Re: [tw5] TiddlyWiki Project Name

[Jeremy Ruston]

Every time this topic comes up we end up going round in circles with people 
proposing new names. Let’s try to avoid that, it just gets in the way of the 
much more complex discussion that we actually need about why and how we want to 
do this.

Best wishes

Jeremy.

> On 28 Dec 2020, at 10:59, Mat  wrote:
> 
> Well, then. My absolutely best proposal is:
> 
> QuineCards
> 
> It partly says what TW is but still invites for further questions and 
> curiosity.
> AFAICT it is unregistered.
> And the round and friendly initials should make it easy to create a logo.
> I think it is spot on.  
>  
> <:-)
> 
> On Monday, December 28, 2020 at 10:54:17 AM UTC+1 Jeremy Ruston wrote:
> Since we last discussed this topic, I've been increasingly thinking that we 
> should indeed make plans to change the name.
> 
> The best alternatives I've got are "xememex" for the product, and "card" for 
> the unit of information. I've had the domain xememex.com 
> <http://xememex.com/> for a few years and the @xememex user account.
> 
> "Xememex" is of course a palindromisation of Vannevar Bush's "memex":
> 
> https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1945/07/as-we-may-think/303881/ 
> <https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1945/07/as-we-may-think/303881/>
> 
> There are many details to consider, but I'd be interested to know people's 
> thoughts.
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Jeremy
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>> On 28 Dec 2020, at 09:38, TiddlyTweeter > > wrote:
>> 
>> 
> 
>> Ciao positiv...@gmail.com 
>> 
>> 
>> Small footnote to my last ...
>> 
>> Several times I have suggested that TiddlyWiki is the ULTIMATE BRICOLAGE 
>> ENGINE for computers.
>> 
>> Immediately, with "Bricolage", though, you get the same issue as the 
>> "Tiddly" language specificity. 
>> 
>> "Bricolage" is a French activity (akin to English D.I.Y.) so not sure its 
>> obvious relevance and accuracy would be any better in the end. Though when 
>> you look at its meaning it is very close to what we do with TW in practice: 
>> https://www.dictionary.com/browse/bricolage 
>> <https://www.dictionary.com/browse/bricolage>.
>> 
>> Random thoughts
>> TT
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Re: [tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki Project Name

[Jeremy Ruston]

Perhaps worth clarifying that "change the name" at its simplest might mean 
renaming the current TiddlyWiki 5 project to Xememex as of a particular version 
number. We'd try to maintain backwards compatibility as we normally do, but 
just lose the terms "TiddlyWiki" and "tiddler".

There are other approaches. We could fork the good parts of TiddlyWiki 5.x into 
a new project called Xememex that is less constrained by backwards 
compatibility (eg. targeting more modern JavaScript engines). Both the 
TiddlyWiki 5 and Xememex projects would proceed independently, allowing end 
users to defer or avoid switching over.

Thinking about the details that would need resolving, it's clear that the hard 
part is actually losing the word "tiddler", because we use it so ubiquitously 
for widget, attribute and variable names.

Best wishes

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> On 28 Dec 2020, at 09:54, Jeremy Ruston  wrote:
> 
> Since we last discussed this topic, I've been increasingly thinking that we 
> should indeed make plans to change the name.
> 
> The best alternatives I've got are "xememex" for the product, and "card" for 
> the unit of information. I've had the domain xememex.com for a few years and 
> the @xememex user account.
> 
> "Xememex" is of course a palindromisation of Vannevar Bush's "memex":
> 
> https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1945/07/as-we-may-think/303881/
> 
> There are many details to consider, but I'd be interested to know people's 
> thoughts.
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Jeremy
> 
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>>> On 28 Dec 2020, at 09:38, TiddlyTweeter  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> Ciao positiv...@gmail.com
>> 
>> Small footnote to my last ...
>> 
>> Several times I have suggested that TiddlyWiki is the ULTIMATE BRICOLAGE 
>> ENGINE for computers.
>> 
>> Immediately, with "Bricolage", though, you get the same issue as the 
>> "Tiddly" language specificity. 
>> 
>> "Bricolage" is a French activity (akin to English D.I.Y.) so not sure its 
>> obvious relevance and accuracy would be any better in the end. Though when 
>> you look at its meaning it is very close to what we do with TW in practice: 
>> https://www.dictionary.com/browse/bricolage.
>> 
>> Random thoughts
>> TT
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Re: [tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki Project Name

[Jeremy Ruston]

Since we last discussed this topic, I've been increasingly thinking that we 
should indeed make plans to change the name.

The best alternatives I've got are "xememex" for the product, and "card" for 
the unit of information. I've had the domain xememex.com for a few years and 
the @xememex user account.

"Xememex" is of course a palindromisation of Vannevar Bush's "memex":

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1945/07/as-we-may-think/303881/

There are many details to consider, but I'd be interested to know people's 
thoughts.

Best wishes

Jeremy

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> On 28 Dec 2020, at 09:38, TiddlyTweeter  wrote:
> 
> 
> Ciao positiv...@gmail.com
> 
> Small footnote to my last ...
> 
> Several times I have suggested that TiddlyWiki is the ULTIMATE BRICOLAGE 
> ENGINE for computers.
> 
> Immediately, with "Bricolage", though, you get the same issue as the "Tiddly" 
> language specificity. 
> 
> "Bricolage" is a French activity (akin to English D.I.Y.) so not sure its 
> obvious relevance and accuracy would be any better in the end. Though when 
> you look at its meaning it is very close to what we do with TW in practice: 
> https://www.dictionary.com/browse/bricolage.
> 
> Random thoughts
> TT
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[tw5] Announcing the release of TiddlyWiki v5.1.23

[Jeremy Ruston]

I’m delighted to announce that the new v5.1.23 release of TiddlyWiki is now 
available:

https://tiddlywiki.com/
https://www.npmjs.com/package/tiddlywiki/v/5.1.23

I’ve attached a thumbnail of the release note 
(https://tiddlywiki.com/#Release%205.1.23) to give a sense of the scale. 
Usually here I would summarise the key new features, but on this occasion 
there’s really too many to choose from. So instead I’d like to invite everyone 
to reply here nominating their favourite feature. And of course please do ask 
for clarifications if any of the changes aren’t clear.

For all of us it’s been a strange year, with much heartbreaking suffering 
around us. Back in April, I was delighted to get v5.1.22 out as part of a 
clearing of the decks, just in case anything happened to me. As it’s turned 
out, despite COVID’s best efforts, but entirely thanks to a very high level of 
collaboration across the core development team, v5.1.23 has been one of the 
most impressive releases for a long time. I can’t wait to see what we’ll 
achieve in 2021.

I’d like to thank everyone involved with the development, and of course a huge 
thank you to everyone here who’s time and attention makes this project what it 
is today. To corrupt an old adage, TiddlyWiki will die when the last person 
speaks its name. Right now there’s a chorus of voices lifting the project, and 
let’s hope that will long continue,

Best wishes

Jeremy





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Re: [tw5] Wikify Difference

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Thomas

The wikify widget doesn't support dynamic content because it produces a static 
snapshot of the rendering. In fact, internal links always include the `#` but 
you wouldn't normally see it because a JavaScript event handler intercepts 
clicking on the link.

What are you trying to achieve?

Best wishes

Jeremy

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> On 24 Dec 2020, at 10:52, Thomas Stone  wrote:
> 
> 
> I was wondering why the WikifyWidget's HTML output of an internal link 
> includes a # link.
> 
> ```
> \define test_link()[[a_test]]
> 
> <$wikify name=str_text_out text=<> output="html">
> 1)  <> 
>   
> 
> 2) <>  
> ```
> 
> Both outputs look same, but clicking on link #1 opens the [[a_test]] 
> navigates the browser to the #a_test bookmark and tiddler at the top of the 
> story river. You can close the [[a_test]] tiddler, and link #2 can re-open 
> it, but link #1 doesn't work because the the browser address already shows 
> the #a_test bookmark.
> 
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Re: [tw5] I want to create field with Russian letters

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Siniy-Kit

As you’ve discovered, field names currently only work reliably and consistently 
if are composed of the a-z, 0-9, dash and underscore. It is not trivial to fix 
because of the way that the code expects to be able to roundtrip fieldnames 
into attribute names. I think it would require an update to the TiddlyWiki HTML 
file format.

Best wishes

Jeremy

> On 23 Dec 2020, at 08:01, Siniy-Kit  wrote:
> 
> little demo for my question 
> here  
> https://heeg.ru/shop2_2.html?id=16gDZVsB8FOIxrsFKbkbBNWC37lPUAfKOGf-rCVxeOmY#567567811
>   
> 
> if you edit tiddler you can see  this
> 
> it will be nice to use this field in filters whithout  +[decodeuri[]]  
> 
> среда, 23 декабря 2020 г. в 10:09:44 UTC+3, Siniy-Kit: 
> Many years ago I try to make new field "цвет" with value "красный" but it was 
> impossible, because  all tiddlers  are saved in this format
> 
> 
>  modified="20140908185153663" tags="Messages" title="WidgetMessage: 
> tm-remove-field" type="text/vnd.tiddlywiki">
> 
> The `tm-remove-field` message is handled by the FieldManglerWidget. It 
> removes the specified field..
> 
> 
> 
>  So our fields are  html attributes, so they can't   contain Russian letters 
> :(
> 
> BUT we can use js encodeURIComponent("цвет") and put it as attribute to make 
> it work.
> Why this mechanism is still not working in Tiddlywiki?
> 
> 
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Re: [tw5] Help Wanted - TW5 gone too wide

[Jeremy Ruston]

It may not be the problem here, but the easiest way to recreate the screenshot 
is to add the property "white-space: nowrap;” to the class 
"tc-sidebar-tabs-main”.

Best wishes

Jeremy

> On 22 Dec 2020, at 02:06, coda coder  wrote:
> 
> Try walking through the settings in ControlPanel/Appearance/Theme 
> Tweaks/Sizes, one by one. There some internal settings that appear to be 
> recalculated when this values change (though I'm not certain what they are 
> specifically).
> 
> On Monday, December 21, 2020 at 6:49:16 PM UTC-6 TW Tones wrote:
> coda coda,
> 
> I think the tab strip just fills the available space, and wraps when full, 
> somehow there is too much available space.
> 
> Thanks and Regards
> Tones
> 
> On Tuesday, 22 December 2020 at 09:44:20 UTC+11 coda coder wrote:
> Weird. Did you somehow mangle the class applied to the tabstrip? Or its 
> container?
> 
> On Monday, December 21, 2020 at 4:35:19 PM UTC-6 TW Tones wrote:
> Folks,
> 
> All of a sudden in a specific tiddlywiki, it has ended up being three times 
> its normal width in my browser. The side bar tabs now all appear on one line 
> rather than wrap.
> 
> I just can not find what is causing it.
> $:/themes/tiddlywiki/vanilla/metrics/sidebarwidth  and other shadow tiddlers 
> have being restored to the core values but I still can not find out why?
> 
> By zooming out this snapshot shows the problem.
> 
> See the bottom scroll bar?
> 
> Any ideas please?
> 
> Tones
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Re: [tw5] TiddlyWiki keeps offloading on iPhone and iPad: any solution?

[Jeremy Ruston]

I use Quine 2 regularly with a 34MB wiki hosted in Dropbox on an iPad Pro 2018, 
and haven’t yet had problems switching backwards and forwards between apps.

Best wishes

Jeremy

> On 22 Dec 2020, at 06:11, IvanPsy  wrote:
> 
> Thank you all for your kind replies.
> 
> I'll refer to the Quine group, though I think it's just how iCloud works.
> 
> As for the "insane" weight of my TiddlyWiki, TW Tones you're right: I used to 
> embed pictures and PDFs at the beginning.
> Now I changed strategy, and planning to remove those Tiddlers.
> 
> Il giorno domenica 20 dicembre 2020 alle 20:01:49 UTC+1 jeremy...@gmail.com 
> ha scritto:
> Hi Ivan
> 
> This sounds like a Quine issue. iPad apps are apt to be unloaded in the 
> background when memory is low, but I think it could also be related to the 
> particular file provider you're using.  I'd suggest posting in the Quine 
> Google Group:
> 
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/quine-app 
> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/quine-app>
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Jeremy
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>> On 18 Dec 2020, at 06:54, IvanPsy > > wrote:
>> 
>> Greetings,
> 
>> 
>> I store TiddlyWiki on iCloud.
>> Though the syncing works like a charm on iPad and iPhone (I use Quine 2), 
>> the file keeps offloading from my device.
>> I mean: each time I go back to my TiddlyWiki, I have to wait for the file to 
>> be downloaded again Bedford being able to open it.
>> So I can’t rely on TiddlyWiki for fast reference.
>> 
>> A scenario:
>> I need a fast information stored on my TiddlyWiki, I open up the 
>> iPhone...but I have to wait for the file to download.
>> 
>> It’s 24Mb right now, so it’s pretty fast (some seconds), but what happens 
>> when the file gets bigger?
>> I need for the file to stay at my disposal on my devices.
>> 
>> It keeps me from investing on TiddlyWiki.
>> 
>> Any solution or workaround?
>> 
>> Thank you!
>> 
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Re: [tw5] Disable parse rule within a template

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Soren

If you’re working on Node.js then the easiest way to approach this might be to 
set up two wiki folders with the same content (see how editions/tw5.com-server 
inherits the content from editions/tw5.com in the core repo), with one of them 
lacking the KaTeX plugin. You’d then use that wiki for your static renderings.

Best wishes

Jeremy

> On 20 Dec 2020, at 19:52, Soren Bjornstad  wrote:
> 
> Using the official KaTeX plugin, I am hoping for a way to disable KaTeX 
> rendering in a tiddler when rendering that tiddler using a specific template.
> 
> Use case: I'm programmatically extracting HTML content from TiddlyWiki by 
> using Node to render it through a template, but I want to preserve the math 
> notation specifically as is because the target system already natively 
> supports LaTeX within $$ delimiters. (If I don't do anything special to the 
> math fragments, I get a corrupted version of the markup shown twice in my 
> output!)
> 
> I see that KaTeX is implemented as an inline parse rule, `latex-parser`, but 
> I don't want to turn that off globally, because I still want the markup to 
> render normally when viewing the wiki, just not when extracting content from 
> it. The `\rules except` pragma doesn't appear to disable the rule in tiddlers 
> transcluded into a tiddler, only within that exact tiddler. Is there some 
> other way to adjust the parse rules?
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Re: [tw5] TiddlyWiki keeps offloading on iPhone and iPad: any solution?

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Ivan

This sounds like a Quine issue. iPad apps are apt to be unloaded in the 
background when memory is low, but I think it could also be related to the 
particular file provider you're using.  I'd suggest posting in the Quine Google 
Group:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/quine-app

Best wishes

Jeremy


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> On 18 Dec 2020, at 06:54, IvanPsy  wrote:
> 
> Greetings,
> 
> I store TiddlyWiki on iCloud.
> Though the syncing works like a charm on iPad and iPhone (I use Quine 2), the 
> file keeps offloading from my device.
> I mean: each time I go back to my TiddlyWiki, I have to wait for the file to 
> be downloaded again Bedford being able to open it.
> So I can’t rely on TiddlyWiki for fast reference.
> 
> A scenario:
> I need a fast information stored on my TiddlyWiki, I open up the iPhone...but 
> I have to wait for the file to download.
> 
> It’s 24Mb right now, so it’s pretty fast (some seconds), but what happens 
> when the file gets bigger?
> I need for the file to stay at my disposal on my devices.
> 
> It keeps me from investing on TiddlyWiki.
> 
> Any solution or workaround?
> 
> Thank you!
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Re: [tw5] Wikitext monospace block oddity

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Douglas could you kindly share the entire text? Or an expurgated version if 
necessary. As you say, it looks like the block mode formatting has gone awry 
but I need to see the whole thing to see what's going on.

Many thanks,

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> On 19 Dec 2020, at 16:53, Douglas Glenn  wrote:
> 
> The monospace functionality has worked as expected in previous tiddlers. 
> This particular tiddler is an exception. I have cut the text and copied it to 
> Atom, looked for any hidden characters. Didn't find any so I copied the text 
> and used the insert as plain text option (in KDE) and the the issue still 
> exists with the monotext block.
> 
> 
> 
> Any ideas what may be causing the issue? 
> 
> Suggestions?
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Re: [tw5] Please vote for your favour banner for v5.1.23

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Sylvain

> Even if you convert to path rather than manage it as a text object?
> And if needed, use after https://jakearchibald.github.io/svgomg/ 
>  ?

Converting text to a path is definitely necessary if one wants to have control 
over how an image will be displayed in other browsers. In this case though, 
it’s fine for these images to be PNGs and so I didn’t worry about it.

SVGOMG has been subsumed into the very marvellous Squoosh, a general purpose 
image compression tool for raster and vector images:

https://squoosh.app/

Best wishes

Jeremy


> 
> Sylvain
> 
> Le mercredi 16 décembre 2020 à 14:17:48 UTC+1, Atronoush a écrit :
> Thank you Jeremy,
> 
>  Yes you are right. I did not note to this. I tried to embed the font, but as 
> you said the size of SVG is much bigger than png.
>  I hope next time I could propose a better design!
> 
> Cheers
> Atronoush
>  
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, December 15, 2020 at 11:16:30 PM UTC+3:30 jeremy...@gmail.com 
>  wrote:
> Hi Atronoush
> 
> Congratulations again!
> 
>> I send the high quality svg file plus png files again. The svg is only 9kb 
>> while png is 25kb. I testes the svg file on the 
>> https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/  and 
>> it is work fine.
>> If it is possible and using svg format is allowed, I may recommend to use 
>> the svg format instead of png.
> 
> The SVG looks like this on my system because I don’t have the “IRAN Rounded” 
> font. To get around it one can convert the text to curves but that comes at 
> the expense of a much larger file size.
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Jeremy
> 
> 
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Re: [tw5] Understanding how macro expansion works

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Sylvain

Just set the type field to indicate that it is an SVG image:

<$button class="" tooltip="Color Favicon" aria-label='Color Favicon'>Add color 
to $:/favicon.ico
<$action-setfield $tiddler="$:/favicon.ico" text=<> 
type="image/svg+xml"/>


Best wishes

Jeremy

> On 16 Dec 2020, at 17:18, Sylvain Naudin  wrote:
> 
> \define favi(color)
> http://www.w3.org/2000/svg " 
> width="144.798" height="87.014" viewBox="0 0 38.311 23.022">
>   
> 
> \end
> 
> <$button class="" tooltip="Color Favicon" aria-label='Color Favicon'>Add 
> color to $:/favicon.ico
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Re: [tw5] Compress JSON with JSONCRUSH

[Jeremy Ruston]

> So could it be employed to get those tiddly sites in a link working 
> consistently that we were playing with? If memory serves it stalled because 
> of special chars in the url. Or did it get finesses and done and I just 
> missed it! :)

The “share” plugin does indeed embed JSON into an URL, and so could indeed 
benefit. The challenge we found was that many platforms wouldn’t correctly 
recognise the entire link, which could possibly be something that a better 
encoding might fix.

Best iwshes

Jeremy

> On Tuesday, 15 December 2020 at 11:07:36 UTC jeremy...@gmail.com wrote:
> Just to add that the library is designed to encode/compress JSON so that it 
> can be more efficiently stored in URLs. It avoids characters that have to be 
> escaped when URI encoded. So it is not exactly a general purpose JSON 
> compression library; for that straightforward ZIP compression would seem to 
> make more sense.
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Jeremy
> 
> 
>> On 14 Dec 2020, at 21:52, TW Tones > > wrote:
>> 
> 
>> Jan,
>> 
>> I have recently being importing CSV files containing data, and generating 
>> large plugins/JSON files with JSON Mangler. In this case a product inventory 
>> from an online store.
>> 
>> Whilst I can see value for compression/expansion of a JSON file on import 
>> and export, when it is in the Wiki the main value is in being able to access 
>> the (shadow) tiddlers within. Although if a wiki was to be a repository of 
>> json data it would benefit from compression. 
>> 
>> There is now the zip plugin in the pre-release of course.
>> 
>> Interesting.
>> Tones
>> 
>> On Tuesday, 15 December 2020 at 02:49:47 UTC+11 Jan wrote:
>> Hi Tiddlywikians. 
>> I just encountered the a library which can verry efficiently reduce the 
>> size of JSON files. 
>> 
>> https://github.com/KilledByAPixel/JSONCrush 
>>  
>> 
>> So far I do not have a TW-usecase for this. But I want to share it with 
>> you because maybe someone else can build something with that. 
>> 
>> Best wishes Jan 
>> 
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Re: [tw5] Please vote for your favour banner for v5.1.23

[Jeremy Ruston]

Thank you to everyone who voted, the competition is now closed. We had four 
very strong entries, but with 190 votes recorded there was a clear winner in 
Atronoush’s design. Many thanks to everyone who helped make this a lot of fun, 
especially to all the entrants.

Best wishes

Jeremy






> On 13 Dec 2020, at 13:01, Jeremy Ruston  wrote:
> 
> Hi Bimlas
> 
>> Is it possible that it's possible to vote twice?
> 
> Yes it is. The only way to guard against it with Google Forms is to require a 
> Google Account in order to vote. (Of course, making an anonymous online 
> voting system that doesn’t permit double voting would be impossible).
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Jeremy.
> 
>> Mat schrieb am Mittwoch, 9. Dezember 2020 um 22:15:56 UTC+1:
>> WOW! - you guys are really raising the bar for the banner competitions. What 
>> great contributions, ALL of them!!!
>> <:-)
>> 
>> On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 12:33:54 PM UTC+1 Werner wrote:
>> Great stuff, everyone. Voted!
>> 
>> BurningTreeC schrieb am Dienstag, 8. Dezember 2020 um 09:38:24 UTC+1:
>> Nice banners everyone :) ! Voted!
>> 
>> BTC
>> 
>> TW Tones schrieb am Dienstag, 8. Dezember 2020 um 03:30:49 UTC+1:
>> They are all good! 
>> 
>> On Tuesday, 8 December 2020 at 02:52:00 UTC+11 jeremy...@gmail.com <> wrote:
>> The voting to choose the banner for TiddlyWiki v5.1.23 is now open. Please 
>> pick your favourite here:
>> 
>> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdODdlyb7RNvzk0pf1-aNAqgbS2LUURhte3EsVnhHPvoZRtrQ/viewform
>>  
>> <https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdODdlyb7RNvzk0pf1-aNAqgbS2LUURhte3EsVnhHPvoZRtrQ/viewform>
>> 
>> Thanks to everyone who entered the competition (see 
>> https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/cTgPWl8b_9c/m/VtrMFHBGAwAJ 
>> <https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/cTgPWl8b_9c/m/VtrMFHBGAwAJ>). 
>> There’s a lot of creativity in the group, and I’mv grateful to have four 
>> excellent designs to choose from.
>> 
>> Best wishes
>> 
>> Jeremy.
>> 
>> 
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Re: [tw5] [Macro] datauri macro and svg images

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Sylvain

> Would it still be possible to make this evolve in the future (and consider 
> the favicon as a core image therefore and not an SVG XML image)?

This isn’t a TiddlyWiki thing, this is how SVG is handled by browsers. The 
browser requires a full SVG image for the favicon. Remember that inline SVGs 
are actually HTML, and are not supported by favicons.


Best wishes

Jeremy


> (and play with fill="#fa4d60").
> 
> Sylvain
> 
> Le mardi 15 décembre 2020 à 11:55:31 UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston a écrit :
> Hi Mohammad, Joshua
> 
> This is the old chestnut of the confusing fact that there are two distinct 
> types of SVG images, and they behave differently, and are defined 
> differently. The core images are actually SVG elements designed to be 
> transcluded directly into HTML documents; that’s what enables us to recolour 
> these images with CSS. Full SVG images are XML documents with an embedded SVG 
> element containing the image. They are displayed with the img tag, or as 
> here, via CSS properties. It is not possible to use an SVG fragment as an 
> image is the crucial thing.
> 
> We try to explain it in the docs here:
> 
> https://tiddlywiki.com/#Using%20SVG <https://tiddlywiki.com/#Using%20SVG>
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Jeremy
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 15 Dec 2020, at 01:41, Joshua Fontany > > wrote:
>> 
> 
>> Interesting... I wonder if this is true for all SVGs or just the core. The 
>> core image tiddlers are not actually "type:image/svg+xml", they do not have 
>> a type value, and are interpreted as wiki-text when transcluded.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Joshua F
>> 
>> 
>> On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 1:33:52 AM UTC-8 Mohammad wrote:
>> I tried to use an svg as background. I realized I cannot use core svg 
>> images. One reason may be the tiddler type or perhaps the removed xlmns.
>> 
>> See below example at 
>> 
>>  .jack { background: url(<$macrocall $name="datauri" title="Motovun 
>> Jack.jpg" $output="text/plain"/>); height: 300px; }  > class="jack"/> 
>> 
>> Now if I replcae  Motovun Jack.jpg with $:/core/images/close-button as below
>> 
>>  .jack { background: url(<$macrocall $name="datauri" title="Motovun 
>> Jack.jpg" $output="text/plain"/>); height: 300px; }  > class="jack"/>  
>> 
>> It does not work! 
>> 
>> What is the reason?
>> 
>> --Mohammad
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Re: [tw5] Compress JSON with JSONCRUSH

[Jeremy Ruston]

Just to add that the library is designed to encode/compress JSON so that it can 
be more efficiently stored in URLs. It avoids characters that have to be 
escaped when URI encoded. So it is not exactly a general purpose JSON 
compression library; for that straightforward ZIP compression would seem to 
make more sense.

Best wishes

Jeremy

> On 14 Dec 2020, at 21:52, TW Tones  wrote:
> 
> Jan,
> 
> I have recently being importing CSV files containing data, and generating 
> large plugins/JSON files with JSON Mangler. In this case a product inventory 
> from an online store.
> 
> Whilst I can see value for compression/expansion of a JSON file on import and 
> export, when it is in the Wiki the main value is in being able to access the 
> (shadow) tiddlers within. Although if a wiki was to be a repository of json 
> data it would benefit from compression. 
> 
> There is now the zip plugin in the pre-release of course.
> 
> Interesting.
> Tones
> 
> On Tuesday, 15 December 2020 at 02:49:47 UTC+11 Jan wrote:
> Hi Tiddlywikians. 
> I just encountered the a library which can verry efficiently reduce the 
> size of JSON files. 
> 
> https://github.com/KilledByAPixel/JSONCrush 
>  
> 
> So far I do not have a TW-usecase for this. But I want to share it with 
> you because maybe someone else can build something with that. 
> 
> Best wishes Jan 
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Re: [tw5] Is it possible to set a ViewTemplate to appear only in mobile mode?

[Jeremy Ruston]

There is indeed no simple flag in TiddlyWiki for mobile vs. desktop because 
we’ve long passed the point where the underlying distinction is simple. 
Instead, as Tones points out, designers use CSS to craft interfaces that 
gracefully respond to different screen sizes and JavaScript to make behaviours 
that work differently across platforms eg for touch vs. mouse. Even there, 
there’s a lot of confusion: many devices support both touch and mouse, and all 
of them make some attempt to emulate between the two.

In your case, it sounds like the simplest thing might be to wrap your custom 
view template in a class, and then use CSS to hide that class if the screen 
size is larger than a particular cut-off that works for your devices.

Best wishes

Jeremy


> On 14 Dec 2020, at 22:00, TW Tones  wrote:
> 
> Si,
> 
> There are tiddlywiki themes etc for mobile use. Whilst the screen size can be 
> determined and I believe start-up actions can be triggered to respond to such 
> screen sizes I believe the main approach to mobile is using CSS and its 
> features to respond to screen sizes. CSS allows you to hide the display of 
> some elements and display others. Where screen parameters and start up 
> actions can perhaps implement other settings.
> 
> In 5.1.23 we now have the ability to switch layouts easily so perhaps use 
> this feature to build a mobile layout?
> 
> Basically quite a few people have being making use of screen sizes and CSS 
> for some time. 
> 
> Regards
> Tones
> 
> On Tuesday, 15 December 2020 at 07:52:30 UTC+11 si wrote:
> Ahh ok thank you Eric, that's good to know.
> 
> On Monday, 14 December 2020 at 20:44:36 UTC Eric Shulman wrote:
> On Monday, December 14, 2020 at 12:28:46 PM UTC-8 si wrote:
> various different types of browser/platform, all with the prefix 
> "$:/info/browser/is/".
> 
> These are added by the "browser-sniff" plugin, which is installed on 
> tiddlywiki.com , but is NOT installed in the 
> empty.html
> 
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Re: [tw5] [Macro] datauri macro and svg images

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Mohammad, Joshua

This is the old chestnut of the confusing fact that there are two distinct 
types of SVG images, and they behave differently, and are defined differently. 
The core images are actually SVG elements designed to be transcluded directly 
into HTML documents; that’s what enables us to recolour these images with CSS. 
Full SVG images are XML documents with an embedded SVG element containing the 
image. They are displayed with the img tag, or as here, via CSS properties. It 
is not possible to use an SVG fragment as an image is the crucial thing.

We try to explain it in the docs here:

https://tiddlywiki.com/#Using%20SVG

Best wishes

Jeremy



> On 15 Dec 2020, at 01:41, Joshua Fontany  wrote:
> 
> Interesting... I wonder if this is true for all SVGs or just the core. The 
> core image tiddlers are not actually "type:image/svg+xml", they do not have a 
> type value, and are interpreted as wiki-text when transcluded.
> 
> Best,
> Joshua F
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 1:33:52 AM UTC-8 Mohammad wrote:
> I tried to use an svg as background. I realized I cannot use core svg images. 
> One reason may be the tiddler type or perhaps the removed xlmns.
> 
> See below example at 
> 
>  .jack { background: url(<$macrocall $name="datauri" title="Motovun 
> Jack.jpg" $output="text/plain"/>); height: 300px; }   class="jack"/> 
> 
> Now if I replcae  Motovun Jack.jpg with $:/core/images/close-button as below
> 
>  .jack { background: url(<$macrocall $name="datauri" title="Motovun 
> Jack.jpg" $output="text/plain"/>); height: 300px; }   class="jack"/>  
> 
> It does not work! 
> 
> What is the reason?
> 
> --Mohammad
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Re: [tw5] Tiddlywiki Rest API for pulling tiddlers by tag or using a filter?

[Jeremy Ruston]

> I've used the node.js server version of tiddlywiki and been able to download 
> a bunch of tiddlers in JSON format, but I was wondering if it's possible to 
> use some sort filter query to return the tiddlers in JSON format via a REST 
> API or something like that?
> 
> For instance I might want to use a filter like [tag[cheese]tag[wine]] and get 
> back only the tiddlers tagged with cheese and wine? 

There's a new feature in the upcoming v5.1.23 to allow just that:

https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/#WebServer%20API%3A%20Get%20All%20Tiddlers

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Re: [tw5] Re: back to tiddlywiki after 10 years, anwiki skin, question on node.js on ios

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Maki,

That's great, thank you. I've tweeted about it here:

https://twitter.com/TiddlyWiki/status/1338230413345632257

I really love that the video is taken on your phone. May I ask if you do a lot 
of work on your phone? I'm seeing more and more people who use their phone as a 
development platform, and I'm optimistic about the implications for lowering 
the barriers to getting into software development, and for the new working 
habits that will surely emerge.

Best wishes

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> On 13 Dec 2020, at 21:08, maki aea  wrote:
> 
> thanks so much mark and jeremy for your super instructions — now up and 
> running! i've made a short video to demonstrate for the next person to ask :) 
> (please see links below). hope you'll get to see the meteors tonight! 
> 
> http://makiaea.org/00045/20201205makiaea-anwiki#node.js%20on%20ios
> or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JH9_Xc2iCag
> 
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Re: [tw5] Is it safe to make idempotent macros?

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Leung,

As Mark points out, it sounds like you can achieve what you want in wikitext, 
without requiring JavaScript.

Just to add a bit of background for subsequent searchers:

The motivation for JavaScript macros was to provide the simplest possible way 
integrate a custom JS module with TiddlyWiki. They stand in contrast to 
“widgets” which are the JS components that make up the heart of TiddlyWiki’s 
rendering process. They have a relatively complex interface because they need 
to be able to participate in TiddlyWiki’s refresh mechanism, which is the 
process by which changes to the tiddler store trigger updates to the DOM.

So, without the ability to participate in the refresh process, JavaScript 
macros are constrained to be functions that take an arbitrary number of 
arguments and return a single string. The refresh process expects that 
rendering a macro with the same parameters will always return the same text; if 
it returns different text it may not be displayed immediately, requiring the 
refresh of a parent widget to trigger the rerender. In computer science terms, 
JS macros are expected to be "pure functions”:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pure_function#:~:text=In%20computer%20programming%2C%20a%20pure,from%20I%2FO%20devices).

Having said that, there are lots of situations where macros are useful but no 
refreshing occurs, notably creating static HTML renderings, or within filters. 
So, with care, it is possible to break the “pure function” rule.

The requirement for idempotency applies throughout TiddlyWiki’s rendering and 
refreshing cycle. TiddlyWiki is a reactive system that seeks to automatically 
update the DOM as the tiddler store changes. If the rendering or refresh 
process does make changes to the tiddler store then the system risks getting 
locked into an infinite loop of changing the store, triggering a re-rendering, 
and then changing the store again, and back round the loop.

Best wishes

Jeremy.



> On 12 Dec 2020, at 20:57, Leung arvin  wrote:
> 
> I see , thanks! that is a much better method to implement the idea
> 
> Mark S. 在 2020年12月12日 星期六下午8:53:02 [UTC] 的信中寫道：
> I suspect your usage would break the spirit of the JS rules, since it's using 
> a macro to change TW content.
> 
> But you could write a non-JS (i.e.wikitext) macro that would basically do the 
> same thing. If the tiddler doesn't exist, it would show a button which, when 
> clicked on, would create the tiddler. A button can be disguised as a link, if 
> that's important to you.
> 
> 
> 
> On Saturday, December 12, 2020 at 11:29:44 AM UTC-8 Leung arvin wrote:
> I wish to implement the following functionality, using JS macro, defining the 
> macro with name M. 
> 
> Whenever I use a macro <> , then it creates a 
> Tiddler with title "New Tiddler". Then the macro presents this link [[New 
> Tiddler]]. The point is that the macro will create the Tiddler for me (with 
> some starting content , customisable in JS) if none have already been 
> created. 
> 
> Example code would be: 
> 
> function run(tiddler_name){
> - Check if wiki has tiddler with title tiddler_name
> - If not, create a tiddler of title tiddler_name and content "default 
> content" 
> - Return [[tiddler_name]]
> }
> 
> I would like to know if this is safe. The documentation states: 
> 
> "Macros are just used to return a chunk of wikitext for further processing. 
> They should not make modifications to tiddlers in the wiki store. The reason 
> is that you cannott control when the macro is called; it may be called 
> repeatedly as part of refresh processing. So it is important that macros do 
> not have any other side effects beyond generating their text."
> 
> So this would break the no side effect rule. However, the idempotent design 
> means that subsequent calls to this macro should not have any side effects. 
> 
> Will this potentially break stuff in unknown ways? I would also like to know 
> if there are other methods to achieve the same tasks in JS.
> 
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Re: [tw5] Please vote for your favour banner for v5.1.23

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Bimlas

> Is it possible that it's possible to vote twice?

Yes it is. The only way to guard against it with Google Forms is to require a 
Google Account in order to vote. (Of course, making an anonymous online voting 
system that doesn’t permit double voting would be impossible).

Best wishes

Jeremy.

> Mat schrieb am Mittwoch, 9. Dezember 2020 um 22:15:56 UTC+1:
> WOW! - you guys are really raising the bar for the banner competitions. What 
> great contributions, ALL of them!!!
> <:-)
> 
> On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 12:33:54 PM UTC+1 Werner wrote:
> Great stuff, everyone. Voted!
> 
> BurningTreeC schrieb am Dienstag, 8. Dezember 2020 um 09:38:24 UTC+1:
> Nice banners everyone :) ! Voted!
> 
> BTC
> 
> TW Tones schrieb am Dienstag, 8. Dezember 2020 um 03:30:49 UTC+1:
> They are all good! 
> 
> On Tuesday, 8 December 2020 at 02:52:00 UTC+11 jeremy...@gmail.com <> wrote:
> The voting to choose the banner for TiddlyWiki v5.1.23 is now open. Please 
> pick your favourite here:
> 
> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdODdlyb7RNvzk0pf1-aNAqgbS2LUURhte3EsVnhHPvoZRtrQ/viewform
>  
> 
> 
> Thanks to everyone who entered the competition (see 
> https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/cTgPWl8b_9c/m/VtrMFHBGAwAJ 
> ). 
> There’s a lot of creativity in the group, and I’mv grateful to have four 
> excellent designs to choose from.
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Jeremy.
> 
> 
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Re: [tw5] Re: back to tiddlywiki after 10 years, anwiki skin, question on node.js on ios

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Maki

iSH is a bit of a hack: it essentially uses an x86 emulator to run Linux as a 
way to get around the app store rules, and so performance and compatibility are 
both poor.

Both Play.js and JSBox support Node.js apps, but the difference is that JSBox 
also offers a rich API for creating native iOS user interfaces and accessing 
native platform features. In contrast, Play.js apps are pretty much restricted 
to running a web server or processing files, without deep  integration with the 
underlying platform. So, I'd generally recommend starting with Play.js unless 
you plan to explore some exotic platform integration.

I will try to write proper instructions for installing TW5 on Play.js, but the 
rough outline is:

1. Create a new project in Play.js, with the type set to "Node.js"
2. Play.js will open a file called "index.js" in the root. Paste the following 
content:

var path = require("path");

var $tw = require("./node_modules/tiddlywiki/boot/boot.js").TiddlyWiki();

bootTW();

function bootTW() {

// Pass the command line arguments to the boot kernel
$tw.boot.argv = Array.prototype.slice.call(process.argv,2);

$tw.boot.argv = [path.resolve(process.cwd(),"./wiki"),"--listen"];

// Boot the TW5 app
$tw.boot.boot(function() {
//  console.log($tw.boot)
});

}

3. Click the "files" button at the top of the sidebar on the left. Choose the 
file called "package.json" and add a reference to TiddlyWiki:

{
  "name": "My Wiki",
  "version": "1.0.0",
  "dependencies": {
"tiddlywiki": "^5.1.22"
  }
}

4. Create a file in the root called "index.js" containing:
5. Click the "scripts" button at the bottom left that reads "$ default: node 
index.js"
6. Tap "Install" in the "Scripts" dialogue that appears
7. Tap the "Resolve modules" button on the "Dependencies" dialogue that appears
8. Tap "Resolve" on the "Resolve modules" dialogue that appears
9. A bunch of text should appear, wait until you see "found 0 vulnerabilities", 
then you can click "back" and then "X" to back out of the dialogues
10. Create a folder called "wiki" in the root
11. Within that folder, create a file called "tiddlywiki.info" containing:

{
"description": "My great wiki",
"plugins": [
"tiddlywiki/filesystem",
"tiddlywiki/tiddlyweb"
],
"themes": [
"tiddlywiki/vanilla",
"tiddlywiki/snowwhite"
]
}


12. Click the "scripts" button again, but this time choose "Default"
13. Click the "play" button at the bottom left
14. Click the globe button to open the web browser
15. Change the URL to http://localhost:8080/ and reload

You should now have a functioning wiki. When you're done, close the browser and 
click the "stop" button.

Good luck, let us know how you get on,

Best wishes

Jeremy

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> On 12 Dec 2020, at 17:36, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki 
>  wrote:
> 
> I don't own any apple products, but looking over google, I see that Apple 
> started requiring all apps to use https back in 2016. I wonder if using http 
> could be the problem?
> 
> 
>> On Saturday, December 12, 2020 at 8:31:46 AM UTC-8 ma...@makiaea.org wrote:
>> happy to be back using tiddlywiki! i cobbled together an ios-oriented skin 
>> to anwiki and am using it as an anki replacement, please let me know what 
>> you think http://makiaea.org/00045/20201205makiaea-anwiki
>> 
>> currently using quine2, but wanted to try out node.js on ios. tried using 
>> ish but got as far as tiddlywiki mynewwiki --listen but then can't see the 
>> page in any browser: (please see photo attached). i tried ios 13 and 14, two 
>> different ios devices, no dice. ish seemed really slow even just doing 
>> tiddlywiki --version so it may be a speed issue?
>> 
>> so i tried cloning tiddlywiki from github and using play.js but haven't got 
>> a clue how to get started (no terminal/command line available in play.js?)! 
>> should i try jsbox instead? any pointers would be much appreciated. 
>> 
>> warmest wishes, maki
>> 
>> 
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Re: [tw5] Discussion on GitHub: Good or bad

[Jeremy Ruston]

One thing I've discovered is that it when GitHub sends a notification email it 
is not possible to distinguish discussion posts from issues. That's pretty 
catastrophic for me because I usually triage things via filters in email. So 
from a core development team perspective I definitely wouldn't want the 
repository swamped with our general discussion traffic.

Best wishes

Jeremy

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> On 12 Dec 2020, at 09:23, TiddlyTweeter  wrote:
> 
> 
> Ciao Jeremy
> 
>> GitHub’s mission is focussed on developers, a very different audience than 
>> TiddlyWiki.
> 
> Right. Actually GitHub Discussions ARE (I been using it) pretty easy to 
> understand and contribute to.
> 
>> GitHub Discussions might make sense for the Dev group but I worry that the 
>> whole mis-en-scene of GitHub is much too complicated and confusing for 
>> mainstream users, and so I struggle to see us adopting it for the main group.
> 
> Agreed 
> 
> Also the sheer volume of posts in the main group would be, I think, far too 
> unwieldy to do through GH well. 
> 
> Best wishes
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Re: [tw5] Could we have a zip download saver mechanism?

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Mark

> I was thinking that the saver would be in the core along with the other 
> savers, but only displayed as an option if it detected the JSZip plugin. Or 
> would display with the message "Install JSZip to activate."

Yes indeed. In fact, I am interested in the idea of integrating JSZip into the 
core so that we can add support for compressed plugins. JSZip weighs about 
80KB, while compressing the core plugin reduces it from 1.9MB to 330KB. Once 
we’ve got JSZip we can add core support for things like your saver suggestion, 
or exporting static HTML with shared CSS as a ZIP file.

Best wishes

Jeremy

> 
> Thanks!
> 
> On Thursday, December 10, 2020 at 9:37:01 AM UTC-8 jeremy...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi Mark
> 
> That’s a great idea. Right now the JSZip plugin isn’t a part of the core, so 
> such a saver would have to reside in the plugin.
> 
> In the meantime, one could make a custom button for the sidebar that 
> performed the zip and save operation. The example given with the JSZip plugin 
> should get you started,
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Jeremy.
> 
> 
>> On 8 Dec 2020, at 22:09, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki > > wrote:
>> 
> 
>> Now that we have (or will have in 5.1.23) a means to zip up tiddlers, could 
>> we have a download saver that zips up the current TW?
>> 
>> Motivation: Chrome on Android doesn't allow extensions, and now mangles the 
>> original file name, adding it's own prefix text. If the saver could save a 
>> zipped copy, then the version with the real file name could be stored in the 
>> zip file. When you need to start a new session, you can just unzip the file 
>> with the right name.
>> 
>> Plus, the zip files would take less space and be easier to manage.
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
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Re: [tw5] Could we have a zip download saver mechanism?

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Mark

That’s a great idea. Right now the JSZip plugin isn’t a part of the core, so 
such a saver would have to reside in the plugin.

In the meantime, one could make a custom button for the sidebar that performed 
the zip and save operation. The example given with the JSZip plugin should get 
you started,

Best wishes

Jeremy.

> On 8 Dec 2020, at 22:09, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki 
>  wrote:
> 
> Now that we have (or will have in 5.1.23) a means to zip up tiddlers, could 
> we have a download saver that zips up the current TW?
> 
> Motivation: Chrome on Android doesn't allow extensions, and now mangles the 
> original file name, adding it's own prefix text. If the saver could save a 
> zipped copy, then the version with the real file name could be stored in the 
> zip file. When you need to start a new session, you can just unzip the file 
> with the right name.
> 
> Plus, the zip files would take less space and be easier to manage.
> 
> Thanks!
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Re: [tw5] Can BibTeX plugin expand beyond journals?

[Jeremy Ruston]

I think I made the original version of the core BibTeX importer plugin. It’s a 
very thin wrapper around this JavaScript library:

https://github.com/ORCID/bibtexParseJs 

The current code uses the library to parse the incoming BibTeX string, and 
creates a tiddler for each entry as follows:

* The title is set to the citationKey of the entry
* The field bibtex-entry-type is set to the entryType of the entry
* The remaining entry tags are converted into tiddlers of the same name 
prefixed with “bibtex-“

As far as I can tell, we’re picking up all the information that is exposed by 
the parser, but if there’s anything we’re missing do let me know,

Best wishes

Jeremy

> On 10 Dec 2020, at 08:03, Mohammad  wrote:
> 
> See idea here:
> 
> https://github.com/kookma/Refnotes/discussions/6 
> 
> 
> This is new Discussion panel in GitHub. It is great! Use it.
> 
> On Thursday, December 10, 2020 at 12:46:28 AM UTC+3:30 springer wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> I'm just orienting to the BibTeX plugin (as well as refnotes). It's clearly 
> very powerful! But it seems designed mostly for journal articles (as odin 
> noted in June 
> ).
> 
> While working on the biblio-demo quote-collection project, the BibTeX 
> citations I import tend to be books. I'm finding that the 
> viewtemplate/bibtex, as well as <> macros in refnotes, don't handle 
> key book fields (like bibtex-publisher); they instead highlight fields (like 
> bibtex-doi) that are not relevant to books.
> 
> I'm happy to play a role in troubleshooting such work, and of course I can 
> cobble together some local workarounds for my own use-cases. But I'm putting 
> the challenge out, here, in case Mohammad (who I think is mostly behind both 
> BibTeX importer and refnotes?) or others are interested in getting BibTeX 
> connections supported across wider applications.
> 
> Best regards to all!
> 
> -Springer
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Re: [tw5] Discussion on GitHub: Good or bad

[Jeremy Ruston]

One feature of GitHub discussions is that one can convert issues into 
discussions, either individually or in bulk. I can imagine that that could be 
very helpful for us.

I’ve set up https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/discussions 
 and will make a post 
about it shortly to the Dev group.

Best wishes

Jeremy.

> On 10 Dec 2020, at 08:41, Mohammad Rahmani  wrote:
> 
> Hi Jeremy,
> 
> 
> I think a reasonable proposal would be to move the Dev group to GitHub 
> discussions:
> 
> Good idea!
> 
> * The developer community is already on GitHub because it's where the core 
> development happens
> * Google Groups doesn't serve the developer community very well, lacking 
> syntax highlighted code blocks, and the ability to reference existing issues 
> and PRs
> * Switching the Dev Google Group to read-only and redirecting to GitHub 
> discussions would give us useful experience for any subsequent move of the 
> main discussion group
> 
> I don't see much point in just enabling discussions on the TW5 repository 
> without purposely establishing the community there. People can experiment 
> with discussions on other repositories.
> 
> 
> There are some useful features: You can select the best answers, you can have 
> categories, like ideas! you can have team discussion, pinned discussion, 
> filter answered and unanswered questions, simply refer to issue and PR, and 
> much more,...
> 
> See GitHub announcement statement
> 
> Software communities don’t just write code together. They brainstorm feature 
> ideas, help new users get their bearings, and collaborate on best ways to use 
> the software. Until now, GitHub only offered issues and pull requests as 
> places to have these conversations. But issues and pull requests both have a 
> linear format—well suited for merging code, but not for creating a community 
> knowledge base. Conversations need their own place—that’s what GitHub 
> Discussions is for.  
> 
> So this is a good move!
> 
> Thank you Jeremy!
> 
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Re: [tw5] Discussion on GitHub: Good or bad

[Jeremy Ruston]

I think a reasonable proposal would be to move the Dev group to GitHub 
discussions:

* The developer community is already on GitHub because it's where the core 
development happens
* Google Groups doesn't serve the developer community very well, lacking syntax 
highlighted code blocks, and the ability to reference existing issues and PRs
* Switching the Dev Google Group to read-only and redirecting to GitHub 
discussions would give us useful experience for any subsequent move of the main 
discussion group

I don't see much point in just enabling discussions on the TW5 repository 
without purposely establishing the community there. People can experiment with 
discussions on other repositories.

Best wishes

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> On 9 Dec 2020, at 11:48, PMario  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 10:57:08 AM UTC+1 Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>> GitHub’s mission is focussed on developers, a very different audience than 
>> TiddlyWiki.
> 
> I would love to have the "Discussions" area be opened at TiddlyWiki repo.
>  
>> GitHub Discussions might make sense for the Dev group but I worry that the 
>> whole mis-en-scene of GitHub is much too complicated and confusing for 
>> mainstream users, and so I struggle to see us adopting it for the main group.
> 
> We do have 855 open issues in our repo. Many of them are "ideas" and 
> "discussions". Many ideas are really great, that's why the are not closed. 
> I think it would be easy to move or link them into the discussions area, 
> where they don't mess with "real" issues, we are able to fix. 
> 
> This may also be true for some pull-requests, which are kept open for years, 
> which is a real pain point ... at least for me!
>  
>> Having said that, adoption by plugin authors such as yourself seems like a 
>> great way to investigate further. Many plugin authors are already on GitHub 
>> and so having a single stack of notifications to pay attention could be very 
>> useful.
>  
> Yea, If you want to build a community around your plugins, it may be useful!
> 
> my 2 €ents. 
> Mario
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Re: [tw5] Discussion on GitHub: Good or bad

[Jeremy Ruston]

GitHub’s mission is focussed on developers, a very different audience than 
TiddlyWiki.

GitHub Discussions might make sense for the Dev group but I worry that the 
whole mis-en-scene of GitHub is much too complicated and confusing for 
mainstream users, and so I struggle to see us adopting it for the main group.

Having said that, adoption by plugin authors such as yourself seems like a 
great way to investigate further. Many plugin authors are already on GitHub and 
so having a single stack of notifications to pay attention could be very useful.

Best wishes

Jeremy




> On 9 Dec 2020, at 02:47, TW Tones  wrote:
> 
> Reviewing - reply posted
> 
> Tones
> 
> On Wednesday, 9 December 2020 at 08:10:37 UTC+11 Mohammad wrote:
> GitHub has started a discussion service, so there is no need to open issue or 
> PR.
> Having this forum, I am not sure if this is good or bad for Tiddlywiki to 
> open its discussion service on GitHub.
> 
> I have experimentally set up Shiraz discussion service. See
> 
> https://github.com/kookma/TW-Shiraz/discussions 
> 
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Re: [tw5] red square of death

[Jeremy Ruston]

If you encounter a non-functioning, corrupt standalone TiddlyWiki HTML file, a 
good first line of attack is to try to import the file into a blank TiddlyWiki. 
If the tiddler listing shows up then you can try first try importing all the 
tiddlers and saving, and then testing. If it doesn’t work, you can 
progressively remove tiddlers from the import to narrow down the specific 
tiddlers causing the problem.

Best iwshes

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> On 8 Dec 2020, at 15:30, clutterstack  wrote:
> 
> Hi Sapphireslinger, I've had to open standalone wikis in a text editor to fix 
> them when I've written a bad macro or whatnot. It's a pain because it's such 
> a big file and not very readable, but it can be done. If you don't have an 
> idea what caused it, I'm not sure where you'd start looking...if it's one of 
> your tiddlers, you can use the editor's search function for the title. If 
> your tiddlers are actually in there, and it's worth the effort, you could 
> copy-paste the quotes out of the html file into new tiddlers in a restored 
> backup wiki.
> 
> Best,
> Chris
> 
> On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 at 5:10:23 AM UTC-5 Sapphireslinger wrote:
> Can not open my tiddlywiki because:
> 
> Well, this is embarrassing. It is recommended that you restart TiddlyWiki by 
> refreshing your browser
> SyntaxError: JSON.parse: expected ',' or '}' after property value in object 
> at line 4 column 25 of the JSON data
> 
> How do I fix that if I can't open my tiddlywiki? Open it with a text editor 
> instead of a browser? 
> 
> Will the problem still be line 4 column 25 even in the text editor?
> 
> I opened it with a text editor, and the only thing on line 4 was:
> 
> 
> I constantly back up so all I would lose would be a bunch of book quotes.
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Re: [tw5] [Documentation] attribute description

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Mohammad

We use those brackets because the first column is supposed to be a listing of 
attribute names but the entry here is not an actual attribute name, but a 
phrase specifying a set of names. We use the curly braces to indicate that the 
item is a description of an item, rather than the item itself.

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> On 7 Dec 2020, at 12:51, Mohammad  wrote:
> 
> Is there any reason for some attribute description like below
> {any attributes not starting with $} 
> 
> See:
> Tiddlywiki.com for Vars widget and some other cases
> 
> 
> Why it is in a {}? Isn't it confusing? Why not to just write as below:
> any attributes not starting with $ 
> 
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Re: [tw5] Service worker

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Nick

Are you perhaps generating a static rendering of the wiki, and then uploading 
that? The process I described works with an ordinary TiddlyWiki standalone HTML 
file, you don't need to export anything. If you're using the Node.js 
configuration you can save a snapshot of the wiki as an HTML file by clicking 
the "save" icon in the sidebar.

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> On 7 Dec 2020, at 14:28, Nick  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tone,
> 
> Yep, looking for the TW5 internal search. I'll give this a go
> 
> Cheers
> Nick
> 
>> On Sunday, 6 December 2020 at 23:25:47 UTC TW Tones wrote:
>> Nick,
>> 
>> Perhaps you can find the search due to mobile layout, create a tiddler and 
>> transclude the sidebar search in it and see if that works.
>> 
>> I assume you are talking about the TW5 internal search.
>> 
>> {{$:/core/ui/SideBarSegments/search}}
>> 
>> Tones
>> 
>>> On Monday, 7 December 2020 at 01:04:05 UTC+11 Nick wrote:
>>> It doesen't seem to work for me, with getting an offline screen. 
>>> 
>>> I can export all the tiddlers and upload this to a host, then save as app 
>>> on the homescreen which works offline. However no search. You can use 'Find 
>>> on page' but this doesn't give the app like feel i'm after. 
>>> 
>>> I'll keep looking, and maybe its a cache problem with my device. 
>>> 
>>> Thanks for all the suggestions
>>> 
>>>> On Sunday, 6 December 2020 at 10:56:44 UTC jeremy...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> Hi Nick
>>>> 
>>>>> To make life easier, I only require a read-only only version for this 
>>>>> case. So no changes will be needed. But for a solution for others, it 
>>>>> would I guess. This is why I thought just loading the TW to read offline 
>>>>> would be a simple affair! 
>>>> 
>>>> I misunderstood, and thought you were wanting to make changes while 
>>>> offline.
>>>> 
>>>> In my tests, adding a TW to the iOS/iPadOS home screen does subsequently 
>>>> work while offline. Here’s what I tried on iOS 14:
>>>> 
>>>> 1. Visit https://tiddlywiki.com in Safari while online
>>>> 2. Tap the export button in the bottom toolbar, and scroll down to find 
>>>> the “Add to home screen” action
>>>> 3. You’ll be taken back to the homescreen where there will be a new icon
>>>> 4. Tap the icon to launch TW as a standalone app and verify that it works
>>>> 5. Engage airplane mode
>>>> 6. Use the task switcher to quit the TW standalone app
>>>> 7. Return to the home screen and tap the TW shortcut again
>>>> 
>>>> Best wishes
>>>> 
>>>> Jeremy
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> @Ed Thanks, yes I use Quine alot for my TW on my phone, and it's 
>>>>> excellent. But I need a separate branded PWA/APP on the home screen. I 
>>>>> have the PWA part, and now need the storage/cache part.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best
>>>>> Nick
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sunday, 6 December 2020 at 04:48:44 UTC Ed Heil wrote:
>>>>>> Nick,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Have you looked at Quine2? 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> https://apps.apple.com/us/app/quine-2/id1450128957
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Saturday, December 5, 2020 at 12:15:34 PM UTC-5 Nick wrote:
>>>>>>> Thanks to all, It seems SWs' are really not the way forward. The 
>>>>>>> 'offline' feature was the appeal of TW, but as an app on my home 
>>>>>>> screen, the offline function is not working. It does not open from 
>>>>>>> files either on IOS. Its works in apps like quine but I need it to be 
>>>>>>> its own app. Maybe i've missed something, but there must be a way to 
>>>>>>> view a TW file offline on mobiles with only the .html file"?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>> Nick
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Saturday, 5 December 2020 at 16:36:05 UTC jeremy...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> Indeed. Service workers were intended to help re-engineer existing 
>>>>>>>> server-based applications to work offline. The main f

Re: [tw5] Competition for v5.1.23 artwork

[Jeremy Ruston]

Indeed, the banner competition has been really fun and I hugely appreciate 
everybody's contributions. We should possibly do more of these kind of 
participatory events.

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> On 6 Dec 2020, at 19:30, Atronoush  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Springer,
> 
> No need to apology! 
> I do appreciate all your efforts and I have bookmarked your wiki for future 
> reference! 
> Thank you
> 
> Cheers
> Atro
> 
> 
>> On Sunday, December 6, 2020 at 9:52:39 PM UTC+3:30 springer wrote:
>> Atro,
>> 
>> Good point, and I owe folks an apology if the logo-play page was loading 
>> with a theme other than vanilla. 
>> 
>> The scope of the competition as Jeremy set it up really is limited to 
>> serving as the banner image for the new version at tiddlywiki.com, though I 
>> configured my site as a repository for potential TW-related "branding" 
>> images more broadly (since I often want to use some kind of graphic badge on 
>> public-facing TW5 projects). 
>> 
>> For now, while the competition is on the front burner, I've taken the 
>> day/night button off the page controls, and ensured that the page should 
>> load with the "vanilla" palette.
>> 
>> Of course, people can also do, today, what you recommended earlier in the 
>> thread (1. Drop the artwork in https://tiddlywiki.com/; 2. Rename tiddler to 
>> New Release Banner; 3. Save the wiki and reload; 4. Look at the HelloWorld 
>> tiddler). If I knew how to automate that kind of mock-up easily, I'd do so, 
>> but at this point the logo-play site just showcases each of the images as 
>> submitted on this thread.
>> 
>> -Springer
>> 
>>> On Sunday, December 6, 2020 at 3:56:03 AM UTC-5 Atronoush wrote:
>>> Hi Springer,
>>>  I think the official tiddlywiki.com uses Vanilla palette. My candidate is 
>>> also optimized for Vanilla palette and will not work on dark palettes. 
>>> 
>>> @Jeremy 
>>> Compatibility with dark palettes if required, need to be added to rules for 
>>> competition.
>>> 
>>> Thank you
>>> Atro
>>>> On Sunday, December 6, 2020 at 2:51:32 AM UTC+3:30 springer wrote:
>>>> gallery: 
>>>> https://springerspandrel.github.io/tw/logo-play.html#5.1.23%20logo%20candidates
>>>> 
>>>> This TOC permalink now shows just the entries most recently confirmed by 
>>>> each author. (I've included one realistic-keyboard variant of mine, since 
>>>> it's a really different idea from the wraparound logo, but I left out all 
>>>> other variations.)
>>>> 
>>>> -Springer
>>>>> On Saturday, December 5, 2020 at 6:10:04 PM UTC-5 jeremy...@gmail.com 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Thanks Springer, Atronoush,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I think it's no problem for people to make multiple entries. There's 
>>>>> perhaps an argument against making two entries that are very similar in 
>>>>> case it splits the vote.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'll send out the voting form tomorrow.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> @Jeremy, the wiki by Springer has all the candidates
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> It also has designs that aren't intended to be entered, so I am working 
>>>>> from the attachments to this thread.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best wishes
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jeremy.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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>>>>> https://jermolene.com
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 5 Dec 2020, at 22:57, Atronoush  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thank you Springer, yes if any participant can have only one candidate 
>>>>>> then my candidate is the one you posted above (I copied below).
>>>>>> @Jeremy, the wiki by Springer has all the candidates
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
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Re: [tw5] Service worker

[Jeremy Ruston]

If you’re using a phone you’ll need to scroll up to get to the search box.

Best wishes

Jeremy

> On 6 Dec 2020, at 12:19, Nick  wrote:
> 
> This solution is almost perfect and just whats needed. It however doesn't 
> have a search function. Is there a way of including the search?
> 
> Thanks
> Nick
> 
> On Sunday, 6 December 2020 at 10:56:44 UTC jeremy...@gmail.com 
>  wrote:
> Hi Nick
> 
>> To make life easier, I only require a read-only only version for this case. 
>> So no changes will be needed. But for a solution for others, it would I 
>> guess. This is why I thought just loading the TW to read offline would be a 
>> simple affair! 
> 
> I misunderstood, and thought you were wanting to make changes while offline.
> 
> In my tests, adding a TW to the iOS/iPadOS home screen does subsequently work 
> while offline. Here’s what I tried on iOS 14:
> 
> 1. Visit https://tiddlywiki.com  in Safari while 
> online
> 2. Tap the export button in the bottom toolbar, and scroll down to find the 
> “Add to home screen” action
> 3. You’ll be taken back to the homescreen where there will be a new icon
> 4. Tap the icon to launch TW as a standalone app and verify that it works
> 5. Engage airplane mode
> 6. Use the task switcher to quit the TW standalone app
> 7. Return to the home screen and tap the TW shortcut again
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Jeremy
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>> @Ed Thanks, yes I use Quine alot for my TW on my phone, and it's excellent. 
>> But I need a separate branded PWA/APP on the home screen. I have the PWA 
>> part, and now need the storage/cache part.
>> 
>> 
>> Best
>> Nick
>> 
>> On Sunday, 6 December 2020 at 04:48:44 UTC Ed Heil wrote:
>> Nick,
>> 
>> Have you looked at Quine2? 
>> 
>> https://apps.apple.com/us/app/quine-2/id1450128957 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Saturday, December 5, 2020 at 12:15:34 PM UTC-5 Nick wrote:
>> Thanks to all, It seems SWs' are really not the way forward. The 'offline' 
>> feature was the appeal of TW, but as an app on my home screen, the offline 
>> function is not working. It does not open from files either on IOS. Its 
>> works in apps like quine but I need it to be its own app. Maybe i've missed 
>> something, but there must be a way to view a TW file offline on mobiles with 
>> only the .html file"?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Nick
>> 
>> On Saturday, 5 December 2020 at 16:36:05 UTC jeremy...@gmail.com <> wrote:
>> Indeed. Service workers were intended to help re-engineer existing 
>> server-based applications to work offline. The main feature is a background 
>> thread that can fake network requests when the system is offline. It still 
>> uses the same LocalStorage as an ordinary web page. So there’s not really 
>> anything to be gained for an application like TiddlyWiki that was designed 
>> from the ground up to work offline. It’s a shame.
>> 
>> Best wishes
>> 
>> Jeremy
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 5 Dec 2020, at 15:52, Saq Imtiaz > wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>>> I have similar feelings about service workers as Jed... 
>>> That said, I know LinOneTwo has done some work with service worker and TW 
>>> but I am not familiar with the details: 
>>> https://github.com/linonetwo/tiddlywiki-plugins 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [tw5] Dark, light palettes: How to find which is in use?

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Mohammad
> 
>  So if a user change the palette in Tiddlywiki, say from "Vanilla" to "Gruv 
> Box Dark" there is no way a third party plugin notify about this change! Am I 
> right?

The plugin would be able to tell that $:/palette was set to 
$:/palettes/GruvboxDark, but there would be no way for the plugin to know 
whether the palette is supposed to be categorised as light or dark.


> If the above is correct, a plugin needs to have its own setting and dark 
> palette/theme and lets user manually switch the plugin palette/theme to meet 
> the Tiddlywiki palette in use.

Nothing has changed here; we’ve always had a mix of light and dark palettes, 
with no special markings to indicate which is which.

If plugins want to play well with different palettes the best technique is to 
ensure that they exclusively use named colours via the <> macro; that 
way everything will change automatically as the palette is changed.

Best wishes

Jeremy.


> 
> --Mohammad
> 
> On Sunday, December 6, 2020 at 2:40:48 PM UTC+3:30 jeremy...@gmail.com 
>  wrote:
> Hi Mohammad
> 
>> Third party plugins need to distinguish between dark and light palettes to 
>> adjust colors and other visual effects of their elements.
>> 
>> In TW 5.1.23, how a plugin can find which mode is in use? Dark or Light? Is 
>> there any state or info tiddler?
> 
> Beyond the ability to make dark palettes that we’ve had for a long time, the 
> only support for dark mode in v5.1.23 is that the operating system dark mode 
> setting is reflected in $:/info/darkmode.
> 
> We opted not to implement automatic switching of palettes in this release 
> largely because of the backwards compatibility issues that we want to get 
> right.
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Jeremy
> 
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Re: [tw5] Dark, light palettes: How to find which is in use?

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Mohammad

> Third party plugins need to distinguish between dark and light palettes to 
> adjust colors and other visual effects of their elements.
> 
> In TW 5.1.23, how a plugin can find which mode is in use? Dark or Light? Is 
> there any state or info tiddler?

Beyond the ability to make dark palettes that we’ve had for a long time, the 
only support for dark mode in v5.1.23 is that the operating system dark mode 
setting is reflected in $:/info/darkmode.

We opted not to implement automatic switching of palettes in this release 
largely because of the backwards compatibility issues that we want to get right.

Best wishes

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Re: [tw5] Service worker

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Nick

> To make life easier, I only require a read-only only version for this case. 
> So no changes will be needed. But for a solution for others, it would I 
> guess. This is why I thought just loading the TW to read offline would be a 
> simple affair! 

I misunderstood, and thought you were wanting to make changes while offline.

In my tests, adding a TW to the iOS/iPadOS home screen does subsequently work 
while offline. Here’s what I tried on iOS 14:

1. Visit https://tiddlywiki.com  in Safari while online
2. Tap the export button in the bottom toolbar, and scroll down to find the 
“Add to home screen” action
3. You’ll be taken back to the homescreen where there will be a new icon
4. Tap the icon to launch TW as a standalone app and verify that it works
5. Engage airplane mode
6. Use the task switcher to quit the TW standalone app
7. Return to the home screen and tap the TW shortcut again

Best wishes

Jeremy




> 
> @Ed Thanks, yes I use Quine alot for my TW on my phone, and it's excellent. 
> But I need a separate branded PWA/APP on the home screen. I have the PWA 
> part, and now need the storage/cache part.
> 
> 
> Best
> Nick
> 
> On Sunday, 6 December 2020 at 04:48:44 UTC Ed Heil wrote:
> Nick,
> 
> Have you looked at Quine2? 
> 
> https://apps.apple.com/us/app/quine-2/id1450128957 
> 
> 
> 
> On Saturday, December 5, 2020 at 12:15:34 PM UTC-5 Nick wrote:
> Thanks to all, It seems SWs' are really not the way forward. The 'offline' 
> feature was the appeal of TW, but as an app on my home screen, the offline 
> function is not working. It does not open from files either on IOS. Its works 
> in apps like quine but I need it to be its own app. Maybe i've missed 
> something, but there must be a way to view a TW file offline on mobiles with 
> only the .html file"?
> 
> Thanks
> Nick
> 
> On Saturday, 5 December 2020 at 16:36:05 UTC jeremy...@gmail.com <> wrote:
> Indeed. Service workers were intended to help re-engineer existing 
> server-based applications to work offline. The main feature is a background 
> thread that can fake network requests when the system is offline. It still 
> uses the same LocalStorage as an ordinary web page. So there’s not really 
> anything to be gained for an application like TiddlyWiki that was designed 
> from the ground up to work offline. It’s a shame.
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Jeremy
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 5 Dec 2020, at 15:52, Saq Imtiaz > wrote:
>> 
> 
>> I have similar feelings about service workers as Jed... 
>> That said, I know LinOneTwo has done some work with service worker and TW 
>> but I am not familiar with the details: 
>> https://github.com/linonetwo/tiddlywiki-plugins 
>> 
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Re: [tw5] Competition for v5.1.23 artwork

[Jeremy Ruston]

Thank you Springer, that will be very helpful,

Best wishes

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> On 5 Dec 2020, at 23:21, springer  wrote:
> 
> gallery: 
> https://springerspandrel.github.io/tw/logo-play.html#5.1.23%20logo%20candidates
> 
> This TOC permalink now shows just the entries most recently confirmed by each 
> author. (I've included one realistic-keyboard variant of mine, since it's a 
> really different idea from the wraparound logo, but I left out all other 
> variations.)
> 
> -Springer
>> On Saturday, December 5, 2020 at 6:10:04 PM UTC-5 jeremy...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Thanks Springer, Atronoush,
>> 
>> I think it's no problem for people to make multiple entries. There's perhaps 
>> an argument against making two entries that are very similar in case it 
>> splits the vote.
>> 
>> I'll send out the voting form tomorrow.
>> 
>>> @Jeremy, the wiki by Springer has all the candidates
>> 
>> 
>> It also has designs that aren't intended to be entered, so I am working from 
>> the attachments to this thread.
>> 
>> Best wishes
>> 
>> Jeremy.
>> 
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>>>> On 5 Dec 2020, at 22:57, Atronoush  wrote:
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>>> Thank you Springer, yes if any participant can have only one candidate then 
>>> my candidate is the one you posted above (I copied below).
>>> @Jeremy, the wiki by Springer has all the candidates
>>> 
>> 
>>> 
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Re: [tw5] Competition for v5.1.23 artwork

[Jeremy Ruston]

Thanks Springer, Atronoush,

I think it's no problem for people to make multiple entries. There's perhaps an 
argument against making two entries that are very similar in case it splits the 
vote.

I'll send out the voting form tomorrow.

> @Jeremy, the wiki by Springer has all the candidates


It also has designs that aren't intended to be entered, so I am working from 
the attachments to this thread.

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> On 5 Dec 2020, at 22:57, Atronoush  wrote:
> 
> 
> Thank you Springer, yes if any participant can have only one candidate then 
> my candidate is the one you posted above (I copied below).
> @Jeremy, the wiki by Springer has all the candidates
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [tw5] Competition for v5.1.23 artwork

[Jeremy Ruston]

I need to close the competition now, and put up the voting form. I will take 
the latest entries from this thread.

Springer, it looks like you may have different versions up on your site. If so, 
it would be helpful if you could repost your final entries here.

Best wishes

Jeremy.

> On 30 Nov 2020, at 05:49, Atronoush  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mark,
>  Yes, I agree :-).
> 
> Mask artwork was in response to Jeremy request: reflect the current situation 
> and events of year. Unfortunately because of the license issue it seems we 
> cannot use the artworks with masks!
> 
> --Atro
> 
> On Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 11:45:41 PM UTC+3:30 Mark S. wrote:
> What we need is the TW Kitty wearing a mask. 
> 
> On Tuesday, October 20, 2020 at 9:00:39 AM UTC-7 Atronoush wrote:
> The colorful mask is sent again! There was a need to align horizontally 
> center the elements.
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 7:23 PM Atronoush Parsi > wrote:
> Hi Jeremy,
>  Here I send two banner images, both created in Inkscape. So, you or other 
> interested people can edit and customize it.
> 
> Artwork one: The circles means TW is a modular, lego-wise framework and also 
> it is maintained by a lovely community (group of users [outer circles] and 
> group of developers [inner circles])
> 
> 
> Artwork two: This second artwork reflects the pandemic
> 
> 
> 
> Artwork three: same as two with colorful face mask
> 
> 
> 
> --Atro
> 
> 
> P.s: The second artwork uses a free open source icon from flaticon.
> 
> On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 11:55 AM Jeremy Ruston > wrote:
> TiddlyWiki v5.1.23 is nearing release with many exciting updates; see 
> https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease <https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease> to try 
> it out. As usual, I’d like to hold a competition to design the banner image 
> that is shown on the splash screen and within the opening HelloThere tiddler.
> 
> The rules for the competition are:
> 
> * The version number (with the correct punctuation) must be clear and 
> readable even when the banner is shown at a reduced size
> * The image must be a PNG, JPEG or SVG of exactly 560x315 pixels
> * The bottom 46 pixels will be obscured by the banner text “What’s new in 
> 5.1.23” when it is displayed within HelloThere
> * Feel free to enter an updated version of artwork that was a runner-up in a 
> previous competition
> * Reply to this message with your entry, or any questions
> 
> Here are the posts about previous artwork competitions:
> 
> v5.1.22 - https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/rYrja18_SfQ/m/JAklPfjfAwAJ 
> <https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/rYrja18_SfQ/m/JAklPfjfAwAJ>
> v5.1.21 - https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/l47ZZzWdDb8/m/6s0p_3QeCgAJ 
> <https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/l47ZZzWdDb8/m/6s0p_3QeCgAJ>
> 
> Inspiration might come from some of the new features in v5.1.22, or perhaps 
> reflect something of the uniqueness of this peculiar year. If you’ve got a 
> great idea for the banner image, but don’t have the skills to produce 
> finished artwork, do feel free to share your ideas in case another person 
> would like to work on the artwork.
> 
> The competition will be open for a week, at which point if there is more than 
> one submission I’ll set up a Google Form for voting.
> 
> Best wishes and many thanks,
> 
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Re: [tw5] Service worker

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> Thanks to all, It seems SWs' are really not the way forward. The 'offline' 
> feature was the appeal of TW, but as an app on my home screen, the offline 
> function is not working.

You could experiment with using the "browser-storage" plugin from the official 
plugin library to store changes in local storage but I’d be worried that it 
would be brittle, and the data might be removed by the system without warning.

> It does not open from files either on IOS. Its works in apps like quine but I 
> need it to be its own app. Maybe i've missed something, but there must be a 
> way to view a TW file offline on mobiles with only the .html file"?

As far as I have been able to discover, there’s no built in way on iOS/iPadOS 
to view a locally stored HTML file with JavaScript enabled.

I don’t think it’s quite what you’re after but I have successfully run the 
Node.js configuration of TiddlyWiki on iPadOS using both JSBox and Play.js.

Best wishes

Jeremy.

> 
> Thanks
> Nick
> 
> On Saturday, 5 December 2020 at 16:36:05 UTC jeremy...@gmail.com wrote:
> Indeed. Service workers were intended to help re-engineer existing 
> server-based applications to work offline. The main feature is a background 
> thread that can fake network requests when the system is offline. It still 
> uses the same LocalStorage as an ordinary web page. So there’s not really 
> anything to be gained for an application like TiddlyWiki that was designed 
> from the ground up to work offline. It’s a shame.
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Jeremy
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 5 Dec 2020, at 15:52, Saq Imtiaz > > wrote:
>> 
> 
>> I have similar feelings about service workers as Jed... 
>> That said, I know LinOneTwo has done some work with service worker and TW 
>> but I am not familiar with the details: 
>> https://github.com/linonetwo/tiddlywiki-plugins 
>> 
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Re: [tw5] Service worker

[Jeremy Ruston]

Indeed. Service workers were intended to help re-engineer existing server-based 
applications to work offline. The main feature is a background thread that can 
fake network requests when the system is offline. It still uses the same 
LocalStorage as an ordinary web page. So there’s not really anything to be 
gained for an application like TiddlyWiki that was designed from the ground up 
to work offline. It’s a shame.

Best wishes

Jeremy



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> 
> I have similar feelings about service workers as Jed... 
> That said, I know LinOneTwo has done some work with service worker and TW but 
> I am not familiar with the details: 
> https://github.com/linonetwo/tiddlywiki-plugins
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Re: [tw5] Date format for the Timelines plugin

[Jeremy Ruston]

I’ve made some further adjustments to support working with negative dates:

https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/#DateFormat:%5B%5BDate%20Fields%5D%5D%20DateFormat
 <https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/#DateFormat:[[Date Fields]] DateFormat>

Let me know how it goes,

Best wishes

Jeremy.

> On 30 Nov 2020, at 19:19, Jeremy Ruston  wrote:
> 
> Hi Jutta
> 
> I’ve been able to make one quick adjustment to fix the handling of dates 
> between 0 and 100AD:
> 
> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/commit/fe8606759ebf1db50c57a2e779b086a6d7df2ae6
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> <https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/commit/fe8606759ebf1db50c57a2e779b086a6d7df2ae6>
> 
> You can try it out on the prerelease here:
> 
> https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease <https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease>
> 
> I’ll have a look to see if we can do something about handling negative dates 
> correctly.
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Jeremy.
> 
>> On 30 Nov 2020, at 02:32, TW Tones > <mailto:anthony.mus...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Jutta,
>> 
>> I have never had to deal with such old dates, but if you primarily just want 
>> to assign years, and no need to check or test months of the year, days of 
>> the month then rather than use a date field perhaps just have a year field? 
>> Basically treat BC as another number in a field. In reality the systems 
>> behind different historical calendars, changes in interpretation, leap years 
>> ands non leap millennia reduce the accuracy of most date system too far 
>> back. To handle this correctly one would need a fit for purpose calendar 
>> extension, but if your resolution is only to the year you could just use a 
>> number, and perhaps a sequence number if something is known to proceed or 
>> follow another in the same year.
>> 
>> Regards
>> Tones
>> 
>> On Sunday, 29 November 2020 at 17:54:25 UTC+11 jutta@googlemail.com 
>> <http://googlemail.com/> wrote:
>> Hello Eskha,
>> 
>> yes, thank you, indeed, the minus works for me, too. It is a bit confusing 
>> because it takes the place of the first year digit, so the earliest year you 
>> can do is -999, but that's fine for my purpose. But I still cannot get the 
>> first century AD to work. Any year with two leading zeroes is interpreted as 
>> 19..Is there a trick for that somehow?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Jutta
>> 
>> On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 9:33:25 PM UTC+1 Eskha wrote:
>> Hello Jutta,
>> 
>> What is working for me: I use "Y" format for date and a "-" in front of the 
>> date (eg -200 for 200 BC). 
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Eskha
>> 
>> Le samedi 28 novembre 2020 à 20:35:53 UTC+1, jutta@googlemail.com <> a 
>> écrit :
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I am trying to get the Timelines plugin to work for my project. The problem 
>> is, that my novel is set in the time of the early Roman empire, so I need my 
>> timeline to be able 
>> to display events from around 40 BC to 20 AD. Is there any way to enter 
>> dates before the year 0? Also, even for the first 100 years AD it does not 
>> work. When my datestring starts with two leading zeros, it always interprets 
>> it as 19.. So when I enter a date like
>> 00090917 (which would be the date of the battle in the Teutoburg forest), 
>> the timeline wiki renders it as 1909. For the year 0109 it works correctly. 
>> 
>> Are there any solutions for this? If the date format itself does not allow 
>> the dates to be BC, is there a way to use current dates (like, set 
>> everything 2000 years in the future) in the date field so that the macro 
>> knows how to space and order them and then display a text string with the 
>> correct date from another field in the view instead?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Jutta
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Re: [tw5] Date format for the Timelines plugin

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Jutta

I’ve been able to make one quick adjustment to fix the handling of dates 
between 0 and 100AD:

https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/commit/fe8606759ebf1db50c57a2e779b086a6d7df2ae6
 


You can try it out on the prerelease here:

https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease 

I’ll have a look to see if we can do something about handling negative dates 
correctly.

Best wishes

Jeremy.

> On 30 Nov 2020, at 02:32, TW Tones  wrote:
> 
> Jutta,
> 
> I have never had to deal with such old dates, but if you primarily just want 
> to assign years, and no need to check or test months of the year, days of the 
> month then rather than use a date field perhaps just have a year field? 
> Basically treat BC as another number in a field. In reality the systems 
> behind different historical calendars, changes in interpretation, leap years 
> ands non leap millennia reduce the accuracy of most date system too far back. 
> To handle this correctly one would need a fit for purpose calendar extension, 
> but if your resolution is only to the year you could just use a number, and 
> perhaps a sequence number if something is known to proceed or follow another 
> in the same year.
> 
> Regards
> Tones
> 
> On Sunday, 29 November 2020 at 17:54:25 UTC+11 jutta@googlemail.com 
>  wrote:
> Hello Eskha,
> 
> yes, thank you, indeed, the minus works for me, too. It is a bit confusing 
> because it takes the place of the first year digit, so the earliest year you 
> can do is -999, but that's fine for my purpose. But I still cannot get the 
> first century AD to work. Any year with two leading zeroes is interpreted as 
> 19..Is there a trick for that somehow?
> 
> Thanks,
> Jutta
> 
> On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 9:33:25 PM UTC+1 Eskha wrote:
> Hello Jutta,
> 
> What is working for me: I use "Y" format for date and a "-" in front of the 
> date (eg -200 for 200 BC). 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Eskha
> 
> Le samedi 28 novembre 2020 à 20:35:53 UTC+1, jutta@googlemail.com <> a 
> écrit :
> Hi,
> 
> I am trying to get the Timelines plugin to work for my project. The problem 
> is, that my novel is set in the time of the early Roman empire, so I need my 
> timeline to be able 
> to display events from around 40 BC to 20 AD. Is there any way to enter dates 
> before the year 0? Also, even for the first 100 years AD it does not work. 
> When my datestring starts with two leading zeros, it always interprets it as 
> 19.. So when I enter a date like
> 00090917 (which would be the date of the battle in the Teutoburg forest), the 
> timeline wiki renders it as 1909. For the year 0109 it works correctly. 
> 
> Are there any solutions for this? If the date format itself does not allow 
> the dates to be BC, is there a way to use current dates (like, set everything 
> 2000 years in the future) in the date field so that the macro knows how to 
> space and order them and then display a text string with the correct date 
> from another field in the view instead?
> 
> Thanks,
> Jutta
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Re: [tw5] Re: Imminent release of v5.1.23

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Tony

Thank you, much appreciated.

> Shortly I will publish an on line copy with local storage allowing easy 
> testing of the pre-release including with plugin installs without download. 
> Perhaps this could become a standard part of the release process. It may 
> encourage more people to test, although a copy of any wiki, upgraded to the 
> pre-release is a great way for people to test whole wikis. (But testers do 
> revert to your original until the final release).

I should have also pointed out the 10.5MB "full" edition which is loaded with 
many more plugins than the prerelease:

https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/editions/full/

Let me know if there are any plugins missed off,

Best wishes

Jeremy

> 
> I will endeavour to break it :)
> 
> Regards
> Tony
> 
>> On Monday, 30 November 2020 at 22:36:42 UTC+11 jeremy...@gmail.com wrote:
>> I’m hoping that we’ll be able to release v5.1.23 of TiddlyWiki towards the 
>> end of this week. There’s some discussion over on GitHub about the last few 
>> loose ends to be tied up:
>> 
>> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/5130
>> 
>> The most important call to action is for developers of plugins and 
>> adaptations to take this opportunity to verify that the new release doesn’t 
>> break anything.
>> 
>> The second call to action is for as many people as possible to put the new 
>> release through it’s paces by performing a test upgrade of the wikis that 
>> are important to them. Don’t switch over to the new version yet, of course.
>> 
>> You can upgrade single file wikis here:
>> 
>> https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/upgrade.html
>> 
>> This is a really quite a massive release, with over 160 new features listed 
>> in the release note. (I am working on improvements to the presentation of 
>> the release note, it’s a bit of a wall of text right now).
>> 
>> https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/
>> 
>> Just to mention a handful of new features that I’m particularly excited 
>> about:
>> 
>> * Keyboard support for the main core dropdowns: search, new tag, tiddler 
>> type, new field, and the “link” button in the editor toolbar
>> * The beginnings of support for switchable page templates (referred to as 
>> layouts), which will give us a route to introduce a more modern alternative 
>> layout
>> * The ability to rename tiddlers during the import process (and to easily 
>> see which incoming tiddlers will overwrite existing tiddlers)
>> * Many new filter operators that together make the TiddlyWiki filter 
>> language significantly more powerful and expressive
>> * Improvements to the “tm-scroll” message making it possible to scroll to 
>> positions within a tiddler
>> * Via the JSZip plugin, the ability to dynamically create ZIP files, giving 
>> us the ability to create static sites in the browser
>> * New <$action-log> and <$log> widgets to aid debugging
>> 
>> There are many, many bug fixes and other improvements too.
>> 
>> As ever, I’m profoundly grateful to all the contributors who have pulled 
>> together to make this such an exciting release. You can see here how much 
>> activity there’s been since v5.1.22:
>> 
>> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/graphs/contributors?from=2020-04-16=2020-11-30=c
>> 
>> My own contribution graph (below) shows nicely how this release covers my 
>> illness and recovery from COVID, and undoubtedly a strange and painful time 
>> for all of us. I couldn’t be more pleased that this community has thrived, 
>> and seems to be working together so well at the moment.
>> 
>> Please respond with any questions and thoughts here.
>> 
>> Best wishes
>> 
>> Jeremy.
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [tw5] Competition for v5.1.23 artwork

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Springer

Thanks, and apologies, I think the problem was that I'd only found the 
"Springer" tiddler, and not the "5.1.23 Logo Candidates" tiddler:

https://springerspandrel.github.io/tw/logo-play.html#5.1.23%20logo%20candidates

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> On 30 Nov 2020, at 12:35, Elise Springer  wrote:
> 
> Jeremy, bimlas, and all,
> 
> The image by bimlas is there, as "original keycaps" (last on overview toc, 
> which is in roughly reverse chrono order). I hadn't made an author toc for 
> bimlas since there was only one entry, but I could do so later today.
> 
> -Springer
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Nov 30, 2020, at 4:55 AM, Jeremy Ruston  wrote:
>>> 
>> Thanks everyone, and thanks Springer for pulling all the entries together.
>> 
>> I did notice that the entry from Bimlas on 25th October doesn’t seem to be 
>> there though (see below).
>> 
>> The next step is that I’ll assemble a voting form for the entries. Perhaps 
>> those with multiple colour variants of their designs might want to choose a 
>> single entry, otherwise there’s a risk that the vote will be split.
>> 
>> Many thanks,
>> 
>> Jeremy
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 30 Nov 2020, at 07:29, springer  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Atro,
>>> 
>>> Actually, I already had added all the more-or-less finished logo candidates 
>>> I've seen so far (though some hadn't appeared on the Recent list because I 
>>> dragged them in as images, and so the tiddlers lacked modification date 
>>> until I added fields, etc.).
>>> 
>>> But I had been thinking about converting to vertical tabs or TOC display, 
>>> so I went ahead and did that based on your nudge. 
>>> 
>>> As for making the site open to future competitions, I'm happy to do so down 
>>> the line if it's useful to folks, though hopefully 5.1.24 won't need to be 
>>> coming down the pike in too much of a hurry. ;) 
>>> 
>>>> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 12:47:25 AM UTC-5 Atronoush wrote:
>>>> Springer,
>>>>  Many thanks for the demo site lets to see all candidates in one place.
>>>> 
>>>> Few suggestion, of course if you have time
>>>> 1. Please add other candidate artwork (you can ask for svg and png both)
>>>> 2. increase the storyriver width and use vertical tabs in 
>>>> https://springerspandrel.github.io/tw/logo-play.html#Springer
>>>> 3. change the site title (sidebar logo and title) to something more 
>>>> general not restricted to 5.1.23
>>>> 4. let use your website for future competition so after a while we will 
>>>> have a lot of artworks for different releases/competitions ( consider in 
>>>> 2100 users will see the history of TW artworks :-) :-) :) LOL:::)
>>>> 5. your website will acts as a resource other users can download their 
>>>> favorite artworks for their customization and use
>>>> 
>>>> And million thanks for making logo-play!
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Atro
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 10:30:13 PM UTC+3:30 springer wrote:
>>>>> Nice! I've added this last to the site with contestants received so far. 
>>>>> I'll add your other color variants too if you post them here at standard 
>>>>> size.
>>>>> 
>>>>> https://springerspandrel.github.io/tw/logo-play.html
>>>>>> On Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 1:36:28 PM UTC-5 sil...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> A little variant to with with an overview of the grid, and other test 
>>>>>> with bumble to be more like a tiddler.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ++
>>>>>> Sylvain
>>> 
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Re: [tw5] Re: Filter based on integer field values less than or equal to

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Damon
> I saw that, but it was my understanding that it only operated on tiddler 
> titles. I need it to operate on a custom field. 

Apologies, I hadn't noticed that Joshua had already referenced the core compare 
operator. I deleted my message and hoped that nobody had noticed!

Best wishes

Jeremy


> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Damon 
> 
> 
>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 12:16 PM Jeremy Ruston  
>> wrote:
>> Hi Damon
>> 
>> We now have a compare operator in the core that can do "less than" 
>> comparisons on numbers, dates and strings:
>> 
>> https://tiddlywiki.com/#compare%20Operator
>> 
>> Best wishes
>> 
>> Jeremy
>> 
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>> 
>>>> On 29 Nov 2020, at 19:14, History Buff  wrote:
>>>> 
>>> Joshua,
>>> 
>>> I stumbled on this thread today while searching for "less than" in this 
>>> group. Your compare fields filter is exactly what I was looking for! Thanks 
>>> so much. It works amazingly.
>>> 
>>> Damon
>>> 
>>>> On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 4:03:09 PM UTC-7 joshua@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> The core "compare[X]" operator only compare each "input title" to the 
>>>> operand (i.e. X). It has options to compare strings, numbers, equal to, 
>>>> greater than, etc BUT the limitation of only comparing input-title 
>>>> means you would have to use "get[]" or similar to retrieve the data, thus 
>>>> losing the "title" during the filter-processing.
>>>> 
>>>> I don't think "subfilter[]" will help here, because the compare[] op, as I 
>>>> said, returns the data that passes the compare-function given, NOT the 
>>>> title.
>>>> 
>>>> So I rolled my own. It is included in the JSONMangler plugin, but can be 
>>>> pulled into any wiki if you go to the plugin-contents tab, and drag the 
>>>> filter you want to your own wiki:
>>>> 
>>>> http://chronicles.wiki/TW5-JsonMangler/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Fjoshuafontany%2Fjsonmangler
>>>> 
>>>> You will want to drag and drop the
>>>> $:/plugins/joshuafontany/jsonmangler/modules/filters/comparefield.js
>>>>  link in the contents tab.
>>>> 
>>>> Best,
>>>> 
>>>> Joshua Fontany
>>>> 
>>>>> On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 1:34:39 PM UTC-7 scarab...@gmail.com 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> I'm looking for a way to get tiddlers based on comparing integer fields 
>>>>> existing in them. This filter works:
>>>>> 
>>>>> [myfieldOne[2]myfieldTwo[2]]
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'd like something like:
>>>>> 
>>>>> [myfieldOne[lteq[2]]myfieldTwo[lteq[2]]]  
>>>>> 
>>>>> I know there are compare operators 
>>>>> (https://tiddlywiki.com/#compare%20Operator), but I haven't figured out 
>>>>> how to use it to filter the lists. Would this require a subfilter? If so, 
>>>>> how would that look? 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>> Sean
>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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Re: [tw5] Re: Filter based on integer field values less than or equal to

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Damon

We now have a compare operator in the core that can do "less than" comparisons 
on numbers, dates and strings:

https://tiddlywiki.com/#compare%20Operator

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> On 29 Nov 2020, at 19:14, History Buff  wrote:
> 
> Joshua,
> 
> I stumbled on this thread today while searching for "less than" in this 
> group. Your compare fields filter is exactly what I was looking for! Thanks 
> so much. It works amazingly.
> 
> Damon
> 
>> On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 4:03:09 PM UTC-7 joshua@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>> The core "compare[X]" operator only compare each "input title" to the 
>> operand (i.e. X). It has options to compare strings, numbers, equal to, 
>> greater than, etc BUT the limitation of only comparing input-title means 
>> you would have to use "get[]" or similar to retrieve the data, thus losing 
>> the "title" during the filter-processing.
>> 
>> I don't think "subfilter[]" will help here, because the compare[] op, as I 
>> said, returns the data that passes the compare-function given, NOT the title.
>> 
>> So I rolled my own. It is included in the JSONMangler plugin, but can be 
>> pulled into any wiki if you go to the plugin-contents tab, and drag the 
>> filter you want to your own wiki:
>> 
>> http://chronicles.wiki/TW5-JsonMangler/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Fjoshuafontany%2Fjsonmangler
>> 
>> You will want to drag and drop the
>> $:/plugins/joshuafontany/jsonmangler/modules/filters/comparefield.js
>>  link in the contents tab.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Joshua Fontany
>> 
>>> On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 1:34:39 PM UTC-7 scarab...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>> I'm looking for a way to get tiddlers based on comparing integer fields 
>>> existing in them. This filter works:
>>> 
>>> [myfieldOne[2]myfieldTwo[2]]
>>> 
>>> I'd like something like:
>>> 
>>> [myfieldOne[lteq[2]]myfieldTwo[lteq[2]]]  
>>> 
>>> I know there are compare operators 
>>> (https://tiddlywiki.com/#compare%20Operator), but I haven't figured out how 
>>> to use it to filter the lists. Would this require a subfilter? If so, how 
>>> would that look? 
>>> 
>>> Thanks!
>>> Sean
>>> 
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Re: [tw5] Competition for v5.1.23 artwork

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Sylvain

That’s great, thanks for entering. One of the constraints is that the text must 
be “v5.1.23”, might you be able to rework it along those lines?

Many thanks,

Jeremy

> On 29 Nov 2020, at 14:05, Sylvain Naudin  wrote:
> 
> Bonjour :)
> 
> In this rainy Sunday I wanted to play with Inkscape isometric and path effect 
> :)
> 
> http://tw5.xyz/img/whatisnew5.1.23-rc0.png
> 
> In fact I don't really like colors but we can change it easily.
> It's not really finished, the idea was to put 1.23 in tooltip, even if in the 
> context it's almost there ;)
> And on day I'll try to render Jack isometric maybe, in a simple rendering (tu 
> put under TW5 for example since there is a blank space).
> 
> 
> 
> Greatly inspired by a tutorial from Logos by Nick on YouTube (he makes great 
> screencasts!).
> 
> Cheers,
> Sylvain
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [tw5] Competition for v5.1.23 artwork

[Jeremy Ruston]

> Hi Jeremy,
>  Is it possible to have a tiddler https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/ called 
> Banner competition and containing all proposed artworks to be able to compare 
> candidate artworks?

I’ll set up a Google Form for voting soon. tiddlywiki.com 
 is really for permanent information.

Best wishes

Jeremy.

> 
> Mohammad
> 
> On Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 5:25:45 PM UTC+3:30 jeremy...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
> Apologies, another technicality to note is that the bottom 46 pixels will be 
> obscured by the banner text “What’s new in v5.1.23”, so it’s best to keep 
> important parts of the image higher up.
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Jeremy
> 
> 
>> On 25 Nov 2020, at 13:43, Saq Imtiaz > > wrote:
>> 
> 
>> @springer excllent! Thank you. That one definitely has my vote.
>> 
>> On Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 2:20:51 PM UTC+1 springer wrote:
>> Saq, the aspect ratio 560x315 was a bit challenging, but with a bit of 
>> rearranging it can work, and maybe even make the keycap association clearer:
>> 
>> https://springerspandrel.github.io/tw/logo-play.html#keycaps%20in%20560x315%20box
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> On Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 6:55:36 AM UTC-5 saq.i...@gmail.com <> 
>> wrote:
>> @springer if you have the time and the interest, a variant of " larger 
>> keycaps hint " that fits the required dimensions (560x315 ) would be 
>> interesting. 
>> 
>> On Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 1:56:44 AM UTC+1 springer wrote:
>> Dave, done. (Visible, along with other variants with subtle keycap imagery, 
>> at the site, https://springerspandrel.github.io/tw/logo-play.html 
>> )
>> Just one stray thought: I wonder whether strings like 5.1.23 might (in some 
>> places) get misread as date tags (May 1 2023, or Jan 5 2023, depending on 
>> local conventions) ...
>> If so, perhaps having a "v." (as in v.5.1.23) in the logo might help.
>> 
>> On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 6:54:52 PM UTC-5 David Gifford wrote:
>> I like the right side of "TW 5.1.23 rectangular logo" could you do that as a 
>> separate entry?
>> 
>> On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 5:38:26 PM UTC-6 springer wrote:
>> Hey all, rather than bombard the list with variants, I just set up a tw page 
>> with alternatives, including one with a keycaps theme:
>> 
>> https://springerspandrel.github.io/tw/logo-play.html 
>> 
>> On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 5:28:00 PM UTC-5 j.te...@gmail.com <> wrote:
>> Definitely a +1 for springer's artwork.
>> 
>> Best wishes,
>> Julio
>> 
>> On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 3:59:04 PM UTC-5 saq.i...@gmail.com <> 
>> wrote:
>> I give up. GG just hangs when I try to include an image.
>> 
>> On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 9:53:10 PM UTC+1 Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>> This is a quick mash up on the phone just to illustrate the idea (and 
>> obviously the wrong aspect ratio) but perhaps it might inspire someone else.
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [tw5] Competition for v5.1.23 artwork

[Jeremy Ruston]

Apologies, another technicality to note is that the bottom 46 pixels will be 
obscured by the banner text “What’s new in v5.1.23”, so it’s best to keep 
important parts of the image higher up.

Best wishes

Jeremy

> On 25 Nov 2020, at 13:43, Saq Imtiaz  wrote:
> 
> @springer excllent! Thank you. That one definitely has my vote.
> 
> On Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 2:20:51 PM UTC+1 springer wrote:
> Saq, the aspect ratio 560x315 was a bit challenging, but with a bit of 
> rearranging it can work, and maybe even make the keycap association clearer:
> 
> https://springerspandrel.github.io/tw/logo-play.html#keycaps%20in%20560x315%20box
>  
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 6:55:36 AM UTC-5 saq.i...@gmail.com 
>  wrote:
> @springer if you have the time and the interest, a variant of " larger 
> keycaps hint " that fits the required dimensions (560x315 ) would be 
> interesting. 
> 
> On Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 1:56:44 AM UTC+1 springer wrote:
> Dave, done. (Visible, along with other variants with subtle keycap imagery, 
> at the site, https://springerspandrel.github.io/tw/logo-play.html 
> )
> Just one stray thought: I wonder whether strings like 5.1.23 might (in some 
> places) get misread as date tags (May 1 2023, or Jan 5 2023, depending on 
> local conventions) ...
> If so, perhaps having a "v." (as in v.5.1.23) in the logo might help.
> 
> On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 6:54:52 PM UTC-5 David Gifford wrote:
> I like the right side of "TW 5.1.23 rectangular logo" could you do that as a 
> separate entry?
> 
> On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 5:38:26 PM UTC-6 springer wrote:
> Hey all, rather than bombard the list with variants, I just set up a tw page 
> with alternatives, including one with a keycaps theme:
> 
> https://springerspandrel.github.io/tw/logo-play.html 
> 
> On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 5:28:00 PM UTC-5 j.te...@gmail.com <> wrote:
> Definitely a +1 for springer's artwork.
> 
> Best wishes,
> Julio
> 
> On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 3:59:04 PM UTC-5 saq.i...@gmail.com <> wrote:
> I give up. GG just hangs when I try to include an image.
> 
> On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 9:53:10 PM UTC+1 Saq Imtiaz wrote:
> This is a quick mash up on the phone just to illustrate the idea (and 
> obviously the wrong aspect ratio) but perhaps it might inspire someone else.
> 
> 
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Re: [tw5] Using self-closing tags for widgets

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Soren

TW5 treats the following tags as void. This means that  no terminating  
is needed (indeed, if one is provided it will be ignored and treated as plain 
text), and the  syntax:

area,base,br,col,command,embed,hr,img,input,keygen,link,meta,param,source,track,wbr

If you don’t close any other tag then it will behave as if the missing closing 
tag were at the end of the tiddler.

I’ve updated the docs to add these details:

https://tiddlywiki.com/#HTML%20in%20WikiText

Best wishes

Jeremy

> On 25 Nov 2020, at 00:57, soren.b...@gmail.com  
> wrote:
> 
> Today I learned that I've been wrong about self-closing tags (e.g., ) 
> in HTML5 for years. The new rules 
> 
>  appear to be that they are allowed but meaningless on void elements (those 
> that don't allow content), and entirely disallowed on any other elements.
> 
> Most TiddlyWiki widgets that don't have content use the self-closing syntax 
> in the documentation (e.g., macrocall 
> ), and state that the content is 
> "ignored". My question is, are these widgets defined like HTML5 void 
> elements, so that they won't gobble up any body content if I don't close 
> them? In that case, I would do best to simply stop using self-closing tags 
> altogether, since they no longer have any meaning in modern HTML. Or would 
> that potentially cause issues with the wikitext parser gobbling up other 
> stuff as part of the "ignored" content, so that I should continue using the 
> self-closing tags, but only for widgets?
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Re: [tw5] Competition for v5.1.23 artwork

[Jeremy Ruston]

> Dave, done. (Visible, along with other variants with subtle keycap imagery, 
> at the site, https://springerspandrel.github.io/tw/logo-play.html 
> )
> Just one stray thought: I wonder whether strings like 5.1.23 might (in some 
> places) get misread as date tags (May 1 2023, or Jan 5 2023, depending on 
> local conventions) ...
> If so, perhaps having a "v." (as in v.5.1.23) in the logo might help.

Yes I think that’s quite important, and did used to be the case but has lapsed 
recently (see the archive here 
https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/l47ZZzWdDb8/m/6s0p_3QeCgAJ 
). I will 
add it to the rules for the next competition, but in the meantime it’s probably 
a bit too late to make it a constraint for this competition.

Best wishes

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Re: [tw5] accessibility support for links

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Jean-Pierre
> I am professionally concerned by a11y problems, checking website or webapps 
> for compliance to WCAG rules. Being French, this means following RGAA for me, 
> but this is only a facilitating tool for WCAG.
> 
> Whatever. I came upon two points that meant my support tw for RGAA stuff, 
> being in French, should mention that outer links to WCAG stuff be in French. 
> The standards linking doesn't allow for this. I wrote my own macro to 
> elaborated a custom  link. But definitely, if I had to recover all the 
> specifics of the standard linking mechanism, my macro would have been much 
> more complex! So I think the standard markup (or at least the $link widget) 
> should allow for specifying the language of the linked page.
> 
> BTW, my (crude!) macro:
> 
> \define enLink(label, url) $label$
> 
> an example of use (not too much of a hassle to write compared with 
> [[label|url]] indeed):
> 
> < "https://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-practices-1.1/;>>
> 
> (where it was shown I didn't need anything else for accessibility 
> requirements for the kind of links I used within my project)

The <$link> widget is only used for internal links, which I assume are not 
covered by the directive?. The usual [ext[link syntax]] or 
[[https://example.com/]] for external links generates an  tag, so the macro 
you’re using would be the recommended solution for a case like this.

Best wishes

Jeremy

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Re: [tw5] node.js on IIS?

[Jeremy Ruston]

It looks as though it might be a permissions problem, and so perhaps check 
whether the IIS user has access to the files in the C:\Users\me directory.

Best wishes

Jeremy

> On 18 Nov 2020, at 15:14, leeand00  wrote:
> 
> I've been following the tutorial at tiddlywiki.com on setting up tiddlywiki 
> on node.js through IIS 
> .
> 
> 
> I got through the entire tutorial but when I try to load the page I get an 
> error in the node.log__MMDDss.log:
> 
> fs.js:114
> throw err;
> ^
> 
> Error: EPERM: operation not permitted, lstat 'C:\Users\me'
> at Object.realpathSync (fs.js:1456:7)
> at toRealPath (internal/modules/cjs/loader.js:203:13)
> at Function.Module._findPath (internal/modules/cjs/loader.js:269:22)
> at Function.Module._resolveFilename 
> (internal/modules/cjs/loader.js:579:25)
> at Function.Module._load (internal/modules/cjs/loader.js:508:25)
> at Function.Module.runMain (internal/modules/cjs/loader.js:754:12)
> at startup (internal/bootstrap/node.js:283:19)
> at bootstrapNodeJSCore (internal/bootstrap/node.js:622:3)
> 
> I also get the following error message in my browser (eventually):
> 
> 
> I've gotten this to work in nginx before and if the node.js process craps out 
> you'll get a 502 Bad Gateway there as well
> 
> Any idea what could be wrong?  I myself think maybe it's an issue with the 
> node version I'm using on Windows (node v10.15.3, npm 6.9.0) or maybe NTFS 
> permissions.  
> 
> 
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[tw5] Tip: Removing "The" from titles in a sorted list

[Jeremy Ruston]

One of my personal TiddlyWiki’s contains song lyrics and chords, with the 
default tiddler displaying a list of the songs sorted by title. It’s been 
annoying for a long time that the titles starting “The …” are sorted under “T”, 
and not the first letter of the following word.

The new sortsub operator in v5.1.23 has provided a simple means to resolve 
things:

\define sort-filter() [removeprefix[the ]] 
~[removeprefix[The ]] ~[]

<$list filter="[tag[song]sortsub]" 
template="$:/_SongItemTemplate"/>

The subfilter relies on the fact that the removeprefix operator doesn’t return 
anything if the input string doesn’t start with the specified prefix. Thus we 
can step through the prefixes we want to remove, finishing up with the original 
title.

A more complete version should perhaps strip the prefix “A ”  as well.

It would be nicer if we have a case-insensitive version of removeprefix.

Best wishes

Jeremy

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Re: [tw5] Is there a way to create a tiddler using text that is stored in the clipboard?

[Jeremy Ruston]

On a device with a keyboard you can click on TiddlyWiki's page background and 
then use the keyboard shortcut for "paste". The $:/Import dialogue should open 
with the pasted item as a tiddler.

Best wishes

Jeremy.

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> On 9 Nov 2020, at 21:17, si  wrote:
> 
> 
> Say you have copied a paragraph of text and it is stored in your clipboard.
> 
> Is there a way to create a button in TiddlyWiki that will create a new 
> tiddler whose "text" field is populated with whatever was stored in your 
> clipboard?
> 
> I'm not expecting the answer to be yes but I thought I'd ask just in case. 
> Thanks in advance for your help.
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Re: [tw5] Tiddlywiki Empty: The size empty.html

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi TT

> On 7 Nov 2020, at 09:53, TiddlyTweeter  wrote:
> 
> 
> Right. I think a few tests showing the benefit of GZippery on this might help 
> show a larger core is not, in itself, a major issue for most use cases.

GZip is enabled for tiddlywiki.com , so an interesting 
test case is to look at https://tiddlywiki.com/upgrade.html 
; it’s the largest html file on 
tiddlywiki.com  because it includes a copy of every 
plugin/theme/language for upgrade purposes.

Using the “Network” tab of developer tools, the HTML file shows as taking 
16.5MB on disc, but only 4.3MB when it is transmitted by the server in its 
compressed form.

Best wishes

Jeremy.

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Re: [tw5] Tiddlywiki Empty: The size empty.html

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Mohammad

>  Many thanks for clarification! So, there are obstacles and limitations for 
> having a microkernel Tiddlywiki.

Just factors that hadn’t been discussed so far, it’s a good discussion.

I meant to add to my earlier reply that I do plan to do something similar for 
v5.2.x in that I’d like to move obsolete and deprecated components into an 
optional plugin. It won’t necessarily have a huge impact on the size of the 
core, but it will make it simpler and easier to understand.

Best wishes

Jeremy.


> 
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
> 
> On Friday, November 6, 2020 at 9:21:33 PM UTC+3:30 jeremy...@gmail.com 
>  wrote:
> The idea of stripping TiddlyWiki down to a microkernel and making everything 
> be a plugin comes up fairly frequently, and seems to be an idea with some 
> appeal.
> 
> One factor that hasn’t been mentioned so far is that the microkernel 
> architecture would make testing and support a good deal more complicated. 
> Core developers and plugin authors would have to test against all the common 
> combinations of core plugins. Every single support enquiry would have to be 
> prefaced by a discussion to find out exactly what combination of plugins the 
> user has.
> 
> Of course, to some extent we have this problem already because we already 
> have plugins. But right now the goal for the core is for it to contain not 
> the bare minimum possible functionality, but rather the functionality that 
> has the potential to be universally useful. That broader criteria means that 
> the core itself is sufficient for a lot of work with TiddlyWiki, making the 
> life of users and developers a lot easier. 
> 
> A consideration that has already been mentioned is whether it really matters 
> that the core gets big, especially now that we’re in a world where a simple 
> news story weighs 20MB. There are valid concerns about slow networks but the 
> best solution there is to set the server up with GZip compression because it 
> will benefit the content in the wiki too.
> 
> As to why TW5 is larger than TWC, it’s really just because TW5 has so much 
> more functionality beyond the basic user experience that both systems share.
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Jeremy.
> 
> 
>> On 5 Nov 2020, at 00:36, TW Tones > > wrote:
>> 
> 
>> Mark,
>> 
>> As I understand it this is already possible. External Javascript.
>> 
>> I also wonder if one could selectively remove code not used, however this 
>> would need an analysis process. And an exclusion on save, perhaps an 
>> alternate core plugin.
>> 
>> The dynamic range of application of tiddlywiki would possibly be enhanced 
>> with a lower size however in todays world we most often have sufficient 
>> overheads that reduction has less benefit than being comprehensive or self 
>> documented. 
>> 
>> Regards
>> Tony
>> 
>> On Thursday, 5 November 2020 08:12:12 UTC+11, Mark S. wrote:
>> If TW5 could be made to run like javascript, then you could separate the 
>> core from the working files. So you could have a local core library which 
>> all your tiddlywiki files could resource, without having to include them in 
>> every download/upload/save.
>> 
>> On Monday, November 2, 2020 at 11:00:21 PM UTC-8, Mohammad wrote:
>> Tiddlywiki is rapidly improving and you can see great features in the recent 
>> releases. 
>> From 2.1.17+ amazing features have been added to Tiddlywiki! One question is 
>> about the size of empty.html (the virgin Tiddlywiki). See the below table
>> 
>> Release   Size (kb)
>> 5.1.12   1820
>> 5.1.15   2025
>> 5.1.17   2033
>> 5.1.19   2153
>> 5.1.21   2235
>> 5.1.22   2197
>> 5.1.12   2282
>> 
>> While I love the new features, but, how big a virgin Tiddlywiki  can be? 
>> Assuming many users work with single file mode and using different 
>> Tiddlywiki for different purposes, I think we should set a maximum size, 
>> before going to have bigger empty.html
>> 
>> 
>> Suggestions
>> A. Use official plugins
>> 1. Keep the core as light as possible, go down to 1MB size (strip everything 
>> extra)
>> 2. Put extra features in official plugins
>> 
>> B. Start a new generation 
>> 1.Release TW 5.2 with minimum size core (include only essential part)
>> 2. Leave all backward compatibility to Tiddlywiki 5.1.xx
>> 3. Stop developing 5.1.xx and only release bug fixes
>> 
>> If Jeremy can go for a new generation of Tiddlywiki, I may also suggest
>> 1. Sweep the core from all duplicated codes and those retained backward 
>> compatibility and leave them for 5.1.xx
>> 2. Rethink about filters and implement using the more versatile approach, 
>> like those are going on in GitHub (e.g. Saq proposal for multi input filters)
>> 3. Use flexible switchable page layout
>> 4. Think for a cleaner scripting (remove all duplication, improved grammar, 
>> ... there is a lot of good discussions in the forum and GitHub)
>> 5. Think of a new name (re-branding)
>> 6. ...
>> 
>> I am sure people can suggest more here
>> 
>> 
>> Best wishes

Re: [tw5] Tiddlywiki Empty: The size empty.html

[Jeremy Ruston]

The idea of stripping TiddlyWiki down to a microkernel and making everything be 
a plugin comes up fairly frequently, and seems to be an idea with some appeal.

One factor that hasn’t been mentioned so far is that the microkernel 
architecture would make testing and support a good deal more complicated. Core 
developers and plugin authors would have to test against all the common 
combinations of core plugins. Every single support enquiry would have to be 
prefaced by a discussion to find out exactly what combination of plugins the 
user has.

Of course, to some extent we have this problem already because we already have 
plugins. But right now the goal for the core is for it to contain not the bare 
minimum possible functionality, but rather the functionality that has the 
potential to be universally useful. That broader criteria means that the core 
itself is sufficient for a lot of work with TiddlyWiki, making the life of 
users and developers a lot easier. 

A consideration that has already been mentioned is whether it really matters 
that the core gets big, especially now that we’re in a world where a simple 
news story weighs 20MB. There are valid concerns about slow networks but the 
best solution there is to set the server up with GZip compression because it 
will benefit the content in the wiki too.

As to why TW5 is larger than TWC, it’s really just because TW5 has so much more 
functionality beyond the basic user experience that both systems share.

Best wishes

Jeremy.

> On 5 Nov 2020, at 00:36, TW Tones  wrote:
> 
> Mark,
> 
> As I understand it this is already possible. External Javascript.
> 
> I also wonder if one could selectively remove code not used, however this 
> would need an analysis process. And an exclusion on save, perhaps an 
> alternate core plugin.
> 
> The dynamic range of application of tiddlywiki would possibly be enhanced 
> with a lower size however in todays world we most often have sufficient 
> overheads that reduction has less benefit than being comprehensive or self 
> documented. 
> 
> Regards
> Tony
> 
> On Thursday, 5 November 2020 08:12:12 UTC+11, Mark S. wrote:
> If TW5 could be made to run like javascript, then you could separate the core 
> from the working files. So you could have a local core library which all your 
> tiddlywiki files could resource, without having to include them in every 
> download/upload/save.
> 
> On Monday, November 2, 2020 at 11:00:21 PM UTC-8, Mohammad wrote:
> Tiddlywiki is rapidly improving and you can see great features in the recent 
> releases. 
> From 2.1.17+ amazing features have been added to Tiddlywiki! One question is 
> about the size of empty.html (the virgin Tiddlywiki). See the below table
> 
> Release   Size (kb)
> 5.1.12   1820
> 5.1.15   2025
> 5.1.17   2033
> 5.1.19   2153
> 5.1.21   2235
> 5.1.22   2197
> 5.1.12   2282
> 
> While I love the new features, but, how big a virgin Tiddlywiki  can be? 
> Assuming many users work with single file mode and using different Tiddlywiki 
> for different purposes, I think we should set a maximum size, before going to 
> have bigger empty.html
> 
> 
> Suggestions
> A. Use official plugins
> 1. Keep the core as light as possible, go down to 1MB size (strip everything 
> extra)
> 2. Put extra features in official plugins
> 
> B. Start a new generation 
> 1.Release TW 5.2 with minimum size core (include only essential part)
> 2. Leave all backward compatibility to Tiddlywiki 5.1.xx
> 3. Stop developing 5.1.xx and only release bug fixes
> 
> If Jeremy can go for a new generation of Tiddlywiki, I may also suggest
> 1. Sweep the core from all duplicated codes and those retained backward 
> compatibility and leave them for 5.1.xx
> 2. Rethink about filters and implement using the more versatile approach, 
> like those are going on in GitHub (e.g. Saq proposal for multi input filters)
> 3. Use flexible switchable page layout
> 4. Think for a cleaner scripting (remove all duplication, improved grammar, 
> ... there is a lot of good discussions in the forum and GitHub)
> 5. Think of a new name (re-branding)
> 6. ...
> 
> I am sure people can suggest more here
> 
> 
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
> 
> TW-Scripts  codes, macros, and 
> solutions in Tiddlywiki
> TW-Commander  bulk operations on 
> tiddlers
> TW-Trashbin  a Tiddlywiki trashbin tool
> TW-Favorites  a favorites and 
> bookmarking tool
> TW-Todolist  organize, prioritize, and 
> plan your work
> 
> https://github.com/kookma 
> 
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Re: [tw5] Does the search not work in prerelease link insertion?

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Bimlas

Thanks, that’s definitely a bug introduced with the recent changes to keyboard 
handling for search results. Please could you kindly open a ticket over on 
GitHub?

Many thanks,

Jeremy.


> On 25 Oct 2020, at 15:57, bimlas  wrote:
> 
> https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/ -> New tiddler -> Create wikitext link (in 
> toolbar) -> search for "HelloThere", it doesn't give me search results in 
> either Chrome or Firefox.
> 
> Related note: Keyboard selection in this popup would also be good if would be 
> available (when I last tried, I wasn’t able to select the title with the 
> keyboard).
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Re: [tw5] Competition for v5.1.23 artwork

[Jeremy Ruston]

I think that the numbers don't jump out clearly enough from Bimlas' artwork. A 
good test is to move away from the screen and squint ones eyes so that the 
artwork goes fuzzy; the digits should still be as legible as possible. Perhaps 
making the digits much bolder, and a more contrasting colour, would help.

Amusingly, the idea echoes the cover artwork of a book of mine in the 1980s:



http://www.computinghistory.org.uk/det/4087/The-BBC-Micro-Compendium/

It's a poor quality image but you may be able to see that I rearranged the key 
caps so that the top row spells "BY:J.RUSTON".

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> On 25 Oct 2020, at 12:31, Mat  wrote:
> 
> @bimlas, I love your contribution. Here's an idea: Instead of the Q key, use 
> a T to make it read TW... 
> 
> <:-)
> 
>> On Thursday, October 22, 2020 at 8:40:45 AM UTC+2 bimlas wrote:
>> Final version, forget the previous ones:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> bimlas a következőt írta (2020. október 21., szerda, 12:55:59 UTC+2):
>>> Another version:
>>> 
>>> 
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[tw5] Competition for v5.1.23 artwork

[Jeremy Ruston]

TiddlyWiki v5.1.23 is nearing release with many exciting updates; see 
https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease  to try it 
out. As usual, I’d like to hold a competition to design the banner image that 
is shown on the splash screen and within the opening HelloThere tiddler.

The rules for the competition are:

* The version number (with the correct punctuation) must be clear and readable 
even when the banner is shown at a reduced size
* The image must be a PNG, JPEG or SVG of exactly 560x315 pixels
* The bottom 46 pixels will be obscured by the banner text “What’s new in 
5.1.23” when it is displayed within HelloThere
* Feel free to enter an updated version of artwork that was a runner-up in a 
previous competition
* Reply to this message with your entry, or any questions

Here are the posts about previous artwork competitions:

v5.1.22 - https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/rYrja18_SfQ/m/JAklPfjfAwAJ 

v5.1.21 - https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/l47ZZzWdDb8/m/6s0p_3QeCgAJ 


Inspiration might come from some of the new features in v5.1.22, or perhaps 
reflect something of the uniqueness of this peculiar year. If you’ve got a 
great idea for the banner image, but don’t have the skills to produce finished 
artwork, do feel free to share your ideas in case another person would like to 
work on the artwork.

The competition will be open for a week, at which point if there is more than 
one submission I’ll set up a Google Form for voting.

Best wishes and many thanks,

Jeremy

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Re: [tw5] Tiddlywiki 5.1.23 when it will be released?

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Atro

Indeed, v5.1.23 is shaping up to be a very interesting release. Although I've 
been quiet on the group I've been working away on GitHub with the other 
contributors, and hope to do the release in the next week or two.

Shortly I'll post details of the banner artwork competition for v5.1.23. There 
are some outstanding pull requests that need attention too.

Best wishes

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> On 20 Oct 2020, at 07:43, Atronoush Parsi  wrote:
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> 
> TW 5.1.23pre has tons of new features, it is Oct 20, 2020
> Is there any chance to have this new release anytime soon?
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Re: [tw5] Re: April Mackenzie is looking for a place in Oxford (England)

[Jeremy Ruston]

Thanks Ste and TT. After recovering from the bad bit of COVID in June I've had 
a couple of minor relapses which suggest that I might have a degree of "long 
COVID". Definitely not as bad as some of the stories I have read, and I'm 
learning to manage it. I've been working away on Federatial client work and on 
TW5 (see https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/commits/master and associated 
GitHub threads). Most importantly, I was able to spend plenty of time over the 
summer with friends and family, making the most of the opportunity before 
things get difficult again.

As to moving to Oxford, I warmly encourage it! It's a glorious city that is 
functionally a suburb of London while being riddled with rivers and green 
spaces.

Best wishes

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> On 21 Sep 2020, at 19:52, Ste  wrote:
> 
> Speaking of "The Founder.' he's been uncharacterisicly quiet for a while or 
> have I just missed his replies? 
> You ok Jeremy? 
> 
> To answer April's question decent and cheap in Oxford is something of an 
> oxymoron :)
> 
>> On Monday, 21 September 2020 at 17:37:51 UTC+1 TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>> She writes me ...
>> 
>>> As I get older I'd like to live near The Founder for a while.
>>> TiddlyWiki is most interesting.
>>>  
>>> My third daughter, Felice, is a computer scientist. She encouraged me.
>>>  
>>> It would not be stalking JR, just honor.
>>>  
>>> Are there decent cheapish places in the area to lodge in? 
>>>  
>>>  Yours, as ever, April
>> 
>> Suggestions can be sent to me privately to forward to April.
>> TT 
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Re: [tw5] TiddlyWiki Gitea Saver issues

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Chris

I’ve committed a fix to the underlying problem with httpRequest():

https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/commit/a2796d89ab3dbf4a15b63b0f4623387fdc6acd5b

Let me know if it resolves the problem for you,

Best wishes

Jeremy

> On 17 Aug 2020, at 13:42, Chris Yarger  wrote:
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> I believe the key on the request header in the gitea saver is Content-Type 
> whereas the https.js required Content-type or vise versa
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Re: [tw5] sometimes there will be a draft of draft of a tiddler

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi TWTones

> This would be a wise improvement. However it is not necessarily dealing with 
> the cause.

It’s not clear how the draft of the draft was created; the system tries to 
prevent it (see below) but there’s no structural obstacle to a draft of a draft 
and so when custom code comes into play it’s perfectly possible to create one.

> Multiple drafts seem to come from the fact that many lists will show both the 
> draft of and the non draft tiddler.
> If an edit is done on the original tiddler while a draft tiddler already 
> exists multiple drafts can come into play.
That’s not correct, the system will reuse the existing draft. For example, on 
tiddlywiki.com:

1. Edit HelloThere and delete all the text and replace it with “Testing", but 
don’t click the tick to save it
2. Use the sidebar “Open” tab to close the draft tiddler
3. Use the search box to open HelloThere
4. Click the edit button
5. You’ll see the text “Testing”, showing that the same draft was reused.
> There is nothing to "protect" us from this occurring.
The navigator widget does in fact check for an existing draft when asked to 
edit a tiddler.

Best wishes

Jeremy

> It is not necessarily the full solution, however with help I recently came up 
> with the following code pattern to hide the non-draft title while a draft 
> title exists in a list.
> 
> \define hasdrafts() {{{ [list[$:/StoryList]get[draft.of]] }}} 
> 
> <$list 
> filter="[{$:/HistoryList}splitsplitbeforeremovesuffixreverse[]is[tiddler]limit[20]]">
> <$list filter="[all[current]] -[subfilter]">
> {{||$:/core/ui/Buttons/edit}} {{||$:/core/ui/Buttons/open-window}} 
> <$link/> <>
>  
> 
> This is done for the history list
> 
> I wonder if a filter that allows us to say something like !has[draft.of]] and 
> has[draft.of]] but works like my above solution
> Allow us to include or exclude tiddler titles for which there is a draft 
> somewhere/anywhere (not just the current title)
> eg "New Tiddler" is the title but there is/or is not a "Draft of 'New 
> Tiddler'" in the wiki.
> Perhaps an operator draft[] and !draft[] that tests both if the current title 
> begins "draft of" or a draft of for this tiddler exists anywhere.
> Many of the standard lists have this feature built in, but I am hoping we can 
> make this easier to implement, so user lists can implement this easily.
> 
> Regards
> TW Tones
> 
> On Thursday, August 6, 2020 at 7:09:24 PM UTC+10, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
> Hi yrosgi
> 
> The problem here is that deleting a draft also deletes the underlying 
> original tiddler. I've made a GitHub ticket to describe the issue here:
> 
> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/4792 
> <https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/4792>
> 
> This problem has been reported quite frequently so I'm keen to fix it for the 
> next version.
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Jeremy
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>> On 4 Aug 2020, at 13:53, yrosgi L > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> PS: because the last time I lost a tiddler(recover from git history 
>> finally), this time I choose to close the draft of the draft of something, 
>> and it will become to a draft of something, and then close it normally. 
>> Fixed.
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Re: [tw5] Re: sometimes there will be a draft of draft of a tiddler

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi yrosgi

The problem here is that deleting a draft also deletes the underlying original 
tiddler. I've made a GitHub ticket to describe the issue here:

https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/4792

This problem has been reported quite frequently so I'm keen to fix it for the 
next version.

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> On 4 Aug 2020, at 13:53, yrosgi L  wrote:
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> 
> PS: because the last time I lost a tiddler(recover from git history finally), 
> this time I choose to close the draft of the draft of something, and it will 
> become to a draft of something, and then close it normally. Fixed.
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Re: [tw5] Close the current window?

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Cunning stuff, but it also reminds me that the core should really be 
suppressing links to javascript: URIs. In this case, we should add a 
“tm-close-window” message of course.

Best wishes

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> On 21 Jul 2020, at 15:23, Saq Imtiaz  wrote:
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> Right! Thanks for correcting Eric, that's what I get for rushing.
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Re: [tw5] TiddlyWiki Hangout #108 with David Gifford

[Jeremy Ruston]

Thanks Birthe! Much appreciated, and charmingly put,

Best wishes

Jeremy.

> On 14 Jul 2020, at 18:57, Birthe C  wrote:
> 
> Thank you so much to Jeremy and David,
> 
> Tiddlywiki is of course wonderful, but some kind of users need help seeing 
> the beauty, and David has done a lot of work showing us.
> https://www.giffmex.org/twfortherestofus.html 
>  sure helped me starting with 
> TWclassic. The link collections and all the adaptations. So much more because 
> we translated a lot of it for use on the Danish Tiddlyspace.
> An upgrade killed Danish Tiddlyspace, and I felt "homeless". it was about the 
> time TW5 was in Beta, so I started trying that out. I am not sure I really 
> felt it compensated my feeling after loosing so many TWclassic wikis, but 
> then David started creating the TW5 mall, a tutorial and much more and well 
> it kept getting harder and harder to resist.
> I remember David send Jeremy an enormous amount of questions, and then got on 
> with the work of creating wikis to show us how it could be used.
> Testing was also part of it, just look back at this thread 
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tiddlywiki/PpJsdJr99n8/ilLnbPBRdvMJ 
>  
> Jeremy surprised as the rest of us : "Bravo to Dave for trying this out - I 
> feel the same pride as though I were watching someone drive a lorry over a 
> bridge that I had carefully constructed for a horse to use."
> That sentence is what I remember every time we discuss how big a tiddlywiki 
> can be? - how many tiddlers? and all that.
> 
> Stroll is great and yet again David is the one getting many new users into 
> using Tiddlywiki, Short time ago we even saw, that his son is using 
> Tiddlywiki too. 
> I always felt that family and friends were the most difficult to get into 
> using Tiddlywi.
> 
> Thank you David for all of the above, for Stroll and for being so well 
> prepared for the hangout.
> 
> Birthe
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Re: [tw5] New: SolarizedDark Palette for TW

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Adithya

The problem with the preview swatches in control panel is a bug. I’ve filed an 
issue here:

https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/4755 


If you’d like to submit the palette to the core we’ll need to avoid the 
attendant CSS: palettes in TW5 just consist of the palette tiddler.

Best wishes

Jeremy

> On 13 Jul 2020, at 13:43, Adithya B M  wrote:
> 
> I had some doubts:
> * How to make colours visible in the settings menu's pallette preview (look 
> for SolarizedDark in the pallette tab at 
> http://adithyab.tiddlyspot.com/#%24%3A%2FControlPanel)
> 
> Adithya
> 
> On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 5:58:15 PM UTC+5:30, Adithya B M wrote:
> I made adapted the SolarizedDark Palette for TW. Checkit here: 
> http://adithyab.tiddlyspot.com/ 
> It requres some css things to work properly 
> (http://adithyab.tiddlyspot.com/#adithyab%2Fcss 
> )
> 
> How to push this into the main TW repository? Should I fork and give a pull 
> request?
> 
> Please share your comments. 
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Re: [tw5] Setting up your own node.js LOCALplugin directory, the missing steps ??

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Mark

Plugins within the "plugins" subfolder of the wiki folder do not need to be 
listed in the tiddlywiki.info file.

Best wishes

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> On 28 Jun 2020, at 00:39, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> I'm trying to set up a local directory for my project on node.js.
> 
> According to the directions, I can:
> 
> Place the PluginFolders containing the plugins in a plugins folder within the 
> wiki folder
> 
> So my directory structure looks like:
> 
>   ~/Wikis/notowritey-n/plugins/MAS/NotoWritey/
> 
> Inside the NotoWritey directory I have several tiddlers and plugin.info, also 
> per the directions.
> Inside notowritey-n I have tiddlywiki.info, with a plugins section like this:
> 
> ...
> "plugins": [
> "tiddlywiki/tiddlyweb",
> "tiddlywiki/filesystem",
> "tiddlywiki/highlight",
> "MAS/NotoWritey"
> ],
> ...
> 
> I launch node.js from the /Wikis directory. When I do I get a "cannot find 
> MAS/NotoWritey" message.
> 
> My feeling is that there must be something I'm missing with the path 
> information. But I've tried providing the complete path inside of 
> tiddlywiki.info, and that didn't work either.
> 
> So, what do I have to do to get tiddlywiki to see my plugin folder (and 
> plugin, of course) ?
> 
> Thanks!
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Re: [tw5] Re: Tiddly Desktop bug

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi OGNSYA, Jake,

What operating system are you using?

To be clear, are you both experiencing the same problem: that double clicking 
the tray icon when TiddlyDesktop is running causes the wiki list to become 
corrupted?

Many thanks,

Jeremy

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> On 17 Jun 2020, at 15:52, OGNSYA  wrote:
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> 
> I got the same thing a few times before.
> 
> The way I've been avoiding it is to never try to open TD by double-clicking 
> the icon on the tray; Always right-click and select Wiki List
> 
> In mine I could remove that bugged out instance just by clicking Remove...
> 
> 
>> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 3:39:00 PM UTC+1, Jake wrote:
>> I accidently pushed an icon to launch TiddlyDesktop application while one 
>> TiddlyDesktop was already running. The application freezed. I closed it, but 
>> after that I got "that" (pic related). I still can open other wikis, but I 
>> can not remove this thing. I tried deleting TiddlyDesktop folder completeley 
>> and start it from a newly unzipped directory, but this thing remains. How to 
>> clean it?
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Re: [tw5] Tiddly Desktop bug

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Hi TW Tones

> On 21 Jun 2020, at 02:27, TW Tones  wrote:
> 
> I just experienced this my self, must be a new bug. 
> 
> However I went to the TiddlyDesktop backstage and found the error in the 
> WikiList tiddler. Deleting this to restore the shadow tiddler fixed it.
> 
> I have placed a full copy of the broken one should Jeremy want to debug it.


I don’t think this problem is related to Jake and OGNSYA’s problem.

The code you posted appears to be a much older version of the backstage tiddler 
WikiListRow. The simplest explanation is that with a previous version of 
TiddlyDesktop you explored the backstage wiki, and inadvertently made a copy of 
the shadow tiddler WikiListRow. That override will survive upgrades to new 
versions of TiddlyDesktop, but you’ll be stuck with the old version of 
WikiListRow.

Best wishes

Jeremy

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Re: [tw5] Safari does not render linked images

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Chris

I can confirm the problem. The same problem occurs with putting https://www.dropbox.com/s/3j94lvbwqubk0kn/IMG-20200605-WA0008.jpeg?dl=1"/> 
into a plain HTML tiddler, so I think this is a peculiarity of Dropbox and 
Safari, rather than TiddlyWiki.

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> On 17 Jun 2020, at 17:53, Chris Helm  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello all, 
> 
> I'm a relative newbie with Tiddlywiki and I'm struggling with the following 
> problem.  A search of this site and Google in general doesn't indicate that 
> it's been addressed already so could I ask for your help with it please?  
> 
> I'm using Tiddlyspot to host a TW5 file that publishes the results from a 
> continuing series of games that I've been playing solo during lockdown, with 
> the idea that a few, interested friends can follow the progress.  The 
> Tiddlywiki can be found here http://nyikancrisis.tiddlyspot.com.
> 
> To keep the footprint of the Tiddlywiki file as small as possible, I've 
> avoided embedding imagery in the file.  Instead I've linked the images from 
> my Dropbox account using this link syntax: 
> [img[https://www.dropbox.com/s/3j94lvbwqubk0kn/IMG-20200605-WA0008.jpeg?dl=1]]
> 
> Everything is working perfectly except that no one using Safari on any Apple 
> device can see the pictures, they simply don't render.  
> 
> One of my friends has suggested that this is to do with Safari and it's 
> 'Cross Origin Restrictions'.  I'm reading up on this at the moment (here's an 
> example 
> https://www.webdavsystem.com/ajax/programming/cross_origin_requests/).  If 
> I'm interpreting this correctly, it seems that I will have to insert some 
> Access Control headers into the Tiddlywiki file, which is well beyond my 
> skill level at the moment.
> 
> So my questions are these.  Has anyone in the group encountered this problem 
> before and, if so, identified a solution that works for TW5?  Am I in any way 
> on the right track to a solution?
> 
> I'd be grateful for any suggestions you may offer.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
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Re: [tw5] Re: Improvements to "GettingStarted"

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Riz

> The major question at this point is what is the algorithm for the "Help me 
> choose it" option.
> 
> I got only two steps till now 
> 
> Do you need cloud synchronization?
> - Yes : 
>   - Which of the following cloud services would you prefer? GitHub, Gitlab, 
> Dropbox, Google Drive
> - No: Go to next question
> 
> Do you need a dedicated app for saving tiddlywiki?
> - Yes: Show TiddlyDesktop
> - No: Show download saver
> 
> Any other questions and corresponding answers? 

Indeed, the tricky thing is phrasing questions that will be understandable to 
users who consider themselves ignorant of technology. For example, "cloud 
synchronization" would only make sense to someone reasonably tech savvy.

Some questions that we might usefully ask include:

* Do you want to be able to access your data from one more than one computer or 
phone/tablet?
* Do you want to keep your data private?
* Are you able to install applications on your computer or phone/tablet?

Best wishes

Jeremy

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Re: [tw5] Re: Personal News

[Jeremy Ruston]

Thanks again to everyone -- Donald, those details are very helpful, thank you. 
It's comforting to hear of the experiences of others.

My recovery is still very up and down, but I've had a good 36 hours, and 
feeling pretty positive that it's moving in the right direction. For many 
reasons, I feel very blessed, not least because the disease has not affected my 
lungs (confirmed by the x-ray last week) and so I've avoided the most painful 
symptoms, and have never felt in serious danger. I'm very fortunate to be in a 
comfortable situation and receiving all the care that I need.

I hope to start gently working again soon, probably starting with outstanding 
GitHub PRs and tickets.

Thank you again for all the good wishes,

Best wishes

Jeremy

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> On 2 Jun 2020, at 14:38, Donald Coates  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello Jeremy I am so sorry to hear this. Coming off a long night shift so 
> I'll post more if I think of it. Having worked in two hospitals hit hard 
> outside NYC I have seen firsthand and all too many times what this virus does.
> 
> We have too many healthcare workers who followed your course and you will be 
> glad to hear they are all back to work. Extreme exhaustion, extreme weight 
> loss, and lots of diffuse pain are a common complaint. The body seems to go 
> into a dangerous kind of overdrive metabolically and if you are one of the 
> critically ill then immunologically as well. Thankfully it seems you avoided 
> the latter.
> 
> The critically ill were all given consistent doses of Vit C, Vit D, Zinc, and 
> Thiamine (Vit B1). I take all of these preventative with the addition of NAC 
> or N-acetyl cysteine which can be acquired in pill form and is given to pts 
> in ARDS (a common complication of Covid). I would suggest these - hopefully 
> they are readily available for you.
> 
> For those having breathing issues we recommend, and if critically ill demand, 
> that patients lie prone for as long as they can. Obviously it is important 
> you use support to make sure you don't impede breathing. It can't hurt and I 
> would do it if I was in your situation though not for any extreme amount of 
> time but if you're lying in bed anyways then spend some time in that position.
> 
> Don't hesitate to practice deep diaphramatic breathing. It helps move the 
> crap the virus might be generating deep in your lungs out. There are of 
> course consideration for those around you as far as wearing a mask or 
> minimizing the spread of aerosals.
> 
> Good luck. At the end many colleagues reported a feeling of 'jumping out of 
> their skin' even feeling the need to exercise to burn off excess energy. Take 
> your time.
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Re: [tw5] Personal News

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Thanks Birthe that's very helpful,

Best wishes

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> On 29 May 2020, at 09:50, Birthe C  wrote:
> 
> 
> Jeremy,
> 
> Thank you for letting us know. Having to go to the hospital must sure have 
> been scary.
> It is important that you do not try to do too much or too fast. Covid19 is 
> tricky, but having to stay in bed for a prolonged period is always demanding. 
> I was hospitalised at 15 year old for 1 month. Due to lack of space placed in 
> the bathroom, I had high fever, and the window was large and the summer sun 
> shining directly at me - the boiling patient. What I wanted to explain is, I 
> literally had to learn to walk again. RunningHE HE...2 month after.
> I read this article, and it is more or less the same we are told in my 
> country. 
> https://www.healthline.com/health-news/what-to-do-after-recovering-from-covid-19
>  . Slowly, slowly - you will get there.
> Eat healthy, exercise a little to regain strength - and to have an appetite. 
> You WILL get there.
> 
> All the best wishes,
> 
> Birthe
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Re: [tw5] Personal News

[Jeremy Ruston]

Thank you again, reading these messages is a great comfort for me and my 
family. Things dipped a bit earlier this week and I ended up briefly in 
hospital. Happily they just did a bunch of tests and an x-ray, none of which 
showed the bad things that they feared, and so they sent me home again, and 
I've been stable since then. The main problem now is the exhaustion, which is 
actually a devastating nightmare remix of some of the individual symptoms of 
exhaustion, capricious and unintuitive. Now I'm reading other peoples 
coronavirus diaries and learning more about how to handle it -- I'd welcome any 
references you may have come across.

If things continue I could imagine in a week or two being able to do a little 
work each day, just keeping my fingers crossed, and not risking things by 
trying to do too much too early.

In the meantime, my thanks and best wishes to everyone,

Jeremy

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> On 27 May 2020, at 18:37, jwd  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hoping you are well on the way to being mended. Rest easy in the knowledge 
> that you have helped a vast number of heads to be big enough to hold 
> everything we need to remember.
> 
> Be well
> 
> Jonathan 
> 
>> On Friday, May 22, 2020 at 4:05:49 AM UTC-4, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>> Thank you again for all the messages. It now finally seems like things are 
>> slowly starting to improve. Mindful of the advice I've had here and 
>> elsewhere I'm staying in bed for the moment (and taking vitamin D, using an 
>> oximeter and drinking plenty of water). I've still got a fever, headache, 
>> and my brain feels like it's been lightly scrambled, but I'm thankful that 
>> this is evidently a pretty mild case, and hopefully I'll be back in action 
>> soon. 
>> 
>> Best wishes 
>> 
>> Jeremy. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [tw5] Personal News

[Jeremy Ruston]

Thank you again for all the messages. It now finally seems like things are 
slowly starting to improve. Mindful of the advice I've had here and elsewhere 
I'm staying in bed for the moment (and taking vitamin D, using an oximeter and 
drinking plenty of water). I've still got a fever, headache, and my brain feels 
like it's been lightly scrambled, but I'm thankful that this is evidently a 
pretty mild case, and hopefully I'll be back in action soon.

Best wishes

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Re: [tw5] Re: Personal News

[Jeremy Ruston]

Thank you all so much for all the good wishes, a great comfort and really 
appreciated by me and my family. The disease is moving along slowly and a 
little inscrutably, but I remain optimistic and thankful that I appear to have 
a mild dose.

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> On 19 May 2020, at 08:39, Rohrreiniger  wrote:
> 
> 
> Get well soon Jeremy Ruston!
> 
> 
> 
> Am Montag, 18. Mai 2020 10:59:36 UTC+2 schrieb Jeremy Ruston:
>> 
>> I should let you all know that I have somehow contracted Covid-19, despite 
>> being in careful lockdown for two months. I haven't been tested (this is the 
>> UK), but the symptoms have gradually become unmistakeable over the last week 
>> and a half. It's all tolerable at the moment, and I remain hopeful that this 
>> is a mild dose of the disease. My doctor says that I can be cautiously 
>> optimistic that I've had symptoms for so long without developing the really 
>> dangerous ones. I've been told unequivocally to rest, and so I'll likely be 
>> out of action for at least a few days. 
>> 
>> I'm very happy there's so much activity on the group just now, but naturally 
>> frustrated not to be able to keep up. Hopefully I'll be back soon, and in 
>> the meantime please take care of yourselves and each other, 
>> 
>> Best wishes 
>> 
>> Jeremy 
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[tw5] Personal News

[Jeremy Ruston]

I should let you all know that I have somehow contracted Covid-19, despite 
being in careful lockdown for two months. I haven't been tested (this is the 
UK), but the symptoms have gradually become unmistakeable over the last week 
and a half. It's all tolerable at the moment, and I remain hopeful that this is 
a mild dose of the disease. My doctor says that I can be cautiously optimistic 
that I've had symptoms for so long without developing the really dangerous 
ones. I've been told unequivocally to rest, and so I'll likely be out of action 
for at least a few days.

I'm very happy there's so much activity on the group just now, but naturally 
frustrated not to be able to keep up. Hopefully I'll be back soon, and in the 
meantime please take care of yourselves and each other,

Best wishes

Jeremy

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Re: [tw5] Show element when in viewport (on scroll)?

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Hubert

I’m afraid the dynaview plugin examples were out of date which made things 
difficult. It’s fixed now, and you can try it out on the prerelease:

https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Ftiddlywiki%2Fdynaview 


Here’s a minimal example of making a DIV invisible until it is scrolled into 
view:


<$reveal state="$:/state/lorem-visibility" type="nomatch" text="0" tag="div">
Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor 
incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis 
nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. 
Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu 
fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in 
culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum.



The dynaview plugin checks the DOM at frequent intervals for DOM nodes with the 
class tc-dynaview-track-tiddler-when-visible and the attribute 
data-dynaview-track-tiddler. For any that it finds, it updates the specified 
tiddler with the visibility state of the DIV (blank = not scrolled into view, 0 
= scrolled into view but subsequently scrolled out again, 1 = nearly in view 
and 2 = fully or partially in view).

As usual with TiddlyWiki, the current visibility state is kept in a tiddler. If 
you have many DIVs to handle then you’ll need to adopt an approach for 
generating unique state tiddler titles.

Best wishes

Jeremy.


> On 13 May 2020, at 13:11, Hubert  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I know that we have the Dynalist plugin but from what I've gathered it's 
> currently at the proof of concept stage of development. From studying its 
> documentation and code I can also see that it's very ambitious and that it 
> may take some time/effort to make it truly "deployable".
> 
> What I'm looking for is a fairly simple functionality whereby an element (a 
> div or even a portion of text within a tiddler, definitely not the entire 
> tiddler) could be hidden and only appear when scrolled into view (through JS 
> and CSS display:none > display:initial or something else).
> 
> Could this be accomplished by wrapping the content in a widget, either a new 
> standalone widget or perhaps an upgraded $reveal widget, that would detect 
> the vertical scroll position/viewport etc. and only reveal content when it's 
> visible?
> 
> I've already had a look at a similar solution here 
> 
>  but could not get it to work as a TW JavaScript widget yet.
> 
> I'm using the poor man's single tiddler view ;) (zoomin) with animation set 
> to 0 and have no interest in the other storyviews, though I understand that 
> there might be an issue getting this solution to work consistently across all 
> the storyviews.
> 
> I was wondering if anyone built something similar and would be willing to 
> share their approach?
> 
> Thank you,
> Hubert
> 
> 
> even through CSS ("display: none") based on it's class
> 
> 
> 
> Show element when in viewport on scroll 
> 
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Re: [tw5] How do I tell TW not to try to sync even though it's served over HTTP?

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Scott

It looks like the "tiddlywiki/tiddlyweb” plugin is included in the wiki. You 
can remove it from the tiddlywiki.info file.

Best wishes

Jeremy

> On 14 May 2020, at 17:23, Scott Sauyet  wrote:
> 
> I have a single-file, read-only, multi-tiddler Tiddlywiki that works great 
> when opened from the file system, but which gets a series of synchronization 
> errors when I try to view it over HTTP:
> 
> 
> syncer-browser-tiddlyweb - 14th May 2020 at 11:43am
> XMLHttpRequest  error code: 404
> 
> 
> syncer-browser-tiddlyweb - 14th May 2020 at 12:15pm (count: 33)
> Error retrieving skinny tiddler list: XMLHttpRequest 
>  error code: 404
> 
> 
> syncer-browser-tiddlyweb - 14th May 2020 at 12:16pm (count: 335)
> Sync error while processing save of '$:/StoryList 
> ': XMLHttpRequest 
>  error code: 405
> 
> 
> 
> This is static data generated from an application build process, and meant to 
> be the documentation for the (web) application.  So it needs to be served 
> over HTTP.  But I don't want it to think it's being served from TW/Node.
> 
> I'm guessing this is not a unique issue.  Is there some way to configure the 
> TW to not try to synchronize when it's served over HTTP?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
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Re: [tw5] Reviving TiddlyWiki Hangouts

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>> We’ve now got a great schedule for the next few weeks: 
>> Tobias Beer for the week of 1st June
> Have you been able to contact Tobias?

Yes, he's confirmed!

Best wishes

Jeremy

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Re: [tw5] Reviving TiddlyWiki Hangouts

[Jeremy Ruston]

Thanks to Saq, Julio and Sylvain for the nominations,

Best wishes

Jeremy

> On 12 May 2020, at 20:40, Anne-Laure Le Cunff  wrote:
> 
> Wonderful line up! Excited to learn how everyone uses TW.
> 
> On Tuesday, May 12, 2020 at 4:57:57 PM UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
> We’ve now got a great schedule for the next few weeks:
> 
> Dave Gifford for the week of 18th May
> Jed Carty for the week of 25th May
> Tobias Beer for the week of 1st June
> Rizwan Ishak for the week of 8th June
> Elise Springer for the week of 16th June
> 
> I should be able to confirm the following two or three Hangouts soon. Do 
> please keep nominations coming.
> 
> Feedback and questions are welcome — I’m learning as I go here, and keen to 
> make these shows as useful as possible for everybody.
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Jeremy
> 
>> On 12 May 2020, at 16:20, Anne-Laure Le Cunff gmail.com 
>> <http://gmail.com/>> wrote:
>> 
>> I was going to suggest David Gifford but he's the next guest — very excited 
>> about this one! Mohammad would be great too, he always is so helpful and has 
>> lots of interesting hacks.
>> 
>> On Tuesday, May 12, 2020 at 3:41:58 PM UTC+1, PMario wrote:
>> +1
>> -m
>> 
>> On Tuesday, May 12, 2020 at 2:52:56 PM UTC+2, Dragon Cotterill wrote:
>> I know that I'm late to the nomination party, but I'd really like to hear 
>> the point of views of people who remain "faithful" to TWC. My nomination 
>> would have to be Yakov and his continuing superb work in that area.
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Re: [tw5] Reviving TiddlyWiki Hangouts

[Jeremy Ruston]

We’ve now got a great schedule for the next few weeks:

Dave Gifford for the week of 18th May
Jed Carty for the week of 25th May
Tobias Beer for the week of 1st June
Rizwan Ishak for the week of 8th June
Elise Springer for the week of 16th June

I should be able to confirm the following two or three Hangouts soon. Do please 
keep nominations coming.

Feedback and questions are welcome — I’m learning as I go here, and keen to 
make these shows as useful as possible for everybody.

Best wishes

Jeremy

> On 12 May 2020, at 16:20, Anne-Laure Le Cunff  wrote:
> 
> I was going to suggest David Gifford but he's the next guest — very excited 
> about this one! Mohammad would be great too, he always is so helpful and has 
> lots of interesting hacks.
> 
> On Tuesday, May 12, 2020 at 3:41:58 PM UTC+1, PMario wrote:
> +1
> -m
> 
> On Tuesday, May 12, 2020 at 2:52:56 PM UTC+2, Dragon Cotterill wrote:
> I know that I'm late to the nomination party, but I'd really like to hear the 
> point of views of people who remain "faithful" to TWC. My nomination would 
> have to be Yakov and his continuing superb work in that area.
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Re: [tw5] Reviving TiddlyWiki Hangouts

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Thanks Dragon, Mario, I’ve dropped Yakov a line,

Best wishes

Jeremy

> On 12 May 2020, at 15:41, PMario  wrote:
> 
> +1
> -m
> 
> On Tuesday, May 12, 2020 at 2:52:56 PM UTC+2, Dragon Cotterill wrote:
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[tw5] TiddlyWiki Hangout #106 with Anne-Laure Le Cunff

[Jeremy Ruston]

TiddlyWiki Hangout #106 is now available to watch on YouTube, with my guest 
Anne-Laure Le Cunff showing the workflow for publishing her digital garden from 
TiddlyWiki to mentalnodes.com:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuU3MrxdKcU

Many thanks to Anne-Laure! Next week I’ll be joining Dave Gifford for a tour 
through his recent creations,

Best wishes

Jeremy.

p.s. Apologies for the blurriness of the video, entirely my production mistake, 
hopefully I’ve now figured it out for next weeks recording

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Re: [tw5] SVG to PNG for Favicons

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Tony

Modern browsers apart from Safari now directly support SVG favicons. I’ve 
updated the prerelease with a tweak so that SVG favicons can be used in TW5. 
Just rename the SVG image to $:/favicon.ico

https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/commit/bf6735420d2f8191f658c556910e7d73c681d5fe

You can try it out on the prerelease:

https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease

Best wishes

Jeremy.

> On 10 May 2020, at 11:48, TiddlyTweeter  wrote:
> 
> Tech note: conversion of vector to bitmap can be a PITA. The formats are 
> totally different and Segway between them involves tricks.
> 
> SCREEN CLIP of showing SVG to PNG is likely easiest as its already bit-ised.
> 
> TT
> 
> On Sunday, 10 May 2020 12:09:01 UTC+2, TonyM wrote:
> Folks,
> 
> I have a wonderful library of icons in svg tiddlers, however when I create a 
> new wiki I like to set the favicon so its east to recognise in a Browser tab, 
> which often pin in the browser.
> 
> Dose anyone know of a way to convert an SVG tiddler, or is "code" to a png of 
> the same size, ideal with a copy and paste?
> 
> Ideally it would be nice to do this in wiki where I have a large library but 
> anywhere would be fine. There are plenty of tools out there that will convert 
> svg files, But as a rule I have them in tiddler format instead.
> 
> ANother way maybe if I could export an svg tiddler as an svg file, then 
> convert that. But I do not know what it would take to do this.
> 
> Thanks for any guidence
> 
> Regards
> tony
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Re: [tw5] Building static sites in the browser

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I’ve just pushed an update that adds a new “slugify” operator to transform 
arbitrary tiddler titles into human readable form for use in filenames or URLs. 
The transformations applied are:
If there is a tiddler with the same title that has a ''slug'' field, then 
return that field instead of running the following steps
Replace uppercase letters with lowercase equivalents
Transliterate diacritics to their basic lowercase ASCII equivalents (for 
example, "Æ" is transliterated to "AE")
Replace spaces with dashes
Remove all non-word characters except dashes and periods
Replace multiple sequential dashes with a single dash
Trim dashes from start and end
If the result is the empty string then character codes are used instead (eg. 
"&£@" transforms to "38-163-64")
There is also a new duplicateslugs operator to detect when multiple tiddlers 
resolve to the same slug.

I’ve also updated the JSZip example to use the slugify operator.

You can try out the update at https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease

Best wishes

Jeremy.

> On 9 May 2020, at 15:41, Mohammad Rahmani  wrote:
> 
> Hi Saq,
> 
>  I got it! A million thanks!
> 
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
> 
> 
> On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 7:08 PM Saq Imtiaz  > wrote:
> @Mohammad if the filter returns a path with an "/" in the file name, you 
> create a directory structure. The filter I gave is just an example and users 
> should customize according to their use case.
> 
> Also if you can add a link back to the tiddler on TW scripts that would be 
> very helpful.
> Regards,
> 
> Saq
> 
> On Saturday, May 9, 2020 at 4:28:00 PM UTC+2, Mohammad wrote:
> Many thanks Saq, Briliant!
> 
>  This is really good! I will add this to TW-Scripts!
>   I just missed the part you explained on storing tiddlers in different 
> folders!
> 
> --Mohammad
> 
> On Saturday, May 9, 2020 at 5:05:59 PM UTC+4:30, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
> In summary, if anyone wants to write a guide, to adjust filenames and links 
> (for single file wikis) I recommend this process as per my current 
> understanding:
> create a tiddler called $:/config/static/export-link-filter and place here 
> the filter that will operate on the tiddler title to transform it as you 
> like, this filter will receive the tiddler title as input. For example:
> [split[ ]join[-]encodeuricomponent[]addsuffix[.html]]
> 
> use this filter in the code for your export button:
> 
> \define actions-render-static-site()
> <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-zip-create" $param="$:/temp/_ZipTiddler"/>
> <$list filter="[all[tiddlers]!is[system]limit[100]]">
> <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-zip-render-file" 
> $param="$:/temp/_ZipTiddler" filename={{{ 
> [subfilter{$:/config/static/export-link-filter}] }}} 
> tiddler=<> template="$:/core/templates/static.tiddler.html"/>
> 
> <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-zip-render-file" 
> $param="$:/temp/_ZipTiddler" filename="static.css" 
> template="$:/core/templates/static.template.css"/>
> <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-zip-download" $param="$:/temp/_ZipTiddler" 
> filename="myzip.zip"/>
> \end
> 
> <$button actions=<>>
> Render site
> 
> 
> 
> 3. Create a tiddler called $:/config/static/tv-filter-export-link, with the 
> tag $:/tags/Macro and the content:
> \define tv-filter-export-link() 
> [subfilter{$:/config/static/export-link-filter}]
> 
> This is the same process as what I outlined earlier except, you write the 
> filter once and refer to it in both places, reducing the chances of error.
> 
> Hope this helps,
> Saq
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Re: [tw5] Reviving TiddlyWiki Hangouts

[Jeremy Ruston]

Thank you for all the nominations. Everyone mentioned would make a fantastic 
guest, and I hope they’ll agree to take part — and I’m sure there are many 
others too.

I’m sure you will all be pleased to learn Anne-Laure has kindly agreed to be 
our guest on hangout #106 next week. I’ll send invitations to the other 
nominees shortly and try to figure out a timetable for the next few weeks.

Best wishes

Jeremy.

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Re: [tw5] Examples of TiddlyWiki static websites

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Anne-Laure

I’ve got a couple more:

https://jermolene.com/ my blog (rarely updated)
https://federatial.com/ my consultancy website (also rarely updated)

They are built from wikis on https://xememex.com: 
https://xememex.com/jermolene/  and 
https://xememex.com/federatial/ 

Best wishes

Jeremy


> On 6 May 2020, at 19:08, Anne-Laure Le Cunff  wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> I'm looking for examples of websites built with TW - if you have one or know 
> of one, could you share below?
> 
> Examples I have so far:
> tacticaltypos.net  by Brandon Hall
> richardsmith.neocities.org 
>  by Richard Smith
> articulos.giffmex.org  by Dave Gifford
> cwdaniels.github.io  by Wess Daniels
> mentanodes.com  by yours truly
> Any others?
> 
> Thanks!
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Re: [tw5] Reviving TiddlyWiki Hangouts

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Hi Birthe

> On 5 May 2020, at 02:46, Birthe C  wrote:
> 
> Please may I ask: Try not to speak too fast. I had the subtitles on and that 
> did help some but not quite enough


Very good point, I’m keen to make the videos accessible to as wide an audience 
as possible. YouTube generates subtitles automatically but they are not 
super-accurate.  As an experiment, I’ve turned on an option labelled “community 
subtitles” for the latest hangout, I believe it enables contributions to the 
subtitles:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvnqgfvohfM

Best wishes

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Re: [tw5] Freelinks

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Hi Sylvain

> I was going to propose to update the readme to indicate that Freelinks wasn't 
> totally case sensitive anymore, but in fact yes?
> 
> If I enable the option, and have a "Plop" tiddler, and in another if I write 
> "plop" and "Plop", both will have a freelink, OK that's the option. But 
> "plop" leads to a missing tiddler. Which isn't quite the same as ignoring 
> case (where then I didn't get it).
> 
> If the option could be an option on the first uppercase letter, that would be 
> fine for me :)

Apologies, my mistake. Now fixed here:

https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/commit/c9692d7a508cfdb0446e67061201961dca64d8dd

The update will be available on https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease in 5 minutes 
or so,

Best wishes

Jeremy

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[tw5] Reviving TiddlyWiki Hangouts

[Jeremy Ruston]

I’m tentatively reviving TiddlyWiki Hangouts with a new weekly series of 
pre-recorded conversations with invited guests. The format is an extended 
screencast with talking heads in the corner, and the intention is to illuminate 
how people use and personalise TiddlyWiki.

Saq Imtiaz and I made the first recording this morning, which I’ll publish 
shortly in a separate thread. The purpose of this thread is to ask for 
nominations of guests you’d like to see featured. They don’t need to be a 
developer, just somebody who might have something interesting to show and talk 
about.

Feel free to nominate people here, or to drop me a personal email at jeremy 
(dot) ruston (at) gmail (got) com. Any other comments or suggestions to improve 
the hangouts are most welcome.

Best wishes

Jeremy.

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Re: [tw5] Building static sites in the browser

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Anne-Laure

> Wow, this is amazing! Thanks so much, Jeremy. Very useful and much easier for 
> less technical users.

Thanks! It’s entirely thanks to your interest in static site generation that 
there has been this revival that prompted me to put this together.

Best wishes

Jeremy

> 
> On Sunday, May 3, 2020 at 5:21:11 AM UTC+1, Mohammad wrote:
> Hi Jeremy,
>  This is really amazing and this way one can publish small website, blogs, ...
>   Thank you a million!
> 
>   Few comments:
>1. The tiddler contains nasty characters in their titles like (space /\;  
> ) results in uggly filename! Like --render the message tm-zip-render-file can 
> have a filename-filter to avoid this.
>2. If commend 1 is implemented then we need a variable to let correct the 
> links of tiddlers their filename corrected as step 1 above
> 
> I see alto of potential here and this plugin can be simple and powerful tool 
> for publishing not only static pages but also epub and like that
> 
> 
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sunday, May 3, 2020 at 1:06:01 AM UTC+4:30, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
> A disadvantage for some users of TiddlyWiki’s static site generation 
> capabilities is the requirement to use Node.js. I’m therefore pleased to 
> announce an update to the JSZip plugin that makes it practical to render 
> medium sized static sites in the browser, without needing to use Node.js.
> 
> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/commit/6a0ff7db1807f45b73061ced82f5a85f1a529bbf
>  
> <https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/commit/6a0ff7db1807f45b73061ced82f5a85f1a529bbf>
> 
> The updated plugin adds a handful of messages that can be used in the browser 
> to:
> 
> * create a blank ZIP file as a tiddler of type "application/zip”
> * add text files to a ZIP tiddler
> * download a ZIP tiddler as a .zip file
> 
> To try it out, visit the prerelease and review the docs:
> 
> https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Ftiddlywiki%2Fjszip 
> <https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/#$:/plugins/tiddlywiki/jszip>
> 
> The complete code to save a static site looks like this:
> 
> \define actions-render-static-site()
> <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-zip-create" $param="$:/temp/_ZipTiddler"/>
> <$list filter="[all[tiddlers]!is[system]limit[100]]">
> <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-zip-render-file" 
> $param="$:/temp/_ZipTiddler" filename={{{ 
> [encodeuricomponent[]addsuffix[.html]] }}} 
> tiddler=<> template="$:/core/templates/static.tiddler.html"/>
> 
> <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-zip-render-file" 
> $param="$:/temp/_ZipTiddler" filename="static.css" 
> template="$:/core/templates/static.template.css"/>
> <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-zip-download" $param="$:/temp/_ZipTiddler" 
> filename="myzip.zip"/>
> \end
> 
> <$button actions=<>>
> Render site
> 
> 
> Performance is a bit sluggish with large zip files (>2MB on my desktop 
> machine) but otherwise it seems to work well. I’ve got an idea for improving 
> performance that I’ll work on if I have time.
> 
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> 
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> 
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Re: [tw5] Building static sites in the browser

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Mohammad

>1. The tiddler contains nasty characters in their titles like (space /\;  
> ) results in uggly filename! Like --render the message tm-zip-render-file can 
> have a filename-filter to avoid this.

Just like under Node.js, we’re currently “uri encoding” the tiddler titles. 
It’s a simple way to guarantee that we don’t generate illegal filenames.

With tm-zip-render-file one can use a filtered attribute to apply this 
processing as in the examples:

<$action-sendmessage $message="tm-zip-render-file" $param="$:/temp/_ZipTiddler" 
filename={{{ [encodeuricomponent[]addsuffix[.html]] }}} 
tiddler=<> template="$:/core/templates/static.tiddler.html"/>

>2. If commend 1 is implemented then we need a variable to let correct the 
> links of tiddlers their filename corrected as step 1 above

The static templates already include a definition of tv-wikilink-template that 
allows manipulation of the generated tiddler links.

> I see alto of potential here and this plugin can be simple and powerful tool 
> for publishing not only static pages but also epub and like that

Great, it’s something I’ve been meaning to do for a few years.

Best wishes

Jeremy

> 
> 
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sunday, May 3, 2020 at 1:06:01 AM UTC+4:30, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
> A disadvantage for some users of TiddlyWiki’s static site generation 
> capabilities is the requirement to use Node.js. I’m therefore pleased to 
> announce an update to the JSZip plugin that makes it practical to render 
> medium sized static sites in the browser, without needing to use Node.js.
> 
> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/commit/6a0ff7db1807f45b73061ced82f5a85f1a529bbf
>  
> <https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/commit/6a0ff7db1807f45b73061ced82f5a85f1a529bbf>
> 
> The updated plugin adds a handful of messages that can be used in the browser 
> to:
> 
> * create a blank ZIP file as a tiddler of type "application/zip”
> * add text files to a ZIP tiddler
> * download a ZIP tiddler as a .zip file
> 
> To try it out, visit the prerelease and review the docs:
> 
> https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Ftiddlywiki%2Fjszip 
> <https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/#$:/plugins/tiddlywiki/jszip>
> 
> The complete code to save a static site looks like this:
> 
> \define actions-render-static-site()
> <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-zip-create" $param="$:/temp/_ZipTiddler"/>
> <$list filter="[all[tiddlers]!is[system]limit[100]]">
> <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-zip-render-file" 
> $param="$:/temp/_ZipTiddler" filename={{{ 
> [encodeuricomponent[]addsuffix[.html]] }}} 
> tiddler=<> template="$:/core/templates/static.tiddler.html"/>
> 
> <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-zip-render-file" 
> $param="$:/temp/_ZipTiddler" filename="static.css" 
> template="$:/core/templates/static.template.css"/>
> <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-zip-download" $param="$:/temp/_ZipTiddler" 
> filename="myzip.zip"/>
> \end
> 
> <$button actions=<>>
> Render site
> 
> 
> Performance is a bit sluggish with large zip files (>2MB on my desktop 
> machine) but otherwise it seems to work well. I’ve got an idea for improving 
> performance that I’ll work on if I have time.
> 
> Questions and comments welcome.
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Jeremy
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