Re: [Felvtalk] My baby recently diagnosed with FeLV
Amani, Could you please give the dosages used for Zander's Protocol? I know they must have been previously given, but I cannot seem to find them. Thanks, Gary On 9/16/2016 8:52 AM, Amani Oakley wrote: Hi Sherri I hope you got some good news today. However, as you know, my experience is that the Winstrol needs to be used long term before the red cells are back into the normal range. I continue to recommend use of the Doxycyline to interfere with viral RNA synthesis. The Winstrol does not attack the virus, though I believe it makes the cat stronger overall and able to fight back. But at the outset of the treatment regime, I believe you must have the Doxycycline on board to try and reduce the viral load, or at least, keep it from rising. Amani --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids
I don't remember offhand, it was over a year ago, but I think I may have gotten the link from the files at the FCRF yahoo group they have to give fluids all the time so some good advice and links on there. you can google it and check prices, you may need a script for the fluids as they want to make sure you are getting the right type of fluid. I always use lactated ringers. Gary -- From: Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2012 12:41 AM To: Cc: "gary" Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids Gary, you say you get fluids, etc from a medical supply house. May I ask their name or will just any supply house do? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids
I wouldn't use one that small except on a very small kitten and then I usually take the fluid into a syringe and give it to them. One trick I learned from a vet tech and forgot to mention before. When the fluid is starting to build up to a lump under the cats skin the pressure they feel can make them a bit squirmy, so you just squeeze the lump between your fingers (parallel to the needle) and it will disperse the fluid and relieve the pressure. Also, I always but the bag into hot tap water to heat the fluid and then run fluid from the rig until it runs warm, wastes some fluid but, I get it cheap enough. Some may put it in microwave (be sure no needle attached) and that would save the fluid it takes to heat the tubing as you don't put the rig in the hot water. I haven't tried to nuke mine, might take a bit of practice to get it right and I'd guess the fluid in the tubing would be pretty hot and need to be run out first. I always test on the inside of my wrist (like with a babies bottle) before I give fluid to a kitty. Gary From: Maureen Olvey Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 8:51 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids What about the 23 gauge? That's even smaller, correct? Does it work okay or does it take forever to get the fluids in because the needle is so small? “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids
I use the same 20 ga needle and like them. I think the flow rate is actually a bit slower than an 18 ga., but I would just as soon take a few minutes more and use the smaller needle. It is a bit unnerving sticking your baby the first few times you do it and you just might do a through and through a few times, especially on little guys. Be sure when you are inserting the needle that the open part at the point is facing up and be sure to use a new one each time. Yeah, if you get rattled, it scares them. I got mine from the medical supply house where I bought my fluid, MUCH cheaper than getting it from the vet. I think I paid $32 plus shipping for 12 liters of ringers, might be more now. One thing to watch out for when starting a new bag of fluids, be sure to securely close the roller shutoff on the tubing before inserting into the bag. If open the air can escape and you won't be able to tell how much you use. You can fix it by pumping in some air through the med port on the bag with an empty syringe. Gary From: Maureen Olvey Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 8:40 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids You got that right - kitty harpoons for sure. I did it while ago and I just can't do that anymore. It hurt her when I put it in. Then of course it freaked me out which I'm sure made it worse for her. I'll talk with my vet tomorrow. Maybe he has those 20 gauge needles. She's only like 4 lbs. and that needle weighs more than she does! “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ginger
I think Ginger would be very proud of you for saving the life of another kitty. We don't replace loved ones that have passed with new ones, the new ones are added to our hearts. I have lost many FeLV+ kitties over the 7 years I have been caring for them and I hold them all dear to me forever. I do hope you will get another FeLV+ kitty, they have such a tough time finding homes. Gary -- From: Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 2:05 AM To: Subject: [Felvtalk] Ginger It's been a few weeks since we lost our ginger kitty. I am still so sad about my darling! Do you think I should get another kitty so soon after his death? I feel I would kind of betray my Ginger kitty. Could you please advice me what to do? Marinda Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FIP
can you refer me to info that says FIP vaccine makes cat test positive? Can't say that I have heard that before. I do know that if the cat was previously exposed to corona vitus, it is ineffective. Gary -- From: "GRAS" Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 10:10 AM To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIP Both vaccines, FIV and FIP, will make cats test POSITIVE forever! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vet meds
Cindy, FishMox is NOT the same as Clavamox, FishMox is the same as Amoxicillin. Clavamox is a mixture of amoxicillin and clavauntic(sp) acid which enhances the amoxicillin. FishMox is fine to use, just make sure you know how to dose it for cats, it comes in 250 mg or 500 mg capsules. Dosage for cats is 5-10 mg per pound once or twice a day. Clavamox is available from overseas without a script, but tends to be a bit expensive. The human form of clavamox is called Augmentin and has the same ingredients, but you have to be careful with dosages for cats as they way ingredients are listed tends to be confusing. Tablets of the same dosage vets give use to be sold overseas, but as far as I know, it has been discontinued by every place I know. Doxycycline is and excellent antibiotic and is the antibiotic of choice for many things in the Cornell University Shelter Medicine program. You can buy it without a script as Bird Biotic in 100 mg capsules. dosage for cats is max 4 mg per pound once a day. Both FishMox (amoxicillin) and Bird Biotic (doxycycline) must be mixed with a liquid for proper dosing. Additionally, doxycycline should never be given to a cat in any dry form as it can cause damage in the esophagus. You can use a lot of different liquids to mix these with, but I use 1/3 water and then add 2/3 lite kayro syrup, It helps kill the taste and doesn't go bad. Amoxicillin must be refrigerated after mixing and lasts 10 to 14 days, but it can be frozen for long periods. Doxycycline need not be refrigerated (unless the liquid you use needs refrigeration) and should be discarded after 30 days. Here are a couple of links http://www.1drugstore-online.com and http://www.supersavermeds.com/ If anyone is interested in Zithromax, I get it from a contact in Thailand much cheaper than here. Email me off list and I will put you in contact with him. Please, everyone be sure to know the proper dose for cats for any med you are giving and how to get that dose from the product you have. Gary -- From: "Cindy McHugh" Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 3:48 PM To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vet meds Lorrie, I'm late chiming in here. I can't help you with Acarexx, but look into FishMox for the clavamox. It can be ordered without a prescription and from what I was told, it's the same as clavamox. I even ordered it for myself once when I had an infected tooth. Cindy - Original Message - From: "Lorrie" To: Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 11:14 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Vet meds Does anyone know where I can buy RX vet meds overseas without an RX? With 25 cats in my shelter and at home I need to keep some basic things at home such as Acarexx for earmites, Clavamox (antibiotic) etc. Thanks, Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] interferon alpha injected?
Hi Gloria, I would be very interested in knowing what dosage that vet uses for an injection. Interferon comes in little vial with the lowest dose in a vial being one million units and is usually 3 million units. These vials are meant to be one injection for a human, but the oral dose for cats is only 30 units, I can't imagine how you would draw up an appropriate dose for a cat without doing the same dilutions that are done for oral treatments. Gary -- From: "Gloria B. Lane" Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 11:01 AM To: Subject: [Felvtalk] interferon alpha injected? One of the vets here told someone with an FELV cat, that she could use interferon alpha as an injection. He didn't mention low dose ORAL interferon alpha. It's been my understanding that the interferon was absorbed in the back of the throat. Has anyone used interferon alpha as an injection rather than orally? Thanks, Gloria ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+ Emergency in Austin, TX
Kelly, Please contact me off list about this kitty. I would love to know exactly what condition is "treatable" and what treatment would make him "very infectious" beyond being as infectious as he is now. g Gary From: Kelley Saveika Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 4:31 PM To: felvtalk Cc: teeja...@sbcglobal.net Subject: [Felvtalk] FELV+ Emergency in Austin, TX Hey folks, got an emergency with a possible FELV+ cat in Austin, Texas. He's had one snap test (and that's with the felv/fiv/heartworm test, which we know there are a lot of false +s with). There is no one to hold him for a confirmatory IFA. Someone wrote me asking for help, this is her description of him: "He is slated to be euthanized at 5pm today. This boy is very affectionate, loving to be held, petted, scratched, etc. He was even purring while being petted at the counter at the vet's office with all the strange scents and animal noises going on! He's pretty sick at the moment. Vet says he's extremely anemic. That's why he hasn't been eating much. And the heat has exacerbated the problem since he's been an outdoor cat. Vet also says the condition is treatable, but the treatment makes him very infectious. So what he needs is an indoor home either in a one-cat household or in a house where all the cats are feline leukemia positive. It's breaking my heart because he's such a sweetie. I'm hoping to find someone who can provide a home for this baby so he won't have to be euthanized." ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] testing
Those are the same tests. The definitive test is the IFA (has to be sent to a lab). Recommended testing protocol is if the "snap" and IFA are different, test again in 120 days. Unfortunately for most rescues and shelters they don't have a place for keeping possibly positive cats for an additional 120 days. If the "snap" test was done using the new triple test (FIV, FeLV and heartworm) have it done again using the FeLV test only, if you can find a vet who has them. There have been many false positives reported with the triple test. Gary -- From: "Mary Lou" Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 9:13 AM To: Subject: [Felvtalk] testing I know I have read there is a chance of a false positive with the snap test. I was wondering if the same with the Elisa test? Thank you. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] UK vet meds
Are you using the cat Stronhold, or the dog Stronghold and dosing it down for cats? Should work out to less than $1.60 a dose when dosing down the Stronghold for the largest dogs. Gary -- From: "Susan Hoffman" Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 12:29 PM To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] UK vet meds I've been ordering the Stronghold from the UK (same as US Revolution) for a couple of years now. I buy the big dog size and measure it out into cat sized doses. Works out to less than $3 per dose for an adult cat. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] clavamox
Normal dosage for that would be half that pill twice a day. If you can get her to eat, just crush it in wet food. You can also crush the pills and add them to a liquid and use a syringe (no needle) or a measured dropper. Mix each pill with one or two ml of liquid (2 ml liquid means one ml twice a day, one ml liquid means .5 ml twice a day. Must keep refrigerated and shake very well before each use. You could use the petinic as the liquid. Gary -- From: "Peggy Verdonck" Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 9:20 PM To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] clavamox Hi Lisa and Natalie, This type of clavomox is actually the 125 mg pill kind. I like the liquid better, but I really hope to get an injection type of antibiotics next time. She seemed to keep it down this evening, but she is not doing so good overall. Still won't eat and hides under the bed. I can tell by looking at her bowl that she does drink water, so at least that's good. I still can't believe that all the other cats tested negative!! That was such a relief. I hope Oreo's test was a false positive. That would be another miracle! I will talk to the vet about switching antibiotics and dosage. I'm al little worried because she really needs the help to get rid of this infection. I hope it's not to late. Lisa, I live in Alabama. Peggy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] treatment updates
Unfortunately, these updates are not good news. ACEMANNAN: I used this to save several FeLV cats, it works. Sadly, the company that made it - Carrington Labs - went out of business and it is no longer available. On Saturday I will give the last of my Acemannan to a sick kitty and hope that will be enough. STAPH PROTEIN A: I have never had the chance to use this, but there were some pretty encouraging trials a few years ago and my vet got some from a university. The vet said it worked very well in temporarily reversing anemia in Felv cats, giving them another 5 or 6 months of good health. This product was never approved for the treatment of animals and is stricly used in biological research. You must be a legitimate bio researcher to buy it and you must swear it will never get into the hands of anyone not authorized to use it. So, in reality, you cannot get it. Would the list owner please update the website about these treatments. Gary ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Fw: URGENT! FELV+ Persian
I am just cross posting this. Contact info in the message below. Please help if you can. Thanks, Gary -- Subject: URGENT! FELV+ Persian There is a red Persian female, 3 years old, FELEUK POSITIVE BY SNAP, at Anti-Cruelty in Chicago, IL. PCBR is paying for an IFA to be done, but, if that is positive, we will need to move the cat VERY quickly as the shelter will put her down. Please contact me at res...@purebredcats.org (@purebredcats.org) if you are willing to adopt! Linda Pollack Mercer, M.D. President, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue, Inc. (previously known as CFA Purebred Rescue, Inc) http://purebredcats.org Director, Operation Noble Foster, http://operationnoblefoster.org The Persian Rescue Email list: http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Persian_Rescue/ (Moderator) The Rescue Siamese Email List: http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/RescueSiamese (Moderator) Phone (rescue emergencies only please): (888) 303-9454 [toll free] Email: (@purebredcats.org) Alternate email: (@sbcglobal.net) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] update on josie, the low hematocrit kitty
Hemobart is infamous for not showing up on the test, if it is suspected, I would just start the doxy treatment, but without a transfusion it will be tough to bring her back with an HCT of only 8. Gary -- From: "MaryChristine" Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 10:33 PM To: "FeLVTalk" Subject: [Felvtalk] update on josie, the low hematocrit kitty the er vet has seen the bloods, and no, a specific hemobart test was NOT run, so she'll do that. from the bloodwork, she suspects that is it, indeed, hemobart--lisa and josie are on their way into the vet's office now. so think sweet, red-blooded healing thoughts for her, please. MC -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] URGENT: help needed re: info on transfusions/epogen, etc
Usually, a transfusion with un-typed blood can be done once, but there is a risk. If the blood is typed and a matching blood used, the risk is very slight. Gary -- From: "Michelle Brockman" Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 3:53 PM To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] URGENT: help needed re: info on transfusions/epogen, etc I always caution people about transfusions based on my own experience. Our kitten needed a transfusion due to her levels being so low which she did get. After the transfusion she perked up and seemed like she was getting better however an hour and half after she started to crash. Three hours later she was dead. The vet said that cats can have a bad reaction to the transfusion and in essence 'reject' the new blood. I wasn't aware if this before hand. I would have rather had a few more days with her rather than be blindsided by her death by transfusionif she was going to die anyway. Hopefully someone can give some helpful suggestions - I just know that transfusions, depending on the circumstances aren't always the best answer. I know too that we tried procrit but that took too long to have any effect and ultimately was pointless. Prayers for Josie... ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] URGENT: help needed re: info on transfusions/epogen, etc
An HCT of 8 is critical, if it isn't stopped very quickly, the cat will die shortly. My vet did transfusions on two of my FeLV cats, she should definitely seek a new vet. The vet should have been able to tell if the anemia is regenerative or non-regenerative. If non-regenerative, not Hemobart. If he suspects Hemobart, did he start the cat on Doxycycline (the drug of choice for Hemobart)? I would say the chances for the cat surviving without a transfusion in the very near future is very slim, even with a transfusion it may a longshot. Gary -- From: "MaryChristine" Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 2:57 PM To: "Lance" ; "gary" ; "Belinda Sauro" ; "FeLVTalk" ; ; "cats.rocks" Subject: [Felvtalk] URGENT: help needed re: info on transfusions/epogen, etc just got an email from a rescue i work with, about someone who adopted a FeLV positive a few months ago. kitty is NOT doing well--with a hematocrit of 8. she asked her vet about doing a transfusion, and he said that's not done with FeLV cats. well, other than getting a new vet, i'm asking you guys for help. (he's also saying it could be whatever-they're-now-calling-hemobartenellosis.) i've got all the info from the rescue, and the contact info of the cat's mom. i know that some of you have experience with this, which i do not: if any of you are willing/able to help walk lisa (the human) and josie (the cat) through this, please let me know! feline anemia boards? i've suggested she check www.adopt.bemikitties for local vets (she MAY be in the miami, FL area, but not sure on that yet--that's where the rescue is), as well as amer assn of feline practitioners for a vet near her, but i think that talking with someone who knows what they're talking about would be a big help. thanks! MC, out of her depth ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Now it's Murphy-I can't take much more-Sourcesforproducts?
I am afraid I have some very bad news concerning Acemannan. I have found out the manufacturer, Carrington Labs, is out of business. I emailed VPL and they said as far as they know, there is no one else making it. So, we have another product that was effective in saving the lives of cats that is no longer available. Gary -- From: "gary" Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 1:50 AM To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Now it's Murphy-I can't take much more-Sourcesforproducts? It is made by Carrington Labs and was being marketed by VPL, but it is no longer on their website and a search shows their contract with Carrington Labs expired in April. I am going to call Carrington Labs in the morning and see if they have another distributor, I sure hope it is still available. It comes in a box containing four 10 mg containers. The last time my vet ordered it, it was $225, that was his cost. The protocol is 2 mg/KG IP, weekly for 6 weeks and then monthly. The monthly shots can be given sub-q. For those unfamiliar with what IP means, it means through the wall of the abdomen. The instructions say you must use it within 4 hours of mixing it, but the vet who was the technical assistance person for VPL told me any leftover would keep fine in the fridge for a week and for a month in the freezer. Gary -- From: "Alice Flowers" Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 12:06 AM To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Now it's Murphy-I can't take much more-Sources forproducts? Could you describe what the Acemannan (sp?) is and how it's used? Also what are good sources for this and also pettinic? Alice ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Now it's Murphy-I can't take much more-Sources forproducts?
It is made by Carrington Labs and was being marketed by VPL, but it is no longer on their website and a search shows their contract with Carrington Labs expired in April. I am going to call Carrington Labs in the morning and see if they have another distributor, I sure hope it is still available. It comes in a box containing four 10 mg containers. The last time my vet ordered it, it was $225, that was his cost. The protocol is 2 mg/KG IP, weekly for 6 weeks and then monthly. The monthly shots can be given sub-q. For those unfamiliar with what IP means, it means through the wall of the abdomen. The instructions say you must use it within 4 hours of mixing it, but the vet who was the technical assistance person for VPL told me any leftover would keep fine in the fridge for a week and for a month in the freezer. Gary -- From: "Alice Flowers" Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 12:06 AM To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Now it's Murphy-I can't take much more-Sources forproducts? Could you describe what the Acemannan (sp?) is and how it's used? Also what are good sources for this and also pettinic? Alice ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Now it's Murphy-I can't take much more
I had success reversing anemia in two FeLV positive kittens using Acemannan. I can't say it works every time in every situation, but it worked for me on those two. Gary -- From: "Alice Flowers" Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2010 1:24 PM To: Subject: [Felvtalk] Now it's Murphy-I can't take much more Murphy has been sneezing-We took Murphy and Rosie in yesterday for check ups and blood work. They did an in house PCV on him because his gums were pale. He is anemic at 18.5%. This is the beginning of the end. I had hoped that after losing Rosie's 4 brothers last year that we would get a reprieve. I had hoped that the vet's rough rule of 1/3 would apply to us since we began with 6. We had Rosie and her 5 brothers-and Murphy, the friendly kitten that was tossed into the feral colony that we caught Rosie and the boys from after trapping and neutering their mother-1/3 of kitties would succumb quickly, 1/3 would die young and 1/3 generally live fairly uneventful lives for quite a while. Murphy is becoming lethargic at times, sometimes stretching out and sleeping on the floor-not his usual pose-he is my eagle, if he isn't on the computer desk next to me-curled up in an envelope box (any box will do-he has even tried to squeeze into a box barely big enough for his head-LOL)-he is asleep in the spare room-on top of the bookcase! He has a talent of springing from the floor and landing in a box on top of a 4' cabinet without touching the edges-he is like a little antelope with his springy legs. Murphy is the king of cats-I have never been owned by such an awesome kitty. He is beautiful with his fluffy, tuxedo coat, huge eyes and even huger paws-he has 7 toes on his front feet and 6 on the backs. He can snag a cat toy tossed at him like in mid-air like a baseball player and can even pick up things using the extra toes like fingers. I cannot believe this is happening again. We have begun Procrit, iron supplement and Doxy for the sneezing/cold thing he has going on-his lungs are clear, but a little wheezing in his throat area. Wish us luck-I am so sad right now and keep tearing up. I can't take much more of this disease, so much loss for all of us. Alice and Glenn (humans), Rosie and Murphy-furkids ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING
No, not when vaccinated for Feline Leukemia, the one that causes positive tests after vaccination is for FIV. I have never heard of a cat testing positive for Feline Leukemia because it was vaccinated for it. Gary -- From: "Laurieskatz" Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 11:08 AM To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING I think they do test positive after being vaccinated. "Never, never be afraid to do what's right, especially if the well-being of a person or animal is at stake. Society's punishments are small compared to the wounds we inflict on our soul when we look the other way." ~ Martin Luther King, Jr. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 11:05 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING These were healthy cats who were to be going to Petsmart locations or to be adopted from our cage-free shelter. We vaccinate all cats being put up for adoption. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING
If you still have some of that vaccine, don't throw it away, it needs to be tested. I do not see how a supposedly killed virus vaccine would cause a positive on a restest. Gary -- From: "Beth" Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 8:39 AM To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING I work with Furkids. My best friend & her family stayed there until 1am giving fluids & taking temps. Luckily we didn't lose any of the kitties. What's worse the cats were testing positive for FeLV when they were retested. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Mon, 7/12/10, Natalie wrote: From: Natalie Subject: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, July 12, 2010, 9:24 AM PLEASE CROSS POST Forwarded Message: Received this warning from Furkids Rescue: Date: Sunday, July 11, 2010, 3:43 PM Dear Colleagues, Furkids had an experience this week with Fort Dodge Leukemia vaccines that we want to share with you in hopes that no one else has this happen to their animals. On July 7, we vaccinated 20 cats with Fort Dodge's Fel-O-Vax-Lv-K vaccine (167346B, exp. 2/20/11). ALL 20 cats spiked high temperatures within a few hours of receiving the vaccine. We recorded temps over 105. We had to send six cats to emergency (one with seizures). We administered fluids and metacam and benadryl. Thankfully, the cats seem to be rebounding today. In our eight years, we have never seen anything like this. Fort Dodge has offered no explanation. We will no longer be using the Fort Dodge products and wanted to pass along our experience with their vaccine in case any of you have the same lot. If you do, you should contact your rep and return them immediately. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] New kitten
After 2 months, there is no need to do any of this as the FeLV will all be dead long ago. It is probably a good idea in general to wash the toys, but it is never necessary to use straight bleach on anything to disinfect it. Anything soaked in a 3-4% bleach solution for 20 minutes will be disinfected. Gary -- From: "Natalie" Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 8:44 AM To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] New kitten I would throw away soft toys that cannot be laundered - any hard surfaces like plastic that are porous, wash them with Clorox mixed with water - or straight, if you wear a mask or bandana over your face! Rinse really well - same goes for litter boxes. That should kill everything that may have been on it! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lisa Borden Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 9:52 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] New kitten It's now been just over two months since Tommy died. My heart is ready to welcome home a new kitten. My other two cats have tested negative for FeLV (yay!!). Is there anything special I need to do to make sure the virus isn't still on toys, bedding, etc? I did wash the bedding, and I'm going to throw out some of the older toys. But stuff like the turbo scratcher (ball around a circle)? Thank you, Lisa ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] New kitten
Feline Leukemia Virus is rather fragile outside of the body and as the saying goes, "when it dries, it dies", so it is extremely doubtful that any has survived for 2 months. Gary -- From: "Lisa Borden" Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 8:52 PM To: Subject: [Felvtalk] New kitten It's now been just over two months since Tommy died. My heart is ready to welcome home a new kitten. My other two cats have tested negative for FeLV (yay!!). Is there anything special I need to do to make sure the virus isn't still on toys, bedding, etc? I did wash the bedding, and I'm going to throw out some of the older toys. But stuff like the turbo scratcher (ball around a circle)? Thank you, Lisa ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon
Of course, you could always make your own and have a lifetime supply for under $100. I would disagree with one statement made on Tally's site, she says you can mix the interferon with food. I had always heard that the interferon is absorbed through the mucous membranes and once it got to the stomach it was useless. Island said not to freeze the final dilution and it appears Tally did that with no problem. It may be that Island Pharmacy just didn't want you to be able to keep it more than 90 days. If you were using the 7 on, 7 off protocol, a 90 day supply would last 180 days if you froze the extra. I thought the info in the lasaer treatments was very interesting. Gary -- From: "Gloria B. Lane" Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 8:42 PM To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon Thanks, Gary! I looked at the Franck web site, not a great web site I might add, very disappointing. No link for veterinary products, none for interferon that I could find. I went to IslandPharmacy.com, and no interferon. Too bad they aren't available any longer. For those interested, Tally was on this group a few years ago and still has some information on interferon and FELV on her web site. You can check it out at http://www.tallyville.com/stomatitis.html Gloria On Jun 27, 2010, at 6:45 PM, gary wrote: Island Pharmacy was bought out by Franck's Pharmacy some time ago and I heard then that Franck's would be doing the interferon, they are in Ocala, FL. You could call Island and ask them, maybe it was just temporary. Franck's website is www.francks.com. Gary -- From: "Gloria Lane" Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 5:37 PM To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon So Island doesn't sell it anymore? There's also 3 on 3 off protocol. I used to do daily tho. Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Jun 27, 2010, at 4:45 PM, "gary" wrote: According to Island Pharmacy - they use to compound a lot of interferon, but no longer do it - it was not recommended to freeze the final dilution of interferon, just keep it in the fridge, they always said it was good for 90 days that way. The dosage for cats is 30 IU a day. The compound you have is made to have 1 ml equal 60 IU, so to get the correct daily dosage of 30 IU, you would use only . 5 ml. Whether you use a protocol with a daily dosage, or the 7 on 7 off protocol is a choice you have to make. I don't know how your interferon is packaged, but if you do not need a needle to withdraw it and can use just an oral syringe, I would Google for a 1 ml oral syringe with cap. Most of the syringes listed as oral syringes will not accept a needle, so they are not dual purpose. Gary -- From: "Stacy Zacher" Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 1:13 PM To: Subject: [Felvtalk] Interferon Hi: I received a bottle of interferon from my vet. He told me it was a 90 day supply but it says discard after 30 days on the bottle. I know many posts have said that you draw it up into syringes and then freeze and I know it doesn't last long. I'm guessing I need to do that but my vet told me to call the compounding pharmacy that diluted it and sent it and just make sure. The bottle says Interferon Alpha 2B 60 IU/ML 45 ML give .5 ML by mouth once daily. I thought I had read most people are giving 1 ML daily or 7 on 7 off? This came from US Compounding with an address in Conway AZ. I didn't get much instruction with the bottle! So I am wondering about freezing and then do you know of any economic sites where I can buy the 1 ML syringes in a box off 100 and the syringe caps? I am also looking for empty small gelcaps. Thanks! Stacy and Spanky stacy_zac...@yahoo.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon
Island Pharmacy was bought out by Franck's Pharmacy some time ago and I heard then that Franck's would be doing the interferon, they are in Ocala, FL. You could call Island and ask them, maybe it was just temporary. Franck's website is www.francks.com. Gary -- From: "Gloria Lane" Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 5:37 PM To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon So Island doesn't sell it anymore? There's also 3 on 3 off protocol. I used to do daily tho. Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Jun 27, 2010, at 4:45 PM, "gary" wrote: According to Island Pharmacy - they use to compound a lot of interferon, but no longer do it - it was not recommended to freeze the final dilution of interferon, just keep it in the fridge, they always said it was good for 90 days that way. The dosage for cats is 30 IU a day. The compound you have is made to have 1 ml equal 60 IU, so to get the correct daily dosage of 30 IU, you would use only . 5 ml. Whether you use a protocol with a daily dosage, or the 7 on 7 off protocol is a choice you have to make. I don't know how your interferon is packaged, but if you do not need a needle to withdraw it and can use just an oral syringe, I would Google for a 1 ml oral syringe with cap. Most of the syringes listed as oral syringes will not accept a needle, so they are not dual purpose. Gary -- From: "Stacy Zacher" Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 1:13 PM To: Subject: [Felvtalk] Interferon Hi: I received a bottle of interferon from my vet. He told me it was a 90 day supply but it says discard after 30 days on the bottle. I know many posts have said that you draw it up into syringes and then freeze and I know it doesn't last long. I'm guessing I need to do that but my vet told me to call the compounding pharmacy that diluted it and sent it and just make sure. The bottle says Interferon Alpha 2B 60 IU/ML 45 ML give .5 ML by mouth once daily. I thought I had read most people are giving 1 ML daily or 7 on 7 off? This came from US Compounding with an address in Conway AZ. I didn't get much instruction with the bottle! So I am wondering about freezing and then do you know of any economic sites where I can buy the 1 ML syringes in a box off 100 and the syringe caps? I am also looking for empty small gelcaps. Thanks! Stacy and Spanky stacy_zac...@yahoo.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon
According to Island Pharmacy - they use to compound a lot of interferon, but no longer do it - it was not recommended to freeze the final dilution of interferon, just keep it in the fridge, they always said it was good for 90 days that way. The dosage for cats is 30 IU a day. The compound you have is made to have 1 ml equal 60 IU, so to get the correct daily dosage of 30 IU, you would use only .5 ml. Whether you use a protocol with a daily dosage, or the 7 on 7 off protocol is a choice you have to make. I don't know how your interferon is packaged, but if you do not need a needle to withdraw it and can use just an oral syringe, I would Google for a 1 ml oral syringe with cap. Most of the syringes listed as oral syringes will not accept a needle, so they are not dual purpose. Gary -- From: "Stacy Zacher" Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 1:13 PM To: Subject: [Felvtalk] Interferon Hi: I received a bottle of interferon from my vet. He told me it was a 90 day supply but it says discard after 30 days on the bottle. I know many posts have said that you draw it up into syringes and then freeze and I know it doesn't last long. I'm guessing I need to do that but my vet told me to call the compounding pharmacy that diluted it and sent it and just make sure. The bottle says Interferon Alpha 2B 60 IU/ML 45 ML give .5 ML by mouth once daily. I thought I had read most people are giving 1 ML daily or 7 on 7 off? This came from US Compounding with an address in Conway AZ. I didn't get much instruction with the bottle! So I am wondering about freezing and then do you know of any economic sites where I can buy the 1 ML syringes in a box off 100 and the syringe caps? I am also looking for empty small gelcaps. Thanks! Stacy and Spanky stacy_zac...@yahoo.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Acemannan
Acemannan is now made by Veterinary Products Laboratories www.vpl.com and I don't see any indication of it not being available. There was a price jump end of last year, how much did you pay for it? The VPL site had the name of a vet who was involved in the original trials as their technical representative, but I don't see anyone listed for that product now. I think my vet may still have his name and number, but they are closed on Wed., I will check on Thur. When I used it, the protocol was one shot a week for six weeks (given IP) and then one shot a month that can be given sub-q. Also, the vet for VPL told me that you can keep the mixed Acemannan for up to a week in the fridge and freeze it for up to a month, even though the instructions say you have to use it in 4 hours. Gary -- From: "Cynthia May" Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 5:42 PM To: Subject: [Felvtalk] Acemannan My 8 year old cat had Feline Leukemia at age 1 1/2. We found out about Acemannan by doing research online. It worked beautifully and he was free of Leukemia after one year, at which time we stopped the Acemannan. He was normal until last Dec when his bone marrow went haywire and stopped producing platelets, white and red blood cells. Since then we've had him on prednisone, and other meds. We went back to Acemannan and he has just had his fifth injection (he gets one injection every week for six weeks). I need to know what to do after his sixth injection. Does anyone know? The lab went bankrupt; my vet can still get it from his supplier, but we have no way to call the manufacturer to find out what is next after the sixth injection. Last time, we went to once a month injections, but because this is not exactly Feline Leukemia, but caused by his Feline Leukemia, it might be a different situation. Thanks for any suggestions. Cindy http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] interferon storage/dilution
It might cost $800 or $1000 to get an order of feline interferon omega from Europe (the UK actually, I think) but it no longer takes 6 to 8 weeks, threy have streamlined the process for Feline Interferon Omega. However, there is at least one supplier that will send from the UK without FDA approval as long as your vet will prescribe it and receive it. I'll send you the info if you want. Also, once you reconstitute the FIO, you have to use it within 21 days, but you can freeze anything more than 21 days worth indefinitely. Once thawede, you have 21 days to use it. FIO is an injection drug and is not diluted. Interferon Alpha (human interferon) is diluted and given orally. I would use syringes to hold the fluid to be frozen as you want to be able to inject that concentration into saline for further dilution. Also, you want to keep it in a container where it won't get contaminated. I have already sent you instructions on how to dilute and store interferon alpha and where to buy it very inexpensively. If you didn't get that info, I will send it to you again. Gary -- From: "Stacy Zacher" Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 4:08 PM To: Subject: [Felvtalk] interferon storage/dilution Hi: My vet looked into getting interferon omega from Europe for Spanky. It turns out that it would be about $1000-$2000 and would take 6-8 weeks AND that doesn't even mean it would be shipped so that we can be sure it remains stable (it cannot be warm at all). Thus, we are going to go with interferon alpha as it is available here and a lot of you use it with good results. If that doesn't seem to do much for him, we'll add the Imulan LTCI injections with the interferon. I'm curious how those of you use interferon dilute and store it in the fridge and freezer? I know I've seen people advise how they do this on this list but I couldn't figure out a way to search the archives without going through every single message for each month. I found mini ice cube trays on the internet and wonder if there is something better (syringes frozen?) Also, how long do you wait between blood panels to see if it has helped kitty? one month? two months? Thanks so much for your help. Stacy and Spanky stacy_zac...@yahoo.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Knox and treatment of felv
I'm glad to hear that he is willing to communicate with you. That the treatment only results in the suppression of the virus, is a little disappointing. This would make it about equivalent to the claims of Dr. Belfield for his vitamin C therapy. He claims he "cured" every FeLV positive cat that came through his practice, using his Mega C formula (takes much longer than the time cited in the VanDyke study) but later says that if you stop giving the Mega C, the virus will return. That would indicate to me that the virus isn't cured, just suppressed. Not that there is anything wrong with suppressing the virus and stopping it's progression. Dr. Belfield says there are not side effects from long term use of his Mega C formula, but I do have to wonder about side effects from the long term use of Depo. Thanks for getting the info. Gary -- From: "jbero tds.net" Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 10:18 AM To: Subject: [Felvtalk] Knox and treatment of felv I just wanted to update you all where I'm at now. I got an email from Dr. Van Dyke, the biochemist involved in this treatment plan. To set a few things straight - he was doing research to find a cure for HIV/AIDS and using cats as an animal model. The intermixed use of FIV/HIV/Felv was in part because of the knowledge at the time concerning the believed similarities of HIV and FIV and in part simply to say that hopefully HIV would behave similarily to FIV and that his work on cats could be carried over to people. Probably not entirely accurate. With respect to the patent being abandoned, it was but he sent me the number of different patent - #6514955. Finally - and I will ask him about this - the paper describes latently infected cats (this by definition means integrated into the host DNA) - but I will clarify this with him. Apparently, what this does is use antioxidants and steroids in combination to suppress the production of virus. It does not 'cure' anyone in that the viral DNA is still within the cat cells, but they are not able to multiple and thereby infect other cells. This, by the way, is the essence of HAART therapy currently used to treat HIV (the difference is that the drugs used now directly inhibit viral activity, in Van Dyke's approach,it is an attempt to get the body to do it for you). The value of this is that if the virus cannot replicate, it cannot mutate (the mutated form of felv is the one that is thought to cause the hematologic diseases and it not contagious; i.e. the virus must mutate within the cat in order to cause these problems). The downside is that the treatment is lifelong. I will ask him for more information and keep you updated. Hope this helps. Jenny ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Found some of original paper on therapy for felv
The patent office website says the patent for this has been abandoned (they didn't pay the fee to keep it an active patent). What I find really strange about this is that if it is such an effective treatment - why did they abandon a patent that could make them a fortune? Gary -- From: "jbero tds.net" Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 11:08 AM To: Subject: [Felvtalk] Found some of original paper on therapy for felv I did a little searching and found a more detailed paper on what was done with these few cats using antioxidant therapy and resulting change in viral status to negative. I copied and pasted it. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Possible therapy for felv
I didn't know you could patent a treatment made up of commercially available products. Where did you see this patent? It is certainly interesting. It is unfortunate there isn't more info as it doesn't say if the surviving cats were FeLV+ or FIV+, or both. Also, too bad it was such a small sample, but worth looking into. Would love to see the whole study. Gary -- From: "jbero tds.net" Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 11:53 AM To: Subject: [Felvtalk] Possible therapy for felv Okay, I am always questioning people that claim a cure, but here is a small study done that caused a man to patent the treatment concerning felv. This a group dedicated to looking into any avenue that may help our little ones, so I'm putting this out there. I copied and pasted this from the patent: notes: 1) One cat with FELV(+)/FIV(+) died without the treatment as a control. 2) Treatments: Cats were injected intramuscularly with 20 mg DEPOMEDROL (antiinflammatory steroid) and dispensed with 1,200 mg powdered Nacetyl cysteine(NAC), 200 IU of Vitamin E, 500 mg of Vitamin C and one PET TAB/day. 3) It takes from 3 weeks to 6 weeks for the cats to turn retrovirus positive reaction to negative after the treatment. 4) The symptoms of Champage, Precious, and Missy such as dental problems bloody diarrhea, and loss of appetite completely subsided after the treatment with steroids/antioxidants. The symptoms of Sampson such as vomiting, gum disease, and loss of appetite completely reversed after the treatment. Josey's symptoms of lung problem, loss of appetite, and gum infection cleared up following the treatment. The cats were maintained on PET TABS following the treatment with steroid/antioxidants. 5) At the conclusion of the test all cats remained FIV or leukemia virus negative. 6) Blood was drawn for analysis from four of the cats treated (Sampson, Josey, Patch, and Bud). The analysis included cell cultures, mitogen stimulation, and polymerase chain reaction assay for the retovirus. All tests indicated the cats were fully cured as none indicated any sign of the virus. These cat experiments are the first to demonstrate that AIDS can be cured in an in vivo model. That's it. If anyone's got any ideas about it or history with it, I'd love to hear it. Jenny ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Gary - info on acemannan,etc
Jenny, Nothing was attached to this email, I don't know if the list allows attachments. Could you send the stuff directly to me a gcru...@centurytel.net please. Thanks, Gary -- From: "jbero tds.net" Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 11:11 AM To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Gary - info on acemannan,etc okay, I have been trying to send this but it's too big to go through so I copied and pasted onto a word document the abstracts of four articles relating to acemannan (or related polysaccharides and viral infections) These were really to answer the specific question of oral mannose versus IP injection but if you want more articles on acemannan itself I can get them for you. Hope it helps. Jenny ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] day 9 of baytril
Last report I read on it said all the reported incidents of blindness were at dosages in excess of the recommended dosage. Last hard drive crash took a bunch of my saved reports, but I will try to locate that one. Gary -- From: "MaryChristine" Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 5:26 AM To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] day 9 of baytril from what i know, the problems with baytril and blindness generally has involved young kittens. baytril is a great drug for certain things, and in some cases i know of people who've made the decision to take the risk blind is a whole lot better than dead, after all. ask anyone. MC ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccine
Under the new guidelines for feline practitioners, most all boosters are now every 3 years. Gary Lorrie wrote: A friend who lives in the Wash. DC area just told me her vet no longer recommends vaccines for FelV. In her case, she had a cat she adopted who was FelV pos. and he died at 18 months of age. She had her other two cats vaccinated last year when she found out he was pos. and when she went to get their annual FelV boosters she was told they don't recommend them. I'm not sure if this means just the boosters or any FelV shots. Have any of you heard anything about this? Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV Positive Young Mom Cat & Babies
I would be very interested in the source of the oral product and the protocol for FeLV cats. Also, any articles or studies relating to the use of oral Acemannan. Thanks, Gary jbero tds.net wrote: Minnie, 3. Acemannan - a supplement known to help fight off the virus. I would get them on an oral dose of this daily. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Frosty Paws will be PTS tomorrow
It is kind of hard to say if anything can be done for him as we don't have a clue what is wrong with him. If he is severely anemic, it could be cause by the FeLV or it might be Hemobartonella, which is very curable. I have had luck on two anemic FeLV positive kittens using Acemannan. If he is having trouble breathing because of anemia, I would say he would need a transfusion just to allow time for any meds to work no matter what the cause. The problem may be something else entirely, need to know what you are fighting before deciding on a course of action.. Gary LauraM wrote: More sad news to add to the rest of the sad news out there. Frosty Paws and I have an appointment for 4:30 tomorrow at our vet's. I think it is time to let him go, and I refuse to let him suffer needlessly. We all know how our FeLV kids can suffer at the end. So I believe I'm doing the right thing. We'll see what the vet says. I've only had him for about a month and a half. He was a stray who somebody took in. She had him neutered and combo tested, and the test came back positive. Since she'd never had a FeLV + cat before, she felt a little overwhelmed, and since I already had 3 of them, I agreed to take him on. Frosty has always been quiet - the woman who rescued him said he was the most quiet and non-confrontational cat she'd ever met - but I wonder if what we thought of as simply quiet (since she didn't have him for long, she didn't truly know his personality, either) was actually a sign of illness. He's looked a little down for the past week, and this morning his breathing was really labored, and was still labored when I returned home from work. Charlotte's breathing was the same way before she got a blood transfusion, and she died a month later in spite of everything. He also appears to have lost some weight, even though I've seen him eating. What do you all think? Is there anything else that can be done? Something we can try? I don't want to lose him if there's a possibility of saving him, but I don't want him to suffer, either. Thank you for all your concern and advice. Laura ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Article at Bestfriends
I wonder if the author of the article has ever actually gone to their FeLV unit and looked at the cats? I certainly hope they don't look like the article says they look, mine don't look like that and they don't all get anemia and don't all get jaundiced. The ones who do get anemia may be lethargic and jaundiced, but it is not an ongoing condition. But you never know, I once asked the vet at BF why they give a monthly sub-q shot of immuno regulin to all the FeLV cats, figured I'd get some good info on IR. WRONG!! The vet said they use it because that is what was being done when he arrived, I believe he doesn't have a clue. Gary - Original Message - From: "Gloria B. Lane" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 2:36 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Article at Bestfriends I just saw an article at Bestfriends.org which I was surprised and disappointed about: http://www.bestfriends.org/theanimals/pdfs/cats/catfelv.pdf The author includes "What happens to a cat who has contracted the virus?" and says "The virus adversely affects the cat’s bone marrow and immune system. An infected cat becomes anemic and is unable to fight off even routine infections. Cats with feline leukemia are commonly jaundiced and lethargic, and they experience weight loss, enlarged lymph nodes, and poor stamina." It sounds like an FELV cat is going to die immediately after getting the virus. So I can see folks reading that article and then euthing their FELV kitties, thinking they're doing them a favor. The 5 FELV cats that I have now haven't seen any sickness since I've had them. Gloria ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Bovine Lactoferrin
Check out the yahoo list fiv-healthscience. The owner of that list, Joel, has been using it for some time. Gary Jason Michael Canon wrote: I've been reading (see http://www.blogcatalog.com/blog/cat-health-news-from-the-winn-feline-foundation/3d1a23a83aa700bc1a6173047e1cf926) the full text of this article about the use of bovine lactoferrin in cats with terminal FIV infection to help modulate immune dysfunction. Has anyone else used this? Thanks ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Help - I can't get LTCI in Georgia!
Acemannan is now easy enough to get, but must come through a vet. They just had a $64 price increase and I paid $228 for the package of four 10 mg bottles and that doesn't last long if you have a large cat. Sometimes they have specials on it from the distributors, got my first package on special for $125 and had a bit of sticker shock at the new price. Ordered the stuff for the Vitamin C IV therapy and will be trying it on a positive with a large lymphoma. The tumor is in his chest and is quite large, so don't know how well this will go, but not much in the way of alternatives. Gary Gloria B. Lane wrote: If you can find a vet to do it, I'd try the vitamin C therapy in a New York Minute. I've never used Acemannan, but have read a lot about it and it sounds good too. When I checked into it a few years ago, it was hard for me to get. Course you'd have to find a competent vet willing to do that too. Good luck! Gloria ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
Actually, doxy is available in liquid form and this is the form that should always be used with cats. If a doxy tablet gets stuck going down it will do serious damage to the esophagus. I haven't tried grinding a prednisone and putting it in food, but you might try that. I find cat food like salmon are pretty good at hiding some bad tasting meds, also a little karo or pancake syrup can help with bitter meds mixed in food. You are by far not the only person who has a problem pilling cats. I have one that the vet can always get the first pill into, but I have never gotten one down him yet by pilling, only by mixing with food. I have several cats that won't even look at a pill pocket when it doesn't have a pill in it, much less when it does. Gary Bugrahan Yalvac wrote: Doxycycline 100 MG and Prednisone 5 MG are the pills. He is infected by mycoplasma haemofelis. It looks all so easy to give cats oral medication on the net but those cats are all healty, relaxed, and happy cats who swallow the pills. Mine is doing everything not to swallow anything. Should I take him to the vet again? Am I the only one who cannot manage to medicate a cat orally? On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 12:17 AM, Gary wrote: What are the pills? Gary Bugrahan Yalvac wrote: Hi, All, I have a FeLV positive cat who adapted me six months ago. A week ago he stopped eating and began to taste his litter. I took him to the vet and he was tested FeLV positive. Vet gave me steroids and antibiotics and I was mixing the pills with his science diet for couple days. He was able to eat small entities of science diet for few days. However for the last two days he is not eating anything. I tried two times to med him through his mount, it didn't work at all. Anyone knows a better way to give medications (pills) to a cat? Thanks, Bugra _ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Help - I can't get LTCI in Georgia!
How odd. Has your vet spoken to Imulan about this problem? There isn't anything I know for sure that helps a lot other than a good diet and low stress. There are many things that people use with varying success. I just started using Acemannan and had success turning to FeLV positive anemic kittens into what appears to be pretty healthy positive cats. You already know about Interferon. Best Friends uses Immuno Regulin (now available as EqStim) .5 ml sub-q once a month on their positives. I have used Moducare and there is Transfer Factor and several others. There is oral vitamin C using Mega C. Does anything work all the time on every cat? I doubt it and we may be throwing our money away most of the time, who knows? Dr. Belfield claims he cured every positive cat that came through his practice of 30 years with his Mega C. My cats don't seem to like it so I haven't figured out how to dose them with enough to experiment with that. Gary LauraM wrote: As some of you may have read in my post from last week, my vet and I had planned to start Bridget on LTCI. Unfortunately, when my vet tried to order it, there was a problem. For some reason, the GA state vet isn't allowing the drug into the state at this time, for anybody - some legal issue. So.what are my options? I was excited & hopeful about the possibilities of this drug & now Bridget can't have it. What other therapies can you folks recommend? I've used interferon with two cats with no success. Bridget is currently asymptomatic, but I would like to try something, anything, to buy her as much time as possible. I'd appreciate any suggestions. Thanks. Laura ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
What are the pills? Gary Bugrahan Yalvac wrote: Hi, All, I have a FeLV positive cat who adapted me six months ago. A week ago he stopped eating and began to taste his litter. I took him to the vet and he was tested FeLV positive. Vet gave me steroids and antibiotics and I was mixing the pills with his science diet for couple days. He was able to eat small entities of science diet for few days. However for the last two days he is not eating anything. I tried two times to med him through his mount, it didn't work at all. Anyone knows a better way to give medications (pills) to a cat? Thanks, Bugra ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon And Other Medicine Questions
Do you have a website or something detailing your research, testing data, etc.? What trials for anemia are you involved with? Is your cat on any medications now? Was your cat on Interferon alpha or FOI? If on alpha, was he at the usual 30 unit dosage? How many LTCI shots did he have before turning negative? Thanks, Gary Hotmail Junk wrote: I had my cat on Interferon, LTCI, and Pred. He was given the death sentence by a University Vet, sent home to die. That was over a year ago. He is now FeLV negative, which we were told it was in his bone marrow. We are working on research and trials of different meds for anemia. The high dosage of pred is not a permenant solution. We have spent over $20,000 so far, but it has been worth every penny!! We have hope that through our research & the help of specialists, we can help other cats with this dreaded disease! Sent from my iPhone On Nov 24, 2009, at 10:27 AM, Ashley Vanover wrote: ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] WBC/RBC/platelet count decreasing
No transfusions, hmmm, makes me wonder which two emails my mind was combining. I had heard the LTCI was somewhere between $60 and $100 a shot and I think an initial series is around 10 shots. There is a lady on the FIP list who has been treating 15 cats, wish I had that kind of money. I was sure you'd have to stop the pred to use LTCI, I'm not 100% sure for Acemannan as I don't have the package insert any more, but I think you might. Acemannan comes in a box of 4 10mg vials (actually 8, 4 powder and 4 sterile water for mixing) and doses at 1 mg per KG once a week for 6 weeks. I was told a box would be about $175, my vet is giving me mine for $125 (I think that might be his cost) to try something they haven't tried before. I am fortunate that my vets are pretty much willing to try anything I bring them and are willing to learn about new or little known treatments or tests. Acemannan is made by VPL (Veterinary Products Laboratories) and their site is www.vpl.com if you check the tech support page you will see the contact info for Dr, Greg Biehle who is the technical assistance person for Acemannan Immunostimulant. He is a very nice guy who is willing to speak with anyone (not just vets) who is seriously interested in trying Acemannan. If he isn't at the clinic when you call or is busy, he will call you back. I can understand your reluctance to change things now while Wolfie is stable, but I am sure you are aware that at some point his condition will start to go downhill and a change will be needed. I hope he is able to maintain for a long time. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 6:49 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] WBC/RBC/platelet count decreasing Hi Gary, Wolfie hasn't had any transfusions yet. We've done ultrasounds, x-rays, lots of panels of testing, etc. We have discussed transfusions with the internal med at Cornell but I won't put him through repeated ones just to buy him a little more time. I totally understand why other people do it and I would do it in a crisis until we could try other stuff if needed. Anyways, I did hear that I'd have to wean off the pred if trying LTCI and that's why I was asking if anybody has seen this stuff turn around a cat like this. I've talked to numerous vets and they all agree they wouldn't risk taking a stable cat off the pred and having him crash just to try the LTCI. I'd feel awful if I made things worse. I'm torn because I'm willing to do anything to help him but at $90 a dose, I'm trying to weigh the pros and cons. Amy > I have had a number of cats that were FeLV positive and had > anemia. I have > tried Epogen and if it did anything at all, it wasn't > noticeable. It is too > bad you live in such an expensive area, I'll bet those > treatments Wolfie has > had would be half that here in Arkansas. You are > fortunate that Wolfie does > so well with transfusions, many times they don't last very > long and don't > raise the HCT all that much. I also tried > Immunoregulin on a couple. It > appeared there was a very short term improvement and then > they went > downhill. That doesn't mean it wouldn't work for > you. I believe the > protocol says if there isn't an improvement in a very short > time after > starting treatment, you know it isn't going to work. > > Now is definitely the time to try something while his HCT > is still at a > reasonable level. I haven't tried the LTCI, mostly > because I can't afford > it. I recently took in two kittens that tested > positive for FeLV, both were > thin and anemic. I tried some Acemannan on them and > they are both doing > great now. It is much less expensive than LTCI, but I > could not guarantee > it would help in any particular situation. I wish I > had the chance to try > it on a couple of the adult FeLV cats I have lost to > anemia. > > Personally, I don't think any of the available supplements > that people > (including myself) give these babies to build their immune > systems, will > reverse non-regenerative anemia. Something a bit more > proactive is needed. > If you decide to try LTCI or Acemannan, I believe you will > have to stop the > pred. before starting either of those. > > Gary ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] WBC/RBC/platelet count decreasing
Hi, I have had a number of cats that were FeLV positive and had anemia. I have tried Epogen and if it did anything at all, it wasn't noticeable. It is too bad you live in such an expensive area, I'll bet those treatments Wolfie has had would be half that here in Arkansas. You are fortunate that Wolfie does so well with transfusions, many times they don't last very long and don't raise the HCT all that much. I also tried Immunoregulin on a couple. It appeared there was a very short term improvement and then they went downhill. That doesn't mean it wouldn't work for you. I believe the protocol says if there isn't an improvement in a very short time after starting treatment, you know it isn't going to work. Now is definitely the time to try something while his HCT is still at a reasonable level. I haven't tried the LTCI, mostly because I can't afford it. I recently took in two kittens that tested positive for FeLV, both were thin and anemic. I tried some Acemannan on them and they are both doing great now. It is much less expensive than LTCI, but I could not guarantee it would help in any particular situation. I wish I had the chance to try it on a couple of the adult FeLV cats I have lost to anemia. Personally, I don't think any of the available supplements that people (including myself) give these babies to build their immune systems, will reverse non-regenerative anemia. Something a bit more proactive is needed. If you decide to try LTCI or Acemannan, I believe you will have to stop the pred. before starting either of those. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 9:02 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] WBC/RBC/platelet count decreasing I've posted before about my cat Wolfie. He's 7 years old and has been losing weight for the past 4 years. His HCT is also down (currently 25). We've treated for hemobart and retested and he's now negative (was positive before). He has started gaining weight and has put on a pound but I'm sure the leukemia is in his bone marrow. He's been tested and has non-regenerative anemia. He's been stable for a few months but his WBC, RBC, and platelet counts are all gradually declining. I was expecting him to crash when I got the confirmation of non-regenerative anemia but he's holding his own. I was told he's probably making red blood cells in his liver or spleen, just no longer in the bone marrow. Has anybody ever had luck with LTCI or any of the other things mentioned once it has gotten to this point? I've done all sorts of testing for digestive issues, lymphoma, IBD, etc. We have made a couple trips to Cornell and decided to just keep him on pred and monitor trends for now. I keep hoping for some miracle but I know the prognosis is not good. Thanks Amy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Reversal of FIP in my six-month-old kitten
I'm Very glad that Angelica has gotten better. However, at least with what you wrote, I don't see a diagnosis of FIP. Was this a diagnosis made by a vet? Were there some tests run with results that were indicative of FIP, or was this just from observation of clinical signs? Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of S. Jewell Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 9:02 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Reversal of FIP in my six-month-old kitten Hi, All, Just dropping in to post about the success I have had in reversing FIP in one of my kittens. I pulled three six-week-old kittens from a kill shelter last June and they have been healthy, happy and thriving. Then, following their FVRCP vaccinations on October 8, 10 days later one of them, Chuckie, began with chronic high fevers, lethargy and inappetence. When he didn't rebound in a few days, I, like so many others, took him for conventional veterinary treatment which consisted of the routine antibiotics and steroids. When he did not respond to their treatment they simply returned a diagnosis of "Fever of Unknown Origin," and sent me on my way, at which time I proceeded to a second, and yet a third "specialty" vet. They all returned the same diagnosis and basically dismissed Chuckie and me with no hope. I had no idea of what to do next but since I had seen such good results with intravenous vitamin C in my lymphosarcoma cat Linus (who is still alive nearly two years after his original diagnosis thanks to the treatments), I took Chuckie to my vet who performs the ascorbate treatments for me and Chuckie was started on IV ascorbic acid immediately. He received five days of the treatment but not consecutively and apparently at less then adequate dosages because though he seemed much improved by the fifth drip, we mistakenly stopped the drips thinking he would remain better and two days later he manifested with severe neurological symptoms and two days after that he was dead. At around the same time Chuckie was dying his sister Angelica then became sick with the identical symptoms and stopped eating and had some transient neurological involvement. This time, with the pain from Chuckie's death and failed conventional treatment still very fresh, I realized that if Angelica was going to be saved we would have to bypass conventional vet medicine and get her started on the intravenous ascorbate immediately. Her drips were begun on Tuesday, November 10 and according to the protocol of Wendell Belfield, DVM she was titrated up quickly to 2 grams per pound of body weight (she weighed 5 pounds and so she was receiving close to 10 grams of vitamin C intravenously by the third or fourth day). Vitamin C is a powerful virucidal and immune stimulant and because I work in this field, I am well familiar with the properties of this near miracle supplement. See http://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorbate/198x/smith-lh-clinica l_guide_1988.htm for information as to why and how vitamin C kills viruses. As of November 19, 2009 Angelica has received nine intravenous ascorbic acid drips and again, we were able to successfully achieve the 2g per pound (10,000 mg at each drip) with no side effects whatsoever. After her 6th drip her fevers began to remain down overnight (as Belfield predicted would happen), and now after 9 drips she is eating, putting on weight, and her fevers are consistently gone. Though I'm always afraid to utter it aloud, especially after losing two other babies to what I now believe was FIP in both cases, Angelica appears to have beaten this despicable disease thanks to the power of intravenous ascorbate and the work of vitamin C pioneers like Linus Pauling and Dr. Wendell Belfield in vet medicine. Sally Snyder Jewell ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] introduction for Spicey
I would be a bit concerned about why he has been on clavamox for a year. That is a LONG time to be on any antibiotic. A decent quality food, as little stress as possible -not much you can do about the situation - and lots of love and careful attention to his health. Many of us give various supplements in hopes it will help keep the immune system strong. I don't think there is any hard data that most of what we give is not more for us than it is for the cat. I'm sure you will hear about a lot of different supplements, personally, I use Moducare. You are a good person for taking in this kitty. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of stargazer 12 Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 3:38 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] introduction for Spicey A very good friend passed away & her family didn't want the cat. Spicey has feline leukemia going on 2 years. I took the cat in & have him in a spare room away from my cats. He has been on clavamox for about 1 yr per my friend. I am waiting on the vet to call to find out all the specifics. Is there any special food/vitamins/drugs to help? I know nothing of this disease. I have been during research & says the cat should not be stressed. Unfortunately, Spicey has been stressed as his owner was in the hospital since last Tuesday. A neighbor was feeding him but he was hiding under the couch as he is very timid. And now he is in a strange place, so he has to be very stressed. It has been 3 hours & he has not come out of his carrier, I do not know if he will be friendly with me but he has not hissed at all. I think I maybe taking on too much but in a small way I feel like I am keeping my friend alive too. Any ideas/suggestions/advice will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Joyce & Spicey ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update
Sounds like you are well versed in the crf stuff. It's tough to watch these
old ones start to fail, I lost a couple of my old guys earlier this year, 17
and 18, had them since they were tiny kittens.
Gary
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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Belinda Sauro
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 1:33 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update
Hi Gary,
Yep, am on both CRF lists ... He's been getting fluids for about 3
1/2 years now, gets binders, potassium, heart meds and all kinds of
other goodies. He has been doing fairly well until the last 4 or 5
months, he has lost all muscle mass in both back legs and is starting to
really lose weight.
He is 18 1/2 and sleeps a lot but I guess at that age he as earned it!!
--
Belinda
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Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update
I don't believe I have seen any side effects listed anywhere and the two I have on it have just gotten their 4th shot with no noticeable side effects. One is just about 11 weeks old and pretty small, the other about 5 months and both seem to be doing fine. I don't really know if it would help with the stomatitis, but you can call the vet that is the company's technical assistance guy for Acemannan. It is made by VPL and their tech asst. page is http://www.vpl.com/techinfo.php Dr. Greg Biehle is his name and he is very good about talking to people about it. I talked to him and my vet talked to him. My vet said they were very impressed with him. Ask him about the stomatitis. I think he only works in the morning and has some days he is in surgery, but he will call you back. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jane Lyons Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 5:51 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update Gary are their side effects to the Acemannan? I have never heard about it from my vets, although they always seem the last to know. My cat is Felv but stable now although she has stomatitis. Do you think it might help? Thanks Jane ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update
Hi Belinda, OK, just didn't want him to miss out. I didn't realize he wasn't FeLV positive. I don't think the Acemannan would be of help with his CRF, Epogen is the way to go for that. Are you on the FCRF yahoo list? Lots of good info on just about every therapy and support for crf kitties there. They usually suggest you start Epogen at 20%, but 16% isn't bad. You may have mentioned this before, but do you have to give him fluids regularly? Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Belinda Sauro Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 3:33 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update Gary, I tried the test with a used syringe and Fred's fur wasn't anywhere near that wet yesterday so I think I figured out what happened. When I tented and started giving him the shot, when he felt the epo going in he started to move and I pushed against him harder to keep him from pulling the syringe out so I think at that point the syringe may have gone in farther and out the other side ... but I think it was towards the end of the shot so didn't lose too much. I am going to give him a little extra tomorrow though, his HCT has been slowly dropping over 4 or 5 years, he was at 28% when we first diagnosed him hyper-t & CRF 4 years ago and I know he was CRF a good year before that, someone had been peeing a lot for a while but I couldn't pin point who. over the last year his HCT was between 24% and 20% but since a month ago it went to 16%. My vet checked for bleeding there isn't any so it is because of his CRF. We will check him again in 2 weeks after starting the epo. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Renee'
Yes, it is. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaryChristine Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 12:28 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Renee' hey, paula! has she been retested with the IFA? (folks, this is the group who sent a FeLV up to gary last year, was it? who can remember!) MC On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 1:21 PM, lexingtongrn wrote: > I have a gray/white cat we (SunsetFelines) rescued behind a used car lot. > She's 10-12 months old, > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update
Hi Belinda, Sorry your little kitty is so sick, an HCT of 16% is serious, but not yet critical. The critical part is how fast it is dropping, 10% and under is critical. I have had a couple that were so fast nothing could be done. Now the bad news, you missed. There wouldn't be much wetness from .15 cc and there won't be any if it goes in. The dosage is almost correct (probably close enough) but the actual correct dosage is .16 cc. If it were me, I would do it again, even if some of it got in, he needs the whole dose and a bit over won't hurt him. I have had a couple of misses myself and there is just what seems to be a tiny bit of wetness. If you want to check and see just how little fluid that really is, just use one of the old syringes and take up .15 of water and squirt it on his fur. I don't want to discourage you, but sometimes Epogen works and sometimes it doesn't. Also, it takes awhile to get the full benefit of it, sometimes as long as 2 - 3 weeks. Presently, I am trying Acemannan Immunostimulant on a couple of FeLV kittens and it seems to be working. The smaller kitten I didn't get a HCT on to start with, he had pale gums and a URI. The other had an HCT of 18%, after 3 shots of Acemannan (one a week) his HCT just before his fourth shot was 32%. Both kittens seem to be doing well now. I wish I had had some of this when I lost a couple of my adult FeLV cats that got really sick. I've spoken to the vet who did the trials and he said it brought some of the test cats back from death's door. Of course, it is not 100% effective, works for some and they lost some. He said about one third of the calls he gets about it are from vets who want to try it on their own FeLV or FIV cats. The down side of it is it is a little expensive and only a vet can buy it. My vet charges me $125 for four 10 ml vials and I think that may be his cost or close to it as I was told it was about $175. The protocol is one shot a week for 6 weeks and then one a month. It is dosed at 1 mg per kg. Fred would need 3.2 mg, the stuff is 1 mg per ml, so 10 mg per bottle or about 3 shots for Fred. The other downside is the first 6 shots are given IP (through the abdominal wall) so I have the vet do these and even he doesn't like it. The monthly shots can be given sub-q. The instructions say once it is mixed you have to use it in 4 hours, but the vet who did the trials said you can keep it in the fridge for a week or in the freezer for a month. The two kittens I have use almost a third of a bottle (it comes in two bottle pairs, one with the powder and one with saline) and you mix the saline with the powder. I have them save the saline bottle and after the first sots I have them take half of what is left and put it in the saline bottle and I freeze one and put one in the fridge. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Belinda Sauro Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 11:18 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update Gary, I got the 1ml 2000 IU and Fred weighs 7lb 2oz. I am using a insulin syringe that is 1/2 cc and was told to give Fred .15 or on the 15 line on the syringe. Does that sound right to you, his HCT was 16% on Tuesday, he got his first shot today and his fur felt wet after, not much but a bit, I hope I didn't miss and he didn't really get it. I was afraid to do more but he is so weak if I did miss I am really afraid he won't make it to Sunday when I give him the next dose. Any suggestions. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update
I thought I had answered this when the subject first came up, but with my memory, you never know. They don't have much of a website, it most has a few links to download forms. http://www.walmart.com/catalog/catalog.gsp?cat=538876 It is faster to just call them if you want to find out if they have what you are looking for and how much that will be. You can also have your vet or doctor call in the script. Phone number is 1-877-453-4566. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 8:55 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: MaryChristine Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update I NEVER HEARDOF WALMART SPECIALITY PHARMACY BEFORE. DORLIS MaryChristine wrote: > well, actually i very vaguely think that i might have been mentioned > years ago in terms of getting fluids, but since i'm not sure, i > wouldn't know where to find where i might have filed it! > > MC > > On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 5:26 PM, MaryChristine wrote: > > gary, is there a link to walmart's specialty pharmacy? i've never > > heard of it as an entity before > > > > thanks! > > > > MC > > > > -- > > Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! > > Maybe That'll Make The Difference > > > > MaryChristine > > Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) > > Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) > > > > > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] 2008 AAFP Feline Retrovirus Management
Since what the cat had is NOT a public health issue, the vet had absolutely no business refusing (she could recommend) to give you the cat back. What she did was to steal your cat and murder it. What would you have done if it were a pet? Did she charge you for euthanizing the cat? I would have, at the least, filed a formal complaint with the state veterinary licensing board. Actually, I don't know of any vet big enough to not give me a cat back, but that's just me. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Debbie Harrison Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 7:20 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] 2008 AAFP Feline Retrovirus Management Thanks, MCI sent a copy to my vet (the one that told me I couldn't have my stray back because he would infect all of the neighborhoodshe euthanized him)...grr.. Debbie (COL) "Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle" Philo > From: twelvehousec...@gmail.com > Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 19:09:06 -0400 > To: FeLVTalk@felineleukemia.org; felvpositivec...@yahoogroups.com; purring...@yahoo.com > Subject: [Felvtalk] 2008 AAFP Feline Retrovirus Management > > for those who haven't seen it--or to play out for your vet! > > http://www.catvets.com/professionals/guidelines/publications/index.aspx?ID=3 23 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] New Here w/Questions
Hi Ellie, A long trip and a new home can be stressful for a kitty and should be considered, although, I have FeLV kitties flown to me from across the country with no noticeable effect. I think I would be more concerned that your sibling is simply not going to have much of any time to care for a kitty. Of course, a cat usually doesn't require a whole lot of care and they do well in apartments, but if Brie becomes ill, whether it is a simple URI or something more serious, will your sibling have the time to care for Brie? If Brie goes to NY, there is no need to inform anyone of her FeLV status as it only effects cats and I assume she will always be in the apartment. Lysine is not, as thought by many, a general immune booster. For a general immune booster you might want to look into Transfer Factor, DMG, or Moducare, although, as far as I know, there is no real evidence as to how effective any of them really are. There are also others, but the most important things for Brie are a quality food, low stress, fast response to any indication of illness and lots of love. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ellie Foster Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 1:35 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] New Here w/Questions Hello, Im new here, my name is Ellie. I joined because my "niece" kitty, Brie, is one year old and was diagnosed with FeLV about a month ago with a faint positive result (she is supposed to be retested in 2 months). My question is - my sibling is planning a move across quite a few states (USA), about 12-14 hours travelling by car, to New York City. Her job will keep her very occupied, literally up to 20 hours a day!! (I couldnt do it lol). No one knew Brie was + until last month because my sister never took her to the vets after finding her outside, alone, at about 4 weeks old. So, I finally convinced my sis to let me take Brie in to be spayed, vaccinated, tested - and, that is when we got the diagnosis. Just wondering, vet said that stress on kitty is *bad* - is this type of fairly long-distance move something that qualifies as stressful? (will ask the vet of course too!) Has anyone used lysine supplements in an FeLV kitty? Will my sister encounter any problems in trying to rent an apartment with an FeLV+ cat? I ask because I can easily give Brie a home; I have no other kitties (anymore - both of my elderly (16 &19) baby boy cats passed on early this year, one of CRF, the other of a sudden massive stroke, within 2 months of each other). And if I can help Brie live a longer, happy life, I would be incredibly glad to do so. Brie knows my house, my family, has stayed with us up to 3 weeks in the past when my sister has been out of town on business. And I love the little baby Brie anyway! Just want her to live the best life possible, and am debating offering - again - to let kitty live with me. Thank you so much for your help & info! Ellie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] New to FLV and have a cat that just tested positive...
Sorry your kitty has tested positive. Since you are considering vaccinating Bea, are you assuming she is still/originally negative?Perhaps, it was Bea who infected Sylvia, you should test Bea ASAP. Since I started to take in FeLV cats, I have had two young adults and one kitten manage to throw off the virus and now test negative. Although, my understanding is that once they test positive on the IFA test, converting to negative is very rare. If it was Sylvia who had it in the first place and the kitten has been with her for two months and doesn't have it, she probably won't get it, but I would still vaccinate if she is negative. It takes a series of two shots and about 4 or 5 weeks to develop the full immunity the vaccine gives. There are a lot of things out there that people are using for immune boosters and you can see some of the treatment things on the website, some are available and some are not, forget Staph Protein A, you can't get it. I have tried Immuno Regulin and it didn't help my guys. Best Friends in Utah uses it as a immune booster once a month administered Sub-Q. Since I have it, I have been considering giving it a try. It is very hard to determine if something you are using as an immune booster is actually doing anything. I am presently trying Acemannan on a couple of new positive kittens I have, we will see how that works. The best thing to give them is a good diet, low stress, plenty of love and vet quickly if they appear sick. After losing four to a very fast moving anemia, I check their gums frequently for signs of anemia. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Anna Waltman Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 4:12 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] New to FLV and have a cat that just tested positive... Hi everyone, I've been lurking around for the last day or two reading your posts. My darling Sylvia, the first cat I have owned as an adult, just tested positive for FLV on both the in-office and IFA tests. She's one of my best friends and I'm devastated; she was negative as a kitten and has lived inside for most of her life (as a little baby, she was a stray-- I adopted her from the SPCA at five months, and I know she was there for a while before I adopted her). She was given a confident all-clear by my former vet to move with me to Massachusetts and live in a multiple-cat household less than three months ago. Upon moving, it became obvious that Sylvia doesn't like being left alone in the apartment for long periods of time (prior to our move, we lived with my retired parents and their two dogs so she was almost never home alone). I decided to adopt a kitten, Beatrice, a few weeks after we moved in, after Sylvia had gotten comfortable in the apartment. So when Sylvia started meowing strangely and acting a little lethargic, I assumed it was a kitty flu but took her to the vet anyway, just to be safe, and tested her just to be absolutely sure she was still negative. What a horrible surprise. She's been living with Bea for a month or two now and they're best friends; they wrestle all the time, share food bowls, groom each other, etc. I feel sick with guilt about bringing a young kitten into a house with a FLV+ cat, and now chances are I have two positive cats to care for. Our current vet is wonderful, though, and she feels that if we vaccinate Bea ASAP and keep a close eye on Sylvia (treating her problems as they arise), there's a good chance we can keep both of them healthy for a long time. She says she has other patients and co-workers with FLV+ and negative cats living in the same household who never pass it to each other. I'm feeding them a mix of Wellness and Innova ENVO and giving the kitten multivitamins to boost her immune system and help her fight off the exposure. I'm a young graduate student in an MA/PhD program and I don't have a ton of money. These kitties had been the most stable thing in my life and this diagnosis is totally eating me up, from the inside out. I love them to pieces and want to be the best cat-parent I can to my girls (having chronic illnesses myself that significantly increase my risk of certain health problems, I'm as empathic about this as anyone). The horrible potential of this disease breaks my heart every time I think about it. My childhood cat passed away a few months before I got Sylvia, and I can't bear to lose another one like that (he was very sick for a long time before he died, but we don't know what it was. Could've been FLV or FIV; he wasn't tested every year, though he was vaccinated. He was indoor/outdoor and a fighter). What do you wish you had known when your cat was first diagnosed, if anything? If there is any advice people have, I would appreciate it, and as I gain experience caring for my girls I w
[Felvtalk] Acemannan
Has anyone presently on the list ever used Acemannan for their FeLV positive cat(s)? Gary ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Q re Staph Protein A
Laurie, Interesting, I can tell you that my vet had the chance to use it about 10 years ago when he got some from a research project at his vet school and he said it was very effective in turning around anemia in FeLV cats. Also, I spoke with several distributors and it is definitely ONLY available for research (they were pretty tight about what research was) said they wouldn't sell it to my vet unless he could convince them with his application (written, not on the phone) to buy it, that he was doing a research project and would be producing a paper. It does not have any approval to be used as a treatment (like LTCI has) on any animal or human for any reason. If your vet can get it, please tell him to get it for me and he can ship it to my vet. I will gladly pay all costs to give this a try. Or, if anybody knows a biological researcher... Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Laurieskatz Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 5:04 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Q re Staph Protein A Here is our internal medicine veterinarian's response.. Laurie Hi Laurie - I do know a little about this product. The most recent studies looking at this product showed that it did not help kitties with FeLV, which is why it isn't routinely recommended. Because of this, I have never used it. I suppose if someone wanted to try it anyway they would have to contact the drug distributors to see how to get their hands on it. I don't think it is only for research purposes, but can't say that for sure. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Administrative List
I see it. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ter...@tazzys.org Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 10:23 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: James Wilson Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Administrative List Hello, Can anyone read this? TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUE Sultan, WA. 98294 Terrie Mohr-Forker http://tazzys.org/ 501(c)3 Non-Profit national rescue. All donations are tax deductible. http://www.hurricanepetsrescue.org/ Copyright © 2007-2009 Tazzy's.org. All rights reserved. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] First Doses of Imulan For Murphy & Rosie
Hi, Glad your kitty is testing negative. Could you answer a few questions, please? How old is you cat? How long ago did he test positive for FeLV? Did he test positive on an IFA test, or just the SNAP test? How many LTCI shots has he had? And why is he on an immune modulator like LTCI and at the same time on an immune suppressant like pred.? Thanks, Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Hotmail Junk Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 7:01 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] First Doses of Imulan For Murphy & Rosie I wish you the best! My cat uses the same medication & has tested negative for leukemia for the last few months. We have no idea if it is the injections or what. He is also on Prednisolone & has bi-weekly blood test to check levels. We just take one day at a time. Hang in there! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] ADMIN: testing the list
Looks like the list is working. I have a question/info for you. On the web site it talks about a number of different treatments that have and are, being tried for feline leukemia. One of those that looked especially encouraging is Staph Protein A. My vet had some from his vet school about 10 years ago and found that it really did help with cases of anemia. I have done some looking and even though Staph Protein A is readily available from a number of places, is not terribly expensive and does work, you can't get it. It is not approved as a treatment for any animal or human, it is strictly for research only. Pretty much that means unless you are a legitimate biological researcher, they won't sell it to you. It seems a shame that there is a product with a known ability to help and we can't get it. If anyone on the list knows of a source for it, please contact me off list. Thanks, Gary gcru...@centurytel.net -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of James G Wilson Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 1:21 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] ADMIN: testing the list Hey all, I'm just testing the list since there hasn't been any activity since Monday. I hope no news is good news for everyone here. Please let me know if you're having any problems with the list. I'm always happy to assist. Best wishes to all. James G. Wilson - phaed...@charter.net ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question about A/D
It is a prescription food and you can only buy it from a vet. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sander, Sue Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 5:58 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about A/D Where do you buy A/D? Is that the REAL name if I went into a store? Susan ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Imulan and Autumn update
I do hope that Autumn gets better with the LTCI. If she comes back by any means from a HCT level of 4%, it will be quite a feat. Just a couple of comments. First, as far as I have seen, there is very little science to back up Imulan's claims. There have been no real trials, just short term, limited and sometimes not well controlled or documented, "experiments". Second, if they are more than happy to talk to you, they have changed their ways since I called. When I called (some months ago) they would not discuss any technical info with me and when my vets office called they wouldn't discuss it with anyone but the vet himself. I would love it if they would run a real trial, but I fear they are now making so much money as things are right now, they will never do it. They just ran a very short (couple of months) trial of using LTCI on cats with the dry form of FIP. There is a lady on the FIP list that had several of her allegedly FIP positive cats in the trial. The criteria for getting a cat into the trial excluded cats with some of the most common symptoms of dry FIP and did not even require complete blood work. They seemed to concentrate on a feline corona virus titer test, which, even the company who makes it admits does not diagnose FIP, it is only an indicator. For Autumn's sake I hope it works. There have been reports of it helping and reports of it not doing anything noticeable. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of jbero tds.net Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 10:25 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Imulan and Autumn update Hello everyone, I wanted to give you an update on Autumn and the TCLI injection(Imulan). When I brought her to the emergency center last Tuesday, she was starting with respiratory distress and crying out. Her hematocrit was 4%. She was on her way out. She got the transfusion - they called me about 1/4 of the way through and told me they didn't think she'd make it. She did. Since she's been home, each day her energy is improving. I got the second injection of TCLI and administered it on Saturday. Everyday she's looking better. She's sitting up, walking and drinking independently. This may only be the effects of the transfusion, so I am holding off judgement for now. I will be getting a CBC this week to see what we're dealing with. In the meantime, I am praying, and have her on Ambrotrose (a glycoprotein supplement thought to help in the fight against felv), vitamin supplements and intermittently transfer factor. She hemolyzed (destroyed) many of the red blood cells after the transfusion as she turned yellow (jaundice - secondary to breakdown of hemoglobin) but clinically her energy is improving and her alertness returning. I will keep you updated. I pray that there is hope in this injection. It seems to me that the science is pretty sound. Most vets aren't aware of this product and have a lot of suspicion surrounding any treatment to felv+. It is reasonable since their vet school training told them it was a fatal and untreatable disease. Most of us have experienced that first hand. I had to search long and hard to find a vet that could help me, but if you call Imulan directly they are happy to talk with you or your vet. I have nothing but good experiences with them so far. We shall see, good luck everyone. Jenny ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Darcy Is An Angel Now
My first FeLV kitty to die had the rear legs stop working and he was unable to eliminate on his own. They checked and it was not a clot, they believed it to be a neurological problem. Most cats with a clot are - as you described - in a lot of pain. With my boy there didn't seem to be any pain. I have seen several others post about similar problems in FeLV cats, I guess it is one of the things that can happen to them. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 3:45 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: Jody Butler Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Darcy Is An Angel Now Dr. Fox had a letter in his column recently from a lady whose cat suddenly lost control of her back legs and was screaming constantly. he said this often happens expecially with older cats. they develope a blood clot and it lodges in the spie just before the hind legs, causing paralysis. if you get to the hospital fast enough, can remove/disolve the clot releaving the painand paralysis. not so with an older cat, they usually cnnot take the anethesia. dorlis Jody Butler wrote: ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Urgent! FeLV cat -New Jersey- I need to find him a Sanctuary
Perhaps, it is just a different way of looking at a situation. If I paid that kind of money to place my cat there I would expect them to move heaven and earth to care for that cat for the rest of its life. That is, in fact, just what people are doing and I think it would be a breach of contract for someone who was paid 5 to 10 thousand to care for a cat for life, to adopt it out to someone else that has no contractual obligation to me. As MC said, it is a sanctuary, not a shelter. If I had 5 to 10 thousand to place a cat there, I would definitely be flying there to see the place, getting references from others, vet references, etc., etc. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 8:05 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Urgent! FeLV cat -New Jersey- I need to find him a Sanctuary That's really the bottom line. Someone has to visit the place in person. If I paid that kind of money to surrender one of my cats, I would expect whoever took the money would move heaven and earth to find the cat a real home. I really expect that any remotely adoptable cat will at least be listed for adoption. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Urgent! FeLV cat -New Jersey- I need to find him a Sanctuary
I wouldn't say having only 10 cats listed for adoption is necessarily suspicious. It is - at least partly - a sanctuary and not an adoption center. If I paid from five to ten thousand to get a cat in there, I would probably expect he is going to stay for life, why else would I pay that kind of money? It doesn't appear to be so huge that the cats wouldn't get any individual attention. Overcrowding is much less like when the entry fee is that high. This doesn't mean it is a good place, we just don't know. Do we have anyone in that area who could take a look? Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 1:18 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Urgent! FeLV cat -New Jersey- I need to find him a Sanctuary Hmmm. Only 10 cats listed for adoption on their petfinder site. And only one of those, an FIV+ boy, is listed as special needs. This also makes me suspicious about the long term viability of the place. You have to be committed to finding homes for the cats. They need human families, attention, and they won't get that in a giant sanctuary setting. And if you're not focused on adoptions, you have to strictly limit your intake to avoid becoming overwhelmed. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Urgent! FeLV cat -New Jersey- I need to find him a Sanctuary
Never heard of them, but the place sure looks spiffy. And the price they get to take a cat should more than cover its care and the upkeep on the property. Now if I could get a few donations like that. Heck, if I got any donations Ah, I would probably just spend it foolishly on stuff like cat food, litter and vet bills anyway. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaryChristine Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 1:03 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Urgent! FeLV cat -New Jersey- I need to find him a Sanctuary http://www.loveandhopeforanimals.org/ has anyone ever heard of these folks before? i find it really scary how many sanctuaries keep appearing, with no history in the FIV/FeLV community. MC ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Staph Protein A
He did, but I believe he also said he was a researcher. I spoke to them the other day and they said they only sell to researchers as Staph Protein A is not authorized for any kind of treatment or other use with animals. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 12:55 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Staph Protein A Oh, my mistake. I thought I read that he got some from Sigma Aldrich. I'll have to go back and read more. Amy --- On Mon, 8/10/09, gary wrote: > From: gary > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Staph Protein A > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 1:07 PM > It won't matter much if we can't > figure out how to get some. Anybody out > there with a biological research company who would be > willing to buy us some > Staph Protein A for the "research" on our kitties? > > Gary > > -Original Message- > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] > On Behalf Of Amy > Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 9:54 AM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Staph Protein A > > Hi Hebert, > > Do you mind if I forward this info to my vet so she can > give me her opinion > on Staph Protein A? > > Thanks > Amy > > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Research into FeLV: was Staph Protein A
I haven't heard that anyone is presently doing any research on felines with Staph Protein A. What would really be frustrating would be to find someone to do it and have great success and then not be able to get Staph Protein A because it is not authorized as a drug or treatment for anything. Maybe we could get the USDA to give a provisional license like LTCI has if we can get someone to do a research project. As you know, LTCI did not have a LOT of data when they got the license for that. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaryChristine Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 10:08 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Research into FeLV: was Staph Protein A wow, hebert, thank you for these great posts! (and your english is better than many who claim to be native speakers.) i have always been under the impression, tho, that FIV, not FeLV, was considered by researchers to be more analogous to HIV/AIDS (an early hypothesis which i believe has been adequately disproven), even tho it appears to those of us who aren't scientists but have done the best reading they can that FeLV is much closer in manner of transmission, manifestation, and course. gary, have pedersen or levy done any work with this? they're the two folks, off-hand, that i can think of who have consistently continued actually researching FeLV--susan little, as well, seems to have been fairly on top of what research is going on. might they know about any researchers currently working on this? i remember when i first got involved with FeLV, from living at a sanctuary, and i was asking why no one was doing safe, minimally invasive research on the three main populations of FeLVs in the countries, at that time Best Friends, us, and Angel Wings (in terms of population size)--i was told then that answering the questions that folks on this list and others were already asking would probably require catching the interest of a drug company, as private or academic researchers wouldn't likely have the funding. (back to my usual comment about how difficult it is to do research on a population that is regularly treated by immediate euthanasia.) i'm not sure how many folks here really realize that a great deal of research on genetic conditions in cats could not have come about without the involvement--and fundraising--on the part of breeders, determined to eradicate killers in their own breeds (HCM in maine coons and bengals immediately comes to mind.) FeLV owners aren't as identifiable an entity as cattery owners, and while their emotional investment is just as great, i'm not sure how to mobilize "us" to perhaps do the same for this illness. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Staph Protein A
It won't matter much if we can't figure out how to get some. Anybody out there with a biological research company who would be willing to buy us some Staph Protein A for the "research" on our kitties? Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 9:54 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Staph Protein A Hi Hebert, Do you mind if I forward this info to my vet so she can give me her opinion on Staph Protein A? Thanks Amy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] More Hemobart
Hemobart is around quite a bit, but many times it doesn't show on the test even if there are symptoms, because the number of parasites in the blood varies and are sometimes not detected. Hemobart cannot be cured, a good immune system or enough doxy will make it go and hide and do no harm, but it is still there and a drop in the immune system with stress, trauma or illness can bring it out. If in doubt, I would just treat him for it anyway. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 9:12 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] More Hemobart Ok, so I took my FIV+ cat in for her check up and her HCT was 29%, low for her and the same as Wolfie's was a month ago. We checked her for hemobart and she has also come back positive for the same organism as Wolfie, M. haemominutum. I have never had fleas in my home that I'm aware of. All my cats go every 6 months for full check-ups. I'm going to take my other 2 in next week to get checked but am wondering if anybody else has tested for hemobart. I read somewhere that leuk positive cats are predisposed to testing positive for this. I've also read it's not contagious so I'm stunned by the fact that cats from different locations, brought in at different times, have this. I'm hoping that this may be the cause of Wolfie's anemia/weight loss now that I see Sierra's HCT is possibly being affected by it as well. Fingers crossed that I'm dealing with anemia due to this and not nonregenerative anemia. My vet says hemobart is not that common so I'm curious how many others have come across it in. All my cats have had numerous blood smears done (every 6 months for the past 5-6 years) and have never shown any sign of hemobart. Amy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Staph Protein A
Herbert, Thank you very much for the reply. I guess I will have to see if I can find someone with a research company or university who would purchase it for me as I have not found anyone doing and research with FeLV cats at this time. If I am thinking of the same study that had a 28% positive outcome, they said if you didn't count the very sick cats who died after only one or two treatments, it was 46%. What protocol did you use on your cats and for how long? Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of hebert ferrarezzi Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 8:58 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Staph Protein A Dear Gary I have used Staphoccocal Protein-A, from Sigma Aldrich: Product: P6031 - 1MG, Protein A from Staphylococcus aureus; Soluble, essentially salt-free, lyophilized powder; or Product: P3838 - 1MG, Protein A from Staphylococcus aureus; Soluble, Cowan Strain, essentially salt-free, lyophilized powder. http://www.sigmaaldrich.com/etc/medialib/docs/Sigma/productinformationsheet2 /p3838pis.Par.0001.File.tmp/p3838pis.pdf It is important to note that transgenic Protein A expressed in Escherichia colli, although having the same immunoglobulin binding properties, does not have the same superantigenic properties as the native one. The difference may be due to a bit of contamination with other superantigens from Staphlococcus aureus (perhaps with staph entherotoxin-A during product extraction and purification). So the transgenic version does not serve to our intent. This product is currently used as a chemical reagent, and not as a medication (except in experimental studies). You have to register before buying and affiliation to some university or research institute is wanted (maybe you can get an aid from another person). Although I am a researcher, I was not made any experiment with my FelV+ cats, so I cannot be sure if apparently hopeful outcomes were not merely by chance. I just think the subject merits more attention, considering the earlier surprising results obtained by scientists. I am also aware of a subsequent statistically controlled study carried on by Vet-researchers found no significant difference from the placebo group. But I am also aware that unknown variables, then unsuspected (such a little bit of contamination mentioned above, certainly a trait neither standard nor regularly desired by the fabricants), can account for different results obtained by different researchers in different circumstances. By the way, tree of my four FelV+ cats have already gone (crossed the bridge as you say), Pupa and Mãe victims of lymphoma, and Porchops due an idiopathic cystitis (apparently not felv-related). All the four got considerable improvement in most blood counts during and after treatment and never suffered from FelV-related opportunistic infections. Jorge, the one that remains in this world, is doing very fine, thanks, being asymptomatic up to now. Early experiments using protein A have reported that 28% of the cats respond positively to the treatment. I think the attempt was not deceiving yet. Best wishes for you all. Hebert ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update
I didn't price what Walmart charges for multiple vials, might even be cheaper. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 9:09 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update Hi Gary, This makes more sense. I saw you said you gave a dose of 100 units and I was thrown since my vet told me to dose at 100 units per KG. The price is actually pretty similar that way because you have 4 doses at $30 or 24 doses at $240. My vet's quote was for Procrit, 24 doses (500U/dose, dosed at 100U/kg). I will definitely let her know about the Walmart specialty pharmacy, though, since it's still about $40 less. Thanks for that info. It will be nice to not have to start with buying 24 doses right from the start since this will be our first time trying it. Amy > I made a "slight" error when typing > below, it should say a dose is 100 units > PER KG, not just 100 units. How many doses one vial > gives you depends on > the size of your cat. For mine it is 5 doses, just > about enough to see if > it is working. You start with 3 times a week and as > you approach your > target level of hemocrit, you start cutting back to twice a > week and monitor > results and then to once a week and if you get lucky, maybe > to once every 10 > - 14 days. It just depends on how the hemocrit level > responds. Here is a > link to an article you may find helpful. > http://www.felinecrf.org/anaemia.htm#epogen_eprex_procrit > > > Your vet is over the edge on prices, just have him call it > in to the Walmart > Specialty Pharmacy at 1-877-453-4566. You will also > need U100 insulin > syringes, they are .5ml maximum and are marked for .01ml > minimum so it is > pretty easy to draw up the units you need. > > Gary > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update
It came FedEx overnight in a little styrofoam cooler with two ice packs that were still mostly frozen. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Belinda Sauro Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 12:04 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update Gary, Make sure it has been kept cold or it is worthless. It should be kept in the fridge and not shaken. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update
Procrit and Epogen are exactly the same product. It is made by the same company, but labeled as Procrit for another company that sells it. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sharyl Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 9:35 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update Amy, check on the Anemia board. I believe that fewer shots/wk are required with the Procrit than the Epogen. In the end I think the cost is pretty much a wash. Sharyl ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update
I made a "slight" error when typing below, it should say a dose is 100 units PER KG, not just 100 units. How many doses one vial gives you depends on the size of your cat. For mine it is 5 doses, just about enough to see if it is working. You start with 3 times a week and as you approach your target level of hemocrit, you start cutting back to twice a week and monitor results and then to once a week and if you get lucky, maybe to once every 10 - 14 days. It just depends on how the hemocrit level responds. Here is a link to an article you may find helpful. http://www.felinecrf.org/anaemia.htm#epogen_eprex_procrit Your vet is over the edge on prices, just have him call it in to the Walmart Specialty Pharmacy at 1-877-453-4566. You will also need U100 insulin syringes, they are .5ml maximum and are marked for .01ml minimum so it is pretty easy to draw up the units you need. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 8:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update Hi Gary, How many shots does that vial give you? I'm trying to figure out the expense of Epogen. My vet quoted me $277 for Procrit and she said it was almost double that at the other pharmacy she uses. I need to do the math to figure out how many doses that $277 is for but it sounds like your deal is way better. Amy > I had the vet call in a prescription > to the Walmart Specialty Pharmacy. > > It was $30.68 for a 1ml 2000 unit vial and they shipped it > FedEx overnight > for free. Got it about an hour ago and have already > given the first shot > (100 units). As long as it is given Sub-q, I do it > myself (shots, fluids, > etc.). > > I am looking into Staph Protein A which showed a lot of > promise in treating > FeLV back in the mid 80s. This is given with a shot > into the abdominal > cavity - I think I will be letting the vet do that. > > Gary > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Staph Protein A
Has anyone on the list ever used Staph Protein A for treatment of FeLV cats? If so, where did you get it? I just talked with two of the manufacturers that are listed on the Felineleukemia.org site and both said they could not sell it except to a research facility. They said if a vet wanted it, he would have to be doing a research study and his application for it would be reviewed by the company to see if they though he met their criteria. They would not sell it simply for treatment use. I will keep looking, but it seems a shame that something with all the promise of Staph Protein A (and a LOT cheaper than LTCI) can't be purchased to save kitties. Gary ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update
I had the vet call in a prescription to the Walmart Specialty Pharmacy. It was $30.68 for a 1ml 2000 unit vial and they shipped it FedEx overnight for free. Got it about an hour ago and have already given the first shot (100 units). As long as it is given Sub-q, I do it myself (shots, fluids, etc.). I am looking into Staph Protein A which showed a lot of promise in treating FeLV back in the mid 80s. This is given with a shot into the abdominal cavity - I think I will be letting the vet do that. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sander, Sue Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 2:04 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update Gary, What do you mean you are expecting a delivery of Epogen. Don't you need to get this from your vet? I'm new to all of this. Susan ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update
Hi Amy, I am expecting to delivery of the Epogen for one of my FeLV positives today. I will let everyone know how it works out. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 9:00 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update Thanks for the info. I've joined the anemia group and am reading up on it. Has anybody on this list tried the Epogen for a leuk pos cat that is anemic? I read a lot about Epogen being very effective for anemia and I read about people using it for CRF. Just wondering what sort of experiences people have had using it for non-regenerative anemia not due to CRF. Thanks Amy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Introduction - Rebecca
Many cats are naturally immune to FeLV. We each have to make our own decisions, but if I were in your situation I would not put Becca down and would let her continue to live with the others. I think it quite unlikely - especially after being vaccinated - that they would contract FeLV. Of course, there are no guarantees. Also, you would have to consider very carefully if you were going to bring another kitty into the house while you still have Becca. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Iva Lark Emily Seaberg Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 11:51 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Introduction - Rebecca My 2 year old cat Rebecca (Becca) was diagnosed with FeLV on Friday. A brief history: I adopted Becca, along with another kitty Katherine, from PetSmart when they were a few months old. They had both been tested FeLV negative. But I did notice that a week after I brought them home Becca developed large lymph nodes around her neck that disappeared in a few weeks. I thought nothing of it and thought maybe she was fighting something off. They both came home with ringworm so the vet and I assumed Becca was just reacting to it pretty badly. Almost a year later I adopted two kittens (Kiera and Casanova) from my neighbor, both FeLV negative. Shortly after I brought them home and around the time they both got spayed/neutered at the SPCA one of them (Kiera) developed the same swollen lymph nodes. Well, a few months ago Kiera was diagnosed with FeLV and was in the end stages. She was only 11 months old. I had no choice but to put her to sleep. By the time she was diagnosed she already had several large tumors in her body, had stopped eating, and one of the tumors was blocking her intestines. There was no hope for her. It was extremely hard to take as she was the only furbaby I had really bonded with at that point. Well the vet said to wait a few months and test my remaining kitties. We still have no idea how they got it, but I wonder if it happened at PetSmart or the SPCA? They are all indoor cats and have never been exposed to other kitties outside of those two experiences. Anyway, we tested my three remaining cats and one was positive. She has no symptoms aside from some bad gum inflammation. She's fairly healthy and extremely active. The vet recommended I put her to sleep to protect the other cats. I initially agreed and the appt is scheduled for tomorrow. However, after researching and looking around it appears that 1. If the other cats haven't caught it by now chances are they might not. The sick kitty is 2 years old, the healthy kitties are 2 years old and 15 months old. 2. I had the healthy kitties vaccinated against FeLV on the vet's recommendation and think that after they get their boosters the odds might be even slimmer of them getting infected. For now I have isolated Becca to my master bedroom/bathroom. I was planning on releasing her in three weeks after the other two kitties get their booster shots. Am I making the right call? If I put Becca to sleep and the others eventually test positve then I will be crushed! But I don't want to continue to risk them either. It looks like based on my research it is rare for adult cats to get FeLV, and if they have already been exposed for so long (over a year) and are currently negative then aren't the odds good? I have to call the vet tomorrow to cancel the euthanasia and ask for some antibiotics instead, and I want to have some good reasons to give her for my change of heart, along with some good documentation she can research. I figure I can always use the next three weeks to think the decision through but if I put her down I can't take it back. I don't know how much longer I'd have with her... but doing this when she is so healthy just doesn't sit with me. I should add, I got these four kitties to replace my last kitty, who died from Renal Failure. He was given a few months to live and lived for three years under my care. I'm not afraid of a little work if it means quality of life for her and more time together with minimal risk to my other angels. Help?? Iva ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Have I done enough to open the room where our beautiful little FELV+ kitty died?
The FeLV virus is quite fragile outside of the body and doesn't live long at all. It should be perfectly safe to let the other kitties in there now. You didn't say how old she was, but she may have had it since she was a small kitten. I know how you feel, I have recently lost several of my FeLV kitties and have another who is sick now. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of catatonya Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 12:55 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Have I done enough to open the room where our beautiful little FELV+ kitty died? are your other cats vaccinated? if so I would go ahead. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] websitefor aging kitties
There is a Yahoo group called geriatric-cats. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Helene R. Hand Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 11:13 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] websitefor aging kitties Hi, You'all, Is there a website like ours with member participation for routine (healthy) geriatric cat care.this is for a friend of mine.who really needs some good advice about her aging cat Sneakers Helene ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Remove me from email list
Why not just go to the URL at the bottom of every message http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org scroll to the bottom of the page and follow the instructions to unsubscribe? -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Holly Cohen Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 10:42 AM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Remove me from email list Please remove me. The 2nd request that I sent bounced back. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ebony and FELV
I would go ahead and treat for Hemobart anyway, many times it does not show on the test. I have no experience with Epogen, but I have seen others state that it worked for them. It is possible for a cat to develop a resistance to Epogen after awhile, but might still be worth it for the extra time it should give you with Ebony. With Immunoregulin, if you don't see improvement very quickly, it is not going to work. I would continue with pettinic or some other supplement with iron. I hope Ebony's HCT level has not gotten too low or the Epogen won't have time to work without a transfusion. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Grahame Lippert Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 5:19 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Ebony and FELV Hi my name is Grahame and my 2 year old cat Ebony has diagnosed with FELV about a month ago. She was also anemic. That vet pretty much said there was nothing that could be done. We then went to a second vet and had some more tests done. She tested negative for hemobartonella and she had non regenetive anemia. I asked the vet about Imuunoregulin and epogen. She decided we should start Ebony on the immunoregulin and she has been on this for 2 weeks for a total of 6 shots. I have also been giving her pettiinic during this time. Ebony actually had improved on her condition 2 weeks ago, before we started the immunoregulin. Now its 2 weeks later and I can tell she is more anemic by the way she is acting and the color of her tongue. I am going to the vet tonite to get her blood counts. What should I try for my Ebony? I'm willing to try anything albeit reasonably priced. Prednisone? Epogen? Could it still be Hemobartonella? Thank you in advance for the help Grahame Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question about A/D
It is Hill's Prescription Diet a/d. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sander, Sue Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 11:53 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about A/D But is it simply called A/D with Banfield? What is Banfield? Thanks, Susan -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Debbie Harrison Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 12:52 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about A/D I'm almost certain it is made by Hill's Science Diet Debbie (COL) "Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle" Philo ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Freezing meds.....
Personally, I don't see why the amount of dilution should make any difference in whether you can freeze it or not, but if you took a 3 million unit vial and diluted it to 30 units per ml, it would take up quite a lot of freezer space as you would have one thousand, 100 ml containers to freeze and store instead of 1000, one ml containers. There is certainly plenty of CMA in the medical field. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 4:04 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Freezing meds..... Gary, we all count on you for info. on our vet meds, so thanks. As for freezing stuff... I freeze all my meds, vet meds and human meds. I've had human meds in the freezer as long as ten years and they still work fine. I've also had Clavamox in the freezer for two years past the expiration date and it works fine. I've asked several pharmacists about freezing meds, and they all say not to do it, BUT I wonder if they have to say this to cover their butts just in case. There is a lot of CMA in the medical field. What are your thoughts on this? Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] interferon alpha
The dilution is just simple math, if you divide 3 million by 1000, you get 3000. Then, if you divide 3000 by 100, you get 30. I don't know if you'd get much info about freezing it from a pharmacist, it's made for humans to take as one shot, not to dilute and save. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaryChristine Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 1:33 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] interferon alpha i'd call another pharmacist, actually, and ask or maybe look it up in the merck manual (human or vet)? On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 1:11 AM, Gloria B. Lane wrote: > Hey Gary - OK - I'll have to see what I'm getting from the vet here, and > see if my freezing is at the right time. These figures were from Island > Pharm. But I usually don't mix again after the initial mixing. And I know > he gives me 1000 ml saline. > > Thanks for the insight - > > Gloria > > > > > On Jun 8, 2009, at 10:23 PM, gary wrote: > > Gloria, >> >> Slight math error, 3 million units cut with 1000 ml of saline gives you >> 3000 >> units per ml and this can be frozen indefinitely. You usually break that >> up >> into one ml containers and freeze. When you need one, thaw it out and cut >> with 100 ml of saline and that gives you 30 IU per ml. Island always said >> you shouldn't freeze it after the final dilution, but I don't know if that >> is true or not. >> >> Gary >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org >> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane >> Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 9:20 PM >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> Subject: [Felvtalk] interferon alpha >> >> I haven't bought any interferon alpha in a while. The Island Pharmacy >> article on interferon alpha is here: >> http://www.islandpharmacy.com/site/1420401/page/769212 >> >> Somewhere I read and heard that it was ok to refreeze it, so have been >> doing that but the Island Pharmacy article says not to do that. >> >> I know that there are a lot of diverse "views" and not always "truths" >> known about oral low dose interferon alpha. When I've bought it >> locally, I get a vial which contains "3 million units per 0.5ml" . >> This is mixed in with 1000 ml sterile saline solution, and yields 30 >> units per ml. . So at this point, Island Pharmacy says not to >> refreeze it. >> >> Just wondering if anyone has any other opinions or info on it? >> >> Thanks! >> >> Gloria >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> >> >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] interferon alpha
Gloria, Slight math error, 3 million units cut with 1000 ml of saline gives you 3000 units per ml and this can be frozen indefinitely. You usually break that up into one ml containers and freeze. When you need one, thaw it out and cut with 100 ml of saline and that gives you 30 IU per ml. Island always said you shouldn't freeze it after the final dilution, but I don't know if that is true or not. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 9:20 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] interferon alpha I haven't bought any interferon alpha in a while. The Island Pharmacy article on interferon alpha is here: http://www.islandpharmacy.com/site/1420401/page/769212 Somewhere I read and heard that it was ok to refreeze it, so have been doing that but the Island Pharmacy article says not to do that. I know that there are a lot of diverse "views" and not always "truths" known about oral low dose interferon alpha. When I've bought it locally, I get a vial which contains "3 million units per 0.5ml" . This is mixed in with 1000 ml sterile saline solution, and yields 30 units per ml. . So at this point, Island Pharmacy says not to refreeze it. Just wondering if anyone has any other opinions or info on it? Thanks! Gloria ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Thoughts & Prayers Needed for Darcy
Something is very wrong, need to get her to a vet ASAP. If that vet says there is nothing wrong, go immediately to another vet. When I was working with a shelter we had a couple of female cats nearly die because of a mistake the vet made during surgery. He was not willing to admit he had screwed up the spays. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jody Butler Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 10:37 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Thoughts & Prayers Needed for Darcy Our sweet baby, Darcy, ten months old and FeLV+ was neutered on Tuesday. We brought her home Wednesday and she seemed okay, considering she'd just had surgery. Yesterday she was in more pain, but we just figured the pain shot they'd given that was supposed to be good for two days was wearing off. Today is even worse. I called the vet this AM. She suggested giving a baby aspirin, which I did before going to work. Tonight, she barely lifts her head and is mewing so pitifully. She ate some earlier in the day but won't eat tonight. I called the vet again, and she had me give 1/8 of an antibiotic and we'll bring her in tomorrow morning first thing. We've had other FeLV kitties neutered with no troubles, but I'm getting scared tonight. I just needed to share this tonight. Any encouraging words or suggestions are greatly appreciated! Jody (& Darcy) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] interferon alpha
I've heard it starts to get cloudy when it is going bad. I'd bet it should last 90 days. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 2:44 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] interferon alpha Notice that Island Pharmacy says the expiration is 90 days... hmmm. Gloria ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Fleas and Ticks
Not sure if there is a generic, but you can get Drontal in the cat size pill for $2.00 a pill at http://petsupplyexpress.com and that's as cheap as I have seen anywhere. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaryChristine Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 3:53 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fleas and Ticks kelley, isn't there now a generic for drontal? (i THINK it's you who mentioned it) MC On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 10:47 AM, POTT, BEVERLY wrote: > I, too, live in SC, and have found that Revolution works wonders on my > cats for keeping things under control... Unfortunately it doesn't kill > tapeworms, but it does kill roundworms and hookworms. I am lucky enough > to have a vet that will sell me the Droncit without seeing the animals. > > Beverly > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FRM VET ~ Inteferon source
That will give you about 330,000 doses, more than anyone would use in a lifetime. This is assuming you have the space to freeze 3,300 small containers before the final dilution. 8-) Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Laurieskatz Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 9:55 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] FRM VET ~ Inteferon source >From a vet friend who has FeLV+ cats. Laurie From: jennifer Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 9:31 AM To: Laurieskatz Subject: Re: Inteferon source Hey, it took me eight months to locate an inexpensive source after Roche stopped making Roferon. Compounding pharmacies want a fortune for it. If your vet has an account with Henry Schein, have him/her talk to the rep. about giving a contact for a rep. who works on the human medical part of Henry Schein. You can get a TEN MILLION unit vial for about $140, as I recall. Sounds expensive, but once diluted, will give more doses than you'll need for a single cat. Jenni ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Fleas and Ticks
You can get Drontal from http://petsupplyexpress.com for $2.00 a pill (for cats) and Frontline Plus 6 pack in the large doge size (one vial will do 8 cats) for $52.75 and their shipping is a flat $3.99. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of sheila...@aol.com Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 8:24 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Fleas and Ticks I have an outbreak of fleas on my eight felv+ cats brought home by my two dogs who like to run away every chance they get. I need to worm all my kitties .Can someone recommend worm med's that I can buy without a prescription. I can't afford to take all of them to a vet at one time. I also have to buy flea med's I'm thinking Frontline. I've never had much of a problem with parasites until this spring. Please help. Sheila in SC ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] YIKES
You could always formulate it yourself or get a vet tech to help you. It is a pain to do it, but one vial of full strength interferon will make more of the stuff for cats than you could use in a lifetime. Throw away the excess or share with someone. You have to freeze it after you cut it the first time. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jane Lyons Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 7:33 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] YIKES I have been following the horror story about the 21 horses in Florida who died mysteriously before a polo match. It has been discovered that the cause of death was a 'supplement' given mistakingly by FRANCKS COMPOUNDING LAB in Ocala Florida. Not only is this tragic for the poor, innocent horses, we have been using Franck's for Interferon Alpha for MeMe. I cannot imagine that Franck's will survive this error. I was told that they took over from Island Pharmacy for compounding Interferon. Does anyone have another source? My vet follows my leads on this and does not have a clue. I'd appreciate any information on this. I buy it monthly and have just 10 days left in this vial. Thanks Jane ___ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Immulin
I believe you are talking about a product called LTCI that is made by a company called Imulan their website is http://imulan.com The product is not related to IR. Some people have had very good success with LTCI and some have not. I don't believe there is any information about its effectiveness when used on asymptomatic cats and I would find it far too expensive to use as a simple immune booster. Assuming I had the money, I might give it a try for a symptomatic cat where you can tell if there is an improvement. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kerry MacKenzie Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 3:48 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Immulin Dear all, Does anyone have any experience in treating FeLV kitts with Immulin? My FelV foster's new forever mom just sent me the email extract below from her ex (who also adopts FeLV kitts). She is looking for any info on Immulin. I wonder if it's akin to Immuno Regulin, or even IR itself, re-packaged for cats (as opposed to dogs and horses)? I wonder about this guy being taken for a ride---even unintentionally--by his vet, as it sounds pricy. I've been trying to research on the web with no success. I've also been unable to dig up any more info on Immuno Regulin other than what I already read several years ago--mainly 2 articles by vets supporting use of IR by Dr Mike Lies, and Dr Karen Thomas, respectively. >>>Immulin - appears to be a scientific breakthrough that I am excited about. Results have been incredible. Its a boost to the immune system that in many cases has helped them to beat their diseases. The only issue is cost. It is a very expensive and intensive program. I am also uncertain about the stress of making him go to the vet so often and taking the shots themselves. Doctor thinks pros outway cons by far, I am a little less convinced of that but still excited about the possibilities here.<<< Any info on Immulin, or (more up to date) info on IR would be very welcome. Incidentally, one Google result showed an email from a guy that said Dr Karen Thomas' experiences were available on "Jim's website". He may mean this website -- James's -- but I've never seen anything from a Dr Karen Thomas here?? Hugs to all and good health wishes to all your kitts, Kerry M. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Has anyone here used Vetricine for immune boosting
But how much of a dose of interferon was in the 1 cc? Usual oral dose for cats is 30 IU a day. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of souther...@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 3:41 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Has anyone here used Vetricine for immune boosting 1 cc a day for 7 days and then off for 7 days.? he weighs 15.5 lbs.? After about 3 days he'd get punky and just not feel well, stay in the bedroom and not eat and/or throw up. Just wondering - How much of a daily dose of interferon did you give him?? ? Gloria? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon and Vetri-DMG - do these things help?
I know there are some who say they have cats that were IFA positive and are now negative, I would say it is a rare thing. The FeLV vaccine has no effect on the ELISA or the IFA test. It is the FIV vaccine that will make a cat test positive for FIV. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of James Rauscher Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 4:28 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon and Vetri-DMG - do these things help? Thank you for the info, MC! Onyx's IFA test came up positive - do you know if cats who are positive on that test ever revert to negative? Also, some vets say that vaccinated cats always show up positive on later tests (because of the vax), but two of them said that vaccinated cats do not show up positive on the IFA test unless they actually have the virus. Can anyone clarify that for me? Avia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon and Vetri-DMG - do these things help?
Not much of anything but while doing a little searching I found a couple of interesting links. All the research is pretty old (1980s) and I have heard that once the vaccine was developed they stopped doing other research. http://www.felineleukemia.info/staphproteinacowan1.htm and http://books.google.com/books?id=GVtdtOsIsAUC&pg=PA362&lpg=PA362&dq=immunogl obulins+for+FeLV+treatment&source=bl&ots=7Xp6iTaKOc&sig=XkTBY31e2zYN3r2Jnmrq MMOBwRA#PPA367,M1 The one above has some interesting reading on pages 360 to 363. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 12:51 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon and Vetri-DMG - do these things help? What do you know about it in relation to FELV? Gloria On Apr 5, 2009, at 10:51 AM, gary wrote: > They might have, but Immunoregulin isn't very expensive. The brief > search I > did on Immonglobulins talked about it being made from 1000 different > donors, > etc., very expensive. It is a therapy use that has been tried on many > different things for humans and I guess some animals. > > Gary > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon and Vetri-DMG - do these things help?
They might have, but Immunoregulin isn't very expensive. The brief search I did on Immonglobulins talked about it being made from 1000 different donors, etc., very expensive. It is a therapy use that has been tried on many different things for humans and I guess some animals. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 12:54 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon and Vetri-DMG - do these things help? They may have meant immunoregulin...rather than immunoglobulins? Gloria On Apr 4, 2009, at 10:44 PM, gary wrote: > The vet that said interferon might or might not help, is correct. I > seriously doubt that your vaccinated cats would "inevitably" become > positive. It is true that the vaccine is not 100% effective, but the > vaccine combined with the natural immunity that many adult cats have > should > keep them fairly safe. There are, of course, no guarantees. > > I haven't used DMG, but have heard many others speak highly of it. > I am > presently using Moducare. I don't think any of us has any > scientific proof > as to the efficacy of any of these, there just hasn't been enough > study, so > we do what we feel will help. > > As for "immunoglobulins", I don't think I have seen anyone mention > that here > or on the other FeLV lists, unless, it was called something else. > > I don't think I would consider re-homing my negatives, you might be > waiting > a long time for the positive to be gone, some here have very old > positives. > > Gary > > -Original Message- > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of James > Rauscher > Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 7:28 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: [Felvtalk] Interferon and Vetri-DMG - do these things help? > > > One of the vets who saw my FeLV+ catOnyx said I could give her > interferon, > that it may or may not help her, but certainly would not hurt her. > Two other > vets told me there was nothing to do for her except to wait until > she gets > sick then put her to sleep. One of them recommended "re-homing" my > negative > cats until the positive one dies because they will "inevitably" become > positive as well, even though they are vaccinated. > > Another owner of mixed positives and negatives is taking the same > route as > me in not separating the positives and negatives (vaccinating the > negatives) > but also gives her positive kitty something called Vetri-DMG which is > supposedly produced by the body naturally and is an immune system > booster. > > Does anyone here have experience with these products? The vet who > told me to > re-home my negatives said immunoglobulins are very expensive and > only help > to keep a suffering cat alive. I am very confused - I get a different > opinion from every vet I talk to! > > > Avia > > > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
