From: Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com
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Sent: Thursday, September 5, 2013 9:26 AM
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I also agree that the notions of free will and qualia are two different
On 9/11/2013 5:19 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote:
I don't think that argument holds water. I can't exclude it of course; unlike some
around here I know I don't know; however it does not seem to me that this is an
inevitable result of the mechanics of processing choice... of making comparisons,
it, so I'm
assuming you read it:
...I'm arguing that there is no illusion of free will...
Could I have been any clearer?
All the best
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 21:30:47 -0700
From: meeke...@verizon.net
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Subject: Re: When will a computer pass the Turing Test
I also agree that the notions of free will and qualia are two different
things.
Yes, they are two very different things; one is gibberish and the other is
not.
*to argue that “free will”, “self-awareness” etc. are just noise [...] *
Only a fool would say self-awareness is just noise, and
You cannot say you meditate on choices and make decisions and then in
the next breath say that we are deterministic.
Why the hell not?!
Either we are programs – in which case given a knowledge of our
algorithms our behavior and outcomes should be predictable based on a
knowledge of some
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On 9/5/2013 8:34 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote
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Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 17:36:17 -0700
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Subject
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 3:13 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
while consciousness may just the data processing feels, there are obviously
going to be different feelings about different data processing (e.g. hope,
fear, lust,...)
Yes.
So I think the interesting question is which
--
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Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 17:36:17 -0700
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everything-list@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *meekerdb
2013/9/5 John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 3:13 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
while consciousness may just the data processing feels, there are
obviously going to be different feelings about different data processing
(e.g. hope, fear, lust,...)
Yes.
So
On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote:
Coercion is by persons, not by object or logical things...
So if I were shipwrecked on a desert island then no matter how much I hated
it there and wanted to get back home I would have complete and absolute
free will, but if I ever
On 9/5/2013 10:30 AM, John Clark wrote:
On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com
mailto:allco...@gmail.com wrote:
Coercion is by persons, not by object or logical things...
So if I were shipwrecked on a desert island then no matter how much I hated it there and
wanted
2013/9/5 John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com
On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote:
Coercion is by persons, not by object or logical things...
So if I were shipwrecked on a desert island then no matter how much I
hated it there and wanted to get back home I would have
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Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 7:30 AM
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Subject: RE: When will a computer pass the Turing Test?
Hi Chris
I also do not KNOW whether
On 04 Sep 2013, at 01:43, meekerdb wrote:
On 9/3/2013 3:43 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote:
By the way the brain produces high fidelity illusions for us most
of our waking lives. For example the way we perceive our sight is
very different from the intermittent stream of neural signals that
On 03 Sep 2013, at 18:23, John Clark wrote:
On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 12:01 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
wrote:
indeed free does not add much to the will, except to emphasize a
local freedom degrees spectrum.
It doesn't even do that. Will is the set of things I want to do,
It is
From: meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
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On 9/3/2013 3:43 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote:
By the way the brain produces high
On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com wrote:
**
Can not comment, don't know what ASCII sequence free will means.
You are merely being argumentative here.
I AM NEVER ARGUMENTATIVE!
You certainly do have a very clear idea of the sensations you experience
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 12:53 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
Assuming comp it is absolutely undecidable if our universe (if it
exists) is enumerable or not enumerable,
I make no assumptions whatsoever regarding comp, I never touch the stuff;
but if time and space are quantized (a
2013/9/4 John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com
On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com wrote:
**
Can not comment, don't know what ASCII sequence free will means.
You are merely being argumentative here.
I AM NEVER ARGUMENTATIVE!
You certainly do have a very
On 9/4/2013 9:58 AM, John Clark wrote:
If consciousness is fundamental, and I think it probably is, then after saying that
consciousness is the way data feels when it is being processed there is simply nothing
more to say on the subject, if there were then it wouldn't be fundamental.
I don't
On 9/4/2013 10:00 AM, Chris de Morsella wrote:
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On 9/3/2013 3:43 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote:
By the way the brain
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 3:22 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
You're still looking at it backwards, as though there were some
alternative that would be *really real* and not an illusion; as though a
video camera just recording everything would capture the reall real and
the would
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Subject: Re: When will a computer pass the Turing Test?
On 9/4/2013 10:00 AM, Chris de Morsella wrote:
From: meekerdb mailto:meeke
On 9/4/2013 2:55 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote:
Our brain's are supplying us with our reality and two people immersed in the same
environment will often come away with different descriptions of that environment and
will experience different realities when immersed in that environmental stream of
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On 9/4/2013 2:55 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote
On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 5:24 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote:
Free will is related to the issue of determinism -- could a very
powerful computer precisely predict my
future behaviour?
Yes, but only if the computer
On 9/3/2013 3:48 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 5:24 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote:
Free will is related to the issue of determinism -- could a very
powerful computer precisely predict my
future
On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote:
If not then my actions could not be predicted because they happened for
no reason, they were random.
Or because of the halting problem,
The halting problem involves predictability not determinism; a Turing
Machine is 100%
On 02 Sep 2013, at 17:24, John Clark wrote:
On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote:
Free will is related to the issue of determinism -- could a very
powerful computer precisely predict my
future behaviour?
Yes, but only if the computer didn't tell me what it
On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 12:01 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
indeed free does not add much to the will, except to emphasize a local
freedom degrees spectrum.
It doesn't even do that. Will is the set of things I want to do, but some
of those things may not be physically possible,
[mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Clark
Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 8:37 AM
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Subject: Re: When will a computer pass the Turing Test?
On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 3:37 PM, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com
wrote:
do you think I
On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 2:31 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
Free will is related to the issue of determinism -- could a very
powerful computer precisely predict my
future behaviour?
Yes, but only if the computer didn't tell me what it predicted
beforehand, because then the
On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.comwrote:
I think your position is ridiculous. Evolution has clearly invested a lot
of energy into “free will”
Can not comment, don't know what ASCII sequence free will means.
“self-awareness”, and other qualia that
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Subject: RE: When will a computer pass the Turing Test?
Hi Chris
if in the end it is an infinitely regressing hall of mirrors, a cosmic
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On 9/3/2013 9:27 AM, Chris de Morsella wrote:
Evolution did not go through all
On 9/3/2013 9:27 AM, Chris de Morsella wrote:
Evolution did not go through all the trouble and to expend all the energy our species
expends on creating this sensation within ourselves -- whether it is actually real or an
elaborate (and evolutionarily costly adaptation) to carefully create this
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On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com
wrote
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On 9/3/2013 9:27 AM, Chris de Morsella wrote:
Evolution did not go through all the trouble and to expend all the energy
our species expends
On 9/3/2013 10:54 AM, Chris de Morsella wrote:
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On 9/3/2013 9:27 AM, Chris de Morsella wrote:
Evolution did not go
From: Dennis Ochei do.infinit...@gmail.com
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Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2013 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: When will a computer pass the Turing Test?
Of course it didn't. In order to avoid
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Of course it didn't. In order to avoid the impression of free will
evolution would have had to provide us with conscious perception
On 9/3/2013 3:43 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote:
By the way the brain produces high fidelity illusions for us most of our waking lives.
For example the way we perceive our sight is very different from the intermittent stream
of neural signals that begin their journey from our retinas. Did you know
On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote:
Free will is related to the issue of determinism -- could a very powerful
computer precisely predict my
future behaviour?
Yes, but only if the computer didn't tell me what it predicted beforehand,
because then the computer's
On 9/2/2013 8:24 AM, John Clark wrote:
On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com
mailto:te...@telmomenezes.com wrote:
Free will is related to the issue of determinism -- could a very powerful
computer
precisely predict my
future behaviour?
Yes, but only if the
On Sat, Aug 31, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
at the end of the day I am a dualist
I too am a dualist. I believe that John K Clark's brain and even his entire
body is not identical with John K Clark, and I believe that because I
believe in something far far more fundamental, nouns and adjectives
On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote:
I have noticed a disturbing trend, the use of the word emergent as a
excuse for not thinking.
Sometimes that might be the case. Here, it's context. Free will is a
human concept.
That is incorrect,free will is not a human
On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 6:21 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote:
I have noticed a disturbing trend, the use of the word emergent as a
excuse for not thinking.
Sometimes that might be the case. Here, it's context.
On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 3:37 PM, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.comwrote:
do you think I am trying to pretend that I am deterministic within my
own self?
I think you believe you are not deterministic and also not not
deterministic, which is equivalent to saying I think you believe in
then somebody chatting with a program,
about the weather in Blackford Lancashire, and fooling the human.
Mitch
-Original Message-
From: John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com
To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sat, Aug 31, 2013 11:37 am
Subject: Re: When will a computer pass
The example of heliocentric vs geocentric views is a good one to show the
limitation of the reductionist impulse. While Earth happens to be a part of a
heliocentric topology, the fact that it is easy to mistake the Sun for the more
'moving object' is not in any way an endorsement of the
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Subject: Re: When will a computer pass the Turing Test?
Lets jump ahead of the logic and technology, and presume a successful digital
imitation of the human brain in several decades. More than the Turing Test,
assuming
On 8/31/2013 10:12 AM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
Lets jump ahead of the logic and technology, and presume a successful digital imitation
of the human brain in several decades. More than the Turing Test, assuming that no
programmer or developer inserts a complex program, made to fool human
will a computer pass the Turing Test?
Lets jump ahead of the logic and technology, and presume a successful
digital imitation of the human brain in several decades. More than the
Turing Test, assuming that no programmer or developer inserts a complex
program, made to fool human observers, would
On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com wrote:
We can hypothesize causality and demonstrate a probability perhaps, and
there may in fact exist a causal relationship.
Then it's deterministic.
But if it cannot be demonstrated and traced all the way down the
incredibly
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On 24 Aug 2013, at 17:57, Quentin Anciaux
On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 1:32 PM, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.comwrote:
What happens to a universal Turing machine, if the tape itself is being
written by some other process
The same thing that happens to you when you get pushed around by the
external environment.
John K Clark
--
: When will a computer pass the Turing Test?
On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 1:32 PM, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com
wrote:
What happens to a universal Turing machine, if the tape itself is being
written by some other process
The same thing that happens to you when you get pushed around
that
people who have grown up in those cultures are possessed of this 'cosmic
illusion', yet their day to day phenomenology will be more or less the same as
yours or mine.
All the best
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Subject: RE: When will a computer pass the Turing Test
On 24 Aug 2013, at 17:57, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
2013/8/24 John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com
On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 11:34 PM, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com
wrote
The computer requires a substrate in which to operate upon --
the CPU chips for example are what our computers
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 4:30 PM, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.comwrote
If X = Y AND Y = Z then X = Z This is also logically true, but also has
no substantial bearing on how the dynamic processes by which the mind
arises from the 86 billion neuron and 100 trillion connection two phase
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote:
It is, as always, a confusion of emergence levels. My will is an emergent
concept,
I have noticed a disturbing trend, the use of the word emergent as a
excuse for not thinking.
that has no relevance to the microscopic realm
On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 6:49 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote:
It is, as always, a confusion of emergence levels. My will is an
emergent concept,
I have noticed a disturbing trend, the use of the word emergent as
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Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 9:49 AM
Subject: Re: When will a computer pass the Turing Test?
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 2:52 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 8/27/2013 3:55 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote:
From: John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com
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Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: When will a computer pass the Turing Test
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 6:55 PM, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.comwrote:
Bullshit. Axioms don't need proof, and the most fundamental axiom in all
of logic is that X is Y or X is not Y. Everything else is built on top of
that. And only somebody who was absolutely desperate to prove the
From: meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
[snip]
Although reductionism has recently received a lot
of bad press from supermarket tabloids and new age
gurus the fact remains that if
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Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 11:17 PM
Subject: Re: When will a computer pass the Turing Test?
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 2:52 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 8/27
From: John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 6:55 PM, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com
wrote:
Bullshit. Axioms don't need proof, and the most fundamental axiom in all of
logic is that X is Y or X is not Y. Everything else is
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 12:05:27PM -0700, Chris de Morsella wrote:
John keeps insisting that X is Y or X is not Y. True, but so what? It does
not provide any great insight into how the brain works as a dynamic entity.
Basically based on reading his posts on the subject what I am stating is
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com wrote:
you cannot prove that things in the brain happen because of some
proximate definable and identifiable cause or otherwise they must therefore
result by a completely random process.
Bullshit. Axioms don't need proof, and the
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On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com wrote:
you
On 8/27/2013 3:55 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote:
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On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com
On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 6:24 PM, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.comwrote:
I say quite clearly that and I repeat -- I am not interested in nor do
I much care whether humans are superior or inferior to computers. Take me
at my word when I say I don’t really care one way or the other, that
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On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 6:24 PM, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com
wrote
On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 05:01:48PM -0700, Chris de Morsella wrote:
I don't see what the sense of self has to do with it...
Hi Russell ~ In the sense, that by having a sense of self we have
inescapably already separated our self from any possibility of seeing from
the perspective of a
On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 2:48 PM, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.comwrote:
All measurable processes – including information processing -- happen
over and require for their operations some physical substrate. My point,
which I believe either you may have missed or you are dodging is
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On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 2:48 PM, Chris de
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[mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Russell Standish
On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 05:01:48PM -0700, Chris de Morsella wrote:
I don't see what the sense of self has to do with it...
Hi Russell ~ In the sense,
2013/8/24 Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com
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*To:* everything-list@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: When will a computer
On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 11:34 PM, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.comwrote
The computer requires a substrate in which to operate upon -- the CPU
chips for example are what our computers operate on. I know of no computer
that does not require this external structured environment
The
2013/8/24 John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com
On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 11:34 PM, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com
wrote
The computer requires a substrate in which to operate upon -- the CPU
chips for example are what our computers operate on. I know of no computer
that does not require
On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 11:34 PM, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com
wrote
The computer requires a substrate in which to operate upon -- the CPU
chips for example are what our computers operate on. I know of no computer
that does not require this external structured environment
On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 08:34:02PM -0700, Chris de Morsella wrote:
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: Re: When will a computer pass the Turing Test?
On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 08:34:02PM -0700, Chris de Morsella wrote:
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To: everything-list
2013/8/23 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
On 8/21/2013 11:57 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
2013/8/22 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
On 8/21/2013 11:15 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
2013/8/22 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
On 8/21/2013 2:42 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
Ok, and I'm
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 4:28 PM, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.comwrote:
* If it's not random then it happened for a reason, and things happen
in a computer for a reason too.*
Sure, but the reason may not be amenable to being completely contained
within the confines of a
I AI the response is ever The next decade
2013/8/23 John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 4:28 PM, Chris de Morsella
cdemorse...@yahoo.comwrote:
* If it's not random then it happened for a reason, and things happen
in a computer for a reason too.*
Sure, but the
On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 7:03 AM, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote:
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 05:10:05PM +0100, Telmo Menezes wrote:
Bruno did not invent the term dovetailing nor is he the only person
to use it in computer science. A simple google search will show you
this. I know
be logically proved.
Cheers,
-Chris
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Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 10:48 AM
Subject: Re: When will a computer pass the Turing Test?
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 4:28 PM, Chris
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote:
Then there are only 2 possibilities:
1) The ultra computer that simulates our world changes from one state to
the
other for a reason; if so then our simulated computers which change from
one
state to the other for a
2013/8/23 John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote:
Then there are only 2 possibilities:
1) The ultra computer that simulates our world changes from one state to
the
other for a reason; if so then our simulated computers which change
On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.comwrote:
The computer requires a substrate in which to operate upon -- the CPU
chips for example are what our computers operate on. I know of no computer
that does not require this external structured environment
The
On 8/23/2013 11:05 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
I AI the response is ever The next decade
That's because as soon as a computer does what was formerly claimed to be possible only
for human intellect, e.g. beat a world chess champion, prove a new theorem in mathematics,
drive a car in
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Subject: Re: When will a computer pass the Turing Test?
On 8/23/2013 11:05 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
I AI the response is ever The next decade
That's because as soon
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Subject: Re: When will a computer pass the Turing Test?
On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Chris de
2013/8/22 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
On 8/21/2013 2:42 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
Ok, and I'm fascinated by the question of why we haven't found viable
algorithms in that class yet -- although we know has a fact that it
must exist, because our brains contain it.
We haven't proved our
On 8/21/2013 11:15 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
2013/8/22 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net
On 8/21/2013 2:42 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
Ok, and I'm fascinated by the question of why we haven't found viable
algorithms in that class yet -- although
2013/8/22 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
On 8/21/2013 11:15 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
2013/8/22 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
On 8/21/2013 2:42 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
Ok, and I'm fascinated by the question of why we haven't found viable
algorithms in that class yet -- although we
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 7:44 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 8/21/2013 11:15 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
2013/8/22 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
On 8/21/2013 2:42 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
Ok, and I'm fascinated by the question of why we haven't found viable
algorithms in
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