Re: [Gimp-user] important GIMP features for the future ?

[Michael Schumacher]

Michael Schumacher wrote:
> devvv wrote:
> 
>> Some schools are switching to GIMP/2 soon because of me and my 
>> courses ;) I'm posting a list below that imo is very important for an
>> easier and more accessible use of GIMP2! I'm sure you've heard them
>> all already but they're really needed! The bug numbers are in
>> parentheses.
> 
> Do your courses also include a part about GIMP being Open Source
> Software and that one can and should contribute to it if a feature
> should to get in faster?
> 
> As you can see, some of the bugs in your list are quite old, and having
> patches attached to them would help a lot. There might be just one or
> two people at each school who are interested, but their contributions
> are welcome.
> 
> BTW, gimp-developer would have been the better list for this message.

Someone wrote me that the above mail can be misunderstood. No, it is not
intended as "Who do you think you are? If you want something done, do
it yourself", it was just supposed to be a simple question with an
explanation why I'm asking it.



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Re: [Gimp-user] important GIMP features for the future ?

[Michael Schumacher]

devvv wrote:

> Some schools are switching to GIMP/2 soon because of me and my 
> courses ;) I'm posting a list below that imo is very important for an
> easier and more accessible use of GIMP2! I'm sure you've heard them
> all already but they're really needed! The bug numbers are in
> parentheses.

Do your courses also include a part about GIMP being Open Source
Software and that one can and should contribute to it if a feature
should to get in faster?

As you can see, some of the bugs in your list are quite old, and having
patches attached to them would help a lot. There might be just one or
two people at each school who are interested, but their contributions
are welcome.

BTW, gimp-developer would have been the better list for this message.


HTH,
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Re: [Gimp-user] Trouble with Open Image box

[Michael Schumacher]

> Von: "Gracia M. Littauer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> > I get an error when I try to add a  Bookmark to the left window on
> > the Open Image window. It says "Error  Could not make a bookmark   
> > Bookmark saving failed: Could not change file mode: waitpid() failed:
> > No child processes"
> 
> I have the same problem...SuSE 10 Gimp 2.2.7 (with an empty Logo, just 
> the background), when it boots & a half a full logo when I go to 
> help/about.

This description of the "same problem" is rather different, though.


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Re: [Gimp-user] gui

[Michael Schumacher]

Rhys Sage wrote:
> Ok. So Ubuntu is recommended. How about a GUI? I can't
> say I really care for either KDE or Gnome. I did see
> one called Athene that looked pretty nice but I don't
> know what it'd run on.

Could it be that the person who's answering you is sending mails in
private? From the point of view of the list, only the half of the
conversation seems to be getting here.


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Re: [Gimp-user] Re: Time to stick a fork in the GIMP?

[Michael Schumacher]

Olivier Ripoll wrote:

> I was referring to the Michael's sentence about "Bugzilla for threads
> concerning GIMPShop". I am trying to find such threads in Bugzilla, but
> I can't.

The one I had in mind was
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=309707. Theres' more on the
mailing list and the newsgroup comp.graphics.apps.gimp, the threads in
the latter also illustrates some of the more recent and unfortunate
effects of this fork (or, to be more precise, the GIMP/GIMPShop hybrid
Linspire ships)


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Re: [Gimp-user] Time to stick a fork in the GIMP?

[Michael Schumacher]

wayne wrote:

> http://software.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=06/03/07/1813207
> 
> Saw the above article on Newsforge.

Well, it shows that the author doesn't read the OpenUsability forum. Of
course, this makes it a suitable article for NewsForged, but without
proof for the authors claims it is worthless.

I'd highly recommend and appreciate it if anyone who wants to
participate in the discussion that will take place in this thread reads
the relevant sources (OpenUsability forum, GIMP mailing list archives,
news group and Bugzilla for threads concerning GIMPShop) himself and in
whole. Thank you.


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Re: [Gimp-user] Re: Gimp-user Digest, Open Save dialog

[Michael Schumacher]

> Von: Olivier Ripoll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


> I disagree with your interpretation of my messages. :)

> Please keep in mind the reason for my messages: One person asked for 
> points he could discuss/investigate for an article about the UI. I 
> suggested to show the improvements for previous version. Then I was 
> asked what were the points still generating complaints. I listed what 
> are the two most frequent one in my opinion.

> PS: And in case it is not clear after me writing it 4 times now: The 
> Gimp UI has improved since 1.2.x.

Unfortunately you excluded the HIG issue in your reply. As you point out,
this is most likely becoming the source for an article about the GIMP GUI.
Should it then be that easy to get to a totally different interpretation of
your message?

I doubt that someone who doesn't know the HIG and the changes in the GIMP
GUI that were caused by following these guidelines is able to understand
your message correctly.

The one issue you're complaining about is the file chooser - I know why
you're doing this, I did so myself initially (I have changed my opinion in
the meantime). But you made it sound like following HIG is a bad thing in
general - I think it wasn't your intention, but as I wrote before, you
avoided to give a straight answer to this yet.


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Re: [Gimp-user] Re: Gimp-user Digest, Open Save dialog

[Michael Schumacher]

> Von: Olivier Ripoll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> >> From what I can gather of reading the mailing-lists for users,
> >> developers and windows port, while the gimp "own" part of the
> >> interface as much improved in the last years (preview for plugin /
> >> docks / window management / image window top-menu), the compliance
> >> to the HIG has raised a lot of bitterness in the community.
> > 
> > Can you please stop spreading this nonsense? The GNOME Human Interface
> > Guidelines (HIG) have not much, if anything, to do with the way the
> > file chooser dialog looks and feels. Please read the guidelines before
> > you talk about them. Making GIMP more HIG compliant has led to more
> > consistent and more pleasantly looking dialogs and has substantially
> > improved the usability of the application. I have not yet heard any
> > valid complaints about this step.

> Complaints about the dialogue pop up every single month on the 3 mailing 
> lists I have mentioned. You can refuse to read them, but then do not 
> accuse people who read them to mention them when specifically ask to in 
> a thread.

You're claiming that the GIMP UI has improved, but following the HIG wasn't
something that was welcomed in the community. But following the HIG was what
has caused the improvements.

Your claim, as written here, is quite generic, and it seems like you totally
disagree with it. You should be more specific about the things you disagree
with.


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Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp development

[Michael Schumacher]

> Von: Matt Gushee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> > On Wed, Mar 01, 2006 at 06:11:59PM -0500, Paul Bloch wrote:
> 
> >> I'm an occasional Gimp user and prefessional graphic designer.  I was
> >> wondering where and how do I get involved with user-interface
> development.
> 
> Have you seen the GIMP project on OpenUsability.org? That might be a 
> good place to start. The URL is:
> 
>   http://openusability.org/projects/gimp

Make sure that your read the past discussion there - some are good examples
of how not to start a discussion there.

The current thread about the tabbed interface is taking a nice and IMO
correct direction, though.


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Re: [Gimp-user] Gimpshop

[Michael Schumacher]

JC Dill wrote:

> So when someone asks you to tell them how wonderful "this forum" is,
> you can assume they are inviting comparison with all other forums on the
> topic, not just other mailing lists.

Well, this is a mailing list. Anyone who uses it via a different access
vector should be aware of this - mailing lists, like newsgroups, have
more formal requirements to the message style than e.g. a web forum.

For example: proper quoting, character encoding, addressing, ...

But this should be discussed in a new thread if we want to continue with it.


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Re: [Gimp-user] blue + yellow = green

[Michael Schumacher]

> Von: Bram Kuijper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Do I hear "I don't care about Photoshop/Windows Users that want to 
> transfer to GIMP?"... then why was GIMP compiled for windows at all, just 
> for a bunch people that were patient enough to learn it? 

FYI, it was compiled for windows because someone wanted to use his scanner
(which did only come with Windows drivers) with it.

And it is not a good idea to make the developers reconsider why something is
still being maintained for a particular platform :)


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Re: [Gimp-user] photomosaic, photocomposition

[Michael Schumacher]

> Von: "Xavier Sala" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> 
> Does anybody know if it possible (and if it is, how) to create an image
> from a given photo but at the same time the new photo image should be made

> from other pictures (around 100 pictures). 

The first hit when googling for "gimp photomosaic":

http://www.kirchgessner.net/photo-mosaic.html


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Re: [Gimp-user] Gimpshop (was: blue + yellow = green)

[Michael Schumacher]

> Von: Dave Neary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> If it was put in bugzilla, the patch would have been
> refused, or we would have asked him to work on it.

That's how things are handled in Bugzilla, so what is the problem?
 
> So why worry? I'm happy to see this kind of thing happenning around the 
> GIMP.

We are worried because some people don't make a distinction between Gimpshop
and GIMP.


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Re: [Gimp-user] Gimpshop

[Michael Schumacher]

> Von: Robert Citek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> On Feb 28, 2006, at 12:20 AM, Manish Singh wrote:
> > On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 12:01:05AM -0600, Robert Citek wrote:
> >> Would you consider Gimpshop a successful fork?
> >
> > Considering Gimpshop can't even keep their own website online, I'd  
> > say no.
> 
> Then why the fuss?

Because you seem to be discussing it.

> But enough trash talk about Gimpshop.  Tell me how wonderful this  
> forum is. What makes this forum shine?  

Well, I'd be more happy to answer this if you drop "forum" and use "list"
instead. The most shiny thing is that you got a lot of people here who are
experienced with both GIMP and communicating over a mailing list (the latter
is something that's quickly becoming rare).

> Tell me how this forum recruits new users/volunteers to test software,

The development releases and their features get mentioned if someone asks a
question that touches this topic.
 
> file bug reports, 

Bug reports are referenced, and users are encouraged to search bugzilla or
file bugs for things that seem to be strange.

> and write docs and tutorials.  

We reference our docs, and there has the occasional hint to contribute to
them.

> That is, how does this forum grow the gimp.org community and 
> enable it to blossom?

Well, first the list does exist and it is found among the first results when
searching for various terms related to gimp. That's one aspect for
"blossom". I don't see a mailing list as the primary way for growing a
community, though. Maybe there are some papers about this.


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Re: [Gimp-user] Twice before

[Michael Schumacher]

Alf Lacis wrote:

> Twice in the last couple of weeks I've asked about unfading old 
> photographs, and this has not appeared on the gimp user forum.

I don't recall seeing any of them, and there are no messages from your
current identity in my mail folder.

> Is this the wrong place to ask about using gimp?

It is the right place.


Could be that your messages got filtered out because they did get score
too high in filters like spamassasin. For example, your rather long and
non-seperated signature ("-- ") could kick your messages into a user's
trashcan.


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Re: [Gimp-user] Python and Windows XP

[Michael Schumacher]

> Von: Carol Spears <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> On Tue, Feb 21, 2006 at 12:56:24PM -0800, Demetrius Jones wrote:
> > I was wondering if someone could point out how I am supposed to get the
> Gimp 2.3.6 to recognize that I have python installed on the computer so
> that I may be able to use py fu scripts

> the answer to your question is that you need to install the gimp-python
> module.  
> 
> i have no idea how to build this for XP.

It is part of the 2.3 installers. In order to be able to select it, it might
be neccessary to have Python 2.4 and a matching pygtk installed.


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Re: [Gimp-user] Problems compiling GIMP

[Michael Schumacher]

Scott wrote:

>> sounds like outperfoming my iBook 800 will be an easy job for the
>> MacBook Pro :)
> 
> The MacBook Pro will out perform in power save mode!

So it is another device that just switches on the "power save" LED and
continues to consume the same amount of power? :)


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Re: [Gimp-user] gimp 2.3 for win

[Michael Schumacher]

Axel Wernicke wrote:
> 
> Am 11.02.2006 um 15:06 schrieb Roger D Vargas:
> 
>> IOs there some binary package of 2.3 for windows?
> 
> just in case you wanted to know *where* to find the binary packages,
> have a look at http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=121075

BTW, please don't link to the files directly. I prefer to tell people
that it is on the project page at http://gimp-win.sf.net - and let them
figure out by them self from there. The link to the downloads overview
above is ok; if you want to provide a little more overview of the
project (and an url that can be remembered more easily) you could also
link to http://sourceforge.net/projects/gimp-win/

This is a first step to make sure that people know that this is not
intended for everyone - a little effort to get it will sort out those
who just want to use GIMP and not bother with testing a development release.


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Re: [Gimp-user] One stupid thing

[Michael Schumacher]

John R. Culleton wrote:

> Not at all. I was noting that on two different flavors of linux
> it is necessary to download and install material beyond that
> contained in the Gimp download in order to get it to compile. And
> that wasn't true in prior versions. 

Um... you're kidding, right?

GTK+
Glib
libpng
libjpeg
gcc
make
...

are also required and not included.

> Perhaps the missing module should be put in with the Gimp tarball 
> if that is legal and practical.

Sorry, but after your previous statement I have troubles to take you
serious. Maybe you could help to solve my confusion and tell me why you
thinks this could ever be practical?


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Re: [Gimp-user] One stupid thing

[Michael Schumacher]

John R. Culleton wrote:

> Heh. I set up Debian sarge, downloaded Gimp 2.3.8? and tried to
> compile. Now I am back to the missing XML::Parser problem again.

Did you ignore my first mail in this thread?


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Re: [Gimp-user] gimp fonts in windows

[Michael Schumacher]

> Von: "Vytautas P." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> GIMP>File>Preferences>Folders>Font
> Add Windows fonts folder and that should work. Restart GIMP first of  
> course. Or maybye even restart computer. Windows loves that ;)

The fontconfig configuration file usually contains this directory already,
so if the system fonts are not picked up by default on some systems, it
would be worthwile to investigate this a bit further.

P.S. could you reply below the quoted text and only quote the parts you're
replying to?


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Re: [Gimp-user] doing with the gimp what www.scanR.com does

[Michael Schumacher]

> Von: Geoffrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 
> I doubt there's any software that is going to 'magically' align and 
> correct errors in a photographed document.  Really, how does it know 
> what's a shadow verses a border or such?

Alignment is quite easy, though. Seen it on a mobile phone for business
cards. It's all basic image recognition tasks (somewhat simplified, the
process is formalized pretty well):

- extract primtives (e.g. the border of the card, the corners)
- connect them to shapes (some kind of trapezoid, for the business card)
- compare the shape with known shapes (the aren't that many different views)
- if we have a match, apply perspective corrections (trapezoid -> rectangle)
- if an error occured, display the message


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Re: [Gimp-user] Paths dialog

[Michael Schumacher]

> Von: Alex Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 
> OK, but this brings up the larger question - I thought the whole point
> of layers was that every element of the image would live in one layer
> and the image could be manipulated that way.  I guess I saw it as being
> like a train - to be on the train, you had to be in one of the cars.
> You could not be in more than one car at once, and you could not be on
> the train without being in a car.

You can be on a car, for example. Or under it. Both are things that a common
to many action films, at least those involving trains.
You can also change the car while on the train, and only your inability to
clone yourself prevents you from leaving copies in each car.

> Do layers work this way, but only for certain kinds of elements?  And if
> so, what is ruling philosophy that determines whether an element will be
> limited to one layer?

A layer is just a surface you can paint on, vectors are drawn (GIMP
distiguishes between draw and paint). Selections are also not part of a
layer, just the things (color, pattern, ...) you fill them with is.


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Re: [Gimp-user] One stupid thing

[Michael Schumacher]

> Von: "John R. Culleton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Where do I get the specific Parser.pm that Gimp needs and 
> where do I put it where Gimp can find it? 

Directly from CPAN, for example. I haven't done much with Perl in the past
years, but if it hasn't changed, then do

perl -MCPAN -e shell

and follow the instructions to install XML::Parser (or other modules). If
Slackware offers this as a package, then you should prefer that one, of
course.


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[Gimp-user] Refining NEEDINFO bugs - your way to start contributing?

[Michael Schumacher]

Hi,

some of you might already know our bug tracking system at
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/browse.cgi?product=GIMP - maybe because you
have filed a bug yourself, did search for one or were pointed to a
report in a reply to a list post.

But besides being a useful tracker for bugs and features for the GIMP
developers, Bugzilla is also a nice way to start contributing to GIMP -
without any coding experience. As you might still have a few questions
about this, I'm going to answer at least some of them:


What is NEEDINFO?

Bugs are categorized by a couple of their attributes - one of them is
their status, which can be set to "NEEDINFO".
This indicates that a report has been looked at by at least one
developer - but it is either missing some information to understand it
at all, or it needs some more input from the reporter, or is awaiting
feedback because a solution has been suggested. Unless this is provided,
the report won't get much attention.


What's the problem with this bug category?

It has some rather long-lived bugs in it - mostly because the original
reporter seems to have abandoned the report and doesn't care about it
anymore. Usually, the problems described in such bugs are either
isolated to a few systems or somewhat obscure, otherwise they wouldn't
be NEEDINFO for such a long time. So far, the final resolution for most
of them is INCOMPLETE.


How can I help?

Have a look at the following bug list and check if there are some that
you recognize:
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/buglist.cgi?product=GIMP&bug_status=NEEDINFO

The good thing is that most of them contain a comment describing what is
missing or what's needed.


Should I add a comment?

This depends on the comment you're planning to write. Keep in mind that
the bug has been looked at by people who know GIMP fairly well, and they
couldn't figure out what it was about or need more information. Just
adding "Me too!" isn't going to help - be at least prepared to answer
(or at least to try it) any question that might follow such comments.
Try to provide the missing information, or something else that might
give us a clue how to handle the report. For example, exact steps how to
reproduce a bug are really useful. Or do some research about a possible
crash - e.g. if files are involved, try to recreate this on your system
using the original description, etc...


What will I gain from this?

Fewer bugs in future releases of your favorite image manipulation program :)
More features, too, because less (maybe non-existent) bugs means more
time for adding new stuff, as no one has to bother with weird reports.
Reputation. Rather important if you plan to extend your contribution to
coding. This can now be measured in numbers, even - ever noticed the
user's "points" in Bugzilla comments? They indicate a user's
participation using a logarithmic scale by weighting the number of
opened bugs, closed bugs and comments.

And, last but not least, you will make the author of this mail happy.


Regards,
Michael


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Re: [Gimp-user] Run GIMP in batch mode ... HOW ?

[Michael Schumacher]

> Von: KC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Thanks for the info.   Is it possible not to use script-fu ?  Any other
> language binding is supported by GIMP ?

You can write the script or plug-in that does the actual processing in C,
C++, Python or Perl (and maybe any other langage that creates executables
and can use the gimp and gtk+ libs, but I've never tried this).

However, if you're aiming for immediate and easy deployment on as many
platforms as possible, Script-Fu is the way to go. 

For C and C++, you'll have to provide binaries for platforms where compiling
is done less commonly by users themselves. 

Gimp-Python is still not released for the Windows platform (it is available
in 2.3.x releases, but these are not intended for the general public). 

Perl is out of the question for not being built on Windows at all.

> The language used by script-fu is ... looks difficult to me :-(

It is Scheme. You'll need a text editor that helps you to get around with
its list-based syntax (for example, forget things like Notepad), but if you
have this is is far more readable than other languages. Some say than anyone
who speaks english should be able to read it fluently.


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Re: [Gimp-user] Color Picker popup dialog.

[Michael Schumacher]

> Von: Ben Foote <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> I wasn't aware that holding CTRL while using a paint tool selected a
> color. I'm not sure many people could possibly be aware of this
> behavior. Seems a smidge strange, but I'll take it =P

This is documented in http://docs.gimp.org/en/gimp-tools-paint.html. The
color picker itself is documented in
http://docs.gimp.org/en/gimp-tool-color-picker.html, bur a cross reference
would indeed be nice. I've opened bug
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=327501 so that it's not forgotten.


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Re: [Gimp-user] Run GIMP in batch mode ... HOW ?

[Michael Schumacher]

> Von: KC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Can I run GIMP in batch mode ? 

Yes.

> How to do that ?  Any example, tutorial will be appreciated.

You could follow the batch tutorial on www.gimp.org, for example:
http://www.gimp.org/tutorials/Basic_Batch/

BTW, you didn't really search for this, did you?


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Re: [Gimp-user] gradients and text

[Michael Schumacher]

> Von: "Vytautas P." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Easilly. Select only the letters and apply gradient on them. 
> Assuming text is on separate transparent layer, select that 
> layer on Layers tab, and then Layers>Transparency>Alpha to selection.

Even faster: check "keep transparency" for the text layer in the layers
dialog and apply the gradient as usual.


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Re: [Gimp-user] Re: Cutout and paste (Newbie question)

[Michael Schumacher]

> Von: "Gert Blij" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> I was the one who posed the original question and continued the thread. 
> 
> Unfortunately the thread died without a solution. It works fine for the
> rectangular selection tool, but for all the other shapes it doesn't work.

You didn't file a bug report yet, did you?


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Re: [Gimp-user] Resize Tool Question

[Michael Schumacher]

> Von: "Joao S. O. Bueno Calligaris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> On Wednesday 11 January 2006 11:45 pm, net kat wrote:

> > This task is: in Photoshop, I can set Crop Tool dimensions, and
> > when I drag in an image, the marquee will be that aspect ratio.
> > When I finalize the crop, Photoshop will either crop down to those
> > pixel values, or enlarge the selection to the pixel values.

> No, the GIMP does not do that.
> Cropping and scaling up are different operations both in 
> implementation and on the UI.

> Otherwise, it seens a nice feature, and I guess you can ask for it on 
> GIMP's bugzilla (bugzilla.gnome.org , describe the desired feature in 
> detail, mark the bug severity as "enhancement"), if you really mind 
> about it. 

As you seem to have understood how the feature should work, I think it might
be better if you try to describe it in your words - to me it sounds like
seeting a fixed size for crop, something which should be possible in GIMP
2.3 already.


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Re: [Gimp-user] open PSD failure

[Michael Schumacher]

> Von: Marc Lehmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 11:10:35PM +0100, Michael Schumacher
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > In order to be fair: it's the same problem the other way round: loading
> > and saving GIMP's native format in other programs.
> 
> Huh? .xcf (what you probably mean) is certainly openly documented...

Its usage in other programs is discouraged, knowledge of GIMP internals is
required to implement it and there is no documentation besides the source.

http://cvs.gnome.org/viewcvs/gimp/devel-docs/xcf.txt?rev=1.1&view=markup
isn't really deep.


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Re: [Gimp-user] open PSD failure

[Michael Schumacher]

net kat wrote:

> Plug in? I'm almost 100% sure I've used Gimp to both open and write psd
> files before..any suggestions on this problem?

PSD isn't openly documented (IIRC it was until Photoshop 6.0), so from
then on the support provided by the psd load/save plug-in is top some
extent based on reengineering existing files. Of course, there might
even be some features that are just not implemented yet, regardless of
being documented or not.

So it is basically:

- if it works, fine
- if it doesn't, bad luck

You could open a bug report in Bugzilla and attach the file there, but
there are no promises if and when there will be a fix for it.


In order to be fair: it's the same problem the other way round: loading
and saving GIMP's native format in other programs.


HTH,
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Re: [Gimp-user] [OT] Gimp: On the surface

[Michael Schumacher]

Julian Oliver wrote:

> do you see any harm in users being let into the voting process? or, do you 
> think that
> this might result in a Splash that doesn't represent the Gimp the way
> you think it should ("everything being made to look so clean and sharp"). 

Yep, that's what I fear might happen. The approach we took in the last
contest - have a small group of people decide about the final splash
amongst their favorites - is the best one, IMO

> surely that would make the contest even more fun ;) 
> 
> .. you'd probably get a alot more entries too.

During the last contest, the amount of entries was overwhelming - and a
considerable number of really bad ones was included, too (e.g. just
slapping a photo into the splash template).

This was the reason why we decided to raise the bar this time and have
the contributors provide a tutorial with the image. The author of the
winning one did so as well:

http://www.hydrophilus.com/gimp+splash+2.2.10+dialed-in+tutorial.html

There's a bit more to it than what's revealed on the first look.


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Re: [Gimp-user] RE: Gimp-user Digest, Vol 40, Issue 4

[Michael Schumacher]

> Von: Owen Cook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> On Thu, 5 Jan 2006, Gert Blij wrote:
> 
> > Thanks Andrew,
> > 
> > I got that working for a rectangular copy and paste, but when I use the
> > elipse select, the free select or the intelligent scissors, it cuts as
> > per the created outline, but when I paste (into OpenOffice Writer) 
> > it pastes it as rectangular picture.
> > 
> > Is there any way that I can paste it as per the original cut?
> 
> 
> probably not. The selection has bounds equal to its absolute width and
> height. This is what is copied accross

It should copy the pixels outside the selection as transparent, though. IIRC
this did work at some, could be that it is broken in current versions of
GTK+...


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Re: [Gimp-user] "Add Glow" and "Center Layer"

[michael chang]

On 12/10/05, BandiPat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Saturday 10 December 2005 20:12, michael chang wrote:
> > Trying to answer Pat's cry for a summary...
> [...]
> > --
> > ~Mike
> >  - Just the crazy copy cat.
> 
>
> Thanks Mike for the reprint.  Also, no need to send out two mails.  I'm
> on this list, so read the list mail.  One mail to the list will
> suffice.

Okay.
I realized, the original would have been in the archives too somewhere, eh?

> Sounds like the OP is confused at what they need to get things compiled.
> I'm sure all the chatter about how to solve it and the debate on
> distros has cleared things up considerably too.  (not)  ;o)

I guess the problem is that very few people have had success with SuSE
on this list in regards to gimp-perl (or aren't speaking up).  As
such, those talking are recommending what they know works. *shrugs*

> I'm guessing if SuSE thought it was needed, it would be installed as a
> dependency or be available to install for compiling.  They are pretty
> efficient like that.

Efficiency can be troublesome.  Whether a dependancy is neccessary is
different from whether a dependency is useful -- often a package
doesn't _need_ something per se, but either A) having it adds
functionality that is often used, or B) having it is nice if you've
got room.  (I forget how RPM depends work, but I know Debian Packages
have 3 levels of dependencies... that makes everything more complex
because programs and users have to know which levels of depends to
automatically fill and which levels not to filil, but the user can
usually manually specify what s/he wants in the program...)

I think the critism is that users are following their intuition and
SuSE is not the exact same as what they expect.  (I fall guilty to
this too.)

> To Manish Singh:
> SuSE and YaST2 work as well or better than any other file install
> utility at solving dependencies.  Thing you fail to realize is that

As above, there are multiple levels of dependencies... some think more
is better.

> -devel files are not dependencies.  The main files don't need the

No they aren't, and Debian, Fedora (I hope) and the like also
recognize that.  The issue is that -devel files may need other -devel
files to work.  For example, there is no point in having a patch for
xyz for the linux kernel and trying to use it without having the linux
kernel source, or at least the headers.  [Whether I get the last two
via kernel.org or a package from my distro is another issue - the key
is that the thing gets found by whatever needs it...]

> -devel files to operate, nor does the system.  They are only needed if
> the user intends to compile things.  The best thing to do when
> installing any Linux is to just include -devel files or add them at
> install time.

The essential question is if it is _NECESSARY_ to compile gimp-perl
for the user's system.  No one using SuSE has answered this.

Do you currently have a SuSE 9.2 Pro system accesssable to you?  It
would be nice if you could get gimp-perl 2.0 working with GIMP on it
(preferably via binary packages, although any method is fine) and
inform the original poster (CCed in this post -- BTW, Myke, are you on
the list?) of how it is done.  It would even be informative to just
tell us that this is only available in SuSE 10 or newer or similar.

Again, if it is not possible to get it running, I hope downgrading to
GIMP 1.2 is an option.

My only other thought is - could SuSE have gone and bundled gimp-perl
with the system and then removed the scripts for "Add Glow" and
"Center Layer"?  If so, then those two script would have to be
manually retrieved and placed in the correct location by the user...
(I would hope this is just me being paranoid and very UNTRUE.)

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Re: [Gimp-user] Script-fu, watermark

[michael chang]

On 12/9/05, Pavel Sorokin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I`m totally new to Gimp and Script-fu but I have to do this one thing
> using Script-fu.
>
> I need a script (and a batch?) which will read .jpg file names from a file
> list and mark all of these files with greyscale watermark (aka logo),
> which will be place at exact location of those pictures (for example,
> lower right corner). Watermark must be read from a .gif file.
>
> As I understand, this is not a very short script and a few pointers can`t
> help me (as I already said - I`m new to all this), but maybe you will
> direct me to some useful (in my case) resources. I`ve been reading
> tutorials, going through lots of examples, but can`t get enough
> information to do what I need to do.

Basically, what you need to do is to use a loop to run through the
images, open them, apply the watermark, save, and close them.

Applying the watermark probably would be easiest by copying the
watermark from one image into a new semitransparent layer onto the
destination image, positioned as necessary.

If all the images have similar names, (even if that similarity is just
that the end in .jpg) then a good way to automate getting the list of
files would be to use GLOB.

A useful resource might be the Procedure Browser in GIMP (Xtns menu on
main window in 2.2.x) - which lists commands and shows their
arguments.  (It lets you search through the functions.)  The only
other things you'd probably need are the knowledge that although the
Prodcedure Browser lists function names with underscores, Script-Fu
seperates words with dashes (e.g. (gimp_file_load ...) becomes
(gimp-file-load ...)) and that all parameters are returned inside
lists regardless of number (so you have to use car and cdr and the
like to get at the contents).

I wish you good luck, as the insane bracket-counting I witnessed with
Script-Fu was maddening when trying to debug anything.  [GIMP's
Script-Fu doesn't report errors very well, so you have to mostly
figure out the problem by reading the code and spotting mistakes with
no assistance.]  Have fun!

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Re: [Gimp-user] "Add Glow" and "Center Layer"

[michael chang]

Trying to answer Pat's cry for a summary...

On 12/5/05, Myke C. Subs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello All,
>
> I've just joined this list.  This is my first post to it.
>
> I have been a happy GIMPer since 2000 until this year.
>
> After Red Hat ditched me 2 years ago, I switched to Mandrake 8.2 and
> didn't like it.  So this year I switched to SuSE 9.2 Pro and I like it a
> *lot* - except for the fact that the GIMP "upgrade" which comes with my
> distribution no longer includes my two long-time, most-used features:
> "Filters->Render->Add Glow" and "Layers->Center Layer".
>
> Where have these gone and how do I get them back?  Especially "Add
> Glow"... I *require* that one!

Let's see if it's possible to sum up this thread to-date...

These two features require a component with gimp known as "gimp-perl",
which is the perl extension to the GIMP.  This allows one to use
plugins which are written in perl, of which these are two.

It seems that SUSE 9.2 does not appear to have a binary package for
the latest version of gimp-perl (or at least a version compatable with
the version of gimp you are using).  Futhermore, the version of GIMP
and GIMP development packages bundled with SUSE 9.2 does not appear to
support building this plugin, probably due to an incompatability or
other modification made somewhere that breaks gimp-perl's build
system.

At this point, you have a couple of options:

1. Reverse the change that caused the problem.

If upgrading to a 2.x revision of GIMP caused the problem, downgrading
to the previous version you had where this problem wasn't exhibited
will solve the problem.  This assumes your distribution allows
downgrading.

2. Build GIMP, GIMP-perl and their dependencies from souce

The development packages in your distribution seem somewhat unique,
and gimp-perl's build system doesn't recognize them.  The lack of a
_binary_ package for what you are looking for indicates that the only
way to get the functionality may to be build it and its dependencies
from source. It may be suitable, then, to build GIMP related binaries
and libraries from source, such as GTK+, Pango, GIMP, gimp-perl, and
the like.

3. Switch to a different distribution.

Various other distributions are known not to have this problem. 
Reported examples include Debian and Ubuntu, and others may be an
option as well.  Investigate your alternative thoroughly before
exploring this option as it may be time consuming.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Transparent image problem

[michael chang]

On 12/9/05, Wade Smart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 12092005 2021 GMT-5
>
> I have this image that Im laying atop another image. They are both gifs.
> Im using the eraser tool to erase at 47% the image to make it
> transparent but, above 50% its 100% and below 50% its 0% transparent.

I suggest you convert both to RGB format, then paste one atop another,
then erase at 47% transparency (probably saving as GIMP's internal XCF
format if you must stop at any point before you're done).  Then
flatten and export as GIF.

GIF only supports things being transparent or not transparent, so
there is techincally no such thing as 47% transparent in GIF.

You might also want to note the opacity slider in the layers
dialogue... maybe that is of some use?

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Re: [Gimp-user] "Add Glow" and "Center Layer"

[Michael Schumacher]

Carol Spears wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 08, 2005 at 08:13:57AM -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
>> * Carol Spears <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [12-08-05 02:56]:
>>> however, you are also not the person with the problem here
>> But I too have the problem with gimp-perl and SUSE, and am *very* interested.
>>
> so, are we safe to assume that the problem is with SUSE?

Did anyone try the obvious yet and build a different plug-in - maybe one
that only needs gimptool, and one of those that comes with a configure
script of its own? Would make sense to check whether this is a bug in
the gimp-perl build system or the gimp packaging of the platform before
reporting bugs.


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Re: [Gimp-user] "Add Glow" and "Center Layer"

[michael chang]

On 12/7/05, Myke C. Subs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/opt/gnome/bin> ls -l gimptool*
> lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root   12 2005-12-05 11:52 gimptool -> gimptool-2.0
> -rwxr-xr-x  1 root root10660 2005-11-10 02:00 gimptool-2.0
> lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root   12 2005-12-05 11:52 gimptool-2.2 ->
> gimptool-2.0
>
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/Downloads/TGZ/Gimp-2.0> perl Makefile.PL
> checking for gimp-2.0... no
> checking for gcc... cc
[snip]
> checking whether we are using the GNU C compiler... yes
[snip]
> checking for gimptool-2.0... /opt/gnome/bin/gimptool-2.0
> checking for GIMP - version >= 2.0.0... no
> *** Could not run GIMP test program, checking why...
> *** The test program failed to compile or link. See the file config.log
> for the

What is the output of "tail config.log"?

> *** exact error that occured. This usually means GIMP was incorrectly
> installed
> *** or that you have moved GIMP since it was installed. In the latter
> case, you
> *** may want to edit the gimptool-2.0 script: /opt/gnome/bin/gimptool-2.0
> configure: error: ** unable to find gimp, make sure it's in your path
> (version 1.3.15+ required!)
> 
>
> I am most concerned at this point about this line in particular from the
> above:
>
> checking for GIMP - version >= 2.0.0... no
>
> ...because that's not true.
>
> Perhaps I should uninstall and then reinstall my GIMP 2.2.9 RPM?

I don't think it has to do with your RPM.  The checks for GIMP that
the source makes assume certain conditions which usually are created
when gimp is built from source.

I'm conserned about this line:
 *** The test program failed to compile or link. See the file config.log

What compiler are you using?  Do you have the development headers for
the libraries used to make gimp?  (Installing gimp-devel should have
brought them in, but...)

> for the

> Or what about rpm --updatedb?

Naw, I don't think the source would check your package manager if GIMP
was installed.

Hum... what if you look for a package called "gimpperl" in YaST? If
it's not there, maybe google for a SuSe RPM for "gimp-perl" (make sure
it matches your OS exactly, since IIRC RPMs can be lethal if they
don't match your distro name and version perfectly).

IIRC, In Ubuntu and Linux, there is a concept of multiple repositries
(e.g. multiple software CDs and/or multiple repositries on the
internet) - maybe YaST needs a similar thing added if gimp-perl is not
already in your OS?

The only problem is, all references to gimp-perl for SuSE 9.2 that I
can find refer to gimp-perl 1.2; Ubuntu is providing something that
looks like a gimp-perl 2.0 so i'm naturally puzzled... *sigh*

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Re: [Gimp-user] "Add Glow" and "Center Layer"

[michael chang]

On 12/6/05, Patrick Shanahan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> * Myke C. Subs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [12-06-05 16:40]:
> > Carol Spears wrote:
> > >
> > >it is easy to build gimp-perl.  get the tarball and open it.
> > >
> > >type "perl Makefile.PL"
> > >soon after type "make"
> > >when that is completed, as root type "make install"
> ...
> > As root:
> > -
> > linux:/home/mykec/Downloads/TGZ/Gimp-2.0 # perl Makefile.PL
>
> no, run the 'perl Makefile.PL' as {user} and run 'make' as {user}.
>
> then run as root, checkinstall
>
> checkinstall will run/convert "make install" into an rpm and update
> the rpm database for you.

Since he's already run "perl Makefile.PL" as root, he's probably
messed the permissions here and there - in that case it'd be easiest
to delete/clean and re-unpack it as a normal user to be able to do
this, IIRC.

In any case, my understanding is to do the following:
(prefixed with $: run as normal user, prefixed with #: run as root)
$ tar -xvzf 
$ cd 
$ perl Makefile.PL
$ make
# make install

Now, an alternative to the last line is "$ su make install" as a
regular user (you will be prompted for root's password and returned to
a regular user upon command's completion, requires "su" to be
installed) or "$ sudo make install" as a regular user (you will be
prompted for your password and returned to a regular user upon
command's completion, requires "sudo" to be installed and for you to
be configured in /etc/sudoers (by editing with "visudo" as root) to be
allowed to run the program as root). If you get the latter method
(sudo) working, my understanding is that it is preferred to use that.

If you have the "checkinstall" program, you can replace "make install"
in any of the above commands with

"checkinstall make install"

which can make a package for you and automatically install it.  That
said, you may need to know about the metadata in the so-called
"regular" package that would be in your system if anything needs to
depend on it so to avoid having two packages for the same stuff. (That
said, it's probably not as bad as having a local source install and a
package at the same time.)

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Re: [Gimp-user] "Add Glow" and "Center Layer"

[michael chang]

On 12/6/05, Myke C. Subs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Carol Spears wrote:
> > it is easy to build gimp-perl.  get the tarball and open it.

> I downloaded the tarball yesterday, opened it and attempted to install
> it.  I am not green with regard to installing from source.  I just don't
> prefer to do that with an RPM-based package like SuSE if it's not required.

> checking for gimptool-2.0... no
> checking for GIMP - version >= 2.0.0... no
> *** The gimptool-2.0 script installed by GIMP could not be found
> *** If GIMP was installed in PREFIX, make sure PREFIX/bin is in
> *** your path, or set the GIMPTOOL environment variable to the
> *** full path to gimptool-2.0.
> configure: error: ** unable to find gimp, make sure it's in your path
> (version 1.3.15+ required!)
>
> 
>
> Can't find gimp?  It's in it's default SuSE RPM location.
> Make sure it's in my path?  Yep.  It's in my path.
>
> ??

This requires your gimp development packages... probably gimp-dev or
libgimp-dev or whatever...

Debian (normal repositry, stable, testing, unstable) and Ubuntu
(universe repositry which must be uncommented in
/etc/apt/sources.list, warty, hoary, breezy, dapper) both have such
packages, called "libgimp-perl".  Check if there is a similarly named
package for your distro.  If not... well, *shrugs*.

Mind, if it's this much trouble, it may be more convienent to switch
to a distribution that has GIMP-Perl packages readily available, or
"borrow" their packaging system*.

Basically, the idea is that binary gimp packages (it's useful it
you're trying to save space - IIRC there seems to have been a recent
movement to split packages into as many depending-on-each-other
subpackages as possible) are trimmed to avoid headers - those are
sepearate.  As for compiling modules and the like, the package (in
both those distros) is called "libgimp2.0-dev".  I imagine you have a
should similiar package, with either that name or "libgimp2.0-devel",
I suppose.  (Haven't checked.)  If not, you can also get all the
development packages for all the libraries and build gimp itself from
source.

If you have a nice package management system in your distro, you might
be able to search through the list of packages as such and install
them.  Try terms like "gimp-perl" or even just "gimp" (you may need to
repeat the search multiple times.

* This has many implications, and I haven't tried it myself. 
Apparently it's been known that this "solution" can have dependency
issues because packages are spread over multiple packaging systems.

My apologies if my comments are unhelpful.  Hopefully you will resolve
your problem quickly.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp

[Michael Schumacher]

> Von: "thegame2119 andrade" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> The reason I like it is because I like to make graphics and stuff 
> out of pictures I get on the web and some of these pictures have 
> stamps or something on them  depicting the logo of the website 
> I got the picture off [...]

The best way is to ask them to provide you with unmodified images. You did
already ask them for the permission to use them, didn't you?


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Re: [Gimp-user] help files gimp

[Michael Schumacher]

> Von: "carl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> can anyone help me to install latest help files

You'll have to tell us more about your system before someone can give more
advice than getting them from the same place where you got GIMP.


P.S: In the past, the most frequent problem was that people didn't read
what's written on the gimp.org pages.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Re: Golden Letters #2

[Michael Schumacher]

Olivier Ripoll wrote:
> Michael Schumacher wrote:

>> Shouldn't be needed with a recent GTK+ (thus recent version of GIMP
>> don't include this plug-in). But see yourself, this already shows that
>> we don't know what went wrong.
> 
> I have GTK 2.8.6 installed, and copy/paste from gimp to word still
> requires the "copy to clipboard" function.

Yep, at least for Word 2003... strange, used to work in Word 2000, and
works fine in the current versions of Excel and Powerpoint. Maybe a bug
in the Office Clipboard?


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[Gimp-user] Distorted Text

[Michael B Allen]

Is there any way to make the text tool in Gimp display the text as it will 
appear in an image. Currently I'm finding that text is distorted but in the 
output image it looks ok. Is this normal?

Example: http://www.ioplex.com/~miallen/gimp/

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Re: [Gimp-user] Golden Letters #2

[michael chang]

On 11/29/05, Michael Henke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I managed to create the Golden Letters thanks to Olivier Ripoll, but now
> I've got a 2nd question, how can I use this image in Microsoft Frontpage? I
> tried to copy and Paste, but that didn't work out very well.

Maybe you want to "save as" the image as a gif, png, or jpeg
(depending on your needs) somewhere (maybe flatten first, if there is
more than one layer) and then load the image in Microsoft Frontpage as
a picture.  Don't know about specifics.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Layers and paths dialog...

[Michael Schumacher]

Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:

> There is no Layers and Paths dialog. There is a Layers dialog and a
> Paths dialog. You can find the Paths dialog in both Toolbox's Dialogs
> menu and Image's Dialogs menu.

File->Dialogs->Create New Dock->Layers, Channels & Paths


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Re: [Gimp-user] Re: Golden Letters #2

[Michael Schumacher]

Olivier Ripoll wrote:

> I think he means that Copy/Paste does not work for him between Gimp and
> Frontpage.

Oh, who would have guessed

> I do not have frontpage, but I tried with Word.
> To copy/paste successfully from Gimp to word, try to use "Edit->Copy to
> clipboard" instead of "Edit->Copy".

Shouldn't be needed with a recent GTK+ (thus recent version of GIMP
don't include this plug-in). But see yourself, this already shows that
we don't know what went wrong.


HTH,
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[Gimp-user] Re: drawing arrows with GFXMuse Tools

[Michael J. Hammel]

On Tue, 2005-11-29 at 08:22 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:
> 3. output of make
> ===
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] gfxmuse-0.4]# make
> making all in ./debug-d...
> make[1]: Entering directory
> `/home/sunita/softwares_pdf/gfxmuse-0.4/debug-d' rm -f debug.o
> gcc -c -O2 -march=i386 -mcpu=i686 -pipe-I. -I../hdrs-d -Ihdrs-d 
> -I/usr/X11R6/include-Dlinux -D__i386__ -D_POSIX_C_SOURCE=199309L
> -D_POSIX_SOURCE -D_XOPEN_SOURCE -D_BSD_SOURCE -D_SVID_SOURCE
> -DFUNCPROTO=15 -DNARROWPROTO   -g -Wall -DDEBUG  -DGIMP12   -c debug.c cp 
> libgmdbg.a  ../lib-d
> cp: cannot stat `libgmdbg.a': No such file or directory
> make[1]: *** [install] Error 1
> make[1]: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs
> make[1]: Leaving directory
> `/home/sunita/softwares_pdf/gfxmuse-0.4/debug-d' make: *** [all] Error 2
> 

First off, this is a *really* old version of the tools - see the web
site:
http://www.ximba.org/gfxmuse/download.html

If you're using GIMP 1.2 then you need the old version 2.0.  If you're
using GIMP 2.2 or later you need the beta version (which should work
just fine) - 3.0.0B2.

I'm not sure what the problem is, but grab the new versions and try
again. If it dstill doesn't work then email me and I'll see if I can
help you get it compiled.  

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Re: [Gimp-user] Golden Letters #2

[Michael Schumacher]

> Von: Michael Henke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> I managed to create the Golden Letters thanks to Olivier Ripoll, but now
> I've got a 2nd question, how can I use this image in Microsoft Frontpage?
I
> tried to copy and Paste, but that didn't work out very well.

You could start by telling us what exactly didn't work out very well. 


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[Gimp-user] Golden Letters #2

[Michael Henke]

Hi all,
 
I managed to create the Golden Letters thanks to 
Olivier Ripoll, but now I've got a 2nd question, how can I use this image in 
Microsoft Frontpage? I tried to copy and Paste, but that didn't work out very 
well.
 
Thanks in advance,
 
Michael Henke
 
 
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[Gimp-user] Creating Golden Letters

[Michael Henke]

Hi all,
 
I've been trying to create some nice golden (or 
another colour) letters using this tutorial: 
 
http://www.gimp.org/tutorials/Golden_Text/
 
In this tutorial Simon Budig get's as a result, a 
text with no golden background, my problem is, I DO have a background, and I 
only need the text.
 
Thanks in advance!
 
Greets,
 
Michael Henke
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Re: [Gimp-user] run script located in an arbitrary directory

[michael chang]

On 11/21/05, Robert Kleemann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is it possible to have gimp run a script that located in an arbitrary
> directory?  It seems that gimp wants to run scripts from
> ~/.gimp-n.n/[plug-ins|scripts]/

> 2) It only works for scripting languages where white space is not
> significant.  This means you can't use this with python-fu (my preferred
> scripting language)
>
> Am I missing something?  Is there an obvious way to do this?

While Perl-fu is not ... at it's peak at the moment, from my memory,
perl scripts with the GIMP module can be loaded just like any
executable script; for example, if I have a script that uses GIMP
called myfile.pl and I go to that directory and call ./myfile.pl, it
will run.  [In fact, this is the only way I've figured out how to run
them -- I still haven't figured out how to register a Perl-Fu script
in the menus.  Heh.]  I don't know about Python, but I can imagine it
could be possible - although would you need to open the images from
Python itself to do so?

> If there is no way to do this, would it make a good feature request?

*IF* there is no way to do this, I myself don't see anything wrong
with the idea... the only thing is I don't know when/if it'd be
completed.

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Re: [Gimp-user] file types

[michael chang]

On 11/20/05, Cliff Hanley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Since I installed Gimp, all my image files on desktop are IDed as Gimp files
> instead of JPG, BMP,TIFF etc. It would be useful to see these IDs before
> clicking on the files. Is there an option for restoring them?

Install the program that created these identifications, or restore
your mime-types from a backup.  (You do have a backup, don't you? ;)

Maybe also installing another program might overwrite GIMPs type
settings with it's own, which are then used thereafter -- if the
program restores the JPG/BMP/TIFF/etc types, then you should be fine.

It depends on the type of desktop - IIRC, different ones (GNOME, XFCE,
MS Windows) use different ways of identifying file types and showing
them to you.

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Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP single instance

[Michael Schumacher]

Remus Boara wrote:

> How can I have only a single GIMP instance?

Use gimp-remote

HTH,
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Re: [Gimp-user] brush size

[michael chang]

On 11/16/05, Joao S. O. Bueno Calligaris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wednesday 16 November 2005 11:55 am, Sven Neumann wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > "Joao S. O. Bueno Calligaris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > Unfortunattely, that only works for ".vbr"s - which stand for
> > > "virtual brushes" - simple, algorithmic, brushes - which have a
> > > basic shape (diamond, square, ellipse, all with N points).
> > >
> > > This is a missing feature for standard bitmap brushes. The code
> > > is even there, but currently it is used only with pressure
> > > sensitive input devices, and it lacks a UI for using with
> > > ordinary mice.
> >
> > It doesn't make too much sense to scale bitmap brushes, does it?
> >
> IMHO it does. Why not?

IMHO, If it was the same as a truetype font and the bitmap brush was
300x300 pixels, maybe; because we'd always scale down and there'd be
no attempt to up-scale and try and make a better brush from a brush
with less data.  [Loss of quality is another issue, meaning that you
can only have so much data there...]  If you have a 8x8 brush and want
to draw something that is 80x80, that is a completely different
matter.

Of course, scaling would make so much sense with SVG/Vector brushes --
but then, GIMP is a raster graphics program.  No-win situation. 
*sigh*

If the code is there, and it is possible to get at it using another
device; it doesn't seem to me for it to be unreasonable to provide
mice-based and/or keyboard-based ways of providing the same
funcationality... but that said, it has to be done within limits or
users will simply get confused and/or complain about weird things.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Transparent Logos...

[michael chang]

On 11/8/05, Jeff Avveduti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Tue, 2005-11-08 at 22:18 -0500, Jeffrey Brent McBeth wrote:
>  On Tue, Nov 08, 2005 at 08:52:24PM -0600, Jeff Avveduti wrote:
> > I have tried searching for this but I am not finding quite the answer I
> > hunger for.
> > It is best to show you...
> > www.avveduti.com/ebay/logo.jpg
> >
> > There is what I am wanting. To make a nice transparent logo in gimp.
> > That was created in PS 7.
> > A nice bevel edge with ability to change the light direction and the
> > amount of bevel..
> > I made the text go to 0 opaque and voula.. there it is.
>
> Place your texture down (like the wavy red)
> Create a text layer (white for starters), and add your text
> Make sure the texture layer is selected, then go
>
> Filters -> Map -> Bump Map
>
> Play with all the fun knobs that do everything you asked for above.
>
> Click okay when you are done, then make the text layer invisible (click the
> eye)
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
>  Ok, I must be doing something wrong. I opened a picture, add text [Avveduti 
> Photography], Filters -> Map -> Bump Map, no matter I change, the text does 
> not change.
>  I move the window around to show the different letters of the text but 
> nothing. I slide everything to the far right... nothing. I hit ok and hide 
> the layer... nothing.
>  What am I doing wrong?
>

I don't think the text is supposed to change, the background is.  Then
you should be able to "hide" the text somehow, by clicking the eye for
the text layer in the layers box.  Maybe you need to flatten it first?

Or maybe you should select the text layer, and not the
background/pattern layer, or vice versa.  *shrugs*

IIRC, there are also special fonts that fake this effect, if that is
also your desire... although there should be a method like this with
bump map that works.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Using FRAMES... How?

[michael chang]

On 11/7/05, Ernesto Orozco Coulson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Excuse me, but no flash plugin is needed, in that kind
> of applications, you export three elements: Images,
> JavaScript, and a HTML Table. You do not need a Flash
> Plugin to have it in your browser.

True, but I believe Macromedia products export a flash swf file for
this, regardless of whether it is necessary to achieve the effect.

> Images are discouraged by W3.org?
> Dont think so. (just is needed to use the ALT tab)

I believe it was rollover javascript... plus it violates some
"niceness" design standards.  Ironically, after searching the site, I
can't find the document I had looked at earlier, and I probably must
have misinterpreted something anyways.  In any case, it doesn't
matter, it's not a big deal.  (Besides, rollover Javascript is so
common now, I suppose.)

> I understand GIMP is not for this now, but why not?,
> would be very useful. I will see if I can contribute
> in the future about.

If you contribute something of this sort, I'm quite sure others who
run into your problem in the future will be very greatful.  I was just
trying to explain why it wasn't already there, and why it might be a
while before someone else writes such a tool (at least for doing it
from within GIMP).

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Re: [Gimp-user] Using FRAMES... How?

[michael chang]

On 11/6/05, Ernesto Orozco Coulson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks for your response. I get to understand that I
> wil need to use JavaScript.
>
> In my opinion this should be easier in GIMP in the
> future.

GIMP isn't designed for this purpose, and plenty of code is already
available for this purpose.  Why reinvent the wheel?

Frankly, If memory serves me right, very little code in GIMP is
related to web development, regardless of whether or not GIMP is used
in it.

If someone is willing to contribute the code, then certainly I see no
reason why it will not be looked at.  However, there are bigger, and
in some people's opinions, more important, things that are
prerequisites before such things will be considered.  Existing coders
are overwhelmed with SIOD, maintenance, GEGL, and simply planning
16-bit-per-channel support, among other things, many major features
could be years away as it stands.

If you feel this is important, you are free to purchase Macromedia
Fireworks and use that instead.

You can also downgrade to GIMP 1.x and use existing plugins (as they
are not forward compatible and many may or may not be helpful for your
purpose) and scripts (there are many which use commands which are
deprecated in newer versions).

That said, you are entitled to your opinion, and if someone looks at
it and decides to include such a thing, I don't believe there is
anything wrong with that.

It may also be worth looking at W3C (World Wide Web Consortium,
w3.org) standards, as, if I remember correctly, they discourage such
things in modern web content.  [It's not very cross platform or
accessability-friendly, for example -- especially if it's done in a
flash plug-in, as Macromedia Fireworks does it.]

Of course, it all depends on your target audience.

> --- michael chang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > On 11/4/05, Ernesto Orozco Coulson
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > I have been looking for but I could not find the
> > way
> > > to work with FRAMES (like Macromedia Fireworks).
> > >
> > > Where is the "frames" window?
> > >
> > > Could anyone please give me explanation about?
> > >
> >
> > I believe that for all intents and purposes, there
> > is no frames window
> > in GIMP.  "Frames" are represented as layers in GIF
> > images (for web,
> > in GIF export) and as separate files (for AVI, in
> > Gimp Animation
> > Package, a.k.a GAP).  To get the kind of effects
> > created by Macromedia
> > Fireworks, you'd need to create multiple still
> > images and sew them
> > together as a GIF, AVI, or by using JavaScript in
> > your web page - a
> > long process.
> >
> > Macromedia Fireworks uses something called "Vector"
> > based Graphics
> > provided by Macromedia's proprietary Flash
> > technology/file format, and
> > GIMP uses "Raster" based graphics which are not so
> > proprietary and
> > come in various file formats.  The two are
> > different, yield different
> > results, and work differently.  While GIMP is good
> > at editing various
> > types of "raster" images for the web, it doesn't do
> > many of the
> > features of Macromedia Fireworks that appear to be
> > touted on its
> > website.
> >
> > [Vector images use points and "connect the dots"
> > when they display on
> > your computer and contain instructions like "put
> > this text here" and
> > "fill this shape with this colour", whereas Raster
> > images store the
> > colour in a grid of dots that are put next to each
> > other to look like
> > an image.]
> >
> > You might find it easier to describe the effect you
> > wish to get, and
> > maybe we can show you a different way of achieving
> > it with the GIMP.
> >
> > --
> > ~Mike
> >  - Just my two cents
> >  - No man is an island, and no man is unable.
> >
>
>


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[Gimp-user] Re: [Gimp-developer] the expanding gimp web

[michael chang]

On 11/5/05, Carol Spears <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 05, 2005 at 04:33:08PM +, michael chang wrote:
> > On 11/4/05, Carol Spears <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > i considered what sort of collections of blogs i would find useful.  i
> > > also considered what could happen if only a small fraction of the gimp
> > > users added their blog to the feed.  the developers would be lost.  if
> > > there was only one feed, the news would get lost as well.
> > >
> > > i agree that some explanation would help, i got a little confused myself
> > > by the gimp object scheme this week while making them.  after a short
> > > break in working with them, i will see what i can do about adding a
> > > little more information.
> >
> > Quite nice, the clean interface makes it easy on the eyes, and it
> > looks like it'll break down nicely if someone's using a console-based
> > browser (e.g. Lynx).
> >
> thank you.  the very first thing they did when i showed my first gimp
> web site on the irc was to try it in lynx.  this is a fact for anyone
> trying to design a gimp web site.
>
> > Since it's already set up like that, I don't know if you want to
> > change it, but maybe a unified header + description at the top,
> > followed by a selection for Layers | Pixels | Paths would be
> > interesting... http://blogs.gimp.org/layers,
> > http://blogs.gimp.org/pixels, and http://blogs.gimp.org/paths URIs
> > would make sense (although that's less creative, i suppose, than your
> > current offerings).  If you did do something like that,
> > http://blogs.gimp.org would maybe also have the same main header as on
> > the above three sites, and then split the three aggregated feeds into
> > individual columns with mini-headers... maybe similar to the column
> > layout at http://www.google.com/ig (except not so interactive and
> > messy...)... each column would be headed b the individual "Layers",
> > "Pixels" and "Paths" blogs headings respectively.
> >
> one of my irc friends (i always forget that he is one of the people who
> actually does the work running the gnome computers -- that kind of
> friend, they are great to make and a rare human who is a friend more
> than a superhuman ruler of an actual internet domain) does not like the
> word blog.  he said that he doesn't mind the idea of it but would prefer
> that people call them web journals or web logs.
>
> the planet software suggests the word planet.  it is implied that the
> planets show developer web logs.  i almost missed this implication and
> called the user aggregation a planet.  there are a bunch of "planets"
> already.
>
> blogs.gimp.org -- what if the gimp computers started to have more than
> just me on the computer with a blog?

*shrugs* To me, blog doesn't sound right either -- it is a sort of
made-up word anyway.  But the idea of a quasi-unified interface was
just that, an idea.  The concept of a whatever.gimp.org/section seemed
to make sense to me since the content ... source-type is the same?  I
have no clue now...

Planet would sound nice, except, yes, it is way too common, and I
don't think it sounds GIMPy enough (if that's a word).

> two thoughts about putting the feeds all on one page.  1) is that
> useful? and 2) gimp is making new images for two of them everyday.
> they are random in content (somewhat) and also size.  a unified look
> more than what there is now is not more important than how cool those
> random images are, in my opinion.

Hm.  Very true, since I guess the whole purpose of the layout is to
not detract from the actual content in and of itself.  [Well, at least
I didn't suggest DHTML sliding menus or panels or something. ;)]

> i think a short text explaining whose web logs should be enough.

Well, it was just an idea -- whatever works, I say.  In any case, good luck.

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[Gimp-user] Re: [Gimp-developer] the expanding gimp web

[michael chang]

On 11/4/05, Carol Spears <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 04, 2005 at 09:28:05PM +0100, Sven Neumann wrote:
> > Carol Spears <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > > there are a few new gimp.org web sites lately.  i have been playing with
> > > the software available from planet.org and the results have been almost
> > > instant.
> > >
> >
> > Very nice. I am not sure how useful it is to have different
> > aggregators for developers and users but we will see. What I am
> > missing is a note on the individual sites explaining what feeds they
> > are collecting and perhaps links to the other aggregators?
>
> i considered what sort of collections of blogs i would find useful.  i
> also considered what could happen if only a small fraction of the gimp
> users added their blog to the feed.  the developers would be lost.  if
> there was only one feed, the news would get lost as well.
>
> i agree that some explanation would help, i got a little confused myself
> by the gimp object scheme this week while making them.  after a short
> break in working with them, i will see what i can do about adding a
> little more information.

Quite nice, the clean interface makes it easy on the eyes, and it
looks like it'll break down nicely if someone's using a console-based
browser (e.g. Lynx).

Since it's already set up like that, I don't know if you want to
change it, but maybe a unified header + description at the top,
followed by a selection for Layers | Pixels | Paths would be
interesting... http://blogs.gimp.org/layers,
http://blogs.gimp.org/pixels, and http://blogs.gimp.org/paths URIs
would make sense (although that's less creative, i suppose, than your
current offerings).  If you did do something like that,
http://blogs.gimp.org would maybe also have the same main header as on
the above three sites, and then split the three aggregated feeds into
individual columns with mini-headers... maybe similar to the column
layout at http://www.google.com/ig (except not so interactive and
messy...)... each column would be headed b the individual "Layers",
"Pixels" and "Paths" blogs headings respectively.

Hopefully the suggestion sounds clear... and maybe it's something
worth considering, but take it with a grain of salt.  I won't be
offended if you don't like it.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Using FRAMES... How?

[michael chang]

On 11/4/05, Ernesto Orozco Coulson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have been looking for but I could not find the way
> to work with FRAMES (like Macromedia Fireworks).
>
> Where is the "frames" window?
>
> Could anyone please give me explanation about?
>

I believe that for all intents and purposes, there is no frames window
in GIMP.  "Frames" are represented as layers in GIF images (for web,
in GIF export) and as separate files (for AVI, in Gimp Animation
Package, a.k.a GAP).  To get the kind of effects created by Macromedia
Fireworks, you'd need to create multiple still images and sew them
together as a GIF, AVI, or by using JavaScript in your web page - a
long process.

Macromedia Fireworks uses something called "Vector" based Graphics
provided by Macromedia's proprietary Flash technology/file format, and
GIMP uses "Raster" based graphics which are not so proprietary and
come in various file formats.  The two are different, yield different
results, and work differently.  While GIMP is good at editing various
types of "raster" images for the web, it doesn't do many of the
features of Macromedia Fireworks that appear to be touted on its
website.

[Vector images use points and "connect the dots" when they display on
your computer and contain instructions like "put this text here" and
"fill this shape with this colour", whereas Raster images store the
colour in a grid of dots that are put next to each other to look like
an image.]

You might find it easier to describe the effect you wish to get, and
maybe we can show you a different way of achieving it with the GIMP.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Can't get this image sharp with GIMP. Any suggestions?

[michael chang]

On 11/1/05, qeldroma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello Gimp-users,
>
> i've got a bad digital camera and want to work over the results. Bad in this
> case means, that i've got good resolution and good results concerning the
> light, but a bad sharpness.

How was the camera being held?  Was it sitting on something, or was it
in your hand?  If it was in your hand, try putting it on a stable
object (e.g. tripod, chair (risky, but sometimes it works)) or getting
a digital camera with auto-stabilization or whatever they call it
nowadays.

> My idea is, that if i've got a good resolution, what the fact is, there must
> be a way to sharpen it. Isn't it?

I would say, probably, no.  That said, try scaling it down using
linear or something, maybe that helps?  I doubt it, but maybe it's
worth a shot.  Generally, for something like this, the best thing
would be to get it right the first time, if possible.  Even if that
means taking the same picture 3 times just in case.

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[Gimp-user] Font Problem,

[Michael Luich]

Hey everyone,

I have a user who keeps getting :
font '-Adobe-Helvetica-Bold-R-Normal-*-*-540-72-72-P-*-ISO10646-1'  not found.

I can recreate it by trying to use the text tool to insert Helvetica bold.

RHEL 3
Everyhting seems to be default.

I can't seem to figure where it's trying to get this font from. I can't
find anything like ISO10646 fonts although I have ISO8859 fonts. I'm
sure I'm missing something simple.....


Thanks for the Help.

Michael Luich

Re: [Gimp-user] Problem with patterns

[michael chang]

On 10/31/05, Jim Lynch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm trying to add a pattern and it's just not doing what I think it should.
> I loaded a small image, 135x94 into gimp and saved it as a pattern (.pat).
> I then moved it to the /usr/share/gimp/2.0/pattern directory.  I quit gimp
> and then brought it back up.  No pattern.  I decided maybe the patterns were
> coming from somewhere else, so I did a locate on corkboard.pat.  Only one of
> them.  OK, so I temporarily moved one of the .pat files to another location,
> refreshed gimp again and it was gone.  Ah, so it is reading from that
> directory.  Maybe there is something about my image that gimp doesn't like,
> so I copied pine.pat to a new name, 3dwood.pat.  I refreshed gimp again,
> closing and restarting.  Nope, no 3dwood.
>
>  File attributes are just fine, all of them at 644.  Owner is root.root on
> all the files, old and new.
>
>  Can anyone tell me what's going on?
>
>  Running on a Debian Sarge release distro with gimp 2.2.

In "File|Preferences", what directories are listed as resource sources
for patterns?

IIRC, you can also put the pattern in ~/.gimp-2.2/patterns if you are
doing a per-user install (as opposed to system-wide).

Also, does the pattern(s) folder have an -s or no?  I forget what the
actual one does have, although IIRC you can set any one you want, in
theory.  I could be wrong though, I'm a bit rusty.

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Re: [Gimp-user] How to write a "simple" macro [newbie]

[michael chang]

On 10/27/05, Mauro Condarelli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I need to:
> 1) Use the magic wand to select a region.
> 2) This region will be a big region with (possibly) internal sub-regions; if 
> this is the case I need to destroy all the inner regions (i.e.: I need to 
> preserve just the outer region, without any "holes").

Sounds like you're trying to erase the contents of a speech bubble and
fill it with new text.  The magic wand will select the white inside
the bubble (assuming it is actually closed, which isn't guaranteed in
comics, so you may get some bleeding which would ruin the entire
thing) but you'll have to delete the text by doing some sort of
combo-selection which will be kinda finicky.

> 3) Clear the region to a specified colour.
> 4) Edit a (possibly long) string and fit it into the cleared region 
> (eventually scaling the font to make it fit).
>
> Nice to have:
> - save the "original" region contents in a layer before killing it.
> - render the string to a different layer than the background (this would 
> enable to see either the "old" or the "new" content simply marking the two 
> layers visible/not-visible.

2.x text tools put text in a seperate layer...

> I need this in order to translate some comics I scanned.

Maybe you want to make a background later, select the area(s) with the
magic tool (click magic tool, shift click-click-click as necessary),
cut, paste in a new layer, hide the cutout's layer and then create a
text layer with your text.

I'm not sure if I'm being clear though, so it might not be helpful enough.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp Screencapture Question

[michael chang]

On 10/26/05, Kaplan, Andrew H. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi there --
>
> I am running GIMP 2.2 and am trying to capture a section of rather than the
> entire screen. I go to File/Acquire and select Single Window in the Grab
> utility. A cross hairs appears and I select a portion of the screen.
>
> However, instead of just that area of the screen being captured, the entire
> screen is captured. What steps or settings do I need to change to correct 
> this?
> Thanks.

If you already have the captured picture, and don't want to go about
capturing it again,
and if you're willing, you can also crop the captured bit of the
screen with the crop tools, which will cut out everything outside the
selected area that you crop.  [Either make a selection, then find the
crop option in the menus, or use the Crop tool.]

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Re: [Gimp-user] Another Photo Editing Software

[michael chang]

Considering what they're shipping with their latest generation iMacs,
i'm not surprised -- I mean with OS X and the built in cameras on the
iMacs, they've now got videoconferencing on H.264 on their OS by
default... I believe also that OS X was also one to move all the GUI
processing to the graphics card (similar to how Windows Vista plans to
do the same when/if it comes out, either now, or in it's sucessor).

Do note that current Intel PCs are shipping with single-core 2GHz
processors (low end), single-core 3GHz processors (mid-end) or
dual-core 2.4 GHz processors (high-end).

I could be totally wrong, though.

That all said, IIRC, movie editing is a lot worse, usually -
especially if you're going for something with a nice-looking GUI.  You
probably could get by with a bit less, but it'd be unstable and/or
slow.

[I hope there's a minimum system listing too. ;]

On 10/19/05, Jad Madi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> LOL
> Recommended System
>
> * Dual 2GHz Power Mac G5 or faster
> * 2GB of RAM
> * One of the following graphics cards:
>   o ATI Radeon X800 XT Mac Edition
>   o ATI Radeon 9800 XT or 9800 Pro
>   o NVIDIA GeForce 6800 Ultra DDL or 6800 GT DDL
>   o NVIDIA GeForce 6600 LE or 6600
>   o NVIDIA GeForce 7800 GT
>   o NVIDIA Quadro FX 4500
> * 5GB of disk space for application, templates, and tutorial
> * DVD drive for installation

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Re: [Gimp-user] Another Photo Editing Software

[Michael Schumacher]

> Von: Bruno de Oliveira Schneider <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> I wonder why the need for a graphics card with high processing power
> and 3D pipeline for photo editing...

This application is obviously the answer to the question

"How do we get our customers to buy the last PPC Macs and don't have them
wait for the Intel ones?"


SCNR,
Michael

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[Gimp-user] Re: Grammar checker.

[michael chang]

On 10/17/05, Joao S. O. Bueno Calligaris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Michael, please!
>
> I never intende rto start a "kde vs gnome"fight in the gimp-user list.

Sorry, I believe my words may have come out the wrong way, and I
didn't think before making the post.  Both are excellent.  Again,
apologies.

> One asked for a feature - I simply showed where a similar feature is
> implemented, and suggested a way to implement it without clutter the
> GIMP with non-image related code.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Re: Grammar checker.

[michael chang]

On 10/17/05, Joao S. O. Bueno Calligaris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Monday 17 October 2005 04:40 pm, Olivier Ripoll wrote:
> > Robin Laing wrote:
> > > Saw this in Slashdot.
> > >
> > > Abiword beats OpenOffice to a Grammar Checker
> > > http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/10/15/1312216&fr
> > >om=rss
> > >
> > > I haven't wanted a grammar checker since Windows 3.1 days.
> >
> > Well, you could write a plugin for it, but I do not know under
> > which category of plugin it could be included in gimp... perhaps
> > misc or as an option in the text tool...
> >
> > Sincerely,
>
> Well,
>
> there is more than one year that KDE had included spell cheking in
> everytext entry. I do not see why in the future spell and grammar
> checking could not go globally into GTK text entries thenselves.

Efficiency.  As it stands, KDE is very ... consumer-oriented, toward
(i.e.) people who use it as a consumer desktop.  (I know of a 12 year
old and a 9 year old who prefer KDE because when they click to start
an application, there's a little bouncing icon next to the mouse
cursor.)

I like Gnome/GTK because it has a nice, clean, usable, uncluttered interface.

That said, KDE is good for some things, too (e.g. KPovModeller, Kate,
when editing POV-Ray scripts (www.povray.org)).

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Re: [Gimp-user] Adjusting gray level curve: 3 input levels -> 3 output levels?

[michael chang]

On 10/15/05, Felix E. Klee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At Fri, 14 Oct 2005 13:48:59 +0200,
> Felix E. Klee wrote:
> > I want to bend an grayscale image's gray level curve so that three
> > input levels are turned into three output levels.  For all six levels
> > I have the precise values, for example acquired with the color picker
> > tool.

> > Any suggestions?
>
> Being desperate, I fired up Micrografx Picture Publisher 5.0a, an old
> Win 3.1 program.  It's capabilities for doing color correction are quite

> Now, although Picture Publisher 5.0a is still a very nice tool, it does
> have a number of disadvantages, especially when it comes to handling
> modern file formats.  Also, it - of course - doesn't run natively under
> LINUX.  That's why I try to do more and more tasks with the Gimp, and
> that's why I still would like to hear about a simple solution for my
> problem with the Gimp.

This sounds interesting, although I wish I knew what a gray level
curve was (is it that histogram-like thing that you get on some
cameras that shows you how much the value is in the various regions of
the picture left to right?).

If there is a numerical formula or procedure you can think of where I
can give you any random pixel, and you can use that pixel's value,
(and maybe position or some other data that should be obtainable from
that pixel), the three input values, and three output values, I can
imagine a plug-in being created.  I can't think of any such thing,
unfortunately.  Otherwise, my next guess would be resorting to a
bogo-sort-like "algorithm", which would take years to come up with a
result for one image.  I'm sure someone else can do better, obviously.

Is there a display function/filter/tool/plug-in/script-fu/etc for the
grey level curve in GIMP though?

IIRC, in GIMP 1.x, there was a plugin that would, at the least, I
believe, normalize the grey curve (although I may be wrong)...
appraently the plug-in is no longer necessary for it's purpose in GIMP
2.x, although I don't know.

What about the Layer | Colour | Curves dialgoue thingie (Colour |
Curves in GIMP 2.3.4)?

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Re: [Gimp-user] dcraw

[michael chang]

On 10/12/05, Orlando Figueiredo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks everybody for your sugestions and posts.
>  I was abble to install the ufraw plugin using yum...
>  Now, in the open window of gimp I can chosse the option to open the raw
> format and it also includes *.cr2 which is the eos350D format. The problem
> is that when I click to open the image I get a message that says that
> eos350D is not suppoeted yet.
>  I went to Dave Coffin's home page
>  and I checked the
> list and the eos350d is there. So I am confused and do not know what the
> next step is?
>  Any ideas??

Maybe you have an outdated dcraw package, or you are missing a plugin
or similar.  In such circumstances, the solution would to go through
the painstaking process of downloading gimp development packages for
your distribution, and building dcraw from source.

Logically, my head tells me that

yum install gimp-devel

should work, although I've never used Fedora, as above.

Then, presuming you have necessary packages like tar, gzip, make and
gcc on your system (I don't remember if they're part of Fedora's
default install) you can simply go:

tar -xvzf dcraw-x-y-z.tar.gz
cd dcraw-x-y-z
./configure
make

and then

# make install

[meaning run "make install" as root, either via su, sudo, or under
root from a terminal login]

similar to many other programs when building from source.  But there's
no research behind this -- and hopefully dcraw comes with better
and/or more detailed instructions in the package (if any).

Like above, this is all guesses, and more likely than not unhelpful. 
A user of Fedora probably has a better answer.

>  Thanks a lot... I really appreciated the previous help and please keep
> helping me
>  Orlando
>
> 2005/10/12, Bruno Postle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > On Wed 12-Oct-2005 at 14:44 +0100, Bruno Postle wrote:
> >
> > > Dcraw is actually part of Fedora fc4 extras, you should be able to
> > > get it like so:
> > >
> > >   yum install dcraw
> > >
> > > (Though this doesn't give you any of the raw plugins for the gimp)
> >
> > For that you need ufraw:
> >
> >   yum install ufraw
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Re: [Gimp-user] dcraw

[michael chang]

On 10/11/05, Orlando Figueiredo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello
>
> I am in great need of some detailed instructions to install the dcraw and
> the necessary plugins to open my Canon EOS350D *.cr2 files.
> I am using Fedora 4 and I already made a lot of trials
>
> I am going bananas... please give me some details on the instructions

I don't know about Fedora, but I do know some distributions provide
binary packages for dcraw.  I know that Ubuntu (and Debian) provide
packages for dcraw AND ufraw in at least one of their repositries;
when/if you get such as system up, the packages can be installed by
executing the command:
"aptitude install gimp-dcraw"
OR
"aptitude install gimp-ufraw"
(or replace aptitude with apt-get if you so desire) as root or under
su or sudo (latter requires set-up by installing sudo and running
visudo as root and then editing the sudoers file).

Ubuntu also has a graphical package manager, which Fedora migrators may like.

I'm sure Fedora is a great system, when/if it works -- but I have
never successfully used it on one of my systems (particularly due to
obscure hardware -- but that's another story, and not techincally
Fedora's fault).

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[Gimp-user] Some suggestions

[Michael Grosberg]

I'm not sure where's the best place to post this - should this be in the
developer's list? I'm not a developer so I decided to put it here hoping one of
the Developers see it anyway. I didn't want to open a feature enhancement for
each of these.

So, after checking out Gimp 2.3.4 I have to say I'm very impressed. The window
behavior has advanced tremendously, I like the fact that transient dialogs are
transient to their image window and keep above them, while still being non-modal
so other images can be accessed. The new colors dialog is cool, and some filters
have been renamed and moved to other menus making things easier to find. Still,
I'd like to suggest more appropriate names.

Select-->distort: Was "distress selection". The new name implies a sort of
perspective distort but actually creates a sort of "wavy" selection. I suggest
this be renamed to "roughen selection" (as it does to a selection the same thing
"roughen" in adobe illustrator does to paths) or "jagged selection".

Select-->fade to layer mask: was "fade outline. The name is OK but it shouldn't
be placed in "select" as what it does is just use the current selection to
generate a layer mask. I mean, just about every command and tool uses the
current selection. So, Can this be placed in Layer-->mask, maybe? Alternatively
this can be approached from the usage angle - thinking that this script will
probably be used to create a photo frame with blurry edges, it can be placed in
Filters-->decor.

I'd also like to suggest changing filters-->distorts to just "distort". Most of
the other entries in the filters menu are verbs - enhance, blur, combine, etc. I
don't think "Distorts" is even a valid word in English - the plural form of the
word is "distortions". Actually this is another valid option.

I'd like to see "colors-->colorify" removed as it does almost the same thing as
"colorize" with a simplified interface with less options. 

So, to sum it up, a lot of good work has been done on this version so far by the
Gimp team. Hopefully all the small details will be taken care of as well to
create the polished application the Gimp deserves to be.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Handling multi page tiff docs gracefully

[michael chang]

On 10/6/05, Kenneth Kron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> When I open a multi page tiff document in Gimp 2.0 get all of the images
> stacked as a single page document and I can't figure out how to creat new
> pages so I can look at the individual pages.
>
>  Since I do most of my faxing electronically it would be nice to be able to
> just open up the document add my entries and then email it back out.

IIRC, the pages are stored as different layers; so just make the only
one you want visible, and then add new layers as necessary.  That
said, you need to make sure the output is the right size, dpi,
dimensions, colour set, etc. etc. etc.

I could be wrong though.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp 2.3.x on Debian

[Michael Schumacher]

Eric P wrote:

>>On Wed, Oct 05, 2005 at 10:42:55AM +0200, Michael Schumacher wrote:

>>>For simply testing the 2.3 releases, I wouldn't create a Debian package,
>>>just install it where it can do no harm to your system.

> Michael, I took your tip and stuck it in ~/.gimp
> 
> You're absolutely right.  Why make a package when I'll just keep
> compiling devel releases for a while?

Hm, don't know whether this is a good choice - directories with a
leading dot are hidden therefore usually used for settings.

While it is no technical problem to do it like this, you're confusing
the semantics of such directories.


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Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp 2.3.x on Debian

[michael chang]

On 10/4/05, Eric P <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I can't remember if I asked this before or not, but does anybody make
> any 2.3.x packages for deb?

They're not supposed to...

> I used to compile my own these past few years on Suse w/checkinstall to
> stay up on development progress, but since switching to Debian earlier
> this year I haven't got back on board.
>
> I think I tried compiling 2.3.1 back a few months ago, but checkinstall
> failed to make a deb package... (going off a foggy memory).

You'd need various deb creation utilities... dpkg, etc. etc. etc.
(checkinstall worked for me, until my Debian system died when I pushed
Ctrl-C at the wrong time during ldconfig for another program).

> Can anyone spank me onto the straight and narrow here?

You're usually suggested to install into e.g. /opt/gimp-2.3 and then
place that in your PATH.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp 2.3.x on Debian

[Michael Schumacher]

> Von: Carol Spears <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> On Tue, Oct 04, 2005 at 09:50:36PM -0500, Eric P wrote:

> > I can't remember if I asked this before or not, but does anybody make
> > any 2.3.x packages for deb?

> it is easy to build your own on debian.  i build mine in /usr/local
> though so, it is not the same as getting it from them.

If I'm not mistkane, it is not advised to install into any /usr prefix - the
release notes mention /opt, and I've chosen a directory in my $HOME.
 
> the developers have a plea to distributions to not distribute the
> development version (still the odd numbers: 1.3, 2.1, 2.3...) somewhere
> in the source where they might read it.  the debian packager reads it.

Not that strict anymore, all what is requested is to make it clear that this
is a development release. Some people qrgue that it is too eraly in the
release cycle, OTOH binaries for the development releases could e.g. help
participants of http://openusability.org/projects/gimp to evaluate more
recent versions of The GIMP.

> > Can anyone spank me onto the straight and narrow here?
> > 
> spanking is not my department.

For simply testing the 2.3 releases, I wouldn't create a Debian package,
just install it where it can do no harm to your system.


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Re: [Gimp-user] glow around a text

[michael chang]

On 10/4/05, Roger D Vargas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Im trying to make some buttons for a web site. The buttons could be text
> or an small image plus text. I havent found a way to draw something like
> a glow around the image and text for highlighted buttons, can somebody
> give me an idea about this?

Various Script-Fu scripts included with GIMP; e.g. Alpha To
Logo-->Alien Glow or similar.

Simply use colour-to-alpha on the background colour or use the magic
contious-region select and delete.  Note, you'll need an alpha channel
on your image (right-click the layer in the main image and click "Add
Alpha Channel" if it's not greyed out).  Also, IIRC, the script works
on one layer and does various things (e.g. copies it), so if your logo
+ text are seperate and you want different glows, you may need to make
them seperate one-layer images and then figure out how to organize and
fiddle with the various layers to get the effect you want.

Another idea would be, in a new layer under existing object, to take a
selection of the background, invert the selection (so you're selecting
the object), grow the selection, make it a colour, and then make it
semitransparent (I believe a slider on the layers dialogue does this)
- and then put in a background colour layer behind all that (meaning
your image must have alpha... like above).

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Re: [Gimp-user] Help needed for highlights

[michael chang]

On 10/3/05, Gmail User <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am trying to remove/soften the highlights in the picture, where the
> highlights were created by reflection of the flash on a person's sweaty
> forehead. Any ideas on how to remove or soften them so that they do not
> look so bad?

In GIMP 1.x, there was a plugin called homogenize that seemed to do
the trick.  Because the purpose which this plugin filled for it's
creator no longer exists, a version for 2.x doesn't exist, although I
believe it'd be nice if someone "ported" it to 2.x because it did fill
in a niche that I can't seem to satisfy.  (If I ever get some free
time, I might attempt it, but I have my doubts.)

You may also want to look at the levels tool, but I'm not horribly
experienced with it.

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Re: [Gimp-user] old picture

[michael chang]

On 10/2/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am a new user to gimp and have a question regarding an old picture.

Welcome!

> It is an old picture of my great-grandfather. The quality of the picture is 
> not
> so good and his face is not so clear. Is there any way to make this picture
> better with gimp?

I believe there are a great many ways of accomplishing this; various
filters and settings have interesting effects that you might want to
play around with.  The kinds of improvements necessary would be
helpful.  Finally, you may wish to note that there are also various
other ways of 'correcting' pictures; IIRC, Google's Picasa (for
Windows) had a pretty simple interface if you simply need really basic
photo correction.

> As I am new to the are of image processing I hope that it is not a too simple
> question.

Nonsense; so long as a question is asked politely and with proper
spelling and grammar, there should be almost no such thing as too
simple of a question.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Re: error starting gimp from the command-line on Windows XP

[Michael Schumacher]

Diaa Sami wrote:

> Well, I found out the problem, it lies in the way the gimp gets
> installed on windows.
> for some reason, the installer doesn't place the dll's need by the
> gimp(including libglib-2.0-0.dll) into the %Windows%\System32 folder,

This is intentional. Blindly copying to system32 is the reason why most
Windows system are in such an inferior state.

> instead, it uses the key
> HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\App Paths\ in the
> registry to tell windows to use some paths for finding binaries when
> this executable is launched.

This is the right thing to do - this way, the DLLs are only used if a
program which needs them is launched, and otherwise don't interfere.

> also, seems that these paths aren't used when launching from the
> command-line.

And finally this is why Microsoft provide the 'start' command. Using

start gimp-2.2.exe 

will add the App Paths entry to PATH, just like it is done when starting
GIMP from e.g. Explorer.


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Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP and SANE - Linux

[michael chang]

On 9/23/05, Newton Nickel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dear Friends : I need some help, cause I can´t use my
> scanner with GIMP on Linux. I don't saw it, at
> acquire. How to do to solve this problem ? Sincerely,

Let me see if I understand you; you can't user your scanner with Linux
+ GIMP because it's not found in the dialog?

Erm... I guess you have to load the drivers or modules for your
scanner, if they are already compiled, or recompile your kernel with
those drivers.  This is assuming that your scanner has a linux
driver/module, which it may or may not have.

Does the scanner work with any other applications in Linux?  What
distro and version of Linux (kernel, and the distro) are you using?

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Re: [Gimp-user] Bezier paths problems

[Michael Schumacher]

> Von: Doug <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> I'm using Gimp v2.2 and having some problems with the Bezier paths:

> Are there any ways round this?

http://docs.gimp.org/en/ch07s06.html#gimp-tool-path


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Re: [Gimp-user] Odd scaling behaviour

[Michael Schumacher]

> Von: Doug <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> While working on an image I found that the behaviour of the Tools=> 
> Transform Tools=> Scale tool suddenly changed - scaling *down* the image 
> size caused it to *increase* in size and vice versa. So if I want to 
> change the pixel size by a factor f, I need to tell it to change by 1/f.
> 
> What's up?

You're probably using the corrective mode of the scale tool, this can be
changed in the tool options.


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Re: [Gimp-user] Scale Image

[Michael Schumacher]

Carol Spears wrote:

> ps, how did you avoid the user mail signature on the lower portion of
> this mail sent to the gimp-user mail list?

Probably by sending HTML mail...


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Re: [Gimp-user] Scale Image

[michael chang]

On 9/20/05, Helen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Photos from my camera are huge in Gimp, so

Yeah, I noticed that too.  You'd think they're unnecessary (the
millions of extra dots) - until you print.  Funny thing this world is.
 Annoying how you can get away with 72 dpi on a monitor, yet for
printing you need something like 4800x2400 dpi.  Can't tell until you
print... and if you don't ever print (you tell someone else to do so)
then it's really annoying.

>  I use Scale Image to get them small enough to
>  fit into a photo frame.  Am I losing picture quality

Digital photo frame or physical (e.g. printing out)?

>  when I Scale image to make it smaller?  If so, is

Yes, you are losing quality.  You reduce the number of dots in the
image, which reduces the number of dots per inch in the final
printout.  I'm assuming you're printing out, yes?

Of course, the type of scaling affects the accuracy of the loss... but
it's still loss, yes.

>  there a way to reduce an image without losing
>  quality?

Yes; change the DPI (dots per inch) in the Print Size dialog, instead
of using Scale.  It may help to uncheck "dot for dot" in the view/zoom
menu whatsit, so that you get an approximation of what it should
appear on paper size on the monitor (provided you gave it correct DPI
values when you configured GIMP the first time).  The values given in
the dialogue for size are pretty accurate too, provided your printer
supports them.

As a side note, IIRC Print in GIMP on Linux will adjust the size of
the picture by scaling up or down to the whole page by default if you
don't specify otherwise, and a print "size" can also be specified
there, I believe.  In Windows, because it uses the Windows print
dialogue, this is only specified in the Print Size dialogue, I
believe.

>  Helen, using jpeg image format on Gimp 2.2.4

OS? (Operating System?)

Hope I was helpful.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Re: PNG binary transparency

[Michael Schumacher]

michael chang wrote:

> This sounds like something that should be only created if it's set by
> the user -- e.g. a save option.  Although then it'd have to be
> specified every time, which might be annoying.  In that case, you'd
> still see the colour that acts transparent in GIMP - just not when
> it's actually edited.  That said, that might be inconvienent for those
> who use GIMP as an image viewer, and confuddle users of GAP.

IMO it could be a reasonable default to set tRNS to the currently
selected background color when saving with "keep tranparent pixels'
color" unset. This would copy the behaviour for the bKGD chunk.


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Re: [Gimp-user] Re: PNG binary transparency

[michael chang]

On 9/13/05, Chris Kinata [kcom] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> By "absent image" are we talking about the img frame.png in
> the passages
>   
> 
>   
> but can't find a correct path for frame.png.

I think we call this generative loss or something... frame.png was
there before.  I swear, it was, honest.  I don't know where it is now
-- Carol, I don't suppose you have a backup?  Or maybe when you
changed the script somewhere, you forgot to prepend something in the
path (or did it in a seperate version).  *shrugs*

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Re: [Gimp-user] Re: PNG binary transparency

[michael chang]

On 9/13/05, Patrick Shanahan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> * michael chang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [09-13-05 15:33]:
> >
> > So logically, should we even be using tRNS in PNG anyway?  IE is one
> > of the most commonly used browsers, AFAIK...
> >
> 
> Why would you cripple a *good* program because a *bad* program, IE, is
> broken?

Hm.  Good point.  My apologies if anyone interpreted my
poorly-researched remarks (above) as trolling, BTW.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Re: PNG binary transparency

[michael chang]

On 9/13/05, Jeffrey Brent McBeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 13, 2005 at 05:30:21PM +0300, Diaa Sami wrote:
> >
> > that's exactly what I wanted, I looked into PNG docs, and I found out
> > that there are two functions responsible for this, which are
> > png_get_tRNS and png_set_tRNS.
> 
> Yup.  For just about any chunk, there is a get/set pair in the reference
> implementation.  The GIMP could easily figure out when the alpha is binary
> (to use tRNS rather than RGBA), but picking out an unused color to represent
> transparent that is acceptible to the user, applications, and further
> editing is an impossible (or difficult) task.

This sounds like something that should be only created if it's set by
the user -- e.g. a save option.  Although then it'd have to be
specified every time, which might be annoying.  In that case, you'd
still see the colour that acts transparent in GIMP - just not when
it's actually edited.  That said, that might be inconvienent for those
who use GIMP as an image viewer, and confuddle users of GAP.

> IE ignores tRNS when you aren't in palette mode, anytime you added some of
> that color to an image, it would turn transparent seperate from what you
> expect, etc.

So logically, should we even be using tRNS in PNG anyway?  IE is one
of the most commonly used browsers, AFAIK...

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Re: [Gimp-user] Problem Printing

[michael chang]

On 9/12/05, Akkana Peck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Chris Spencer writes:
> > When I try to print any image (xcf, jpg, png, etc) of reasonable size
> > (4x3 inches) with the GIMP, my printer (HP Deskjet) prints out a single
> > page with:
> > %!PS-Adobe-3.0
> >   %%Creator: Print plug-in V4.2.7 - 15 Jul 2004 for
> >   GIMP/Gimp-Print
> 
> That very often means that you haven't configured the printer type
> in the gimp-print dialog. It doesn't get your printer type from
> CUPS or whatever other spooler you might be running; it defaults
> to postscript, which for most inkjet printers results in printing
> out a lot of postscript source.

Yes, I remember this now.

> (I wish it defaulted to "No printer"
> or something, and perhaps popped up a dialog asking the user to
> set the printer type

Yet this will confuse users who have Inkjets that use printer systems
that only read Postscript (see below).

> ... if it ever gets straightened out which
> project owns the gimp-print dialog, perhaps I'll try adding that
> myself.)

Sounds like a good idea.  :P

> If you've already set gimp-print to the right printer type,
> then I'm out of ideas and maybe someone with an HP can help.
> What OS/distro are you running?

I have a HP Deskjet 722C and 842C both in my house.  They work fine
under CUPS/Debian (stable and testing/unstable).  Ironically, by
printing to CUPS, I have to send Postscript output to CUPS which then
uses another driver to convert Postscript to my printer's native
format.  So I don't see what the problem might be here, unless he's
directly using LPR or something w/o an intermediatary.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Problem Printing

[michael chang]

On 9/12/05, Chris Spencer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> When I try to print any image (xcf, jpg, png, etc) of reasonable size
> (4x3 inches) with the GIMP, my printer (HP Deskjet) prints out a single
> page with:
> %!PS-Adobe-3.0
> %%Creator: Print plug-in V4.2.7 - 15 Jul 2004 for 
> GIMP/Gimp-Print
> 
> and then procedes to print an infinite series of blank pages. I let GIMP
> run through several dozen pages before I had to cancel the print. Is
> this a bug, or is there some configuration I'm missing?

Your printer is misinterpreting GIMP's output as text -- what the
output reads is literal postscript.  Dunno what exactly causes it, but
I know that if you've got a misconfiguration between GIMP-Print (well,
techincally it's Gutenprint now), your printing system or setup, and
your printer, then that's what'll happen.

What version of GIMP, and Gimp/Gutenprint are you using, and what
printing system or setup, printer, and OS (+ version) are you using? 
That might help.

> I haven't had any other problems with this printer.

What else did you print, and how did you print it (e.g. from what application)?

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Re: [Gimp-user] Re: PNG binary transparency

[michael chang]

On 9/12/05, Diaa Sami <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> actually I need to do this with 24-bit PNG's, is it possible?
> it it's not, do u know any other free tool that does this?

AFAIK GIMP doesn't support 24-bit colour.  Apparently it's a
limitation in GIMP's current design, and won't be fixed for a long
time.

And Sorry, I don't know of any free tools that do what you want.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Re: Livre sur Gimp (aka publishing GIMP books)

[michael chang]

On 9/12/05, Juhana Sadeharju <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >From: "Michael J. Hammel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> >FWIW, I'm working on another GIMP book, tentatively titled The Artist's
> >Guide to GIMP Effects.  It's essentially a followup to my first book,
> >The Artist's Guide to the GIMP.  I think the publication date is early
> >next year - publisher is No Starch Press.
> 
> Could you all authors limit the copyright to a few years?
> (Instead of having copyright term 80 years after you drop off.)
> It should not make harm to the business.
> 
> Well, the software was given free to you, give us something back.

Is that legally possible without releasing it under e.g. Creative
Commons from the first day?

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Re: [Gimp-user] Scaling an image from script?

[michael chang]

On 9/10/05, Sven Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> "Leeuw van der, Tim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > Now my confusion is that I do find an image-scale function but that
> > doesn't allow for interpolation; I do find a function that allows
> > for interpolation: drawable-transform-scale. But that function seems
> > to be about transforming a region of an image, not the whole
> > image...
> 
> gimp-drawable-transform-scale[-default] scales the full drawable, not
> a region of it. I think you misinterpreted the API.

BTW, Drawable refers to a layer, AFAIK.  Can't remember if that's the
proper translation of the term, but that's what I've been
"interpreting" it as, and it works fine for me on single-layered
images.

> > (If I don't get a reasonably workable and simple answer then I think
> > I'll just have to cook up something in Python using PIL and forego
> > the quality interpolation that GIMP has when scaling an image -- I'm
> > quite familiar with Python; but there's no Python for my win-gimp so
> > I'll have to use scheme for GIMP scripting)
> 
> The development version of GIMP has Win32 support for gimp-python.
> 
> 
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Re: [Gimp-user] Scaling an image from script?

[michael chang]

On 9/10/05, Michael Schumacher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> michael chang wrote:
> > This will be very confusing, since you're going to have to ensure the
> > script works perfectly on first run (since practically no useful
> > debugging (it's very cryptic) exists for Script-Fu, although what it
> > has is slightly more than e.g. Python-Fu or Perl-Fu).
> 
> Not necessarily, you can easily have the script executed interactively
> and check that it does what you want.

Apparently I've missed this feature - do you mind telling me where it is?

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