Dear Bruno,
Have you seen how Tim Maudlin is now a vigorous proponent of the
existence of Time as Fundamental? Could subsets of your UD be the Stone
dual of a line, as Maudlin defines them?
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On 2/22/2013 12:10 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 22 Feb 2013, at 11:55, Richard Ruquist wrote:
Do you get separate universes from comp alone?
We get many separate dreams. It is an open question if some
collections of sharable dreams define an unique complete physical
reality.
Hi,
If
On 2/20/2013 1:08 AM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 7:22 PM, Stephen P. King
stephe...@charter.net mailto:stephe...@charter.net wrote:
On 2/19/2013 8:08 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 7:00 PM, Stephen P. King
stephe...@charter.net mailto:stephe
On 2/19/2013 12:05 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Tuesday, February 19, 2013 10:39:14 AM UTC-5, John Clark wrote:
On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com
javascript: wrote:
I would assume that geometric truths don't contradict
arithmetic truths.
On 2/19/2013 12:26 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, February 19, 2013 9:02:36 AM UTC-5, telmo_menezes wrote:
On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Monday, February 18,
On 2/19/2013 12:26 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 4:58 AM, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com
mailto:yann...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 2:03 AM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com
mailto:jasonre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at
On 2/19/2013 11:16 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 2/19/2013 5:22 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
Hi Jason,
It seems to me that the demi-gods would not be motivated to have
Platonist-like ontologies. As I see things, only we of finite
resources concoct such Platonist theories to give ourselves
On 2/19/2013 11:34 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Tuesday, February 19, 2013 7:58:15 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote:
On 2/19/2013 12:26 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Craig Weinberg
whats...@gmail.com javascript: wrote:
On Tuesday, February
On 2/18/2013 2:54 PM, John Mikes wrote:
Terren, (without taking the connotation seriously)
*/... if God did not have a sense of humor, could we exist?... /*
does that mean: we are just a joke?
JM
Who would be the one to laugh?
On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 2:47 PM, Terren Suydam
On 2/18/2013 9:30 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
http://www.technologyreview.com/view/511421/the-brain-is-not-computable/
There is no argument presented in this article. The stock market and
brain and indeed most natural systems are chaotic, but that is not the
same as being not
On 2/17/2013 7:17 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 11:44 PM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net wrote:
Umm, are you OK with anthropomorphication... ? Let me ask a different
question: In your opinion, does the universe 'out there' have to have
properties that match
On 2/17/2013 9:41 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 12 Feb 2013, at 03:22, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 2/4/2013 11:57 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 01 Feb 2013, at 20:25, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 2/1/2013 5:20 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 11:38 PM, Stephen P. King
stephe
On 2/17/2013 10:56 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Yes. Euler identity is wonderful.
It amazes me also that it makes the square of any complex number into
a (non normalized) gaussian:
(e^ix)^2 = e^(-x^2)
I love also Euler even deeper identity relating the square of the
integers and the prime
On 2/17/2013 1:10 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 2/17/2013 4:17 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 11:44 PM, Stephen P.
Kingstephe...@charter.net wrote:
Umm, are you OK with anthropomorphication... ? Let me ask a
different
question: In your opinion, does the universe 'out
On 2/16/2013 2:17 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Friday, February 15, 2013 7:23:28 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote:
On 2/15/2013 4:07 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Wednesday, February 13, 2013 11:01:30 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul
King wrote:
On 2/13/2013 9:41 PM, Craig
On 2/15/2013 6:26 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 3:03 PM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net wrote:
I meant if the table talks to you just like a person does, giving you
consistently interesting conversation and useful advice on a wide
variety of subjects. Unless
On 2/15/2013 11:12 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 14 Feb 2013, at 22:00, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 2/14/2013 11:20 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 13 Feb 2013, at 23:37, Stephen P. King wrote, to Craig Weinberg
Baudrillard is not talking about consciousness in particular, only
the sum
On 2/15/2013 4:07 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Wednesday, February 13, 2013 11:01:30 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King
wrote:
On 2/13/2013 9:41 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Wednesday, February 13, 2013 5:37:08 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul
King wrote:
On 2/13/2013 5:21 PM, Craig
On 2/14/2013 10:40 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 13 Feb 2013, at 23:08, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 2/13/2013 2:46 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 2/13/2013 8:04 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 13 Feb 2013, at 03:03, meekerdb wrote:
On 2/12/2013 5:28 PM, Russell Standish wrote:
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013
On 2/14/2013 10:49 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 13 Feb 2013, at 23:51, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 2/13/2013 5:40 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
[SPK wrote} What difference that makes a difference does that
make in the grand scheme of things? The point is that we cannot
'prove' that we
On 2/14/2013 11:20 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 13 Feb 2013, at 23:37, Stephen P. King wrote, to Craig Weinberg
Baudrillard is not talking about consciousness in particular, only
the sum of whatever is in the original which is not accessible in
the copy. His phrase 'profound reality' is apt
On 2/14/2013 5:45 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Wednesday, February 13, 2013 10:46:26 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King
wrote:
On 2/13/2013 8:09 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
[SPK wrote: ]I like the idea of a Matrix universe exactly for
that reason; it takes resources to 'run'
On 2/14/2013 6:08 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
I don't think there are any models or systems at all. Not physically.
There are only presentations and re-presentations. Habits and inertia.
I agree, they cannot be physical at all, they are representations
not things-in-themselves (objects).
On 2/14/2013 6:45 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 1:08 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
I think you're conflating intelligence with consciousness.
Funny, someone else accused me of the same thing already today:
You've conflating 'real intelligence' with
On 2/14/2013 9:43 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Thursday, February 14, 2013 6:52:21 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote:
On 2/14/2013 6:08 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
I don't think there are any models or systems at all. Not
physically.
There are only presentations and
On 2/14/2013 11:34 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Thursday, February 14, 2013 11:17:08 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King
wrote:
On 2/14/2013 9:43 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Thursday, February 14, 2013 6:52:21 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul
King wrote:
On 2/14/2013 6:08 PM, Craig
On 2/15/2013 12:05 AM, freqflyer07281972 wrote:
Sure, but they are ontological conjugates, i.e. you can be chosen
locally without having the ability to make choices yourself
(theoretically anyways), but you can't be chosen without the
presence of some choosing agency in the
On 2/15/2013 12:23 AM, John Clark wrote:
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com
mailto:whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
* *Wouldn’t Simulated Intelligence be a more appropriate term
than Artificial Intelligence?
Yes that euphemism could have advantages, it might make
On 2/15/2013 12:38 AM, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 2/15/2013 12:05 AM, freqflyer07281972 wrote:
Sure, but they are ontological conjugates, i.e. you can be chosen
locally without having the ability to make choices yourself
(theoretically anyways), but you can't be chosen without
On 2/13/2013 10:26 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 13 Feb 2013, at 06:45, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Tuesday, February 12, 2013 10:09:40 PM UTC-5, stathisp wrote:
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 12:24 PM, Craig Weinberg
whats...@gmail.com javascript: wrote:
1. Do you consider yourself to
On 2/13/2013 2:36 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 2/13/2013 7:26 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Experiences cannot be duplicated literally, because I suspect that
unique is the only thing that experiences can literally be.
I agree with this, in the sense that this follows also from
computationalism, and
On 2/13/2013 2:46 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 2/13/2013 8:04 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 13 Feb 2013, at 03:03, meekerdb wrote:
On 2/12/2013 5:28 PM, Russell Standish wrote:
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 11:05:37AM -0800, Craig Weinberg wrote:
When we talk about a Bp, relating to consciousness is that
On 2/13/2013 2:58 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 2/13/2013 8:35 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
*Wouldn’t Simulated Intelligence be a more appropriate term than
Artificial Intelligence?*
Thinking of it objectively, if we have a program which can model a
hurricane, we would call that hurricane a
On 2/13/2013 5:40 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
[SPK wrote} What difference that makes a difference does that make
in the grand scheme of things? The point is that we cannot 'prove'
that we are not in a gigantic simulation. Yeah, we cannot prove a
negative, but we can extract a lot
On 2/13/2013 5:21 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Wednesday, February 13, 2013 2:58:28 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote:
On 2/13/2013 8:35 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
*Wouldn�t Simulated Intelligence be a more appropriate term
than Artificial Intelligence?*
Thinking of it objectively, if we
On 2/13/2013 5:40 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
[SPK wrote: ]'reality = best possible simulation.
I just realized how to translate that into my view: Reality = making
the most sense possible. Same thing really. That's why I talk about
multisense Realism, with Realism being the quality of
On 2/13/2013 8:09 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
[SPK wrote: ]I like the idea of a Matrix universe exactly for that
reason; it takes resources to 'run' it. No free lunch, even for
universes!!!
You can still have the idea of resources if the universe isn't a
simulation though. No
On 2/13/2013 9:41 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Wednesday, February 13, 2013 5:37:08 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King
wrote:
On 2/13/2013 5:21 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Wednesday, February 13, 2013 2:58:28 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote:
On 2/13/2013 8:35 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On 2/11/2013 10:23 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 10 Feb 2013, at 20:36, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Sunday, February 10, 2013 11:16:31 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 09 Feb 2013, at 22:07, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Saturday, February 9, 2013 3:32:52 PM UTC-5, Simon Forman wrote:
But then
On 2/4/2013 11:57 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 01 Feb 2013, at 20:25, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 2/1/2013 5:20 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 11:38 PM, Stephen P. King
stephe...@charter.net mailto:stephe...@charter.net wrote:
On 1/31/2013 4:46 PM, Telmo Menezes
On 2/7/2013 7:04 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 1:02 AM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net wrote:
Hi Stathis,
The simulation of our 'self' that our brain generates *is* good enough
to fool oneself! I speculate that schizophrenia and autism are caused
On 2/7/2013 9:42 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Thursday, February 7, 2013 8:50:09 PM UTC-5, stathisp wrote:
On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 11:52 AM, Craig Weinberg
whats...@gmail.com javascript: wrote:
You're avoiding the question. What is your definitive test for
consciousness? If
exists because everything cannot happen simultaneously'.
On 06/02/2013, at 11:48 AM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net
mailto:stephe...@charter.net wrote:
On 2/5/2013 3:27 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
2013/2/5 Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net
mailto:stephe...@charter.net
On 2/6/2013 4:22 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
2013/2/6 Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net
mailto:stephe...@charter.net
On 2/5/2013 3:27 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
2013/2/5 Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net
mailto:stephe...@charter.net
Hi,
ISTM
On 2/6/2013 7:18 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 3:22 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
You're saying that a robot behaving like a human may fool you, but how do
you know that your apparently fellow humans are not robots?
Because I live in 2013 AD, where I
Hi,
ISTM that purpose is a 1p, so to ask the question in a 3p sense is
to make it meaningless.
On 2/5/2013 6:23 AM, Russell Standish wrote:
Only in the same sense that evolution is teleological, ie not really.
Cheers
On Tue, Feb 05, 2013 at 06:59:01PM +1100, Kim Jones wrote:
So does
On 2/5/2013 7:47 AM, Richard Ruquist wrote:
On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 7:32 AM, Bruno Marchalmarc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
Hi Roger,
On 04 Feb 2013, at 16:43, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Brunio,
I agree with Craig. And I've never understood how there can be any
consequence of an emulation,
or how it can
On 2/5/2013 12:41 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Tuesday, February 5, 2013 7:53:22 AM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote:
Hi,
ISTM that purpose is a 1p, so to ask the question in a 3p
sense is
to make it meaningless.
Yeah, I don't see how noting that the 3p mechanism of
On 2/5/2013 3:27 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
2013/2/5 Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net
mailto:stephe...@charter.net
Hi,
ISTM that purpose is a 1p, so to ask the question in a 3p
sense is to make it meaningless.
That´s it.
But to insist into make the question
On 2/4/2013 10:22 AM, socra...@bezeqint.net wrote:
Brain – Consciousness , Consciousness – Brain.
=.
Is consciousness a result of evolution or it is its fuel ?
#
‘ Contrary to what everyone knows it is so, it may
not be the brain that produce consciousness, but rather
consciousness that
On 2/2/2013 9:13 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Saturday, February 2, 2013 8:55:18 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote:
Hi Stephen,
A state with more than one governor is perhaps best described
as a civil war. And you can only have one pilot on a boat.
In short, any living entity can only
On 2/2/2013 6:19 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 2:13 AM, Stephen P. King
stephe...@charter.net mailto:stephe...@charter.net wrote:
On 1/27/2013 6:54 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 12:40 AM, Stephen P. King
stephe...@charter.net
On 2/1/2013 5:20 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 11:38 PM, Stephen P. King
stephe...@charter.net mailto:stephe...@charter.net wrote:
On 1/31/2013 4:46 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
What's an entity?
Any system whose canonical description can be associated
On 2/1/2013 8:07 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Friday, February 1, 2013 12:12:17 AM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote:
On 1/31/2013 6:12 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Thursday, January 31, 2013 5:38:28 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King
wrote:
On 1/31/2013 4:46 PM, Telmo Menezes
On 2/1/2013 3:52 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Friday, February 1, 2013 2:29:21 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote:
On 2/1/2013 8:07 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Friday, February 1, 2013 12:12:17 AM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King
wrote:
On 1/31/2013 6:12 PM, Craig Weinberg
at the same level as the individual. Look at the often quoted example of
a BEC. In such, the aggregate becomes one entity, a new individual and
the previous individual (from the point of view of behaviors) vanishes.
On 1/31/2013 8:05 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Stephen P. King
IMHO morals imply
, Roger Clough
rclo...@verizon.net mailto:rclo...@verizon.net wrote:
Hi Stephen P. King
�
It's easier to believe in salvation through faith or UFOs than
infinite universes.
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On 1/31/2013 12:53 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Thursday, January 31, 2013 8:05:00 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote:
Hi Stephen P. King
IMHO morals imply that you have somebody looking over your shoulder.
So they are collective.
Interesting. In a sense I agree, but I also agree
On 1/31/2013 4:46 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
What's an entity?
Any system whose canonical description can be associated with some
kind of fixed point theorem.
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 7:10 PM, Stephen P. King
stephe...@charter.net mailto:stephe...@charter.net wrote:
IMHO more
On 1/31/2013 6:12 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Thursday, January 31, 2013 5:38:28 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote:
On 1/31/2013 4:46 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
What's an entity?
Any system whose canonical description can be associated with
some kind of fixed point
what is inside of what
In fact, the opposite is true: science is a particular research
program within philosophy — what was formerly called natural
philosophy or experimental philosophy, or what we today would call
methodological naturalism
2013/1/30 Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net
On 1/30/2013 12:41 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Wednesday, January 30, 2013 11:09:49 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote:
What is the least powerful means of controlling gun violence ?
By legal means, as if guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.
Just like if you outlaw biological
On 1/30/2013 1:03 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Wednesday, January 30, 2013 6:26:51 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote:
Hi John Mikes
That's the argument of the Far Left, that miltary strength
induces our enemies to attack us, so we should cut back on
defense spending. And any defensive
On 1/30/2013 2:15 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Wednesday, January 30, 2013 1:44:45 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote:
On 1/30/2013 12:41 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Wednesday, January 30, 2013 11:09:49 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote:
What is the least powerful means of
On 1/29/2013 8:37 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 27 Jan 2013, at 07:09, meekerdb wrote:
On 1/26/2013 9:53 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
I think what you are describing comes automatically with comp, as
any observer only knows their direct observations, which could be
created by any one of an infinite
On 1/29/2013 8:49 AM, Richard Ruquist wrote:
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 2:33 AM, socra...@bezeqint.net
socra...@bezeqint.net wrote:
.Everybody creates his God according to his own image and spirit
If triangles made a God they would give him three sides
/ Charles de Montesquieu . Persian Letters,
On 1/29/2013 9:04 AM, Richard Ruquist wrote:
A block universe does not allow for consciousness.
Indeed! How is it even possible for any part of the block to have
anything like something that is it is like to be conscious of some
other portion of the block?
The fact the we all possess
On 1/29/2013 9:24 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 27 Jan 2013, at 18:27, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 1/27/2013 7:19 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
The big bang remains awkward with computationalism. It suggest a
long and deep computations is going through our state, but comp
suggest that the big bang
http://vimeo.com/51920182
Comments?
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On 1/29/2013 4:19 PM, Russell Standish wrote:
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 03:46:18PM -0500, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 1/29/2013 9:04 AM, Richard Ruquist wrote:
A block universe does not allow for consciousness.
Indeed! How is it even possible for any part of the block to
have anything like
On 1/29/2013 11:13 PM, Kim Jones wrote:
This is a pretty well-worn, oft-used, school prayer. Given it is recited or
sung by the entire student body and staff at a good many schools and other
institutions you would have to assume that it's all fundamentally good stuff.
Teach us, good Lord,
, Omnipresent and Omnipotent Kim, this is a bad straw
man... why are you writing it?
On 30/01/2013, at 4:01 PM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net wrote:
On 1/29/2013 11:13 PM, Kim Jones wrote:
This is a pretty well-worn, oft-used, school prayer. Given it is recited or
sung
Hi,
I think this paper might be fodder for a nice discussion!
http://arxiv.org/abs/1301.5295
About the Infinite Repetition of Histories in Space
Francisco José Soler Gil
http://arxiv.org/find/physics/1/au:+Gil_F/0/1/0/all/0/1,Manuel
Alfonseca
On 1/28/2013 4:22 PM, meekerdb wrote:
Hi,
I think this paper might be fodder for a nice discussion!
http://arxiv.org/abs/1301.5295
About the Infinite Repetition of Histories in Space
Francisco José Soler Gil
http://arxiv.org/find/physics/1/au:+Gil_F/0/1/0/all/0/1,Manuel
Alfonseca
On 1/27/2013 7:19 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
The big bang remains awkward with computationalism. It suggest a long
and deep computations is going through our state, but comp suggest
that the big bang is not the beginning.
Dear Bruno,
I think that comp plus some finite limit on resources =
On 1/27/2013 10:15 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Sunday, January 27, 2013 6:20:45 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote:
Opression ? Consider socialism.
Like Scandinavian-style socialism? Sounds pretty good to me. If I
could get a job in Sweden or Norway I would love to do that.
Craig
Dear John,
Hear Hear emotions are biases that are imposed on senses, ISTM.
On 1/27/2013 12:09 PM, John Mikes wrote:
Dear Bruno, a brilliant statement.
I use the more polite word *'agnosticism'* for /'ignorance'/.
In our 'absence of knowledge' (how 'bout that?) we try hard to develop
On 1/27/2013 2:14 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Sunday, January 27, 2013 12:34:37 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote:
What I really what to know is: what motivates the need to find
oppression?
What motivates the need to deny oppression?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oppression
On 1/27/2013 4:39 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Sunday, January 27, 2013 2:51:04 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote:
On 1/27/2013 2:14 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Sunday, January 27, 2013 12:34:37 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King
wrote:
What I really what to know is:
On 1/27/2013 6:07 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
Dear Bruno and Stephen,
On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 6:27 PM, Stephen P. King
stephe...@charter.net mailto:stephe...@charter.net wrote:
On 1/27/2013 7:19 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
The big bang remains awkward with computationalism
On 1/27/2013 6:54 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 12:40 AM, Stephen P. King
stephe...@charter.net mailto:stephe...@charter.net wrote:
On 1/27/2013 6:07 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
Dear Bruno and Stephen,
On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 6:27 PM, Stephen P. King
On 1/26/2013 11:45 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Saturday, January 26, 2013 11:36:45 AM UTC-5, JohnM wrote:
Craig, I read many of your posts, none was so pessimistic so far.
Ah, maybe I was being more sarcastic than the internet allows. I was
intending to mock those ideas by quoting
On 1/26/2013 12:13 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Saturday, January 26, 2013 11:55:22 AM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote:
On 1/26/2013 11:45 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Saturday, January 26, 2013 11:36:45 AM UTC-5, JohnM wrote:
Craig, I read many of your posts, none was so
On 1/26/2013 1:06 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Saturday, January 26, 2013 12:28:01 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote:
On 1/26/2013 12:13 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Saturday, January 26, 2013 11:55:22 AM UTC-5, Stephen Paul
King wrote:
On 1/26/2013 11:45 AM, Craig
On 1/26/2013 9:52 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
If you are born in bondage to a powerful social system, how are you
going to defend yourself? It's not even about defense, it's about an
economic control. If the only way to make enough money to avoid being
in perpetual debt is to already be wealthy,
On 1/27/2013 12:39 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Saturday, January 26, 2013 11:15:54 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote:
On 1/26/2013 9:52 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
If you are born in bondage to a powerful social system, how are you
going to defend yourself? It's not even about
Dear Bruno,
Have you seen this? What implications does it have?
http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1301/1301.5340.pdf
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On 1/25/2013 9:54 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote:
Search on this list turned up no results and I don't usually pick up
this sort of thing so:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperloop
If anybody could offer juicier links without the media speculation,
I'd be interested in the tech.
PGC
On 1/24/2013 11:59 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Thursday, January 24, 2013 11:08:14 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote:
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com
javascript: wrote:
evolution is complex and counter-intuitive.
The basic idea behind Evolution is not
would add that just be cause our language paints a particular
picture in our minds, there need not be anything like such 'outside of
us'. How fast we forget the lesson we can can find in Descartes
/Meditations/...
On 1/23/2013 5:18 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Stephen P. King
Agreed, the constant
On 1/23/2013 6:03 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Stephen,
Numbers do have an independent existence, that
being nonphysical existence.
Hi Roger,
I agree but only because I see existence as mere a priori necessary
possibility; not contingent upon perception at all...
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Onward!
Stephen
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On 1/22/2013 7:22 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Craig Weinberg
If you knew more about the history of philsophy,
you'd know that Berkeley finally had to admit that the world out
there is real prior to our individual observation because
it is all observed by God.
Hi Roger,
This is a good
On 1/22/2013 10:41 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 21 Jan 2013, at 20:05, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 1/21/2013 8:30 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
If you don't take arithmetic as primitive, I can prove that you
cannot derive both addition and multiplication, nor the existence of
computer
On 1/22/2013 3:34 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Tuesday, January 22, 2013 12:44:41 PM UTC-5, yanniru wrote:
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Bruno Marchal mar...@ulb.ac.be
javascript: wrote:
You seem to not having yet realize that with comp, not only
materialism is
On 1/21/2013 8:30 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
If you don't take arithmetic as primitive, I can prove that you cannot
derive both addition and multiplication, nor the existence of
computer. Then everything around me does not make sense. If you
believe you can derive them, then do it. But you
On 1/21/2013 9:19 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Craig Weinberg
But nothing would exist for a blind man,
since he can see nothing.
Dear Roger,
Why are you hung up on vision? I think that Craig is including all
possible senses.
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Onward!
Stephen
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On 1/21/2013 2:45 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
I mean if we wanted to get technical I would split the physics of
counting into the private motive experience quantitative reasoning
from the sensory experiences of figures or forms upon which we project
our representations, but yeah numbers need a
On 1/21/2013 4:59 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 1/21/2013 11:05 AM, Stephen P. King wrote:
Materialism fails since it cannot explain how it is possible for
material things to have representations of things, intensionality,
such as numbers.
That's something evolution explains.
Brent
Hi Brent
On 1/21/2013 9:32 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 20 Jan 2013, at 18:34, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 1/20/2013 7:53 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 19 Jan 2013, at 00:15, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 1/18/2013 1:08 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 17 Jan 2013, at 19:05, Stephen P. King wrote:
Dear
On 1/20/2013 7:53 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 19 Jan 2013, at 00:15, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 1/18/2013 1:08 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 17 Jan 2013, at 19:05, Stephen P. King wrote:
Dear Bruno,
I am discussing ontology, there is no such a process as Turing or
'realities' or objects
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