Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-02-07 Thread Byung-Hee HWANG
Nuno Miguel dos Santos Baeta nmsba...@member.fsf.org writes: [...] As for my choice, I am using GIMP! [...] Wow, that's really best Portugal!!! Sincerely, -- They have made fools of us. For justice we must go on our knees to Don Corleone. -- Amerigo Bonasera, Chapter 1,

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-02-06 Thread Nuno Miguel dos Santos Baeta
Hello! Sorry for taking so long to thank your replies, but I had to solve an urgent and unpleasant problem :-| As for my choice, I am using GIMP! Several arguments in favor of GIMP were/are compelling. One final observation. I'm not a professional photographer. I'm an amateur photographer

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-01-21 Thread doug
On 20/01/10 23:39, Cédric Gémy wrote: I don't remember how this discussion has turned to a GUI discussion just as if the hugest difference wetween the two was this point. Anyway, Gimp is great, and photoshop has many default too. It also tries to implement new GUI possibilities, but they

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-01-21 Thread Martin Nordholts
doug wrote: Most people thinks having two different menubars in one application is insane. The small amount of people that thinks it is a good idea will have to maintain code for that themselves, sorry. In a few months' time anybody wanting to look up XXX or YYY in the archives is going to

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-01-20 Thread Cédric Gémy
I don't remember how this discussion has turned to a GUI discussion just as if the hugest difference wetween the two was this point. Anyway, Gimp is great, and photoshop has many default too. It also tries to implement new GUI possibilities, but they sometimes shouldn't, i guess :) Most people

[Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-01-18 Thread jolie
There are a few things that GIMP needs to be competitive with PS. Just a few? :) Why is it necessary for GIMP to be competitive with PS? GIMP is an alternative to PS developed for free use by anyone who wishes to use it. As I understand it, it isn't users that GIMP wants, it is developers

[Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-01-17 Thread Carusoswi
On 1/13/10, Programmer In Training wrote: On 1/12/10, Norman Silverstone wrote: The great thing about GIMP is that it is free so you can try it, at no cost to yourself, and see if it will do what you want it to do. But so is Photoshop. 30 days trial :) Photoshop is free to try, for 30

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-01-17 Thread Ken Warner
There are a few things that GIMP needs to be competitive with PS. 1) A decent batch processor and I'm not talking about learning a whole programming language to do so. 2) 16 bit color. 3) Better zonal control so one can adjust light and dark areas of a digital photo more easily so as to enhance

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-01-17 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On 1/17/10, Ken Warner wrote: There are a few things that GIMP needs to be competitive with PS. Just a few? :) Alexandre ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-01-17 Thread Norman Silverstone
There are a few things that GIMP needs to be competitive with PS. Just a few? :) Why is it necessary for GIMP to be competitive with PS? GIMP is an alternative to PS developed for free use by anyone who wishes to use it. As I understand it, it isn't users that GIMP wants, it is developers

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-01-17 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On 1/17/10, Norman Silverstone wrote: There are a few things that GIMP needs to be competitive with PS. Just a few? :) Why is it necessary for GIMP to be competitive with PS? You probably meant to say competitive against PS, didn't you? :) There is no reason why developers of free software

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-01-17 Thread Patrick Shanahan
* Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com [01-17-10 11:20]: On 1/17/10, Norman Silverstone wrote: As I understand it, it isn't users that GIMP wants, it is developers prepared to give freely of their time and expertise. If you need the advantages that PS has over GIMP then, by

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-01-17 Thread ajtiM
On Sunday 17 January 2010 09:03:32 Norman Silverstone wrote: There are a few things that GIMP needs to be competitive with PS. Just a few? :) Why is it necessary for GIMP to be competitive with PS? I agree with the above 100%. Why? I like GIMP, for me is useful and I support open

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-01-17 Thread Ken Warner
Hey people, I didn't start this thread. Don't grind my ass... All I did was mention the obvious features that GIMP doesn't have compared to PS. And I meant competitive *WITH* not *AGAINST* PS. It doesn't have to replace PS -- if GIMP is to eventually have the same utility of PS then it needs

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-01-17 Thread Dotan Cohen
I'm sure many professional photographers swear by these.  Its up to you to decide if the quality of the results warrant the price.  The only way to know - for you - is to compare both the commercial apps and the open source alternatives for what you're trying to accomplish. I would like to

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-01-14 Thread Milan Knížek
Norman Silverstone píše v Út 12. 01. 2010 v 20:50 +: The great thing about GIMP is that it is free so you can try it, at no cost to yourself, and see if it will do what you want it to do. But so is Photoshop. 30 days trial :) The difficulty is that whilst GIMP will run on

[Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-01-13 Thread photocomix
About the 8 , 16 bit issue maybe all what you need may be just first correct your image with something as RawTherapee (now Gpl ),and in case of need of further editing , send the result to gimp (You may set in Rawtherapee Gimp as associate image editor) Let say that if you need to works with

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-01-13 Thread Marco Ciampa
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 04:51:02PM +, Nuno Miguel dos Santos Baeta wrote: Hello! [...] * Photoshop: Must be used for 'serious' work. Yeah...it's just like to say that you have to use Windows for serious work... ;-) * GIMP: May be used for 'serious' work if that means showing a photo on

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-01-13 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On 1/14/10, Marco Ciampa wrote: ** Just 8 bit/channel; yes, just like photoshop some years ago...wait a moment...this means that serious photo work started just some 5-10 years ago PS: jpeg photos are 8 bit only This is totally unrelated. Open (almost) any photo in GIMP, edit it with

[Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-01-12 Thread Nuno Miguel dos Santos Baeta
Hello! I don't understand anything about digital image manipulation but I've got to learn as, last year, I finally bought a digital camera, after making photos with film for many years, mainly BW which I developed and printed myself. To learn digital image manipulation I need a program such as

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-01-12 Thread Jaime Seuma
IMHO, and to cut the long story short: - use the GIMP - learn how to use it by means of the help included, the many excellent tutorials existing, Akkana Peck's book and MeetTheGimp.org video-shows. There are still other resources available. - CMYK: you won't be needing that any time soon, and some

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-01-12 Thread Torsten Neuer
Am Dienstag, 12. Januar 2010 17:51:02 schrieb Nuno Miguel dos Santos Baeta: ** Is has no color management (I don't know what this is); Unless you use a very outdated version of Gimp, this is not true. ** Just 8 bit/channel; ** No CMYK. This is still true, but should be fixed within the

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-01-12 Thread Michael J. Hammel
On Tue, 2010-01-12 at 16:51 +, Nuno Miguel dos Santos Baeta wrote: * Photoshop: Must be used for 'serious' work. Depends on who's being serious. Truth is, it depends on the type of work and one man's serious is another man's who cares. Note that I've done covers for magazines with GIMP

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-01-12 Thread Norman Silverstone
The great thing about GIMP is that it is free so you can try it, at no cost to yourself, and see if it will do what you want it to do. Never mind what others will tell you about whether it should be 16 bit or 8 bit and is colour management essential or not. I suggest the thing to do is that you

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-01-12 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On 1/12/10, Norman Silverstone wrote: The great thing about GIMP is that it is free so you can try it, at no cost to yourself, and see if it will do what you want it to do. But so is Photoshop. 30 days trial :) Alexandre ___ Gimp-user mailing list

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-01-12 Thread Norman Silverstone
The great thing about GIMP is that it is free so you can try it, at no cost to yourself, and see if it will do what you want it to do. But so is Photoshop. 30 days trial :) The difficulty is that whilst GIMP will run on virtually any operating system Photoshop will not. Norman

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-01-12 Thread Programmer In Training
On 1/12/2010 2:38 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: On 1/12/10, Norman Silverstone wrote: The great thing about GIMP is that it is free so you can try it, at no cost to yourself, and see if it will do what you want it to do. But so is Photoshop. 30 days trial :) Alexandre Photoshop is free

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-01-12 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On 1/13/10, Programmer In Training wrote: On 1/12/10, Norman Silverstone wrote: The great thing about GIMP is that it is free so you can try it, at no cost to yourself, and see if it will do what you want it to do. But so is Photoshop. 30 days trial :) Photoshop is free to try, for 30

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-01-12 Thread JPL
Nuno Miguel dos Santos Baeta a écrit : Hello! I don't understand anything about digital image manipulation but I've got to learn as, last year, I finally bought a digital camera, after making photos with film for many years, mainly BW which I developed and printed myself. To learn digital

[Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-01-12 Thread jolie
On 1/13/10, Programmer In Training wrote: On 1/12/10, Norman Silverstone wrote: The great thing about GIMP is that it is free so you can try it, at no cost to yourself, and see if it will do what you want it to do. But so is Photoshop. 30 days trial :) Photoshop is free to try, for 30

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-01-12 Thread Michael F Uschold
Torsten says: Also, no serious photographer will just abandon analog photography and go totally digital. Any fine grained film will yield much better resolutions than what the most expensive digital cameras are capable of. This is simply not true. I am a serious non-professional photographer who

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop UI

2007-10-01 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, On Sun, 2007-09-30 at 18:48 -0400, carol irvin wrote: I have one technical question about this list. Do I also need to send this reply to the list or does replying to anyone send it automatically to the list? There's no magic going on. Your answer goes to the recipients that your mail

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop UI

2007-09-30 Thread Leon Brooks GIMP
On Sunday 30 September 2007 20:06:09 Sven Neumann wrote: We are listening to our users. That's why we have this mailing- list and actually read about the problems and needs of our users. Round of applause, that sentiment. (-: Now I need to organise my own life better so I can make space to

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop UI

2007-09-30 Thread carol irvin
Sven, I have an idea for something which might be fun to do as a group and educational as well. Each person (who wanted to participate) would take an art step phase further using GIMP until we had a completed art work. For example, let's say you'd start it using a brush. Then maybe I'd go into

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop UI

2007-09-29 Thread Patrick Shanahan
* gimp_user [EMAIL PROTECTED] [09-29-07 02:00]: On Friday 28 September 2007 14:12:30 David Southwell wrote: On Friday 28 September 2007 10:45:14 Sven Neumann wrote: Hi, On Fri, 2007-09-28 at 04:04 -0700, gimp_user wrote: While the absence of a recognised skill transition route

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop UI

2007-09-29 Thread gimp_user
On Saturday 29 September 2007 07:46:37 Patrick Shanahan wrote: * gimp_user [EMAIL PROTECTED] [09-29-07 02:00]: On Friday 28 September 2007 14:12:30 David Southwell wrote: On Friday 28 September 2007 10:45:14 Sven Neumann wrote: Hi, On Fri, 2007-09-28 at 04:04 -0700, gimp_user

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop UI

2007-09-29 Thread gimp_user
On Saturday 29 September 2007 07:46:37 Patrick Shanahan wrote: * gimp_user [EMAIL PROTECTED] [09-29-07 02:00]: On Friday 28 September 2007 14:12:30 David Southwell wrote: On Friday 28 September 2007 10:45:14 Sven Neumann wrote: Hi, On Fri, 2007-09-28 at 04:04 -0700, gimp_user

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop UI

2007-09-28 Thread gimp_user
On Friday 28 September 2007 04:04:03 gimp_user wrote: On Thursday 27 September 2007 08:00:45 George Farris wrote: --- gimp_user [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...[GIMP] does not have an interface that makes for an easy user transition from the industry PS standard it is not a tool that is

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop UI

2007-09-28 Thread Patrick Shanahan
* gimp_user [EMAIL PROTECTED] [09-28-07 07:20]: [...] It means providing tools for non-destructive editing to enable more than one individual and organisation to contribute to the creation, manipulation, selection, cataloguing, distribution and promotion of images. Though you object to

[Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop UI

2007-09-28 Thread carol irvin
-- Forwarded message -- From: carol irvin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sep 28, 2007 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop UI To: gimp_user [EMAIL PROTECTED] This makes total sense to me. If you work for ad agencies, for example, everyone will want to be using the same

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop UI

2007-09-28 Thread gimp_user
On Friday 28 September 2007 06:20:05 gimp_user wrote: On Friday 28 September 2007 04:04:03 gimp_user wrote: On Thursday 27 September 2007 08:00:45 George Farris wrote: --- gimp_user [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...[GIMP] does not have an interface that makes for an easy user transition

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop UI

2007-09-28 Thread gimp_user
On Thursday 27 September 2007 08:00:45 George Farris wrote: --- gimp_user [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...[GIMP] does not have an interface that makes for an easy user transition from the industry PS standard it is not a tool that is ready for adoption by high quality image makers. FUD your

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop UI

2007-09-28 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, On Fri, 2007-09-28 at 04:04 -0700, gimp_user wrote: While the absence of a recognised skill transition route (i.e. no skin similar to PS) is a serious obstacle affecting the ability of multiple individuals to collaborate in a supply chain comprising multiple organisations it is far

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop UI

2007-09-28 Thread David Southwell
On Friday 28 September 2007 10:45:14 Sven Neumann wrote: Hi, On Fri, 2007-09-28 at 04:04 -0700, gimp_user wrote: While the absence of a recognised skill transition route (i.e. no skin similar to PS) is a serious obstacle affecting the ability of multiple individuals to collaborate in a

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop UI

2007-09-28 Thread David Herman
On Friday 28 September 2007, Sven Neumann wrote: Hi, On Fri, 2007-09-28 at 04:04 -0700, gimp_user wrote: While the absence of a recognised skill transition route (i.e. no skin similar to PS) is a serious obstacle affecting the ability of multiple individuals to collaborate in a supply

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop UI

2007-09-28 Thread Leon Brooks GIMP
On Saturday 29 September 2007 01:51:59 carol irvin wrote:  I am switching myself to open source programs whenever I can to save money.  It is no more complex than that. Hi Carol! Um, I convert people to OpenOffice who basically don't give a hoot about the $$$. They adopt it because: * They

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop UI

2007-09-28 Thread gimp_user
On Friday 28 September 2007 14:12:30 David Southwell wrote: On Friday 28 September 2007 10:45:14 Sven Neumann wrote: Hi, On Fri, 2007-09-28 at 04:04 -0700, gimp_user wrote: While the absence of a recognised skill transition route (i.e. no skin similar to PS) is a serious obstacle

[Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop UI

2007-09-27 Thread George Farris
--- gimp_user [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...[GIMP] does not have an interface that makes for an easy user transition from the industry PS standard it is not a tool that is ready for adoption by high quality image makers. FUD your conclusion is only valid for yourself and not others so your

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop UI

2007-09-27 Thread Leon Brooks GIMP
On Friday 28 September 2007 01:00:45 George Farris wrote: If you can provide hard data that backs this up with numbers Unfortunately, this is the Real World(tm), rejection can be as simple as it looks too different. However, I would be interested in hard numbers too. Cheers; Leon

[Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop UI

2007-09-26 Thread Greg
--- gimp_user [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...[GIMP] does not have an interface that makes for an easy user transition from the industry PS standard it is not a tool that is ready for adoption by high quality image makers. I would disagree with this. I use both PS and GIMP and thanks to PH I had

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop UI

2007-09-26 Thread Brendan
On Wednesday 26 September 2007, Greg wrote: --- gimp_user [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...[GIMP] does not have an interface that makes for an easy user transition from the industry PS standard it is not a tool that is ready for adoption by high quality image makers. I would disagree with

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop UI

2007-09-26 Thread jim feldman
Greg wrote: --- gimp_user [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...[GIMP] does not have an interface that makes for an easy user transition from the industry PS standard it is not a tool that is ready for adoption by high quality image makers. I would disagree with this. I use both PS and GIMP

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop UI

2007-09-26 Thread David Gowers
On 9/27/07, Greg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- gimp_user [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...[GIMP] does not have an interface that makes for an easy user transition from the industry PS standard it is not a tool that is ready for adoption by high quality image makers. I would disagree with this.

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop

2006-12-23 Thread Matthew Ridge
On 12/22/06, Doug [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As earlier threads have already pointed out, most non-American English speakers don't know this use of the word; and in a comprehensive dictionary like the Oxford English dictionary, it's noted as a specifically North American usage. FWIW most speakers

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop

2006-12-23 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
dont worry. be happy. just press the delete button. Robert Smits wrote: On Thursday 21 December 2006 17:39, lists wrote: Brendan wrote: On Monday 18 December 2006 19:52, lists wrote: Carter castor wrote: This goes right to the heart of my biggest complaint about GIMP though: its name. I

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop

2006-12-22 Thread David Marrs
Trapper wrote: Most English speakers generally relate gimp to the slang variant, most of us are familiar with it and most of us consider it to be something negative. Can I just change that to most American English speakers? I learnt the meaning of the slang word gimp while reading a

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop

2006-12-22 Thread Doug
Trapper wrote: snip 1. Gimp means to walk with a limp in English and is slang. ... Most English speakers generally relate gimp to the slang variant, most of us are familiar with it and most of us consider it to be something negative. snip It would be very nice if people looked

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop (Zombie Thread)

2006-12-22 Thread Doug
jim wrote: Eric P wrote: I'm lazy, and I don't feel like reading this entire thread (it seems to show up on a regular basis on the list). Were any new, constructive insights brought up? Anyone care to summarize this thread on this exhausting topic? Summary to date: Noobs keep

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop

2006-12-22 Thread Brendan
On Thursday 21 December 2006 23:51, Robert Smits wrote: Oh wait, Geoffrey says Get over it. Everybody with an opinion or actual relevent facts, forget it. Geoffrey said so. If you'll check the bloody archives, you'll see this same subject has been discussed ad nauseam more then once.

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop (Zombie Thread)

2006-12-22 Thread Brendan
On Friday 22 December 2006 02:44, jim wrote: Eric P wrote: I'm lazy, and I don't feel like reading this entire thread (it seems to show up on a regular basis on the list). Were any new, constructive insights brought up? Anyone care to summarize this thread on this exhausting topic?

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop

2006-12-22 Thread Brendan
On Thursday 21 December 2006 21:06, Tom Williams wrote: Brendan wrote: On Monday 18 December 2006 19:52, lists wrote: Carter castor wrote: This goes right to the heart of my biggest complaint about GIMP though: its name. I don't understand why the developers would put so much time and

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop

2006-12-22 Thread operator
/rotflmao :-) lol/ Brendan wrote: On Thursday 21 December 2006 21:06, Tom Williams wrote: Brendan wrote: On Monday 18 December 2006 19:52, lists wrote: Carter castor wrote: This goes right to the heart of my biggest complaint about GIMP though: its name. I don't

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop

2006-12-22 Thread Manish Singh
On Fri, Dec 22, 2006 at 12:25:35AM -0600, Eric P wrote: I'm lazy, and I don't feel like reading this entire thread (it seems to show up on a regular basis on the list). Were any new, constructive insights brought up? Anyone care to summarize this thread on this exhausting topic? Other

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop (Zombie Thread)

2006-12-22 Thread jim
Brendan wrote: On Friday 22 December 2006 02:44, jim wrote: Eric P wrote: I'm lazy, and I don't feel like reading this entire thread (it seems to show up on a regular basis on the list). Were any new, constructive insights brought up? Anyone care to summarize this thread on this exhausting

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop (Zombie Thread)

2006-12-22 Thread jim
I should also mention that this sort of thing comes up on the freebsd lists periodically. If you'd only change the mascot and drop the whole daemon thing, my church/tiny business would decide to use your operating system. Maybe something cute like a penguin or a kitty waving it's paw? (the

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop

2006-12-21 Thread Alexander Rabtchevich
Looking into different English-Russian dictionaries (the most comprehensive ones) I can see the meaning of the word gimp, being discussed here, as the 3-rd or 6-th in the order of usage frequency. Others are (synonyms) 1. galloon, braid 2. spirit, vim 3. may be limp, may be neckerchief 4.

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop

2006-12-21 Thread Matthias Julius
Luca de Alfaro [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - support for color profiles (.icc profiles - how are you going to profile a printer otherwise?) One thing I never understood is: Why do applications have to deal with color profiles? Color profiles are hardware device specific and at least in the

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop

2006-12-21 Thread Brendan
On Monday 18 December 2006 19:52, lists wrote: Carter castor wrote: This goes right to the heart of my biggest complaint about GIMP though: its name. I don't understand why the developers would put so much time and hard work into creating a program as professional as GIMP and then name

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop

2006-12-21 Thread Brendan
Speaking about Gimpression, it could be taken as a copy of the MS Expression at the time being. I think it is a great name, but people tend to exaggerate when it comes to stealing. What? No. Gimpression would NOT be confused with that. I think it's a great name.

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop

2006-12-21 Thread lists
Brendan wrote: On Monday 18 December 2006 19:52, lists wrote: Carter castor wrote: This goes right to the heart of my biggest complaint about GIMP though: its name. I don't understand why the developers would put so much time and hard work into creating a program as professional as GIMP and

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop

2006-12-21 Thread Tom Williams
Brendan wrote: On Monday 18 December 2006 19:52, lists wrote: Carter castor wrote: This goes right to the heart of my biggest complaint about GIMP though: its name. I don't understand why the developers would put so much time and hard work into creating a program as professional as

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop

2006-12-21 Thread Patrick Shanahan
* Tom Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] [12-21-06 21:10]: For example, Sarasota County Area Transit is a name of a transit agency and its acronym is rather interesting. :) Ella would agree, rest her sole. -- Patrick ShanahanRegistered Linux User #207535

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop

2006-12-21 Thread Robert Smits
On Thursday 21 December 2006 17:39, lists wrote: Brendan wrote: On Monday 18 December 2006 19:52, lists wrote: Carter castor wrote: This goes right to the heart of my biggest complaint about GIMP though: its name. I don't understand why the developers would put so much time and hard

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop

2006-12-21 Thread Eric P
I'm lazy, and I don't feel like reading this entire thread (it seems to show up on a regular basis on the list). Were any new, constructive insights brought up? Anyone care to summarize this thread on this exhausting topic? EP ___ Gimp-user mailing

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop

2006-12-20 Thread Luca de Alfaro
For a class, I don't know, but for serious photo work, Photoshop is incredibly more advanced. Some exampes: Color: - support for more than 8 bits/color/pixel (my scanners have 16) - support for color profiles (.icc profiles - how are you going to profile a printer otherwise?) - support for color

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop

2006-12-20 Thread Luca de Alfaro
I, for one, don't believe that open source projects should necessarily avoid slang words. Gimp is a relatively obscure slang word. Let me define this: most English speakers speak English as a second language, and i bet 99% of them are not familiar with the unofficial uses of the word Gimp. From

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop

2006-12-19 Thread Jozef Legeny
On 12/19/06, Toby Haynes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anthony Ettinger wrote: Anyway, instead of flaming, how about some suggestions: Gimpressive Gimpression Out of all the many suggested (re)names, these two are the only two I've ever seen and liked. Maybe because many GNU and GNOME

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop

2006-12-19 Thread Anthony Ettinger
I tried both, but since I'm using GIMP all the time i foundthe photoshop interface mostly chaotic. But I'm sure it must be the same for people who pass from PS to GIMP. Most people are complaining about the amount of windows the GIMP opens, but then virtual desktops handle this problem with

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop

2006-12-18 Thread Anthony Ettinger
On 12/17/06, Tom Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Gowers wrote: On 12/18/06, *Leon Brooks* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anthony Ettinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You may have a point given 2 software boxes on a shelf,

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop

2006-12-18 Thread A. den Oudsten
Olivier Lecarme wrote: Here is my own modest grain of salt in the discussion: I have been teaching Gimp to first-year university students for more than six years, to one or two hundreds students every year. I have never encountered any specific criticism among them about Gimp's GUI. More, I

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop

2006-12-18 Thread David Gowers
On 12/18/06, Anthony Ettinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bring out The Gimp How many people do you really think have seen that movie? For example, English is my native language, and I've never heard this movie reference until it was brought up repeatedly on this mailing list -- this is the

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop

2006-12-18 Thread Anthony Ettinger
On 12/18/06, David Gowers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/18/06, Anthony Ettinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bring out The Gimp How many people do you really think have seen that movie? For example, English is my native language, and I've never heard this movie reference until it was

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop

2006-12-18 Thread Anthony Ettinger
On 12/18/06, Frank McCormick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 17:01:59 -0800 Anthony Ettinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do you sell that to a corporation? How do you market that? The people in business suits are going to

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop

2006-12-18 Thread Patrick Shanahan
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Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop

2006-12-18 Thread Chris Mohler
FWIW, I'm truly sorry for posting *anything* related to this thread, and especially for the nasty tone. I should know better. Chris ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop

2006-12-18 Thread Sven Neumann
Ok, that was too much. I wanted to send you a mail last time already, but I assumed that you did this accidentally. Obviously you didn't. So please, when posting to this list, try not to use HTML mail. And if you absolutely can't turn HTML mail off in your mail client, then at least don't fiddle

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop

2006-12-17 Thread Olivier Lecarme
Here is my own modest grain of salt in the discussion: I have been teaching Gimp to first-year university students for more than six years, to one or two hundreds students every year. I have never encountered any specific criticism among them about Gimp's GUI. More, I cannot understand what seems

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop

2006-12-17 Thread norman
On Sun, 2006-12-17 at 14:23 +0100, Olivier Lecarme wrote: Here is my own modest grain of salt in the discussion: snip Somebody in this list said that teachers have the duty to teach what is an industry standard. My own strong opinion is that one of my duties as a university teacher is to

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop

2006-12-17 Thread Anthony Ettinger
On 12/17/06, norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 2006-12-17 at 14:23 +0100, Olivier Lecarme wrote: Here is my own modest grain of salt in the discussion: snip Somebody in this list said that teachers have the duty to teach what is an industry standard. My own strong opinion is

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop

2006-12-17 Thread Bill Lee
Anthony Ettinger wrote: On 12/17/06, norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 2006-12-17 at 14:23 +0100, Olivier Lecarme wrote: Here is my own modest grain of salt in the discussion: snip Somebody in this list said that teachers have the duty to teach what is an industry standard. My own

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop

2006-12-17 Thread Carter castor
This goes right to the heart of my biggest complaint about GIMP though: its name. I don't understand why the developers would put so much time and hard work into creating a program as professional as GIMP and then name it after a slang word for a disabled person. How do you sell that to a

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop

2006-12-17 Thread John Meyer
Carter castor wrote: This goes right to the heart of my biggest complaint about GIMP though: its name. I don't understand why the developers would put so much time and hard work into creating a program as professional as GIMP and then name it after a slang word for a disabled person. How do

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop

2006-12-17 Thread Carter castor
That 4% needs to be weighed against the proportion of people who use image manipulation programs. A much higher percentage of United States residents edit digital photographs than Nigerian citizens, for example. Personally, I would name it after a famous painting or painter so that people would

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop

2006-12-17 Thread Anthony Ettinger
On 12/17/06, Carter castor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This goes right to the heart of my biggest complaint about GIMP though: its name. I don't understand why the developers would put so much time and hard work into creating a program as professional as GIMP and then name it after a slang word

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop

2006-12-17 Thread Leon Brooks
John Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Carter castor wrote: This goes right to the heart of my biggest complaint about GIMP though: its name. I don't understand why the developers would put so much time and hard work into creating a program as professional as GIMP and then name it after a slang

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop

2006-12-17 Thread Leon Brooks
Anthony Ettinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You may have a point given 2 software boxes on a shelf, Photoshop is more descriptive than Gimp - But that isn't how people acquire Gimp. Today. What about in 3 years' time? Cheers; Leon ___ Gimp-user

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop

2006-12-17 Thread Anthony Ettinger
On 12/17/06, Leon Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anthony Ettinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You may have a point given 2 software boxes on a shelf, Photoshop is more descriptive than Gimp - But that isn't how people acquire Gimp. Today. What about in 3 years' time? I still don't see it

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop

2006-12-17 Thread David Gowers
On 12/18/06, Leon Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anthony Ettinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You may have a point given 2 software boxes on a shelf, Photoshop is more descriptive than Gimp - But that isn't how people acquire Gimp. Today. What about in 3 years' time? I like the proposed

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop

2006-12-17 Thread Tom Williams
David Gowers wrote: On 12/18/06, *Leon Brooks* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anthony Ettinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You may have a point given 2 software boxes on a shelf, Photoshop is more descriptive than Gimp - But that

[Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop

2006-12-16 Thread John R. Culleton
ON another list someone was complaining about the expense nad bother of upgrading to the latest Photoshop, including licenses etc. I suggested Gimp as a no cost/no fuss alternative for students. I received a long reply, much of which I am not technically competent to answer. I have never used

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