On Being-- can it be part of a proof ?

2012-12-27 Thread Roger Clough
ht was unknown in Germany. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/27/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Roger Clough Receiver: everything-list,- mindbr...@yahoogroups.com Time: 2012-12-26, 1

Three things that one cannot prove or disprove

2012-12-26 Thread Roger Clough
Three things that one cannot prove or disprove 1. That God exists or does not exist. 2. That I exist or do not exist. 3. That computers can be conscious or not. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/26/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Alle

Pragmatic truth and arithmetic truth

2012-12-26 Thread Roger Clough
. -- - Have received the following content - Sender: Roger Clough Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-26, 16:32:28 Subject: Pragmatic truth and the solipsism issue Hi It seems that we cannot prove by ordinary definitions of truth that other minds exist (the

Pragmatic truth and the solipsism issue

2012-12-26 Thread Roger Clough
produced in 3p by perception is the truth of 1p. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/26/2012 "The one thing a woman looks for in a man is to be needed." - "Ethan Frome", by Edith Wharton -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Grou

Re: Re: Ten top-of-my-head arguments against multiverses

2012-12-26 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Bruno Marchal By that I meant that what is theoretically true does not mean that it will happen as theorized. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/26/2012 "The one thing a woman looks for in a man is to be needed." - "Ethan Frome", by Edith Wharton - Rec

Re: Re: Re: Ten top-of-my-head arguments against multiverses

2012-12-26 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Platonist Guitar Cowboy Pragmatism is does not provide truth in, say a Platonic or Aristotelian sense. It only provides truth as pragmatists define truth: namely that if A causes B, B is the truth of A. This is the same as scientific truth or experimental truth. [Roger Clough], [rclo

Re: Re: Re: Fw: the world as mathematical. was pythagoras right after all ?

2012-12-26 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Richard Ruquist String theory is a physical theory, yes, but it itself is not physical. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/26/2012 "The one thing a woman looks for in a man is to be needed." - "Ethan Frome", by Edith Wharton - Receiving the following content

Re: Re: why greed is good.

2012-12-26 Thread Roger Clough
-interest. Enlightened in the sense that the transaction will not backfire on you. The understanding s that everybody profits if the transaction is for their own interest. They get the goods, you get the money. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/26/2012 "The one thing a woman looks f

Re: Re: How visual images are produced in the brain. Was Dennettrightafter all ?

2012-12-26 Thread Roger Clough
ction. 2 the result or product of the act of perceiving. Kinds of perception include depth perception, extrasensory perception, facial perception, and stereognostic perception. perceptive, perceptual, adj. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/26/2012 "The one thing a woman looks for i

Comp is true when Thirdness = Firstness

2012-12-26 Thread Roger Clough
Hi 1p = Firstness (an experience) 3p = Thirdness (the expression of that experience) Comp works when 3p = 1p, ie when Thirdness= Firstness. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/26/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen -- You received th

On the truth of comp -->Fw: 1p= pragmatic or experiential truth vs 3p = truth by calculation

2012-12-26 Thread Roger Clough
Note that 1p = contingent truth 3p = necessary truth So the question of whether comp is true or not is whether or when or where 1p = 3p - Have received the following content - Sender: Roger Clough Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-26, 11:26:27 Subject: 1p= pragmatic or

1p= pragmatic or experiential truth vs 3p = truth by calculation

2012-12-26 Thread Roger Clough
Hi everything-list IMHO that comp iis true or not is equalvalent to the question does 1p = 3p ? where 1p= truth by experience (or actuality) and 3p = truth by description (by theory) [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/26/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near th

Re: Re: Ten top-of-my-head arguments against multiverses

2012-12-26 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Bruno Marchal It all boils down to this: is something that is mathematically true necessarily physically true ? This question can be restated as "are mathematical truth and pragmatic truth the same ?" IMHO No, because theory can be wrong but what works works. [Roger Clou

Re: Re: How visual images are produced in the brain. Was Dennettrightafter all ?

2012-12-26 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Bruno Marchal OK, I was over-reacting. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/26/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-26, 05:14:59 Subjec

Re: Re: Ten top-of-my-head arguments against multiverses

2012-12-26 Thread Roger Clough
rent worlds not being all the same, evolution would not occur in parallel. 9) Besides, there are alternate possibilities for a quantum wave collapse. 10) In a related matter, one of the multiverse sites cited William James as a proponent. Because of his pragmatism, his multiverses arise becaus

Fw: Re: Re: Against Mechanism

2012-12-26 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Jason, I should have that if those two people can shake hands, they cannot be identical. - Have received the following content - Sender: Roger Clough Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-26, 08:27:06 Subject: Re: Re: Against Mechanism Hi Jason Resch There is and cannot be

Re: Re: Re: Re: Against Mechanism

2012-12-26 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Jason Resch Could those two people see and talk to one another ? Could they shake hands ? Then their memories of that event would be different. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/26/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the

Re: Re: Against Mechanism

2012-12-26 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Jason Resch There is and cannot be two identical uploaded minds unless you are me. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/26/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Jason Resch Receiver: every

Re: Re: Fw: the world as mathematical. was pythagoras right after all ?

2012-12-25 Thread Roger Clough
Hi meekerdb My description turns out to be essentially the same as Tegmark's, namely that the world is mathematical at base. Google that name to see. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/25/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen

why greed is good.

2012-12-25 Thread Roger Clough
Hi meekerdb Some economists argue that the wealthy invest their money, creating capital for creating businesses, hiring workers, and generally enriching the economy. (The poor don't save money for others to use.) So greed is good for the country. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net

Ten top-of-my-head arguments against multiverses

2012-12-25 Thread Roger Clough
elated matter, one of the multiverse sites cited William James as a proponent. Because of his pragmatism, his multiverses arise because there is no fixed general in pragmatism for each particular. There are as many generals (additional universes) as you can think of. These obviously would not be

Re: Re: Fw: the world as mathematical. was pythagoras right after all ?

2012-12-25 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Richard Ruquist Read what I said below again. I never said that the quantum world is physical, quite the reverse. Not to worry, I have made similar mistakes, especially my inverted interpretation of the gini index. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/25/2012 "Forever is a long

Re: Re: Re: clearing up the confusion on the fairness index

2012-12-25 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Richard Ruquist >From what you say, also interesting is that democrats--those folks who hate the rich--have made the rich richer. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/25/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the foll

Why consciousness/life/intelligence is not and cannot be physical

2012-12-25 Thread Roger Clough
poken of as the Tao is not the tao"). [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/25/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Jason Resch Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-24, 11:20:22 Subject

Re: Re: Re: Against Mechanism

2012-12-25 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Jason Resch Not in my opinion, but that's just my opinion. The reason being that I am a Leibnizian, and to him everybody must be different (have an individual monad= soul = identity= memory, etc. etc. etc. ). [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/25/2012 "Forever is a

Re: Re: Arithmetic as true constructions of a fictional leggo set

2012-12-25 Thread Roger Clough
On 24 Dec 2012, at 15:35, Roger Clough wrote: ROGER: Hi Bruno Marchal It helps me if I can understand arithmetic as true constructions of a fictional leggo set. BRUNO: Why fictional? Immaterial OK, but ffictional? ROGER: Sorry, fictional was the wrong word, it just came to mind

Fw: the world as mathematical. was pythagoras right after all ?

2012-12-24 Thread Roger Clough
quantum form). [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/24/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Roger Clough Receiver: everything-list

Re: Re: More on reconstruction from brain activity

2012-12-24 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Telmo Menezes This is truly amazing wizardry. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/24/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Telmo Menezes Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-22

Re: Re: How visual images are produced in the brain. Was Dennett rightafter all ?

2012-12-24 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Telmo Menezes Consciousness does not emerge from anything. It is simply the act of perception. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/24/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Telmo Menezes

Flies and ultimate reality

2012-12-24 Thread Roger Clough
from our perspective, and with some distortions. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/24/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Stephen P. King Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-22, 12:59:

Re: Re: How visual images are produced in the brain. Was Dennett rightafter all ?

2012-12-24 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Jason Resch Consciousness or perception is simply 1p. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/24/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Jason Resch Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-22

Re: Re: How visual images are produced in the brain. Was Dennett rightafter all ?

2012-12-24 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Jason Resch I would define consciousness as perception, either internal or external, by any of the senses. So it is an activity, a verb, not a thing or noun. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/24/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -W

Re: Re: Against Mechanism

2012-12-24 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Jason Resch Since 1p has the property of perspective, and no two people can be at the same place at the same time, 3p has multiple perspectives. That is the only multiworld theory that I can believe in. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/24/2012 "Forever is a long

Re: Re: Dennett and others on qualia

2012-12-24 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Bruno Marchal No doubt you are right, except that the brain is physical, while, as I understand it, a UTM is mental. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/24/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content --

Arithmetic as true constructions of a fictional leggo set

2012-12-24 Thread Roger Clough
n absurd idea. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/24/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-23, 09:17:09 Subject: Re: Can the physical b

the cult and the gospel

2012-12-23 Thread Roger Clough
Hi It's time somebody said it. Materialism is a cult and atheism is its gospel. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/23/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Grou

Re: Re: How visual images are produced in the brain. Was Dennett rightafter all ?

2012-12-23 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Jason Resch You're right. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/23/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Jason Resch Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-22, 14:16:52 Subject: Re: Ho

Time travel and eternal life

2012-12-23 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Bruno Marchal and all, Do you not realize that 1p far enough into the past (presumably accessible to time travel), where your parents and past friends are still alive, is a form of eternal life ? [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/23/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially nea

Re: Re: Can the physical brain possibly store our memories ? No.

2012-12-22 Thread Roger Clough
that estimate would not include a noise or entropy limitation. I imagine that this has been estimated, but not sure. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/22/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Ma

Re: Re: Can the physical brain possibly store our memories ? No.

2012-12-22 Thread Roger Clough
rhaps looking for one with limits. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/22/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-21, 13:25:36 Subject: Re: Can the

Definition of a liberal

2012-12-21 Thread Roger Clough
Definition of a liberal A liberal is a person who fears that somehow, somewhere, somebody has secretly figured out a way to do something on their own. A liberal is a person who believes that you need a blueprint to tie your shoes. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/21/2012

Re: Re: The pro-life paradox

2012-12-21 Thread Roger Clough
for me to judge, it wouldn't matter anyway. That's up to God, IMHO. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/21/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Tim

Re: Re: On the need for perspective and relations in modelling the mind

2012-12-21 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Bruno Marchal I am suggestings that such quandries be resolved on multiple levels in the same universe, not multiple universes. Occam's Razor. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/21/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receivin

Definition of a liberal

2012-12-21 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Stephen P. King A liberal is a person who fears that somehow, somewhere, somebody has secretly figured out a way to do something on their own. A liberal is a person who believes that you need a blueprint to tie your shoes. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/21/2012 "Fo

How do 1p and 3p apply to monads ?

2012-12-21 Thread Roger Clough
mation in each level would be sorted out into the three corresponding levels in the hypothetical homunculus always given in the monad. Some monads (of rocks) would contain only the physical level, others (of vegetables, animals) the physical + feeling levels, others (men) physica + feelking +

More on reconstruction from brain activity

2012-12-21 Thread Roger Clough
modelling at U MD in Baltimore, I suspect that he might be into such stuff. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/21/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Telmo Menezes Receiver: everything-list Tim

Re: Retransmit. How visual images are produced in the brain. Was Dennett right after all ?

2012-12-21 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Telmo, My error. The method of displaying the optical signal as given below wouldn't work, because there'd be no sync signals on the optical signal to trigger the playback scan. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/21/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near t

Retransmit. How visual images are produced in the brain. Was Dennett right after all ?

2012-12-21 Thread Roger Clough
Apparently this was not all transmitted previously . this is a retransmit for Telmo Have received the following content - Sender: Roger Clough Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-19, 09:45:37 Subject: How visual images are produced in the brain. Was Dennett right after all ? Hi

Re: Re: Re: Re: The pro-life paradox

2012-12-21 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Richard Ruquist That is specified in my Living Will [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/21/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Richard Ruquist Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-20

Re: Re: Re: The pro-life paradox

2012-12-20 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Richard Ruquist How so ? [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/20/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Richard Ruquist Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-20, 12:45:56 Subject: Re: Re: Th

Can the physical brain possibly store our memories ? No.

2012-12-20 Thread Roger Clough
take up the entire physical universe. But our brains do apparently store enormous amounts of information. The above argument suggests that the bulk of this must be stored Platonically (mentally). [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/20/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially nea

Re: Re: The pro-life paradox

2012-12-20 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Bruno Marchal There is a gray area called "quality of life". [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/20/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list

Re: Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-20 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Quentin Anciaux If the occupiers simply suffer from anomie, why do they go to the trouble of camping out on the street ? It's uncomfortable and boring. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/20/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen

Jason and the Dragon's Teeth

2012-12-20 Thread Roger Clough
de to store information on a computer disk. You say 'all I have to do is put a + charge here and nothing there." I don't think it's that simple. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/20/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody All

Re: Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-20 Thread Roger Clough
Hi meekerdb History shows that the wallet is more powerful than the admirable moral actions such as you propose. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/20/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From

Re: Re: the only truth we can understand is a man-made object

2012-12-20 Thread Roger Clough
Hi meekerdb Can be is not the same as is. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/20/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: meekerdb Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-19, 14:30:29 Subject: Re

Re: Re: On Income Fairness in the USA and the world

2012-12-20 Thread Roger Clough
Hi meekerdb True. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/20/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: meekerdb Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-19, 14:01:24 Subject: Re: On Income Fairness

Re: Re: On the need for perspective and relations in modelling the mind

2012-12-20 Thread Roger Clough
. But often if this happens, one root cannot exist in this world as we know it, so no dilemma. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/20/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver:

Re: Re: Why economic inequality and environmental degradation are likelyto improve

2012-12-20 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Craig Weinberg Then we have a dilemma. The numbers say that we are all living better, while you ( and my liberal lady friend) say that things are getting worse. I don't know the answer. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/20/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially ne

Quantum weirdness and the "coincidentia oppositorum"

2012-12-20 Thread Roger Clough
erein a bit can be both 0 and 1 at the same time. To a materialist, this doesn't make sense, so it is called "quantum wierdness". Could it be that this is not weird at all, but only appears to be so at this level ? That at a higher level, there is no such bifurcation, th

i reallyt should have called the gini index the "unfairness index"

2012-12-20 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Bruno Marchal I really have called the gini coefficient the "unfairness index" instead of the "fairness index", as the larger it is, the more inequality. I might not have gotten it backwards. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/20/2012 "Forever is a long time

Re: Re: Re: the only truth we can understand is a man-made object

2012-12-19 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Richard Ruquist That's the usual response, but why does information have to be associated with extended objects ? One could store such information mentally. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/19/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen

Re: Re: Re: clearing up the confusion on the fairness index

2012-12-19 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Richard Ruquist I already sent that out a few days ago, maybe even yesterday. curve follows log (inflation-adjusted personal income) vs time I think back perhaps a century or more. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/19/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end.&qu

Re: Re: Re: Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-19 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Craig Weinberg OK, govts can finally fail, when the people find that they can legislate their own welfare. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/19/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Crai

Re: Re: Men don't get no respect these days

2012-12-19 Thread Roger Clough
t's the right thing to do." not be moral because you fear they'll punish you. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/19/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: every

Re: Re: A truce: if atheism/materialism is an "as if" universe

2012-12-19 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Bruno Marchal You can write a chemical equation (theoretically) that will not work in the real world.. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/19/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bru

Re: The pro-life paradox

2012-12-19 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Bruno Marchal Anything pro life saves life so is good. Euthanasia destroys life so is bad. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/19/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal

Re: Re: The pro-life paradox

2012-12-19 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Alberto G. Corona And as the Bible says, the wages of sin is death. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/19/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Alberto G. Corona Receiver: everything-list

Re: Re: Question: Robotic truth

2012-12-19 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Alberto, Don't forget that mirror neurons in our brains tends to make us copy cats. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/19/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: meekerdb Receiver:

Re: Re: the only truth we can understand is a man-made object

2012-12-19 Thread Roger Clough
Hi meekerdb and Stephen, If information is stored in quantum form, I can't see why the number of particles in the universe can be a limiting fsactor. Also there are ways of storing information holographically, so size gets a bit ambiguous. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/19

Re: Re: clearing up the confusion on the fairness index

2012-12-19 Thread Roger Clough
Hi meekerdb But while the gini index increases linearly with time, the individual wealth of each american (at least before Obama) increases exponentially with time. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/19/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -W

Re: Re: Progressives and social darwinism

2012-12-19 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Craig, As to promoting life, the slogan of the Progressives could be stated thusly: Eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow ye die ! [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/19/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the followi

Re: Re: clearing up the confusion on the fairness index

2012-12-19 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Craig Weinberg What is wrong with making profits ? [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/19/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-18

Re: Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-19 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Craig Weinberg Conservatives don't want NO govt. They want minimal govt. It's the far left (the occupy movement, who are anarchists) that want no govt. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/19/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen

Re: Re: Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-19 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Craig Weinberg The difference between corporations and the govt is that corps have to make a profit or they fail. Govt never fails. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/19/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the followi

How visual images are produced in the brain. Was Dennett right after all ?

2012-12-19 Thread Roger Clough
e answer. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/19/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Roger Clough Receiver: Roger Clough Time: 2012-12-19, 07:45:31 Subject: On those remarkable videoclips o

Re: Question: Robotic truth

2012-12-18 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Alberto G. Corona I'd rather just take a poll. I feel more comfortable with data. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/18/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Alberto G. Corona Receiver:

Re: Re: clearing up the confusion on the fairness index

2012-12-18 Thread Roger Clough
increase in gamma. So we're all doing much better. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/18/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: meekerdb Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-17, 20:13

Re: Re: Re: Re: I am my memory, which is provided by my 1p.

2012-12-18 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Telmo Menezes Thank you so much ! What an achievement ! Hard to believe. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/18/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Telmo Menezes Receiver: everything-

Re: Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-18 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Craig Weinberg Party politics will soon end. The two parties of the future (next year if even that) will be (a) those who want to cut the debt and (b) those who don't. That's what's happened to much of europe. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/18/2012 "Fo

Re: Re: Avoiding the use of the word God

2012-12-18 Thread Roger Clough
family in the Flood). And He lets the rain fall on the unjust as well as the just. Jesus acts on individuals, who must be judged individually. Quantum computing or logic possibly (???) could achieve the individual motions. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/18/2012 "Forever is a

Re: Re: On the need for perspective and relations in modelling the mind

2012-12-18 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Bruno Marchal It would be interesting to see which logical statements apply to the monadic=quantum domain, which is beyond space and time. Part of Quantum Information theory. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/18/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -W

Re: Re: What is truth ? Take your pick.

2012-12-18 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Stephen P. King Sorry, I got his name wrong. Try, for starters, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Davidson_%28philosopher%29 A more in-depth treatment is at http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/davidson/ [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/18/2012 "Forever is a long time, espec

The quantum = monadic domain as the domain of life, mind and intelligence

2012-12-18 Thread Roger Clough
eing . [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/18/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Stephen P. K

Re: Re: On Income Fairness (income equality) in the USA and the world

2012-12-18 Thread Roger Clough
and regulations (least freedom). If you break those laws, etc., you fear going to jail. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/18/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: every

WHOOPS! e: Re: On Income Fairness (income equality) in the USA and the world

2012-12-17 Thread Roger Clough
Whoops ! Big mistake. I had the gini index backwards. 1 means total inequality, not equality of income. So things are getting worse in america instead of better. And there's more equality of income in europe than here. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/17/2012 "Forever is a

Re: Re: Austerity

2012-12-17 Thread Roger Clough
Hi meekerdb If simply raising taxes could kill a national debt, why does Europe still have debt problems ? [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/17/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: meekerdb

Re: Re: Re: I am my memory, which is provided by my 1p.

2012-12-17 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Telmo Menezes It would be good if they showed a video clip. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/17/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Telmo Menezes Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12

Re: Re: a biological definition of good and evil.

2012-12-17 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Stephen P. King ? [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/17/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Stephen P. King Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-17, 11:55:21 Subject: Re: a biological

Re: Re: Are monads tokens ?

2012-12-17 Thread Roger Clough
is not functionalist. A monad contains a many-parts (functionalistic) description of a corporeal body of one part, which is therefore nonreductive. So it is like a type on one end and a token on the other. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/17/2012 "Forever is a long time, especia

Re: Re: Wisdom from Calvin Cooldge

2012-12-17 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Stephen P. King If the conservatives are capitalist, then they espouse evolution, for capitalism is pure Darwinism. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/17/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - Fro

Re: Re: What is truth ? Take your pick.

2012-12-17 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Stephen P. King Good point about necessary and known , but if you follow donaldson, context should be torn out of the heart of any true proposition. Context-sensitive is almost a definition of contingency. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/17/2012 "Forever is a long

Re: Re: Men don't get no respect these days

2012-12-17 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Craig Weinberg I had been talking about fear of God, but fear of the law (meaning fear of diobeying the law) helps keep our streets safer. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/17/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the followi

Re: Re: Men don't get no respect these days

2012-12-17 Thread Roger Clough
name. But they really din't fear God-- because murder is forbidden in any religion I can think of. Religion doesn't make the USA better because most of our religion is just church-going-- social Christianity. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/17/2012 "Forever is a long

a biological definition of good and evil.

2012-12-17 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Stephen P. King I define good as that which enhances life and evil as that which diminishes it. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/17/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Stephen P. King

Re: Re: What is truth ? Take your pick.

2012-12-17 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Platonist Guitar Cowboy I look at it this way : No matter how you slice it, it's still salami. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/17/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Platonis

Re: Re: Men don't get no respect these days

2012-12-17 Thread Roger Clough
can't accept and so go around searching for some complex psychological reason for why that creep murdered those children. That may be the only thing you can be sure about in this life, that evil is real. It isn't just words. It's real. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/17/2012

Re: Re: What is truth ? Take your pick.

2012-12-17 Thread Roger Clough
. Necessary truth is just a subset I think. So is contingent truth. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/17/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Stephen P. King Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-17

Re: Re: Are monads tokens ?

2012-12-17 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Stephen P. King I don't see why not. Donaldson was certainly aware of all of that stuff. I have gotten myself into deep waters, need to study this stuff more. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/17/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen

Re: Re: Men don't get no respect these days

2012-12-17 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Craig Weinberg Actually the fourth commandment is to HONOR your parents. You don't have to love them, just respect them for what they've given you. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/17/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen

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