Re: [biofuel] Troy? Troy who?
Hi Todd and All, Insight Troy is who. He just mentioned that he belonged to the biofuel list and at about the same time Insight Troy came on this list. He's screwing with us again. Could anyone who knows which lists he's been kicked off of e-mail me direct off list which ones. He's been trying to destroy the EV list with OT's for the last 3 weeks and I need to which one's he's been kicked off from as he's saying he hasn't been. Please help me get him off our EV list. Thanks, jerry dycus --- Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 6 billion people on the planet. There is bound to be more than one Troy. Todd Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi All , Anyone noticed that Troy Heagy is back on the list? jerry dycus __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel]
Hi Ian and All, --- ian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes there are THC free strains, (but the others are best ;) ) ian I'll smoke to that;-)). But beyound that hemp grows so fast it crowds out any weeds quickly and it's a very light feeder, using little or no pesticide or fertilizer. The pounds of biomass /acre is hugh. Larger than anything else. Almost no labor either other than planting and harvesting. 90 gals of biodiesel and 800/1000 gals of methanol per crop and in Fla 4 to 5 crops a year. Hemp is hard to beat. It's a great fabric and rope that will not rot. As to why it's illegal in 1934 a machine was designed to seperate the fibers economicly but had the misfourtune to be at the same time as Dupont came out with rayon, nylon . Popular Machanics declared hemp the next billion dollar crop. He was worried the hemp would steal his markets that he gave J Randolf Hearst a bunch of Dupont stock so Hearst would put out a bunch of stories in his newspapers that hemp was a bad drug that only, racial slurs for blacks and Mexicans, do it and become crazy, ect. Then in 1937 their cronies in congress passed the law making it not a threat to Dupont anymore. So here we are and one of the best , least side effect medicines and the answer to our energy, farmer problems and we can't use it. It shows that politicians care more about posturing than helping our country. George Washington and Thomas Jefferson raised and praised it , if it's good enough for them it's good enough for me. I'd like to sue the DEA for fraud, the lying scum. jerry dycus - Original Message - From: Warren Rekow [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2001 7:48 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Richard said: 1 acre of hemp will prouduce more paper, building material,clotfing,ETC than 20 acres of trees. Do all hemp plants contain THC, or are there varieties which do not contain this compound? -- ...Warren Rekow __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel]
Hi Steve and All, --- steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From the fryer to the fuel tank mentions oil production at 305 kg/hectare, but not the number of crops per season. Is that total for season, or for crop? I think it's per crop but not sure, Anyone? Thanks, jerry dycus Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm -- - Original Message - From: jerry dycus [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Ian and All, --- ian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes there are THC free strains, (but the others are best ;) ) ian I'll smoke to that;-)). But beyound that hemp grows so fast it crowds out any weeds quickly and it's a very light feeder, using little or no pesticide or fertilizer. The pounds of biomass /acre is hugh. Larger than anything else. Almost no labor either other than planting and harvesting. 90 gals of biodiesel and 800/1000 gals of methanol per crop and in Fla 4 to 5 crops a year. Hemp is hard to beat. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Vapour Carburetion
Hi David and All, The only way to get better mileage is to convert more heat to mechanical energy, ie eff.. All a carb does is mix fuel. Fuel injection does this almost perfectly now. There's not a chance in h--- that a vapor/ prouge or other types of carbs will do better unless you have discovered new physics we don't know about. As homey would say, I don't think so. For better fuel mileage you need to change more of the heat into work. You can do this by running the engine at a higher temp, a smaller engine, lower friction bearings, slower piston speeds, use the exhaust to power the water pump and alt, syn engine oils, syn trans oils,turn it off when not needed like while braking or sitting, lightening the vehicle weight, cutting aero drag, ect. There are no secret ways to better gas mileage, in 120 years every thing has been explored that works. As a 200 mile carb would be worth more than a trillion dollars on todays market you couldn't keep it secret for long if true. At 200 mile per gal you would be 300 to 500% eff, not going to happen. jerry dycus --- David Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Put the message below on last night to see if anyone would pick up on it but as of yet no one. Ray Covey inventor of the Covey Low Temp.Vaporizer more or less said that some of his inspiration and ideas came from Charles Nelson Pogue inventor of the Pogue Vaporizer in the mid 1930s who mysteriously disappeared after newspaper stories on his invention caused oil company stocks to drop. These stories covered tests conducted by Ford Motor Company of Canada and others in which a 1935 Ford V8 fitted with a Pogue Vaporizer got over 200 mpg. The same vaporizers are reported to have been used by US Tank Corps in North Africa on long range Sherman Tanks, jeeps, and other vehicles. The Sherman was definitely a short range tank. These reports are supported by men who served in the US Tank Corps who have stated that some type of secret vapor carburetor, marked property of a big US oil company, was installed in their tanks and greatly increased operational range. Field Marshall Rommel is also reported to have written in his writings If it had not been for America's long range tanks, the outcome of the desert war would have been different. In the past Ford Canada have denied any knowledge of these tests but there seems to be enough documented evidence from others who conducted the tests as well to more or less prove that the test vehicle did this sort of mileage. Most of the tests conducted involved running the vehicle out of gas and then seeing how far they could drive it on a pint, all of which exceeded 25 miles, and 2 that involved a gallon and exceeded 200mpg. I believe this warrants further investigation. The following Pogue Patent Nos. are probably worth investigating: 1,750,354, 3/11/30; 1,938,497, 12/5/33; 1,997,497 4/9/35; 2,026,798, 1/7/36 Wether all the details are there and anyone would turn up all the information after all this time is doubtful but it is perhaps worth trying. Some of the Covey results achieved in the mid 80s were not too far below the Pogue ones. something like 144mpg with a heavy 400 CID Chrysler B.r., David Which brings me to another point. Has anyone out there ever had anything to do with Ray Covey's Vapour Carburetion Conversion Systems? Do they know much about them and did they ever really work properly? Believe with the Mark 5 system he managed to obtain something like 72 mpg (US gal = 3.785Litres) with a V8. This equates to 19 miles per litre or just over 30 km per litre. Perhaps it is time for people to look at this aspect again. I am sure with the rapid developments in modern computers a lot of these old ideas might enjoy a new lease of life with vast improvements easily obtainable in the right hands. B.r., David __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE hempRe: [biofuel] JIM Befuddling post
Hi Jim and All, --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An explanation: My post was a response (included below) to someone who, in my opinion, was using the US gov'ment and the DEA in specific as scapegoats in his discussion of hemp's reluctance in becoming a new biofuel. I was aided in this conclusion by the post's lack of concrete detail, sources, or even a cursory objective view. Hell, my response may have been unfounded or spurious (or not), but I was just trying to get a response as to why the information seemed a bit opinionated. It's hard to even start using something as biofuel when it's illegal, I'd think that would be an obvious point why. Over 10 states have made hemp growing for fuel, medicine and fiber legal despite the DEA. I was talking about the potential of hemp. Regretfully way too little of any kind of biofuels are used now. This is because of massive subidies to the oil co both in favorable tax breaks, I.E. corporate welfare and massive military spending to protect the mideast oil supply. It's been estimated in the Wall Street Journal that the real cost of oil is $100 a barrel. If the real cost was passed thru we could have a big tax break and many RE become feasible at $50 a barrel. Hemp is the best biomass per acre producing crop when pesticides, labor are taken into account. We could cut the coal pollution that I now suffer from the local power plants that are the dirtiest in the nation. As for medicine and recreational use the DEA has been lying about hemp forever. It's nowhere near as dangerous as alcohol, has little side effects as a medicine and they know it. They rather destroy lives than admit they are wrong despite overwhelming evidence that hemp is not dangerous because they would lose some of their jobs. It's time for the DEA to tell the truth about hemp instead of jailing and ruining the lives of many good people like they do. It's not the hemp that's bad, it's the hemp laws that destroy lives. It's amazing that the DEA can live with themselves. Were George Washington and Thomas Jefferson wrong? The revolutionary war was won with hemp rope, clothes, sails, tents, paper, ect and the Declaration of Independence was written on hemp paper. Get your head out of the sand and see reality instead of lying gov propoganda by bureaucrats defending their turf. Love, jerry dycus -JIM Subj: Re: [biofuel] Date: 4/29/2001 10:35:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (jerry dycus) Reply-to: biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Hi Ian and All, --- ian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes there are THC free strains, (but the others are best ;) ) ian I'll smoke to that;-)). But beyound that hemp grows so fast it crowds out any weeds quickly and it's a very light feeder, using little or no pesticide or fertilizer. The pounds of biomass /acre is hugh. Larger than anything else. Almost no labor either other than planting and harvesting. 90 gals of biodiesel and 800/1000 gals of methanol per crop and in Fla 4 to 5 crops a year. Hemp is hard to beat. It's a great fabric and rope that will not rot. As to why it's illegal in 1934 a machine was designed to seperate the fibers economicly but had the misfourtune to be at the same time as Dupont came out with rayon, nylon . Popular Machanics declared hemp the next billion dollar crop. He was worried the hemp would steal his markets that he gave J Randolf Hearst a bunch of Dupont stock so Hearst would put out a bunch of stories in his newspapers that hemp was a bad drug that only, racial slurs for blacks and Mexicans, do it and become crazy, ect. Then in 1937 their cronies in congress passed the law making it not a threat to Dupont anymore. So here we are and one of the best , least side effect medicines and the answer to our energy, farmer problems and we can't use it. It shows that politicians care more about posturing than helping our country. George Washington and Thomas Jefferson raised and praised it , if it's good enough for them it's good enough for me. I'd like to sue the DEA for fraud, the lying scum. jerry dycus __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] genetic engineering/natural selection
Hi Lee and All, Some fool at I think the U of Fla reengineered a microbe that can live and survive almost anywhere to turn biomass into alcohol. Luckily someone mentioned that if it got loose it would eat all the biomass in the world so they stopped it. Genetic engineering needs to be done only on organisiums that will multiply only in controlled conditions. So lets be careful out there. jerry dycus --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know if anyone is working on the genetic engineering of crops to make them more amenable to processing for biofuel production? and is there any information about natural and or genetically modified organisms with for example increased ethanol tolerance, ability to utilise waste as a substrate to produce biocombustibles. I am currently trying to get information together for students studying a biotechnology course specialising in environmental biotech. Any information would be gratefully recieved. Lee Lee Robertson __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] JIM Befuddling post
Hi Jim and All, You were right about one thing, I am fairly weird and proud of it. ;-)) To go against the grain like I do like not working 9 to5, making my own energy/ electric car / fuels because I dislike what's availible, don't drink alcohol because it's too dangerous, help people for fun/ joy, give pols a hard time when they are buttheads does make me different. But I like it, may you become weird too, jerry dycus --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Heck yes! I'll never claim to be perfect ever again! Anyhow, I think I got a bit too emotional- piratanical roadwarriors gotta have something to bite now and then. Thanks and sorry again, -JIM In a message dated 5/4/2001 2:55:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Strange way of going about it, dubbing it as gossip and lies, and him as weird, without any concrete details, sources, nor even a cursory objective view to support your own opinion, don't you think? Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Making power to sell,wasRe: [biofuel] Re: Enzymes
Hi Tim and All, --- Tim Zarbo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Cruse, Would you mind sharing your plans in reference to selling power to your CoOp? I am interested in doing something similar here in FL if I can get them interested. You In Jerry D? :) I'd love to sell power to TECO, our local power co, but they won't buy, won't use biomass in their coal plants even though they allready have used it and I arranged for the biomass delivered free. Also tried to sell them tidal genorated power but was turned down again. They own the coal fields too for their plants so don't want anything to replace it as far as I can tell. I was going to start with a megawatt, about 1,000 hp, then add to it. The best way to sell electricity now is to sell peaking power straight to customers. They go on interruptable power from TECO which has a low rate of $.03 kwhr and just genorate for the cut-off hrs with biomass. This makes the biggest amount of money with the least cost in labor and money and gives the customer electricity at about 1/2 the cost per kwhr while replacing the most polluting power TECO makes, ie the Gannon plant. David, if I was going to produce power from a stationary plant from bio-oil I would use heated, filtered veg oil instead of biodiesel for cost/ labor reasons as in a lot cheaper. Maybe make biodiesel as a side business for vehicles. Better money there for biodiesel. BTW the feds have a tax credit program where they buy most or all the bio-oil feedstock for doing this. It's in the tax code as corperate welfare to ADM but you can use it too. You'll have to find it as I don't know where it is. You should look to producer gas or destructive distillation of waste crop biomass as the best, cheapest fuel for an operation like you want if your goal is to make money. Hope this helps, jerry dycus PS, great Flying pigs, King George and Henry stories . David, feel free to email me directly if you like, I am curious as to what scale, and methods exactly you might be considering to produce the power. -Tim Z ~~still gigglin' over Flyin' Pigs ;) - Original Message - From: david e cruse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 10:29 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Enzymes Hey Todd, That sounds great , and would be fantastic ! Thank you. I am not in a rural area here so we are going to have to deal with that by either leasing , or purchasing a couple of acres to put up a facility. We want to produce power with the biodiesel as our fuel, that way we can have the electricity to use, and put on the grid. The vice president of our local Electric Membership Coop has given me the assurance that they will give us a purchase agreement when we are ready. But that is going to be a rough go getting everything together in the right way so it all works without too many problems. I`m not trying to take too hugh of a leap by skipping the standard methods that can be done on a now basis, but the Ginosar method sounds like a great way to go if possible! I stress possible!! Otherwise it would be dumb not to use what works. Thanks, David Cruse __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Making power to sell
Hi David and All, --- david e cruse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Jerry D., I like your suggestion about the vegetable oil ! Do you think WVO from the restaurants would do the trick if it was filtered really good ? Yes, and dewatering it, according the multiple people on and off this list. However you won't be able to get enough to make profitable power. You'll need virgin oil for that. How can you sell peaking power straight to customers, Build a power plant on their property or close to it. They go on time of day, shutoff status to the power co to get very low rates then just run your gen when peak use times of about 9;30 am to 4;30pm. Saves them about 1/2 their electric bill, and saves them from brown, blackouts and you make reasonable profit. Power at this time is priced much higher so profits are up and labor is down as is wear and tear and fuel use. It's also when the power co use their most polluting plants. I thought only the utility was allowed to sell directly to customers ? Depends where you live. Here in Fla you have to make it on site or run your own lines. Wow a 1 megawatt facility, now there is some serious power to start with ! Wish I could start at that level. A megawatt is only $100 an hr if you get $.10 kw hr. Hard to make money at less than that. I was planning on using GM 502 hi compression marine race engines at 3600 rpm for 200 kw each using 5 of them. Then run them from DD or producer gas from yard waste. Waste heat would be used to make DD gas or used for process heat, space heating. If they need a lot of heat profits go way up. A neat thing to do would be to run the CO2 into a solar concertrator with steam to make H2 and CO to fuel another gen. David Cruse - Original Message - From: jerry dycus [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Tim and All, --- Tim Zarbo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Cruse, Would you mind sharing your plans in reference to selling power to your CoOp? I am interested in doing something similar here in FL if I can get them interested. You In Jerry D? :) I'd love to sell power to TECO, our local power co, but they won't buy, won't use biomass in their coal plants even though they allready have used it and I arranged for the biomass delivered free. Also tried to sell them tidal genorated power but was turned down again. They own the coal fields too for their plants so don't want anything to replace it as far as I can tell. I was going to start with a megawatt, about 1,000 hp, then add to it. The best way to sell electricity now is to sell peaking power straight to customers. They go on interruptable power from TECO which has a low rate of $.03 kwhr and just genorate for the cut-off hrs with biomass. This makes the biggest amount of money with the least cost in labor and money and gives the customer electricity at about 1/2 the cost per kwhr while replacing the most polluting power TECO makes, ie the Gannon plant. David, if I was going to produce power from a stationary plant from bio-oil I would use heated, filtered veg oil instead of biodiesel for cost/ labor reasons as in a lot cheaper. Maybe make biodiesel as a side business for vehicles. Better money there for biodiesel. BTW the feds have a tax credit program where they buy most or all the bio-oil feedstock for doing this. It's in the tax code as corperate welfare to ADM but you can use it too. You'll have to find it as I don't know where it is. You should look to producer gas or destructive distillation of waste crop biomass as the best, cheapest fuel for an operation like you want if your goal is to make money. Hope this helps, jerry dycus PS, great Flying pigs, King George and Henry stories . __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Solar boiler
Hi Keith and All, Before anyone gets hurt from this let's look at it. Steam is a very powerful explosive. Do not heat a large amount of water over 212F unless you really know what you are doing. That said the safer way is to use a flash boiler with a scatter shield around it. The good thing about flash boilers is the tiny amount of water heated to explosive temps so if it blows not much damage happens. How they work is you heat the boiler tube up and inject just enough water for each piston stroke. The higher the steam temp the higher the eff. If you want 40% eff you need 1100F + steam plus heat recovery. I like the tube within a tube with the inside tube for the steam and the outside tube with the fire/heat going up and the water/ steam going down. The outside tube will help contain any explosion and keep the heat confinded to the boiler tubes. Insulate the outside of the fire tube, the engine and pre-heat the fire feed air and feedwater for more eff. For engines some are using Sanden car AC scroll compressors, others have used A/C piston compressors and 2 stroke ICE motors with new head valving. The scroll compressor if it works would only need a continous water feed pump for it instead of valves. For solar concertrators I like the old 7' to 10' satellite dishes that are now obsolete and are given away free for taking them down. Most of these have concentrations of 10+ of sunlight if mirrored. They come with power tracking that only needs easy electronics to point it for max eff. The boiler for it would be a spiral of tubing. The sun puts out 1kw/ Sq yard/meter with the sun overhead. The hottest temps you can get semi-safely are from solar concentration. Make sure no one can put a body part in the beam or it will be cooked instantly from 5,000F+ temps. Remember what just a 4/ 4 power magifying glass would do to wood? Let's be careful out there, jerry dycus --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Dana, Ed, Jim and all Almost time to switch off the dark. Anyway. Please don't stop, it's an interesting line you're on. Maybe have a look at this: http://www.cc.jyu.fi/~hvirtane/cooker/ Designing and Building Home Made Focusing Solar Cookers Lots more solar resources here: http://journeytoforever.org/sc_link.html Solar Cooker Resources on the Web Some interesting products here: http://www.cleardomesolar.com/ ClearDome SolarFlex reflective material and SolarFlex reflects an amazing 97.4% of all solar energy! That means you'll now get the fastest, hottest solar heating or cooking possible with our SolarFlex reflective material (see above photo), using your own reflector design made with this remarkable lightweight, nearly untearable, waterproof flexible material. ClearDome Solar BlackFlex Absorption foi - the ideal flexible, thick flat black anodized (both sides) aluminum foil for absorbing solar energy and directly converting it into heat. Use it for solar oven construction or for any experimental solar heating project for very fast heat absorption.It can be formed and folded many times, survives direct flames to over 1,000 degrees F, and is non-toxic and non-gassing. Standard size is 2' X 4', shipped rolled in a durable cardboard tube. Price is only $17 plus S H. Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Solar boiler, vacuum pumps
Hi David and All, --- David Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jerry, What exactly is a Sanden car AC scroll compressor? A scroll type compressor used in some cars. Look up Sanden on the web for more info. VW used a scroll for a supercharger called the G-ladder. This idea below sounds good and may be applicable to the refining and purification of glycerine as one of the best ways of refining is with the use of steam especially when combined with vacuum so you drop the boiling point B.r., David The guy's at Red Rock? was using them for their concentrated solar steam projects. Keith, do you have their URL? You put it up a couple of weeks ago. Almost any refridgerator or AC compressor will work to make a vacuum pump from. Keeping oil in them is the only problem. Diesel trucks, cars use vacuum pumps for brakes, ect. jerry dycus __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Hybrid buses in Tampa, Fla,+ long posts
Hi All, Last night on the local news they showed the newest bus that our pathetic bus service started. It was called an electric but really was a hybrid using the Capstone turbogenorator with electric drive. We will get 9 more over the next year. Now if they would come more often than every 2 hours people might use them. Nice and quite though. I noticed that the posts are getting too long because people are not editing them well. Please edit better and make the subjects match the post contents. 10/ 20k for a couple lines reply is a bit much. Thanks a lot, jerry dycus __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Solar boiler, vacuum pumps
Hi David and All, --- David Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Jerry, Got any refs, books, or other info sources I can go to or get to learn a bit more about solar energy or alternative source steam generation.? B.r., David Not really other than the URL that Steve put up, thanks Steve. I stopped considering steam a while ago because of danger and low eff in small sizes. They need a lot of other stuff like condensers, feed pumps, airbleed pumps,ect. I like KIS and that's 1 thing steam is not. Biofuel and ICE's have better eff and can be bought cheap. Wind and river/ tidal energy is cheaper, less work, quieter for small amounts of electricity. Very profitable in larger sizes. I might use a propane working fluid version to recover energy from exhaust heat to keep fuel use down. I have designed 2 steam/ propane engines, 1 for a solar concentrator and another for fuel use but both are patentable so I can't tell now. Both use limited liquid volumes for safety and are simplified while staying fairly eff. For most people should stay with ICE's which are easier than steam to make eff and safer. I do have a good description of the solar power plant used in Egypt in the early 1900's. It was about 10% eff. Too long to type. Old engineering texts from 1900 to 1940 have everything you need to know to build steam engines, ect. I use Marks Handbook from 1914, reprinted 1934 with just about everything available then from autos, coal, steam, gas making, hydro, solar, AC, heat exchangers, charcoal, chemicals, ect. jerry dycus __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Solar boiler, vacuum pumps
Hi David and All, I'd e-mail the Redroc url that Steve Spence put up a few days ago. It was from them that I found out about it. jerry dycus --- David Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Tim, Thanks for the refs. Will look into them further over the weekend. At this stage particularly interested in looking further into these scroll compressors and making up a steam generation unit for glycerine refining and purification if that is possible. Have you or anyone made a unit like this and if so would appreciate any comments, suggestions or advice you, Jerry or anyone has to offer. Was out at Maui (largest camper van rental firm in NZ) trying to sell them on the concept of these by-pass filters today and see the new Mercedes vans have what appears to be one of these scroll compressors fitted. How do you tell it is actually a scroll compressor rather than some other type? Also does anyone have or can anyone provide a list of vehicles with them fitted? Most of them should be reasonably easy to overhaul I imagine with the main things needing attention being seals and bearings. Is there any particular thing one needs to watch out for and to avoid? Also is one brand better than another. From what I can see the Sanden appears to be a reasonable unit and a lot appear to be being used to replace the ones fitted to BMWs when they break down as you are largely paying for the name if you buy the genuine article in this case. B.r., David __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] methanol production/corncobs
Hi Keith, Dana and All, --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of our project members has requested that I investigate the possability of methanol production using corn cobs as a feedstock. Consisting of mainly cellulose I imagine that a destructive distillation might be the route to go. Does anyone have a lead for more information on destructive distillation or related material? I am more inclined to use pulverized corncobs as Biodiesel production power myself but a small scale methanol production unit would definately lower our projected costs of Biodiesel production. Dana Linscott Hi Dana Why not go for ethyl esters? Re methanol, there's some information in the message archives. Try a search for Hynol, destructive distillation, DD, should work. We haven't found anything satisfactory. There was a method in a Home Power article mentioned (Jerry?), but I don't think anybody's tried it and I don't have a detailed description of it. Do you need to expend the power pulverising the corncobs for BD production? Couldn't you burn them as-is? The Hynol report wasn't very good. Maybe when they complete their work but right now it's a waste of time. Sounds like someone is milking the gov for grant money. The Home Power Mag DD to methanol article is looking better as I've read other stuff that it will work. How to purify it is another question. It's on their 1st CD. If you just need heat a producer gas unit may be good for you or just burn the cobs like Keith said. Serveral good producer gas units on Keith's and Steve's sites. jerry dycus Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] portable electric power generators
Hi Stuart and All, --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you know of any work to develop a portable biodiesel capable of recharging an electric vehicle? You will have 2 problems, first is weight. Finding a small light diesel engine is the 1st step. I suggest a Duetz( 4.5 hp) or a small Petter( 6 and 12 hp) depending on space availible, power needed. Your other problem is how to make DC to charge the batts eff. Using a 120 vac charger single phase because of power factor you get large current spikes that limit the power you can get out of it to 1/2 the gen ratings and many times burns the gen up even then. A couple of good ways around it would be using a permenant magnet motor as a dc genorator, 85- 95% eff, . This works as a starter too. Next would be a shunt dc gen also making dc direct, 80 to 90% eff. Another way is to use a 3 phase ac genorator and use an H-bridge diode setup to make DC, 80 to 90% eff. These can be bought new with diesels driving them ready for the H-bridge rectifiers, about $1.5k to 4K. A little more info on your EV, like battery pack, weight,voltage, motor, vehicle model, how fast you want to charge( with lead acid batts you can charge 60% in 15 minutes if you want to spend the cash), will it be onboard, will you run it while driving, ect? I'm using a car alt, 65% eff, cheap, for mine but its voltage is low, 36 to 72VDC batt pack. A larger one from a truck( 75% eff, could be setup to work eff at higher volts eff. They are 3 phase ac gens with H-bridges. jerry dycus Let's talk. Stuart __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] portable elect generators, biodiesel bid
Hi Ed andAll, --- NBT - E. Beggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about a Little Deutz Coupe, instead, and leave the electric stuff at home? The only problem with that is the little Deutz Coupe only gets about 10% of the fuel's energy to the road and is rather slow while the EV is as fast as it wants to be while getting 20% of the biodiesel's energy to the road. That means you can use 1/2 the biodiesel and either save the rest or sell it. Btw the local bus line here , Hartline, has invited me to bid for their biodiesel needs. Turns out they buy diesel for $.77 a gal on the spot in the fall and spring getting low prices. The local biodiesel maker that was called NOPEC , one of the first since 93 at least, but has another name now has bid biodiesel to them for $.97 a gal and they want as much as they can get. The Hartline guy said they were probably lowballing it to get the account. Gov diesel fleets are required to do something about emissions and biodiesel is about the only thing they can do without large modifications to their existing fleets. Check them out in your area if you want to be a biofuel seller. jerry dycus Ed B. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Water vs Energy Importance
Hi All, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To whomever this may concern why do I get the feeling that this forum is an exchange of ideas for a bunch of socialists, and communists? Because you don't know much and need to open your mind. We are not going to keep being screwed by big oil or coal, we know there are better ways like biomass, solar, Nuke done right, wind and non dam tidal/ river power. The truth is almost every home has plenty of energy delivered right to it by solar/ wind to supply it's , it's peoples and their transport needs. We should put our money there to make jobs here, true national energy security rather than dependence on opec/ oilies and a bad depression in 5 to 10 years like Bush is leading us to now. We like to be independent of those with their hands in our pockets by not needing them. All isms taken to their end are fatal. What we need is a working blend of capitalism, democracy, socialism with respect for human rights and keeping our planet healthy so we can be healthy too. That's true conservatism unlike what Bush is trying to do which is corporate welfare of the worst kind. I backed throwing the welfare cheats off now it's time to do the same for the corporate version. If they did RE would be viable right away without the subidies that corporation get now. I'm fiscally conservative and socially liberial and really don't like either party. Ventrua is starting to look good now. No one believes in communism anymore, not even communist. Stop fighting that war, it's over, they killed themselves. Remember moderation in all things. jerry dycus __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Biodiesel in a heating oil burner?
Hi Gerry and All, For many years living aboard my sailboats I just used a kerosene lamp for heat. What are the in's and out's of burning used veg oil in wick type burners to keep soot , other nasties low. Has anyone burned SVO in a Kerosun type wick burner, heater, any problems? Here in Fla the heating season is short and light so I was thinking of how to build a good, simple heater for next year. Maybe using a 3 stove wick or 3 - 1 wicks. I also just bought a propane refridgerator I'm thinking about converting to SVO. Any thoughts? Thanks, jerry dycus --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Asians tend to use lamps and burners with wicks. Whether it is kerosene, coconut oil or vegetable oil. Only problem is soot from long term usage. If multiple wicks burner are available and with proper chimney, you can have a heater fire going. I can still remember absorption refrigerator fired by kerosene with wick type burner. Just my thoughts. Gerry __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: magnetic savings=magic?
Hi Sam, Warren and All, --- Warren Rekow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sam said: I need not, nor have any desire to convince anyone on earth other than myself as to the validity of said circumstances or scientific properties thereof. clip Sam, why don't you get a tach, let you motor warm up or after a drive , check the idle rpms then take off the magnets and see if the rpms goes down. If they do your magnets are doing their job. If it doesn't you know what that means. Let us know what happens. This is a simple cheap way to test them and other types of 'fuel enhancers'. jerry dycus Amen. Sam, you say it so well. 8^) Corrosive diatribes and intolerant cynicism only serve to subvert understanding and hinder our general advancement. You can look at this site: http://www.fut.es/~sje/mag_fuel.htm as they have some info on the subject of magnets in regards to fuel, but do not take anyones word for it. This is the internet after all. Interesting web site. The method of giving opposite magnetic polarities to the incoming air and fuel certainly sounds worth experimenting with. I'll give it a go and see if I can duplicate the results given on that site and by yourself. Thanks. -- ...Warren Rekow __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Agualux Fuel plant blows up!
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[biofuel] noise cancelling , was Re: DD question
Hi All, --- beeteljeuse beelzebub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have access to a generator powered with a DD 2-71. Does anyone have any experience with this engine? I have been told it is possible to build a muffler that will work on a DD so the neighbors are not so willing to storm your door with sythes and torches. From my experience a DD is the best way to turn Diesel fuel into noise. True, also put a muffler on the intake as a lot of the noise comes from there. I used to own a british seagull outboard and as a sailor, the real kind , not military, I cut the noise from it 75% by putting a 2' rubber radiator hose on the intake. I have only a little experience with these engines, working on a drill rig powered by one. it was perhaps the loudest engine I have ever heard. It was loud through earplugs. Have you heard about black noise generators? designed to produce sound of a frequency and amplitude which precisely negates the sound your engine makes. They use em on army helicopters. No idea if this is do-able for you. BA. Also called noise cancelling or anti noise. It's done by using a microphone to pick up the sound, amplify it, change it to be 180 degree out of phase then output thru a speaker nullifing the noise, or at least most of it. Having lived aboard a sailboat anchored out for 20+ years the noise from battery charging from ICE gens drove me crazy so I started building wind and tidal genorators for myself and other liveaboards. If you are going to use an ICE to genorate build a noise box to put it in with heavy walls. Hope this helps, jerry dycus __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Re: Reclaiming the methanol
Hi All, For those who are reclaiming methanol what % of the methanol do you get back? I assume vacuum recovery method. Thanks, jerry dycus __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: magnets in fuel line.
Hi Steve and All, --- steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: extraordinary claims, require extraordinary evidence. notice how they get all upset when you ask them to prove it. especially when it's not evidence that they themselves have seen, but are parroting from someone else. Notice that they haven't tried the idle method to check if there is a difference. It's easy, cheap and reliable. Come on guy's take your magnets off and see if the rpm falls. If it truely works the rpm will fall 100 rpm and rise when put back on. Maybe they did but don't want to admit it. jerry dycus __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Driving Without Gas
Hi Steve and All, --- Steve Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Driving Without Gas Gasohol Ethanol Methanol Electric Cars Gasogens By John Ware Lincoln I just finished reading this from the Hillsbrough co Fla library. Good info. Best at gasogens,ie producer gas genorators for cars/ trucks. I believe TB Reed from the gasification list was included for his work on mixing methanol/gasoline to extend the gasoline supplies at MIT. It was written in 1980. jerry dycus http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/dwg/default.htm Just started scanning chapters... Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Hemp As Biomass
Hi Tim and All, --- Tim Castleman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I stand ready to be flamed... Burn, baby, burn. ;-) Other than a slanted view and some fudging with the numbers to make his point look better it's not bad. I disagree on his using Canadian crop output numbers to prove things. Here in Fla as much of the world, we would get 3 to 5 crops a year vs 1 in Canada and more biomass per crop. This lowers storeage costs, makes the $ a lot better. Also oil seed yeilds should alway be considered as 1 of the products rather than the only value. I prefer DD gasififying and/ or fiber for the other products. With gasifiying you still have the minerials to fertilizing. jerry dycus http://www.fuelandfiber.com/Hemp4NRG/Hemp4NRG.htm Tim Castleman __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Intro
Hi, If you want to be remembered how about a name? If worried about security use a made up one that can be remembered. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MY INTERESTS Power production, centralized and decentralized, traditional and non, and as an offshoot of recent studies alternative fuels. With my career in power production, any kind of viable, safe, economical clean power production technology gets my full attention throughout its lifecycle. Cool, you came to the right place technologies. So, my current short-term savings plan is for the building of an electric vehicle. I'm building one from scratch too. Unless you want to put it into production I wouldn't. Converting is a lot cheaper and much less work. What's yours like? MY PROFESSIONAL BACKGROUND 1988-1997 Independent Power Producer - Operated 16MW natural gas fired cogeneration power plant. processing facility/electric to utility, 2 18MW wood-burning power plants selling electric to utility and a 42MW peaker gas turbine plant for Jamaica power utility. I'd like to hear about the wood fired plants. Thanks, jerry dycus __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] A Relatively Pollution-Free Car that actually leaves the garage...
Hi Ed and All, --- Edward Beggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jerry - See question at end please... Automobile conversion to solar power comes in more forms than just EV, and in the SVO case, the plant oils act as an energy-dense, convenient, safe, renewable, biodegradable, CO2-neutral solar energy capture / carrier that can be packed into a very inexpensive, small tank that is at (more or less) ambient temperature and pressure. All true and a good idea but ICE's only get about 7 to 10% of the fuels energy to the road where as an Ev gets about 20% of the fuel to generate the electricity. You can do it right now, and get on with driving the thing, instead of talking about it. You can buy used factory conversions now for about $3,000. Ford will be selling the Think EV in early 2002. BTW the 1909 Baker Electric got an 80 mile range and did 45 mph. Electrics where here before ICE cars were. But you have to be able to stand listening to a diesel. :-) --- For a limited budget and ease of conversion, it is hard to beat an older VW on SVO. If more to spend, the EV/APU/SVO combo would be very nice. A small diesel in the back, as in GM's concept PNGV car, would be nice, to cut the noise down. Or an APU of 6hp/ 1,000# gets you unlimited range at 100 mpg. Do you do this? Is that 1000 watts? What is the EV system voltage/vehicle type, weight, etc. that you charge with such an APU that you get unlimited range out of it? - It's 6hp per 1000 lbs of vehicle weight. My production EV will have 120vdc, 130 amphr pack with others optional. It's 1300 lbs with 3 wheels and made from composites. You only have genorate the EV's average power use if you have at least a 50 mile range. jerry dycus Ed B. www.biofuels.ca __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Pollution-free car
Hi Marc and All, - Original Message - From: F. Marc de Piolenc [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1. You'd be darned lucky to actually store 80% of the generated juice in a battery - or rather, you might store 80%, but you won't get that much back and still have reasonable battery life. Yes you will. Even if you only get 80% out at high discharge rates if you wait a while the power comes back as the chems get to the batt plates surface. Battery life of lead batts only gets hurt if you discharge more than 80%. With ni-cads is much better than this and they last 20+ years. That's in addition to the weight and cost penalties of batteries, which still have very low energy storage densities. Have you checked out the weight of fuel cells and NiMH H2 storage? They are not very good, little differance.. 2. Electrolysis units can be run up to .90+ efficiency if the current density is kept low - it's a tradeoff between capital cost of the I've never heard of eff this high. 60% is the best I've seen. electrolysis plant and efficiency, as a more efficient plant is more expensive to build. Of course there's a penalty for compression or whatever you do with the hydrogen (best is a fuel bladder at or near atmospheric pressure, but that appeals only to airship maniacs like myself), but even that doesn't drop you to 30% net. based on heat. If your goal is electricity, you can run hydrogen through a fuel battery and recover as much as 85% of input energy in a practical road machine. I'd like to see this info. Looks much to high. 50% maybe for fuel cell/ H2 production. In terms of capital cost, electrolytic hydrogen makes very good sense as an energy storage medium for power plants with intermittent output (solar and wind) if stored in gasometers or bladders, especially if there's a market or a profitable use for the oxygen (an oxygen-enriched gasifier, for example). With compression ...? How much does your Fuel cell cost? jerry dycus Best, Marc de Piolenc __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Electric car design
Hi Martin and All, --- Martin Klingensmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think there are people here experienced with electric vehicle ideas, I have a fairly broad-based question: Do any current electric vehicles utilize regenerative braking, or flywheel braking, and how much energy does this reclaim? Yes, but not worth it energy wise unless you live in a very hilly area. They do help save brakes though which helps because of the increased weight of conversions. Most AC controllers do it but are pricy and a few dc controllers like the ZAPI and some used Curtis controllers do but are rare. No one does flywheel storage I believe. Thanks Martin Klingensmith __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] OT Saving the whale
Hi All, I figured out how to save the right whale that has a net intangled on it but don't know where to get ahold of the people trying to save it. Any help with this off-list would be greatfully apreciated. jerry dycus __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] The Freedom EV
Hi All, Well I finally have the pics of my EV's male mold up thanks to a kind listee. I decided to offer custom units until I can get the cash up for production. I've decided to name it the Freedom EV. The address is http://homepage.mac.com/mephit/jerry.html Hope you like it, Jerry Dycus Gerald Dycus R+D __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] air car's indirect pollution vs EV's
Hi Dick, Harmon, David and All, David, Since you are wrong, who is the wanker? There is an old saying, it's better to let people think you are a fool than to open you mouth and remove all doubt. If you don't know and are guessing it's better to ask. There are no dumb questions, we all have to start somewhere. Harmon, For a given power storage there is little difference in weight needed between air and battery systems when everything is included with the better battery systems like ni-cads. Not much difference with lead acid either. If use the same power source to charge the car the air system will use 4 times the power per mile so which makes more pollution? --- Dick Carlstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: negre's air motor uses compressed air. this could (or not) cause 'centralised pollution. but this also holds true for ev's. But only 1/4 as much, see above. methinks what should be compared is the energy efficiency of compressed air vs. batteries, as storage mediums. Lead-acid batts are 90- 95% eff, air storage is maybe 40% or less eff. Those are really big differences. And that's just the storage, the rest goes down from there. and personally, i'd feel safer riding a windbag than a leadsled. Until you get in a crash and your 3000, 4500 PSI tanks blow up. Have you ever seen one of these blow, not pretty. Plus on an EV the batts can be put to absorb the crash forces like mine does. Battery acid isn't a problem either. How many times have a battery been a problem in an ICE. With as many crashes as they have had I've never heard of a problem. and of course a windbag will need less energy to move itself than an ev will, rolling resistance being proportional to weight. Weight only matters under 25 mph where they are about equal, over that air drag goes up the square of speed. but then, nothing beats a horse and buggy, right steve ? Can you imagine the smell of 100,000 horses in a small city? Really ripe!! You can have my share. ;-) the physics behind this thing are solid. and the marketing is brilliant = 500 factories world wide, all privately owned. the goals are modest = the franchise in spain calls for six factories, each able to put out 8-12'000 vehicles/yr. and the price is reasonable, u$s 8'000 for the unit built in spain. cost per factory, all in, is under u$s 4'500'000. less than what a learjet sells for, or what a full bells and whistle biodiesel facility sets you back, for that matter.. I'm usally impressed by your logic but it fails this time. it's definitely a city car. the taxi version is based on the ubiquitous london taxi layout. and at a penny a mile, it's hard to beat (mexico city is supposed to be getting 22'000 air taxis, starting this year). service stations in spain charge 250 pesetas a full charge (90 m^3) which translates to u$s 1.32 this gives over 130 miles range. Someone's been smoking good stuff!!! we have nation-wide availability of compressed natural gas service stations in argentina. transforming these bi-fuel (gas or air) would be as simple as putting additional filtering in, and a selector valve. the installed compressors are capable of quite a bit more than the 300 bar required for the air car. so re-fueling in argentina (or many other countries for that matter, such as italy) would be instantly available. and the on-board compressor is electric, not ic powered. Have you ever filled a tank to 300 bar,4500psi? Not easy, quick or cheap. With an onboard compressor it would take many hours and it would cost $3,000 plus and weigh 300 plus lbs. Double the cost and weight to cut the time in 1/2. Lead-acid batts can be charged 80% in 15 minutes. Air would take that long plus and need large amounts of cooling at a large air plant. Of course the cooling is more wasted energy. i find the concept and execution to be almost flawless. but then, i'm just a lateral thinker, having flunked 'nit-picking 101' at school. Picking nits is what counts. jerry dycus cheers, dick snip = polite, considerate, thoughtful, thrifty, aok. this is a public service message. __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Nuclear
Hi Pedro asnd All, --- Pedro M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know if there is any anti-nuclear or anti-petrol day ??. I think this is very necessary, because of the Bush Politics. I think you'll find that many eco's on this list like inheritly safe nukes. I'd love to get a couple of the fuel balls from a gas reactor. All the energy I'd need for 20 plus years with almost no pollution. While I'd go for an anti-fossil fuel day most of us on this list want to make fuels like petro from biomass without the problems with fossil petroleum. Now, we can see the anti-globalization movement. Are I'm more of an anti greedy, non-caring corporation person. As a general thing gobalization will help people overcome poverty, have a freer, better life if we can keep control of the corporations, corrupt goverments. they going to protest agains the http://www.iaea.int/ International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) Better to steer them to better nukes to burn up the nasty stuff. ; when you cannot see a similar UN agency for renowable energy. I'd really love to see it. But since they are not, we will. People all over the world read this list and are starting biofuel plants bypassing the big corporations. All the best. Same to you, jerry dycus __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] air car's indirect pollution vs EV's
Hi Harmon and All, --- Harmon Seaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: jerry dycus wrote: For a given power storage there is little difference in weight needed between air and battery systems when everything is included with the better battery systems like ni-cads. Not much difference with lead acid either. Can you give us an example of a 5 passenger, 700 kilo EV with 200km range? How about a 4 passenger, 900 kilo EV with a 300 kilometer range. It has been built, tested and proved but not produced. It's called the Selectra Sunrise. Can use show an air car that has been built that can do, has done what you say? Practical air power cars are vaporware. Just because it's been on the internet doesn't mean it's real or works. I'm presently building a 2 passenger, 700 kilo EV with 200 kilometer range. When I come up with the cash I'll produce it. jerry dycus If use the same power source to charge the car the air system will use 4 times the power per mile so which makes more pollution? Don't know where you're getting those figures from, but my own usage for vehicle would entail the power source being wind, so there's zero pollution. If you use 4 times as much power your pollution comes from the fossil fuels that the extra wind power would have replaced , the larger windplant needed for the same range. Plus you have to figure a major amount of pollution just to manufacture the battery for an EV, to replace it, and to recycle or landfill it. Ev'ers recycle batteries. Done right little pollution happens. I admit outside the US it's not always done right but as more EV's are on the road recycling these dead batteries become more valuable so people search time out for cash. New batteries like lithium are a lot less polluting and will be the future of EV's. jerry dycus -- Harmon Seaver, MLIS CyberShamanix Work 920-203-9633 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home 920-233-5820 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cybershamanix.com/resume.html __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: New Paint - Same Nukes was Re: [biofuel] Nuclear
Hi Todd, Keith and All, Keith, Inheritly safe reactors are designed so that if the cooling fails nothing bad happens. The nuclear balls are used in a gas cooled reactor. They have small amounts of nuke fuel surrounded by carbon sealed by several layers of nickel carbide. They heat up to about 1800F and stablize. A better nuke is one that will not melt down and burns up the old nuke warheads thus getting rid of them while making energy stopping, replacing the massive radioactivity, heavy metal, acid rain pollution from coal. I believe it will make the world a better, safer place. Coal is a much larger danger to mankind than new type nuke power plants by far. Do you really want all that nuke bomb material lying around? I don't, lets destroy it. The only good way to destroy it is to burn it up. --- Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you'll find that many eco's on this list like inheritly safe nukes. I'd love to get a couple of the fuel balls from a gas reactor. All the energy I'd need for 20 plus years with almost no pollution. U.Jerry, Pray tell...How can you be so up on your efficiency and conversion ratios on so many fuel sources, but not know about the exhorbidantly phenomenal energy input and emissions outputs for processing nuclear fuels? While it does take a lot of energy to make nuke fuel I don't want to make more, just burn up what we have from nuke bombs, a huge amount. I'll feel a lot better when it's burned up. While I don't have the math on producing nuke fuel from scratch I don't believe it's more than it puts out but that doesn't matter as I just want to burn up what we have. At least 100 years worth. In fact, when taking into consideration all mining, transportation and processing / enrichment energies for nuclear fuel, there is a greater consumption than if coal alone had been used to generate the same number of gigawatts. But coal produces many times more high level radiation products than the nuke industry besides other bad things. Tons per year for each coal plant. Not only is nuclear not energy efficient, it is not clean, as disposal remains a problem, water and atmospheric contamination and releases remain ongoing problems and coal is the primary fuel used to process nuclear fuels. In the US hydro is used in the area where the processing is done. The disposal problem is political, not practical. Further more, in these not always so lucid United States, not one single reactor in the nation mirrors another. Therefore, emergency response teams essentially have to learn the individual characteristics of over 100 different animals. Even employees cannot go from one plant to the next without undergoing considerable re-training. The new type plants are to be identical and 1/10 the size of the hot water reactors. They learned their lesson and are changing. Reactors will be built on an assembly line and shipped to the plant site. Kinda' like kicking Henry Ford off the assembly line, bringing in truckloads of tricycle, bicycle, lawnmower, baby carriage, motorcycle and spinning wheels, willy nilly attaching them to Model Ts, with no two vehicles ever ending up the same. See above. At least the Frogs had sense(?) enough to duplicate most of their plants, permitting staff and response teams to operate equally as proficiently in one as in any other. Finally the Frogs get one right!! Thanks for showing the way. The real clincher? The US Department of Energy is perfectly prepared to permit new construction of nuclear plants using the same shotgun method - no mold - no pattern - no conformity in applied technology - and still maintaining an unflinching acceptance of inherantly dangerous Light Water Reactors (LWRs). I doubt this is true as the new plants cost much less to build and run not to mention safer. Clean? Not a snowflake's chance in hell. And no level of cryogenics will make it so. A lot cleaner than coal and what does cryogenics have to do with it? Nothing. Safe? Not much more than the Hindenberg. A red herring if I ever saw one. You probably believe that the H2 blew up. What happened was the material used for the skin was very simular to solid rocket fuel and that static electricity ignited the skin. Did you know 2/3's of the passrengers survived because once the H2 did ignite it carried the flames up saving many people. Glowingly yours, jerry dycus ;-) Todd Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL
Re: [biofuel] Nuclear
Hi Pedro and All, --- Pedro M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, I am not sure I have understood all you are saying, because this is not in a plain easy english for me . Sorry, I'll try to be more clear. - Original Message - From: jerry dycus [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 3:16 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Nuclear Hi Pedro asnd All, --- Pedro M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you'll find that many eco's on this list like inheritly safe nukes. Nukes : nuclear . Yes. I'd love to get a couple of the fuel balls from a gas reactor. All the energy I'd need for 20 plus years with almost no pollution. You speak about gas. I think you speak about petrol gas. Would you use it better if you can get if from biomass . Me, for sure ;) Helium gas is used as the heat transfer medium to take the heat from the fuel to the boilers to make steam to make power. Now, we can see the anti-globalization movement. Are I'm more of an anti greedy, non-caring corporation person. You are speaking about anti-globalization movement, at least, like #antiglobalization channel in the irc-hispano network think of it. I hope so. It´s an anti-oligopolistic movement. It´s very usefull for us, because the great petrol corporations are against biodiesel ( like the international - originally spanish- corporations ). Time for your people to control your goverment. For sure, I agree with you. they going to protest agains the http://www.iaea.int/ International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) Better to steer them to better nukes to burn up the nasty stuff. A good ecologist it´s against nuclear energy, because ít´s danger. Remember Chernobyl. Not in my mind. Nuclear, non dam hydro and and other renewable energy sources are the way to go. Chernobyl was a bad design run by incompetent people and that's why we need inheritly safe reactors. Lots of people, ecologist or not, don´t want nuclear energy. And nuclear DANGER, death energy it´s powered by Bush Administration. The French and many others would disagree. Not really, the Bush administration is powered by fossil fuel industries mostly. I will recommend to antiglobalization movement create a Headquarter near Vienna International Centre in Austria, where the International Atomic Energy Agency has its headquarters ;) If you want but remember, be careful what you ask for, you may get it. ; when you cannot see a similar UN agency for renowable energy. I'd really love to see it. It will be some think to ask in the future antiglobalization meetings ;) I have said the idea in the antiglobalization forums and they hold the idea ;) Europe already has embraced the RE movement and we are trying to get it here in the US but the subsidies to the petro industries have kept it down but is changing. I'm very against Corperate welfare here. Without corporate welfare RE would be widespread here now for cost reasons.. People all over the world read this list and are starting biofuel plants bypassing the big corporations. It´s not so easy. Oligopolistic corporations in Spain have ONLY-PETROL laws ( Ley de Hidrocarburos ). For example, to create a petrol company to sell your gasoline to petrol-stations (yes, PETROL-stations ) you need to have 150.000 millions ptas ( nearly 1.000 millions euros ). Sad if true. Time to get your gov moving. I have heard of biodiesel plants in Spain so not sure if the gov stops them. Do you think I really can create a petrol company in my land. IMPOSSIBLE In the US if we don't like what the gov is doing we go blackmarket. A second think. wholesaler petrol companies OWN a lot of petrol-stations. They indicate them the prices and goods to sell ( for sure, they cannot sell biodiesel ). It´s a big problem. We need a law of incompatibility. So, the wholesaler companies COULDN´T HAVE PETROL-STATIONS. For sure, the field to play it´s not clean. I and a lot of people cannot create biodiesel companies in my land :-( All the best. Anyone else from Spain want to comment on Biodiesel industry there. Good luck, jerry dycus __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Nuclear
Hi Chuck and All, --- Chuck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you really this stupid or are you on drugs? Be nice Chuck, he doesn't understand english well yet, but he's trying. This forum is for learning about energy, not calling others names. There is room for all opinions even if you don't agree. It's better to state the reasons you disagree that being hurtful. It doesn't help your case by being that way. Let's teach, learn instead. Some of his ideas are quite good and he seems to care and have a good heart which is what really matters. Your's seems a litte dark. jerry dycus - Original Message - From: Pedro M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Undisclosed-Recipient:@vm4-ext.prodigy.net; Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2001 7:13 AM Subject: [biofuel] Nuclear Does anyone know if there is any anti-nuclear or anti-petrol day ??. I think this is very necessary, because of the Bush Politics. Now, we can see the anti-globalization movement. Are they going to protest agains the http://www.iaea.int/ International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) ; when you cannot see a similar UN agency for renowable energy. All the best. __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: New Paint - Same Nukes was Re: [biofuel] Nuclear
Hi Keith and All, --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Jerry Hm. I thought Todd might have made a mistake picking the Hindenberg as a metaphor. Not that it's the wrong metaphor, just that it got the wrong response. Okay then, let's pretend the Hindenberg wasn't a disaster at all. Neither was the Titanic, it was the iceberg that was badly designed. I guess your view of nukes fits in quite well with that. You haven't really responded to Todd's letter at all, nor to mine. Disposal isn't a real problem, eh? What've you been smoking? Good stuff!!! ;-) jerry dycus Keith Addison Journey to Forever __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Hemp as Biomass for Energy
Hi Tim and All, Several things jump out to me. You seem to expect 1 crop per year while most areas other than Canada will support 3 to 4 crops per year. Methanol cost well under $1 per gal in industral quanities. Methanol increases the amount of biodiesel by maybe 1/2 the methanol quanity adding value. Anyone care to comment on this? Syntroleum(sp?) Corp process, making a diesel like fuel from syn gas has about 90% of the energy of diesel rather than 40% like you say by some other process? These points greatly increase the cost effectiveness of hemp as a biofuel. Thanks for the good work, jerry dycus --- Tim Castleman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear list, Though I rarely make a contribution to this list, I have learned a great deal from all of your open sharing of ideas and information. A while back I posted a link to a paper I was working on regarding Hemp as Biomass for Energy. Prior to that I asked Keith to look over my work, which he graciously did, thank you Keith. Todd also got a peek at it, but as he was falling off his feet (which I assume means he was really tired) he only took a squint at it and said he would read more later and get back to me. He has not gotten back to me. Now, to the point of this post: Could you all please take a look at this and comment? I would really appreciate your honest, objective comments. http://www.fuelandfiber.com/Hemp4NRG/Hemp4NRG.htm Thanks in advance, Tim Castleman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Where direct the money
Hi Keith and All, --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have we a response for this problem ??. For sure, it´s the question of the future of biofuels Aye. I agree with Pedro. The money will go to the most effective lobbying , more dedicated to nuclear means less for renewables research. Nuclear has had its chance, and share of the public treasury for decades. Time to shift to renewables. Who cares? On this point, at least, we should. And the response is clear. Don't let the $ go there. Ed B. www.biofuels.ca Yea, I'll second that (third it?). Maybe we can shift this discussion from the pros and cons of nukes to how best to accomplish such an aim. There should be no subsidies for any nukes, coal or fossil fuels, that is how we got into this energy mess in the first place. If there were no subsidies for them, biofuels would be cheaper than them, thus used now. Oil is said to be over $100 a barrel ( Wall Street Journal) if the subsidies were not there. I'd guess it's about $60 to $80 a barrel. Biodiesel and other biofuels only cost under $50 a barrel now, if the true cost of petroleum was charged the world would be a better place. Not to mention the increased number of jobs, less pollution, better balance of payments, national security and decentralization of energy sources. I support only a temporary subsidy for RE's to catch up and removal of the present fossil fuel subsidies. I've been in contact with my and other congressmen, no women yet in my area, about RE and stopping corporate welfare, subsidies to the fossil fuel, corporate farms and other industries. In the US it only take a couple of hundred of phone calls, letters to impress politicians enough to do something. They don't get many. I am sorry I posted about nukes and will not do it again. I didn't think it would take up this much bandwidth. Thanks, jerry dycus Keith Addison __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://promo2.yahoo.com/sbin/Yahoo!_BusinessNewsletter/survey.cgi http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] RE: air car's indirect pollution vs EV's
Hi Cordain and All, --- doctor who [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My point is that when you wrap a EV around a tree or have a serious accident there is the potential for a Hazmat situation (drip or no drip it's still acid and hydrogen), electrocution or electrical fire. Whereas compressed air is just that. Sweep up the pieces and go. There is little acid or H2 in lead batteries. The acid nowdays will only hurt your clothes unless left on for a while. Gasoline on your skin will burn it a lot faster. These or electrocution hasn't happened in any of the EV's that have crashed. These are not problems in real life. Get over it. I'm still looking for some life span studies on batteries as compared to compressed air. I cannot believe that the manufacture, maintenance and disposal cost for batteries is lower than that of compressed air systems. If so I better go replace my pnuematic jackhammer with one of those battery operated rigs. I'm running Flooded Ni-cads in my E-bike that are over 25 years old and still put out more than rated power. How long do you want them to last? If you include energy per mile Ev's will beat air by several times over 10 years. Let's stop the unrelated comparisions, OK? They only show how desperate you are to prove your point. On another note what is to stop someone from adding a generator/alternator to one of the drag wheels to power a high efficiency compressor? As long as you dont exceed the maximum recovery rate of the compressor, your station refills could be limited to the occasional pressure top off for those heavy loads. This shows you really don't understand energy eff. Join the free energy list. errands. You will never see a practical EV long haul tractor trailer. And I have Unlike cars, tractor-trailers run at max power all the time making them eff. But even there hybird electric is about 25% better. yet to see any EV that will drive straight thru from Virginia to Florida at highway speeds. I like to get there without 8 hour layovers for the car to charge. I've never seen a car that can do it either. Ev's can charge in 15 minutes . They do it all the time at LAX in their airport limo's. They run 24 hr a day just recharging while loading up new passengers. I would like to see your working example of an air car doing the same? Where are they? They don't exist, do they? Until you can show a real working example you are just hot air. So put up or be quite. Compressed air technology has the advantage of substituting liquid gas for compresssed gases for the purpose of increasing the ranges. No they don't. Again this shows you don't know what you are talking about. Just how is liquid air going to increase your range? While it sounds good it has the problem that you have to put energy into it to turn it back into pressure. How you liquidfy air is you take all the energy out of it. Using the heat of the air to reexpand it thru heat exchangers will just clog the HE with ice. Will not work at all in winter. The only other way is to burn fuel to reheat it. EV's stay relativly constant with the amount of charge they will contain and last time I checked they still take several hours to gain a full range charge. Another Apparently you haven't checked around much. advantage is the wasted energy from gas expansion is used to the cool the vehilce. Do they make EV's with AC? Now there is one advantage of air power. And yes they make EV's with AC's. Sure it takes energy to power the compressors. I'd love to see a high compression plant powered by alternative energies. If that where to be the case than IMHO the EV car theory would be put aside as the antiquated technology it is. But you can still go 3 or 4 times as far on the same energy with an EV than an Air car. How eco is that? Please learn some before talking about things you obviously know little about. Take a science course. Good Luck, you'll need it, jerry dycus Respectfully, Cordain Dulles, VA __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://promo2.yahoo.com/sbin/Yahoo!_BusinessNewsletter/survey.cgi http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Millennium Cell
Hi Tim and All, --- Tim Castleman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.millenniumcell.com Millennium Cell is a development stage company focused on the generation of a new, clean, abundant and renewable source of energy. Millennium Cell's patented boron-based energy technology delivers a hydrogen fuel that is safe, clean and easily transported, without the need for compression or liquefaction. In addition, we are developing longer-life batteries based on boron electrochemistry. Have you folks heard of this before? I guess not actually a biofuel, but seems very relevant. If true could be good. But even if true you still need to make H2 to store. Then you still need something to use the H2. The good thing for us is it's easy to make H2 by heating most biomass to 1600F turns it to H2 and CO, syn-gas. Also isn't boron deadly? What about boron salts? Are they stable enough to keep boron safe? Are they safe? jerry dycus Tim __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://promo2.yahoo.com/sbin/Yahoo!_BusinessNewsletter/survey.cgi http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Millennium Cell
Hi Keith and All, Before you get to enthusiastic find out how much energy it take to make this stuff. It may not be eff. Also many catalyst use very expensive materials. That's the big hangup with fuel cells now. jerry dycus --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.millenniumcell.com Millennium Cell is a development stage company focused on the generation of a new, clean, abundant and renewable source of energy. __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Why biofuels ???
Hi Keith and All, If Chuck is this rude again we should axe him. It's uncalled for. I disagree with Pedro too but would never be as disrespectful as Chuck. jerry dycus --- Chuck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's a con job. Are you always going to be stupid? - Original Message - From: Pedro M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] air car missconceptions, you got that right:
Hi Dick and All, --- Dick Carlstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the air car is presently manufactured in france. it is a thoroughly road tested vehicle. there is one us franchise already, so local non-believers will soon be able to stand corrected. Do you have an URL for it? How many have been built? it is an urban car. lightweight, agile, easy to fix/repair, crashworthy tested. an entry level urban car, low priced, and versatile (there are delivery van/pick-up/taxi/passenger car versions). What is it's range? Who is using it besides the factory? Who verified the performance? and it is not the 'ultimate' solution. no vehicle is. mtbf, service requirements, topography, user profile, mission profile, opportunity cost, operating cost, are just a few of the variables that should be taken into account when comparing vehicles. as to the ev/air car non-controversy, i go back to my initial statement: we should compare energy densities, and more precisely weight/energy densities. someone posted that rolling resistance was only influential to 25 mph. i would hazard that most urban situations will be well within that envelope. EV's can get over 230 plus mile range verified in an EV traveling on I-95 at 75 mph between Boston and NY. This EV only weighs 2300 lbs, carries 4 passengers and a top speed regulated to 85 mph. Selectra Sunrise is it's make, model. Is that good enough density for you? Can an air powered car do it? What would an air car with these ratings weigh? Could it even be built? With air cars energy/ volume would be the problem too. What is it? The other person was talking about long range. If you only need a 5 mile range air may work. Not good for most people. The one's built in the US were really bad in these points. Some barely went 1 mile and they froze up. Waiting for verifiable facts, I have mine, waiting for yours, jerry dycus once more onto the breach, my dear friends, once more.(ws) cheers, dick __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] air car primer
Hi Dick, Pedro and All, Pedro, thanks for the URL. The tanks are huge and wouldn't be practical to change though with a cooling system, more weight, they could be filled fairly fast, 10 minutes from very large storage tanks at even higher pressures. To quote their figures it takes 3.5 hours at 5kw to recharge them from their compressor. This is 17.5 Kw. How much does your electricity cost? Here it's about $.10 a Kwhr. Also in the last 1/3 of the tank power will go way down to nothing at 1/8 tank pressure, under 400 lbs, because of the way the strange motor works. At 50 mph or stop and go, hills at 35 mph, range would be about 20 miles. So that's $1.75 for 20 miles realilisticly is $.0875 a mile for fuel. Quite high vs $.01 to .02 for EV's. That's assuming he didn't use selective, unlikely satistics like in the other stats he uses in other places. For instance he does max range at 20 km/hr. Not very practical. I can build an EV to beat these easily, cheaply. In the same car using EV tech would weigh the same or less. To claim 300km at 20 kmhr to prove it will run for 10 hours says it all. --- Dick Carlstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: negre's aircar is an urban, repeat, urban vehicle. it is not designed or meant to travel on i-95 from boston to ny. it is meant to travel within an urban environment, moving driver plus four passengers. it uses 70 % of the road space, and costs 25 % of what the selectra costs. it weighs 700 + pounds less than the selectra. While this is true the Selectra will go 400 plus miles at these speeds, 35 mph. I would not want to be in any kind of crash in the air car because you will be history from it's bad space design. That doesn't include the problems of the dangers of the huge tanks that have NO crash, crush space. Even crashing into a small, 2000 lb steel car at 25 mph would be disasterous. The composite EV I'm building will be 10 times as safe at 300 lbs less including batts. Of course it's only 2+2 but still. Another problem is stabilty if you put more than the driver and even with just the driver it will roll faster than a Ford Explorer. Loaded to what the designer says it will carry it will be dangerous. It's called Center of Gravity. Another thing is the exhauts is - 30C. That's a hell of a lot of heat lost which cost money, eff. with a full charge of air the range varies between 62 and 186 miles, depending on how fast, or uphill, or heavy, you travel. At 20 kmhr , 15 mph that range is a joke. Expolating it the 62 mile range would be at 35 mph on flat with steady speed, again a joke. A good EV will beat the crap out of that. My EV can get 250 miles+ with golf cart batteries at 35 mph. it can re-charge to 100 % in less than three minutes, which neither the solectra, or any other electric car for that matter, can do. (100 %, not 80 %) True but for less cost and weight than the onboard compressor you could have an APU to charge while you drive at 1/3 the energy cost of the air car. 80% charge in 15 minutes is good enough for me. Ni-cads can go 100% in 20 minutes now. it is an alternative, not a magic bullet. just as the selectra, or the think, are alternatives. But comparitively not a not very good one. A 1909 Baker Electric will beat the pants off the aircar in range at the same speeds. The car companies seem to want EV's to fail and are making it happen. Here in the US there are thousands of people converting gas cars to electric that are very sucessful, why can't the car companies? the aircar is 100 % privately funded, and has no direct or indirect connection to any car manufacturer. And I think now that I've seen the website I know why, it's I believe a scam. Why else would they use such unrealistic satistics. If the truth came out no investors would bite. and the more the market knows about alternatives, the wiser the choice it can make. But unless you are technical you wouldn't know how bad the air car is. As a car designer it's easy for me. berating somebody's effort, or ideas, just because they don't coincide with yours, is not my idea of progress. and using information out of context -- as when comparing apples and pears -- is like cheating at solitaire. imho. It was the closest thing I could find. Other than being 25% heavier but proporionate it is a good comparision even with lead batteries it beats the pants off the air car. Cost in production wouldn't be that different considering the greatly higher performance. It also has the benifit of being independently tested, something I didn't see on the website of the air car. . I would love to see it succeed but I don't see it happening. You can't change phyics. jerry dycus '...or close up the wall with our english dead...' (again, ws) ? cheers, dick
Re: [biofuel] Hemp in America
Hi Steve and All, In 10 or so states it's legal now for industral hemp. Most of these states allow medical marijauna too. The Feds are still pissed about it though. But it's hard to make a federal case from something that the states say is legalin their state. Let's hope they come to their senses and legalize it federally. jerry dycus --- steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: indeed, for many decades. Steve Spence -- - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have just been told that hemp has been banned in America. Is this true? RG __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Hemp in America
Hi Harmon and All, --- Harmon Seaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, that's not true --- a number of states have actually legalized some pilot plots to be grown, not just a *study* of whether or not to do it. And the LaKota Souix tribe (a sovereign nation) in the Dakotas has fully legalized the growing of hemp on tribal land. True, the fedz have raided and destroyed their plot last year and this, but the court action has begun, and, it is highly probable that the tribe will prevail --- their treaty gives specifically spells out the right to grow whatever crops they wish. I heard that the governor of Kentucky after the raid loaded up a truck load of hemp and drove it to the tribe. Hemp has always grown in the US. It's all over Missouri, Indiana, Illinois and Kentucky growing wild in large quanities left over from the WWII Hemp for Victory program. The armed forces needed good rope for the war and hemp doesn't rot or melt. The weird thing is most is on federal properties like national forests. It's sad that a plant loved by our founding fathers, Washington and Jefferson amoung others, could end up being so lied about by the feds. The feds have no shame. As will the states, eventually --- the fedz are going to end up looking pretty stupid trying to defend their policy in light of the commercial farming of hemp all around the world. Not to mention the increasing legalization of marijuana itself in so many countries -- Canada being one of them shortly. The only reason it isn't legal completely in many countries is the US threatning them with anything they can like trade, aid, ect. They have went as far as to force scienctist to change their research when hemp, marijauna was looking good. Others intimidated by the US are the AMA, US Center for Disease Control, UN panel on Drugs, ect. jerry dycus Richard J Laue wrote: Todd says: Several states have enacted legislation to study industrial hemp and or to permit farmers to grow it. I was informed last week that Montana has just joined this list. __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] New here, have questions
Hi Walter and All, --- walter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow! This is the best response to a question I've ever gotten in any group! Thanks! Your welcome, it is a good group. If I had a MG with the motor already out I'd go 1 of 2 ways. As Ed said, a Kabota 3 cyl 18 hp diesel would get you about 80 to 100 MPG. The car Ed was talking about is on the Robert Q Riley website. Many good homebuilt cars on this site including the Doran, the Urba series and running on electric, diesel and gas. Good design papers on small and 3 wheel cars too under downloads. Making biodiesel from waste veg oil will be a lot easier and cheaper. The other way is electric. There are several on the web. Check out the EV Photo Album for some MG's and put in EV MG in yahoo and you will find others. There's one website with a complete photo series of the whole process from SF. Look around EV on yahoo and you'll find it. If you make your own alcohol I'd use it 80 to 90% with the rest water. You really need to raise the compression ratio to at least 12-1 to get better power and mileage. I wouldn't make alcohol unless you have something like cattle or pigs to use the leftover mash. The most difficult thing for making alcohol is getting the last 10% of water out of it but if you use it straight some water is no problem. It will take a lot more than 4 apple trees to make enough alcohol for it. For making electricity a wind genorator or hydro is a more cost effective way. EV range can be increased by charging at work or other places or making a fueled genorator to run while driving and/or parked. A 3kw genorator will give unlimited range. But the eventual goal I have is power self-sufficiency, hopefully within five years. With electric, I think I can produce enough solar source? Does this sound like the impossible dream? No it's not, many have already did it. jerry dycus thanks walter __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] ]- Perko lamps- wick heaters
Hi Todd and All, Try boat supply stores for the Perko brand of lamps and others with circular wicks. Can someone with experience with wick heaters on filtered WVO and biodiesel. Winter is coming up and I want to heat with WVO this winter. Thanks, jerry dycus --- Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone have accurate idea as to where one can find a contemporary supplier of Argand style oil lamps? These are circular wicked, with a draught tube running through the center of the wick to oxygenate the combustion process. The flame burns on both the interior and exterior of the circular wick, providing considerably greater candle power than the traditional raw oil lamps. The same tube transfers heat to the oil in the fuel chamber, pre-heating it, permitting greater wicking properties for oils that normally do not wick well. Chimney is the norm. Circa 1784 is when the patent was filed by Ami Argand. US Patent Trademark Office only has records on line back to 1790. Todd Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/zoU8wD/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Diesel emission passing fuel was, BD 2 stroke oil update
Hi Keith and All, CRC is selling gallons of diesel fuel garrentied to make a diesel pass emissions test where they have them. Could this just be Biodiesel? Thanks, jerry dycus --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All Well some said no and some yes , I'm here to say that it dose work as 2 stroke oil and quite well at that , at first I was hasades to use it in my chain saw but after a while and having given it some thought, I used a 20 to 1 mix and it worked fine the smell is some what that off a high grade synthetic 2 stroke oil that I have used in the past , after using the saw for 2.5 hours in one go on dead Australian hard wood with no hick ups I was very impressed to say the leased So there you go, you can use it as 2 stroke oil and don't let any-one tell you other wise until they had tried it for them selfs Martin R. Good on you Martin! I felt sure that'd be the case, but nothing like knowing, eh? Wonder what would happen if you changed the gasoline for ethanol? By the way, not sure about it, but I've been told synthetic oil more or less IS biodiesel, with lots of processing and no-doubt well-additived. Thanks! Keith Addison __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/MDsVHB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Diesel emission passing fuel was, BD 2 stroke oil update
Hi ED and All, CRC is a company that makes lubs and other things. Mostly known for it's consumer spray can oils, lubes and solvents but has many other products. I use them a lot. jerry dycus --- Edward Beggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who is CRC? - Original Message - From: jerry dycus [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 12:17 PM Subject: [biofuel] Diesel emission passing fuel was, BD 2 stroke oil update Hi Keith and All, CRC is selling gallons of diesel fuel garrentied to make a diesel pass emissions test where they have them. Could this just be Biodiesel? Thanks, jerry dycus --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All Well some said no and some yes , I'm here to say that it dose work as 2 stroke oil and quite well at that , at first I was hasades to use it in my chain saw but after a while and having given it some thought, I used a 20 to 1 mix and it worked fine the smell is some what that off a high grade synthetic 2 stroke oil that I have used in the past , after using the saw for 2.5 hours in one go on dead Australian hard wood with no hick ups I was very impressed to say the leased So there you go, you can use it as 2 stroke oil and don't let any-one tell you other wise until they had tried it for them selfs Martin R. Good on you Martin! I felt sure that'd be the case, but nothing like knowing, eh? Wonder what would happen if you changed the gasoline for ethanol? By the way, not sure about it, but I've been told synthetic oil more or less IS biodiesel, with lots of processing and no-doubt well-additived. Thanks! Keith Addison __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/MDsVHB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] bio diesel in lanterns, Heaters
Hi Todd and All, Needing a heater for this winter would a multi-wick floating on WVO with a 1/2 inch rise work? Kind of like the VO floating candles but with larger wicks. Thanks, jerry dycus --- Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom, We've tried blends of biodiesel with distillate lamp oil and found the result to be the same as with straight biodiesel - insufficient wicking properties. Have not tried any other dilutants as of yet. Biodiesel will dissolve in large amounts of methanol. It might do the same with ethanol. It would certainly alter the combustion and safety properties to somewhere between a Bunsen burner and an oil lamp. I don't know if ethanol's hydrophilic properties would begin to pose problems with a lamp left idle for long periods or not. Todd Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Tom Kissick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 2:09 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] bio diesel in lanterns Thyanks Todd I thought as much.Is there a process to bring down the specific gravity for biodiesel.For example cutting it with ethanol perhaps. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/47cccB/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Bd 2 stroke, caster oil warning
Hi All, Beware about breathing the fumes of castor oil in 2 stroke exhausts. It will cause your bowel to forcefully evactuate making a very embarrassing mess. jerry dycus __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/MDsVHB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Hydrogen Question
Hi Bob? and All, Could the people on the list please edit your posts. 15K to 42K just for 1 or 2 lines isn't cool. Always edit the trailers/ signatures because they are about 4K+ each. Many posts lately have had as many as 8 of these . Also if you edit well listees will be able to read it easier and figure out what you are talking about. On H2 go for it if you want but because of storage problems and energy wasted when making it make it a net energy loser. Using high value electric energy to make H2 is a real loser. Steve is right about it and if you are smart you'll listen to him. jerry dycus --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: we don't have enough low cost energy to free the hydrogen from the water. __ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/47cccB/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] How do you convert a fuel injected vehicle?
Hi All, Most newer US cars can use 25/40 ethanol/gas mixture if you have 100% alcohol. Many flexible fuel cars are already out there mostly running straight gas but will run E85/ M85, 85% ethanol/ methanol and 15% gas. Many owners don't even know they are. Look for the FFV logo on the front side of the car. Detroit built a lot of them, I think 200,000+. Anyone have better details and which model years/ makes and are they still doing it? jerry dycus --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are serious about this conversion, you should contact Power Chip of Orlando Florida they will make custom chips for computer controlled vehicles __ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] E85
Hi Steve and All, Thanks everyone for the E85 vehicle info. jerry dycus --- steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: see www.e85fuel.com __ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/MDsVHB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Hydrogen Question
on non-dam hydro making electricity for 1 to 2 cents/kwhr. Add to that biofuels from waste, energy farming we can create many jobs here instead of shipping our money and jobs overseas. Write letters to papers and congress now. I do. That is an outline of how hydrogen can become competitive with energy from oil. Please feel free to disagree with any of the points I've mentioned (they are not mine, I'm merely repeating what I have read and heard in over 30 years of interest in hydrogen), but don't compare electrolytic hydrogen from coal or oil fired powerplants (or worse, from photovoltaics!) with solar thermal electrolytic hydrogen. The key to effective H2 production lies in using hot, concentrated solar processes that thermodynamically favor electrolysis and answer the exergy issue. We have the technology to do this right now--not in thirty years. Not without wasting a lot of money. Whenever I mention this over at sci.energy.hydrogen the silence from people whose education and experience far exceeds my own simply astonishes me. Now, can we return to talking about biofuels? We are. jerry dycus robert luis rabello __ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/MDsVHB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Biodiesel, Biofuel workshop in Sacramento 9-25
Hi All, Running through the Cal Energy Commission website I noticed that there is a biodiesel/biofuel workshop they are putting on in Sacramento, Cal on 9-25 at the Hyatt Rengency Hotel. It's under Alt Fuel Vehicles on their website. If someone goes could they let us know if anything worthwhile is said? jerry dycus __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/MDsVHB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Does all forms of power generation kill things?
Hi, They are painting eyes and putting on reflective strips on the blades to cut bird strikes down. It's an overblown danger I believe. Of the 30 small windgenerators I've built and installed non have killed a bird that I know of. Here in Fla we have a big problem of buttheads letting cats breed and turning them loose to be ferral. They kill a lot of squirrels and birds but nature has come up with a solution. We have large owls here and I've seen them catching and eating the ferral cats. Talk about loud in the middle of the night!! I'm currently working on non-dam hydro electric generation systems that have the eco impact of a rock the same size. A 10 kw unit is in the design stage now for home and small businesses. A 100kw module for utility use will be next. They will help replace the dam hydro units that may be taken out of service because of eco reasons and the stretches that run at 2mph or more. These will produce serious power with almost nil eco impact. I'm going to test the big unit for eco impact by swimming through it while running. And no I'm not crazy, well at least not about this! ;-) jerry dycus --- light as a feather [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: isn't there anyway to shield? Some sort of enclosure or something? It seems an awfully sad reason to blow off wind power all together... sarah ~ You gotta be crazy Its too late to be sane... -Robin Williams ~ __ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/Gi0tnD/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] running a house from a generator
Hi Ed and All, Running a house 24/7 from a generator su--s. I tried for a few days and the generator drove me crazy. The best way is to run everything from a battery system charged from wind, solar, hydro or for last resort a generator a few hrs a day. Almost all the household needs can be met with 12vdc. Any that can't can be run from an inverter. A good way to make a 12vdc refridgerator is to make a top openning box or take a well insulated regular fridge and turn it on it's back and put in a 12vdc boat conversion unit to cool it. I like to use norcold 12vdc rv/boat fridges that the box has rusted out, take the working parts out and install them into the well insulated top loading box. I pick these rusted fridges for $25 all the time at flea markets, ect. That takes care of the most problematic load. 12vdc lights, fans, stereos, tv's, pots and pans,ect are availiable at RV and boat stores everywhere. This kind of system will cost less in the long run and be much easier to live with. I lived for 20 years on a sailboat with only 12vdc without a problem, generated by wind and tidal/ sailing speed powered generators. While Real Goods does have some good stuff I call them Real Pricy Goods now. For the original poster do you have any good wind, hydro or solar potential at your site? If you do I'd go for that. Ed's extra insulation trick really works. Put the most on the bottom like 3, 2 on the sides and 1 on the top will really decrease the time it runs and power consumed.If building one from scratch put another inch on the bottom and sides. Little cool escapes the top. Urethane foam is twice as good as styrofoam. Hope this helps, jerry dycus --- Neoteric Biofuels Inc. - E. Beggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Suggest adding lots of insulation around the standard (cheap) freezer. Locate in unheated outbuilding or garage so it does not have to run much in winter. Same space should have lots of insulation in summer. Reflective insulation and 2 stryofoam works well to add insulation to a freezer, BTW. On the outside. Worked well for the fridge on my boat, at least. Ed B. www.biofuels.ca __ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/Gi0tnD/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Biodiesel prices
Hi Ronald and All, The local Tampa bus line buys their B100 at $.99 a gallon from the company that used to be named NOPEC. Using free WVO it should be able to be made for $.50 a gal and sold for $1.50 at most. Anyone selling for more than that isn't doing it right or screwing people. jerry dycus --- Sharon Mac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the current price per litre of B100 and for comparison that of petro diesel ?( in the USA that is ) regards Ronald. __ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/Pv4pGD/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] running a house from a generator
Hi Harmon and All, You can use 12vdc for most things and an inverter for most of the rest with a biofuel ICE gen as backup and for those really heavy things most of us will never use. With the right 12vdc units the difference is about nil. I've lived happily with 12vdc for 20 plus years. jerry dycus --- Harmon Seaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: jerry dycus wrote: Hi Ed and All, Running a house 24/7 from a generator su--s. I tried for a few days and the generator drove me crazy. Well, yeah, if you're just talking about a little air-cooled genset. No, you don't want to do that -- not only will it be costly and noisy, but it won't last very long at all. You have to have a nice water-cooled engine to start with, then you enclose it with about 1 foot or better of insulation all around, and a very long, water cooled exhaust system. Done right, you'll never hear a sound. And if the engine is sized right, it will just sit there spinning away at 1200-1800 rpm, it'll last forever. The best way is to run everything from a battery system charged from wind, solar, hydro or for last resort a generator a few hrs a day. Unless you make it a cogen (heat and power) unit running on biodiesel or woodgas (or both). Almost all the household needs can be met with 12vdc. Any that can't can be run from an inverter. A good way to make a 12vdc refridgerator is to make a top openning box or take a well insulated regular fridge and turn it on it's back and put in a 12vdc boat conversion unit to cool it. I like to use norcold 12vdc rv/boat fridges that the box has rusted out, take the working parts out and install them into the well insulated top loading box. I pick these rusted fridges for $25 all the time at flea markets, ect. That takes care of the most problematic load. A fridge is fairly easy, but a real freezer -- I mean one big enough to seriously put away a lot of your garden and a deer or two -- isn't. If I was going to try to run a freezer off of batteries, I'd build the whole thing from scratch, big super-insulated box, and a compressor unit from a commercial unit with a DC motor. But probably 24vdc. 12vdc lights, fans, stereos, tv's, pots and pans,ect are availiable at RV and boat stores everywhere. This kind of system will cost less in the long run and be much easier to live with. Well, except you still have to heat and aircondition your house, run aircompressors and welders, and all that stuff. So, for me, that makes a cogen unit seem a whole lot more practical. Do it all with power to spare. I lived for awhile with a 12vdc system, but it was pretty limiting, especially with the price of 12v tools, and all the rest. -- Harmon Seaver, MLIS CyberShamanix Work 920-203-9633 Home 920-233-5820 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cybershamanix.com/resume.html __ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/Gi0tnD/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: motor bike engine
Hi Grendel and All, --- In biofuel@egroups.com, Grendel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will probably also alter or replace the pistons to up the compression. The fastest, easiest ways to increase compression are taking out the head gasket and use a Form a Gasket type product instead and/ or milling the head. I'm thinking of the same thing. I have a couple old 2-stroke Yamahas. Easy rejet. Compression will be a little more dificult but not much. Will use Castor oil for the oil injector... it WORKS... it's what the 2- stroke drag bikes use. Just a matter of a working still. Be careful breathing castor oil fumes or you will be in for a nasty surprise. It causes your intestines to contract expelling their contents causing a mess. -- eGroups Sponsor -~-~ eGroups eLerts It's Easy. It's Fun. Best of All, it's Free! http://click.egroups.com/1/9698/2/_/837408/_/975463685/ -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] motor bike engine
Hi Grendal and All, --- Grendel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: how about easiest? The easiest way is electric. What type of motorcycle do you have and what do you want to use it for? jerry dycus Ethanol. I don't have any idea what a deisel conversion would entail...if it's even possible. Ethanol can be used in any engine that runs gas with a few mods. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ -- eGroups Sponsor -~-~ eGroups eLerts It's Easy. It's Fun. Best of All, it's Free! http://click.egroups.com/1/9698/0/_/837408/_/975623477/ -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] Woodgas generators aka gasifiers
Hi All, Great post on producer gas genorators. What about producing gas from heating wood to 600 to 1400 degrees F ( pyrolysis) without burning with air? Is there any info on gas output, temps nessary and it's effect on gas output? They use it in industry to make coke from coal and charcoal from wood. It makes a hi grade/ hi btu gas that burns clean with little filtering that's simular to natural gas. I have a good deal of info on doing this with coal but haven't found much on wood. It looks like the output will mostly be 50% methane, 30% hy, some methanol,co2, ethane and co. BTW a good way to get rid of co2 is bubble it through cool water at pressure, 200 lbs +?, and it liquidfies into the water. If you're storing the gas under pressure anyway this will help you get more gas into a given tank for producer gas. It cools and cleans the gas too. Thanks for your help, jerry dycus __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ -- eGroups Sponsor -~-~ eLerts It's Easy. It's Fun. Best of All, it's Free! http://click.egroups.com/1/9699/0/_/837408/_/975808485/ -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] Re: Re flywheel engines
Hi All, When I last checked 8 years ago they were still being built by Lister and Petter in England and sold in large # for road construction and pumping uses in the US. They are air cooled too. Volvo makes one for boat use that's water cooled. A great way to heat your house and make electricity. Save big bucks every winter. Call your local construction , marine or genorator equipment co for them. Hope this helps, jerry dycus --- Andrew Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, they are still made in India. I have an Australian made version. It is 4hp, and runs up to 800rpm. I have it coupled to a 2kVA alternator. It is water cooled, weighs about 200kg and is over 50 years old and runs like a dream. I run it on straight chicken fat (the stuff that drips off the chickens as they cook) it is the consistancy of thick cream, stinks, attracts the flies but works well. I would put my money into one of these (where practical) any day rather than the modern high speed diesels. I have seen similar diesels in use throughout Thailand and Indonesia. Andrew. --- In biofuel@egroups.com, DAVID REID [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keith, I think they still make them in the Phillipines and use them there. B.r., David __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ -- eGroups Sponsor -~-~ eLerts It's Easy. It's Fun. Best of All, it's Free! http://click.egroups.com/1/9699/0/_/837408/_/976709560/ -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] flywheel engines link correction
Hi Tee and All, Thanks for the addresses. --- Tee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.lister-petter.co.uk/product.htm On this site under the L and T series diesels are modern versions of the old slow diesels. These work well down to 400 rpm and have a max of 1800 rpm. They are perfect for biodiesel. You can get parts too. You can get an Indian/ China motor if you want but Listers are a better value for the same job. If you need a low price buy used. jerry dycus http://www.blueridgediesel.com/dieselengines/lister.htm http://www.dessco.com/lister.htm At 04:12 AM 12/13/2000 -0800, you wrote: Hi All, When I last checked 8 years ago they were still being built by Lister and Petter in England and sold in large # for road construction and pumping uses in the US. They are air cooled too. Volvo makes one for boat use that's water cooled. A great way to heat your house and make electricity. Save big bucks every winter. Call your local construction , marine or genorator equipment co for them. Hope this helps, jerry dycus --- Andrew Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, they are still made in India. I have an Australian made version. It is 4hp, and runs up to 800rpm. I have it coupled to a 2kVA alternator. It is water cooled, weighs about 200kg and is over 50 years old and runs like a dream. I run it on straight chicken fat (the stuff that drips off the chickens as they cook) it is the consistancy of thick cream, stinks, attracts the flies but works well. I would put my money into one of these (where practical) any day rather than the modern high speed diesels. I have seen similar diesels in use throughout Thailand and Indonesia. Andrew. --- In biofuel@egroups.com, DAVID REID [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keith, I think they still make them in the Phillipines and use them there. B.r., David __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ -- eGroups Sponsor -~-~ eLerts It's Easy. It's Fun. Best of All, it's Free! http://click.egroups.com/1/9699/0/_/837408/_/976746398/ -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] half brained idea
Hi Brian and All, --- Bryan Fullerton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: $50,000? where do you come up with that figure? Please don't quote the military pricing.. Allt he parts necessary to do that kind of conversion should be available on the net.. --Bryan 4 Wheel motors are not cheap. The low speed/ hi torque requirement is hard to do. Neither are 4 controllers to run them and the unit to make them run together. Then you have a big alt and the curcuits to control them. A very large battery pack of AGM or ni-cad batteries. The 4 x4 , someone to put it together, ect. If you want a good 4x4 , 1 motor, 1 controller , flooded batteries you can get by for 3k to 10k if you do it yourself. This will not be a kick ass 4 x 4 as was requested. The military paid a lot more than $50,000 for the first humvee that way, probably over 1 million. Production ones about $150,000 each. Later, jerry dycus Hi , --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: had a interesting thought to promote biodiesel. take a 4 wheel drive diesel pickup. remove tranny and replace with high wattage alternator (perm mag generator?). mount electric motors on all wheels. fill bed of pickup with batteries, fill her up with biodiesel and go drag racing. a biofuelie lead sled! It's been done by the army. They took a Humvee and did exactly that. Most new military vehicles in the future will be this way. They see them as mobile gens too. Cost $50,000 to do it though to a 4 x 4. jerry dycus __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ -- eGroups Sponsor -~-~ eGroups eLerts It's Easy. It's Fun. Best of All, it's Free! http://click.egroups.com/1/9698/0/_/837408/_/976923396/ -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] half brained idea
Hi Bryan, --- Bryan Fullerton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I disagree... unless you are getting exotic with your electric motors. i.e. thin and nearly as big as the wheel. While these kinds of motors are cool I haven't been able to find them since I saw them on the net about 3 years ago.. There are ways to do the conversion with standard motors made for Electric cars. I have thought of at least 3 different ways to do it and my problem has been deciding which way to go. If you've a source for those fancy motors.. mind indulging me? thanks All wheel motors I know of are custom made. This drives the price thru the roof. Personally I don't see why people need a 4000+ lb vehicle to move 1 or 2 people around. What we need are smaller biodiesel and electric vehicles not larger. If I was building a kick ass 4x4 I'd leave the diesel in place and run it on biodiesel to the rear wheels and a 9 ADC motor , DCP 1200 controller and 192 volt pack of Optima yellow top batts to the front axle. Less work, but still costs 10k to 15k. A 4 wheel motor system is this 1 motor system times 4. Gets to 50 k quickly. I'm currently building a 3 wheeled Ev car and planning to produce a composite enclosed 2 seat sport wagon with 2 wheels in front. I'm painfully aware of what things cost. Try bringing in a low production car to market you find out about prices fast. I'm good at keeping cost down so if you send me off list your vehicle model, preferably a light one, it's mission ie off road, commute, ect? and other details I could point you in the right place. jerry dycus --Bryan - Original Message - From: jerry dycus [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@egroups.com Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 3:36 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] half brained idea Hi Bryan and All, --- Bryan Fullerton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: $50,000? where do you come up with that figure? Please don't quote the military pricing.. Allt he parts necessary to do that kind of conversion should be available on the net.. --Bryan 4 Wheel motors are not cheap. The low speed/ hi torque requirement is hard to do. Neither are 4 controllers to run them and the unit to make them run together. Then you have a big alt and the curcuits to control them. A very large battery pack of AGM or ni-cad batteries. The 4 x4 , someone to put it together, ect. If you want a good 4x4 , 1 motor, 1 controller , flooded batteries you can get by for 3k to 10k if you do it yourself. This will not be a kick ass 4 x 4 as was requested. The military paid a lot more than $50,000 for the first humvee that way, probably over 1 million. Production ones about $150,000 each. Later, jerry dycus Hi , --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: had a interesting thought to promote biodiesel. take a 4 wheel drive diesel pickup. remove tranny and replace with high wattage alternator (perm mag generator?). mount electric motors on all wheels. fill bed of pickup with batteries, fill her up with biodiesel and go drag racing. a biofuelie lead sled! It's been done by the army. They took a Humvee and did exactly that. Most new military vehicles in the future will be this way. They see them as mobile gens too. Cost $50,000 to do it though to a 4 x 4. jerry dycus __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ -- eGroups Sponsor -~-~ eGroups eLerts It's Easy. It's Fun. Best of All, it's Free! http://click.egroups.com/1/9698/0/_/837408/_/977015312/ -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] serious ethanol players
Hi Dick, --- Dick Carlstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: brazil is today the only serious ethanol player in the world. all other ethanol users are amateurs by comparison. Brazils the man!!! Glad to hear the alcohol programs are going well. Plain text please so we can read you posts easier. the factory price for a liter of ae in brazil is $R 0.40, or $R 1.51 a us gallon. this translates to us$ 0.90 a gallon ! (R=real, the local currency) brazil also has developed the world's most efficient technology for transforming wood to methanol, with wood charcoal as a by-product. considering that a typical eucalyptus plantation in brazil yields well over thirty metric tons of growth per year, per hectare (27500 pounds per year per acre), brazil is in a position to launch a methanol/charcoal program to supplement it's standing ae undertaking. the wood used in such a program would all be plantation grown, thus the methanol and charcoal co2 generation would be neutral or even negative when these components are burnt. How about giving us some info on the process used in making methanol from wood? Thanks ,jerry dycus so now the rabbit is out of the hat. after this, all other ethanol efforts will look puny by comparison, methinks. and by the way, making ethanol from corn is half as efficient as making it from sugarcane. enjoy !, dick. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ -- eGroups Sponsor -~-~ Big News - eGroups is becoming Yahoo! Groups Click here for more details: http://click.egroups.com/1/10801/0/_/837408/_/977016018/ -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] Re: half brained idea
Hi Keith and All, If you want a drag racer you need light weight. Start with the lightest vehicle you can . Use a 10 -20 hp biodiesel gen to charge a 196 vdc optima or hawker battery pack . 1 or 2 adc 9 or Ge motors to the rear diff controlled by a DCP1200 or 2. Axe the 4x4 drive because of weight. If you keep it you'll never be fast. Large drive train losses from 4 wh drives don't help either. Choose an early mini- pickup with rear wh drive if you need a truck. Wheel motors, no diff, have problems with control in marginal conditions such as rain , ice, gravel, ect . The wheel without traction will start spinning faster and faster then it catches traction causing bad handling problems. Traction control is mandatory. A better biodiesel demo would be a 100 mpg 4 seat car with a 10 hp biodiesel gen and a kick ass electric drive turning 13 second 1/4 mile times. This will cost 1/2 as much and perform much better. Keith, thanks for the info on methanol toxicity. I knew about the toxic effects of methanol but not that ethanol was the medical treatment. Don't forget that DD and producer gas, fires , things you smoke all produce methanol as does Nutra- Sweet type sweetners who's metabalites are methanol . Pilots are advised not to use them. Hope this helps, jerry dycus --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: May I make a proposal? Let's go back to Steve's original half-brained idea (biodiesel65 is Steve Spence, by the way, in one of his several current email personas). __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ -- eGroups Sponsor -~-~ eGroups eLerts It's Easy. It's Fun. Best of All, it's Free! http://click.egroups.com/1/9698/0/_/837408/_/977231666/ -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] Re: sugarcane
Hi Doug and All, --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, From the posts that I have read I'm given the impression that sugar cane is no longer a major crop in Florida, is this so? I had some relatives who worked for US Sugar in the past, one a foreman in the research plots, so I'm sure they knew how to grow the crop, in Florida anyway. Thanks. Doug, N0LKK The sugar cane industry in fla is a scam. 2 Brazilian probably billionaires by now own most of the acreage and grow much more than the US needs. There are US price supports of twice the world marketprice of $.10 a pound so each year they are paid $.20 a lb for the production from defaulting on their loans. The gov takes possesion then sells it at auction at under $10 a lb back to the same people who take it to Brazil to make ethanol. The price is why most soft drinks, ect use corn frutose instead of sugar and why coke tastes funny now. The sugar cane fields are the major reason for the destruction of the everglades too. The feds and Fla are bailing them out on this too by paying to clean it up. Like ADM who does the same for sugar beets up north. They pay huge political contributions (bribes). A good reason for election finance reform. We need corp. welfare stopped. jerry dycus __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ -- eGroups Sponsor -~-~ eGroups eLerts It's Easy. It's Fun. Best of All, it's Free! http://click.egroups.com/1/9698/0/_/837408/_/977403170/ -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] Re: Just a thought - biogas
produce immense amounts of energy with zero loss to anyone and great gain to everyone in environmental improvements, apart from more diversified energy supply and lower fossil-fuel use. Converting wastes is where the cheap energy is. What we need are good processes to do it. I believe that in 3 years energy costs will 2 to 3 times what they are now so I'm getting ready now. Thanks, jerry dycus I think it had better be, if there's going to be one! Happy holiday to you too. Best wishes Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ -- eGroups Sponsor -~-~ Download Net2Phone's free software to make FREE calls anywhere within the US from your PC now! Get great low rates on international calls! http://click.egroups.com/1/10923/0/_/837408/_/977761863/ -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] Re: new type of engine
Hi All, A Bourke engine devotee got ahold of the prints and some of Bourke's prototypes and built and tested them. They were only able to get about half the power that other engines of the same size did and higher sfc. Also the vibriation was very bad. Until this bad out of balance problem is solved this is going nowhere. It looks like a scam to me now and probably was when Bourke was alive 40+ years ago too. jerry dycus --- Tek Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: first blush? looks interesting. will check it out in detail later. hope it has substance to it. --- In biofuel@egroups.com, manuel cilia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone, I have been looking at a very simple type of internal combustion engine called the bouke engine which will run on biodiesel. Take a look and tell me what you think thanks http://bourke-engine.com/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] new type of engine
Hi John and All, --- John Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is another engine for those interested in Alternatives http://www.proserpine.com/kokua/kokua4.html Now here is an engine that has potential though it looks like is air driven now. If 2 stroke it would need a supercharger but looks simple to make. Does anyone about any eff low speed turbines in the 5- 25 hp range . I was thinking about something like a pelton wheel type setup driven by steam or hot exhauts. Can anyone tell me how the Ormat turbine works? Thanks, jerry dycus __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] WVO mixed with diesel
Hi Art and All, More questions, WVO is animal fat, lard? As it get down to freezing here what will happen at 0c, 15c and 30c? Can you use biodiesel instead of diesel to do this? Can you do this with waste veg oil or is it needed? Thanks, jerry dycus --- Art Wolfskill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello group, Help me understand something here. As part of my messing around, I cut my WVO with diesel to make it filter more easily. Here's what I have noticed. I took a half-liter of the mix, and put it in a clear plastic bottle, and took another half-liter of straight WVO, and put it next to it. By morning, the straight WVO had solidified, but the mixture was still completely liquid (25C). After two weeks, barely 10% of the bottle has solid oil at the bottom, whereas the straight WVO remains completely solid. Does this mean anything? Could I cut the WVO with diesel, and run it in my otherwise-unmodified diesel engine? Maybe wait a week and decant the 90% that stayed liquid? I tried the bottle test with 70% WVO, and it is about 40% solid after a week. I also tried it with 40% WVO and after a week it only has a trace of solids at the bottom. Has anyone done this before? This seems too easy. Cut it 40/60, wait a week, decant, pour it in the tank, and go - saving money all the way! My next test will be the decant and wait trick. I'll let you know in about a week. Comments desired and expected. - Art Wolfskill == This was because reason was in fact out to lunch -- Douglas Adams Big Bang Theory: In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded. Veritas vos Liberabit: The Truth will set you Free __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups Click here for more details http://click.egroups.com/1/11231/0/_/837408/_/980604506/ -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] ethanol as motor fuel
Hi, --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just a thought, if 90% ethanol was mixed with gasoline,and a water trap/filter such as on diesel engines, why would that not work? thanks gaw The water/alcohol and gas will seperate. The trap will overfill with al/ water then just pass the seperated al/ water and gasoline as they come from the intake. jerry dycus __ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups Click here for more details http://click.egroups.com/1/11231/0/_/837408/_/981070236/ -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] Re: Ethanol not a renewable energy source?
Hi David and All, --- David Teal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dragonfly, Keith's comprehensive reply omitted the following authoritative British research report. It supports the claims of positive net energy balances obtained from farmed ethanol and biodiesel. It takes full account of farming inputs such as fertiliser, cultivation, packaging etc. and presents all figures net of the taxes/subsidies which are prone to cloud this issue in some sections of the media. http://www.biodiesel.co.uk/levington_tables.htm David Teal If you want to get the most from almost anything you have to work things as systems. Done right ethanol is just 1 product of the system. A good way would be if I was a farmer is to grow with self produced fertilizers, crop rotation, raised bed and enhancing the natural insectivores and pesticides. By not using synthetic pesticides the the insects are eaten by their natural enemies. This cuts cost and lowers energy use by 50% or more. So now the crop cost less and has a lower energy, cost hurdle to get over. Then you take the grain , fruit, ect and brew it. Using good practices just making and distilling alcohol would use 15- 20 % of the alcohol's energy if it came from there. But in a system it doesn't. Alcohol only needs low grade heat, under 200 F , that can come from many places. Now the leftover mash is even a better human or animal food because the yeast grown in the beer has a much higher food value than straight grain, ect. So now you have alcohol with the feedstock basicly for free. But it doesn't stop there. The stalks leftover have more energy than the grain,ect. These can be turned into methanol or natural gas for use or sale or turned into electricity for use and sale. The ash makes a good fertilizer back for the next crop. A farm run like this will make 3-5 times the profit with little outside input. I believe it's the future of farming. Or brew wastes, either way alcohol is viable as an eff source of energy. The petro industry has many PR co's and research flacks putting out disinformation. Reasonable priced petro fuels will be gone soon so line up another source of energy now to soften the blows, learn to use less energy or start making enough to sell for the big bucks. jerry dycus __ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups Click here for more details http://click.egroups.com/1/11231/0/_/837408/_/981117805/ -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] Re: UFO, WVO etc
--- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone have any better suggestions? How about vegetable bio-oil, animal fat bio-oil, recycled veg or animal fat bio-oil and mixed bio-oil? jerry dycus Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ __ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups Click here for more details http://click.egroups.com/1/11231/0/_/837408/_/981414595/ -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] The FOOLPROOF way to make biodiesel
Hi Keith and All, What happens to the methanol? If it takes 20% methanol to make bio-diesel then we need a good practical method to make it. Can the methanol be recycled? Thanks, jerry dycus --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The FOOLPROOF way to make biodiesel __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups Click here for more details http://click.egroups.com/1/11231/0/_/837408/_/981459806/ -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] Re: Natural gas, hybrid models top 'green car' report
Hi Kieth and All, I agree with Terry on H2 for fuel for the same reasons. Above the ineff of producing the gas the problems of storing enough to go more than 100 miles in a vehicle have not been solved. Even if the storage problem is solved a vehicle that ineff will lose in the future marketplace. For the same energy an EV would go 4 times farther than any H2 powered vehicle, either made by solar or petro's. As for green cars the electric beats them all hands down because it gets twice the energy input to power to the road. The best ICE's only get 7% of it's energy input to the road. EV's get 12 to 18% of their input to the power plant to the road. The only way hybrids could be green is if it's a full EV with a small APU of 5 to 15 kw. Right now this has to be run by gasiline for many reasons like availibity, weight , size, cost ect. I want to run it and use it to charge my house too with biofuel hence my being on this list. The vehicles built by the japanese would be just as good as straight ICE's . A VW Lupo gets 80 mpg, better than the hybrids, run on biodesiel would much more green. Their hybrid is really just a big starter and Detroit is trying to pass this off as green to take the heat of them blowing their Ev programs. Yes I'm building an EV, sometimes hybrid for myself and future to produce them. It only uses a 3kw apu to go long distance, over 70 miles. But I thought this was the Biofuel list, I belong to the EV lists and like to keep things seperate. Someone seems the have put me on the mad cow list but that has hopefully been cleared up(G). jerry dycus --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Heeheehee Where did the gas and petroleum come from? Non-sustainable and polluting. More spin! Terry Well, of course it's spin. Natural gas is cleaner at the tailpipe, but not anywhere else (except in the minds of Big Oil spin doctors). Hybrids are interesting though. A good hybrid running on biodiesel now... The Japanese ones run on petrol, but the PNGV hybrids are all compression ignition. Not yet marketable, but something'll come of it. There are several list members quietly building hybrids and not telling us much about it yet. Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups Click here for more details http://click.egroups.com/1/11231/0/_/837408/_/981720839/ -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] Re: Ford sees dawn of pollution-free hydrogen cars
Hi Andrew and All, --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], biofuels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hohoho How was the hydrogen produced? From petrofuels, that's how! Using 130% of the energy to produce, plus another 30% to compress, Yes, you're right, we've talked about this before, but... that makes it 160% more polluting. Spin! Terry NO, it doesn't. Even if you make the Hydrogen from petroleum fuels (which you don't have to do, you know. This is kinda like Kieth's point from the other day about the Sierra Club's aversion to ethanol because of fertilizer run-off, not an argument against ethanol, but against factory farming) you would make it in a facility with WAY WAY WAY WAY better effciency than any internal combustion running in anybodies car out there. How? jerry dycus -andrew __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups Click here for more details http://click.egroups.com/1/11231/0/_/837408/_/981721117/ -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] Re: Natural gas, hybrid models top 'green car' report
Hi All, --- NBT - E. Beggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. TDM 2. Efficient use after TDM What is TDM? 3. Biodiesel Cogen/APU (cogen when parked, APU when hooked up) An EV apu could be used in many ways. You could make money by selling electricity back to the power co during peak demand. By using the heat for your house eff goes up to 90% plus. That would give EV's over 60% eff. overall vs 7% for ICE's. Thanks, jerry dycus __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups Click here for more details http://click.egroups.com/1/11231/0/_/837408/_/981813949/ -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] Re: EVs
Hi Scott, Cathy and All, --- Scott Cathy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My good People Since we seem a bit worked up about EV's, I might as well through my two cents in. The problem I see about EV's is that they seem to stress an already tired infrastructure. California anyone?? Most EV's are charged at night when there is plenty of capacity. The problem in Cal is with Peak demand and very poor planning, regulations. Many people with EV's, if you want an EV you have to build/ convert your own, genorate their own power or buy power from green sources like solar/ wind farms that they pay what used to be higher rates, now in Cal their green rates are lower than most others. realize that there are regulation issues involved but doesn't it really boil down to, Nobody wants a powerplant or highline tower in their backyard!! You are right abou this one. Wouldn't it be sensible to stretch the infrastructure that is already in place by having small 60-100kw powerplants on farms running off renewable energy. I can just see the flurry of calculations coming now about how many this would take to make a significant difference. This doesn't have to be just farms, here in Fla there is enough urban yard waste to supply 1/4 of our electrical needs. Also in our farms we get 4 crops a year making them even more profitable. Saves power line losses and costs too. The winning answer is 1. One such installation will save my farm from inevitable finnacial ruin and provide power to 10-15 homes. 100 kw powers about 50 homes in the US. A better way for price is to start a co-op and buy bulk rate electric power that the power co can turn off in peak demand times and for those times genorate your own. This can cut your bills in half with little work. More work in Cal, only 1 time in 5 years here in Fla. Also the same deal can work for single homes. Why people in cold areas don't heat their houses with co-genorators back feeding to the grid is amazing to me. Their heating/ electric cost would drop in half and have power in winter blackouts. Biodiesel isn't the fuel source. But it will run my wood processing equipment. I'm working on destructive distillation of wood without air to make methane, methanol and H2. Still have not found plans for a small, 200 or so lbs cap, wood distiller. If I don't find some soon I'll have to design 1 myself. US farms use to use these in the 10's to the late 30's to make methanol to power farm equipment. Could be used to feed a genorator, ect. I have details for 100 ton ones though for making charcoal or coke. We would like to hear about your systems? It would help other farms be saved. jerry dycus Scott Nikolai __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups Click here for more details http://click.egroups.com/1/11231/0/_/837408/_/981898559/ -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] Re: EVs
Hi, --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i've been working on it, simpler than you'd think. How about some details? Thanks, jerry dycus jerry dycus wrote:Can you run you house with your car during blackouts? __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups Click here for more details http://click.egroups.com/1/11231/0/_/837408/_/981898735/ -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] Re: EVs
Hi Keith and All, --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Jerry able to overwelm the Madcow'ers. One can always hope. At least it has something to do with biofuels, unlike EVs? :-) You asked about hybrids that started this thread , which my EV is sometimes. I want to charge it from biofuels and was explaining how to get the most from biofuels by converting them to electricity, the most eff way to put power to the road. I should have put my previous post in better words but the point remains that the arguements put against EV's were so wrong they had to be set straight as others have. If people are going to put something down at least have the facts straight or ask. You wouldn't be to happy if people told untrue things about biodiesel on the list. Most of the things people think about EV's are not true. Few people know there are RX-7 EV's that turn the 1/4 mile in 10 sec and EV dragsters that turn it in 8 seconds. Some EV's have a 250 mile range at highway speeds. As someone about to start production of EV's having misconceptions spread hurts my future earnings and hurts the enviroment too. Total system EV's are the lowest eco impact transportion you can get besides bicycles.. Detroit won't build them so it's up to us little guys to do it. Many people know the truth about EV's and want them but none are availible. It's hard enough to do something like this , it's sad people try to tear it down. Strange, people still moaning about it, though there's been very little about it recently. I still don't understand what inimical force compels you to read messages if you're not interested in the subject. Their mere presence on the list offends you? We was joking, sorry it didn't go over with everyone. I'd think with the need of 20% methanol to make biodiesel they'd be all over how to make methanol cheaply. I asked you for more information about that some time ago but you didn't reply. Do you in fact have any workable info on the DD process for producing methanol? I did reply, I said all that I knew, it was a short list. The article in home power is the only actual process I know of for methanol. The process to make methanol was run DD gas, set up like a moonshine still with wood instead of mash ,while hot thru 20 ft of insullated 5/8 copper tubing with a copper chore girl scrubber pulled straight or copper wire inside the tubing to help cat. the gasses into methanol.. I figured that on a biofuel list someone would know more and help me too. I don't need methanol, the biodiesel people need it, badly from the prices I've seen on the list. I have a book from the 40's that details different gas producers but are all big units mostly for coke and charcoal production mostly for steel production with the gas for heating the steel and retorts. If I ever want to make a lot of syn bio nat gas I'm ready. I am trying to design a DD gasifier for about 200 lbs of wood chips, equal to about 11 gal of petro, to run a gen to charge my house and EV. I haven't settled on one design yet though. Hope this helps, jerry dycus __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups Click here for more details http://click.egroups.com/1/11231/0/_/837408/_/982038318/ -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] EV-VW
Hi Art and All, Many bugs were made into Ev's in the 70's/ 80's and the adapter plates, coulpers are still for sale used cheap if you look for them or you can make your own. Fork lift motors, controllers and golf cart batteries are best bet for a good low tech EV. Don't use aircraft starter/ genorators, use series motors to power it. For parts fork lift shops, internet classifieds by EV clubs and EV parts dealers and advice from the EVDList on Crest. Many people there with more expertise on EV's than anywhere, people who own, drive EV's every day and love them. Honest answers too. They tell it like it is. Because of the bugs bad aero they only do well to 50 mph, but under 50 they are great EV's. Use a Karman Ghia for faster speeds. I use a 73 bug front end on my 3 wheel EV. As this is a biofuel list you can e-mail me off list or join the EVDList for more help. They don't seem to like EV's here. jerry dycus --- Art Wolfskill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm looking at converting my 73 VW bug into an EV. Anyone know of plans or a kit, or at least a good discussion of what it would take. It's a learning-experience project. I would like to find a motor that would mate to the current transaxle, if possible, but am open to other methods. - Art __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups Click here for more details http://click.egroups.com/1/11231/0/_/837408/_/982249163/ -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] Re: EV-VW
Hi Kieth and All, --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: jerry dycus wrote: As this is a biofuel list you can e-mail me off list or join the EVDList for more help. They don't seem to like EV's here. Not true. Many of them don't agree with your claims for EVs, nor with the way you tend to respond when someone doesn't agree with you, From what I've heard on and off list many agree with me. Strange that Terry wasn't treated the same as I was. Sometimes the facts hurt. but you're most welcome to discuss EVs here. If anyone doesn't agree with that, take no notice of them. While many may not agree with my views, at least I have detailed facts which have been proven and peer reviewed and said where to find out more. What did you and Terry have for references? Not very good ones it seems. I was trying to be light about it but it's hard to do when telling someone they are really wrong. You and Terry may know a lot about biodiesel but you should ask when you don't know about something like EV's. You are right I need to learn how to communicate better. I'm a newbie at computers and writing my thoughts for other people. Have you bothered to check and see if I was wrong? If you did what did you find out? I stand by my math and facts. I'm sorry I'm too blunt, but it's to hard to dance around all the time and listees need real life facts not unfounded beliefs to survive in this world. I don't mean this in any other way than to help and educate people for the education many have given me over the years. If it wasn't for the EV list I'd be in the dark ages about EV's too. I'd like to thank you for this list and archive that I've learned a lot from about biofuels and that's something the world needs. Thanks, jerry dycus Best wishes Keith Addison __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups Click here for more details http://click.egroups.com/1/11231/0/_/837408/_/982333558/ -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] OT Gasification list Up?
Hi All, The gasification list was recommended to me so I read their archive since nov and decided to join but the archive stops at feb 6th and have received no posts since I've joined 5 days ago. The major domo says I'm on the list. Are others receiving posts? Anybody know what happening? Thanks, jerry dycus __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups Click here for more details http://click.egroups.com/1/11231/0/_/837408/_/982494966/ -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] Methanol
Hi Bud, Lois and All, --- Bud Lois Pitts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone out there have a good way to make methanol out of wood products? I have a small sawmill and a lot of sawdust and wood chip that should make a good quality methanol, but I'm as dumb as dirt about the process so I would have to be lead by the hand for a while. I also have a complete machine shop so I'm sure that fabricating the equipment needed would be no problem. Please advise The only method I know of is to heat wood chips in a sealed vessel to 1000F and run the off gasses, mostly methane and H2, thru 20 ft of insullated copper tubing with a copper scrubber pulled apart and pulled thru the copper tube for more catalytic surface area then cool thru a radiator or cooled copper tubes. Copper wire or a smaller copper tube should work if you can't get a scrubie. Use wood without a lot of resin like yellow pine because you would get acetone and other chemicals. The liquid will be mostly methanol. Gasses left over can be used to fire the process. This info came from a Home Power article on gasification on their 1st CD. A great reference. If you try it let us know how it works. Biodiesel people need a cheap source of methanol. For the prices methanol is selling for nowdays it could be a business in itself. Hope this helps, jerry dycus It's the PITTS __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups Click here for more details http://click.egroups.com/1/11231/0/_/837408/_/982672777/ -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: [biofuel] corn-sugarcane
Hi Ray and All, Here in Fla they burn bagasse in a low eff steam gen plant. The pollution from this plant is terrible and can choke you 20 miles away. Sugarcane is the biggest destroyer of the Everglades too. We have been trying to get rid of it of 30 years but because there is so much money from gov price subs that they pay off everyone including Gov Jeb! Bush. It doesn't look like he will even run next time because of the policies he has pushed selling Fla to the highess bidder and the presidental election fiasico will make it doubtful he could win. In Fla we passed a consitutional amendment telling the Fla gov to make the polluters pay their fair share of the cleanup but they only pay about 5%. Our gov at work, paying susidies then paying to clean up the mess too. jerry dycus --- Ray Hough [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As of 5 years ago Hawaii was still burning the leaves. Ray. At 12/21/2000 2:24:00 AM, you wrote: can the leaves be fermented or will toxins kill the yeast? stephen lakios wrote: Corn is labor intensive? Sugarcane is easy? If you have any farm,you already have most of the equipment needed to grow corn.An old two row corn harvester can be bought cheaply.Even a four row picker at auctions. Whomever said that sugarcane harvesting is easy, never did it. I did,and it is back breaking work.I also grew and harvested tobacco,and very quickly understood why slaves were used for both crops.Unless you have the $ to machine harvest sugarcane,and have the roller mills to express the liquid, nothing about it is easy.If you have a good crop, you will have about 15 to 20 tons of cane per acre. Cane is very bulky and hard to handle.I doubt the EPA will allow the burning of the leaves, as used to be the norm,increasing your harvesting problems. Most cane is grown in areas of cheap labor.stephen eGroups Sponsor [Click Here!] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ray in Atlanta, GA __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups Click here for more details http://click.egroups.com/1/11231/0/_/837408/_/982673950/ -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] Alt. Methanol Production, CO2 into Syn gas
Hi Keith and All, --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any comments? I would love to. Can't pull it up. URL to long? 2nd line of URL isn't highlighted, maybe that's the reason. I'll bet there is a feedstock in there somewhere. Also energy to run the reaction has to come from somewhere. One way it seems to use CO2 as fuel is add it up to 17% to the airfeed to a producer gasififer. It reacts with moisture, carbon in the fire zone to make CO and H2. A way to juice up the gasses energy content while recycling CO2. I forgot where I read this but it was a well done research project. Thanks,jerry dycus http://www.biochem.arizona.edu/classes/bioc462/462b/462bHonors/462bHon ors2000/jwoo/conversion.html Alternative Method of Methanol Production Novel Methanol Production: Conversion of CO2 to Methanol Using Enzymes Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups Click here for more details http://us.click.yahoo.com/kWP7PD/pYNCAA/4ihDAA/FZTVlB/TM -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Alternative Method of Methanol Production
Hi Andrew and All, Thanks for the summary Andrew. Hopefully it will work in the future. It looks like I was wrong about making methanol from Destructive Distillation of wood and running it thru a copper tube to make methanol at atm pressure. It works but not very much methanol comes out and has a lot of tar residue ,under 5% each acetic acid, acetone, methanol and other chemicals in small amounts. The main way to make methanol now is to use syn gas( H2,CO) and pure O2 at 1500 lbs pressure and a catalyst, copper(old) or zinc(new) based.. Maybe electrolyze water into H2 and O2 for a source of pure O2. If done at pressure ,1500 lbs, maybe you wouldn't need to pressurize the O2 and the heated biomass and moisture would build pressure as they are heated in sealed vessels? This sounds very dangerous. I hope I can find a low pressure way. There are ways to crack the tars (HC,H2O + heat = H2, CO) and steam the hot charcoal (C + H20+ heat= H2 and CO) for fuel but I'd like methane(CH4) if possible. Even better would be to make butane or propane for easier storage. It seems a lot easier to break chemicals down than to build then up. As I find out more I'll let the list know. Thanks,jerry dycus --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I took a look around the site. After reading through the info, the site itself comes to the following conclusions: Obert and Dave have shown that it is possible to encapsulate a synthetic biochemical pathway and have it function to synthesize methanol. They have shown that methanol can be produced enzymatically. This method could one day substitute for natural gas production of methanol. However, methanol production by use of enzymes is not economical or All in all intriguing for future ways to make methanol, but it appears to be years and years away from an economical or even feasible means of mass production. -Andrew --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any comments? http://www.biochem.arizona.edu/classes/bioc462/462b/462bHonors/462bHon ors2000/jwoo/conversion.html Alternative Method of Methanol Production Novel Methanol Production: Conversion of CO2 to Methanol Using Enzymes Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups Click here for more details http://us.click.yahoo.com/kWP7PD/pYNCAA/4ihDAA/FZTVlB/TM -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] [alternatepower] Lead -- Hazardous Material?
on recycling there. Nobody who has sense believes lead and other heavy metal are not dangerous but they can be used without hurting people. Lead in EV's is probably the safest place for lead to be. They do have the lead recycling laws though. Keith, please post this to where it comes from, we need to get the right info out there, Thanks, jerry dycus [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups Click here for more details http://us.click.yahoo.com/kWP7PD/pYNCAA/4ihDAA/FZTVlB/TM -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Alternative Method of Methanol Production
Hi Robert and All, --- robert luis rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: jerry dycus wrote: The main way to make methanol now is to use syn gas( H2,CO) and pure O2 at 1500 lbs pressure and a catalyst, copper(old) or zinc(new) based.. Thanks for the summary! I've been looking for info on this for a long time and have found nothing! Your welcome but it's a bit simplfied. More details as I get them. If I'm wrong I'll report them too. It's as important to no what doesn't work as what does. I wory about putting pure O2,H2 and CO together in an 1500 lb pressure vessel. This sounds like a big bomb to me so if anyone tries this be careful out there. Electrolysis to produce H2, especially under pressure (so that a compressor is unnecessary) is easier. There are some interesting things that can be done with electrolysis at elevated temperatures, using metals like aluminum or iron. (We're talking temps in the 1 000 C range, which is high, but not outrageous. . .) The thermodynamics of the process are quite favorable at those temperatures. In these reactions the alum and iron are fuels that turn into oxides in the process rather than electrolysis I believe. Alum and zinc/ air fuel cells work like this . My goal was the pure O2 and would use the H2 to power the O2 making process. If you need H2 and have scrap alum it's a good way to make it. With new alum you lose because it takes a lot more energy than it gives to make the aluminum. This has frequently led me to the supposition that curious people might investigate steam reforming of charcoal or producer gas. There I have some info on this and is how they made gas for towns and it's called water or blue gas. Looking up the name of the process I found the formula's, reactions and details of producer gas systems from an old engineering manual called Marks handbook, 2300 pages of neat stuff like how All energy sources were made, steam engines, gas producers refridgerating. hydro turbines ect. Look in old book stores to find books like this before written before 1945. One might also consider simply burning the biomass to produce the necessary heat if concentrated solar isn't available. I was thinking, a dangous habit, that if you put a water, carbon mixture fed to a solar concentrator you would get syn gas, H2 and CO. This would store solar energy for when the sun goes down and to make a portable fuel like methanol. Come to think about it feed CO2 and water/ steam for the feedstock to make syn gas. All those old satilite dishes would make great solar concentrators with tracking already set up. If I ever get on the gasification list I'll ask. You could put a solar unit next to a bio/ fossil fuel power plant for a CO2 source. The eff might be quite good and be paid to take the CO2 also. Better stop before my brain explodes ;-) from all this thinking. jerry dycus robert luis rabello __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups Click here for more details http://us.click.yahoo.com/kWP7PD/pYNCAA/4ihDAA/FZTVlB/TM -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Ammonia
Hi Cornelious and All, --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have clients in the poultry industry who are having their birds choked by the ammonia they produce in the broiler houses. The high cost of fuel this winter has reduced the ventilation in the houses out of economic necessity. Since you have All those chickens producing heat use that. Insulate the houses and make large heat exchangers to warm incoming air from corrigated roofing tin, cheap. The problem is the sorry design of the houses, fix that and they would need little propane or biomass. I know that cuts you out of a market but it gives you 2 or 3 new markets , insulating and heat exchangers for the houses and methane digesters. jerry dycus The reduced cost of heat should enable the increased ventilation of the ammonia next winter. How much better though to capture the ammonia and use it as a separate product? Until enough farmers re-adopt traditional fertilizer methods, the market for compost will be small. At the same time the plight of the chemical dependent farmer will be as we see it. I will not be part of cutting him off cold turkey. We educate, encourage and provide incentives to change but we have to eat too. Cornelius A. Van Milligen Kentucky Enrichment Inc. Iowa Protein Inc. organic byproduct processors [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: some pointers for 97 percent figure
Hi All, For those of you interested about pollution of ICE's vs EV's, here's a good source. http://people.qualcomm.com/karn/ev/ev_emissions.html jerry dycus __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] global warming
Hi Ed and All, The CO2 levels have went from about 240ppm to about 360 ppm in 100 years. This is a tiny amount. The effect of this is 1/100 what water vapor is, the true green house gas. Jets putting all that water vapor, nox and soot high in the atmostphere has a lot more effect than CO2. All the scientist say that the temp is the highest in 1000 years and they are right. What they don't bother to say is that 1000 years ago it was a lot warmer than now, ie vikings able to farm Greenland. We are in the most stable temperture period we know of right now. The global avg temps can and have changed 10 F up or down at any time naturally. The temp changes are well within the normal range, get use to it. Be ready for the swing with a well insulated house, wind and/or water gens for heat/ cool and 2 years food supply. jerry dycus --- Ed Service [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I Warren, I guess one could deny almost anything and make a case for it. I would think though, that common reasoning should lead us to the conclusion that all that co2 being released is going to change something! As to whether it's good or bad, a little warming might be a good thing here in Alberta! Though we haven't had it too bad this year! Ed Service __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
