Re: How the STc principle (special relativity) puts both the arrow of time and a common present moment on a firm physical basis.

2013-12-26 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/12/26 LizR > On 26 December 2013 20:17, meekerdb wrote: > >> There are other viewpoints though. QM makes for some interesting >> questions about time as raised in this speculative paper by a couple of top >> experimentalists: >> >> >> http://a-c-elitzur.co.il/uploads/

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-24 Thread Quentin Anciaux
Vu Le 24 déc. 2013 19:44, "John Clark" a écrit : > > > > On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > >>>> >>> He did answer and did it correctly, >>> >>> >>> >> I somehow missed that post. What number

Re: God or not?

2013-12-24 Thread Quentin Anciaux
That makes it ill defined and useless... As reality is not well defined, so is god then... also, why use "god" instead of reality, the word reality is enough. Quentin 2013/12/24 Edgar L. Owen > Bruno, > > No faith is needed at all for a God defined as reality itself. It's simply > a definitio

Re: How the banks are stealing our wealth

2013-12-23 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/12/23 meekerdb > On 12/23/2013 12:46 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > > On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 2:12 PM, meekerdb wrote: > >> On 12/23/2013 9:07 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> Crypto-currencies, like cryptography, can surely help to save the freedom >> of privacy and privateness. >> >> Cryp

Re: Privacy

2013-12-23 Thread Quentin Anciaux
Vie privée", but "Intimité" is ok too... Quentin > JohnM > > > On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 4:40 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I would translate privacy in french by "Intimité" or "Vie privée". >> >> Regards, >&

Re: Privacy

2013-12-23 Thread Quentin Anciaux
Hi, I would translate privacy in french by "Intimité" or "Vie privée". Regards, Quentin 2013/12/23 John Mikes > List-Friends of diverse linguistic origins: is there in another language a > WORD meaning the same idiosyncrasy as what the USA " p r i v a c y " indeed > covers? I know of none in

Re: Posting problems

2013-12-23 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/12/23 Richard Ruquist > Quentin, > > Your 3dot method does not work for me. > Richard > > > On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 3:04 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > >> >> 2013/12/23 Richard Ruquist >> >>> I post and receive via google email. >&g

Re: Posting problems

2013-12-23 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/12/23 Richard Ruquist > Quentin, > > Your 3dot method does not work for me. > It works for everyone using gmail, just click on the dots... Quentin > Richard > > > On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 3:04 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > >> >> 2013/12/23 Richard

Re: Posting problems

2013-12-23 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/12/23 Richard Ruquist > I post and receive via google email. > My only complaint is that I cannot intersperse > in others posts as is the practice here. > You can, I'm using gmail for posting right now, just click on the three dots "..." when replying, that will display the entire post and

Re: God or not?

2013-12-23 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/12/23 meekerdb > On 12/23/2013 10:55 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > 2013/12/23 Edgar L. Owen > >> All, >> >> The question of whether God exists is meaningless without first giving >> some definition of what is meant by God, of how God is defined. Ot

Re: Posting problems

2013-12-23 Thread Quentin Anciaux
It's not a problem of signing up, it is a problem of using the correct SMTP server to send an email with your address in "from" header. You must use the SMTP server of att.net to send an email with a from address of "att.net ". Quentin 2013/12/23 Edgar L. Owen > I'm using my email edgaro...@at

Re: Posting problems

2013-12-23 Thread Quentin Anciaux
Or maybe your SMTP server that your email program is using is somehow rejected by googlegroups or by SPF... Do you correctly use the smtp server associated with your domain email (att.net) ? SPF http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sender_Policy_Framework can prevent email from being sent correctly if yo

Re: Posting problems

2013-12-23 Thread Quentin Anciaux
Hi, I'm using gmail and it works flawlessly. Just check when replying that the address is set to "everything-list@googlegroups.com" (it should normally default to that as the Reply-To header is set to that address). Regards, Quentin 2013/12/23 Edgar L. Owen > I've set option of getting all po

Re: God or not?

2013-12-23 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/12/23 Edgar L. Owen > All, > > The question of whether God exists is meaningless without first giving > some definition of what is meant by God, of how God is defined. Otherwise > everyone is talking about different things and nothing will go anywhere. > > If you need a God there is only one

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-23 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/12/23 John Clark > On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > He did answer and did it correctly, >> > > I somehow missed that post. What number did Bruno give? > Buy some pair of eyes and come back here. > > > Liar Clark is dodging

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-23 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/12/23 John Clark > > > > On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 11:30 AM, Bruno Marchal wrot > > >>> The question is ambiguous. >>> >> >> >> If the question is ambiguous it is because I used YOUR phrase " the >> first person experiences viewed from their first person points of view" ! >> If your phrase m

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-21 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/12/21 Quentin Anciaux > > > > 2013/12/21 John Clark > >> >> >> >> On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 4:46 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> That's a great answer but unfortunately it's NOT a answer to the question >>>> John Cla

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-21 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/12/21 John Clark > > > > On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 4:46 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > That's a great answer but unfortunately it's NOT a answer to the question >>> John Clark asked, the question never asked anything about "the 3p view", >>> it was never mentioned. So John Clark will repeat th

Re: How the banks are stealing our wealth

2013-12-18 Thread Quentin Anciaux
Le 18 déc. 2013 23:21, "LizR" a écrit : > > On 19 December 2013 10:44, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >> >> Le 18 déc. 2013 22:37, "Telmo Menezes" a écrit : >> >> > >> >> > This is often repeated but not true. The blockchain can b

Re: How the banks are stealing our wealth

2013-12-18 Thread Quentin Anciaux
Le 18 déc. 2013 22:37, "Telmo Menezes" a écrit : > > On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 10:09 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > > > > > 2013/12/18 LizR > >> > >> On 19 December 2013 08:01, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > >>> > >

Re: How the banks are stealing our wealth

2013-12-18 Thread Quentin Anciaux
Le 18 déc. 2013 22:31, "LizR" a écrit : > > On 19 December 2013 10:09, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >> >> 2013/12/18 LizR >>> >>> On 19 December 2013 08:01, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >>>> >>>> 2013/12/18 Bruno Marchal >>>&g

Re: How the banks are stealing our wealth

2013-12-18 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/12/18 LizR > On 19 December 2013 08:01, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > >> 2013/12/18 Bruno Marchal >> >>> On 18 Dec 2013, at 09:47, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >>> >>> Depends on the problem you're considering, I think it can lead to a >&

Re: How the banks are stealing our wealth

2013-12-18 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/12/18 Bruno Marchal > > On 18 Dec 2013, at 09:47, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > Depends on the problem you're considering, I think it can lead to a >> society with more individual freedoms, for example. >> > > I don't think it can... can you give a

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-18 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/12/18 John Clark > On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 4:00 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> >> Acording to Bruno Marchal's terminology "you" will see only one city >> and one city only; and "you" will see both Washington and Moscow; >> therefore Bruno Marchal's terminology is inconsistent in the one pe

Re: How the banks are stealing our wealth

2013-12-17 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/12/17 Telmo Menezes > On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 9:02 PM, meekerdb wrote: > > On 12/16/2013 12:53 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > >> > >> On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 5:59 AM, meekerdb wrote: > >>> > >>> On 12/15/2013 4:23 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 9

Re: The Yes-Doctor Experiment for real

2013-12-13 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/12/13 Stephen Paul King > Hi Bruno, > >Why does an entire universe need to be simulated? > It does not... it is an example showing that the substitution level could be arbitrarily low... anyway as I said some years ago, if the level is that low, I don't see how computationalism (the ide

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-12 Thread Quentin Anciaux
e 100 years after the first reconstruction occurs forbidding any meeting between both doppelganger... following bogus john clarck logic, that should restore probability as in MWI... right ? Quentin 2013/12/12 Quentin Anciaux > > > > 2013/12/11 John Clark > >> On Wed, Dec

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-12 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/12/11 John Clark > On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 5:40 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > We always feel that we are a single person >> > > Yes but the copy that walked out of the duplicating chamber with you (or > perhaps you are the copy and he is the original, no way to tell and no > reason to care)

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-12-10 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/12/10 meekerdb > On 12/10/2013 12:49 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 09 Dec 2013, at 23:28, meekerdb wrote: > > On 12/9/2013 12:06 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > > On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 12:57 PM, meekerdb wrote: > >> On 12/9/2013 12:44 AM, LizR wrote: >> >> On 9 December 2013 20:56,

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-08 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/12/8 John Clark > On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 12:53 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > >> > what you assert below is plain lies. While I can agree sometimes with >> things you say, I cannot let such obvious lies pass through. >> > But you've just let "such

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-08 Thread Quentin Anciaux
As I've shown numerous times now, what you assert below is plain lies. While I can agree sometimes with things you say, I cannot let such obvious lies pass through. Quentin Le 8 déc. 2013 17:24, "John Clark" a écrit : > > On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 3:51 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > Comp is the be

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-08 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/12/8 Bruno Marchal > > On 07 Dec 2013, at 20:05, meekerdb wrote: > > On 12/7/2013 12:59 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 06 Dec 2013, at 20:16, meekerdb wrote: > > On 12/6/2013 7:27 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Dec 5, 2013, at 12:15 PM, Quent

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-06 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/12/6 Platonist Guitar Cowboy > > > On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 7:15 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > >> >> >> >> 2013/12/5 Jason Resch >> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-06 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/12/6 Jason Resch > > > On Dec 5, 2013, at 12:15 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > > 2013/12/5 Jason Resch < jasonre...@gmail.com> > >> >> >> >> On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Quentin Anciaux < >> allco...@gmail.com&

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-06 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/12/6 Jason Resch > > > On Dec 5, 2013, at 12:13 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > > 2013/12/5 Jason Resch < jasonre...@gmail.com> > >> >> >> >> On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Quentin Anciaux < >> allco...@gmail.com&

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-06 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/12/6 Richard Ruquist > On 05 Dec 2013, at 21:56, Richard Ruquist wrote: > > Well John not you nor I are believers in QI > but there seem to be plenty on this list. > > > Bruno: Can you refute comp-I? > > I can't, even without the step 8. > > Richard: I do not have to since it is a matter of

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-06 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/12/6 Telmo Menezes > On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Quentin Anciaux > wrote: > > Science has no dogma, because everything can be discussed and > questionned... > > That is philosophy. Science is more narrow -- and it should be. > Science is empiricism. It is rest

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-06 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/12/6 Telmo Menezes > On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Quentin Anciaux > wrote: > > Science has no dogma, because everything can be discussed and > questionned... > > That is philosophy. Science is more narrow -- and it should be. > Science is empiricism. Empiricism

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-06 Thread Quentin Anciaux
Science comes from latin and means knowledge... if some wants to use science as a cover for something else, that doesn't redefine what it is... science is an attitude towards pursuit of knowledge... Quentin 2013/12/6 Alberto G. Corona > > > > 2013/12/6 Quentin Anciaux &g

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-06 Thread Quentin Anciaux
by > discrediting and prohibiting metaphysics and pulling philosophy out of the > sciences. > > > 2013/12/5 Quentin Anciaux > >> A religion is based on dogma, science is not, hence science is not a >> religion. >> >> >> >> 2013/12/5 Richard Ruquist >

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-06 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/12/6 Bruno Marchal > > On 05 Dec 2013, at 19:29, meekerdb wrote: > > On 12/5/2013 1:43 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 04 Dec 2013, at 13:13, Alberto G. Corona wrote: > > I repeat the cult of men to men is the most primitive and dangerous > religion. And RELIGION CAN NOT BE AVOIDED: you

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-06 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/12/6 Bruno Marchal > > On 05 Dec 2013, at 19:13, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > > 2013/12/5 Jason Resch > >> >> >> >> On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >> >>> A religion is based on dogma, science i

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-05 Thread Quentin Anciaux
arth) Quentin > -Original Message- > From: Quentin Anciaux > To: everything-list > Sent: Thu, Dec 5, 2013 2:23 pm > Subject: Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ? > > It isn't... QI is not worshipped, it is not a belief per se (you can > entertain the idea for an argum

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-12-05 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/12/5 meekerdb > On 12/5/2013 8:09 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > No, because there is no absolute measure to decrease to begin with. The > thing is, doing dangerous thing *increase* likeliness to experience being > crippled, that's what is more likely. > > > So

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-05 Thread Quentin Anciaux
m immortality is not religion. > BTW it is not dogma that I believe in. > Richard > > > On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 1:15 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > >> >> >> >> 2013/12/5 Jason Resch >> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Dec

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-05 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/12/5 Jason Resch > > > > On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > >> A religion is based on dogma, science is not, hence science is not a >> religion. >> >> >> > Some religions may be, that doesn't mean they all are, ho

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-05 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/12/5 Jason Resch > > > > On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > >> A religion is based on dogma, science is not, hence science is not a >> religion. >> >> >> > Some religions may be, that doesn't mean they all are

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-05 Thread Quentin Anciaux
A religion is based on dogma, science is not, hence science is not a religion. 2013/12/5 Richard Ruquist > I believe in science. > That is my religion. > > > On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 12:35 PM, John Clark wrote: > >> >> >> On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 7:13 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: >> >> > you can

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-12-05 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/12/5 Jason Resch > > > > On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 10:53 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > >> >> >> >> 2013/12/5 Jason Resch >> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >>> >

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-12-05 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/12/5 Jason Resch > > > > On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > >> >> >> >> 2013/12/5 Jason Resch >> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >>> >

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-12-05 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/12/5 Jason Resch > > > > On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > >> >> >> >> 2013/12/5 Jason Resch >> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 10:06 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >>> >

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-12-05 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/12/5 Jason Resch > > > > On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > >> >> >> >> 2013/12/5 Jason Resch >> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 4:15 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> >

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-12-05 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/12/5 Jason Resch > > > > On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 10:06 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > >> >> >> >> 2013/12/5 Jason Resch >> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 3:25 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >>> >

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-12-05 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/12/5 Jason Resch > > > > On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 4:15 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> >> On 05 Dec 2013, at 09:53, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 1:48 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >> >>> >>&

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-12-05 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/12/5 Jason Resch > > > > On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 3:25 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > >> >> >> >> 2013/12/5 Jason Resch >> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 1:48 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >>> >

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-12-05 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/12/5 LizR > On 5 December 2013 20:58, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > >> 2013/12/5 LizR >> >>> Well all the possibilities ever experienced by an human beings anywhere >>> in the multiverse add up to a vanishingly small measure compared to all the >>

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-12-05 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/12/5 Jason Resch > > > > On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 1:48 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > >> >> >> >> 2013/12/5 Jason Resch >> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 12:59 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >>> >&

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-12-04 Thread Quentin Anciaux
are of is always going to be infinitesimal from a > "God's eye perspective" - and 100% from our own. > As I said, only relative measure count... ASSA is useless and wrong. When I talk about low measure, I alway talk about relative measure from your current state. Quentin &

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-12-04 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/12/5 Jason Resch > > > > On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 12:59 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > >> Measure is relative, >> > > Yes, so your current measure of next finding yourself in a Drelb > continuation, is relatively low compared to the measure of you still be

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-12-04 Thread Quentin Anciaux
Measure is relative, it doesn't drop while you approach death. Probabilities add up to one... And by no cul de dac you should not count where you 're dead. Le 5 déc. 2013 03:44, "Jason Resch" a écrit : > > > > On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrot

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-12-04 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/12/4 Jason Resch > > > > On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 3:13 PM, meekerdb wrote: > >> On 12/4/2013 10:24 AM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 11:17 AM, wrote: >> >>> Theory? I am betting neither Clarke the writer, nor Shermer, the >>> Atheist, has put a lot of intellectual

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-12-02 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/12/2 Platonist Guitar Cowboy > > > > On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 8:03 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > >> >> >> >> 2013/12/2 Platonist Guitar Cowboy >> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 10:26 AM, Quentin Anciaux w

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-12-02 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/12/2 LizR > On 3 December 2013 09:40, meekerdb wrote: > >> On 12/2/2013 8:43 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> I'm sorry but we will have to agree we disagree on that. You're also >> misleading atheistic position, and you're wrongly attributing "belief" to >> atheist people (especially belg

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-12-02 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/12/2 Platonist Guitar Cowboy > > > > On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 10:26 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > >> >> >> >> 2013/12/2 Bruno Marchal >> >>> >>> On 01 Dec 2013, at 21:36, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >>> >>> >>&g

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-12-02 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/12/2 Bruno Marchal > > On 01 Dec 2013, at 21:36, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > > 2013/12/1 Bruno Marchal > >> >> If a machine equates God with "ultimate reality", >> > > I do not... I don't equate god with anything. > >

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-12-01 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/12/1 Bruno Marchal > > On 01 Dec 2013, at 12:32, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > > 2013/12/1 Bruno Marchal > >> >> On 01 Dec 2013, at 09:51, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >> >> >> >> >> 2013/12/1 Bruno Marchal >> >>>

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-12-01 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/12/1 Bruno Marchal > > On 01 Dec 2013, at 09:51, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > > 2013/12/1 Bruno Marchal > >> >> On 30 Nov 2013, at 22:37, meekerdb wrote: >> >> >>>>>>> I can conceive of (with apologies to H. L. Me

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-12-01 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/12/1 Bruno Marchal > > On 01 Dec 2013, at 08:45, Samiya Illias wrote: > > We exist, >> > > OK. > > > > then why should we reject the idea of having been created, >> > > > Or of having a non physical origin. "creation" involves the idea of > someone doing something with something, and so th

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-12-01 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/12/1 Bruno Marchal > > On 30 Nov 2013, at 23:33, meekerdb wrote: > > On 11/30/2013 10:03 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> Brent, >>> >>> I hope you don't mind I re-answer this. >>> >>> >>> On 28 Nov 2013, at 21:19, meekerdb wrote: >>> >>> I can conceive of (with apologies to H. L.

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-12-01 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/12/1 Bruno Marchal > > On 30 Nov 2013, at 22:37, meekerdb wrote: > > >> I can conceive of (with apologies to H. L. Mencken), Agdistis or >> Angdistis, Ah Puch, Ahura Mazda, Alberich, Allah, Amaterasu, An, Anansi, >> Anat, Andvari, Anshar, Anu, Aphrodite, Apollo, Apsu, Ares, Artem

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-12-01 Thread Quentin Anciaux
That's you who said atheist must be deaf because they don't hear what's screaming in their mind, if it's not a "superiority mode", don't know what is... anyway, I'll stop here, it's useless. Quentin > > > 2013/12/1 Quentin Anciaux > >>

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-12-01 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/12/1 Alberto G. Corona > If what I said were absurd you would have not responded so quickly and so > seriously. > Sorry if I offended your faith. That was an experiment. > > Oh easy to do that, the first to say is... childish. > > > > 2013/12/1 Quentin Ancia

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-12-01 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/12/1 Alberto G. Corona > As I said to Telmo talking about sacrifices somewhere above, individual > sacrifices are the only way to create trust among non cloning entities. > And what higher sacrifice than to negate'what is screaming in his mind, in > the universe and in everithing? That is t

Re: Why consciousness is not possible in materialism

2013-12-01 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/12/1 meekerdb > On 11/30/2013 7:36 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > > On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 4:40 PM, meekerdb wrote: > >> On 11/30/2013 4:06 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> In fact, materialism cannot explain matter, either. Worst, it avoids >> trying to explain it at the start. >> >>

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-12-01 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/12/1 Samiya Illias > We exist, then why should we reject the idea of having been created, just > because we are unable to comprehend or define our Creator? Is that not > intellectual dishonesty? > Why should we have been created in the first place by an intentional act of an uncreated perso

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-11-29 Thread Quentin Anciaux
d say... nawak ! Quentin > > Samiya > > > On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > >> >> >> >> 2013/11/29 Samiya Illias >> >>> Simple? It takes intelligence and knowledge to write computer program, >>> build a

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-11-29 Thread Quentin Anciaux
s clear to them that this is the Truth. Is it not enough that your > Lord is the witness of all things? [Quran 41:53] > > We created human from a mingled drop to test him, and We made him hearing > and seeing. (Qur'an 76:2) > > Regards, > Samiya > > > > &g

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-11-29 Thread Quentin Anciaux
; > Samiya > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 29-Nov-2013, at 12:32 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > > 2013/11/29 Samiya Illias > >> I understand that so many deities and faith-systems and all the myths and >> fantasies in them easily put off any thi

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-11-28 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/11/29 Samiya Illias > I understand that so many deities and faith-systems and all the myths and > fantasies in them easily put off any thinking mind. Yet, the more we > discover, the closer we get to theorizing about everything, the more > difficult it is to believe that everything just happ

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-11-28 Thread Quentin Anciaux
ith consequences... > eternal consequences! > Well if you want... but let me appreciate it for the BS it is... thanks. Quentin > > Samiya > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 28-Nov-2013, at 8:42 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > Because we are not all loving, omnipot

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-11-28 Thread Quentin Anciaux
potent, omniscient beings and we can *do* evil. If such being(s) existed, it would not allow that, but there is evil... Quentin > Samiya > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 28-Nov-2013, at 8:18 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > if there was an all loving god, it wouldn&#x

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-11-28 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/11/28 Samiya Illias > Bruno wrote: 'I was of course alluding to the greek (neo)platonists. They > did invented the God used by both the abramanic cultures (even if terribly > deformed, notably by the abandon of science about it, and the use of > authoritative arguments, by Christians, Muslim

Re: Is Roger Clough an effect of global warming?

2013-11-26 Thread Quentin Anciaux
No, you just have to filter him. If you use gmail, just add a filter to send that to the trash or tag it. You can add filter with almost all email reader programs. Quentin 2013/11/26 Gabriel Bodeen > Is there another version of this list anywhere with a lower density of > Cloughisms? > > > On

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-19 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/11/20 Telmo Menezes > On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Quentin Anciaux > wrote: > > > > > > > > 2013/11/19 Telmo Menezes > >> > >> On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 8:18 PM, Quentin Anciaux > >> wrote: > >> > > >> >

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-19 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/11/19 Telmo Menezes > On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 8:18 PM, Quentin Anciaux > wrote: > > > > > > > > 2013/11/18 meekerdb > >> > >> On 11/18/2013 4:43 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > >>> > >>> On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 11:23 P

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-18 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/11/18 meekerdb > On 11/18/2013 4:43 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > >> On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 11:23 PM, meekerdb wrote: >> >>> On 11/17/2013 4:25 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >>> On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 8:41 AM, meekerdb wrote: > On 11/16/2013 11:36 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > >>>

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

2013-11-12 Thread Quentin Anciaux
Le 12 nov. 2013 22:53, "meekerdb" a écrit : > > On 11/12/2013 1:37 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >> >> >> >> >> 2013/11/12 meekerdb >>> >>> On 11/12/2013 1:02 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >>>> >>>> >&

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

2013-11-12 Thread Quentin Anciaux
is true. Quentin > > On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 4:57 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > >> >> >> >> 2013/11/12 meekerdb >> >>> On 11/12/2013 1:37 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> 2013/11/12 meeke

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

2013-11-12 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/11/13 Quentin Anciaux > > > > 2013/11/12 meekerdb > >> On 11/12/2013 1:57 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >> >> So *you* Quentin Anciaux (incidentally, how do pronounce that?) don't >>> necessarily continue. It is just that there is a co

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

2013-11-12 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/11/12 meekerdb > On 11/12/2013 1:57 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > So *you* Quentin Anciaux (incidentally, how do pronounce that?) don't >> necessarily continue. It is just that there is a continuation of 1p POVs. >> So we're down to the question of what

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

2013-11-12 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/11/12 meekerdb > On 11/12/2013 1:37 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > > 2013/11/12 meekerdb > >> On 11/12/2013 1:02 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >> >> >> >> >> 2013/11/12 meekerdb >> >>> On 11/12/2013 12:45 PM, Quen

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

2013-11-12 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/11/12 meekerdb > On 11/12/2013 1:02 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > > 2013/11/12 meekerdb > >> On 11/12/2013 12:45 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >> >> >> >> >> 2013/11/12 meekerdb >> >>> On 11/12/2013 12:23 PM, Qu

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

2013-11-12 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/11/12 meekerdb > On 11/12/2013 12:45 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > > 2013/11/12 meekerdb > >> On 11/12/2013 12:23 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >> >> This is ASSA, and I find that absurd, there is no absolute probability of >> being aliv

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

2013-11-12 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/11/12 meekerdb > On 11/12/2013 12:23 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > This is ASSA, and I find that absurd, there is no absolute probability of > being alive, probability is only meaningful between two moments... > > > But there's a probability of being alive at tim

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

2013-11-12 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/11/12 meekerdb > On 11/12/2013 12:23 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > This is ASSA, and I find that absurd, there is no absolute probability of > being alive, probability is only meaningful between two moments... > > > But there's a probability of being alive at tim

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

2013-11-12 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/11/12 meekerdb > On 11/12/2013 11:30 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > > 2013/11/12 meekerdb > >> On 11/12/2013 11:15 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >> >> >> >> >> 2013/11/12 meekerdb >> >>> On 11/12/2013

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

2013-11-12 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/11/12 meekerdb > On 11/12/2013 11:15 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > > 2013/11/12 meekerdb > >> On 11/12/2013 10:24 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >> >> >> >> >> 2013/11/12 meekerdb >> >>> On 11/12/2013 7:19 AM

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

2013-11-12 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/11/12 meekerdb > On 11/12/2013 10:24 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > > 2013/11/12 meekerdb > >> On 11/12/2013 7:19 AM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 7:14 PM, meekerdb wrote: >> >>> >

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

2013-11-12 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/11/12 meekerdb > On 11/12/2013 7:19 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > > On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 7:14 PM, meekerdb wrote: > >> >> Benjamin Button lived his life in reverse. >> >> So I'll ask you the same thing I asked Quentin, what's you inference from >> the fact you, and every body you've e

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

2013-11-11 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/11/11 meekerdb > On 11/11/2013 11:21 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > You find you every day, according to you, every day should not happen, > only being 10¹⁰⁰ is likely, it's just > non-sense, your life is not random sampled, yesterday happe

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