Re: Why do particles decay randomly?

2013-05-02 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Brent, I agree 99.99% with you here! I only differ in saying that the copy process is not exact and thus is equivalent to a write. On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 7:53 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 5/2/2013 4:39 PM, Stephen Paul King wrote: think it's more feasible to try

Re: Why do particles decay randomly?

2013-05-02 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Brent, You seem to assume that the read and copy operations are of something immutable. I submit that there is no 3p invariant at all! There is only the potential infinity of 'similar' copies. On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 9:49 PM, Stephen Paul King kingstephenp...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Brent

Re: Why do particles decay randomly?

2013-04-29 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi, A resent paper by A.D. Wissner-Gross C.E. Freer suggest that ...intelligent behavior in general spontaneously emerges from an agent’s effort to ensure its freedom of action in the future. According to this theory, intelligent systems move towards those configurations which maximize their

Re: Why do particles decay randomly?

2013-04-21 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Telmo, Could it be that, as usual, each of us are using a different dictionary of definitions of words? What is science, what is religion.. Round and round we go! ISTM that consciousness per se is completely and totally 1p and anything that involves reporting on its content is not

Re: Why do particles decay randomly?

2013-04-19 Thread Stephen Paul King
No computer I have ever worked on has ever been conscious of anything that it is doing. Hi Craig, On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 11:45 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: On Thursday, April 18, 2013 9:44:31 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote: Ummm, Craig, you couldn't tell if you

Re: Why do particles decay randomly?

2013-04-19 Thread Stephen Paul King
of temporary reactionary insanity... maybe... or ??? On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 11:45 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: On Thursday, April 18, 2013 9:44:31 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote: Ummm, Craig, you couldn't tell if you were switched off and on unless you had

Re: Why do particles decay randomly?

2013-04-18 Thread Stephen Paul King
Ummm, Craig, you couldn't tell if you were switched off and on unless you had environmental clues that time when by/shit moved around... I think that you are being a bit specist here. Computers are very much conscious, just not self-aware in any way relatable to our experience of such. On Thu,

Re: Why do particles decay randomly?

2013-04-15 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Bruno, Interleaving On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 9:05 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 14 Apr 2013, at 19:02, Stephen Paul King wrote: Hi Bruno, Unless we can explain how the *some first person plural indeterminacy* obtains, it does not give a satisfactory explanation

Re: Why do particles decay randomly?

2013-04-14 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Bruno, Unless we can explain how the *some first person plural indeterminacy* obtains, it does not give a satisfactory explanation of 'shared experience'. It seems to me that you are right, in so far as, the necessity of such, but I argue that that alone is insufficient. You might want

Re: Why do particles decay randomly?

2013-04-12 Thread Stephen Paul King
Telmo Menezes wrote: ...My understanding is that it's consistent with the MWI and also with what Russel proposes in his book: everything happens but each observer only perceives one of the outcomes. This seems highly unintuitive to a lot of people, but it seems more reasonable to me than the idea

Re: Why do particles decay randomly?

2013-04-12 Thread Stephen Paul King
Maybe it was never 'really' random. But your point seems to assume the premise that there is a reason for its actions other than it just does what it does... What is reason? On Thursday, April 11, 2013 1:43:20 PM UTC-4, John Clark wrote: It's a bit odd to ask why a random event happened; if

Re: Why do particles decay randomly?

2013-04-12 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Craig, That is interesting, relating 1st person clocking behavior to random decay rates. We know that there is a average decay rate and we can determine it rather accurately - just gather a huge pile of stochastic decay data and grind it through the statistical algorithm. The hard part

Re: Why do particles decay randomly?

2013-04-12 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi John, It seems to me that the very idea of singular causes and singular effects is deeply flawed. Can you point to a few examples of singular causes? All examples that I can think of have a line of regress behind them... On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 3:20 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: Why do particles decay randomly?

2013-04-12 Thread Stephen Paul King
I would not say more fundamental... I would say, equally. We can not derive one completely from the other. On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 9:57 PM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.comwrote: On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 6:57 PM, Stephen Paul King kingstephenp...@gmail.com wrote: Telmo Menezes wrote

Re: Why do particles decay randomly?

2013-04-12 Thread Stephen Paul King
I agree Brent, but that assumes that logic is limited to distributive lattice structures. We know better! On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 12:15 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 4/12/2013 6:57 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 6:57 PM, Stephen Paul King kingstephenp

Re: Is consciousness causally effective ?

2011-07-02 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Bruno, Pretty freaking cool post! A few comments... -Original Message- From: Bruno Marchal Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 7:27 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: consciousness On 01 Jul 2011, at 13:23, selva kumar wrote: Is consciousness causally

Re: Is consciousness causally effective ?

2011-07-02 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Bruno, From: Bruno Marchal Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 3:24 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Is consciousness causally effective ? Hi Stephen, On 02 Jul 2011, at 16:53, Stephen Paul King wrote: [SPK] Could you elaborate a bit more on the part where you say

Re: consciousness

2011-07-02 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi B, Speaking only for myself, I do believe that consciousness is causally effective, in the sense that if it did not exist then certain other features of the world would not exist and that my belief that I (an indicator for inner subjective experience of “being in the world”) is not just

Re: consciousness

2011-07-02 Thread Stephen Paul King
This is weird! Two people with the same email address talking to each other or one person talking to himself?! Stephen -Original Message- From: B Soroud Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 12:44 AM To: Everything List Subject: Re: consciousness Yes indeed, the notion of consciousness,

Re: COMP refutation paper - finally out

2011-06-29 Thread Stephen Paul King
To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: COMP refutation paper - finally out Hi Stephen, On 28 Jun 2011, at 22:04, Stephen Paul King wrote: From: Bruno Marchal Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 3:47 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: COMP refutation paper - finally out

Re: COMP refutation paper - finally out

2011-06-29 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Bruno, Also: Are the box and diamond that Steve Vickers uses here http://www.cs.bham.ac.uk/~sjv/JVDefenceSlides.pdf the same as yours? Onward! Stephen From: Stephen Paul King Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 7:17 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: COMP refutation

Re: COMP refutation paper - finally out

2011-06-28 Thread Stephen Paul King
-Original Message- From: Bruno Marchal Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 12:38 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: COMP refutation paper - finally out On 27 Jun 2011, at 21:51, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 26.06.2011 22:33 meekerdb said the following: On 6/26/2011 12:58

Re: The Brain on Trial

2011-06-28 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Rex, From: Rex Allen Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 11:38 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Brain on Trial On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 8:40 PM, Stephen Paul King stephe...@charter.net wrote: Why does it seem that there is no motivation to consider the victims

Re: COMP refutation paper - finally out

2011-06-28 Thread Stephen Paul King
From: Bruno Marchal Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 3:47 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: COMP refutation paper - finally out On 28 Jun 2011, at 18:49, Stephen Paul King wrote: -Original Message- From: Bruno Marchal Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 12:38 PM

Re: Genuine Fortuitousness

2011-06-12 Thread Stephen Paul King
-Original Message- From: Rex Allen Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 4:26 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Genuine Fortuitousness Interesting paper by Aage Bohr, Nobel prize laureate and son of Niels Bohr: The Principle Underlying Quantum Mechanics

Re: COMP refutation paper - finally out

2011-06-07 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Colin, Any chance that us non-university affiliated types can get a copy of your paper? Onward! Stephen -Original Message- From: Colin Hales Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 3:42 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: COMP refutation paper - finally out Hi, Hales, C.

Re: Mathematical closure of consciousness and computation

2011-06-07 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear Bruno, From: Bruno Marchal Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 9:00 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Mathematical closure of consciousness and computation Hi Stephen, On 06 Jun 2011, at 05:27, Stephen Paul King wrote: Hi Bruno, Rex and Friends, My .002$... [BM

Re: Mathematical closure of consciousness and computation

2011-06-07 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear Bruno, I agree with your assessment of that Wiki article. In most universities the prevalent ontological doctrine is “dialectical materialism” and such has no allowance for any competition in the realm of ideas. I have pointed out that your result is similar to solipsism but never as

Re: Mathematical closure of consciousness and computation

2011-06-06 Thread Stephen Paul King
all existence F.H. On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 12:57 AM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Stephen Paul King stephe...@charter.net wrote: Hi Jason, Very interesting reasoning! Thank you. From: Jason Resch Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2011

Re: Mathematical closure of consciousness and computation

2011-06-06 Thread Stephen Paul King
From: Bruno Marchal Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 12:30 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Mathematical closure of consciousness and computation Jason, snip Note also, that it can be proved that for all correct Löbian machine, S4Grz = S4Grz*. The knower is the same from the

Re: Mathematical closure of consciousness and computation

2011-06-06 Thread Stephen Paul King
-Original Message- From: Russell Standish Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 7:30 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Mathematical closure of consciousness and computation On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 06:52:52PM -0400, Rex Allen wrote: So how does this prove what I said false?

Re: Mathematical closure of consciousness and computation

2011-06-05 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Bruno, Rex and Friends, My .002$... -Original Message- From: Bruno Marchal Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2011 9:22 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Mathematical closure of consciousness and computation On 04 Jun 2011, at 20:03, Rex Allen wrote: On Sat, Jun 4,

Re: Mathematical closure of consciousness and computation

2011-06-04 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Jason, Very interesting reasoning! From: Jason Resch Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2011 1:51 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Mathematical closure of consciousness and computation On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Rex Allen rexallen31...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jun

Re: MULTIVERSE HYPOTHESIS and natural laws

2011-05-24 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Brent, From: meekerdb Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 12:53 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: MULTIVERSE HYPOTHESIS and natural laws On 5/24/2011 7:26 AM, Stephen Paul King wrote: -Original Message- From: ronaldheld Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 7:58 AM

Re: MULTIVERSE HYPOTHESIS and natural laws

2011-05-24 Thread Stephen Paul King
From: meekerdb Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 7:30 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: MULTIVERSE HYPOTHESIS and natural laws On 5/24/2011 10:04 AM, Stephen Paul King wrote: snip [meekrdb] They seem determined to find fine-tuning: To see that this is so, let us look

Re: On the Sequencing of Observer Moments

2011-05-21 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Bruno, -Original Message- From: Bruno Marchal Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2011 3:28 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: On the Sequencing of Observer Moments On 21 May 2011, at 19:15, meekerdb wrote: On 5/21/2011 4:43 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: 3-OMs are sequenced by

Re: On the Sequencing of Observer Moments

2011-05-20 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Brent and Bruno, From: meekerdb Sent: Friday, May 20, 2011 1:44 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: On the Sequencing of Observer Moments On 5/20/2011 3:54 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 18 May 2011, at 18:54, meekerdb wrote: On 5/18/2011 9:21 AM, Stephen Paul

Re: FREE WILL--is it really free?

2011-05-19 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Scerir and Friends, Thank you for posting this link to N. Gisin’s paper. In it Gisin makes a very eloquent and forceful argument against MWI based on the experience of free will. You can find a talk that he gave on the subject here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WnV7zUR9UA I

Re: On the Sequencing of Observer Moments

2011-05-18 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear Bruno, I am interested in more of your thinking on several ideas that you mention in this post. 1) The 8 hypostases as N-OM; N = 1 - 8 2) Is this physical instantiation of a 3-OM is an infinite mathematical object phrasing equivalent to saying that the physical instantiation of a

Re: On the Sequencing of Observer Moments

2011-05-18 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Brent, Interesting! If we follow this idea, that memory is not necessary for consciousness, then consciousness does not require a persistent structure to supervene upon. No? Onward! Stephen From: meekerdb Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 11:38 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com

Re: On the Sequencing of Observer Moments

2011-05-18 Thread Stephen Paul King
their implications, a sort of attempt at a reductio ad absurdum. Onward! Stephen From: meekerdb Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 12:54 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: On the Sequencing of Observer Moments On 5/18/2011 9:21 AM, Stephen Paul King wrote: Hi Brent, Interesting! If we

Re: On the Sequencing of Observer Moments

2011-05-18 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear Bruno, How beautifully said! This is a rediscovery of ideas that we find in many mythological systems. We are God that forgot what we truly are. Onward! Stephen From: Bruno Marchal Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 12:11 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: On the

Re: On the Sequencing of Observer Moments

2011-05-18 Thread Stephen Paul King
Allen Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 1:24 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: On the Sequencing of Observer Moments On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 1:40 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 5/16/2011 7:13 AM, Stephen Paul King wrote: [SPK] I was trying to be sure that I

Re: On the Sequencing of Observer Moments

2011-05-18 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Rex, A very good point! There must be a place for false memories in our modal logics. Could these be included in the Bp p where the p is not necessarily true in all worlds? Onward! Stephen -Original Message- From: Rex Allen Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 1:30 PM To:

Re: On the Sequencing of Observer Moments

2011-05-18 Thread Stephen Paul King
of Observer Moments On 5/18/2011 10:44 AM, Stephen Paul King wrote: Hi Rex, I agree with you 100%! I am amazed that this idea is considered as a horrid heresy by most physicists You seem to have an uninformed opinion of physicists. The physicists I know don't consider anything heresy

Re: On the Sequencing of Observer Moments

2011-05-18 Thread Stephen Paul King
: meekerdb Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 2:01 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: On the Sequencing of Observer Moments On 5/18/2011 10:39 AM, Stephen Paul King wrote: Dear Bruno, How beautifully said! This is a rediscovery of ideas that we find in many mythological systems

Re: On the Sequencing of Observer Moments

2011-05-18 Thread Stephen Paul King
and ask ontological questions. ;-) Onward, Stephen From: meekerdb Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 3:17 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: On the Sequencing of Observer Moments On 5/18/2011 11:29 AM, Stephen Paul King wrote: Hi Brent, Oh you bet! Chopra and those like

Re: On the Sequencing of Observer Moments

2011-05-16 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Stathis, -Original Message- From: Stathis Papaioannou Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 9:08 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: On the Sequencing of Observer Moments On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 9:57 AM, Stephen Paul King stephe...@charter.net wrote: Hi Brent and Everything

Re: On the Sequencing of Observer Moments

2011-05-16 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear Brent, -Original Message- From: meekerdb Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 1:40 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: On the Sequencing of Observer Moments On 5/16/2011 7:13 AM, Stephen Paul King wrote: [SPK] I was trying to be sure that I took that involves

Re: FREE WILL--is it really free?

2011-05-16 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi selva, We are actively exploring exactly those kinds of questions. Please feel free to jump in, the water is warm. ;-) Onward! Stephen -Original Message- From: selva Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 10:49 AM To: Everything List Subject: FREE WILL--is it really free? Considering

Re: On the Sequencing of Observer Moments

2011-05-10 Thread Stephen Paul King
, Stephen Paul King wrote: Hi Brent, From: meekerdb Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 12:17 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Against the Doomsday hypothesis On 5/8/2011 10:22 PM, Stephen Paul King wrote: Hi Bent, From: meekerdb Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011

Re: Against the Doomsday hypothesis

2011-05-09 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Russell, From: Russell Standish Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 3:40 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Against the Doomsday hypothesis On Mon, May 09, 2011 at 01:22:23AM -0400, Stephen Paul King wrote: My point is that “the whole human history timeline” assumes

Re: Against the Doomsday hypothesis

2011-05-09 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Russell, From: Russell Standish Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 3:32 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Against the Doomsday hypothesis On Mon, May 09, 2011 at 01:35:10AM -0400, Stephen Paul King wrote: Is not the SSA “the idea that you should reason as if you were

Re: Against the Doomsday hypothesis

2011-05-09 Thread Stephen Paul King
for the electromagnetic radiation emitted by a hot object. Onward, Stephen From: Bruno Marchal Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 4:11 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Against the Doomsday hypothesis On 09 May 2011, at 05:58, meekerdb wrote: On 5/8/2011 7:53 PM, Stephen Paul

Re: Against the Doomsday hypothesis

2011-05-09 Thread Stephen Paul King
: Monday, May 09, 2011 4:15 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Against the Doomsday hypothesis On 09 May 2011, at 04:53, Stephen Paul King wrote: Hi Russell, Did you see the rest of that post? How does my sketch (replicated here) work out as a probability

Re: Against the Doomsday hypothesis

2011-05-09 Thread Stephen Paul King
-0400, Stephen Paul King wrote: But surely you can see that this “linear human history” is one that can only be defined from the assumption that “all human history” can be determined. That’s the rub, it assumes the ability to know something that requires the existence of an external

Re: Against the Doomsday hypothesis

2011-05-09 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Bruno, From: Bruno Marchal Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 8:57 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Against the Doomsday hypothesis On 09 May 2011, at 13:35, Stephen Paul King wrote: Dear Bruno, But this is problematic since dreams are 3p describable by the diary

Re: Against the Doomsday hypothesis

2011-05-09 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Brent, From: meekerdb Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 12:17 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Against the Doomsday hypothesis On 5/8/2011 10:22 PM, Stephen Paul King wrote: Hi Bent, From: meekerdb Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 12:31 AM To: everything-list

Re: Against the Doomsday hypothesis

2011-05-09 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Russell, Right! The OM would be the lower bound on a duration spanning any experience. Onward! Stephen From: Russell Standish Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 5:57 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Against the Doomsday hypothesis On Mon, May 09, 2011 at 09:17:38AM

Re: Against the Doomsday hypothesis (errata)

2011-05-08 Thread Stephen Paul King
errata. damn spell checker... From: Stephen Paul King Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 12:19 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Against the Doomsday hypothesis Hi Brent, No, the Newtonian case would be such that the logical non-contradiction requirement would be trivial

Re: Against the Doomsday hypothesis

2011-05-08 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Bent, From: meekerdb Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 12:31 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Against the Doomsday hypothesis On 5/8/2011 9:19 PM, Stephen Paul King wrote: Hi Brent, No, the Newtonian case would be such that the logical non-contradiction requirement

Re: Against the Doomsday hypothesis

2011-05-08 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Russell, ** From: Russell Standish Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 1:03 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Against the Doomsday hypothesis On Mon, May 09, 2011 at 12:19:28AM -0400, Stephen Paul King wrote: My argument is that the traditional notion of a measure does

Re: Against the Doomsday hypothesis

2011-05-06 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear Russell, From: Russell Standish Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 7:27 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Against the Doomsday hypothesis On Thu, May 05, 2011 at 08:32:02PM -0400, Stephen Paul King wrote: Hi Folks, I have been thinking hard about the Doomsday Argument

Re: Strawson v Nagel

2011-05-06 Thread Stephen Paul King
. Onward! Stephen . From: Russell Standish Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 2:35 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Self-aware = Consciousness? On Tue, May 03, 2011 at 06:02:10PM -0400, Stephen Paul King wrote: Stephen (going out on the crack pot edge!) I have to confess I

Re: Against the Doomsday hypothesis

2011-05-06 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Quentin, I seem to need to read up on the prior discussion! I’ll look for the wiki article. Onward! Stephen From: Quentin Anciaux Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 5:52 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Against the Doomsday hypothesis 2011/5/6 Stephen Paul King stephe

Re: Against the Doomsday hypothesis

2011-05-06 Thread Stephen Paul King
HI Russell, I don’t get it! From: Russell Standish Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 8:52 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Against the Doomsday hypothesis On Fri, May 06, 2011 at 04:33:04PM -0400, Stephen Paul King wrote: [SPK] My physical body has myopia

Against the Doomsday hypothesis

2011-05-05 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Folks, I have been thinking hard about the Doomsday Argument and a question struck me. Why does it seems that genomic heredity does not seem to play any role in the determination of what body, location, etc. one discovers one’s 1p (subjective sense of self in the world) to exist in.

Re: Self-aware = Consciousness?

2011-05-03 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Russell, From: Russell Standish Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 7:25 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Max Substitution level = Min Observer Moment? Stephen King wrote: PS, to Russell: I think that you are conflating consciousness with self-awareness in section 9.5 of your

Re: Reading The Theory of Nothing

2011-05-01 Thread Stephen Paul King
of electrical charge, I hope! Bruno Saibal Citeren Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be: On 30 Apr 2011, at 09:09, meekerdb wrote: On 4/29/2011 8:45 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 29 Apr 2011, at 02:42, Stephen Paul King wrote: Please allow me to ask another question. Is the notion

Re: Reading The Theory of Nothing

2011-05-01 Thread Stephen Paul King
From: meekerdb Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2011 2:20 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Reading The Theory of Nothing On 5/1/2011 7:08 AM, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote: I think that in this discussion one is assuming that the classical picture of an OM applies and that then leads to

Re: Love and Free Will

2011-05-01 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi John, I love your comments! Onward! Stephen From: John Mikes Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2011 4:05 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Love and Free Will Dear Bruno and Brent: (not quite sure which 'open' par belongs to whom, since they are open in Bruno's text as well

Re: Love and Free Will

2011-05-01 Thread Stephen Paul King
From: meekerdb Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2011 4:46 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Love and Free Will On 5/1/2011 1:05 PM, John Mikes wrote: Observer: I generalize the term to anything getting into relational connection with anything else, not restricted to 'conscious'

Re: Max Substitution level = Min Observer Moment?

2011-05-01 Thread Stephen Paul King
From: meekerdb Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2011 7:24 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Max Substitution level = Min Observer Moment? On 5/1/2011 3:23 PM, Stephen Paul King wrote: It does not exist ontologically, but still exist (and is unavoidable) epistemologically. X can

Is UD Sequentially Compact

2011-05-01 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Bruno, Is UD sequentially COmpact? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sequentially_compact Onward! Stephen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To

Re: Max Substitution level = Min Observer Moment?

2011-04-29 Thread Stephen Paul King
From: Bruno Marchal Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 11:45 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Reading The Theory of Nothing On 29 Apr 2011, at 02:42, Stephen Paul King wrote: Please allow me to ask another question. Is the notion of an “observer moment” corresponding

Re: Reading The Theory of Nothing

2011-04-28 Thread Stephen Paul King
, Stephen Paul King wrote: Hi Russell and Bruno, I’ve been slowly reading “The Theory of Nothing” by Russell K. Standish and stumbled over the following sentence (that has Bruno’s discussion of the Movie Graph Argument and Maudlin’s Olympia and Klara in the context): “All physical

Re: Reading The Theory of Nothing

2011-04-28 Thread Stephen Paul King
From: meekerdb Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 6:43 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Reading The Theory of Nothing On 4/28/2011 2:20 PM, Stephen Paul King wrote: Hi Russell, But does this only make the problem worse? The quantity of information that would have

Re: Reading The Theory of Nothing

2011-04-28 Thread Stephen Paul King
From: Russell Standish Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 6:14 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Reading The Theory of Nothing On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 05:20:24PM -0400, Stephen Paul King wrote: Hi Russell, But does this only make the problem worse? The quantity

Re: Quantum decoherence

2011-04-28 Thread Stephen Paul King
From: Bruno Marchal Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 7:07 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Quantum decoherence On 27 Apr 2011, at 22:48, meekerdb wrote: On 4/27/2011 12:16 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Recently I have seen interpretation of quantum mechanics in terms of

Reading The Theory of Nothing

2011-04-27 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Russell and Bruno, I’ve been slowly reading “The Theory of Nothing” by Russell K. Standish and stumbled over the following sentence (that has Bruno’s discussion of the Movie Graph Argument and Maudlin’s Olympia and Klara in the context): “All physical processes occupying single

the duality between Bp and Bp p.

2011-04-19 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Bruno, You mentioned in a previous mail “the duality between Bp and Bp p”. Could you elaborate on this? Is it a Stone or a Pontryagin duality? (these are different!) Also, are there any restriction on the content of the proposition p? Could a model of a possible world be a p? I ask

Re: [OT] Love and free will

2011-04-18 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Rex, -Original Message- From: Rex Allen Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 12:55 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [OT] Love and free will On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 6:32 PM, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote: We exercise a decisionmaking 'will' that is a product of

Re: [OT] Love and free will

2011-04-15 Thread Stephen Paul King
-Original Message- From: Bruno Marchal Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 3:45 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [OT] Love and free will On 14 Apr 2011, at 22:25, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: This week in Die Zeit there were two papers about love and fidelity. One more

Re: A possible flaw un UDA?

2011-04-13 Thread Stephen Paul King
consider in detail an idea that emerged here in my post and Bruno's response: *** start cut/paste From: Bruno Marchal Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 7:02 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: A possible flaw un UDA? Hi Stephen, On 13 Apr 2011, at 02:35, Stephen Paul King

Re: A possible flaw un UDA?

2011-04-12 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Bruno, Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more! -Original Message- From: Bruno Marchal Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 1:03 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Causality = 1p Continuity? On 03 Apr 2011, at 05:15, stephenk wrote: snip [SPK] That

Re: 1P-causality

2011-04-08 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Bruno, I found what I have been looking for: arxiv.org/pdf/0812.1290 Onward! Stephen From: Bruno Marchal Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 2:39 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: 1P-causality Hi Stephen, On 08 Apr 2011, at 00:25, Stephen Paul King wrote: Thus

Re: 1P-causality

2011-04-07 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Bruno, Thus wisdom is a measure of how much one knows that one does not know. Onward! Stephen From: Bruno Marchal Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 12:48 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: 1P-causality Hi John, I indulge myself in a slight correction on a statement,

Re: Is QTI false?

2011-04-04 Thread Stephen Paul King
-Original Message- From: Nick Prince Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 1:55 PM To: Everything List Subject: Re: Is QTI false? Yes Sheldrakes ideas are just the kind of thing I was thinking of. I think that he looked at my paper and used a reference to, I think? alligned himself with

Re: Causality = 1p Continuity?

2011-04-03 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Bruno, Sometimes I feel that you are not reading what I write at all. :( -Original Message- From: Bruno Marchal Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 1:03 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Causality = 1p Continuity? On 03 Apr 2011, at 05:15, stephenk wrote: snip

Re: Niettzean Recurrence!

2011-04-03 Thread Stephen Paul King
to a proof that P = NP. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P_versus_NP_problem I confess that I still do not have a wording to express my thought on this, but I need to put this claim out there. Onward! Stephen From: Stephen Paul King Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 5:22 PM To: everything-list

Re: The Nature of Time

2011-04-02 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Saibal Are you defining time as isomorphic to the Real number line? Could it be that all of these proofs of the nonexistence of time are really just proofs that time is *not* that but something else entirely? It seems to me that we are thinking of the way that we can chronometrize

Re: Is QTI false?

2011-03-31 Thread Stephen Paul King
-Original Message- From: Bruno Marchal Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 8:52 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Is QTI false? On 31 Mar 2011, at 13:53, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Nick Prince nickmag.pri...@googlemail.com wrote: In

Re: Causality = 1p Continuity?

2011-03-31 Thread Stephen Paul King
-Original Message- From: Bruno Marchal Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 12:33 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Is QTI false? On 31 Mar 2011, at 15:35, Stephen Paul King wrote: snip *** Hi! There seems to be a conflation of the ideas of the continuity of 1st

Re: Movie cannot think

2011-03-11 Thread Stephen Paul King
think On 11 Mar 2011, at 03:39, Stephen Paul King wrote: From: Bruno Marchal Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 12:48 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Movie cannot think Dear Stephen, On 10 Mar 2011, at 16:27, Stephen Paul King wrote: -Original Message

Re: Implementing Machines

2011-03-11 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear Andrew and Bruno, Please forgive my intrusion here but I both share a concern with Andrew about a concept being discussed and have a series of comments. -Original Message- From: Andrew Soltau Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 7:07 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject:

Re: Implementing Machines

2011-03-11 Thread Stephen Paul King
: Friday, March 11, 2011 4:19 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Implementing Machines On 11/03/11 16:54, Stephen Paul King wrote: Dear Andrew and Bruno, Please forgive my intrusion here but I both share a concern with Andrew about a concept being discussed and have

Re: Implementing Machines (errata)

2011-03-11 Thread Stephen Paul King
fixing my typos From: Stephen Paul King Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 10:24 PM To: everything-list Subject: Re: Implementing Machines Hi Andrew, The answer to the simple question that you see in all of this detail leads to is, that at its core essence, Existence is Change itself. Becoming

Re: The Emergence of Consciousness in the Quantum Universe

2011-03-10 Thread Stephen Paul King
-Original Message- From: ronaldheld Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 7:18 AM To: Everything List Subject: The Emergence of Consciousness in the Quantum Universe http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/1103/1103.1651v1.pdf Here we go again. Ronald *** Hi Ronald!

Re: Movie cannot think

2011-03-10 Thread Stephen Paul King
From: Andrew Soltau Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 7:47 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Movie cannot think On 09/03/11 16:53, Brent Meeker wrote: The appearance of change is already explained by the fact that there are different frames that have an implicit sequence and

Re: Movie cannot think

2011-03-10 Thread Stephen Paul King
-Original Message- From: Bruno Marchal Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 9:10 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Movie cannot think On 10 Mar 2011, at 13:47, Andrew Soltau wrote: All the moments exist, and as Deutsch points out, as you summarise, 'The appearance

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