Jody,
The only Tibetan I've heard much from is the current Dalai Lama, and I find
his hypocrisy disappointing.
...Bill!
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Of Jody W. Ianuzzi
Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2010 4:15 AM
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Kirk,
My comments are embedded below:
You wrote:
In my estimation there really is no way to assert what Zen is, whether you are
restricting it to zazen; or opening it to a wider religious and cultural
discussion...
[Bill!] No way to assert what Zen is? How sad...
I think it is safe to
JMJM,
Thanks for your reply.
I've numbered your points so I can refer to them more easily.
The zen I practice, the items that seem to be the same are 3, 4, 5 and 6;
although I'd have to investigate what you mean by 3 and 6 before I could be
100% sure.
As you know I consider both chi and
Mayka,
It’s quite an involved situation. Too much for me to elaborate on here.
I will just say that I have a real concern on whether the traditional social
and cultural structure of Tibet is worth saving. It involves supporting a
privileged religious class at the expense of the lay people.
Mayka,
I do not need to know anything about history, whether written in English,
Spanish or Chinese to determine whether or not the Basque (or Kurds or Tibetan
or American Indian) people have their own country. I need only to look on a
map, or consult a list of countries that are recognized
or not they can be consifered Buddhism
Anthony
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Kirk,
I heard the imam behind the controversial Islam Community Center near
Ground Zero in NYC is a Sufi Muslim.
Sufism is described as a mystical practice within Islam - a subset of Islam
just as most people would classify Zen as a subset of Mahayana Buddhism
which of course is a
Anthony,
My comment about karma was directed to those who consider karma when (or
before) acting, altering their actions to avoid 'bad' karma or to accumulate
'good' karma. In that way karma is just another concept that rewards good
actions and punishes bad actions. Like Heaven and Hell.
Artie,
Crystal!
...Bill!
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Of roloro1557
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 5:22 PM
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Zen] Other traditions
I agree with Bill on this very much. When people ask me I tell them
Artie,
Commoditization is just another culture item we (the USA) have to share with
the world.
Let the sharing begin!
..Bill!
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Of roloro1557
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 5:39 PM
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Anthony,
There may not be any theories better than karma. But just as zen (in my
opinion) is not mystical, zen is also not theoretical. Zen is apparent, clear,
manifest, evident and perspicuous. Zen is definite, actual and real. Zen is
Just THIS!
...Bill!
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Chris and Artie,
I assume from the context the Sufi use of the term 'beloved' is equivalent
to the Zen Buddhist term 'Buddha Nature'.
What are your thoughts? .Bill!
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Of roloro1557
Sent: Wednesday, September
Artie,
There is nothing that needs to be done. True.
As in the case of a 'Beloved'. There is nothing that needs to be done.
Love is complete unto itself. If you truly love someone you don't need to
do anything more. Loving is enough.
...Bill!
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Tim,
You wrote:
[Tim] I have a friend who is has been very resistant to letting me or anyone
or herself try to end her death wish and painful way of being. But I'm gong
to be very insistent in till she decides to try and save her life or tells
me to get lost. The soft sell for 15 years has not
DP,
A 10 minute session is good. Try to make this a daily session. It
shouldn't be too hard to carve out 10 minutes each day for zazen.
What do you do when you sit? I mean how do you approach it? Do you count
breathes, stare at a spot, visualize something, think good thoughts or
Ed,
I personally dont think these kinds of posts are appropriate for the Zen
Forum.
I read the post and thought it was very informative and interesting. Im
better informed for reading it. But
the better we focus the posting on the
Zen Forum to zen, I think the better the forum will
DP,
I think you are drawn into arguments with people like these either out of
compassion or ego. If you engage with them thinking you might help them,
that could be compassion. If you engage with them to defend your beliefs or
yourself (your self), then it is ego-related.
I consider
DP,
That sounds good. Keep it up!
.Bill!
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Of DP
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 9:16 AM
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Zen] I did zazen again for the first time in a long while...
I
Ed,
Anything and everything COULD be regarded as relevant to zen practice. That
determination is up to you.
Do you think this posting is relevant to your zen practice, or would be
relevant or helpful to someone else's zen practice? If so how?
I'm much more interested in what YOU have to say
Ed,
You wrote:
Who am I that you or anyone else should want to hear what I have to say?
After all, on the Internet, over a decade and half and after tens of
thousands of posts, nobody has ever said to me that they learned anything
from any of my perspectives.
[Bill!] I want to hear what YOU
DP,
My comments are embedded below:
I've thought some more about my problrm with getting into arguments on the
internet. I think that the internet has fueled a certain type of ugliness in
arguments, with its tendency towards short comments that snipe at miniscule
errors in one's posts. I want
DP,
My comments are embedded below:
It's mostly defensiveness, because these are people who try to claim that
atheists are more intelligent/morally upright/ saner than people who
believe, and some even argue that all religion should somehow be abolished
(hence the fact that even Buddhism
DP,
You can post here on whatever subject you want - within reason.
This is a zen forum so in my opinion the posts should somehow be related to
zen - but that's just my opinion. I think if you want to post, for example,
on how to tear down a small-block Chevy V-8 engine there are more
DP,
Asking if this makes sense is asking if it is rational, and that is what Jack
Kornfield (and I) would call illusions.
Jack Kornfield is correct. Just pure sensory experience without any thinking
or judging – only awareness. That’s why I call it Just THIS!
Just THIS! is Buddha
DP,
In my opinion zen practice is not at all dependent upon cognitive abilities.
In fact the usual beginning training is all geared to lead you to the point
where you stop your cognitive processes.
Zen practice is only dependent upon sensory awareness, only experiencing -
not rationalizing
Gunnar - Welcome! I'm glad to have more people on the Forum that are in my
general time zone.Bill!
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Of gunnar19632000
Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 2:52 PM
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Zen] Hello(from
DP and Mike,
I've seen faith and I think it's okay.Bill!
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Of DP
Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 10:41 PM
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church.
Edgar and Ed,
Determining what is illusion is a very simple matter, and can't be put into
words at all.
Just sit. Or if you don't know how, find a zendo somewhere near you and get
some instruction, or even browse the internet. There are lots of sites that
give instructions on how to do zazen.
Kristy, The argument you present below is logical, therefore I have faith it
will solve the problem here…Bill!
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Kristy McClain
Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 12:24 AM
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re:
Anthony,
I’m disappointed you’re disappointed with Mayka for being disappointed with
TNH….Bill!
From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Anthony Wu
Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 4:32 AM
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Don't
Chris,
You’re using the word ‘intelligence’ differently in your post than I used in my
post.
I use the word ‘intelligence’ to imply cognition, the use of reason, the use of
logic.
The way you’re using it is almost the same as Buddha Nature.
That’s not good or not bad – it’s just difference
Rose,
When I said that, I didn't mean anything deep and significant.
What I meant was, when you have a problem with [fill-in-the-blank], that's
YOUR problem. You can blame it on the object of your unease, but most of
the time you can't control the object, whether it be another person or a
even
Kristy,
You ask a good question, and of course I don’t have good answers to really good
questions.
From my experience in zen I think any being that has SOME form of sensory
awareness – a sentient being – has Buddha Nature. The West (and I think the
East also) divides the senses into 5 senses
Anthony,
My responses are embedded below:
Bill,
I have an IQ of 20. What should I do?
[Bill!] Follow the Tao.
Do dogs have Buddha Nature? Get ready to get a slap from Joshu.
[Bill!] Ouch!
_.___
Phoebe, Welcome to the Yahoo! Zen Forum!
My response/comments to your first post are embedded below:
Thank you all for this group. I am currently studying a book called Zen
Flesh Zen Bones. Does anyone else have this text or is currently reading
it? I would like very much to study and discuss
Mayka, (by the way, speaking of misspellings, I have a hard time not spelling
your name as ‘Makya’ – I don’t know why that is. I actually had to add the
proper spelling of your name to my Spellchecker to make sure I get it right…)
You ask very good questions and I’ll try to answer:
Anthony,
I use Microsoft Word Spellchecker.
I’ve already put ‘Renzai’ into it, but I’ll see if I can change that – just for
you...
…Bildoz!
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Anthony Wu
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 6:06 AM
To:
Maria Carmen (a.k.a. Mayka),
My responses are embedded below:
May I ask you what spell checker do you use?.
[Bill!] I use Microsoft Word to compose my responses, so use the Microsoft
spellchecker. I don’t usually read or respond to posts on this forum directly
in Yahoo!. I don’t know
Audrey,
Very nice haiku! Thanks.Bill!
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Of audreydc1983
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 4:22 PM
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Zen] Mindfulness - awareness in the here and now
Over the past month I
Dave,
Is OCD a self-diagnosis or are you under the care of a physician for this
condition? If you're not under the care of a physician I advise you to talk
with one about these feeling. If you already are then follow his/her
recommendations, and if you're not getting any better tell him/her so
Mike,
When are you coming to Thailand, and where will you be?
.Bill!
From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of mike brown
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 6:38 PM
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't
Mike,
I live in the province of Phetchabun. See my personal website
www.billsmart.com. There is a map on the ABOUT US Page that shows the
location. It's a long way from Koh Chang.
Keep in touch. I have no idea what I'll be doing in Feb next year, or even
where I'll be, but chances are good
Ed, My responses:
Hello Mike, Bill, Edgar, Mayka, Anthony, JM and All,
A few questions (which may stimulate comments/dialogue) come to mind:
(1) In meditation practice, is pain a necessary ingredient for the
breakthrough to bliss and ecstasy?
No.
(2) Is this phenomenon similar to or
Mike,
I gave you incorrect information. The map is on the CONTACT Page. Click
the small map on that page and a larger one will appear with my home
location marked with a red star.Bill!
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Of billsm...@hhs1963.org
Anthony,
I would call myself an ‘agnostic’.
The roots of the word are ‘a’, which means ‘without’ (like ‘amoral’), and
‘gnosis’ which means ‘knowledge of spiritual truths’. So an ‘agnostic’ would
be someone ‘ has no knowledge of spiritual truths’ – and that description fits
me to a tee.
More
Anthony,
All these qualities you assigned to me are also available to all comrades…Bill!
From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Anthony Wu
Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2010 4:46 AM
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my
Ed,
One is a single agnostic. Two would be a pair of agnostics. Three or more
would be a gaggle of agnostics.
.Bill!
From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of ED
Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2010 6:40 PM
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Zen] Re:
Anthony,
If my statement was indeed contradictory, especially if illogical, that
wouldn’t bother me.
I know there are no spiritual truths the same way I know there are no spiritual
laws, spiritual colors, spiritual sounds, or spiritual anything; so it is not
possible to know spiritual truths,
Anthony and Ed, My comments are embedded below:
[Anthony] Zen is illogical, so undefinable.
[Ed] To an individual student, the utterances of his Zen master may appear
to be none, one or both of {logical, not-logical} simultaneously.
In other words, Zen is beyond logic, or is it?
[Bill!] Zen is
I want to expand a little on one of my answers below to avoid
misunderstanding
The posting exchange was:
[Anthony] But we can try to use our finger to point to the Moon.
[Ed] In the final analysis one must just have faith in the reality of
'Buddha mind', yes?
[Bill!] Yes!
My answer Yes!, that
Anthony,
I’m sorry my remarks were rational. I’ll try to remedy that next time…Bill!
From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Anthony Wu
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 5:06 AM
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my
Ed,
My responses are embedded below:
For an insight into zen, one may better seek answers to a series of
questions such as:
What, if any, is the worldview of zen?
[Bill!] I think most people think of zen as an eclectic subset of Buddhism
which involves a lot of meditation and crazy questions.
Ed,
This 'non-ordinary' state you experienced may or may not be the same as what
is referred to as 'Buddha Nature' in zen.
Buddha Nature has existed forever, or at least as long as sentient beings
have existed. It certainly existed long before Gautama Buddha experienced
it under the Bodhi
Ed,
There are probably physiological differences between the knee joints and
tendons of a long-term meditator and a non-meditator, especially if the
meditator is sitting in a full- or half-lotus position. That doesnt mean
the alteration of the physiology of the knee results in enlightenment.
Ed,
I lost this thread of thought. What is your question, or what did you want
me to comment on?
I thought you asked me if Zen is logical or not. I answered. That's NOT
like asking me 'What is a cat?' . That's like asking me 'Is a cat a dog?'.
.Bill!
From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
You forgot:
. One actively participates in the Yahoo! Zen Forum
.Bill!
From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of ED
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 3:52 AM
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Zen] Zen practice?
Chris said: To
Anthony,
My comments are embedded below:
A Tantric story describes an 'enlightened' person as killing fish, drinking
wine and having an affair with women. Is that the outcome of your highlighted
statement below?
[Bill!’s Highlighted Statement] It stops the imperative to classify things as
Mike,
I understand what you are saying below, and even support your sentiments,
but I worry that an emphasis on understanding just how meditation affects
your body might take someone in the wrong direction, or at least down a
useless side road in which they could get entirely lost.
As you know I
Anthony,
I screwed up! Again!
I meant to say:
[Bill!] The outcome for YOU would be that YOU would NOT judge other people’s
behavior as moral or immoral.
…Bill!
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billsm...@hhs1963.org
Sent:
Mayka,
'Eat your heart out' refers to envy - envida. It means you think the one
you are talking too is envious.
.Bill!
From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of ED
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 10:07 PM
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject:
Ed,
Mayka ‘hit the nail on the head’ with her post below. Eat your heart out!
…Bill!
From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Maria Lopez
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 3:24 PM
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Zen] Zen-Brain Reflections
Ed,
My remark below was intended to be a joke.
You are right. The Zen Forum primarily serves to promote discursive
thought.
.Bill!
From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of ED
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 1:12 PM
To:
Mayka,
‘Breathing you are online’…I like that!
…Bill!
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Maria Lopez
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 3:16 PM
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Zen] Zen practice?
Bill:
...And then one still
Rose,
My understanding is the same as Mayka’s.
Being non-reactive does not mean being passive. Popular terms that are similar
are ‘go with the flow’ or ‘follow the Tao’.
I personally think non-reactive is actually not a good descriptive term. You
do react, but your reactions are spontaneous
Anthony,
I didn’t notice a brand name, but the pictures vary from artist to artist.
There are no ‘official’ or ‘standard’ pictures – that I know of anyway. I have
noticed the more recent version no longer show the Sage carrying the wine jug
and the fish. Newer versions show them being
Mayka,
I was referring to the post below which talked about yelling in pain. Maybe
violent is a little over-the-top. How about vigorous?
…Bill!
From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Maria Lopez
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 8:37 PM
To:
Mike,
Again, I agree with your analysis and sympathize with your proposed solution;
but for me that’s just substituting one illusory explanation with another.
Describing it in scientific terms is just as misleading as describing it in
spiritual terms. But, I must admit it would be a
Anthony,
What’s the problem with an extra ‘o’ here or there between friendso?
…Bill!
From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Anthony Wu
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 4:48 AM
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Zen] Tantric Crazy Wisdom
Bill,
Ed, My reply is embedded below:
You Wrote:
IMHO, 'scientific mumbo-jumbo' is *your* illusion/delusion.
[Bill!] Science is illusory so it is everyone's illusion who embraces it.
Zen, being a natural phenomenon, is quite amenable to observation,
meaurement and logical scrutiny - like
Ed, You observed and commented:
It does happens. Look into the soul of the post,specially love and with a
bit of luck you may understand what I meant by that.
I experience your statement above as arrogant, condescending and insulting -
but I acknowledge to myself that that's how *I*
,
Is the highlighted sentence an appropriate one from an asylum?
Anthony
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Anthony,
Nature has no goals. Evolution has no goals. Zen practice has no goals.
Your questions are the same as the koan-like children’s ditty I paraphrased a
couple days ago. I'll quote it here in full:
“Tell me why the stars do shine,
Tell me why the ivy twines,
Tell me why the sky’s so
Jim,
Yahoo! Zen Forum has no profiles. Yahoo! Groups does have a profile you can
create. Go to Yahoo! Groups Home Page http://groups.yahoo.com/ to do
that.
Yahoo! Zen Forum does have membership options. Go to the Yahoo! Zen Forum
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ Home Page .
Chris,
I’ll second that! …Bill!
From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
ChrisAustinLane
Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 2:53 PM
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Zen] Positive neural changes in the brain due to meditation?
I was arguing
Ed, Im not sure what else there is to say. Zen practice is just zen
practice. Its not done to achieve or change anything. Everything is
perfect just the way it is.
This statement seemed to surprise you. What goal(s) do you think zen
practice might have?
Bill!
From:
Ed,
You keep posting content such as this. Do you think having a scientific
explanation of how zen meditation affects the body is helpful to zen
practitioners?
.Bill!
From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of ED
Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 11:42 AM
Ed,
I'll respond only to my comment which was in support of one of Chris'
comments (not all of them). His comment and my response was:
[Chris] I was arguing that reality cannot be divided into two distinct
things, people and nature...
[Bill!] I'll second that!
I support Chris' statement
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From: billsm...@hhs1963.org
http://sg.mc761.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=BillSmart%40HHS1963.org
billsm...@hhs1963.org
http
Chris,
The full immersion approach to teaching a language is a good one. Teaching
reading and writing first is not.
The best example of this is how you learned your first language. You were able
to speak very well and make yourself understood before you even knew there was
such thing as a
Mayka,
I think the explanation of what 'open a can of whoop-ass on you' has already
been posted.
It is a somewhat extreme colloquialism of American urban English that just
means if he doesn't stop talking to you like that you'll 'punish' him somehow.
It's meant to be funny - kind of.
Mike,
So are you saying that psychology is not scientific?
…bill!
From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
mike brown
Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2010 11:11 AM
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Zen] Zen, Self, I, Me and Mine
Bill!/ED,
Anthony,
Nice try, but no cigar.
Zen has no goals…so I am not saying that the ...goal of zen is to reach ‘just
this’ [sic], instead of just eating and sleeping.
When you are eating, eating is Just THIS! When you are sleeping, sleeping is
Just THIS!
…Bill!
From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Ed,
The one constant theme that runs through your comments below is that prior
to kensho (glimpsing Buddha Nature) it is okay to engage in intellectual
activities that you think help you understand zen.
Zen is not something you can understand. You can form concepts and opinions
about zen, but
Ed,
To the best of my knowledge the Yahoo! Zen Forum was established by Albert
Batista in 2002. Al does not participate often now, but has entrusted the
Moderator's role of the forum to Edgar Owen (who also doesn't now
participate very often) and me. As part of the Zen Forum Home Page
Mike,
Couldn’t you say the same about any other branch of science?
…Bill!
From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
mike brown
Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 9:47 AM
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Zen] Zen, Self, I, Me and Mine
ED/Bill!,
Po-TAY-to, Po-TAH-to.Bill!
From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of mike brown
Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 9:43 AM
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Zen] Zen and the Brain
Mayka,
Different strokes for different people.
It's
Mike,
Thanks for your replies. I can appreciate your previous comments better
now.
And youre absolutely right! Poetry and other lyrical writings are a much
better ways to express zen. I call these alogical communication not
based on logic (although they might contain some logical
Mike,
You can also move through a wall if you are very big or very fast…Bill!
From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 10:56 AM
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Zen] Fwd: The Gateway
Chris,
I confess I haven’t read any of ZEN AND THE BRAIN, and don’t intend to.
However, I encourage you and others to read and discuss it if you wish.
…Bill!
From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
ChrisAustinLane
Sent: Monday, October 25,
Anthony,
No, I wouldn’t drink freshly brewed coffee immediately. I’d put cream in it
first…Bill!
From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Anthony Wu
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 4:21 AM
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Zen] Zen, Self,
Ed,
This is a good example of ‘a can of whoop-ass’!
…Bill!
From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Maria Lopez
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 8:08 AM
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question
ALL WHAT I MEAN IS
Anthony,
All the questions you have asked about having limits or rules to go by are
answered by one sentence below:
When one realizes his original nature, discipline, calmness and wisdom need
not be instituted.
And there are no need for rules, multi-fold paths, vows, dogma, rituals or
Ed,
I didn't say 'folk' was grammatically incorrect. I pointed out it doesn't
rhyme with 'strokes'.
.Bill!
From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of ED
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 12:28 AM
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Zen] Zen and
Ed,
Just for the record, I did post that but I was only quoting (notice the ?)
from the previous post below. I do agree with the statement, so you could
say that 'Tibetan Vajrayana, Zen Buddhsim and Bill! all have similar
positions on this issue'.
...Bill!
From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Jennifer,
Thanks for posting and welcome to the Zen Forum.
The account you gave of your husbands life was very interesting. Id be
much more interested, however, in an account of YOUR life, the lessons
YOU'VE learned and most of all - like your husband - if you have had or now
have any
Ed,
Your question: What on earth is not an illusion? is what zen is all about!
All thoughts and concepts of the discriminating mind (the rational mind that
creates dualisms such as self/other, subject/object and makes judgments such
as good/bad, right/wrong) are illusions.
Only direct
Ed,
The zen I practice has no rituals at all.
Japanese Zen Buddhism has a few rituals, but none that are focused on sex to
best of my knowledge.
…Bill!
From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Anthony Wu
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 4:44 PM
To:
Anthony,
Your Original Nature would cause you to immediately spit out coffee at 100 deg
C - and maybe even cheap instant coffee at 90 deg C.
..Bill!
From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Anthony Wu
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 4:40 PM
To:
Mayka,
What you say below is verdad, but the flexibility, inclusivity and constant
spontaneous and uncontrolled evolution of English is porque it the modern-day
‘lingua franca’.
...Bill!
From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Maria Lopez
Sent:
Anthony,
Beer mixed with lemonade (Americans would call this 7-Up) is a very popular
drink in England, especially among women in the summer. It’s called a ‘shandy’
or ‘shandygaff’. I’ve tried it before and it’s pretty good.
See Wikipedia for information about beer cocktails.
…Bill!
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