be with the lymphatic
system per se; but with fat cells.

http://www.aegis.com/news/re/2002/RE020911.html

The lymphatic system can be rapidly effected and cleansed using a wide
variety of effective methods, but the fat cells and fatty tissues are an
entirely different story.  I don't personally believe that fat cell
infection is limited to those using anti-HIV drugs.

http://www.health-truth.com/articles/hiv03.asp

Pulsing light and other frequencies into the body may prove to have some
benefit; however, dismal failure has been reported by many people
independently attempting to treat lethal illness with a variety of
machinations such as Rife machines.  Rife himself killed alot of animals via
his experimentation, because he did not have a solid theory to base to his
observations on, and therefore utilized trial and error quite a bit.  These
base idea are great ones, but the methods of control of are stone-age.

The same can be said with the various types zappers, which, while many
people have documented an effectiveness, cannot be effective for the
theoretical reasons outlined, or else effectiveness against a single given
condition would be uniform.  I tested a zapper on a confirmed parasite
infection ( documented exposure to infected waters and matching symptoms ),
and it had only a cursory effect.  H2O2, bentonite, and a zapper protocol
had to be utilized to eliminate the infection.

Colloidal silver, when a good quality is used regularly ( 2-3 times daily to
keep the silver titrated ), we believe will eliminate the symptoms of AIDS,
provided that drug use has not overly contributed to the destruction of the
body.

I've followed a handful of cases of successful use of CS to treat AIDS,
including one case resulting in seven years of remission via oral use of CS
made with the basic 9 volt battery generator.

Unfortunately, this particular user stopped using colloidal silver to make a
point to his primary MD, and rapid and irreversible decay of health occured
within 30 days.

Concerning taking electricity in any form, and applying it to the body,
below is a copy of an article:

Rife History by Ilonka Harezi

The history of the Rife Frequency Generator begins in the 1930's; however,
the research originates in 1880, and the very first patents were issued in
1890 to Fisher. Rife happened to land an over-ealous journalist named Barry
Lyons who made him into a folk hero with the book The Cancer Cure That
Worked - In these early years there were many hero experimenters like Tesla,
Lakhovsky, Voll, Nagier, etc., who all contributed to the technology.

However, because of the Rife controversy, concentration will be on his
legacies and early instrumentation.

Rife developed five powerful optical microscopes, the most powerful of which
is known as the Universal Microscope. It was developed in 1933, consists of
5,682 parts, and is so called 'powerful' because of its ability to view
accurately microorganisms in their natural habitat Rife, while observing
bacteria, virus, and fungi utilizing his microscope, was able to observe
their demise by applying energy derived from the frequency of a square wave
generator. We know for a fact this was true because of some fuzzy archive
film. The mystery was that no one else could get it to work but Rife.

Rife's associate, John Crane, sold the microscope to Barry Lyons and was to
be part of the company Lyons was putting together. Curiously, he didn't give
them a few parts that were required until he felt comfortable with the deal.

As it ended up, there were hard feelings and Crane didn't give the much
needed parts to Lyons. However, even with all the parts, no one was ever
able to make Rife's Microscope work. There is a complete Universal
Microscope in England, and no one can make it work!! It sometimes took 48
hours to align the microscope. Did Rife drop into a radionic, altered state
of consciousness to align it? Maybe so.

There are two microscopes that work with similar magnification. One is from
Germany, the Ergonam, the other from Canada, invented by Gaston Nissan.
There is controversy over both of them. Lining up the nonlinear optics that
are necessary can only be done through laser or some type of subtle energy
optical scalars.

Audio frequency generators of the 1930 era were large, bulky, and subject to
frequent instability. The electronic instrumentation was crude. Determining
the precise frequency with accuracy was difficult and required quartz
crystal control. It is no wonder that Rife did not publish the frequencies
that caused the demise of virus that he observed. It would have been
difficult for a person other than an expert radio technician or engineer to
determine and 

CS

[Jason Eaton]

( Illonka article quote continued... )

Who's Who

Rife used an instrument built from a SQID Heath Kit It had vacuum tube
electronics which were not accurate. Therefore, whatever the frequencies
were, they had little, if anything, to do with the healing. Through later
research, it has been found that the harmonics of the frequency band is what
made it work. Rife merely substantiated what Lakhovsky knew in 1925. By his
original material ' Rife didn't know the difference between a frequency and
a pulse repetition rate. It was by chance that the vacuum tube oscillation
made his generator successful. He was not aware of matching the body's
impedance and its importance. In order to get energy into the body, it is
necessary to break through the electric field some call the eddy current,
otherwise the energy never enters the body.

In 1977, a researcher from San Diego, Ca. met an associate of Rife to whom
Rife had given a Frequency Generator for his personal use. The researcher
had a relative with breast cancer. She contacted Rife's friend who loaned
the generator to her. After complete success, she asked Ed Skilling, a
pioneer in the field of electromagnetic engineering to duplicate the old
generator.

Ed, using an oscilloscope, converted the numbers on the dial settings to
actual audio frequencies. We must assume that the numbers on the dial
settings were correct, as its use has been successful. However, a problem
developed from the frequencies. Dr. Glen Rein, from Stanford Medical
University, tested the five frequencies invitro and found the two higher
frequencies made some tumors grow faster. Ed went back to the original
machine and found that Rife's friend had taken the liberty of putting two
additional frequencies on the machine.

Bob Beck and Ed Skilling created schematics for the copy generator and gave
them to researchers thinking the technology given to many would not be
suppressed.

Now the plot thickens as several people from California took the schematics
with the five frequencies and started manufacturing in their garage. When Ed
and Bob warned them of the two higher frequencies being deleterious, they
said the 'spirits told them they were okay to use. They ignored all warning
and continued to manufacture and sell. Thus, the QLF was bom. The only
difference between the killing/Beck schematics and the QLF was a crystal
control. Because the frequencies are measured in the hundredths, there could
be a drift of minus 5 or 10 hertz, not creating any noticeable difference
with the frequencies. But a mistake was made in not using a symmetrical
output. It is imperative to have a symmetrical square wave signal that
cancels out to zero, creating a scalar field. The positive has to go to a
certain amplitude and the negative to the same amplitude, with a zero point
being the crossover point If not done correctly, it won't be a symmetrical
wave form and it will not work.

RIFE TECHNOLOGY

In the Fall of 1987, Los Angeles, CA, a group of medical people and
scientists met to discuss the use of electronics to treat AIDS. A few
doctors, headed by Robert Strecker, M.D., believed the Rife Frequency
Generator might be helpful in the AIDS treatment . At that meeting, Ed
Skilling volunteered to create a third generation device with improvements
and solid state dependability to simple setting the three frequencies.

This was based on the second generation unit which had a vernier dial and
digital frequency counter to set precise frequencies as utilized in the
original specifications. Before the third generation was released, Barry
Lyons wrote his book on Rife, The Cancer Cure That Worked, The reason he
wrote the book was to sell a limited partnership, which was not a registered
security, to potential investors. His business plan was to replicate Rife's
work and lease the machines to doctors at $1000 per month. He tried to raise
several million dollars. When Skilling's schematics came out free, and he
built a few generators for researchers at less than $1000, Lyons scheme came
to an abrupt halt. To say the least, Skilling and Beck became Lyons' enemy,
and these hard feelings continue to this day.

The third generation device had three stable solid state integrated circuit
oscillators in which the frequency changes were controlled by a five
position rotary switch. Skilling used the C, D, and E position as the same
frequency. If another frequency was found in the future, it could be added.
The critical electron tube output stage was the same as in the researchers
second generation Rife unit. As previously stated, it was discovered years
ago that the output impedance of the electron tube provides an excellent
match to the human body and allows maximum transfer of energy. A solid state
output amplifier would not work the same, at least in that configuration.
The third research Frequency Generator used the same type circuit as the
second generation device, except for the tube number; however, this
instrument did not prove as 

Re: CSNano Silver?

[Jason Eaton]

Greetings, Ole:

Typical misinformation.  I love the part about a 500 PPM solution being not
strong enough and  0.001 micron sized particles not quite being small
enough.

I also love this:

For any scientific body that wishes to verify these statements about the
parts per million or size of the silver particles in Nano Silver, realize
that almost all ordinary laboratory equipment that is used to identify
ingredients in substances will not work with nano-ized particles, because
they are so small. You must be able to see individual atoms or extremely
small molecules to detect the silver's presence, and most equipment cannot
do this. The strong silver presence in Nano Silver is obvious to anyone who
tastes it, but for mechanical systems, it's very difficult to detect. That's
why it works so well.

It's typical Drunvalo Melchizedek drivel; par for the course.

I'm betting it's just another silver citrate-type product.  Unfortunately, I
tend to get really irritated with this type of promotional abuse.  I'm
assuming they have some sophisticated equipment to test their product @ 2000
PPM?

WATER OZ SILVER was and is very similiar, in both attitude and marketing.
They hid their products true make-up for a long time, until Frank tested it
and revealed what is really was.

Best Regards,

Jason





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Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 1:48 AM
Subject: CSNano Silver?


 Hi,

 Has anyone here had any comparative experiences with a
 new product called Nano Silver, I came across it at

 http://www.spiritofmaat.com/maatshop/n2_main.htm

 Anyone knows the company Advanced Nano Technologies
 who seems to be the manufacturer of this product? I
 cant find any relevant links through gooogle.

 Any related comments or insights about the accuracy of
 the contents of the information in the product
 description would be most welcome, thanks.

 - Ole






 
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Re: CSFurther argyria comments

[Jason Eaton]

Hi Terry:

There are a few problems with the quoted material below.

Fine silver particles, in the form of industrial and silver dust in mining
environments, inhalted into the lungs, used to cause an abundance of argyria
cases.  These cases were not studied medically as much as the proteins and
compounds, because there was no reason to.  Medical attention was given to
silver compounds that might have potential for treatment in humans, and/or
products that were being used as such; therefore, the abundance of medically
related material found was written on these products.

So,  fine silver particles subjected to normal body fluids can cause
argyria.  Here, we then have to focus on particle sizing:

http://www.silvermedicine.org/silver-lung-study.html

Silver particles sized less than 15 nanometers, in one modern study, were
readily eliminated by the lungs; the same can be said for dissolved silver.
Of course, the silver nitrate was not retained in the lungs either, but can
still be retained in other body organs.

Concerning production with impure water, the real primary concern is not the
silver salts formed, it is a) the large particles formed by the runaway
reaction and b) the actual amount of silver ingested by this method.  People
commonly using salt or spring water go through rods pretty quickly; and
they've ingested all of that silver.

I used a silver-puppy generator and tap water  with a dash of salt, and
ran it for an hour with the current limited to about .3 Ma, just to get an
idea of what Stan was drinking.  Less than 15 minutes into the current
limited reaction, tiny flakes of silver were already being deposited into
the water.

Obviously, it makes sense that ingesting a great deal of actual silver in a
short period of time ( a few doses ) presents a greater risk than ingesting
the same amount of silver over days/months/years.

Alexander G. Schauss,  Hopkins PHD though he is, is wrong.  The EPA
established RISK for silver is 3.8 grams, not per day, but over a lifetime.
You'd have to chop tiny silver chips to ingest 3.8 grams a day or mix ground
silver with your water, and doing so would not turn you blue, it would
eventually kill you, probably before you turned blue.  Silver is going to be
retained in the major organs prior to the skin; this has been demonstrated
over and over with lab rat type studies and autopsies.

The established minimum critical dose is 1.9 milligrams daily.  While this
number is contested, it's a pretty close approximation to what is accepted
by the World Health Organization and the EPA, and it is based on the
available scientific data, which, granted, has a great many holes that have
never been filled, especially concerning isolated silver products.

At one point, I attempted to enduce argyria by utilizing large amounts of
silver orally and via a nebulizer.  Alot of interesting observations were
made during this period, but argyria was not one of them.  I am able to
drink extraordinary amounts of good isolated silver, and my risk for argyria
is not equal to others', as I have a fast burning metabolism, a very healthy
liver, kidneys, and a digestive system that is managed via natural medicine
( at least that's what my accupuncturist states ).

Best Regards,

Jason








- Original Message -
From: Terry Chamberlin tcj...@yahoo.ca
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 11:20 AM
Subject: CSFurther argyria comments


 Quoting from Alexander G. Schauss, Ph.D.

 ...you should be advised that we recently completed
 an extensive review of the scientific literature on
 the safety of silver, especially as it relates to its
 one known potential side effect, namely, Argyria.
 Argyia is an irreversible discoloration of the pigment
 (skin) caused by excessive silver intake or chronic
 exposure to silver by certain tissues. The amount of
 silver required to develop Argyria is estimated to be
 3.8 grams per day. By comparison, standard 10 ppm
 colloidal silver contains silver in amounts equaling
 less than 1 milligram of silver (1,000 micrograms = 1
 milligram; 1,000 milligrams - 1 gram), which therefore
 represents an amount approximately 1/500th to 1/1000th
 of the amount of silver considered to be a risk in the
 development of Argyria.

 And again We know that dogs died from injections of a
 type of protein-bound silver in dosages ranging from
 500 mg to 1.9 grams of silver depending on the
 frequency of administration. This was equivalent in
 silver content to giving [per day] a 150 pound adult
 between 150 litres and 570 litres of 10 ppm colloidal
 silver, or between 75 and 285 liters of 20 ppm
 colloidal silver or between 50 and 190 litres of 30
 ppm colloidal silver. The 10 gram estimated lethal
 dose for humans from Goodman and Gillman is equivalent
 to 1000 liters of 10 ppm colloidal silver.

 Quoting another silver-list member:
 Argyria is caused by the same mechanism that is used
 when developing photographs. It is the same thing. If
 you start with a 

Re: CSReversing Argyria

[Jason Eaton]

Hi Marshal:

Thanks for the link.

Actually, the conversation went like this:

Damian asked a question about nail growth, Steve answered first, then Peter
answered You can tell by the # of  in the email.

However, all that aside, I think you are right, but I don't think that the
fingernails are exclusively made up of these proteins.  As an example, the
amount of boron found in fingernails is 4X the amount found in the
bloodstream ( normal levels ).

Steve is pretty certain about the role of calcium carbonate, however:

http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/zoo00/zoo00265.htm

It's an interesting topic, and I've been looking into it a bit deeper.

We can see that toxic substances in the body often find their way out of the
body via the fingernails:

http://www.unu.edu/env/Arsenic/Nahid.pdf

Best Regards,

Jason



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From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 5:43 AM
Subject: Re: CSReversing Argyria


 I believe you read that wrong.  A 20 year old named damian said it was
calcium
 carbonate, Steve said it was keratin, which is a protein like I said.

 See http://www-biol.paisley.ac.uk/courses/stfunmac/glossary/collagen.html

 Marshall

 Jason Eaton wrote:

  Hi Marshal:
 
  Not... according to Steve Sample, Advanced Placement Biology and
Freshman
  Honors Biology instructor, who also runs, in conjunction with the US
  Department of Energy and Argonne National Laboratory, the Ask a
Scientist
  Program BBS:
 
  http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/gen99/gen99671.htm
 
  Now, I suppose he could be WRONG, but I didn't think to question the
  reference.
 
  Best Regards,
 
  Jason
 
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  From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 1:47 PM
  Subject: Re: CSReversing Argyria
 
   Jason Eaton wrote:
  
Greetings, all:
Calcium has been shown to crystallize in alkaline conditions in the
form
  of
calcium carbonate.  Calcium carbonate is the primary substance of
  fingernail
production.
  
   I don't think so. Isn't finger nails and hair made of collagen, a
protein?
  
   Marshall
  
  
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Re: CSReversing Argyria

[Jason Eaton]

Greetings, all:

The issue concerning the discoloration of the fingertip moons is most likely
directly related to metabolic functions.  I don't think it is per se a
precursor to cosmetic argyria of the face, as one does not always get this
condition before cosmetic argyria of the face, just the same as this does
not always occur with the whites of the eyes.  In other words, one does not
have to get the fingernail condition before the facial condition, and
getting the fingernail condition may not indicate an impending facial
condition, although obviously it may be wise to address the dietary
situation when this occurs in the fingernails.

It seems possible that what is happening is that the silver may be, directly
or indirectly, binding with calcium carbonate in the body, via conditions
present in the biological terrain.

I find it unlikely that we'd be able to unravel this complex mystery very
easily, but it is interesting to note that extremely significant changes
occur in calcium distribution in the body based on changes in PH levels.

I also do believe that it is quite possible for silver to crystalize, rather
than simply bind with proteins, in certain conditions, such as reported by
one of Trem's customers.

Calcium has been shown to crystallize in alkaline conditions in the form of
calcium carbonate.  Calcium carbonate is the primary substance of fingernail
production.

I'd venture, however, that the lymphatic system plays a role, as if it
didn't, we'd likely see equal darkness with the toenails.

- Jason








- Original Message -
From: cvincer cvin...@ala.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: CSReversing Argyria


 Hi Matthew,
 This certainly desearves further scrutiny by all who injest silver in what
 ever form. I have a feeling that the onset of darkening/blueing under the
 nails may be the onset of argeria, and is not only dose dependant but is
 also body condition dependent.  It would be nice if we found out by
careful
 monitering of our own nail beds, reporting and comparing notes, and
putting
 all the info together (even though it would all still be anectdotal) that
we
 could control and eliminate argeria by seeing it's onset before it occurs.
 Then, when needed, we could up our intake of supplements like selenium
 combined with reducing our intake of silver etc.  Of course this would not
 normally be required, but it would be good to understand it better and
know
 what to do for one of our loved ones who don't follow directions or
 understand it all as well as we do.  It's fairly common to convince
someone
 to take an alternative supplement without them bothering to learn enough
 about it to do it right...  I'm careful not to encourage the uninformed to
 take something, but sometimes it happens anyway...

 Vince

 Matthew McCann PE writes:

  Good Morning, Sharon.
 
  Thank you for your thought-provoking insight.
  It reminds me of the Arthur Conan Doyle story of
  the watchdog that did not bark in the night.
 
  The most conspicuous lack of melanin in some
  Africans is in their nails. Maybe Caucasians share this
  trait with their brothers and sisters in Africa and
  the Melanesian Pacific Islands and the indigenous
  First Nations of the New World, but don't even
  realize it. This suggests the hypothesis that, indeed,
  the nails are a window to the lower layers of the
  dermis. And that this is where we should look for
  the earliest warning of incipient argyria.
 
  Best regards,
 
  Matthew
  - Original Message -
  From: Sharon tala...@teleport.com
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 5:23 PM
  Subject: Re: CSReversing Argyria
 
 
  Most likely not. I doubt that it would appear as obviously on someone
  dark skinned. Maybe you would see it in the nails though.
  Sharon
 
  There is something that does give me pause, though,
  about the testing and dispensing of CS and Tetrasil in
  Zaire, Ghana, Mexico and Honduras.
  If argyria occurred in Africa or Central America, would
  anybody notice it? Or care?
  
  Matthew


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Re: CSReversing Argyria

[Jason Eaton]

Hi Marshal:

Not... according to Steve Sample, Advanced Placement Biology and Freshman
Honors Biology instructor, who also runs, in conjunction with the US
Department of Energy and Argonne National Laboratory, the Ask a Scientist
Program BBS:

http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/gen99/gen99671.htm

Now, I suppose he could be WRONG, but I didn't think to question the
reference.

Best Regards,

Jason

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To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: CSReversing Argyria


 Jason Eaton wrote:

  Greetings, all:
  Calcium has been shown to crystallize in alkaline conditions in the form
of
  calcium carbonate.  Calcium carbonate is the primary substance of
fingernail
  production.

 I don't think so. Isn't finger nails and hair made of collagen, a protein?

 Marshall


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Re: CSRe: Colloidal Silver in Oz

[Jason Eaton]

Hi Charles:

I believe that Water OZ was determined to be a silver citrate by Frank Key.

Such a product would not be in my top ten for internal use!

Best Regards,

Jason

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From: Charles Sutton cds...@earthlink.net
To: sandee George oha...@juno.com; silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: CSRe: Colloidal Silver in Oz


 Someone needs to test this Silver Oz again.  My understanding from all the
 previous posts is that it is definitely Mild Silver Protein (MSP). MSP is
a
 factor in Argeria, true??

 - Original Message -
 From: sandee George oha...@juno.com
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 10:49 AM
 Subject: CSRe: Colloidal Silver in Oz


  No Marshall, it is genuine Colloidal Silver and most
  who sell it have a reading of 15 ppm - I learned
  the process there myself and am now manufacturing
  it here on the Island of Grenada for local and regional
  use - take care and enjoy a super wonderful day and
  thanks for all the wonderful input from all on the site.
  Regards
  Sandee
 
  
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Re: CSoligodynamism

[Jason Eaton]

Hi Matthew:

Your picking up some nice gems through the old literature, no doubt!

The term Oligodyamic was the result of an observation, and not a theory.
Therefore, all subsequent work, at least that which is available, are
attempts to qualify and quantify the phenomenon, and conclusions from
observational data.

The two most significant contributory factors of the ogliodynamic properties
of silver are particle sizing and surface area.  Therefore, the ogliodynamic
properties of MSP, in any strength, are far less than a quality isolated
silver product, PPM to PPM, or even a silver oxide that releases silver ions
via chemical reaction.

I believe that chemistry is way off of the mark in attempting to understand
the ogliodynamic properties of silver.  To even begin to understand this
realm, we have to divert to new physics, in particular, quantum physics, and
even more particular, non-herzian energy, or standing waves.

To give you an example, please reference the works of Dr. Savely Yurkovsky.
I had the pleasure of corresponding briefly with Dr. Yurkovsky briefly
before the release of his newest book.  You'll have to keep an open mind
here, as the Western World is far behind the ex-Soviets in medical research
in these areas.

To quote Dr. Yurkovsy ( taken from a pre-publish summation of Biological,
Chemical, and Nuclear Warfare ):

What is not so well known is that placing these colloidal silver particles
in a nearby gas discharge tube, and focusing the electromagnetic emissions
from such an operating tube onto the beaker, will also kill the bacteria.
Thus, physical contact between the bacteria and the silver is not a
necessary condition for killing the bacteria.  Further, if one looks at the
optical spectrum of silver and then combines the magnitudes of the optical
output for several light sources of different frequencies so as to closely
simulate the silver spectrum, such a beam of electromagnetic radiation will
also kill these bacteria.  Via this simple example we see that it is the
specific information pattern inherent in the silver atom and not the
physical contact that is killing the bacteria.  And our general present-day
experience with transforming one computer language to another shows us that
the same basic information pattern (the same meaning) can exist in many
different formats.  Thus, to understand the homeopathic/allopathic medicine
duality, we must focus our attention on the various possible information
pattern formats that nature utilizes to express itself.

http://www.scienceofmedicinepublishing.com/medical-articles.html - for some
more articles.


The theories involved are not too far apart from those utilized by the Light
Beam Generator, which has received FDA approval as a lymphatic detoxifyier.

I am preparing a series of experiments that likely will not be acceptable to
the scientific community, but will probably be interesting to everyone else,
based on the works of Tesla and wave form technology.  It won't be for
awhile yet, as the equipment I have to purchase is a bit pricey For
those of us without budgets!  Total equipment cost, including lasers, is
about 7k.

The point of the experimentation will be study the energetic effects of
various silver products.  Having established a baseline, to then try and
coordinate these findings with standard and scientifically acceptable means
of measurement ( AAS and TEM ).  Having established this, the next step
would be to see if the properties of the silver products can be
changed/manipuated and documented using electromagnetic photography.

However, correlating these things with actual in-body effects would be
nearly impossible without a lot of money!

Best Regards,

Jason

- Original Message -
From: Matthew McCann PE
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 6:24 AM
Subject: CSoligodynamism


Hi, Members of the List.

The CS website that disparages
low-level PPMs and extolls high-level
PPMs with mild protein stabilization
overlooks one of the earliest discoveries
about the nature of CS: oligodynamism.

Nageli is credited with discovering this
remarkable property of CS in the 1890s,
though other substances were known
to have it.

One possible explanation for this less
is beautiful phenomenon is that silver
particulates exert an inhibitory effect on
each other. So they need enough space
to be active and/or stable.Does anybody
know of any chemical theory or other
further explanation of oligodynamism?

Best wishes,

Matthew


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Re: CSOligodynamism

[Jason Eaton]

Hi Matthew:

My brief association with Dr. Yurkovsky, like so many things in my life, was
coincidental.  He mistook me for Robert O. Becker!

Yes, we are talking about the same phenomenon; in particular, I have a great
interest in Schumann Resonances.  I wasn't all that directly familiar with
Maxwell's work ( but the idea of Maxwell's Demon comes to mind! )...
Looking at the dates of Maxwell's work, it appears that during his time
scalar standing waves were only theoretical, although the US Military was
secretly working with the technology at least as early as the 1950's.

Doing a bit of research, I find it amazing, that in the 1800's Maxwell
wrote:

... The invention of the Calculus of Quaternions by Hamilton is a step
towards the knowledge of quantities related to space which can only be
compared for its importance with the invention of triple coordinates by
Descartes. The limited use which has up to the present time been made of
Quaternions must be attributed partly to the repugnance of most mature minds
to new methods involving the expenditure of thought 

My introduction to scalar technology was quite different, as I was led to
the ideas by studying healing clays and some ancient hermetic teachings
pilfered ( or so it seems ) by Mouni Sadhu.  I began to acclimate myself to
perceiving these sorts of natural phenominon through meditation and by
utilizing holoform technology.  It is truly a strange place, where mysticism
meets science in a firm handshake.  I'm convinced that the freedom -- or
slavery -- of mankind rests in this and related technologies.  I'm
dissapointed in many modern researchers for not being more open about this
technology.  There's always an alterior motive, so it seems.  Money, fear of
condemnation, even forced national security disclosures are everywhere, not
to mention the outright fraud.  It's a maze out there, especially with the
ressurgence of popularized  Rife technology, which is, I am rapidly
concluding, way off of the mark.  One of my computer science teachers used
to specialize in laser applications, and had a doctorate in physics, who
walked away from the whole field and took up computer animation because he
stated that everything that was being taught was simply obselete and the
University system was light years behind private industry research.

I'd like to, one day, throw myself in the midst of all of that fun, and
start sorting out the fact from fiction!  I think that half of our problem
is not truly understanding the nature of time, space, and gravitation...

If you haven't read this paper:

http://www.silvermedicine.org/colloidalsilveruniversal.html

You might find some interesting information embedded within the text!

In particular:

Taken together, these facts may be of utmost importance to the human body's
strategic use of silver with the plethora of endogenous ROTS ( Radical
Oxygen Toxic Species ) and antioxidant pathways. In other words, if silver
intervenes with pathogens as an ion associated within WBC generated ROTS,
the thermodynamic attributes of the ROTS may enhance immune efficacy that
utilize ROTS to autolyse pathogens, such as: OCl-, the peroxide cascade, NO,
superoxide radical, etc. On the other side of the equation, mammalian tissue
contains antioxidants that tame such ROTS, such as cysteine, selenium,
glutathione, vitamin E, etc.
a.. And finally we must consider what happens after our inherent tissues'
antioxidants reversibly quench silver. At the starting point, a pure silver
ion or colloidal silver aggregate with zeta potential binds into pathogens
or tissue by losing its charge. In cases where human WBC antioxidant levels
are adequate, the deceased pathogen may be phagocytized by a megakaryocyte.
Within the immune cell, this process may be reversible when certain
antioxidants are present such as glutathione, selenium or
N--acetylcysteine.40 This allows for a potential recycling of the metallic
silver particle back into a silver ion, which in turn can thrust another
available silver ion at a prospective pathogen, perhaps freed by the immune
cell upon respiratory burst, or by integrating within its strategic
intracellular ROTS cascade autolysing phagocytized pathogens. Previous work
done with silver sulfadiazine showed it did not have a significant impact
upon neutrophilic respiratory burst at clinical dosage levels.41 However,
the product selected in this study appears to possess at least several
orders of magnitude greater potential, due to its smaller particle size and
dispersion. Further work needs to verify this theory regarding this
product.

I agree with your summation of the origin of MSP, and its historical use.
However, it hard to predict what would, or would not happen, with MSP used
orally.  It does, from every end user report that I have seen, maintain at
least of measure of effectiveness.  I've also, however, received more
reports of strange side effects from MSP than anything else out there, and
one shouldn't think that there 

Re: CSCS website

[Jason Eaton]

Hi Terry:

It's been my experience that nearly all promoters of mild silver protein are
extremely unscrupulous.

Best Regards,

Jason

- Original Message -
From: Terry Chamberlin tcj...@yahoo.ca
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2003 12:51 PM
Subject: CSCS website


 Hi,
 I am dropping in to visit this list again after a long
 absense. Apart from Mike, I don't know how many of the
 folks who were around when I was last here are still
 here.

 I was interested in the responses of the members to
 this website:

 www.invive.com

 I think I will withhold my own comments until I read
 others.

 Terry Chamberlin

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Re: CSHappy Holidays and Special Thanks

[Jason Eaton]

Wayne:

Sorry - I wanted to get your attention, not cause you to lose sleep.  It
does sound like you have all bases covered.

A culture would be the best way to tell concerning infection, and yes, you
can have a localized infection without a general immune system response.

I don't want you to have to go through what a family member of mine went
through, only because the infection was missed.  The MD missed it three
times, and for some unknown reason, I missed it too.

Best Regards,

Jason


- Original Message -
From: Wayne Fugitt wa...@fugitt.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2003 12:15 PM
Subject: CSHappy Holidays and Special Thanks


Happy Holidays to everyone !

This list has been my main support channel during the month of December
 during my spider battle.

Thanks to everyone who offered ideas, suggestions and  encouragement.

 Two list members even sent materials and tools.

 I will be forever grateful to Marjie and David.  I have tried to use
 these to the best of my ability.

 I must say that David's methods are much less painful that Marjie's
 methods.  They seem to compliment each other in detoxification.

Thanks for this great list, and I appreciate Mike's tolerance of the
 messages, some of which bordered on
 Off Topic content.

I have not commented much on how I used CS.  I used a reasonable amount
 internally, several times a day.
 Hot soaks were used of 1 quart hot water and 8 oz CS.  Between each
warming
 of the cloth, I would spray full strength to the wound, before applying
the
 hot cloth.

A time like this is when we wonder if we are making good CS.  I make CS
 one gallon per batch using 52 VDC.  I have used several gallons within the
 last few weeks.

Thanks to the ideas from other countries and people from all corners of
 the earth.

I don't know how I can ever repay the efforts, other than helping other

 people, which I try to do as I have the opportunity.

Jason wins the award for sending the scariest message of all.  I  could
 barely sleep after reading it, but I got the idea that was his intention.
 grin

Thanks Jason !

Whomever is communicating with Dr. Ron Strickland, please give him my
 regards and thanks for his input.

Additional suggestions or criticism of my actions are welcome.  I take
 criticism very well in all endeavors.

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Re: CSMRSA or Spider Bite?

[Jason Eaton]

Wayne:

If you have been taking NSAIDS, ( non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs )
you may wish to cease.

As David Barrow wisely suggested as one of the first posts in the original
thread, I would acquire some quality green healing clay and hydrate it with
CS.

Various types of current or shock therapy, as Dr. Robert O Becker noted on
many occasions, can destroy both damaged and healing tissue.  This can
possibly result in a worsening of the condition if an infection is present.
Healthy tissue has a far greater tolerance to current than damaged and
healing tissue.

When the initial problem has been taken care of, tissue healing should begin
rapidly.

I see infection spread throughout the upper portion of leg, and in lower
part of the image, slightly above the initial injury point.

Onions and CS applied topically are not going to reach this infection.
Shock therapy may result in spreading the infection.  IF those slightly
swollen, yellowish areas are indeed indicative of a subdermal infection,
you're current at risk of an infection reaching the bloodstream ( becoming
septic ).

If this occurs, your health will degrade at an extremely rapid rate.

If you've been taking ibuprophen, Aleve, or other NSAID, you need to stop.
NSAID's have been linked with antibiotic resistant staph, commonly known as
flesh eating, where soft tissues are quickly consumed by infection.

I personally only know of two methods to clear such an infection:  Surgery,
and constantly applied thick healing clay poultices.

Take my word for it:  You don't want to let this continue.

If you'd like to view how a wound should debride and heal, feel free to view
our very graphic images documenting a cansema treatment, with CS  healing
clay utilized:

http://www.silvermedicine.org/silver-healing-clay-cancer.html

To see how clay can potentially pull an infection to the surface:

http://www.eytonsearth.org/usingclayexternally.html

Look at the bottom of the above page of the foot.

I wish you speedy healing!

Best Regards,

Jason


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From: Wayne Fugitt wa...@fugitt.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 6:29 PM
Subject: CSMRSA or Spider Bite?


 Evening DL,

I read your message again.  Seems I missed the most important point the
 first time I read it.

  aw a thing on tv about this mrsa stuff and how it looks initially like
a
 spider bite and then the flesh is destroyed by it. The photo I saw on tv
 liked like the photo of your leg.

So, how do I tell if I have MRSA or a spider bite?   This might be the
 most important question of all.

 If it was, MRSA, would the shock treatment have helped any?

 How long would it take MRSA to make itself known?  Surely it would make me
 feel bad.  It has had 3 weeks, plus a day or two.

 I have never felt bad from this spider bite.  The day after the shock
 treatment, I did seem to feel a little better.
 It may have been a mental condition rather than a physical improvement.

 I will study MRSA in more detail.

 The thing that really worries me, most of the MRSA bull comes from the
same
 people that have told us there is
 A flesh eating bacteria because they did not want us to know what it
 really is and where it comes from.

 I suspect a certain amount of hype, half truths, and
 political  intervention in the MRSA story, just like the big scare in the
 spider bite treatment.

 When you don't know what to believe, you have to trust your instinct and
 gut feelings.

 All ideas,  right wing and left wing appreciated.

 Wayne


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Re: CSNegative press for Cs on Lyme site

[Jason Eaton]

Hi Sheila:

Close!

Eytonsearth.org

The name switch can be confusing, as my last name is the modern, rather than
the ancient spelling:  Eaton.

Best Regards,

Jason

- Original Message -
From: J  S Campbell campbe...@members.v21.co.uk
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 6:57 AM
Subject: RE: CSNegative press for Cs on Lyme site


 Thanks for the info, glad to hear there is more research coming soon,
 I tried the other day to find your site which I thought was
 www.eatonsearth.org but nothing came up, I must have written it down
 wrongly, could you please post the correct address.
 BW,
 Sheila

  -Original Message-
  From: Jason Eaton [mailto:ey...@cox.net]
  Sent: 20 December 2003 20:18
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: Re: CSNegative press for Cs on Lyme site
 
 
  Hi Sheila:
 
  I have certainly seen worse articles, although I would agree that this
  article does not cover both sides of the story.
 
  I don't think that this pracitioner would change his mind by an
  onslaught of
  emails.  In fact, I agree with many of his points about the
  information that
  is commonly available on the web.
 
  However, I've recently begun the developement of a section
  concerning MD's,
  clinics, and medical silver products.  The section is broken down
  into three
  parts:
 
  1. Practitioners - Medical Professionals using silver products
 
  2.  Medical Products - Medical grade silver products, including those
with
  either EPA or FDA approval
 
  3.  Medical Research - Clinical, Laboratory, or otherwise degreed
research
  concerning silver.
 
  http://www.silvermedicine.org/silver-medical.html
 
  This, I'm hoping, will become a good resource to combat ignorance
  concerning
  silver and medicine.
 
  I expect the release of much more information in the upcoming
  year, as there
  is a very qualified MD I know of who has been doing clinical research
with
  CS the past few years, and I'm hoping that tissue sample studies
  ( done by a
  certified FDA lab ), and a host of new research material will become
  publically available this year.
 
  Best Regards,
 
  Jason
 
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  To: silver-list silver-list@eskimo.com
  Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 8:49 AM
  Subject: CSNegative press for Cs on Lyme site
 
 
   http://www.lymealliance.org/research/grier/grier_8.php
  
   Hi there, was looking up sites on lyme and came across this negative,
   inaccurate article about CS, anyone out there got the knowledge,
  brainpower
   to correct this guy?
   BW,
   Sheila
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Re: CSNegative press for Cs on Lyme site

[Jason Eaton]

Hi Sheila:

I have certainly seen worse articles, although I would agree that this
article does not cover both sides of the story.

I don't think that this pracitioner would change his mind by an onslaught of
emails.  In fact, I agree with many of his points about the information that
is commonly available on the web.

However, I've recently begun the developement of a section concerning MD's,
clinics, and medical silver products.  The section is broken down into three
parts:

1. Practitioners - Medical Professionals using silver products

2.  Medical Products - Medical grade silver products, including those with
either EPA or FDA approval

3.  Medical Research - Clinical, Laboratory, or otherwise degreed research
concerning silver.

http://www.silvermedicine.org/silver-medical.html

This, I'm hoping, will become a good resource to combat ignorance concerning
silver and medicine.

I expect the release of much more information in the upcoming year, as there
is a very qualified MD I know of who has been doing clinical research with
CS the past few years, and I'm hoping that tissue sample studies ( done by a
certified FDA lab ), and a host of new research material will become
publically available this year.

Best Regards,

Jason

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From: J  S Campbell campbe...@members.v21.co.uk
To: silver-list silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 8:49 AM
Subject: CSNegative press for Cs on Lyme site


 http://www.lymealliance.org/research/grier/grier_8.php

 Hi there, was looking up sites on lyme and came across this negative,
 inaccurate article about CS, anyone out there got the knowledge,
brainpower
 to correct this guy?
 BW,
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Re: CSRe: [ silvermedicine.org ] Colloidal gold

[Jason Eaton]

Hi Dan:

Thanks for the report.  I'm not a colloidal gold expert, but please remember
that there is a history behind gold as used in medicine.  While the gold
products used in clinical practice are gold compounds, and not at all like
the product you are making, I thought you would like to consider:

1.  That there is a tight dosage window with gold use in the body:  If the
body adsorbs too much gold, the beneficial effects are reversed; in other
words, it can have the exact opposite effect that a smaller dose would ( see
any good drug handbook ).

I think it would take quite a bit low PPM CG to achieve the same effects as
the sulfur or salt gold compounds, but it's just good to keep in mind, in
the event that you experience benefit, then all of the sudden you
experience nuerological effects, increase in arthritic pain, etc, that one
may just simply have to decrease the dosage amount.

Best Regards,

Jason



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From: fig...@comcast.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com; silverdatawebs...@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 10:50 AM
Subject: CSRe: [ silvermedicine.org ] Colloidal gold


 I am making it with good results. I took a leap of faith and plunked down
 $400 with Pride Labs. I feel more energetic and positive. My mind is more
 clear. I will have to get a better read on dosage but right now take 4-8
oz
 per day of 30ppm colloidal gold. Drink it first thing in the morning. I
have
 made 75ppm gold and used this too. The instructions with the Pride Labs
 machine say this is still non clumping colloidal gold

 My unit makes the CG via polarized HVDC. Not HVAC, which is what pushed me
 over the line to buy it and not try to make my own unit with a neon sign
 transformer.

 CG production: An above water arc is created between gold wire and the
 water. Best I can tell, the gold atoms arc into (migrate into) the water
 creating the colloidal gold.

 My take is: The less junk food you eat, the better the CG effect is.
It's
 a bit subtle so will be missed by a heavy meat eater. This is my theory.
 Thus CG is not a universal cure all. You have to do your bit too with the
 CG.  My guess is someone who prays and meditates will feel a stronger CG
 effect. Same for Chi Gung and Tai Chi. I would love to take CG on a five
 day fast when the weather warms up.

 Call up the Pride labs support number in Oregon for more info, they are
 friendly and informative. Go to their website. The unit makes a quart of
 colloidal gold (silver and copper wires were also included in kit) in
15-30
 minutes. Comes with a ppm meter so you know how powerful the solution is.
 Weighs about 3 pounds

 Dan




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 Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 11:21 AM
 Subject: [ silvermedicine.org ] Colloidal gold


 Anybody making colloidal gold with good results ? Or do we have to
 spend $40 an ounce on the internet !
 Dan



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CSTetrasil

[Jason Eaton]

Greetings, all:

I've been following the Tetrasil issue for quite some time.

I'm suspecting that there are serious dangers associated with use, although
this is only a suspicion, and it's based on one unqualified statement:

Tetrasil can only be injected into the body one time, and only one time.
Nowhere have I found the information as to why.  I assume that the liver
takes a BIG hit with the single dose.

Now, when these people inject this product into the body, they are bringing
the total blood content of silver up to 40PPM.  That is bordering on
absolute insanity.  The company states that the product is non-toxic, and
that has to be an outright lie.  If it was not toxic, as claimed, then there
shouldn't be an issue with injecting it a second time.

The patented molecule ( a silica fused molecule, and thus a crystal ) acts
as a delivery device that is triggered by pathogens.  The makers claim
that it is the energy release that is responsible for effectiveness. So you
have a biologically inert substance going into the body, and then exploding
when it contacts trigger material.  What's left is a bunch of oxygen, in who
knows what form, and a bunch of silver ions, both being delivered with a
kenetic force that likely cannot be predicted in every situation.

Now, we can get a similiar response by the addition of H2O2 and HIGH quality
silver injected into the body at far lower levels, with complete safety,
provided that one knows what one is doing.

The most famous case:

http://testimonials.silvermedicine.org/content/australia-hiv-iv.html

This treatment was done with a product called Silver Colloid Australia.

2 ml of 6% h2o2 were combined with a mediocre but CLEANLY produced CS ( 2
ml ) and injected into the body.

This is a truly safe ( when done with full knowledge and proper
preparation ), effective treatment, which can be repeated over the long
term, and which keeps the amount of silver injected into the body at a
minimum.

I hate to say this, but I can imagine many circumstances where it may be
possible that injecting tetrasil at those high volumes might kill someone.
As an example, what if an individual also had a late stage, undiagnosed
lymphatic cancer?  It is feasible that this might literally result lethal
shock.

The idea of finding a delivery method for silver ions is an excellent one,
and I've always been interested in this line of research. However, this
particular company has avoided many issues, and then mysteriously backed
down ( at least publically ) from their hype.  I've seen it before.  It my
not be government conspiracy but rather, unwillful negligence.  It's
possible to cause hemmoroghing by injecting 10 ml of isolated silver into
the bloodstream if the body has not been acclimated to silver via oral use,
although the circumstances surrounding this have not been identified, and
the single case that I am aware of was not lethal, just scary, and occured
because the practitioner in question didn't follow instructions.  Tetrasil
had to modify their original protocol once since it was first used, I'm
betting that they've found they HAVE to reduce the amount used in the
bloodstream for safety reasons, and I bet that lower amounts of tetrasil are
not effective.

Enter:  Isolated Silver.

Best Regards,

Jason


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Re: CSmouth infections

[Jason Eaton]

Hi Donna:

Thank you, I try to apply everything at my disposal to acquire accurate and 
beneficial knowledge; it's not always possible, but the silver list folks have 
certainly made that job easier over the past few years.

Concerning your Jaw:

I'd like to direct your attention to the following:

http://testimonials.silvermedicine.org/content/abcess-tooth-infected.html

You really don't want to mess with a mouth infection for too long, they can 
turn lethal.

As far as injecting h2o2 into an abscess?  I don't know the strength to use.  
It would be a painful process without local anesthesia.

I have had excellent results, as the above link shows ( one example out of 3 ), 
using silver, h2o2 and healing clay.  While this may sound strange, I recommend 
using a silver/h2o2 formulation in both ears.

In one situation, the co-researcher was having a very hard time knocking down 
the infection... and it was bad.  I use a very strong combination to deal with 
these types of situations:  3-5 drops of 35% h2o2 in 4 ounces of  85% ionic CS 
( in some cases, I force a greater particulate content, which, via 
electrolysis, results in a poorer quality CS, but a greater reaction with H2O2 
).  I make the solution at the time of use, and this solution cannot be 
swallowed unless it is in the mouth for five minutes or so, preferably held in 
the mouth as long as possible.  If one does, it will give a very bad upset 
stomach.  Waiting 5-7 minutes, I've never seen the h2o2 upset stomach occur 
with cs  h2o2.

The reaction between the silver particles and the H2o2 really does appear to 
drive the silver ions... In essence, we've thus created a silver ion delivery 
mechanism, which certainly works with  the throat, the mouth, and ears.

Anyway, in this situation, good results were not achieved until the ear on the 
side of the infection was treated with h2o2 and silver.  The effect was 
obvious, nearly immediate, quite surprising, and it did involve a small measure 
of increased pain in the form of a burning sensation ( which usually doesn't 
occur ) that lasted a few hours.  The burning sensation shot down from the ear 
into the jaw within a minute of filling the ear with h2o2/CS.

The healing clay was a critical ingredient.  However, there are great 
logistical problems involved with trying to use a healing clay pack within the 
mouth.  While pelotherapy is usually not painful, in the case were there is a 
great deal of inflammation in an area where there are sensitive nerves, it is a 
painful treatment.  The clay begins to PULL the infection to the surface, if 
enough clay magma is able to be placed at the site.  A slight increase in 
swelling often occurs prior to a reduction in inflammation.   If the area CAN 
be drained, subsequently, the H2O2 and silver can reach the tissues.  However, 
this can involved in continually replacing the clay in the mouth, as saliva 
dilutes it.  Not to mention it is difficult to apply and keep the clay in the 
correct area.

In the case above, an oral surgeon would have been required.  The oral surgeon 
wouldn't touch the mouth until the infection was reduced, the co-researcher had 
no insurance and could not afford the antibiotics ( wisdom tooth partially 
grown in, abscessed ).  It was either deal with the infection, or wait until 
the situation became a real medical emergency for treatment.

Again, please understand that a mouth infection can travel to the heart rapidly.

That is all the information I have as present on the subject.

Warm Regards,

Jason



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  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 5:42 PM
  Subject: Re: CSTetrasil


  Jason:  you are so incredibly knowledgeable...there is a dentist who wishes 
to inject ozone or maybe peroxide..can't remember..into my infected jaw below 
the molar I am to have extracted next week...is it possible to do this?  Can 
one do it themselves as she charges over a 100 dollars for each injection and I 
am pretty cash poor right now..looking for alternatives but don't want to lose 
my body over this..

  CS has helped the pain of the tooth as I wait for the app't with the dentist 
but I'm feeling still systemically rather awful.

  Any ideas from anyone much appreciated...

  Am still trying to figure out where to get dmso from and if one mixes dmso 
with h2o2 in equal amounts and swishes it as a mouthwash, then spit it out...

  I love colloidal silver but its expensive and I have to try to buy the cs 
maker somehow.

  Best wishes,

  Donna 


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Re: CSMouth infections

[Jason Eaton]

Hi Matthew:

Thanks for posting those links by the way!

I don't have any experience with manganese, but it is certainly a fascinating 
idea.

Keep in mind that Manganese has been cited as being tumerogenic and a mutagen, 
but only at doses that far exceed what I'd expect we'd use in isolated form.

http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/rtecs/oo8d8678.html

I see products for sale on the market in the 100 + PPM range, that claim to be 
a pure product, but I imagine it would be the same with manganese as CS:  
We're not going to find a quality nor stable isolated product that isn't really 
a compound of some sort.

Perhaps someone else on the list has some experience!

Best Regards,

Jason

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  From: Matthew McCann PE 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 6:42 PM
  Subject: CSMouth infections


  Good evening, Jason.

  I was just reading the re-print
  of Albert Searle's (1920) text,
  The Use Of Colloids In Health
  And Disease. Searle of course
  gives strong recomendation for
  the use of colloidal silver.

  But I was struck by Searle's
  discussion of colloidal manganese
  beginning on page 90 of his book.
  If I am reading Searle's account
  correctly, he endorses colloidal
  manganese more than colloidal
  silver for the treatment of deep
  abscesses.

  I don't know of any discussions of
  manganese colloid on this List, and
  the pro's and con's of using it.
  Would you happen to know how it
  compares to CS, from today's
  standpoint?

  Thank you in advance for any assistance
  you can give on this question!

  Best regards,

  Matthew


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Re: CSmouth infections

[Jason Eaton]

Hi Donna:

Many health food stores carry at least one brand of green clay, usually Aztec 
Healing Clay which is-- by a long shot-- not my favorite product.

If you can find a bulk source, you can usually pick up a 50 lb bag for between 
$10.00 ( at a quarry ) - $50.00 ( a large ceramic store often carries pure 
bentonite in technical grade ).  Every clay from every different quarry, and 
sometimes the clay in different locations of the same quarry, is different.  
However, all green bentonites at least share the same general properties.

I wouldn't recommend anyone start their experiences with healing clays with 
such a tricky situation.  However, you're welcome to view:

http://www.eytonsearth.org  ( green healing clays ) 

and

http://www.burulibusters.com - ( graphic images, beware )

for further information.

At Eytons' Earth, we study green healing clays, including bentonite ( 
montmorillonite ) and now Illite.

At Buruli Busters, Thierry et all show the study of French Montmorillonite and 
French Illite against Buruli Ulcerations.  The images on their site are quite 
graphic in nature; I have further astounding images concerning these treatments 
that are too graphic for public viewing.  Thanks to Thierry's presentation to 
the WHO, the World Health Organization now lists green clay as a viable 
treatment for Buruli Ulcers.  Let's all just HOPE we don't get this type of 
bacterial infection on our continents.  Transmission of the micobacteria 
responsible for this afflication into our own ecosystems is possible.

One day, I'm finally going to talk them into employing CS in their protocol, as 
there are some symptoms to the treatment that I think CS could address 
extremely successfully.

Best Regards,

Jason




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  From: alopez...@aol.com 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 6:55 PM
  Subject: Re: CSmouth infections


  In a message dated 12/20/2003 8:22:44 PM Central Standard Time, ey...@cox.net 
writes:


trying to use a healing clay pack within the mouth


  Is healing clay something I can purchase in a healh food store...I would like 
to try this as it is becoming a desperate affair...I just have to find 
something that knock this thing out of my mouth..

  Many warm thoughts and gratitude for your kind input,

  Donna 


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Re: CSaltcancer.com Again

[Jason Eaton]

Hi Jonathan:

I'm certainly sorry to see the bad publicity against Alpha Omega Labs.

I'm sorry that the lady in question did not follow the explicit advice on
how to approach using cansema.  Greg has always emphatically asked people to
get a diagnosis before using Cansema, from a licensed medical doctor.  You
can't tell before hand, just by looking at the skin, how deep any cancer is.
I imagine the lady's story is true.

Any such product should be used by those who read carefully, and understand
its action.  The same could be said about bleach, or any household cleaner,
or electrical outlets.  Most common things, people have been taught how to
use since childhood.

However, when the media gets ahold of something...

As an example, many people do not know that you can kill yourself with
magnets you can purchase for magnet therapy.  One day, the powers that be
shall endevour an assault against this industry, and the people will be
shocked at the death and pain caused by common health magnets.

This doesn't make magnet therapy bad or wrong, it's just like everything
else:  Resources need to be made available for accurate and extensive
information, and this needs to be approached from a nuetral standpoint:
Both financially and politically.

Another example is the numerous people who die from overuse of herbal
tinctures and pill supplements, which can, with abuse, knock out the liver
in short order.

As far as the lady is concerned, if she read the instructions, she would
have noticed the very serious warning to NOT use Cansema near ANY mucus
membrane without the assistance of a licensed doctor; it could have done
more than it did, it could have killed her.

Their H3O contains HCL ( so do many FDA approved drugs ); HRX contains
Potassium Hydroxide.  Both need to be used with understanding, and both are
extremely excellent products.

There's always a catch 22 with taking personal responsibility for life, and
making this available for other people so that they too may have a chance to
benefit from real knowledge.  There are always issues involved warranting
serious consideration.

Best Regards,

Jason R. Eaton


- Original Message -
From: Jonathan B. Britten jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 6:17 PM
Subject: CSaltcancer.com Again


 List,

 I found this post about altcancer.com:

 http://lobd.org/si/viewtopic.php?p=8610

 Note at bottom the link to an FDA site.

 Whether or not the claims are true remains to be seen.   Cansema does
 indeed produce scary-looking results,  but the healing proceeds slowly
 and without infection.   My guess is that the woman who claims to have
 lost her nose simply panicked and fell into the clutches of a
 white-robed businessman who found himself a lucrative reconstruction
 job.

 Another possibility is that the whole matter is a set-up. Time will
 tell.

 The message calls Greg Caton a convicted felon;  it would be
 interesting to find out the basis of this charge.   Without any
 information about the facts,  the insinuation is that the man is a
 habitual criminal.  I very much doubt that.

 I think the whole matter of the action against altcancer bears close
 scrutiny and I hope list members will keep one eye on this this case.
 Thanks again to Justin Eaton for preserving the priceless altcancer.com
   archives on his fine site.

 I keep in touch with the folks at Alpha Omega;  there has been no
 positive news yet.




 JBB



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Re: CSDeadly Magnets?

[Jason Eaton]

Certainly, Arnold, provided that Mike endevours to show a touch of patience
for the off-topic posting.

I have the very good fortune to be remotely ( although the remotely may soon
change ) associated with Dr. Ilonka Harezi of ELF Laboratories.

- Original Message -
From: Arnold Beland abela...@amerion.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 8:59 PM
Subject: CSDeadly Magnets?


 Jason, could you elaborate on this?  I have a hard time believing that
they have any effect at all.
 Best Regards,
 Arnold Beland
 www.atlasnova.com
 - Original Message -
 From: Jason Eaton ey...@cox.net
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 7:54 PM
 Subject: Re: CSaltcancer.com Again


  Hi Jonathan:
 
  I'm certainly sorry to see the bad publicity against Alpha Omega Labs.
 
  I'm sorry that the lady in question did not follow the explicit advice
on
  how to approach using cansema.  Greg has always emphatically asked
people to
  get a diagnosis before using Cansema, from a licensed medical doctor.
You
  can't tell before hand, just by looking at the skin, how deep any cancer
is.
  I imagine the lady's story is true.
 
  Any such product should be used by those who read carefully, and
understand
  its action.  The same could be said about bleach, or any household
cleaner,
  or electrical outlets.  Most common things, people have been taught how
to
  use since childhood.
 
  However, when the media gets ahold of something...
 
  As an example, many people do not know that you can kill yourself with
  magnets you can purchase for magnet therapy.  One day, the powers that
be
  shall endevour an assault against this industry, and the people will be
  shocked at the death and pain caused by common health magnets.
 
  This doesn't make magnet therapy bad or wrong, it's just like everything
  else:  Resources need to be made available for accurate and extensive
  information, and this needs to be approached from a nuetral standpoint:
  Both financially and politically.
 
  Another example is the numerous people who die from overuse of herbal
  tinctures and pill supplements, which can, with abuse, knock out the
liver
  in short order.
 
  As far as the lady is concerned, if she read the instructions, she would
  have noticed the very serious warning to NOT use Cansema near ANY mucus
  membrane without the assistance of a licensed doctor; it could have done
  more than it did, it could have killed her.
 
  Their H3O contains HCL ( so do many FDA approved drugs ); HRX contains
  Potassium Hydroxide.  Both need to be used with understanding, and both
are
  extremely excellent products.
 
  There's always a catch 22 with taking personal responsibility for life,
and
  making this available for other people so that they too may have a
chance to
  benefit from real knowledge.  There are always issues involved
warranting
  serious consideration.
 
  Best Regards,
 
  Jason R. Eaton
 
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Jonathan B. Britten jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 6:17 PM
  Subject: CSaltcancer.com Again
 
 
   List,
  
   I found this post about altcancer.com:
  
   http://lobd.org/si/viewtopic.php?p=8610
  
   Note at bottom the link to an FDA site.
  
   Whether or not the claims are true remains to be seen.   Cansema does
   indeed produce scary-looking results,  but the healing proceeds slowly
   and without infection.   My guess is that the woman who claims to have
   lost her nose simply panicked and fell into the clutches of a
   white-robed businessman who found himself a lucrative reconstruction
   job.
  
   Another possibility is that the whole matter is a set-up. Time
will
   tell.
  
   The message calls Greg Caton a convicted felon;  it would be
   interesting to find out the basis of this charge.   Without any
   information about the facts,  the insinuation is that the man is a
   habitual criminal.  I very much doubt that.
  
   I think the whole matter of the action against altcancer bears close
   scrutiny and I hope list members will keep one eye on this this case.
   Thanks again to Justin Eaton for preserving the priceless
altcancer.com
 archives on his fine site.
  
   I keep in touch with the folks at Alpha Omega;  there has been no
   positive news yet.
  
  
  
  
   JBB
  
  
  
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Re: CSStopping bleeding

[Jason Eaton]

Hi Wayne:

I believe that you are correct.  New wounds should be allowed to bleed, WITHIN 
REASON, as this is a cleansing process.

The only problem occurs when a wound will not stop, and cayenne is indeed a 
very powerful substance!

Best Regards,

Jason

  - Original Message - 
  From: Wayne Fugitt 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 12:47 PM
  Subject: Re: CSStopping bleeding


  Hello DL,


  Richard Schulze recommends cayenne powder that stops bleeding instantly. 

 Often I wonder if we do not stop bleeding too quickly.

 After I soaked the spider bite, and it softened up, by pumping the calf 
muscle, I could force out
  bright red blood.  Not very much, but at least this meant the fluids were 
flowing in the right direction.

 Or, at least I thought that to be true.  Could I be wrong in my thinking.

 I am not highly skilled or trained in wound treatment.

 Wayne

Re: CSRe: Alleviation of silver toxicity by selenite

[Jason Eaton]

Hi Reid:

I can answer that.  There have been a few proponents who have widely
promoted the use of silver chloride.  In the case of the individual in the
article, it was Mark Metcalf's book.  Mark has only now stopped promoting
the idea of using salt in CS production, but I'm certain that more than two
people acquired argyria as a result of his methods.

We do not know the concentration of the end product.  It had to be pretty
muddy.  The individual added salt to the production process, which is how
the silver chloride was being produced.  Imagine producing CS with a
nine-volt battery setup with salty water and letting it run ten minutes...
and then drinking 32 ounces of the stuff every day.

I now speak with this individual on a regular basis - he's a great guy.
Obviously he's a very zealous supporter of CS use...  As he was near death
when he started to take CS.  In his case, perhaps it was good that he drank
silver chloride mud.  Hard to say.  He wasn't upset at all about turning
blue, just happy to be alive.

It's that kind of attitude that lead him to reverse his condition.  He said
the hardest part was drinking that much water on a daily basis.

Best Regards,

Jason










- Original Message -
From: Reid Harvey pott...@wlink.com.np
To: silver list silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 4:30 PM
Subject: CSRe: Alleviation of silver toxicity by selenite


 jr,
 The article is very interesting to me, for one, especially while looking
 into AgCl toxicity for a ceramic water purifier (previous message).  But
 can you tell me, why would anyone consider using AgCl?  Is there a lack
 of awareness that CS could do much the same, without the argyria, or am
 I missing something?

 Also, there's no indication of the concentration of AgCl in solution.
 Do you know any more about this?  And how can AgCl be produced by
 electrolysis?
 Thanks,
 Reid

 jrowland said:
 From Natural and Alternative Medicine (Beta Testing) Forum,
 a suggested cure for Argyria:
 This individual utilized 32 ounces of silver chloride daily
 for 2.5 years and cured a very late stage case of Nuerosyphilis...
 http://www.silvermedicine.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13
 jr


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Re: CSRe: Alleviation of silver toxicity by selenite

[Jason Eaton]

James:

Advanced Neurosyphilis

Best regards,

Jason

- Original Message -
From: James Holmes ami...@starband.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 9:03 PM
Subject: RE: CSRe: Alleviation of silver toxicity by selenite


 What was your friend's illness?

 JOH

 -Original Message-
 From: Jason Eaton [mailto:ey...@cox.net]
 Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 9:36 PM
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: Re: CSRe: Alleviation of silver toxicity by selenite


 Hi Reid:

 I can answer that.  There have been a few proponents who have widely
 promoted the use of silver chloride.  In the case of the individual in the
 article, it was Mark Metcalf's book.  Mark has only now stopped promoting
 the idea of using salt in CS production, but I'm certain that more than
two
 people acquired argyria as a result of his methods.

 We do not know the concentration of the end product.  It had to be pretty
 muddy.  The individual added salt to the production process, which is
how
 the silver chloride was being produced.  Imagine producing CS with a
 nine-volt battery setup with salty water and letting it run ten minutes...
 and then drinking 32 ounces of the stuff every day.

 I now speak with this individual on a regular basis - he's a great guy.
 Obviously he's a very zealous supporter of CS use...  As he was near death
 when he started to take CS.  In his case, perhaps it was good that he
drank
 silver chloride mud.  Hard to say.  He wasn't upset at all about turning
 blue, just happy to be alive.

 It's that kind of attitude that lead him to reverse his condition.  He
said
 the hardest part was drinking that much water on a daily basis.

 Best Regards,

 Jason





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Re: CSSilver-heavy metal NOT

[Jason Eaton]

Greetings, all:

The debate on whether or not silver is a heavy metal is relatively trite.
Are we talking legally?  Medically?  What exactly defines a heavy metal, and
why?

These are the questions that people, perhaps, should be asking.

Medically, silver is not usually regarded as a heavy metal:

http://www.cignamedicare.com/partb/lmrp/nc/cms_fu/2001-006.htm


The term heavy metal is not a scientific one, nor is it a technical
classification recognized by any school of formal modern chemistry:

HEAVY METALS-A MEANINGLESS TERM?
(IUPAC Technical Report)
Prepared for publication by
JOHN H. DUFFUS
The Edinburgh Centre for Toxicology, 43 Mansionhouse Road, Edinburgh EH9
2JD, Scotland,
United Kingdom

http://www.iupac.org/publications/pac/2002/pdf/7405x0793.pdf

As the above document shows, it depends on who you talk to, and what
government regulatory agency is involved.

According to Medicare, silver is not a heavy metal.

SILVER IS A TRANSITION element that does not share the toxicology of other
metals loosely coined heavy metals.

People who get stuck on the heavy metal idea need to study the history of
chemistry, and the history of the term heavy metal for clarity.  Arguing
with ignorance has little value.

Best Regards,

Jason
silvermedicine.org


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Re: CSSilver-heavy metal NOT Part II

[Jason Eaton]

Paula:

I agree with your desire to share accurate information, so perhaps we can come 
up with a technically accurate way to answer the question... Mine would be as 
follows:

Is silver a heavy metal?

Silver, medically, does not share the toxicology associated with what are 
commonly described as heavy metals.  Legally, the definition of what is or is 
not a heavy metal varies depending on which regulatory agency one queries.  
According to SIGNA's medicare qualification documents, silver is not a heavy 
metal.

The term heavy metal is not a scientific term, and there has never been 
consensus on the meaning of this term in the scientific community.  By some 
definitions, both Magnesium and Potassium are heavy metals.  Classification of 
heavy metal has never been scientifically based on any actual quality 
associated with any element, although many adaptations to the periodic table 
have been attempted, including gram atomic weight and by the number on the 
periodic table, both which have no real chemical significance-- not from a 
biological standpoint, a chemical standpoint, or any other scientifically 
demonstrable attribute including any medical significance.



Ref:
http://www.iupac.org/publications/pac/2002/pdf/7405x0793.pdf
http://www.cignamedicare.com/partb/lmrp/nc/cms_fu/2001-006.htm

  - Original Message - 
  From: sol 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 1:47 PM
  Subject: Re: CSSilver-heavy metal NOT


 That's ok, people seem to be mis-reading my intent, I do not need 
arguments that silver is not toxic or that water can be toxic. I just want to 
stop telling folks it is not a heavy metal, if in fact it is. I have also read 
it called a transition metal, and the toxic heavy metals are also listed as 
transition metals on the table I sent the link to.  I sh ould have researched 
this a long time ago, and not parroted things I read.
 There is plenty of evidence that silver (EIS) is not toxic without making 
false arguments, which is what I want to avoid, as when I myself find out that 
a fact is mis-stated or false, I tend to disbelieve everything else, you know? 
I simply want to be accurate.
  paula
- Original Message - 
From: mamapug 

Even water is toxic in amounts
  large enough to drown in.

  Water can also be toxic when swallowed in large amounts. Here in Utah, a 
couple is up for murder, for forcing their adopted child to drink quarts of 
water as a punishment.
  It killed her. She was 5.
  Marshalee

Re: CSWhy, o why doesn't it do its wonderful thing for me?

[Jason Eaton]

Hi Filip:

Have you recently, or a history of, pulmonary difficulties?  Lung problems, 
such as a recurring lung infection?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but with your initial reaction, wasn't the response 
quite a bit faster, with less colloidal silver used to induce your upset 
stomach?

If so, this matches a herxheimer-like effect.

If I were in a similiar situation, and wished to approach it with due caution ( 
being in the unknown ), then I would elect to design a personal research 
experiment, and back off of taking the colloidal silver until the symptoms 
subside, and then begin again, charting my body's own responses; that is, as 
long as I wasn't attempting to address a serious illness.  I would make note of 
the duration of symptoms, how long they took to manifest, how much CS was used, 
and then how long it took for the symptoms to subside after cessation.

Best Regards,

Jason
  - Original Message - 
  From: filip.hoe...@pandora.be 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 1:36 AM
  Subject: CSWhy, o why doesn't it do its wonderful thing for me?


  Dear CS-community,

  Sorry if my post()s is/are elaborate, but I really want to find a solution to 
my
  problem and I try to give as much as context as possible.

  As I stated some time ago, I became sick for about 1,5 week (having a 
  need-to-throw-up feeling) after taking 3 coffee-spoons of self-made CS.
  See: RE: CSStomach-problems when using CS? in the archives.

  As I feared I had poisoned myself, I had a stomach check (with a camera 
  through the mouth into the stomach), a blood and urine check after 1 week 
  of being sick, everything was ok according to the doctors. Only a minor
  irritation/infection in my stomach, but that was very normal and could be
  viral. Half a week later everything was back to normal.

  Two weeks later, I wanted to give making CS by myself another try. This
  time I used 2 silver electrodes that I ordered from a jeweler that made it
  from 99,9% silver grains that he uses for making jewelery. I expressed my
  reason for needing to be sure it is 99,9% pure.

  After using it for about 4 days now, just spraying it in my nose (2 times
  a day, 3 sprays in each nostril), I'm feeling ill in my stomach again and
  again waking up in the middle of the night with a need-to-throw-up feeling.

  As I don't think it's the silver (as I got the same result from 2 different 
suppliers)
  I could only think:
  * it is the destilled water that I use, although it comes from a pharmacy 
store.
  * I'm allergic to silver, although I don't have any problems with wearing 
my silver
ring.
  * I have some kind of infection that I don't even know about or my nasal 
problem
  is connected with my stomach as someone mentioned to me.
  * it's a normal reaction (e.g.: Herxheimer reaction): the feeling I 
experience is
  need-to-throw-up (without having thrown up), waking up in the middle of 
  the night with that feeling and a strange, weak, almost tinteling 
sensation 
  in my arms.

  I've read alot about CS at alot of different websites, but I cannot find 
anything 
  about this kind of reaction.

  I truly believe that CS works, but why doesn't it do the wonderful thing to 
me?

  PS: As i currently use 24V DC adaptor on 2 (125mm long, 2mm thick) 99,9%
  silver electrodes for 15 minutes in 500 ml of boiled distilled water, I have 
no way
  of knowing how much ppm I produced. I only know it was both times clear not
  yellow.
  The + electrode (red on the multimeter) became dirty gray and the - electrode 
  (black on the multimeter) became yellow. I think I read somewhere that it 
should
  be vica versa.

  Kind regards,
  Filip

Re: CSdisclaimer?

[Jason Eaton]

Hi William:

You haven't seen our disclaimer have you?

Best Regards,

Jason
silvermedicine.org

- Original Message -
From: william meyer calis...@earthlink.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 11:56 AM
Subject: CSdisclaimer?


 hi ode
 this disclaimer of yours is just a little too much tho i see your
 satire and humor.

 the truth is the med/fed/corporation consortium is
 way beyond their place in attacking different information.
 who told us that only people certified by the ama or whatever
 are the only people who can offer information on treating
 a condition?
 at some point you have to call a spade a spade. i have the right
 to think and diseminate information that i believe may be helpful.

 i believe that there are issues today that have grown big enough
 that we need to seriously consider our place in relation to
 those powers that seek to govern us.

 i believe men and woman of good will are required to say
 no if they clearly see a law as unjust.

 that's all i will say on this topic.

   In big bold black letters, taking up the entire top of the page so
 as not to be possibly missed, place a disclaimer such as:
 
   I am not a doctor and am, therefore, not qualified to give medical
advise.
 All communication is, therefore, hearsay and opinion from people who
 also may not be qualified.
   I am as entitled to my opinion as anyone else, but it should not be
 taken as anything BUT My opinion along with the added condition
 that I am not qualified to have an opinion that's to be taken the
 least bit seriously.
   You wouldn't take advise from the village idiot, now would you?
   But you just might use something the village idiot said to form
 YOUR OWN OPINION.
   I say ONLY what I think and do and repeat what I have HEARD
 that OTHERS [qualified or not] think and do. I am NOT making any
 distiction between them.
ASSUME THAT I AND EVERYONE HERE IS ENTIRELY IGNORANT.
   BY NO MEANS should ANYTHING be taken as what YOU should think or do.
 
   YOU ARE ENTIRELY RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT IS IN YOUR HEAD.
   IT IS NOT AND NEVER WAS MY INTENTION TO PUT ANYTHING, AT ALL, THERE.
   IF YOU WANT ADVISE, GO ASK SOMEONE WHO IS QUALIFIED TO GIVE IT.
   I WANT THIS TO BE VERY VERY CLEAR
THAT PERSON IS NOT ME OR ANYONE I KNOW OR ANYONE I COMMUNICATE WITH.
 
 Then be careful to use disqualifiers such as I heard or I believe.
 


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Re: CSfederal warnings, regarding health advice - internet sting ops to begin in January

[Jason Eaton]

Greetings, all:

While I am not certain on the issue of giving medical advice over the phone
or via email, I do know several things:

1.  The FTC and the FDA have no juristiction over websites that do not sell
products.

Second, if the United States Goverment is now willing to take away our 1st
Ammendment rights, this is something that any website owner claiming to
truly server the public in such a manner ( that provides information )
should be willing to go to jail over, if need be.

For hardcore hitters, one should incorporate as an individual in the state
of Nevada to receive as much personal protection from this type of activity
as possible.

I personally will not be paying any FTC fines, nor will I change the nature
of our websites under threat of Government action.

I have a hard time believing this attorney.  The FTC stands for the Federal
TRADE Comission.  The FTC has never been interested in projects that don't
sell products.

As I understand it, the FTC does not prosecute for practicing medicine
without a license.  The FDA does.  The FTC prosecutes for non-compliance
with Trade Laws, and in the case of health products, these laws are defined
by the FDA.

I've written an email to the owner of http://www.fms-help.com , asking for
further clarification.

Best Regards,

Jason R. Eaton





- Original Message -
From: Sara Mandal-Joy
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 9:04 AM
Subject: CSfederal warnings, regarding health advice - internet sting ops
to begin in January



===
- Original Message -
From: Dominie Bush
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 2:08 AM
Subject: Death of the newsletter and my FMS/CFIDS website??

Dear Newsletter Readers,

1. I was contacted today by a leading attorney whose job it is to
warn those who give advice related to health conditions on the internet.
This
is now illegal, unless you are a medical doctor.
My website at http://www.fms-help.com
is not in compliance with FTC regulations.

2. Beginning Jan. 1, 2004, the FTC will begin a sting operation
where someone will email or call to ask for help with a health problem.
Should the
kind-hearted soul reply with some advice, they can be fined $250,000--yep,
that's
a quarter of a million dollars(!) if they are not a medical doctor. I asked
the attorney if the FTC would sue companies or individuals and was told that
the
FTC isn't putting up with it anymore and that individuals will be sued.

3. Because of this, I can no longer trust that people who write to
me are actually FMS/CFIDS sufferers. I will still be accepting email at
d...@fms-
help.com but may not reply.

4. The attorney was most sympathetic with the use of nutritional
supplements, because of a family member with serious health problems that
drugs
couldn't help.
The person suffered serious side effects and is now using ONLY nutritional
supplements and doing much better. The attorney even enthusiastically
endorsed a
popular nutritional supplement in the course of our conversation.

5. The attorney said that Sen. Richard Durbin of Illinois is trying
to get rid of dietary supplements and described him as the meanest man on
the
planet. My husband looked up Sen. Durbin's website and found an email
address to write to him: d...@durbin.senate.gov My husband also found a good
letter
on the net at http://joeclarke.net/vitamins.htm (It's called, Hey
Government, Don't Take Away My Vitamins.) There are many more letters out
there too, I've found.

6. Well, I have been in tears and grieving the loss of the website
and newsletter most of the day. I need to do something VERY QUICKLY about my
website, but I have no idea what! Please PRAY for me to know what to do!
Many of
you have been with me for years and we have had the most wonderful
relationship of support and caring. I will always treasure that!!!

7. What happened to my freedom of speech?Or is that only reserved for
pornographers now?! How can I get information out to people with FMS/CFIDS,
if I
can't say anything because I am not a doctor?!!?? I am stumped!

8. My monthly newsletter is really YOUR newsletter, because much of
the information comes from you and I pass it on via the newsletter to others
who
suffer with FMS/CFIDS. This is now against FTC regulations and they will be
enforced and I could be sued.

9. The information on my website at http://www.fms-help.com has
helped many people around the world and even prevented suicides. For the
past 7
years, I have had calls and emails from thousands of people who desperately
needed information and help in dealing with their fibromyalgia and chronic
fatigue
syndrome. Their doctors have failed them and no one really understands what
it's
like unless you have these conditions yourself. When you consider that Dr.
Kervorkian has helped 4 women with FMS/CFIDS to end their lives, you
realize the
desperation and hopelessness in the hearts of many with chronic invisible
illness.

10. My 

Re: CSPotassium Hydroxide and CS - Richard

[Jason Eaton]

Hiya Ken:

I posted a suggestion to dilute the 50% KOH further by cutting it with
distilled water first.  Only a minute amount of Potassium Hydroxide is
needed to shift the PH level.

The taste only becomes noticeable, from my experience, when your pushing
distilled water up to the 9.0+ PH range.  I drank a similiar solution (
treated with Scalar waves, I'm assuming with a Tesla Coil arrangement ), but
at a PH of about 10.5 by the gallons to get my own internal PH level
in-line.  It worked perfectly.  There was only a slight taste.

Best Regards,

Jason


- Original Message -
From: Ode Coyote coyote...@earthlink.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 10:48 AM
Subject: RE: CSPotassium Hydroxide and CS - Richard


   I'm waiting too
  I don't have a clue.

 Ode

 At 06:17 PM 11/20/2003 -0500, you wrote:
 Hi Nenah,
 Sorry, but we'll wait for Marshall or Ode to comment on your question.
I'll
 be eager to know the outcome.
 I commend you on NOT adding the KOH until after the manufacturing is
 completed.
 Best regards,
 Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Nenah Sylver [mailto:ne...@bestweb.net]
 Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 5:11 PM
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: CSPotassium Hydroxide and CS - Richard
 
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Richard Harris yr...@cfl.rr.com
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Cc: Richard Harris yr...@cfl.rr.com
 Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 4:46 PM
 Subject: RE: CSDog with teeth and gum infections, CS pet testimonies?
 
 
  Thanks Dr. Nenah,
 
  This is even better advice for Debbie and comes from a dog owner.
 
  Debbie this just shows why I brag on the quality contributors that
share
  with those of us who are seeking a better solution.
 
  Thanks Nenah for your usual excellent help!
  Sincerely,
  Ricahrd Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist
 
 Richard,
 You are very kind. Indeed, I have gotten a lot from your posts as well.
 
 Which brings me to a question I've been meaning to ask you about adding
 potassium hydroxide to colloidal silver to raise its pH if it's under
7.0.
 On
 your advice, I did manage to obtain some food grade potassium hydroxide.
The
 strength was a bit more than I would have liked -- at 50%, it required
only
 about 2 drops for an entire gallon of water -- and afterward, the pH read
in
 the
 high 8s or early 9s. I put in the potassium hydroxide AFTER making the
CS,
 because I was afraid that it somehow might interfere with the process of
 making
 it.
 
 In any case, the silver making was fine. I made it as I always do and
there
 weren't any problems (like flaking, etc.) However, there is a taste to
the
 fluid
 that was never there when I made CS in the past. Would you by any chance
 know
 what this is from?
 
 I'll be sending Bob a sample to analyze and will report what was found
(if
 Bob
 doesn't report to the list first  ;)  But in the meantime, I thought
maybe
 you
 might know why there is a different taste -- and if it's messing up the
 quality
 or effectiveness of the silver. I'm a little reluctant to use it until I
 know.
 
 Thanks as always.
 Nenah
 (and by the way, you don't have to call me Dr.  ;)
 
 I'll be sending some
 
 
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Re: CSPotassium Hydroxide and CS - Richard

[Jason Eaton]

Hi Nenah:

With that strength, I'd try diluting the KaOH with distilled water first.
The idea is to use only enough to slightly shift the PH.

You don't want to use it before production, only afterwards.

Best Regards,

Jason

- Original Message -
From: Nenah Sylver ne...@bestweb.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 2:11 PM
Subject: CSPotassium Hydroxide and CS - Richard



 - Original Message -
 From: Richard Harris yr...@cfl.rr.com
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Cc: Richard Harris yr...@cfl.rr.com
 Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 4:46 PM
 Subject: RE: CSDog with teeth and gum infections, CS pet testimonies?


  Thanks Dr. Nenah,
 
  This is even better advice for Debbie and comes from a dog owner.
 
  Debbie this just shows why I brag on the quality contributors that share
  with those of us who are seeking a better solution.
 
  Thanks Nenah for your usual excellent help!
  Sincerely,
  Ricahrd Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist

 Richard,
 You are very kind. Indeed, I have gotten a lot from your posts as well.

 Which brings me to a question I've been meaning to ask you about adding
 potassium hydroxide to colloidal silver to raise its pH if it's under 7.0.
On
 your advice, I did manage to obtain some food grade potassium hydroxide.
The
 strength was a bit more than I would have liked -- at 50%, it required
only
 about 2 drops for an entire gallon of water -- and afterward, the pH read
in the
 high 8s or early 9s. I put in the potassium hydroxide AFTER making the CS,
 because I was afraid that it somehow might interfere with the process of
making
 it.

 In any case, the silver making was fine. I made it as I always do and
there
 weren't any problems (like flaking, etc.) However, there is a taste to the
fluid
 that was never there when I made CS in the past. Would you by any chance
know
 what this is from?

 I'll be sending Bob a sample to analyze and will report what was found (if
Bob
 doesn't report to the list first  ;)  But in the meantime, I thought maybe
you
 might know why there is a different taste -- and if it's messing up the
quality
 or effectiveness of the silver. I'm a little reluctant to use it until I
know.

 Thanks as always.
 Nenah
 (and by the way, you don't have to call me Dr.  ;)

 I'll be sending some


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Re: CSRe: brown recluse spider bite

[Jason Eaton]

Helena:

Good point.  I prefer a non-invasive treatment whenever possible.  Electricity 
does many things, and should always be used wisely.  As an example, it changes 
cell permeability.

My thought regarding being poisoned:  Why break down the toxins when you have 
the option of simply pulling them out.

The shock treatment, I do believe, however, can be effective!  I've never 
needed to try it, however!

Best Regards,

Jason

  - Original Message - 
  From: Helena Hsu 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 11:35 AM
  Subject: CSRe: brown recluse spider bite


  Aloha Everyone,

  I found this info from another silver list at Yahoo.  

  Hmmm... interesting to know that there's another option for dealing with the 
spider bites besides being shocked LOL

  Warmest Regards,
  Helena

  ~

  A couple of years ago my wife was stung on her ankle by what we believe must 
have been a brown recluse spider.  She did not feel anything until she 
scratched a mild itch on the ankle.  Then the pain started.  
   
  Within a few hours the pain was intense and the wound had started ulcerating. 
 We applied Colloidal Silver to the wound and it seemed to help.  The next day, 
she went to her physician.  After he examined the wound, he said that it looked 
as though she had been stung by a brown recluse spider.  He told her that he 
could not do anything for her except prescribe pain pills, and that she would 
probably need a skin graft if it did not heal.  
   
  When she returned from the doctor's office, we got some bentonite clay powder 
(probably available at any health food store; do a WWW search on bentonite 
and pascalite), mixed it Colloidal Silver and MSM, and applied it to the 
wound as a poultice.  Within hours, the pain subsided, and was largely gone the 
next day.  
   
  My wife went back to her physician a few days later, and he was amazed at her 
remarkable progress.  In fact, he told her that if anyone in his family ever 
got stung by a brown recluse spider, he would send them to her for treatment!  
And he was serious!  We feel that the three ingredients in the poultice had 
three different effects, but this is only conjecture on our part.  
   
  First, the bentonite clay mud pack may have drawn the venom out.  Secondly, 
the minute electrical charge in each of the zillions of Colloidal Silver 
particles may have had a neutralizing effect on the venom similar to the stun 
gun protocol alluded to in other replies to the original message below.  
Moreover, it has come to my attention in the last year that some creatures that 
inject venom into their victims also deliver flesh eating bacteria that reside 
on their fangs or stingers, or in their mouths.  
   
  Apparently (if I understand correctly), until recently all the focus was on 
the venom, and there was no awareness of the flesh eating bacteria that some of 
these creatures harbor.  If this was so in my wife's case, then Colloidal 
Silver probably neutralized the flesh eating bacteria as well.  
   
  Thirdly, the MSM likely allowed the Colloidal Silver to penetrate better, and 
the venom to be drawn out more readily.  For this type of wound, it may be 
useful to use the poultice described, ingest Colloidal Silver and MSM, and 
inhale Colloidal Silver via a nebulizer 
  or a saline nasal mist sprayer that has been emptied, flushed with distilled 
water, and filled halfway with Colloidal Silver.I hope that this information is 
useful; let me know.

CSRe: Lake Open, Fish OK

[Jason Eaton]

Rob:

LOL. Well!  I'm sure we're all glad to know that the fish are ok and that
the lake is open.

Best Regards,

Jason


- Original Message -
From: Robb Allen rube2...@hotmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 8:21 AM
Subject: Re: CSZapper


 Sorry.I don't know how I got this  post here.

 - Original Message -
 From: Robb Allen rube2...@hotmail.com
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:32 AM
 Subject: Re: CSZapper


  According to the Park office...whom I called today...there are
no
  fish dieing...there is no bulge in the lake that wasn't there
  forever...there are no wildlife migrating out of the park...the
 lake
  isn't closed...and the lakes temp is normal.LOL...Robb
 



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Re: csbrown recluse spider bite

[Jason Eaton]

Hi Becky,

Although I have never seen the treatment, I have been informed by two users 
that utilizing healing clay poultices on the area greatly assist recovery.

Hydrating the healing clay with CS is even a better idea; I've seen rapid 
responses with other types of bites.

The treatment must be utilized as often as possible...  Dressings changed about 
3 times daily.  It is far better if one has some prepared and utilizes it 
immediately upon being bitten; switching between utilizing the clay and CS 
directly to the area.

If you'd like to learn more about the art of healing clays, feel free to visit 
our not-for-profit website:
http://www.eytonsearth.org

Best Regards,

Jason

  - Original Message - 
  From: bjh...@aol.com 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 2:09 PM
  Subject: csbrown recluse spider bite


  Could anyone tell me how to neutralize the toxins from a brown recluse spider 
bite?  My husband has been bitten at least once, but has multiple erruptions 
that keep occurring every few days.  He has a couple that have healed, one that 
is pretty bad, one that is just starting to get sore.  Thanks for any advise.

  Becky





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Re: CSquestion about Potassium Hydroxide

[Jason Eaton]

Nenah:

Purity does matter, as does understanding the concentration involved.
Potassium Hydroxide at high concentrations is also known as lye.

Potassium Hydroxide at industrial strengths is very dangerous.  Bases can be
just as dangerous as acids.

http://www.ionlight.com/water/waterarticles/SangWhang/degenerative.html

CanCell was one of the big promoters of such an alkaline base water.

I've never had to research into purity issues or concentration strengths.
At the higher levels of concentration, a single drop might be too much for a
gallon of distilled water...

One would need a digital PH meter ( they are not too expensive ) and apply
caution with determining the strength to use if using any product that was
not prepared specifically for internal use.

Best Regards,

Jason

- Original Message -
From: Nenah Sylver ne...@bestweb.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 2:13 PM
Subject: CSquestion about Potassium Hydroxide


 Hi Folks.

 I called a couple of chemical companies today about Potassium Hydroxide
for the
 CS. Here's what I found out:

 1) P.H. is not made as a food grade item.

 2) There is one way of making it that is the equivalent of food grade, but
they
 cannot say for internal consumption on the label.

 To those of you who put P.H. in your distilled water before adding the
silver
 electrodes to make your CS, I am wondering: (1) Which grade of P.H. do you
use,
 and (2) how much of a 10% P.H. solution (drops) would you use for about 1
gallon
 of CS?

 The company that makes the purer stuff wants to put me through a 2-day
screening
 process, and I don't want to wait. The company selling the cheaper stuff
will
 send it out to me right away. If purity doesn't matter, then I will buy
the
 cheaper stuff.

 So I'd appreciate feedback ASAP.

 Many thanks.
 Nenah


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Re: CSSEM Images of silver protein products

[Jason Eaton]

Frank:

Nicely done.

- Jason

- Original Message -
From: Frank Key fr...@colloidalsciencelab.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 2:29 PM
Subject: CSSEM Images of silver protein products


 Here are scanning electron microscope (SEM) images of the silver particles
 in silver protein type products.

 When you see a product that advertises 500, 1000, 2000, 5000 or 10,000 ppm
 you can be sure it is a silver protein based product. Typically, the
 protein is gelatin. The gelatin is needed because the particles are so
large
 that they would not stay suspended in water.

 These products are known to cause argyria.

 http://www.silver-colloids.com/Reports/SEM-Images.htm

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Re: CSquestion about Potassium Hydroxide

[Jason Eaton]

Hi Marshall!

You are right and wrong both!

http://www.spch.fr/en/cl.htm

Potassium Hydroxide is also sold as a lye for industrial applications!

Best Regards,

Jason

- Original Message -
From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 2:36 PM
Subject: Re: CSquestion about Potassium Hydroxide


 Jason Eaton wrote:

  Nenah:
 
  Purity does matter, as does understanding the concentration involved.
  Potassium Hydroxide at high concentrations is also known as lye.

 Lye is sodium hydroxide, not potassium hydroxide. But it can be used to
 stabalize ph just as well.

 Marshall

 
 
  Potassium Hydroxide at industrial strengths is very dangerous.  Bases
can be
  just as dangerous as acids.
 
  http://www.ionlight.com/water/waterarticles/SangWhang/degenerative.html
 
  CanCell was one of the big promoters of such an alkaline base water.
 
  I've never had to research into purity issues or concentration
strengths.
  At the higher levels of concentration, a single drop might be too much
for a
  gallon of distilled water...
 
  One would need a digital PH meter ( they are not too expensive ) and
apply
  caution with determining the strength to use if using any product that
was
  not prepared specifically for internal use.
 
  Best Regards,
 
  Jason
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Nenah Sylver ne...@bestweb.net
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 2:13 PM
  Subject: CSquestion about Potassium Hydroxide
 
   Hi Folks.
  
   I called a couple of chemical companies today about Potassium
Hydroxide
  for the
   CS. Here's what I found out:
  
   1) P.H. is not made as a food grade item.
  
   2) There is one way of making it that is the equivalent of food grade,
but
  they
   cannot say for internal consumption on the label.
  
   To those of you who put P.H. in your distilled water before adding the
  silver
   electrodes to make your CS, I am wondering: (1) Which grade of P.H. do
you
  use,
   and (2) how much of a 10% P.H. solution (drops) would you use for
about 1
  gallon
   of CS?
  
   The company that makes the purer stuff wants to put me through a 2-day
  screening
   process, and I don't want to wait. The company selling the cheaper
stuff
  will
   send it out to me right away. If purity doesn't matter, then I will
buy
  the
   cheaper stuff.
  
   So I'd appreciate feedback ASAP.
  
   Many thanks.
   Nenah
  
  
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Re: CSquestion about Potassium Hydroxide

[Jason Eaton]

Nenah:

http://www.shamanshop.net/store/proddetail.cfm/ItemID/9345.0/CategoryID/1000
0.0/SubCatID/1045.0/file.htm

Here is a food grade Potassium Hydroxide @ 40% for plants/soils.

I don't think product comes close to Alpha Omega Labs bio-energized
potassium hydroxide ( bio-energized using scalar technology, which certainly
doesn't have scientifically proven effects ), but in the end, we're still
just dealing with hydrogen ions.

Best Regards,

Jason

- Original Message -
From: Nenah Sylver ne...@bestweb.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 2:13 PM
Subject: CSquestion about Potassium Hydroxide


 Hi Folks.

 I called a couple of chemical companies today about Potassium Hydroxide
for the
 CS. Here's what I found out:

 1) P.H. is not made as a food grade item.

 2) There is one way of making it that is the equivalent of food grade, but
they
 cannot say for internal consumption on the label.

 To those of you who put P.H. in your distilled water before adding the
silver
 electrodes to make your CS, I am wondering: (1) Which grade of P.H. do you
use,
 and (2) how much of a 10% P.H. solution (drops) would you use for about 1
gallon
 of CS?

 The company that makes the purer stuff wants to put me through a 2-day
screening
 process, and I don't want to wait. The company selling the cheaper stuff
will
 send it out to me right away. If purity doesn't matter, then I will buy
the
 cheaper stuff.

 So I'd appreciate feedback ASAP.

 Many thanks.
 Nenah


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Re: CSAdditives to CS production...

[Jason Eaton]

Nenah:

I don't know about baking soda, as I've never used it.

I only utilize Potassium Hydroxide in CS enough to balance the PH level;
only a very small amount is needed to adjust the PH to 7.0, and according to
the information I have, TEM analysis has demonstrated no adverse effects to
the solution.

Best Regards,

Jason


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From: Nenah Sylver ne...@bestweb.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 4:07 AM
Subject: Re: CSAdditives to CS production...



 - Original Message -
 From: Jason Eaton ey...@cox.net
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 7:34 PM
 Subject: Re: CSAdditives to CS production...


  Hi Mike!
 
  Well said...
 
  Potassium Hydroxide can be used to raise the PH of a CS without due
harm.
 
  Hydronium can be used to adjust to the acidic side ( ie for skin care
  products, where a more acidic ph may be desired ).
 
  Of course, I would never use either substance before or during
production,
  only after!
 
  Best Regards,
 
  Jason

 Yet Jason, from what Mike said, adding baking soda to the CS even after
 production can cause the silver to form compounds. What proportion of the
final
 solution would be compromised? I don't want to ruin it.

 Thanks.
 Nenah


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Re: CSAdditives to CS production...

[Jason Eaton]

Hi Nenah:

I... used to obtain my solution from Alpha Omega Labs.  It's their Hrx
Solution, which I and others have used extensively over the last year or so
with excellent results.

To adjust the PH level of a silver solution to 7.0 only requires an
extremely minute amount ( we only want to adjust the hydrogen, not add
carbonate or salt into the mix, and Potassium Hydroxide is the single
substance I've found that is equal to the task with CS ).  For my high PH
water ( ~ 10.0 - 10.5 ), I utilize distilled water, a very small amount of
bentonite, and add a touch of CS.

This helped greatly with my own recovery from internal acidic conditions
that resulted in some minor -- if not painful -- cancer inconveniences.

Sadly, the owners of Alpha Omega Labs are currently in jail, and the
products I was getting ready to order have been seized by the FDA:

http://www.altcancer.com

And all shipments of orders suspended.

While their website has been taken down, I have put it back up ( after
arguing a bit with the company that sells me my bulk server space ):

http://altcancer.silvermedicine.org

All of the extensive data is present, minus the videos, which I have on CD
and hard-drive.  Sadly, every once and awhile the server failed to deliver
an image, so every once and awhile one might see a broken image on their
site.  I'm hoping that this can be rectified when their web designer is
released from federal custody.

I'm certain that both the Hrx and the H3O ( hydronium ) formulations will be
released for sale in the United States, once the Feds actually CHARGE Alpha
Omega Labs.

I found a local source for a solution, but it is inferior to the sol I'm
used to getting; it's not as concentrated and thus much more expensive, plus
I'm not exactly certain about their quality controls.

There are quite a few companies that resell their products, and may still
have some stock.

Hopefully, there will be more news next week.  I figure the US Federal
Government cannot hold them forever without filing charges - at least
without a national security seal slapped on their operations.

Best Regards,

Jason


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From: Nenah Sylver ne...@bestweb.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: CSAdditives to CS production...



 - Original Message -
 From: Jason Eaton ey...@cox.net
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 1:56 PM
 Subject: Re: CSAdditives to CS production...


  Nenah:
 
  I don't know about baking soda, as I've never used it.
 
  I only utilize Potassium Hydroxide in CS enough to balance the PH level;
  only a very small amount is needed to adjust the PH to 7.0, and
according to
  the information I have, TEM analysis has demonstrated no adverse effects
to
  the solution.
 
  Best Regards,
 
  Jason

 Wow Jason, this sounds great. Since you already have a good recipe that
does not
 adversely affect the solution, I'd like to use yours rather than labor
with
 baking soda. Where do you obtain Potassium Hydroxide? And how exactly do
you use
 it?

 Many thanks.

 Nenah


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Re: CSAdditives to CS production...

[Jason Eaton]

Hi Mike!

Well said...

Potassium Hydroxide can be used to raise the PH of a CS without due harm.

Hydronium can be used to adjust to the acidic side ( ie for skin care
products, where a more acidic ph may be desired ).

Of course, I would never use either substance before or during production,
only after!

Best Regards,

Jason



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To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 5:25 PM
Subject: CSAdditives to CS production...


 To Nenah and others discussing this:

 It kinda surprises me that it has come up.

 Back in the early days we were taught to use a pinch of salt (NaCl)
 or a drop or two of salt solution in our brew vessels as a starter to
 get the process going more quickly. Baking soda was also a suggested
 alternative.

 The result was a process that worked at high current and very rapidly,
 producing large particles that often settled out after a few days or
 weeks. In only took a few minutes to produce a batch, and your
 electrodes never had a chance to collect any fluff. The recipes you
 found online commonly stated that you would get about 1ppm per
 minute.

 It was quite exciting to watch, in fact, with all the bubbling and
 whisps of stuff coming off the electrodes.

 A lot of people used this method for a long time, and some still do. It
 was the first process I learned, and I used it for a year or two. It
 worked and was part and parcel of the popularization of Colloidal
 Silver in the modern era.

 Generally, people started moving towards using only distilled water
 when they began examining the particle size issue.

 There was some concern that the larger particles presented an increased
 risk of argyria, though that effect was never demonstrated. (Of course,
 now there's Stan, the Senate candidate.)

 There was also concern that the use of  a starter produced other
 compounds (like silver chloride or carbonate), at least in the early
 stages of the process, that could be harmful in and of themselves. This
 was never proved to be a real concern, given the low toxicity and
 concentration of the likely by-products.  (Except in Stan's case, of
 course! sigh)

 Nonetheless, people started working to understand the process in pure
 distilled water, leading to countless experiments in current limiting,
 other voltage ranges, AC vs. DC, polarity switching, and so on.

 All this is somewhat apart from the issue of pH. Adding buffers to the
 CS *after* production will still effect the ionic portion, likely
 leading to some colorful displays along the way as your silver ions
 precipitate and agglomerate into particles of silver salts.

 Certainly worth study. Perhaps a way can be found to balance the pH
 without compromising the silver component?

 One other thing I can suggest, if you're interested in the utility of
 these methods, is that *very low* concentrations of production
 additives were never explored to my satisfaction. They *might* prove
 beneficial to ease-of-production and reproduceability with minimal
 impact on safety or effectiveness. Who knows, eh?

 For the sake of the newcomers and lurkers, please understand that for
 now, at least, standard practice is to use only distilled water.

 That's your bed-time story for today. G'night boys and girls! grin

 Be well,

 Mike D.

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Re: CSYellow tinted CS!!

[Jason Eaton]

Mike:

Why don't you, however, share the lab results that were obtained from the
study of your production process?  And contrast that to the readings you
swore you would get?

Yes, I am aware of the lab results obtained from your product
specifications; what I'm surprised at is your instance that theory outways
analytical study -- still.

It is quite baffling, but I do enjoy your explorations, ideas, and reports
immensely.

Best Regards,

Jason

- Original Message -
From: Mike Monett 31dtzj...@sneakemail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 12:05 AM
Subject: Re: CSYellow tinted CS!!


 url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m62910.html
 Re: CSYellow tinted CS!!
 From: Harvey Norris
 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 23:01:03

The moon is too far away to influence any of the parameters that
affect the  cs process. When you get  unrepeatable  results, you
need to control these parameters better.

Best Regards,

Mike Monett

You're up  against  the   consensus  here,  Thomas  the Doubter...
scientifically schooled and scientifically fooled. HDN, I  need no
futher comments here just to make my snyde comments Hyde...

   Yes, Harvey, I guess you got me pegged. I don't believe in  magic or
   witchcraft. I  don't  believe  in free  energy,  over-unity,  or Tom
   Bearden's scalar  waves.  I don't believe in a  lot  of  things that
   scams are made from.

   And I don't believe solar flares or the phase of the moon can affect
   the production  of  cs.   I  believe  in  controlling contamination,
   current density  at  the electrodes, quality of  the  dw,  and using
   precision constant  current sources, Faraday's  equations,  and good
   instrumentation. And my cs is not affected by the phase of the moon.

   So the  next  time you make cs during a full moon,  take  your frog,
   circle the cs generator three times in a  counterclockwise direction
   to set  up  the  proper  vortex, then  three  times  in  a clockwise
   direction, all the while chanting your favorite mantra.

   Then eat the frog.

 Best Regards,

 Mike Monett


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Re: CSCool Mist H202

[Jason Eaton]

Rob:

Good for you!

I do the same thing with silver:  Crank up the volume until you notice a rash, 
then back off just a touch and HOLD, as long as there are absolutley no 
pulmonary symptoms accompanied as a part of a herx.

With H2o2, my thoughts are to practice a bit more caution ( compared to silver 
).  Upon resumption, after your herx symptoms have subsided, the next herx 
reaction should be less pronounced.  My idea of caution, however, is based on 
lack of experience with h2o2 and the lungs ( my brief experience was only with 
silver and h2o2 in the lungs, something I will not repeat ); I know quite a few 
people who have extensively used h2o2 IV therapy, and safely, although the 
caustic nature of H2o2 is hard on the veins.  In the cases I'm aware of, silver 
was eventually substituted, and worked more effectively ( via ultrasonic 
nebulizer ), but that doesn't mean it always will!

My understanding is that proponents of oxygen therapies nearly unanimously 
agree that it is safer to utilize h2o2 via any means other than oral.

The pathway from the lungs to the bloodstream is a very short one; of course 
this is dependant upon the SUBSTANCE inhaled.

Please let us know your continuing experience!

Best Regards,

Jason

  - Original Message - 
  From: Robb Allen 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 11:11 PM
  Subject: CSCool Mist H202


  Hi Everyone

  I was readying the other day where a more effective way  to introduce H202 to 
your body was to use cool mist humidifiers.  I decided to try it and I added 8 
ounces of 2% to 1 gallon of water.  I left the humidifier on for the entire 
nite while I was sleeping.  The next day I woke up not feeling any different 
aside from my nose being a little clearer.  I decided at that moment to try it 
further to see what if anything would happen.  At about 8pm that same day I 
began herxing really bad.  I felt like I had the flu.  Joints were aching 
really bad and I felt hot and sweaty.  I did this for 3 days straight and I'm 
still having the herx symptoms.  I'm going to stop for a few days and see if 
the symptoms go away.  If they do then I know I am on to something good here.  
I generally have a low temperature so my thinking is that I have an oxydation 
problem in my body.  I'm not sure how good the pathway is from your lungs to 
your bloodstream.I'm not an expert.but I would think that it should be 
more effective than drinking that nasty stuff!!  I have never felt any benefits 
to drinking h2o2.but this experience is tottally different.  

  Does anyone have any thoughts about this protocol?  I also have heard that 
after a few weeks my hair could turn lighter..so I'll keep an eye on that 
toothanks..Robb


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Re: CSWayback Machine

[Jason Eaton]

Greetings, all:

I am pleased to announce that I have authorization to republish the entire 
altcancer.com website, and will shortly be making preperations to do so.

Greg is also thinking about making CD's of the website available as well, 
although I'm not EXACTLY certain why - perhaps to help with the legal 
challenges that lie ahead.

For the time being, once setup, the new home for altcancer.com will be:

altcancer.silvermedicine.org

When this website is setup, it would be advantageous for those with websites to 
link to the domain, if it does not interfere with their own project aims, for 
search engine indexing purposes.

For those of you who have had no dealings with altcancer.com, this will give 
you the opportunity to view some extraordinary information, including the photo 
testimonials and independent research that they have become well known for 
world-wide.

As an example, I've seen six skin cancer cures, including at least two 
melanomas, with a single 50.00 purchase of their product, and observed 
extraordinarily drastic PH increases from saturating the body with Alkaline 
Water from their HRX product, which as at least twice as good as the Potassium 
Hydroxide solutions I can buy locally.

Their healing clay line was a direct result of our collaborative research, and 
while I don't believe their bentonite is the best on the market, it is a virgin 
clay for sale at a fraction of the costs that other alt health care marketeers 
charged.

I was looking forward to testing their new line of edible ( and some made w/ 
silver ) zappers from the Russian Federation, but sadly did not purchase any to 
test, and may not have the opportunity to do so.  Their ozonated healing salves 
were fantastic, and when used in conjunction with both silver and clay, 
completely eliminated scar tissue in three skin cancer removals I observed.

Best Regards,

Jason

P.S. Thank you Mike for the suggestion to download the website, and for 
tolerating my off-topic posting!

Best Regards,

Jason


- Original Message - 
  From: Jonathan B. Britten 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 6:19 PM
  Subject: Re: CSWayback Machine


  R.e. the archive.org link below: 

  Some pages from altcancer.com are preserved here, but most are not. 

  Jason did good. 


  JBB




  On Friday, Oct 3, 2003, at 00:48 Asia/Tokyo, bliv...@aol.com wrote:


Some broken or missing links can be accessed here:
http://www.archive.org/
 
I think it was 'ole' Bob that said not to clean the anode, I never do and 
when a batch is incomplete or finished I leave the wires in the solution until 
I transfer it to a bottle then fill the brewing jar with DW. I keep my wires 
wet at all times and might clean my brewing jar once a year.
 
Just checked some two or three year old CS that I keep in Arizona Ice Tea 
(blue) Memory Tonic bottles that you no longer can buy because it had Ginkgo 
Biloba in it. Just as pretty as when I first made it with very little fallout.  
 
Sometimes I drink a couple of quarts of CS a day.
 
I think the Wayback Machine name was taken from the Rocky and Bullwinkle 
cartoon.
 
Michael



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Re: CSlow ppm- concentrated CS- what?

[Jason Eaton]

Reid:

.2 uS is good water, compared to the distilled water I've been testing
lately off the shelf.

I usually don't have very good luck water water if it gets above 1.0 uS, and
I'm thrilled on the rare occasion of measuring 0.6 in the brewing vessel
prior to production.

Best Regards,

Jason

- Original Message -
From: Reid Harvey pott...@wlink.com.np
To: silver list silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 8:37 PM
Subject: CSlow ppm- concentrated CS- what?


 Everybody,
 Now I'm wondering if my PWT may need calibration.  For one thing the
 de-ionized distilled water I use, which I was told is about 7.0 TDS (7.0
 mg./l.) has indicated 0.2 uS on the PWT.  Does this sound about right?
 I first thought that 7.0 TDS would read around 5.0 to 7.0 uS?  Is the
 device haywire or am I?
 Reid


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Re: CSRE: altcancer.com and orderiing

[Jason Eaton]

Greetings, all:

As I mentioned previously, I have secured all of the data from altcancer.com, 
which is now offline.  The staff of Alpha Omega Labs has asked me to make 
available, at this time, two informational documents for public viewing, which, 
the principal interests being in jail currently, truly reach very close to home!

I have added a statement and links @ silvermedicine.org

http://www.silvermedicine.org
http://www.silvermedicine.org/altcancer/lysis.htm
http://www.silvermedicine.org/altcancer/lsysis5.htm

I have no problem, if it becomes necessary, making the entire website available 
on a CD.  However, I'd like to ask to hold off on that a bit, as I will have to 
redo much of the linking structure of the website, as some of the images and 
hyperlinks are referenced via their actual domain name ( known as an absolute 
url rather than a relative url )-- this means if I burn a CD as is, quite a few 
of the images and links will show as being broken even though the images and 
files are actually present, because the browser will be looking for the images 
on Alpha Omega's altcancer.com website, which currently no longer exists.

Going through the files I've saved, every once in a long while I come across an 
image that wasn't downloaded for one reason or another ( probably a server 
hickup ), but everything is intact.  If I have to change all of the link and 
image references so that they work properly from a local source ( such as a CD 
), this will not be a problem.  However, all of this will hopefully not be 
necessary.  As it stands, viewing the site from a local hard drive, another 
server, or a CD results in broken links and broken images.

I would prefer to see how things pan out, and have offered to make the complete 
website available online as an independent and non-materially linked party.  In 
this scenario, the Alpha Omega Labs name would have to be removed from the 
information, and substituted with something like information about Alpha Omega 
Labs Products...  Or a similiar arrangment, minus the store.

In fact, it was alot easier for me to simply upload the whole website rather 
than just a few files ( just a few clicks rather than a few dozen clicks ), and 
being the lazy individual I am, I just renamed the main index page to 
z9_index.htm so that nobody would be ever be able to figure out what the old 
index page was, and so that nobody would be able access any of the other pages 
which are present on the server.  After all, nobody would be able to guess that 
all the files ( not the videos or a few subdirectories, but all of the data ) 
are actually in the subdirectory altcancer on the silvermedicine.org domain.  
Accessing these files is NOT permitted by the public, is NOT available from a 
publically linked access point, is NOT authorized by anyone, and constitutes a 
breach of my server privacy and unauthorized use of my bandwidth, and it is 
going to make me VERY upset if anyone accesses them.

I would like to wait to see what strategy Alpha Omega Labs wants to go with 
before writing them-- and their website -- as completely done with.

Best Regards,

Jason



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Re: CSRE: altcancer.com and orderiing

[Jason Eaton]

Jonathan:

I wouldn't be too alarmed at the use of an alias.  I have many aliases I 
utilize in the world, and there are many legitimate and non-sinister reasons 
for doing so, including protecting other interests that may be in conflict with 
various projects...  Including protecting stock-holders interests, venture 
capital, etc...  It's not always an ominous sign.

I believe those with metaphysical training can tell alot about the man James 
Carr who calls himself a phytochemist, by looking at his picture, as founder 
of Lumen Foods Inc.:

http://www.soybean.com/assault1.htm

and

http://www.soybean.com/bio.htm

Being a supporter of genetically altered food ( as an example ), is at odds 
with the ideologies that many carry in the natural medicine world.  It would 
not be wise nor prudent to mix apples with oranges, in this case.  Greg's 
stance on all issues he believes in is:  Authentic, passionate, well thought 
out, well documented, and above all sincere and intelligently executed.  Alpha 
Omega labs is unparalleled in their pursuit of information, knowledge, 
correspondance, and an extraordinary willingness to work with doctors... the 
list is endless.

I've had the privelege of corresponding with him at a very deep level on many 
occassions, topics ranging from advanced Tesla technology, standing wave and 
holoform technology, advanced cancer treatment, etc.  Which is excellent, as I 
have benefitted from his experience, thoughts, and intellegence...  Which is.. 
uncomfortable, since the federal goverment now has a copy of all private 
correspondance from his computer system!  Well, you know what they say:  You 
only live once.

I have no idea how they messed up their business so badly, thinking that a 
business based out of the Bahamas was going to insulate their operations in 
Louisiana.  If I would have known, I would have attempted ( possibly in vain? ) 
to convince them to fully insulate themselves, or comply with FDA and FTC 
requirements.

However, the exact same thing can be said about several prominent manufacturers 
of colloidal silver products today.  HEED WELL:  The first warning letter to 
them that I found was, I believe in 1989.

It would be wise, especially now ( we issued a warning to our alt med 
associates about eight months ago ), for retail producers to remember the case 
of the US Federal Goverment against James Kimball ( DEDI ).

With Best Regards,

Jason





  - Original Message - 
  From: Jonathan B. Britten 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 5:03 PM
  Subject: Re: CSRE: altcancer.com and orderiing


  I heard from the company this morning. The man I have corresponded with as 
James Carr has, the company tells me, is also known as Greg Caton. Why two 
names I do not know. Anyway, he is in jail and will not be released I am told. 

  The company has no products anywhere, the correspondent writes. 

  I think this is bad news. As for the need for two names for Carr/Caton, I 
have no idea about that and hope to find out more. I do not like the sound of 
that, frankly. All the same, I know that some of the products work very well, 
exactly as claimed. 



  On Thursday, Oct 2, 2003, at 00:54 Asia/Tokyo, Me wrote:




I am unable to keep up with all the posts..so I think I may have messed 
up here. I just ordered some of their product last night due to my husband 
having skin and prostate cancer. Is there any chance I would receive it or 
should I just order it from the Bahama's. Any help would be appreciated. Love 
the list and it's discussion. As you can see I need a lot of help. Got yellow 
cs last time, and clear from the individual who made us our generator. Haven't 
gotten to the bottom of the problem. Am I to take the yellow or should it just 
be discarded. Thanks again, Norma  kath...@pacbell.net



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Re: CSRE: altcancer.com and orderiing

[Jason Eaton]

Dean:

Yes - Ironic isn't it?  Greg Caton, aka James Carr of Alpha Omega Labs.

Best Regards,

Jason

- Original Message -
From: Dean Miller dtmil...@midiowa.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 9:37 PM
Subject: Re: CSRE: altcancer.com and orderiing


 On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 18:51:42 -0700, Jason Eaton ey...@cox.net
 wrote:

 I've had the privelege of corresponding with him at a very deep level on
many occassions, topics ranging from advanced Tesla technology, standing
wave and holoform technology, advanced cancer treatment, etc.  Which is
excellent, as I have benefitted from his experience, thoughts, and
intellegence...  Which is.. uncomfortable, since the federal goverment now
has a copy of all private correspondance from his computer system!  Well,
you know what they say:  You only live once.

 Wow, Greg Caton??

 I've also had a bit of correspondence with him, mainly about soybeans
 and how he processes them and the manufacturing problems he had (we
 talked as well via radio -- we're both ham operators and we were into
 setting up a survival radio network prior to 1/1/2000).

 The Feds are really starting to get to me!

 -- Dean -- from (almost) Des Moines -- KB0ZDF


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Re: CSaltcancer.com web site

[Jason Eaton]

Mike:

Yes, it appears that Jade and the Carr's are in trouble, which does not bode
well for things.

I'm currently waiting to hear from them, and I have made an offer to assist
with their website.  I will download a duplicate of the entire site as a
precaution today, that is a great idea.

Best Regards,

Jason

- Original Message -
From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 2:02 PM
Subject: Re: CSaltcancer.com web site


  The altcancer.com  web site still operates last I checked

 It would be prudent, I think, for a number of us to bulk-copy this site
 to our local drives so the information in the many articles there is
 not lost to us.

 Does anybody know a good way to do this?

 One program I tried cannot navigate the drop-down selection boxes they
 use on their site map page and so got none of the pages on cancer, for
 instance.

 Be well,

 Mike D.

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Re: CSaltcancer.com web site

[Jason Eaton]

Mike:

I've confirmed successful download of 2049 files, totalling 70.1 megs of
data.

It appears that all files are present, including the information pages on
cancer, testimonials, etc...  I also went and downloaded their video
archives ( 200+ megs of data ).

Unfortunately, from what I can see, it looks like the website is hosted on
US Soil.  This also does not bode well for their current problems.

Best Regards,

Jason

- Original Message -
From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 2:02 PM
Subject: Re: CSaltcancer.com web site


  The altcancer.com  web site still operates last I checked

 It would be prudent, I think, for a number of us to bulk-copy this site
 to our local drives so the information in the many articles there is
 not lost to us.

 Does anybody know a good way to do this?

 One program I tried cannot navigate the drop-down selection boxes they
 use on their site map page and so got none of the pages on cancer, for
 instance.

 Be well,

 Mike D.

 [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
 [mdev...@eskimo.com]
 [Speaking only for myself...   ]


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Re: CSaltcancer.com web site

[Jason Eaton]

Jonathan:

I have it all...

I am currently working with the... remaining?  staff of Alpha Omega Labs
concerning options for their website.  I don't know how serious or exactly
which allegations are being made by the FDA currently, nor Alpha Omega Labs
exact strategy toward FDA compliance, resumption of operations, etc., but I
have made myself available to them, and have opened an active dialog to
discuss the situation of their website, FDA compliance, etc.

I'm currently seeking some outside advice on the exact letter of the law,
and the best way to get as many of their products as possible back on track.

There may be multiple issues involved, including medical devices and
biologicals ( drugs ) that do not qualify for protection under the
Supplement Act...

In the event that the website is taken down completely, Alpha Omega Labs
dissappears, or other unforseeable act of unkindness, I will personally
strip the store off of the information, and make the website freely
available for its informational value, provided that I am not prevented from
doing so by the owners of the copyrights.

I hope it doesn't come to that!

Best Regards,

Jason

- Original Message -
From: Jonathan B. Britten jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: CSaltcancer.com web site


 Hello,

 How glad I am that others are as concerned as I am!  I think the
 altcancer site is priceless.

   If Jason or someone else would be kind enough to burn a CD of the
 downloaded site archive,  I would be happy to retain one,  and make
 copies or transfers for persons interested in future. I would pay
 for the CD and shipping of course.

 You did a wise thing, Jason!   It never even crossed my mind to do that.



 JBB





 On Wednesday, Oct 1, 2003, at 05:44 Asia/Tokyo, Jason Eaton wrote:

  Mike:
 
  I've confirmed successful download of 2049 files, totalling 70.1 megs
  of
  data.
 
  It appears that all files are present, including the information pages
  on
  cancer, testimonials, etc...  I also went and downloaded their video
  archives ( 200+ megs of data ).
 
  Unfortunately, from what I can see, it looks like the website is
  hosted on
  US Soil.  This also does not bode well for their current problems.
 
  Best Regards,
 
  Jason
 
  - Original Message -
  From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 2:02 PM
  Subject: Re: CSaltcancer.com web site
 
 
  The altcancer.com  web site still operates last I checked
 
  It would be prudent, I think, for a number of us to bulk-copy this
  site
  to our local drives so the information in the many articles there is
  not lost to us.
 
  Does anybody know a good way to do this?
 
  One program I tried cannot navigate the drop-down selection boxes they
  use on their site map page and so got none of the pages on cancer, for
  instance.
 
  Be well,
 
  Mike D.
 
  [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
  [mdev...@eskimo.com]
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Re: CSCancer and CS ions

[Jason Eaton]

Jonathan:

I think many, many of us agree with you.  There are few words I can find to
describe the greatness of Dr. Becker's work.

Sadly, he is quickly reaching the end of his researching capabilities, and I
don't see anyone willing to follow up on his research.  Through the years,
researchers, scientists, and medical practitioners have utilized his
methods, and made critical mistakes along the way, and thus have missed many
of the finer points of Dr. Becker's work.

Concerning cancer, we are suspecting that without iontophoresis, or the
RIGHT amount of minute current delivering the silver ions, cancer cells are
NOT reverted/dedifferentiated.  Recent laboratory studies that we are aware
of show silver ions killing human-born cancer cells in tissue studies.

I believe that Dr. Becker was truly on the brink of real human organ/tissue
regeneration, by utilizing silver and electromedicine.

Furthermore, I would not suggest small amounts of CS used any time one is
considering cancer treatment.  We believe that larger amounts may be
required, based on positive reports by those utilizing large amounts of CS,
and negative reports by those using small amounts of CS... Of course, the
type and location of the cancer may very well play into this.

If one uses properly prepared CS, there is no real risk associated with
large amounts ingested orally, especially if limited to several months... 3
or 4...  Long enough to evaluate use...

Best Regards,

Jason

- Original Message -
From: Jonathan B. Britten jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 6:11 PM
Subject: Re: CSCancer and CS ions


 And where in the world is the Nobel committee when we need them?   How
 have they overlooked R.O. Becker M.D.? This must be one of the
 greatest blunders in this history of the Nobel Prize.





 On Wednesday, Sep 24, 2003, at 07:33 Asia/Tokyo, Mike Monett wrote:

  url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m62716.html
  CSCancer and CS ions
  From: Trem
  Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 14:49:26
 
  Hi List,
 
  Here's some more interesting info I found by Robert O.  Becker and
  the use of silver ions. He did some work with silver ions relating
  to cancer  but never followed up. It could be that even  if cancer
  is caused by virus that the cells can differentiate back to normal
  cells by coming in contact with silver ions.
 
  In my opinion it would be a good idea to take CS on a  daily basis
  to kill  any cancer cells that may be growing inside  us  while we
  are unaware of them. It isn't until we can experience some symptom
  that we  then discover we have a problem. Why not stop  the cancer
  when it is small and before it gets to the size that we notice it.
 
  Trem
 
Trem,
 
Good advice!  It's much better to prevent problems than  try  to fix
the damage afterwards.
 
Becker's patent  on Stimulation of tissue healing has  been posted
before but  is well worth examining. The TIFF images are  quite poor
but they show a wound on the foot of a 54-year-old male  patient and
the middle  finger  of a 21-year-old  male  patient  after traumatic
amputation. You  may need a TIFF plugin to view the images,  or just
convert them to GIF in Paint Shop Pro.
 
Even with the poor quality images, the healing is very dramatic.
 
The patent is #5,814,094 issued September 29, 1998. Here's a link:
 
http://makeashorterlink.com/?A44352DF5
 
This is additional confirmation that the ions do the work!
 
  Best Regards,
 
  Mike Monett
 
 
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Re: CSWaterOz Ionic Silver - Silver Citrate

[Jason Eaton]

Hi Ken:

Another anion is used, quite possibly carbonate, a few people have even
hypothesized that the anion is nitrogen.

Best Regards,

Jason

- Original Message -
From: Ode Coyote coyote...@earthlink.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 3:50 AM
Subject: Re: CSWaterOz Ionic Silver - Silver Citrate


 If 13 PPM is the max ionic silver content [assuming a relationship between
 cations and ions..same thing only charge specific, right?] and a PWT uS
 reading bears a relationship to the quantity and concentraion of those
 ions...how come I can get as high a stable reading as 78 uS on the PWT
when
 making CS?
  Is it because there are not enough anions present in the water to
 'discharge' the silver cations?
  [78 uS is as high as I've gone and still produced a colorless CS but
 there's no reason I can see that I couldn't go higher.  TE at that reading
 is VERY strong indicating a total silver content probably beyond 150 PPM]

 Ode


 At 11:43 AM 9/6/2003 -0400, you wrote:
 Silver is a cation (+). For every cation there must be a companion anion
(-)
 present in a solution so that the net charge is zero.
 
 Pure water will allow about 13 ppm of silver cations using hydroxide as
the
 anion. Pure water supplies the hydroxide.
 
 If the goal is to make a concentration of  silver greater than 13 ppm,
then
 some additional anions must balance the cations. The salt formed from
 combining the cations and anions must form a water soluble compound.
Silver
 citrate is one such water soluble compound. Other water soluble compounds
of
 silver include silver nitrate and silver acetate.
 
 frank key
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Jonathan B. Britten jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 2:37 AM
 Subject: Re: CSWaterOz Ionic Silver - Silver Citrate
 
 
  Do you have any idea of the logic behind adding the citric acid?   I am
  not a chemist and can not venture even an uneducated guess.  Is there
  any underlying logic apparent to a chemist?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  On Saturday, Sep 6, 2003, at 06:23 Asia/Tokyo, Frank Key wrote:
 
   Ion Chromatograph has confirmed that citrate is the anion in WaterOz
   Ionic
   Silver.
  
   Silver citrate at a concentration of 100 ppm (WaterOz) can cause
   argyria if
   caution is not exercised in how much is consumed.
  
   Silver citrate can be produced by electrolysis by using  a colloidal
   silver
   generator of either HVAC or DC type design. By adding citric acid to
   the DI
   water before starting the process, citrate will become the companion
   anion
   when silver cations are added to the solution by electrolysis.
  
   The ph will be neutral when the silver cations balance the available
   citrate
   anions.
  
  
   frank key
  
  
  
  
  
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Re: CSWaterOz Ionic Silver - Silver Citrate

[Jason Eaton]

Frank:

That's great to know, thank you for the analysis.

Best Regards,

Jason

- Original Message -
From: Frank Key fr...@colloidalsciencelab.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 2:23 PM
Subject: CSWaterOz Ionic Silver - Silver Citrate


 Ion Chromatograph has confirmed that citrate is the anion in WaterOz Ionic
 Silver.

 Silver citrate at a concentration of 100 ppm (WaterOz) can cause argyria
if
 caution is not exercised in how much is consumed.

 Silver citrate can be produced by electrolysis by using  a colloidal
silver
 generator of either HVAC or DC type design. By adding citric acid to the
DI
 water before starting the process, citrate will become the companion anion
 when silver cations are added to the solution by electrolysis.

 The ph will be neutral when the silver cations balance the available
citrate
 anions.


 frank key





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Re: CSA Good Read

[Jason Eaton]

Greetings, all:

From what I know about ASAP silver, I would definately concur with Frank's
exposition.

Antibacterial time kill studies have demonstrated that ASAP silver is an
effective silver, but certainly not the best ionic silver on the market.  I
do, however, like the folks at ASAP, because they do alot of RD which, in
an indirect manner, helps us all.  Point and case is the initial BYU
studies.

Best Regards,

Jason

- Original Message -
From: Frank Key fr...@colloidalsciencelab.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 8:26 AM
Subject: Re: CSA Good Read


 ASAP is an HVAC produced ionic silver product not unlike what many folks
 make at home. While their ads claim that their product is 95% silver
 particles, it is actually around 90% ionic just like most other HVAC
 produced ionic silver, in fact most ionic silver solutions, both AC and DC
 produced, tend to gravitate toward 90% ionic.

 From our measurements they are able to reliably keep their concentration
at
 the value stated on the label. This is not as easy as one would think and
it
 is something many other producers of ionic silver have yet to achieve.
They
 also seem to have a good handle on maintaining their particle size in the
 10-15 nm range which is typical for properly produced HVAC solutions,
 although many other commercially produced HVAC solution have larger
 particles.  Most DC produced solutions have particles that are much larger
 according to our lab analysis.

 For more info on these issues see the Commercial Product Reports shown
here:
  http://www.silver-colloids.com/Reports/reports.html


 frank key


 Hello List,
 Clifton Mining (CFTN-OTC) and American Biotech produce a colloidal silver
 compound that arrests the effects of malaria.


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Re: CSSystem PH

[Jason Eaton]

Robb:

I'm very glad you've decided to adjust you body's ph level.

A.  What is the measurement of your saliva in the morning, midday, and
evening?

B.  Take it easy on the calcium while you adjust your body's PH level.  Are
you using Hrx in all of your water, raising it to 9.5-10.0?

If so:  Continue with what you are doing.  Depending on your soft tissue ph
levels, you may go through a pretty big shift shortly.  I noticed that one's
primary systems begin to adjust, the acid starts being pulled from the
soft tissues and must be elimininated via the lymphatic system.  Have you
tracked your levels daily since beginning?

If you have to reduce either lemon water or calcium at this point, I would
choose the calcium.  The lemon is great body cleanser, and when PH levels
are corrected in the body, the body is capable of naturally adsorbing and
utilizing more calcium.

Best Regards,

Jason



- Original Message -
From: Robb Allen rube2...@hotmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 6:05 AM
Subject: CSSystem PH


 HiI have finally bought some ph strips and tested myself.  My morning
 urine is 5.3.  I've been on the water cure for 3 weeks now.so I don't
 know how low my ph  was before that.  My water here (very good well) tests
 nearly 9 after adding my sea salt.  I've been drinking a gallon every day.
 I would like some more advice on raising my ph more.  I am also adding HRX
 from altcancer.com to my water which raises it to 10.  I'm really confused
 about the whole lemon - calcium ph thing.  I'm not sure when to take my
 lemon waterand when and how much calcium to take because I know the
two
 try to cancel each other out.  As always, your advice makes a difference
to
 me.if you have advice or more questionsplease
 respond..thanks!Robb


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Re: CSnegative effect on benefical gut bacteria?

[Jason Eaton]

Bill:

I don't think you should use the word Meso associated with your products.  
They hardly compare, especially since MesoSilver is a registered trademark.  
Further, you may want to consider informing your customer base that you no 
longer carry Mesosilver...  Since I'm already informing them, some of which 
still thought they were buying Meso-products when ordering from you.

Best Regards,

Jason
silvermedicine.org


For the last 2 years I have taken about 2 tsp of very small particle, low ionic 
colloidal silver (listers would know this as the meso type cs.) 

Bill

Re: CSBurn treatment with bentonite and CS ...

[Jason Eaton]

Weng:

I would not recommend combining DMSO and bentonite for topical application.
DMSO reacts with bentonite, and I do not, at this point, know the exact
reaction, but it is possible that the aluminum silicate bond may be broken,
which may result in depositing metallic and/or ionic aluminum directly into
the body.

Furthermore, except on rare circumstances, bentonite never actually enters
the bloodstream.  The rare circumstances account for a very minute amount of
the smallest possible clay particles entering the blood stream.  The effect
is beneficial, but an over-abundance of clay particles in the blood is
likely to result in extremely negative consequences; possibly the
destruction of red blood cells.

Barring further research, there are too many unknowns to truly predict a
positive experience.  It is likely that any risk associated with use is
negligible; I myself have experimented with the DMSO clay combination.
Extreme circumstances may provide reason for such experimentation,
however...  Such as conditions like jungle rot and other non-responsive
and illusive skin conditions ( of course, DMSO would have to be used very
carefully as well ).  In such a situation, I certainly wouldn't neglect to
include CS in the mixture.

Thanks for the comments!

Best Regards,

Jason

- Original Message -
From: WengChew Leong k...@e-access.com.au
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 7:09 PM
Subject: RE: CSBurn treatment with bentonite and CS ...


 Dear Eaton,
 Thanks for the great info on clay.

 I have read an article on DMSO and Vitamin B12 in www.mercola.com that
 says that
 DMSO is absorbed directly through the skin and it will carry with it any

 impurities(good and bad) dissolved in it. Hence, I am wondering if you
 have assessed the
 effectiveness of Bentonite mixed with DMSO.

 Anyway, the author of the article says that he started to feel a sense
 of general strength
 and well being after an hour of this application of DMSO and B12. This
 is faster than taking
 oral or sublingual tablets.


 Regards,
 Weng

 -Original Message-
 From: Jason Eaton [mailto:ey...@cox.net]
 Sent: Thursday, 31 July, 2003 1:48 AM
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: Re: CSBurn treatment with bentonite and CS ...


 Mike:

 Thanks for the report!  My experience matches your description exactly.
 Over the last year, we've come along way in complicating -- I mean
 contemplating -- reasons for the effectiveness of clay applications,
 from a scientific point of view.  All known possible resources have now
 been exhausted.

 One of the Arizona Universities failed to uncover the mysteries of clay
 with a few well-intentioned but unsuccessful analytical studies.  They
 quickly ran out of ideas and time, and thus gave up.  World-renown and
 nobel prize winning Professor Alexander Graham Cairns-Smith was
 consulted -- by Thierry Brunet -- who showed brief interest, non-belief,
 and had no real -- even whimsical or hypothetical -- explanation to
 offer.  In fact, Thierry has travelled the world and met with every
 known expert on healing clays he could locate.  We now, by far, have the
 largest collection of knowledge and information ever assembled regarding
 the subject ( besides anecdotal experience by users, of course )...
 Some of France's prominent and gifted spiritual healers have examined
 clay, expressing amazement at the powerful healing energy the clay
 possesses. Initial Kirlian photography done by extremely knowledgable
 homeopaths in France has demonstrated that clay applied locally is an
 extraordinary stimulating force, and that clay ingested effects the
 body's metabolism within a few short minutes of ingestion... with an
 unexplainable reach far beyond the digestive system ( as we know, since
 ingesting clay initially can -- but won't always -- cause a slight
 increase in blood pressure, as an example ).

 We've collectively turned down an offer to present data at a United
 Nations WHO meeting, as the results of the last meeting ( which I did
 not attend ), while generating great interest via overwhelming evidence
 presented, there was also a great deal of skepticism, including
 half-hearted accusations of doctoring photos.  Beyond the interest, none
 of the needed support was acquired as a result...  It seems pointless
 to... continue the same thing expecting different results.
 Incidentally, I have some of the most amazing images one would ever see
 regarding the sheer power of healing clay...  But, these images cannot
 be released in any form publically, and one must have a stomach of solid
 steel to view them...  As this was a case of an infection where
 treatment had no chance of being successful ( too late ), but the
 individual elected to do the therapy ( there would have been no other
 hope anywhere ) because miracles can happen.  In this case, the
 individual eventually required amputation of a hand/forearm ( which
 would have been the first action if the clay therapy

Re: CSRe: The Ol' Bob Mike M. debate...

[Jason Eaton]

Andy:

I won't be ready to write my real book until I'm done caring about this world.  
The truth is simply just too painful and overwhelmingly joyous at the same time 
-- and also exceedingly dangerous.  It takes quite alot of illusion ( for us as 
people ) to maintain coherant consciousness in this world which is so seperated 
from nature, where the lines of division have been drawn knowingly by hands 
which touch far more than the fabric of society...  None of us is an exception 
to the rule.  Indeed, our enemy has always been both ignorance and the power of 
knowledge.  It's a double-edged sword that slices at both ends of the extremes 
and it is a self-sustaining system.

I enjoyed Levi's writing style...  Although I have always disagreed, 
occasionally venemously, with the hermetic traditions of masking things 
within secrecy and placing blinds within knowledge.  I spent quite some time in 
my very-younger days attempting to penetrate the 33+ levels of the mystery 
schools, with a touch of success here and there.  I probably would have never 
been open to the idea of colloidal silver had I not ( ironically enough ).

One of my favorite quotes ( paraphrased, I believe )

Fear not.  What is not real never has been and never shall be.  What is real 
always was and cannot be destroyed.

This is an abstract philosophical riddle that has a solution, or solvent, 
written into a hypothetical conceptual absolute. The riddle states that the 
final answer to fear lies in the fundamental definition of reality... That this 
solution can be comprehended by simply observing two facts in nature:  What is 
real and what is not.  Further, it provides the needed definition of reality as 
a starting point.  Ironically, the only way to solve it is finding something 
that cannot be destroyed, as one would have to wait eternity to see what truly 
remained otherwise.

The value comes in agonizing over any possible solvents to the riddle.  The 
conclusions are stunning if one chooses to accept the fundamental starting 
point -- conceptually.  The implications are equally profound.

Best Regards,

Jason







  - Original Message - 
  From: ascottsil...@aol.com 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 9:02 PM
  Subject: Re: CSRe: The Ol' Bob  Mike M. debate...


  Hi Jason,

  Way back when, I used to read Eliphas Levi, I was impressed by his idea that 
apathy was one of the greatest sins man could accomplish. I flashed back to 
that when I read your post.

  So here is the free plug: What is the name of your book and who publishes it?

  Best regards,
  Andy

  From: Jason Eaton snip

  In the pursuit of knowledge, one applies every known test, every possible
  idea.  Doing so may at times not be feasible or practical.  However, in my
  book, WANTING to do less is unexcuseable, and is the result of 1. laziness,
  2. fear, or 3. uncaring.

  I'm often amazed at how widespread wanting to say more and wanting to know
  less - is.

  Best Regards,

  Jason

Re: CSRe: The Ol' Bob Mike M. debate...

[Jason Eaton]

Will presuppositions allow unbiased examination of the evidence?
What would qualify as extraordinary evidence?
What criteria is used to determine extraordinary evidence?
Are criteria for extraordinary evidence reasonable?
---

All known methods of analytical study must be performed, and compared to
existing data.  I believe these analytical studies would show that Mike M.
is wrong on several points, but maybe not the ones that matter:  the
ogliodynamic properties of the silver, the particle dispersion, and the
efficacy against pathogens...

Bob is right -- there are alot of anomalies that can occur with the
production of CS.  There are even some that defy common sense and even
engineering theory -- and some that are even classified by DOD for national
security reasons.   There really is more to electricity than electrons.

In the pursuit of knowledge, one applies every known test, every possible
idea.  Doing so may at times not be feasible or practical.  However, in my
book, WANTING to do less is unexcuseable, and is the result of 1. laziness,
2. fear, or 3. uncaring.

I'm often amazed at how widespread wanting to say more and wanting to know
less - is.

Best Regards,

Jason



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Re: CSBurn treatment with bentonite and CS ...

[Jason Eaton]

Jack:

Yes, very true:  There is an actual disorder related to eating clay -- very
often the wrong clay -- that shouldn't be confused with real pelotherapy.
However, the base driving instinct is correct; it's the expression that is
the problem.

As an example, I was reading an abstract the other day; new in-vivo tests
prove that bentonite taking internally can reduce the adsorption -- or
perhaps increase the elimination -- of Lithium by over 30%.  The study was
done to see if bentonite -- on the FDA GRAS list -- could be a viable
treatment for a Lithium overdose.  The conclusion was affirmative.

Best Regards,

Jason



- Original Message -
From: Jack Dayton jack...@harbornet.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 3:36 AM
Subject: Re: CSBurn treatment with bentonite and CS ...


 Jason Eaton  7/31/03  5:47 AM

  I was hoping that the further research would begin to unveil the
  mysteries of clay healing from a scientific viewpoint.  Sadly, it has
done
  exactly the opposite!
 
 Thanks for that entire post  about the
 mysteries of the various properties of
 clay in many of it's forms, now I wont
 have to ask WHY clay does anything
 beneficial, - I thought it was for tennis
 courts, and ceramics only.

 I can't imagine eating clay, but I have
 read of people who do so compulsively.
 ( A mineral deficiency? )

 Jack


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Re: CSBurn treatment with bentonite and CS ...

[Jason Eaton]

Mike:

Thanks for the report!  My experience matches your description exactly.
Over the last year, we've come along way in complicating -- I mean
contemplating -- reasons for the effectiveness of clay applications, from a
scientific point of view.  All known possible resources have now been
exhausted.

One of the Arizona Universities failed to uncover the mysteries of clay with
a few well-intentioned but unsuccessful analytical studies.  They quickly
ran out of ideas and time, and thus gave up.  World-renown and nobel prize
winning Professor Alexander Graham Cairns-Smith was consulted -- by Thierry
Brunet -- who showed brief interest, non-belief, and had no real -- even
whimsical or hypothetical -- explanation to offer.  In fact, Thierry has
travelled the world and met with every known expert on healing clays he
could locate.  We now, by far, have the largest collection of knowledge and
information ever assembled regarding the subject ( besides anecdotal
experience by users, of course )...  Some of France's prominent and gifted
spiritual healers have examined clay, expressing amazement at the powerful
healing energy the clay possesses. Initial Kirlian photography done by
extremely knowledgable homeopaths in France has demonstrated that clay
applied locally is an extraordinary stimulating force, and that clay
ingested effects the body's metabolism within a few short minutes of
ingestion... with an unexplainable reach far beyond the digestive system (
as we know, since ingesting clay initially can -- but won't always -- cause
a slight increase in blood pressure, as an example ).

We've collectively turned down an offer to present data at a United Nations
WHO meeting, as the results of the last meeting ( which I did not attend ),
while generating great interest via overwhelming evidence presented, there
was also a great deal of skepticism, including half-hearted accusations of
doctoring photos.  Beyond the interest, none of the needed support was
acquired as a result...  It seems pointless to... continue the same thing
expecting different results.  Incidentally, I have some of the most amazing
images one would ever see regarding the sheer power of healing clay...  But,
these images cannot be released in any form publically, and one must have a
stomach of solid steel to view them...  As this was a case of an infection
where treatment had no chance of being successful ( too late ), but the
individual elected to do the therapy ( there would have been no other hope
anywhere ) because miracles can happen.  In this case, the individual
eventually required amputation of a hand/forearm ( which would have been the
first action if the clay therapy was not done ), but the knowledge and
insight gained from the treatment was nearly unfathomable -- to those with
experience with the nature of infections and tissue degeneration.  Email me
privately if you wish to see them.

Anyway, I was hoping that the further research would begin to unveil the
mysteries of clay healing from a scientific viewpoint.  Sadly, it has done
exactly the opposite!

Antibacterial Time kill studies demonstrated that Illite, which is another
class of green healing clay ( a mica, illuminosilicate ), actually promoted
the growth of bacteria in vitro.  Bentonite and Montmorillonite ( smectite,
illuminosilicates ) have proven antibacterial capabilities.  Our one
research experiment done with natural bentonite shows that the bentonite
silver mixture is effective against gram positive bacteria ( which the clay
responds very slow to ), with about a 15% reduction in efficacy of the
silver.  This is significant, as one can harness the benefits of the clay
without sacrificing too much of the silver power... Very few substances
are truly compatible with silver for medicinal applications.

Now, the Illite is much more powerful than montmorillonite in certain
circumstances, such as the Buruli Ulcerations.  It is a very powerful
healing clay, and presents more mysteries than it solves.  It is far less
effective in other situations, such as baths, where the ion exchange
capability of the smectites, and the way the charge layers form, provides a
far greater ( dare I say catalyst? ) reaction.

We finally got our hands on some natural French illite for testing purposes,
and we immediately began to pit it against our own natural desert
bentonite -- with great relish.  The illite is... exotic.  I don't have the
numbers in front of me, but the average particle size is minute compared to
even the finest bentonites.  It has been hypothesized that the illite
particles are small enough to penetrate the skin barrier, and that this may
be what is rendering the clay effective against the buruli ulcers.  I have
argued against this point for many reasons, mostly based on extensive
experience with deep-tissue issues and bentonite.  It has always been
hypothesized that it is the ion exchange capacity that provides the healing
power of the smectites, which I have also argued 

Re: CS Requests For Lab Test on ULVDC CS

[Jason Eaton]

Hi Mike:

Great Post!

Unfortunately, Faraday's Equation doesn't always equate properly with modern
CS production...

I believe with low current devices, Faraday's equation is close to accurate.
There are fundamentally two problems with using Faraday's equation to
calculate PPM:

1.  A controlled-potential coulometric analysis is required in order to
obtain accurate readings  The current must be absolutely controlled.
This can be done, I discovered quite a few months ago, with a
potentiostat... But then again, you and Bob are the engineers, so:
Engineer.  According to the information below, 100% efficiency is required
with the current.

http://chem.ch.huji.ac.il/~eugeniik/instruments/electrochemical/coulometric_
titrators.htm

The above link provides reference, and also the very interesting paragraph:

Constant current sources for coulometric applications.

Small constant currents ( 10 mA) may be obtained from a high-resistance
source (e.g. a battery) through a high series resistance. For many
applications, a 45-volt battery with a relatively large series resistance
will be perfectly adequate as a source of constant current. The actual
current applied to the generator electrodes is determined by measuring the
potential drop across a standard resistance with a potentiometer [10]. For
large currents electronic stabilization is more attractive. This can be
realized with a potentiostat in a circuit shown in Figure 2. Lingane has
designed [11] a constant current sources which can maintain a constant
current ranging from microamperes to hundred milliamperes within 0.01%. In
addition a number of electronic constant current sources have been described
[12-15]. Several commercial current sources were available as well.

2.  I had a similiar reference which I cannot at the moment find that
indicated higher currents with silver could not be measured accurately using
faraday's equation... Not that faraday's law is innacurate, it's just that
Faraday didn't say that the silver would stay in the distilled water.  Even
a small film on the surface of the one of the electrodes, undetectable by
the eye, can throw the equation off by a level not acceptable... Also,
readings correlated between faraday's equation and photospectronomy showed
unexplainable anomalies in the end readings which I certainly couldn't
account for without both TEM and AAS analysis.

Never-the-less, I believe the law is a great tool, especially with highly
controlled setups and low current.

As far as the relationship between voltage and current, perhaps someone more
versed could explain how increased voltage, even with the same current,
produces a different result.

http://www.silvermedicine.org/robertobecker.html

However, if you notice the diagram referencing the lines of voltage and
lines of current, you'll note that a FIELD is actually established.  Voltage
is still present between the anode and cathode.

The summary document is worth reading anyway... Dr. Becker's research has
been amazing all the way around.  Unfortunately, his research, while it
continues to this present day, is rapidly coming to an end.  I think Dr.
Bart Flick and Gregg Silver ought to get together with him and find a way to
acquire all of his notes and complete his work with organ regeneration.

You state that particles don't begin to form with most generators until
about 10 PPM.  I don't agree with this assessment.  Silver particles begin
to form very early on in the CS production processes I've observed...  I
suppose if the current is extremely low, this might be different.  If you
look at any of the EIS AAS measurements out there for products below 10 PPM,
you'll see that most have at least 1% particles, but usually higher.  I can
see the particles with a laser pen early on in most processes. Remember,
just because the ion cloud or stream is not visible to the eye, does not
mean that it does not exist.  Thermal stirring, mechanical stirring, and/or
water circulation assists in reducing early agglomeration.

In fact, if we want to get into advanced CS production, my opinion based on
speaking with every top CS producer that I have been able to find in the
world:

We'll never be able to accomplish it with batch processing.  There are too
many variables involved, and the environment cannot be completely
controlled.  Lab quality water purifiers must be hooked up in-line;  Argon
gas pumped is used to prevent contamination with air. I believe Ivan is
currently using Argon with his setup.  We need a way to get the ions and
minute particles away from the current, and I'm not certain if it is enough
to use a large brewing container with slow water circulation, or if the
desired concentration needs to be acheived rapidly with the EIS then pumped
out immediately into a sealed container.

If I could build the perfect generator the rods would not be rods nor
plates.  Both are problematic ( and yes I like Ken's new silverpuppy
solution as well ).  Both the anode and cathode would be 

Re: CS Requests For Lab Test on ULVDC CS

[Jason Eaton]

Mike:

This link would work, as the cookie associated with the session expires:

http://www.silvermedicine.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12

t represents the topic id, and sid is the session ID.

Best Regards,

Jason

- Original Message -
From: Mike Monett mzmvdd...@sneakemail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 2:29 AM
Subject: Re: CS Requests For Lab Test on ULVDC CS


 Jason,

 That's odd - the link I posted to your Mesosilver comment worked fine last
night, but it doesn't seem
 to work this morning.


http://www.silvermedicine.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12sid=5ee9f6e687277e5da
0f16fb1d7e9165e

 Here is a new link, also verified working at 05:25 EST


http://www.silvermedicine.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12sid=13ebe16cd9df2fb87
bad7ddf055ee26f

 I really don't understand php programming, so I don't know if this one
will continue working either.

 But the forum is in google, so it's easy to find.

 Best Regards,

 Mike Monett


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Re: CSQuestion about a commercial preparation of CS

[Jason Eaton]

Innovative Labs CS ( according to their website ) has CS that is in the
particle range of 0.004 and 0.107 microns.


I would not be suprised at all to find this concentration.  However, this is
obviously a stabilized compound.  They avoid the topic very well on their
corporate website.

Best Regards,

Jason

- Original Message -
From: Pow-Map pow-...@ameritech.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 8:17 AM
Subject: Re: CSQuestion about a commercial preparation of CS


 I personally use Innovative labs CS.  I've had good results and it is my
 best selling CS in my store.  In fact, I have a customer who has
controlled
 his Lyme's disease with the 2000 PPM dose.  We have to keep this in stock
 for him and his Lyme's specialist Dr. can't even believe what its done for
 him.
 People on this site claim there is no way to make that strength (and I
know
 they know what they're talking about here) but an extremely generous
 individual is testing this product for me-so I will post the results when
 they come in.
 This product should not be diluted.  Of course you can mix it with
distilled
 water but just about a 1/4 of a cup.  That's what I do and I've used it
for
 years.  Used to suffer form bronchitis twice a year-but no more :)
 I'll post when I get the results,
 Good luck, Maryanne


  Denise Every  7/16/03   1:24 AM
 
   A few days ago one of my dogs started up with an itchy ear
   and I was out of the CS I usually use, so made a quick trip
   to a local HFS to pick up some for immediate treatment.
   When I got home, I discovered it was a deep brownish gold
   color and was supposed to be 500 ppm... I diluted it down
   with distilled water to 10 ppm, and have been using it for
   the past several days, without any apparent improvement in
   his ear.
  *
 
  HI Denise,
 
  I have been waiting for responses from posters
  who should be better able to answer your question
  about  INPs 500 PPM silver.
  I went to their web site and discovered a few things
  about  the company,  first they only sell to retailers,
  there are no prices available.  Not only do they
  offer a variety of CS, but they also offer a 2,000
  PPM variety -- that is very questionable.
 
  My suggestion would be to use what you have left
  on the dog's ears undiluted, and if that doesn't help,
  get your regular brand which, as you said, has
  worked in the past.
  Then return what is left of INP's silver to that HFS
  for a refund and explain why you are returning it.
  An honest seller should appreciate knowing of
  your dissatisfaction with the product, their reputation
  is riding on selling reliable product.


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Re: CS Requests For Lab Test on ULVDC CS

[Jason Eaton]

Greetings, Mike:

I have admired the spirit to which you've applied your expertise, and I
wouldn't want to sit down and argue your mathematics!  I'm certain your
generator produces a fine colloidal silver and under well controlled
conditions.

First of all, I am not interested in producing ULVDC commercially. I
think it should be a gift. Many people have freely contributed their time
and money to spreading information about colloidal  silver with no profit
motive  whatsoever.

Many of us do.  Mike, for instance, provides a fantastic temperment and a
spirit of brotherhood that helps make everyone feel welcome.  You won't see
Mike posting about how X person's process is terrible, nor claiming that
he's at last, for the millionth time, produced the perfect isolated silver
product, although he knows at least as much about produced CS as the rest.

'Ole Bob, as an example, will occasionally hop in with a sincere challenge
to those applying themselves outside of the box.  As far as I'm concerned,
he's earned that right, and he has the data and tests to prove his methods.
'Ole Bob keeps many a huckster honest.

I certainly don't make a dime, and my expenditures in the silver arena ( and
not engineering ) have been quite extensive.

That said, and in the interest of authenticity, I would like to say that you
should be careful making claims on processes, and judging other people's
products, without any real knowledge.  It's fun to think we're on the
cutting edge, that we're making progress, that we are contributing to a
greater cause.  But when ego throws in the competition and division occur,
people can  actually get hurt...  and not from exploding batteries, either.
I see a great difference between competition between associates and blatant
assaults, and it is only human nature for individuals to expect that one who
steps up to the plate, to actually go to bat.

As an example, I know all about both Ken's silverpuppies and Trem's
Silvergens, because I OWN BOTH.  I could tell you the differences in the end
products, what I like about each, and even why I wouldn't give either up.  I
will tell you you are wrong if you think that Ken's unit produces a superior
end product, although I wouldn't go so far to say that I believe Silvergens
are neccessarily BETTER IN VIVO, because this is nearly impossible to
establish without a large comparison population sample.  I can tell you that
Trem's product has been studied very closely, and has passed scrutiny that
very few  generators have.  And this is real science, no salt test.
Concerning the two generators, the end products are different, and they both
make CS that I wouldn't hesitate to use in the worse possible situations.

I can tell you that I get quite a few emails from professional producers, or
their affiliates who complain about our recommended products page online.  I
tell them all the same thing, and watch them all dissapear without a trace.
I listen to their spiels about how their products are superior because of
promotional reasons X, Y, and Z...  Alot of them sport small particle size
due to utilizing a stabilized silver ( which is never as good as EIS ), some
have great generators with poor quality water distillers built in ( which
will turn any good generator into a big nine-volt battery-like setup ), some
don't seem to see the difference between a successful 7 minute time-kill
study and a successful 30 minute time kill study ( until it is pointed out
to them ).  I tell them it is very simple to have full lab work done, and
prove their claims.  I tell them our website guidelines.  They agree to have
the work done with great enthusiasm.  Never has a company responded back
afterward.  One requirement is that if a company is in violation of FDA or
FTC law, that they give an explanation on their site as to why...  in one
form or another.  Another is not to spend time badmouthing the CS industry
on their site.  If anything, it is in unity that we have any strength.

I've always been hard-nosed about commercial producers and CS.   I give
Frank the hardest time of all, because he is actually the most qualified and
best equipped.  I have a great interest in particulate silver, and little
hard data to go on.  Frank was a  NASA engineer who worked on the Apollo
project -- a true bonified American who reminds me alot of Tom Clancy
temperment-wise.

The gift you could offer the CS community -- based on past correspondances
which I've viewed with interest -- is not yet another generator design,
but real knowledge about what your generator design actually produces, and
how effective it really is.  I can't afford -- at this time -- to have AAS
work done for you, but I can put aside the money in the near future to have
some analytical work done, if you truly believe your generator cuts the
mustard.  Then, from that day forward, you'll know where your product
stands, and can speak with confidence.  I know exactly where the nine-volt
battery method stands in comparison to