Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Rectangle holes

2001-05-07 Thread Dennis Saputelli
great tip, I never realized that! thanks Dennis Saputelli Hamid A. Wasti wrote: It is a bad idea to use an inside radius same as your router bit radius. This requires the router to come to a complete stop and then start moving at 90 degrees. There will invariably be some chatter

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Inner Power Plane clearances

2001-05-07 Thread Dennis Saputelli
have them auotroute some primitives relative to the keep out, which of course would probably make a mess Dennis Saputelli Micky Blain wrote: Do you connect them to the nets you are putting on the plane or just have them around the parameter. This one cost me plenty! What happened

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Deleted Power Planes

2001-05-07 Thread Dennis Saputelli
you have to put it to NO NET before you can remove it from the layer stackup dialog I think you have to remove all entities from the plane too Dennis Saputelli Micky Blain wrote: I have deleted a power plane from my design. It seems that SP6 is not taking this off of the design. I think I

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: DRC --ATTN Mr.Lomax

2001-05-07 Thread Dennis Saputelli
sorry, it's my lame term for the 'update free primitives from component pads' function in the netlist manager menu option Dennis Saputelli Brad Velander wrote: Dennis, can you be more specific in your learning the board? I think I know what you mean but I am not exactly sure

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Designator conventions?!

2001-05-07 Thread Dennis Saputelli
, but I'm sure these are non standard and will cause disagreement this way you can look at a board and have a small idea what is going on the real fun comes in trying to get J $ P to be logical and consistent Dennis Saputelli Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: At 12:24 PM 2/13/01 -0500, [EMAIL

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Rectangle holes

2001-05-07 Thread Dennis Saputelli
if space allows why not just overshoot a bit in the corners, then a rectangular part can fit snugly, I've done this. Dennis Saputelli Andrew J Jenkins wrote: On 09:52 AM 2/15/01 -0800, Hamid A. Wasti said: Andrew J Jenkins wrote: I'd still like to know some more specifics regarding

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Inner Power Plane clearances ISO

2001-05-07 Thread Dennis Saputelli
mil outside routing tolerance, but they responded that they were ISO-9000 and needed a written sign-off for the 'deviation' Unfortunately, I fear this is where we are headed, more nonsense and less service. Dennis Saputelli Micky Blain wrote: Sorry for the reply, I need to show more self

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Inner Power Plane clearances - underfingers?

2001-05-07 Thread Dennis Saputelli
. Dennis Saputelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I place a track (maybe 20 mil) on each power plane around the edge of the outline of the board to prevent the power planes from extending too far. ___ Clive Broome IDT Sydney Design

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: DRC --ATTN Mr.Lomax

2001-05-07 Thread Dennis Saputelli
-load the netlist without problems since learning the board can introduce unintended issues Dennis Saputelli Bryan Bernesi wrote: Hello, I don't know what I did, but after I transfered my netlist from SCH to PCB (following your clear instructions in the previous email), the Online DRC

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: DDB files won't compress?

2001-05-07 Thread Dennis Saputelli
did you empty the recycle bin before compress? BTW, I finally turned off compress on exit, too slow to tolerate. Dennis Saputelli Mark HARRISON wrote: Hi, I noticed a Protel 99SE SP6 .ddb project had grown to 24 Mbytes and took a long time to open. No amount of clearing out the garbage

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Sheet entries don't need a matchingport to connect nets?

2001-05-07 Thread Dennis Saputelli
but not across sheets that's another argument for 'nets and ports global' Dennis Saputelli Drew Lundsten wrote: Apparently it's possible to put a sheet entry called e.g. RST# and regardless of whether the corresponding sheet has a RST# port, the nets will be connected. This relates to my

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: mech layers.

2001-05-07 Thread Dennis Saputelli
the outline, this is the most useful thing since the new layer another layer for fab details a layer for mech interferences and enclosure ref a layer for little whichies used to ref to box dwgs via dxf and probably more I forgot Dennis Saputelli Jim Parr wrote: Mr. Lomax, I, for one am very

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Relief on Vias

2001-05-07 Thread Dennis Saputelli
I think that's just the way it is you can do a convert to pads and rebuild but why do you want it that way? Dennis Saputelli Kirk Haderlie wrote: We do a ground polygon fill on the top and bottom of our boards. Has anyone been successful getting relief connections on vias? I have tried

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Best layer arrangement

2001-05-07 Thread Dennis Saputelli
do you mean that the midlayer2-4 were all routing layers, not plane layers? poured planes? Dennis Saputelli Brian Guralnick wrote: Hi Georg, Here is my successful 6 layer 200Mhz design with high speed digital on top bottom, and analog on top. 1.5 ns typical rise fall times, 75db

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Plane Stitching

2001-05-07 Thread Dennis Saputelli
with the rest of the reflow bye bye wave for the remaining cases where that doesn't work people are often using selective fountain spray soldering so this means that in the long those vias aren't going to get filled and will have to posses adequate quality without being filled (IMHO) Dennis Saputelli Brad

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: newbie can't get power and groundplanesto connect up

2001-05-07 Thread Dennis Saputelli
there are many situations where shorted outputs are appropriate (open collector, unpopulated chips and more), I don't always make them passive I just try to minimize the overhead and put an emphasis on open inputs Dennis Saputelli Brad Velander wrote: Dennis, I am curious, why do you

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: newbie can't get power and groundplanesto connect up

2001-05-07 Thread Dennis Saputelli
. not perfect, but it has sped me up without problems (yet) Dennis Saputelli Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: At 03:48 PM 2/27/01 -0700, Colby - PowerStream wrote: ERC is a subject I will leave open for anyone that uses it, I do not. So it sounds like the first problem to tackle is to make sure

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Copy combos

2001-05-07 Thread Dennis Saputelli
perhaps he is talking about reference point maybe he is referring to the 'snap to center' bug pre-SP6 if so turn off snap to center before paste Dennis Saputelli Brad Velander wrote: Rene, are you using paste special to paste your PCBs? Without the paste special and selecting

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Problem with the DRILL Drawing table -Protel 99SE SP6

2001-05-07 Thread Dennis Saputelli
I think we heard this about SP6 does the .DRR file look correct? I think maybe it's just the gerber plots Dennis Saputelli Brooks,Bill wrote: I just installed the SP6 on our Protel 99SE software a week ago... We use the size of hole string as the code for the hole location on our drill

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Resizing Fills (was Suggestions forimproving Protel...)

2001-05-07 Thread Dennis Saputelli
the particulars of the technique, I'm sure it could be improved or made more like other apps Dennis Saputelli David W. Gulley wrote: Geoff Harland wrote: snip - (Pcb Server): Add support for *resizing* of a currently-focused fill primitive using the *mouse*. That is, if you click

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Printing to PDF...

2001-05-07 Thread Dennis Saputelli
acrobat 4 will also allow you to gather individual schem pdfs into a multi sheet pdf document. Dennis Saputelli Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: With what I know now about PDF, I'd definitely buy whatever it took to get the ability to write it, and I might buy Acrobat anyway, because of all

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Project hierarchy won't re-assemble

2001-05-07 Thread Dennis Saputelli
hit F5 just like windoze it's also on a menu I think Dennis Saputelli Linden Doyle wrote: Thanks Terry, I can't see a refresh command on the right-click menu but I have managed to fix my problem. It all came good after I opened each file and saved each file (no mods done

Re: [PEDA] AW: [PROTEL EDA USERS]: just dump your inch,pound and gallon (Ex: Confused Newbie on Footprints)

2001-05-07 Thread Dennis Saputelli
I got into an argument once with a German fellow in which I claimed inches were 'better' I challenged him to a contest in which we drew various closely spaced lines on a pc of paper and then eyeballed the spacing I lost then I found out he was a dentist! Dennis Saputelli Georg Beckmann wrote

Re: [PEDA] why bother

2001-05-07 Thread Dennis Saputelli
and certainly not linear. Dennis Saputelli Ian Wilson wrote: We seem to be locking horns today ;-) On 05:58 PM 14/03/2001 -0800, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax said: It's important to realize that CAD programs may be thoroughly checked for bugs, but when they hit the real world, they may be fed data

Re: [PEDA] Questions about upgrading to 99SE

2001-05-07 Thread Dennis Saputelli
) Dennis Saputelli Bagotronix Tech Support wrote: Hello, all: I have purchased the upgrade to Protel 99SE. It has been sitting in the box for about 3 months now, waiting for my new computer hardware to arrive. The old computer (circa 1996 Dell) can't run 99SE. Not enough RAM (64MB, can't add

Re: [PEDA] .Legend on the Drill Drawing layer.

2001-05-07 Thread Dennis Saputelli
I believe that in SP6 they f'd up the legend and that it is wrong. The drill report file is correct. Dennis Saputelli Brad Velander wrote: Luo, one of my first thoughts points me toward something that has bitten me recently. Do you by chance have any pads that are one layer (top

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: apparent Pad/Net lowercase bug

2001-05-07 Thread Dennis Saputelli
into it. seems like I remember that they enforce caps on pad names, or at least they used to. Dennis Saputelli -- ___ www.integratedcontrolsinc.comIntegrated Controls, Inc. tel: 415-647-0480

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Sheet entries don't need a matchingport to connect nets?

2001-05-07 Thread Dennis Saputelli
ultimately assumes the form of a Bill of Materials and Assembly Instructions and only us geeks can even peripherally understand the original schematic anyway. Of course forge ahead with whatever works for you this is just my 3 cents ... Dennis Saputelli van de Werken, Matthew (DEM, PH) wrote

Re: [PEDA] Creating Assembly Drawings

2001-05-07 Thread Dennis Saputelli
layer and then PURGE this way when you pop it into another .dwg it doesn't spew layers into that dwg Dennis Saputelli Ian Wilson wrote: On 12:10 PM 2/04/2001 -0400, Andy Lintz said: I use Autocad for assembly drawings, and I also was plagued by huge files and long redraw times until I learned

Re: [PEDA] Negative Text and/or Components

2001-05-07 Thread Dennis Saputelli
i have created negative text this way, I put a sample on egroups some time ago bit of a pain though, don't think it's really nec Dennis Saputelli Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: At 01:43 PM 3/27/01 -0500, Thomas Sprunger wrote: I am trying to find a way to place text and components on ground

Re: [PEDA] Design Rules - Region Scope

2001-05-07 Thread Dennis Saputelli
I think it is maybe gone fraught with pitfalls anyway if you move the board around on the workspace, I remember getting burned on that once Dennis Saputelli Linden Doyle wrote: Greetings all, Has anyone had reason to use the REGION scope mentioned in the Design Rule section

Re: [PEDA] Anyone else seeing unstable Desktop Icons?

2001-05-07 Thread Dennis Saputelli
I don't know about NT or 2000 but it WIN98 you can rebuild icons by simply going to desktop appearance and tweak or pretend to tweak the icon size my icons go bad all the time, don't know why it's not particularly protel Dennis Saputelli Frank Gilley wrote: Phil, Memory corruption of icons

Re: [PEDA] Creating custom design rules?

2001-05-07 Thread Dennis Saputelli
what is the distance from the silkscreen line to the pad? silkscreen tolerance is not real tight Dennis Saputelli Steve Wiseman wrote: On Wed, 11 Apr 2001, John Haddy wrote: I need hand placement for prototypes and a sea of pads without bounding boxes to guide a human is just asking

Re: [PEDA] Gold Emersion

2001-05-07 Thread Dennis Saputelli
but what about electro plated full body gold over nickel, isn't that ok? I have heard of (actually read about) BGAs having cracked joints due to shock when boards are immersion gold plated. Dennis Saputelli Mark E Witherite wrote: Hi, The Gold causes enbrittlement. NASA now

Re: [PEDA] TweakUI

2001-05-07 Thread Dennis Saputelli
it doesn't do that it will control progs which run at startup and let you remove the little arrow on icons for shortcuts and some other useless and useful stuff I don't see the rearrangement you describe but my desktop and tray icons all turn into random duplicate icons almost every day Dennis

Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Deleted Power Planes

2001-05-07 Thread Dennis Saputelli
not rename the plane, set the plane to NO NET net (after previously deleting all primitives from the plane) then you can delete the plane in the stack manager Dennis Saputelli Micky Blain wrote: OK that is what happened, I will try and rename the plane prior to deleting. Thanks

Re: [PEDA] Layer Stackup Legend does not work !!!!! Protel Support does not solve this problem

2001-07-06 Thread Dennis Saputelli
my god, i never saw the Layer Stackup Legend menu item on the Tools Menu it would have saved hours of drawing all that junk of course ours looked better than this but i think it looks like it will be adequate Dennis Saputelli Rudolf Schaffer wrote: Hello Wolfgang, I had the same problem

Re: [PEDA] Layer Stackup Legend

2001-07-06 Thread Dennis Saputelli
was this in the 'new features' list of some SP ? if so, I sure missed it Dennis Saputelli Michael Reagan wrote: my god, i never saw the Layer Stackup Legend menu item on the Tools Menu it would have saved hours of drawing all that junk of course ours looked better than this but i

Re: [PEDA] import/export PCB layouts to Solidworks

2001-07-07 Thread Dennis Saputelli
hello I am interested in the solidworks plugin for Protel I just bought solidworks, but have not loaded it or learned it yet what is the program that you offer called? is there any sort of trial or satisfaction guarantee? Dennis Saputelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry for my tardy

Re: [PEDA] import/export PCB layouts to Solidworks

2001-07-07 Thread Dennis Saputelli
sorry, i meant to send this off list Dennis Saputelli wrote: hello I am interested in the solidworks plugin for Protel I just bought solidworks, but have not loaded it or learned it yet what is the program that you offer called? is there any sort of trial or satisfaction guarantee

Re: [PEDA] How do I unlock component strings ?

2001-07-09 Thread Dennis Saputelli
i think i remember running into this as i recall I had to go back to 2.8 to fix it up for re-import Dennis Saputelli Linden Doyle wrote: Greetings all, How do I unlock component strings ? I didn't even know they could be locked. I am editing a legacy design using 99SE

Re: [PEDA] Layer Stackup Info.

2001-07-09 Thread Dennis Saputelli
this is why business guys still fly all over to meet face to face, it's easier and better Dennis Saputelli -- ___ www.integratedcontrolsinc.comIntegrated Controls, Inc. tel: 415-647-0480

Re: [PEDA] New on-line PCB quoting service for Protel 99 SE

2001-07-11 Thread Dennis Saputelli
I will second Gordon Price's comments and feeling about this topic Dennis Saputelli Gordon Price wrote: Dear Brent, This is really a stupid idea, as I have mentioned before. We are interested in getting Protel 99 SE to work in a stable way, not how you can broaden your market

Re: [PEDA] New on-line PCB quoting service for Protel 99 SE

2001-07-11 Thread Dennis Saputelli
in your pad designators and pop up Java apps that display the bottle labels on your PCB workspace as you work. Now that would be real progress. Dennis Saputelli Phil So wrote: Brad Good point. How much control does Protel have over pcbmarketplace.com? If it is as little as the control we

Re: [PEDA] Thermal Reliefs to Internal Planes

2001-07-12 Thread Dennis Saputelli
the pad is round in the inner layers Dennis Saputelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'm completing my first board, in 99SE SP5, with connections to internal planes. I've noticed some questionable behavior and I'd like to confirm my experience is normal. 1.) Protel does not create

Re: [PEDA] need uMAX10 footprint

2001-07-12 Thread Dennis Saputelli
? it actually might, or maybe it might not, but someone or some entity has to pay as somebody once quipped the best number of standards is either one or infinity sorry to have rambled and good luck with your footprint Dennis Saputelli Bagotronix Tech Support wrote: Hello, all: Does anyone

Re: [PEDA] need uMAX10 footprint

2001-07-13 Thread Dennis Saputelli
one last thought on this it may not matter what footprint you use because when you really get rolling and really need the chips they won't be available it is Maxim you know :) Dennis Saputelli

Re: [PEDA] need uMAX10 footprint

2001-07-13 Thread Dennis Saputelli
their game plan is to throw as many part types as they can against the wall and see which ones stick it works for them because the real money is in very high volume for which there is usually enough planning and time for the smaller guys ... Dennis Saputelli Bagotronix Tech Support wrote

Re: [PEDA] need uMAX10 footprint

2001-07-15 Thread Dennis Saputelli
this sounds ok and potentially worthwhile ($175/yr) but what is the cost to get in initially? Dennis Saputelli Brad Velander wrote: Ivan, can you point me directly towards a detail for the package size? I will then send you the footprint I would use from SMT+ 's footprint patterns

Re: [PEDA] need uMAX10 footprint

2001-07-16 Thread Dennis Saputelli
thanks Brad so i take it you think it is worth it? Dennis Saputelli Brad Velander wrote: Dennis, the initial cost for the software based version is $595USD for a three user license (they don't have a single user license). The book version is now a single CDROM and it is priced

Re: [PEDA] need uMAX10 footprint

2001-07-16 Thread Dennis Saputelli
their parts are good but I have not had your experience with availability Dennis Saputelli Madhu Annapragada wrote: Just to jump in in defense of Maxim...I use a lot of their power supply and communication related parts (MAX724, MAX1480, MAX1490, MAX488 etc...) and they have been very good

Re: [PEDA] need uMAX10 footprint

2001-07-16 Thread Dennis Saputelli
that's a great recommendation i guess now i'll have to buy it! thanks Dennis Saputelli Brad Velander wrote: Dennis, yes I think it is worth it. I have used the SMT+ system for approx. 7 years. Formerly I was sitting and doing the calculations by hand based upon their methods

Re: [PEDA] Complex Selection

2001-07-17 Thread Dennis Saputelli
SP6? elec snap on? sometimes I reckon the amounts first and point in space somewhere for the ref point and make the move you can also use a transparent Jump to location and type in the second point Dennis Saputelli Kirk Haderlie wrote: I am trying to move a set of components as a complex

Re: [PEDA] caution with move ddb path

2001-07-18 Thread Dennis Saputelli
path of the DDB and if that changes it is not happy at all I would suggest until they fix this stupid mess that instead of moving or copying DDB's always create a fresh one in the desired location and drag the files into that from the other one Dennis Saputelli

Re: [PEDA] next rev of PCB and Schematics

2001-07-18 Thread Dennis Saputelli
no no see my message today caution I have experienced problems with this method you describe many times these problems are not immediately obvious i suggest to start a new ddb and drag files in there for revision or tuck them in a folder of the current ddb Dennis Saputelli Jaurique, Brad wrote

Re: [PEDA] caution with move ddb path

2001-07-19 Thread Dennis Saputelli
in for the given operation Does Protel have a comment on why there is not a File Save As for DDB's ? I think this must relate. Dennis Saputelli Dennis, Further to the above. I almost always use the Synch and so do others working on the same DDBs. We routinely copy (MS-Access) DDBs about - from

Re: [PEDA] Bow Twist

2001-07-19 Thread Dennis Saputelli
I've occasionally had boards received nice and flat from board fab, and then have substantial bow and twist after assembly Dennis Saputelli Brian Guralnick wrote: Also, bow twist for a flex PCB is a whole new ball game. _ Brian Guralnick - Original Message - From

Re: [PEDA] Bow Twist

2001-07-20 Thread Dennis Saputelli
yes I'm sure that was the problem on a few occasions Dennis Saputelli Harry Selfridge wrote: It sounds like your wave soldering process is not set up correctly. The boards should be evenly heated through before wave soldering, then cooled uniformly. What you describe happens when

Re: [PEDA] GRAPHIC IN SCH PART - PROBLEMATIC ?

2001-07-22 Thread Dennis Saputelli
nice paper, but it seems like maybe it is a bad idea, too bad. what do you think? Dennis Saputelli -- ___ www.integratedcontrolsinc.comIntegrated Controls, Inc. tel: 415-647-0480

Re: [PEDA] solution? GRAPHIC IN SCH PART - PROBLEMATIC ?

2001-07-22 Thread Dennis Saputelli
and now, at least for the moment, it seems to work if this continues to work I think it will be adequate as it can easily travel in the DDB Dennis Saputelli Dennis Saputelli wrote: I had what I thought was a great idea, now not so sure... I did a screen cap off a power ic data sheet pdf

Re: [PEDA] a lib. for everyone

2001-07-24 Thread Dennis Saputelli
wow, what ambition! can you pls explain: 2 There is a conductive fence on the lowest layer as to avoid part placement conflicts a little more? lowest layer = bottom layer? and how does conductive help? Dennis Saputelli Ted Tontis wrote: The standards are all ready set. I do not have

Re: [PEDA] a lib. for everyone

2001-07-26 Thread Dennis Saputelli
Dennis Saputelli Steve Wiseman wrote: On Thu, 26 Jul 2001, Ian Middleton wrote: It could also ask about paste, solder, plating and tenting overrides as well. It could also allow mixing on units when entering (mills and mm). you can type xxxmm and yyymil - works nicely. The rest

Re: [PEDA] ClientBasic footprint generator.

2001-07-26 Thread Dennis Saputelli
it' Dennis Saputelli -- ___ www.integratedcontrolsinc.comIntegrated Controls, Inc. tel: 415-647-04802851 21st Street fax: 415-647-3003San

Re: [PEDA] The Mysteries of Altium, Jeraldo investigates stay tuned.

2001-08-08 Thread Dennis Saputelli
get up, stretch and smell the flowers! some busybody ergonomic lawmaker will probably legislate instability someday Dennis Saputelli Brad Velander wrote: Hi all, this is just to find out if anybody else has experienced the following aberrations. And do you have any way of recovering

Re: [PEDA] alt 5 time The Mysteries of Altium, Jeraldo investigates stay tuned.

2001-08-08 Thread Dennis Saputelli
, this is very reliable in restoring the state of whatever went out of sync in the first place Dennis Saputelli -- ___ www.integratedcontrolsinc.comIntegrated Controls, Inc. tel: 415-647-0480

Re: [PEDA] Logo's for FCC, UL and CE ?

2001-08-08 Thread Dennis Saputelli
the requirements of CE are very simple: you must comply with all applicable regulations and requirements (loosely paraphrased) unfortunately I am not kidding here Dennis Saputelli -- ___ www.integratedcontrolsinc.com

Re: [PEDA] reg clean ? Rotate components with drag tracks

2001-08-09 Thread Dennis Saputelli
how did you clean the registry and what OS are you using? Dennis Saputelli Dave Eloranta wrote: Hi I was without the hole size editor for several months, then I lost x-y coordinate display for library editing only. The only solution for me was to completely uninstall all things Protel

Re: [PEDA] Camtastic or Protel?

2001-08-16 Thread Dennis Saputelli
we use protel use paste special on a copy of the board set keep nets, dupe desigs works pretty well Dennis Saputelli Tony Karavidas wrote: Does anyone have a good procedure for PCB panelization? I've tried it in Protel (99SE), and it wants to connect all the nets (which I understand). When

Re: [PEDA] Printing problems

2001-08-27 Thread Dennis Saputelli
i have no probs w/ win2K and HP LJ 4 plus Dennis Saputelli Andrew J Jenkins wrote: On 10:28 PM 8/27/2001 +0800, Kathy Quinlan wrote: Hi all, I am running Protel 99SE with SP6 under WIN2K SP2. when I try to print a PCB I get an access violation in module address 034de544

Re: [PEDA] None

2001-09-04 Thread Dennis Saputelli
use the layer specific keepout tracks they work they look like tracks at first until you look at them closely they don't plot with the real tracks Dennis Saputelli Evan Scarborough wrote: Greetings all, Is there a way to set up a design rule so that the defined keepout areas only affect

Re: [PEDA] Process Identifiers

2001-09-04 Thread Dennis Saputelli
is that nominally a right click type of thing? if so and it is popping up on a left click then you can clear it by holding the right shift key down and right clicking somewhere in space or maybe it's a left click, it hasn't happened lately Dennis Saputelli Brad Velander wrote: Rob

Re: [PEDA] 3d Solids Modelling pkg

2001-09-04 Thread Dennis Saputelli
will take an upfront committent of time to get going Dennis Saputelli Don Ingram wrote: Hi All, We are looking for a 3D cad pkg for generating components enclosures etc for product design. $7K is a bit steep for us for Autocad or Solidworks given the frequency of use. ( at least for now ) Does

Re: [PEDA] gerber gen troubles

2001-09-04 Thread Dennis Saputelli
TWO sets of Gerbers with the both old name and the new name! 47 files in all, all made in one pass, all in the same folder more bush league behavoir IMHO Dennis Saputelli -- ___ www.integratedcontrolsinc.com

Re: [PEDA] gerber gen troubles

2001-09-05 Thread Dennis Saputelli
thanks! i never thought of that in fact i never looked at the internal files at all, ever yes was only looking at time stamps i will check this out and report back Dennis Saputelli Brad Velander wrote: Dennis, I think that something is hooped in your Protel. I do the sort of thing

Re: [PEDA] via tenting question

2001-09-12 Thread Dennis Saputelli
so what was the pad size? 32 ? (22+5+5) Dennis Saputelli ICT Mail wrote: Ivan, we have found that the best solution is PARTIAL TENTING. ie You need to cover the annular ring with mask but leave the hole free. This allows the via to be flushed of any residual etching chemicals

Re: [PEDA] Bug query?

2001-09-17 Thread Dennis Saputelli
or touching the window bounding box (aka crossing) that wouldn't make life too much harder and would be very useful i think we hosed a bd once which we probably wouldn't have if that crossing feature was there Dennis Saputelli Bruce Walter wrote: Sure, I can see the usefulness of this. However

Re: [PEDA] Windows 2000

2001-09-25 Thread Dennis Saputelli
while says can't close 'end task?' Dennis Saputelli Ron Tupa wrote: Just loaded Service Pack 6 for Protel 99SE under Windows 2000. When we shut down, it hangs there for about a minute, then a message, Program not responding , Program will be shut down and then shuts down. Has anyone else

Re: [PEDA] Windows 2000

2001-09-25 Thread Dennis Saputelli
Brian could you elaborate a bit on this? your comment means nothing to me thanks Dennis Saputelli Brian Guralnick wrote: It's called the SBLive drivers. Brian Guralnick - Original Message - From: Colin Weber [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL

Re: [PEDA] Windows 2000

2001-09-25 Thread Dennis Saputelli
of work, backup file empty, must have been just being written BTW, news.creativelabs.com does not appear to be a good URL after all this i don't even know what Liveware is! Dennis Saputelli Brian Guralnick wrote: Go to : http://www.microsoft.com/technet/mpsa/start.aspWin2K only! and install

Re: [PEDA] True statement?

2001-10-03 Thread Dennis Saputelli
by Cliff? Dennis Saputelli Mike Reagan wrote: Well stated Cliff, I am keeping your email for reference and testimony to expel the CAD demons. I felt the same way about PADS but you stated it much better. Mike Reagan EDSI Frederick MD ~~ Cliff Gerhard, P.E

Re: [PEDA] Dual pad components

2001-10-05 Thread Dennis Saputelli
*** Todays forums are sponsored by Ian Martin Limited Engineering/Technical Placement Specialists www.ianmartin.com *** that's what i do too it works fine for me Dennis Saputelli [EMAIL

Re: [PEDA] Dual pad components

2001-10-05 Thread Dennis Saputelli
dual foot print SO8 and DIP8 good for development and then production Dennis Saputelli Dan Beaudoin wrote: Another way to deal with through holes for surface mount components is just to place the through holes as free primatives and make the surface mount pads the actual component pads

Re: [PEDA] gerbers from a scan ??

2001-10-18 Thread Dennis Saputelli
i have heard of this working, if i were doing it i think i would re-draw the thing in protel on top of the imported gerber don't forget you're going to need a good drill file too! good luck and keep us posted Dennis Saputelli Robison Michael R CNIN wrote: hello, i guess our customer

Re: [PEDA] Political messages (Ex: THIS SAYS IT ALL)

2001-10-23 Thread Dennis Saputelli
BECAUSE INTERNATIONAL READERS WILL BE JUST AS DEAD AS THIS TERRORISM SPREADS AROUND THE WORLD Dennis Saputelli Ian Wilson wrote: I, for one, did not need to know about this stuff. This is a Protel list and not a political forum. Why would international readers wish to know about

Re: [PEDA] ATS

2001-10-31 Thread Dennis Saputelli
commercial standards protel probably knows pretty well what they are doing and they will probably get away with it simply because everybody else will be doing it too the market will in the end determine whether this works, i.e. if there is sufficient value to warrant the fees Dennis Saputelli

Re: [PEDA] keepoutlayer and planes ??

2001-11-08 Thread Dennis Saputelli
to the board shop good luck Dennis Saputelli Robison Michael R CNIN wrote: hello, we're duplicating some legacy boards. in order to avoid flight testing i hand-routed the traces to match the old artwork. i believe that i just came close to making a SERIOUS mistake. i used the pcb wizard

Re: [PEDA] keepoutlayer and planes ??

2001-11-08 Thread Dennis Saputelli
technically and to be pedantic you should say Place Line (not track) Dennis Saputelli Ian Wilson wrote: On 03:29 PM 8/11/2001 -0500, Robison Michael R CNIN said: hello, my questions: 1. the dark green i'm seeing represents the negative, or holes, in the power plane, correct

Re: [PEDA] keepoutlayer and planes ??

2001-11-08 Thread Dennis Saputelli
i bet they pulled them back as SOP Dennis Saputelli Nicholas Cobb wrote: Someone please correct me if I am wrong, but I thought that the power plane clearance rule in the manufacturing section also included clearance from the keepout layer around the edge of the board. So far, I have never

Re: [PEDA] Multi-Part Components

2001-11-13 Thread Dennis Saputelli
i usually place the first part and then fill out all the fields and then use copy paste for the subsequent parts Dennis Saputelli Stephen Smith wrote: When a multi-part component is placed on the schematic, and you need to set, or change the footprint; why do you have to change it for each

Re: [PEDA] ERC (schematic) buglet

2001-11-13 Thread Dennis Saputelli
you might be making trouble for yourself by not using the ddb we have not (yet!) had a problem with it it also spews enoughs backups onto the drive outside of the ddb that i wouldn't worry too much about it Dennis Saputelli Steve Wiseman wrote: On Tue, 13 Nov 2001, Ian Wilson wrote: I

Re: [PEDA] Multi-Part Components

2001-11-13 Thread Dennis Saputelli
every time i tried that there was something it did that i didn't want to do too bad it's almost useful Dennis Saputelli Colin Weber wrote: Also, don't forget about Morphing (or Replication). Protel's best kept secret. The Schematic editor allows objects being placed to copy all

Re: [PEDA] Multi-Part Components

2001-11-14 Thread Dennis Saputelli
what i meant was that i wished it would pick up certain attributes and not others or all attributes Dennis Saputelli Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: At 01:06 PM 11/13/01 -0800, Dennis Saputelli wrote: every time i tried that there was something it did that i didn't want to do too bad it's

Re: [PEDA] Full Path and Mapped Drives

2001-11-14 Thread Dennis Saputelli
don't forget to close protel first though Dennis Saputelli Colin Weber wrote: Edit the c:\windows\Client99SE.INI file and delete them from [Closed Files List] . At 05:22 PM 14/11/2001 +, you wrote: Also, is there a way to clear the recently opened files list from the File Menu

Re: [PEDA] was multi part and Orcad Capture

2001-11-14 Thread Dennis Saputelli
rather draw a schematic in protel though ... Dennis Saputelli Jon Elson wrote: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: At 01:06 PM 11/13/01 -0800, Dennis Saputelli wrote: every time i tried that there was something it did that i didn't want to do too bad it's almost useful I had the opposite

Re: [PEDA] Exporting a schematic as a simple jpg, bmp, gif, etc.

2001-11-14 Thread Dennis Saputelli
Dwight wrote: When we want a picture of a schematic that others can view, we print to a pdf file using Acrobat Distiller. (Acrobat PDFWriter works similarly, but Distiller seems to give slightly more accurate results.) i too have found distiller slightly (noticeably) better Dennis

Re: [PEDA] Morphing

2001-11-14 Thread Dennis Saputelli
what! now that sounds really useful, never tried it Dennis Saputelli Brendon Slade wrote: This can be used for nearly all objects, text, lines etc. you can also drag a current object over another to get the cloning to work. I've also found you can clone between different object

Re: [PEDA] Using 3D

2001-11-15 Thread Dennis Saputelli
re this particular 'feature' 'marketing fluff' is putting it kindly Dennis Saputelli Paul Hutchinson wrote: In other words, if they lead someone to buy the program, Protel is going to have one angry user when he realizes he's been sold a pig in a poke. I suppose they hope

Re: [PEDA] Protel's Good/Bad points (WAS:Using 3D)

2001-11-19 Thread Dennis Saputelli
my P99 is very stable 1.4G P4 1G ram W2k no anti virus, no norton, lots of other programs Dennis Saputelli Tony Karavidas wrote: Jason, you crack me up. First you complain about bugs in Protel, then you say it's your IT guy's problem because he wants to patch the OS even when

Re: [PEDA] Windows XP

2001-11-20 Thread Dennis Saputelli
my cpu vendor said i had latest w2k sp's (about 2-3 months ago) but i still have 'lingering Client99.exes' is there a way to tell my serv pack status in w2k ? i don't want to go to MS and 'update' unless i have to Dennis Saputelli Brian Guralnick wrote: You seem to be describing the SP1

Re: [PEDA] Windows XP

2001-11-20 Thread Dennis Saputelli
is configured as 'dockable' then display, IDE and SCSI adapters are ignored as elements of detecting hardware changes if interested: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/evaluate/xpactiv.asp Dennis Saputelli Mark Richards wrote: This thread is getting to be a bit off-topic

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