Re: [Felvtalk] My baby recently diagnosed with FeLV

2017-01-27 Thread gary

Amani,

Could you please give the dosages used for Zander's Protocol? I know 
they must have been previously given, but I cannot seem to find them.


Thanks,

Gary


On 9/16/2016 8:52 AM, Amani Oakley wrote:


Hi Sherri

I hope you got some good news today. However, as you know, my 
experience is that the Winstrol needs to be used long term before the 
red cells are back into the normal range. I continue to recommend use 
of the Doxycyline to interfere with viral RNA synthesis. The Winstrol 
does not attack the virus, though I believe it makes the cat stronger 
overall and able to fight back. But at the outset of the treatment 
regime, I believe you must have the Doxycycline on board to try and 
reduce the viral load, or at least, keep it from rising.


Amani





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Re: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids

2012-05-27 Thread gary
I don't remember offhand, it was over a year ago, but I think I may have 
gotten the link from the files at the FCRF yahoo group they have to give 
fluids all the time so some good advice and links on there.  you can google 
it and check prices, you may need a script for the fluids as they want to 
make sure you are getting the right type of fluid.  I always use lactated 
ringers.


Gary

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Gary, you say you get fluids, etc from a medical supply house.  May I ask 
their name or will just any supply house do?







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Re: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids

2012-05-08 Thread gary
I use the same 20 ga needle and like them. I think the flow rate is actually a 
bit slower than an 18 ga., but I would just as soon take a few minutes more and 
use the smaller needle.
It is a bit unnerving sticking your baby the first few times you do it and you 
just might do a through and through a few times, especially on little guys.  Be 
sure when you are inserting the needle that the open part at the point is 
facing up and be sure to use a new one each time. Yeah, if you get rattled, it 
scares them. 

I got mine from the medical supply house where I bought my fluid, MUCH cheaper 
than getting it from the vet.  I think I paid $32 plus shipping for 12 liters 
of ringers, might be more now.  One thing to watch out for when starting a new 
bag of fluids, be sure to securely close the roller shutoff on the tubing 
before inserting into the bag.  If open the air can escape and you won't be 
able to tell how much you use.  You can fix it by pumping in some air through 
the med port on the bag with an empty syringe.

Gary


From: Maureen Olvey 
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 8:40 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids


You got that right - kitty harpoons for sure.  I did it while ago and I just 
can't do that anymore.  It hurt her when I put it in.   Then of course it 
freaked me out which I'm sure made it worse for her.  
 
I'll talk with my vet tomorrow.  Maybe he has those 20 gauge needles.  She's 
only like 4 lbs. and that needle weighs more than she does!

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 



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Re: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids

2012-05-08 Thread gary
I wouldn't use one that small except on a very small kitten and then I usually 
take the fluid into a syringe and give it to them.  One trick I learned from a 
vet tech and forgot to mention before.  When the fluid is starting to build up 
to a lump under the cats skin the pressure they feel can make them a bit 
squirmy, so you just squeeze the lump between your fingers (parallel to the 
needle) and it will disperse the fluid and relieve the pressure.  Also, I 
always but the bag into hot tap water to heat the fluid and then run fluid from 
the rig until it runs warm, wastes some fluid but, I get it cheap enough.  Some 
may put it in microwave (be sure no needle attached) and that would save the 
fluid it takes to heat the tubing as you don't put the rig in the hot water.  I 
haven't tried to nuke mine, might take a bit of practice to get it right and 
I'd guess the fluid in the tubing would be pretty hot and need to be run out 
first.  I always test on the inside of my wrist (like with a babies bottle) 
before I give fluid to a kitty.

Gary


From: Maureen Olvey 
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 8:51 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids


What about the 23 gauge?  That's even smaller, correct?  Does it work okay or 
does it take forever to get the fluids in because the needle is so small?

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 



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Re: [Felvtalk] Ginger

2012-03-11 Thread gary
I think Ginger would be very proud of you for saving the life of another 
kitty.  We don't replace loved ones that have passed with new ones, the new 
ones are added to our hearts.  I have lost many FeLV+ kitties over the 7 
years I have been caring for them  and I hold them all dear to me forever. 
I do hope you will get another FeLV+ kitty, they have such a tough time 
finding homes.


Gary

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Subject: [Felvtalk] Ginger

It's been a few weeks since we lost our ginger kitty. I am still so sad 
about my darling! Do you think I should get another kitty so soon after 
his death? I feel I would kind of betray my Ginger kitty. Could you please 
advice me what to do? Marinda

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Re: [Felvtalk] FIP

2012-02-16 Thread gary
can you refer me to info that says FIP vaccine makes cat test positive? 
Can't say that I have heard that before.  I do know that if the cat was 
previously exposed to corona vitus, it is ineffective.


Gary

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Both vaccines, FIV and FIP, will make cats test POSITIVE forever!




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Re: [Felvtalk] Vet meds

2011-10-20 Thread gary

Cindy,

FishMox is NOT the same as Clavamox, FishMox is the same as Amoxicillin. 
Clavamox is a mixture of amoxicillin and clavauntic(sp) acid which enhances 
the amoxicillin.  FishMox is fine to use, just make sure you know how to 
dose it for cats, it comes in 250 mg or 500 mg capsules.  Dosage for cats is 
5-10 mg per pound once or twice a day.


Clavamox is available from overseas without a script, but tends to be a bit 
expensive.  The human form of clavamox is called Augmentin and has the same 
ingredients, but you have to be careful with dosages for cats as they way 
ingredients are listed tends to be confusing.  Tablets of the same dosage 
vets give use to be sold overseas, but as far as I know, it has been 
discontinued by every place I know.


Doxycycline is and excellent antibiotic and is the antibiotic of choice for 
many things in the Cornell University Shelter Medicine program.  You can buy 
it without a script as Bird Biotic  in 100 mg capsules. dosage for cats is 
max 4 mg per pound once a day.


Both FishMox (amoxicillin) and Bird Biotic (doxycycline) must be mixed with 
a liquid for proper dosing.  Additionally, doxycycline should never be given 
to a cat in any dry form as it can cause damage in the esophagus.  You can 
use a lot of different liquids to mix these with, but I use 1/3 water and 
then add 2/3 lite kayro syrup, It helps kill the taste and doesn't go bad. 
Amoxicillin must be refrigerated after mixing and lasts 10 to 14 days, but 
it can be frozen for long periods.  Doxycycline need not be refrigerated 
(unless the liquid you use needs refrigeration) and should be discarded 
after 30 days.


Here are a couple of links http://www.1drugstore-online.com  and 
http://www.supersavermeds.com/


If anyone is interested in Zithromax, I get it from a contact in Thailand 
much cheaper than here.  Email me off list and I will put you in contact 
with him.


Please, everyone be sure to know the proper dose for cats for any med you 
are giving and how to get that dose from the product you have.


Gary



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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vet meds


Lorrie,

I'm late chiming in here. I can't help you with Acarexx, but look into 
FishMox for the clavamox. It can be ordered without a prescription and 
from what I was told, it's the same as clavamox. I even ordered it for 
myself once when I had an infected tooth.


Cindy


- Original Message - 
From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 11:14 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Vet meds



Does anyone know where I can buy RX vet meds overseas without an RX?
With 25 cats in my shelter and at home I need to keep some basic
things at home such as Acarexx for earmites, Clavamox (antibiotic)
etc.

Thanks,

Lorrie




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Re: [Felvtalk] interferon alpha injected?

2011-10-09 Thread gary

Hi Gloria,

I would be very interested in knowing what dosage that vet uses for an 
injection.  Interferon comes in little vial with the lowest dose in a vial 
being one million units and is usually 3 million units.  These vials are 
meant to be one injection for a human, but the oral dose for cats is only 30 
units, I can't imagine how you would draw up an appropriate dose for a cat 
without doing the same dilutions that are done for oral treatments.


Gary

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From: Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net
Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 11:01 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] interferon alpha injected?

One of the vets here told someone with an FELV cat, that she could use 
interferon alpha as an injection.  He didn't mention low dose ORAL 
interferon alpha.


It's been my understanding that the interferon was absorbed in the  back 
of the throat.


Has anyone used interferon alpha as an injection rather than orally?

Thanks,

Gloria




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Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+ Emergency in Austin, TX

2011-08-21 Thread gary
Kelly,

Please contact me off list about this kitty.

I would love to know exactly what condition is treatable and what treatment 
would make him very infectious beyond being as infectious as he is now.

g
Gary


From: Kelley Saveika 
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 4:31 PM
To: felvtalk 
Cc: teeja...@sbcglobal.net 
Subject: [Felvtalk] FELV+ Emergency in Austin, TX


Hey folks, got an emergency with a possible FELV+ cat in Austin, Texas.  He's 
had one snap test (and that's with the felv/fiv/heartworm test, which we know 
there are a lot of false +s with).  There is no one to hold him for a 
confirmatory IFA.  

Someone wrote me asking for help, this is her description of him:

He is slated to be euthanized at 5pm today. This boy is very affectionate, 
loving to be held, petted, scratched, etc. He was even purring while being 
petted at the counter at the vet's office with all the strange scents and 
animal noises going on! 

He's pretty sick at the moment. Vet says he's extremely anemic. That's why he 
hasn't been eating much. And the heat has exacerbated the problem since he's 
been an outdoor cat. Vet also says the condition is treatable, but the 
treatment makes him very infectious. So what he needs is an indoor home either 
in a one-cat household or in a house where all the cats are feline leukemia 
positive. 

It's breaking my heart because he's such a sweetie. I'm hoping to find someone 
who can provide a home for this baby so he won't have to be euthanized.

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Re: [Felvtalk] testing

2011-07-25 Thread gary
Those are the same tests.  The definitive test is the IFA (has to be sent to 
a lab).  Recommended testing protocol is if the snap and IFA are 
different, test again in 120 days.  Unfortunately for most rescues and 
shelters they don't have a place for keeping possibly positive cats for an 
additional 120 days.  If the snap test was done using the new triple test 
(FIV, FeLV and heartworm) have it done again using the FeLV test only, if 
you can find a vet who has them.  There have been many false positives 
reported with the triple test.


Gary

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Subject: [Felvtalk] testing

I know I have read there is a chance of a false positive with the snap 
test. I was wondering if the same with the Elisa test? Thank you.




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Re: [Felvtalk] UK vet meds

2011-06-07 Thread gary
Are you using the cat Stronhold, or the dog Stronghold and dosing it down 
for cats?  Should work out to less than $1.60 a dose when dosing down the 
Stronghold for the largest dogs.


Gary

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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] UK vet meds

I've been ordering the Stronghold from the UK (same as US Revolution) for 
a couple of years now.  I buy the big dog size and measure it out into cat 
sized doses.  Works out to less than $3 per dose for an adult cat.




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Re: [Felvtalk] clavamox

2010-11-04 Thread gary
Normal dosage for that would be half that pill twice a day.  If you can get 
her to eat, just crush it in wet food.  You can also crush the pills and add 
them to a liquid and use a syringe (no needle) or a measured dropper.  Mix 
each pill with one or two ml of liquid (2 ml liquid means one ml twice a 
day, one ml liquid means .5 ml twice a day.  Must keep refrigerated and 
shake very well before each use.  You could use the petinic as the liquid.


Gary

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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] clavamox


Hi Lisa and Natalie,

This type of clavomox is actually the 125 mg pill kind. I like the liquid
better, but I really hope to get an injection type of antibiotics next 
time.

She seemed to keep it down this evening, but she is not doing so good
overall. Still won't eat and hides under the bed. I can tell by looking at
her bowl that she does drink water, so at least that's good.

I still can't believe that all the other cats tested negative!! That was
such a relief.  I hope Oreo's test was a false positive. That would be
another miracle!

I will talk to the vet about switching antibiotics and dosage. I'm al 
little

worried because she really needs the help to get rid of this infection. I
hope it's not to late.

Lisa, I live in Alabama.

Peggy




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[Felvtalk] Fw: URGENT! FELV+ Persian

2010-10-15 Thread gary
I am just cross posting this.  Contact info in the message below.  Please 
help if you can.


Thanks,

Gary

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Subject: URGENT! FELV+ Persian



There is a red Persian female, 3 years old, FELEUK POSITIVE BY SNAP, at 
Anti-Cruelty in Chicago, IL. PCBR is paying for an IFA to be done, but, 
if that is positive, we will need to move the cat VERY quickly as the 
shelter will put her down. Please contact me at res...@purebredcats.org 
(@purebredcats.org) if you  are willing to adopt!




Linda Pollack Mercer, M.D.
President, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue, Inc. (previously known as CFA 
Purebred Rescue, Inc)  http://purebredcats.org

Director, Operation Noble Foster, http://operationnoblefoster.org
The Persian Rescue Email list: 
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Persian_Rescue/ (Moderator)
The Rescue Siamese Email List: 
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/RescueSiamese (Moderator)

Phone (rescue emergencies only please): (888) 303-9454 [toll free]
Email: res...@purebredcats.org  (@purebredcats.org)
Alternate email: wishs...@sbcglobal.net (@sbcglobal.net)



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[Felvtalk] treatment updates

2010-10-15 Thread gary

Unfortunately, these updates are not good news.

ACEMANNAN:  I used this to save several FeLV cats, it works.  Sadly, the 
company that made it - Carrington Labs - went out of business and it is no 
longer available.  On Saturday I will give the last of my Acemannan to a 
sick kitty and hope that will be enough.


STAPH PROTEIN A:  I have never had the chance to use this, but there were 
some pretty encouraging trials a few years ago and my vet got some from a 
university.  The vet said it worked very well in temporarily reversing 
anemia in Felv cats, giving them another 5 or 6 months of good health.  This 
product was never approved for the treatment of animals and is stricly used 
in biological research.  You must be a legitimate bio researcher to buy it 
and you must swear it will never get into the hands of anyone not authorized 
to use it.  So, in reality, you cannot get it.


Would the list owner please update the website about these treatments.

Gary 



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Re: [Felvtalk] URGENT: help needed re: info on transfusions/epogen, etc

2010-08-24 Thread gary
An HCT of 8 is critical, if it isn't stopped very quickly, the cat will die 
shortly.  My vet did transfusions on two of my FeLV cats, she should 
definitely seek a new vet.  The vet should have been able to tell if the 
anemia is regenerative or non-regenerative.  If non-regenerative, not 
Hemobart.  If he suspects Hemobart, did he start the cat on Doxycycline (the 
drug of choice for Hemobart)?  I would say the chances for the cat surviving 
without a transfusion in the very near future is very slim, even with a 
transfusion it may a longshot.


Gary

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Sauro ma...@bemikitties.com; FeLVTalk FeLVTalk@felineleukemia.org; 
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Subject: [Felvtalk] URGENT: help needed re: info on transfusions/epogen, etc


just got an email from a rescue i work with, about someone who adopted
a FeLV positive a few months ago. kitty is NOT doing well--with a
hematocrit of 8. she asked her vet about doing a transfusion, and he
said that's not done with FeLV cats. well, other than getting a new
vet, i'm asking you guys for help. (he's also saying it could be
whatever-they're-now-calling-hemobartenellosis.) i've got all the info
from the rescue, and the contact info of the cat's mom.

i know that some of you have experience with this, which i do not: if
any of you are willing/able to help walk lisa (the human) and josie
(the cat) through this, please let me know! feline anemia boards? i've
suggested she check www.adopt.bemikitties for local vets (she MAY be
in the miami, FL area, but not sure on that yet--that's where the
rescue is), as well as amer assn of feline practitioners for a vet
near her, but i think that talking with someone who knows what they're
talking about would be a big help.

thanks!

MC, out of her depth



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Re: [Felvtalk] URGENT: help needed re: info on transfusions/epogen, etc

2010-08-24 Thread gary
Usually, a transfusion with un-typed blood can be done once, but there is a 
risk.  If the blood is typed and a matching blood used, the risk is very 
slight.


Gary

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etc




I  always caution people about transfusions based on my own experience. 
Our kitten needed a transfusion due to her levels being so low which she 
did get. After the transfusion she perked up and seemed like she was 
getting better however an hour and half after she started to crash. Three 
hours later she was dead. The vet said that cats can have a bad reaction 
to the transfusion and in essence 'reject' the new blood. I wasn't aware 
if this before hand. I would have rather had a few more days with her 
rather than be blindsided by her death by transfusionif she was going 
to die anyway.


Hopefully someone can give some helpful suggestions - I just know that 
transfusions, depending on the circumstances aren't always the best 
answer. I know too that we tried procrit but that took too long to have 
any effect and ultimately was pointless.


Prayers for Josie...




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Re: [Felvtalk] update on josie, the low hematocrit kitty

2010-08-24 Thread gary
Hemobart is infamous for not showing up on the test, if it is suspected, I 
would just start the doxy treatment, but without a transfusion it will be 
tough to bring her back with an HCT of only 8.


Gary

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Subject: [Felvtalk] update on josie, the low hematocrit kitty


the er vet has seen the bloods, and no, a specific hemobart test was
NOT run, so she'll do that. from the bloodwork, she suspects that is
it, indeed, hemobart--lisa and josie are on their way into the vet's
office now. so think sweet, red-blooded healing thoughts for her,
please.

MC
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Re: [Felvtalk] Now it's Murphy-I can't take much more-Sources forproducts?

2010-07-25 Thread gary
It is made by Carrington Labs and was being marketed by VPL, but it is no 
longer on their website and a search shows their contract with Carrington 
Labs expired in April.  I am going to call Carrington Labs in the morning 
and see if they have another distributor, I sure hope it is still available. 
It comes in a box containing four 10 mg containers.  The last time my vet 
ordered it, it was $225, that was his cost.  The protocol is 2 mg/KG IP, 
weekly for 6 weeks and then monthly.  The monthly shots can be given sub-q. 
For those unfamiliar with what IP means, it means through the wall of the 
abdomen.


The instructions say you must use it within 4 hours of mixing it, but the 
vet who was the technical assistance person for VPL told me any leftover 
would keep fine in the fridge for a week and for a month in the freezer.


Gary

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forproducts?


Could you describe what the Acemannan (sp?)  is and how it's used? Also 
what are

good sources for this and also pettinic?  Alice
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Re: [Felvtalk] Now it's Murphy-I can't take much more

2010-07-24 Thread gary
I had success reversing anemia in two FeLV positive kittens using Acemannan. 
I can't say it works every time in every situation, but it worked for me on 
those two.


Gary

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Subject: [Felvtalk] Now it's Murphy-I can't take much more

Murphy has been sneezing-We took Murphy and Rosie in yesterday for check 
ups and
blood work. They did an in house PCV on him because his gums were pale. He 
is
anemic at 18.5%. This is the beginning of the end. I had hoped that after 
losing
Rosie's 4 brothers last year that we would get a reprieve. I had hoped 
that the
vet's rough rule of 1/3 would apply to us since we began with 6. We had 
Rosie
and her 5 brothers-and Murphy, the friendly kitten that was tossed into 
the
feral colony that we caught Rosie and the boys from after trapping and 
neutering
their mother-1/3 of kitties would succumb quickly, 1/3 would die young and 
1/3
generally live fairly uneventful lives for quite a while. Murphy is 
becoming
lethargic at times, sometimes stretching out and sleeping on the floor-not 
his
usual pose-he is my eagle, if he isn't on the computer desk next to 
me-curled up
in an envelope box (any box will do-he has even tried to squeeze into a 
box
barely big enough for his head-LOL)-he is asleep in the spare room-on top 
of the
bookcase! He has a talent of springing from the floor and landing in a box 
on
top of a 4' cabinet without touching the edges-he is like a little 
antelope with
his springy legs. Murphy is the king of cats-I have never been owned by 
such an
awesome kitty. He is beautiful with his fluffy, tuxedo coat, huge eyes and 
even
huger paws-he has 7 toes on his front feet and 6 on the backs. He can snag 
a cat
toy tossed at him like in mid-air like a baseball player and can even pick 
up
things using the extra toes like fingers. I cannot believe this is 
happening
again. We have begun Procrit, iron supplement and Doxy for the 
sneezing/cold
thing he has going on-his lungs are clear, but a little wheezing in his 
throat
area. Wish us luck-I am so sad right now and keep tearing up. I can't take 
much
more of this disease, so much loss for all of us.  Alice and Glenn 
(humans),

Rosie and Murphy-furkids




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Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING

2010-07-12 Thread gary
If you still have some of that vaccine, don't throw it away, it needs to be 
tested.  I do not see how a supposedly killed virus vaccine would cause a 
positive on a restest.


Gary

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From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 8:39 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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I work with Furkids. My best friend  her family stayed there until 1am 
giving fluids  taking temps. Luckily we didn't lose any of the kitties. 
What's worse the cats were testing positive for FeLV when they were 
retested.


Beth
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--- On Mon, 7/12/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
Subject: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Monday, July 12, 2010, 9:24 AM

PLEASE CROSS POST

Forwarded Message:

Received this warning from Furkids Rescue:



Date: Sunday, July 11, 2010, 3:43 PM



Dear Colleagues,

Furkids had an experience this week with Fort Dodge Leukemia vaccines that
we want to share with you in hopes that no one else has this happen to 
their

animals.

On July 7, we vaccinated 20 cats with Fort Dodge's Fel-O-Vax-Lv-K vaccine
(167346B, exp. 2/20/11).

ALL 20 cats spiked high temperatures within a few hours of receiving the
vaccine. We recorded temps over 105. We had to send six cats to emergency
(one with seizures). We administered fluids and metacam and benadryl.
Thankfully, the cats seem to be rebounding today. In our eight years, we
have never seen anything like this.

Fort Dodge has offered no explanation. We will no longer be using the Fort
Dodge products and wanted to pass along our experience with their vaccine 
in

case any of you have the same lot. If you do, you should contact your rep
and return them immediately.




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Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING

2010-07-12 Thread gary
No, not when vaccinated for Feline Leukemia, the one that causes positive 
tests after vaccination is for FIV.  I have never heard of a cat testing 
positive for Feline Leukemia because it was vaccinated for it.


Gary

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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING


I think they do test positive after being vaccinated.

Never, never be afraid to do what's right, especially if the well-being 
of
a person or animal is at stake. Society's punishments are small compared 
to

the wounds we inflict on our soul when we look the other way. ~ Martin
Luther King, Jr.


-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 11:05 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING

These were healthy cats who were to be going to Petsmart locations or to 
be

adopted from our cage-free shelter. We vaccinate all cats being put up for
adoption.
Beth
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Re: [Felvtalk] New kitten

2010-07-09 Thread gary
After 2 months, there is no need to do any of this as the FeLV will all be 
dead long ago.  It is probably a good idea in general to wash the toys, but 
it is never necessary to use straight bleach on anything to disinfect it. 
Anything soaked in a 3-4% bleach solution for 20 minutes will be 
disinfected.


Gary

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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] New kitten


I would throw away soft toys that cannot be laundered - any hard surfaces
like plastic that are porous, wash them with Clorox mixed with water - or
straight, if you wear a mask or bandana over your face!  Rinse really 
well -

same goes for litter boxes. That should kill everything that may have been
on it! Natalie

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lisa Borden
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 9:52 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] New kitten

It's now been just over two months since Tommy died. My heart is ready to
welcome home a new kitten. My other two cats have tested negative for FeLV
(yay!!). Is there anything special I need to do to make sure the virus 
isn't
still on toys, bedding, etc? I did wash the bedding, and I'm going to 
throw
out some of the older toys. But stuff like the turbo scratcher (ball 
around

a circle)?

Thank you,
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Re: [Felvtalk] New kitten

2010-07-08 Thread gary
Feline Leukemia Virus is rather fragile outside of the body and as the 
saying goes, when it dries, it dies, so it is extremely doubtful that any 
has survived for 2 months.


Gary

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Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 8:52 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] New kitten

It's now been just over two months since Tommy died. My heart is ready to 
welcome home a new kitten. My other two cats have tested negative for FeLV 
(yay!!). Is there anything special I need to do to make sure the virus 
isn't still on toys, bedding, etc? I did wash the bedding, and I'm going 
to throw out some of the older toys. But stuff like the turbo scratcher 
(ball around a circle)?


Thank you,
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Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

2010-06-27 Thread gary
According to Island Pharmacy - they use to compound a lot of interferon, but 
no longer do it - it was not recommended to freeze the final dilution of 
interferon, just keep it in the fridge, they always said it was good for 90 
days that way.  The dosage for cats is 30 IU a day.  The compound you have 
is made to have 1 ml equal 60 IU, so to get the correct daily dosage of 30 
IU, you would use only .5 ml.  Whether you use a protocol with a daily 
dosage, or the 7 on 7 off protocol is a choice you have to make.


I don't know how your interferon is packaged, but if you do not need a 
needle to withdraw it and can use just an oral syringe, I would Google for a 
1 ml oral syringe with cap.  Most of the syringes listed as oral syringes 
will not accept a needle, so they are not dual purpose.


Gary

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Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 1:13 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Interferon


Hi:

I received a bottle of interferon from my vet. He told me it was a 90 day 
supply but it says discard after 30 days on the bottle. I know many posts 
have said that you draw it up into syringes and then freeze and I know it 
doesn't last long.  I'm guessing I need to do that but my vet told me to 
call the compounding pharmacy that diluted it and sent it and just make 
sure.


The bottle says Interferon Alpha 2B 60 IU/ML 45 ML give .5 ML by mouth 
once daily.  I thought I had read most people are giving 1 ML daily or 7 
on 7 off? This came from US Compounding with an address in Conway AZ.  I 
didn't get much instruction with the bottle!


So I am wondering about freezing and then do you know of any economic 
sites where I can buy the 1 ML syringes in a box off 100 and the syringe 
caps? I am also looking for empty small gelcaps.


Thanks!
Stacy and Spanky


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Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

2010-06-27 Thread gary
Island Pharmacy was bought out by Franck's Pharmacy some time ago and I 
heard then that Franck's would be doing the interferon, they are in Ocala, 
FL.  You could call Island and ask them, maybe it was just temporary.

Franck's website is www.francks.com.

Gary

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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon



So Island doesn't sell it anymore?

There's also 3 on 3 off protocol. I used to do daily tho.

Gloria

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 27, 2010, at 4:45 PM, gary gcru...@centurytel.net wrote:

According to Island Pharmacy - they use to compound a lot of  interferon, 
but no longer do it - it was not recommended to freeze  the final 
dilution of interferon, just keep it in the fridge, they  always said it 
was good for 90 days that way.  The dosage for cats  is 30 IU a day.  The 
compound you have is made to have 1 ml equal 60  IU, so to get the 
correct daily dosage of 30 IU, you would use only . 5 ml.  Whether you 
use a protocol with a daily dosage, or the 7 on 7  off protocol is a 
choice you have to make.


I don't know how your interferon is packaged, but if you do not need  a 
needle to withdraw it and can use just an oral syringe, I would  Google 
for a 1 ml oral syringe with cap.  Most of the syringes  listed as oral 
syringes will not accept a needle, so they are not  dual purpose.


Gary

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Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 1:13 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Interferon


Hi:

I received a bottle of interferon from my vet. He told me it was a  90 
day supply but it says discard after 30 days on the bottle. I  know many 
posts have said that you draw it up into syringes and  then freeze and I 
know it doesn't last long.  I'm guessing I need  to do that but my vet 
told me to call the compounding pharmacy that  diluted it and sent it 
and just make sure.


The bottle says Interferon Alpha 2B 60 IU/ML 45 ML give .5 ML by  mouth 
once daily.  I thought I had read most people are giving 1 ML  daily or 
7 on 7 off? This came from US Compounding with an address  in Conway AZ. 
I didn't get much instruction with the bottle!


So I am wondering about freezing and then do you know of any  economic 
sites where I can buy the 1 ML syringes in a box off 100  and the 
syringe caps? I am also looking for empty small gelcaps.


Thanks!
Stacy and Spanky


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Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

2010-06-27 Thread gary
Of course, you could always make your own and have a lifetime supply for 
under $100.


I would disagree with one statement made on Tally's site, she says you can 
mix the interferon with food.  I had always heard that the interferon is 
absorbed through the mucous membranes and once it got to the stomach it was 
useless.  Island said not to freeze the final dilution and it appears Tally 
did that with no problem.  It may be that Island Pharmacy just didn't want 
you to be able to keep it more than 90 days.  If you were using the 7 on, 7 
off protocol, a 90 day supply would last 180 days if you froze the extra.


I thought the info in the lasaer treatments was very interesting.

Gary

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Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 8:42 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

Thanks, Gary!  I looked at the Franck web site, not a great web site I 
might add, very disappointing.  No link for veterinary products, none  for 
interferon that I could find.  I went to IslandPharmacy.com, and  no 
interferon.  Too bad they aren't available any longer.


For those interested, Tally was on this group a few years ago and  still 
has some information on interferon  and FELV on her web site.   You can 
check it out at http://www.tallyville.com/stomatitis.html


Gloria




On Jun 27, 2010, at 6:45 PM, gary wrote:

Island Pharmacy was bought out by Franck's Pharmacy some time ago  and I 
heard then that Franck's would be doing the interferon, they  are in 
Ocala, FL.  You could call Island and ask them, maybe it was  just 
temporary.

Franck's website is www.francks.com.

Gary

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Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 5:37 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon



So Island doesn't sell it anymore?

There's also 3 on 3 off protocol. I used to do daily tho.

Gloria

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 27, 2010, at 4:45 PM, gary gcru...@centurytel.net wrote:

According to Island Pharmacy - they use to compound a lot of 
interferon, but no longer do it - it was not recommended to  freeze 
the final dilution of interferon, just keep it in the  fridge, they 
always said it was good for 90 days that way.  The  dosage for cats  is 
30 IU a day.  The compound you have is made to  have 1 ml equal 60  IU, 
so to get the correct daily dosage of 30  IU, you would use only . 5 
ml.  Whether you use a protocol with a  daily dosage, or the 7 on 7 
off protocol is a choice you have to  make.


I don't know how your interferon is packaged, but if you do not  need 
a needle to withdraw it and can use just an oral syringe, I  would 
Google for a 1 ml oral syringe with cap.  Most of the  syringes  listed 
as oral syringes will not accept a needle, so  they are not  dual 
purpose.


Gary

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Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 1:13 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Interferon


Hi:

I received a bottle of interferon from my vet. He told me it was  a 
90 day supply but it says discard after 30 days on the bottle.  I 
know many posts have said that you draw it up into syringes  and  then 
freeze and I know it doesn't last long.  I'm guessing I  need  to do 
that but my vet told me to call the compounding  pharmacy that 
diluted it and sent it and just make sure.


The bottle says Interferon Alpha 2B 60 IU/ML 45 ML give .5 ML by 
mouth once daily.  I thought I had read most people are giving 1  ML 
daily or 7 on 7 off? This came from US Compounding with an  address 
in Conway AZ. I didn't get much instruction with the  bottle!


So I am wondering about freezing and then do you know of any 
economic sites where I can buy the 1 ML syringes in a box off  100 
and the syringe caps? I am also looking for empty small  gelcaps.


Thanks!
Stacy and Spanky


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Re: [Felvtalk] interferon storage/dilution

2010-06-15 Thread gary
It might cost $800 or $1000 to get an order of feline interferon omega from 
Europe (the UK actually, I think) but it no longer takes 6 to 8 weeks, threy 
have streamlined the process for Feline Interferon Omega.  However, there is 
at least one supplier that will send from the UK without FDA approval as 
long as your vet will prescribe it and receive it.  I'll send you the info 
if you want.  Also, once you reconstitute the FIO, you have to use it within 
21 days, but you can freeze anything more than 21 days worth indefinitely. 
Once thawede, you have 21 days to use it.  FIO is an injection drug and is 
not diluted.


Interferon Alpha (human interferon) is diluted and given orally.  I would 
use syringes to hold the fluid to be frozen as you want to be able to inject 
that concentration into saline for further dilution.  Also, you want to keep 
it in a container where it won't get contaminated.  I have already sent you 
instructions on how to dilute and store interferon alpha and where to buy it 
very inexpensively.  If you didn't get that info, I will send it to you 
again.


Gary

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Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 4:08 PM
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] interferon storage/dilution


Hi:

My vet looked into getting interferon omega from Europe for Spanky. It 
turns out that it would be about $1000-$2000 and would take 6-8 weeks AND 
that doesn't even mean it would be shipped so that we can be sure it 
remains stable (it cannot be warm at all).  Thus, we are going to go with 
interferon alpha as it is available here and a lot of you use it with good 
results. If that doesn't seem to do much for him, we'll add the Imulan 
LTCI injections with the interferon.


I'm curious how those of you use interferon dilute and store it in the 
fridge and freezer? I know I've seen people advise how they do this on 
this list but I couldn't figure out a way to search the archives without 
going through every single message for each month.
I found mini ice cube trays on the internet and wonder if there is 
something better (syringes frozen?)


Also, how long do you wait between blood panels to see if it has helped 
kitty? one month? two months?


Thanks so much for your help.
Stacy and Spanky




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Re: [Felvtalk] Acemannan

2010-06-15 Thread gary
Acemannan is now made by Veterinary Products Laboratories  www.vpl.com and I 
don't see any indication of it not being available.  There was a price jump 
end of last year, how much did you pay for it?  The VPL site had the name of 
a vet who was involved in the original trials as their technical 
representative, but I don't see anyone listed for that product now.  I think 
my vet may still have his name and number, but they are closed on Wed., I 
will check on Thur.


When I used it, the protocol was one shot a week for six weeks (given IP) 
and then one shot a month that can be given sub-q.  Also, the vet for VPL 
told me that you can keep the mixed Acemannan for up to a week in the fridge 
and freeze it for up to a month, even though the instructions say you have 
to use it in 4 hours.


Gary

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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Acemannan

My 8 year old cat had Feline Leukemia at age 1 1/2.  We found out about 
Acemannan by doing research online.  It worked beautifully and he was free 
of Leukemia after one year, at which time we stopped the Acemannan.  He 
was normal until last Dec when his bone marrow went haywire and stopped 
producing platelets, white and red blood cells.  Since then we've had him 
on prednisone, and other meds.  We went back to Acemannan and he has just 
had his fifth injection (he gets one injection every week for six weeks).


I need to know what to do after his sixth injection.  Does anyone know? 
The lab went bankrupt; my vet can still get it from his supplier, but we 
have no way to call the manufacturer to find out what is next after the 
sixth injection.  Last time, we went to once a month injections, but 
because this is not exactly Feline Leukemia, but caused by his Feline 
Leukemia, it might be a different situation.


Thanks for any suggestions.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Knox and treatment of felv

2010-04-19 Thread gary
I'm glad to hear that he is willing to communicate with you.  That the 
treatment only results in the suppression of the virus, is a little 
disappointing.  This would make it about equivalent to the claims of Dr. 
Belfield for his vitamin C therapy.  He claims he cured every FeLV 
positive cat that came through his practice, using his Mega C formula (takes 
much longer than the time cited in the VanDyke study) but later says that if 
you stop giving the Mega C, the virus will return.  That would indicate to 
me that the virus isn't cured, just suppressed.  Not that there is anything 
wrong with suppressing the virus and stopping it's progression.  Dr. 
Belfield says there are not side effects from long term use of his Mega C 
formula, but I do have to wonder about side effects from the long term use 
of Depo.


Thanks for getting the info.

Gary

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Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 10:18 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Knox and treatment of felv


I just wanted to update you all where I'm at now.  I got an email from Dr.
Van Dyke, the biochemist involved in this treatment plan.

To set a few things straight - he was doing research to find a cure for
HIV/AIDS and using cats as an animal model.  The intermixed use of
FIV/HIV/Felv was in part because of the knowledge at the time concerning 
the

believed similarities of HIV and FIV and in part simply to say that
hopefully HIV would behave similarily to FIV and that his work on cats 
could

be carried over to people.  Probably not entirely accurate.

With respect to the patent being abandoned, it was but he sent me the 
number

of different patent - #6514955.

Finally - and I will ask him about this - the paper describes latently
infected cats (this by definition means integrated into the host DNA) - 
but

I will clarify this with him.

Apparently, what this does is use antioxidants and steroids in combination
to suppress the production of virus.  It does not 'cure' anyone in that 
the

viral DNA is still within the cat cells, but they are not able to multiple
and thereby infect other cells.  This, by the way, is the essence of HAART
therapy currently used to treat HIV (the difference is that the drugs used
now directly inhibit viral activity, in Van Dyke's approach,it is an 
attempt

to get the body to do it for you).

The value of this is that if the virus cannot replicate, it cannot mutate
(the mutated form of felv is the one that is thought to cause the
hematologic diseases and it not contagious; i.e. the virus must mutate
within the cat in order to cause these problems).  The downside is that 
the

treatment is lifelong.

I will ask him for more information and keep you updated.

Hope this helps.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Found some of original paper on therapy for felv

2010-04-17 Thread gary
The patent office website says the patent for this has been abandoned (they 
didn't pay the fee to keep it an active patent). What I find really strange 
about this is that if it is such an effective treatment - why did they 
abandon a patent that could make them a fortune?


Gary

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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Found some of original paper on therapy for felv


I did a little searching and found a more detailed paper on what was done
with these few cats using antioxidant therapy and resulting change in 
viral

status to negative.  I copied and pasted it.




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Re: [Felvtalk] Gary - info on acemannan,etc

2010-04-16 Thread gary

Jenny,

Nothing was attached to this email, I don't know if the list allows 
attachments.  Could you send the stuff directly to me a 
gcru...@centurytel.net please.


Thanks,

Gary

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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Gary - info on acemannan,etc


okay,  I have been trying to send this but it's too big to go through so I
copied and pasted onto a word document the abstracts of four articles
relating to acemannan (or related polysaccharides and viral infections)
These were really to answer the specific question of oral mannose versus 
IP

injection but if you want more articles on acemannan itself I can get them
for you.

Hope it helps.

Jenny










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Re: [Felvtalk] Possible therapy for felv

2010-04-16 Thread gary
I didn't know you could patent a treatment made up of commercially available 
products.  Where did you see this patent?  It is certainly interesting.  It 
is unfortunate there isn't more info as it doesn't say if the surviving cats 
were FeLV+ or FIV+, or both.  Also, too bad it was such a small sample, but 
worth looking into.  Would love to see the whole study.


Gary

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From: jbero tds.net jb...@tds.net
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 11:53 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Possible therapy for felv

Okay, I am always questioning people that claim a cure, but here is a 
small
study done that caused a man to patent the treatment concerning felv. 
This
a group dedicated to looking into any avenue that may help our little 
ones,

so I'm putting this out there.

I copied and pasted this from the patent:

notes:

1) One cat with FELV(+)/FIV(+) died without the treatment as a control.

2) Treatments: Cats were injected intramuscularly with 20 mg DEPOMEDROL
(antiinflammatory steroid) and dispensed with 1,200 mg powdered Nacetyl
cysteine(NAC), 200 IU of Vitamin E, 500 mg of Vitamin C and one PET 
TAB/day.



3) It takes from 3 weeks to 6 weeks for the cats to turn retrovirus 
positive

reaction to negative after the treatment.

4) The symptoms of Champage, Precious, and Missy such as dental problems
bloody diarrhea, and loss of appetite completely subsided after the
treatment with steroids/antioxidants. The symptoms of Sampson such as
vomiting, gum disease, and loss of appetite completely reversed after the
treatment. Josey's symptoms of lung problem, loss of appetite, and gum
infection cleared up following the treatment. The cats were maintained on
PET TABS following the treatment with steroid/antioxidants.

5) At the conclusion of the test all cats remained FIV or leukemia virus
negative.

6) Blood was drawn for analysis from four of the cats treated (Sampson,
Josey, Patch, and Bud). The analysis included cell cultures, mitogen
stimulation, and polymerase chain reaction assay for the retovirus. All
tests indicated the cats were fully cured as none indicated any sign of 
the

virus.

These cat experiments are the first to demonstrate that AIDS can be cured 
in

an in vivo model.

That's it.  If anyone's got any ideas about it or history with it, I'd 
love

to hear it.


Jenny



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Re: [Felvtalk] day 9 of baytril

2010-04-06 Thread gary
Last report I read on it said all the reported incidents of blindness were 
at dosages in excess of the recommended dosage.  Last hard drive crash took 
a bunch of my saved reports, but I will try to locate that one.


Gary

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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] day 9 of baytril


from what i know, the problems with baytril and blindness generally has
involved young kittens. baytril is a great drug for certain things, and in
some cases i know of people who've made the decision to take the risk
blind is a whole lot better than dead, after all. ask anyone.


MC




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Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccine

2010-03-27 Thread Gary
Under the new guidelines for feline practitioners, most all boosters are 
now every 3 years.


Gary

Lorrie wrote:

A friend who lives in the Wash. DC area just told me her
vet no longer recommends vaccines for FelV. In her case,
she had a cat she adopted who was FelV pos. and he died
at 18 months of age.  She had her other two cats vaccinated
last year when she found out he was pos. and when she went
to get their annual FelV boosters she was told they don't
recommend them. I'm not sure if this means just the boosters 
or any FelV shots.


Have any of you heard anything about this?

Lorrie

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Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV Positive Young Mom Cat Babies

2010-03-26 Thread Gary
I would be very interested in the source of the oral product and the 
protocol for FeLV cats.  Also, any articles or studies relating to the 
use of oral Acemannan.


Thanks,

Gary

jbero tds.net wrote:

Minnie,

3. Acemannan - a supplement known to help fight off the virus.  I would get
them on an oral dose of this daily.
  
  


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Re: [Felvtalk] Frosty Paws will be PTS tomorrow

2010-02-16 Thread Gary
It is kind of hard to say if anything can be done for him as we don't 
have a clue what is wrong with him.  If he is severely anemic, it could 
be cause by the FeLV or it might be Hemobartonella, which is very 
curable.  I have had luck on two anemic FeLV positive kittens using 
Acemannan.  If he is having trouble breathing because of anemia, I would 
say he would need a transfusion just to allow time for any meds to work 
no matter what the cause.  The problem may be something else entirely, 
need to know what you are fighting before deciding on a course of action..


Gary

LauraM wrote:

More sad news to add to the rest of the sad news out there.
Frosty Paws and I have an appointment for 4:30 tomorrow at our vet's. I think 
it is time to let him go, and I refuse to let him suffer needlessly. We all 
know how our FeLV kids can suffer at the end. So I believe I'm doing the right 
thing. We'll see what the vet says.
 
I've only had him for about a month and a half. He was a stray who somebody took in. She had him neutered and combo tested, and the test came back positive. Since she'd never had a FeLV + cat before, she felt a little overwhelmed, and since I already had 3 of them, I agreed to take him on. Frosty has always been quiet - the woman who rescued him said he was the most quiet and non-confrontational cat she'd ever met - but I wonder if what we thought of as simply quiet (since she didn't have him for long, she didn't truly know his personality, either) was actually a sign of illness. He's looked a little down for the past week, and this morning his breathing was really labored, and was still labored when I returned home from work. Charlotte's breathing was the same way before she got a blood transfusion, and she died a month later in spite of everything. He also appears to have lost some weight, even though I've seen him eating.
 
What do you all think? Is there anything else that can be done? Something we can try? I don't want to lose him if there's a possibility of saving him, but I don't want him to suffer, either. Thank you for all your concern and advice.

Laura

  



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Re: [Felvtalk] Article at Bestfriends

2010-01-26 Thread Gary
I wonder if the author of the article has ever actually gone to their FeLV 
unit and looked at the cats?  I certainly hope they don't look like the 
article says they look, mine don't look like that and they don't all get 
anemia and don't all get jaundiced.  The ones who do get anemia may be 
lethargic and jaundiced, but it is not an ongoing condition.  But you never 
know, I once asked the vet at BF why they give a monthly sub-q shot of 
immuno regulin to all the FeLV cats, figured I'd get some good info on IR. 
WRONG!! The vet said they use it because that is what was being done when he 
arrived, I believe he doesn't have a clue.


Gary

- Original Message - 
From: Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 2:36 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Article at Bestfriends


I just saw an article at Bestfriends.org which I was surprised and 
disappointed about:


http://www.bestfriends.org/theanimals/pdfs/cats/catfelv.pdf

The author includes What happens to a cat who has contracted the virus?

and says The virus adversely affects the cat’s bone marrow and immune 
system. An infected cat becomes anemic and is unable to
fight off even routine infections. Cats with feline leukemia are commonly 
jaundiced and lethargic, and they experience weight

loss, enlarged lymph nodes, and poor stamina.

It sounds like an FELV cat is going to die immediately after getting the 
virus.  So I can see folks reading that article and then
euthing their FELV kitties, thinking they're doing them a favor. The 5 
FELV cats that I have now haven't seen any sickness since

I've had them.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Bovine Lactoferrin

2010-01-17 Thread Gary
Check out the yahoo list fiv-healthscience.  The owner of that list, 
Joel, has been using it for some time.


Gary

Jason Michael Canon wrote:

I've been reading (see
http://www.blogcatalog.com/blog/cat-health-news-from-the-winn-feline-foundation/3d1a23a83aa700bc1a6173047e1cf926)
the full text of this article about the use of bovine lactoferrin in
cats with terminal FIV infection to help modulate immune dysfunction. 

Has anyone else used this? 


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Re: [Felvtalk] Help - I can't get LTCI in Georgia!

2009-12-17 Thread Gary
Acemannan is now easy enough to get, but must come through a vet.  They 
just had a $64 price increase and I paid $228 for the package of  four 
10 mg bottles and that doesn't last long if you have a large cat.  
Sometimes they have specials on it from the distributors, got my first 
package on special for $125 and had a bit of sticker shock at the new 
price.  Ordered the stuff for the Vitamin C IV therapy and will be 
trying it on a positive with a large lymphoma.  The tumor is in his 
chest and is quite large, so don't know how well this will go, but not 
much in the way of alternatives.


Gary

Gloria B. Lane wrote:
If you can find a vet to do it, I'd try the vitamin C therapy in a New 
York Minute.  I've never used Acemannan, but have read a lot about it 
and it sounds good too.  When I checked into it a few years ago, it 
was hard for me to get.  Course you'd have to find a competent vet 
willing to do that too.


Good luck!

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Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries

2009-12-11 Thread Gary
Actually, doxy is available in liquid form and this is the form that 
should always be used with cats.  If a doxy tablet gets stuck going down 
it will do serious damage to the esophagus.  I haven't tried grinding a 
prednisone and putting it in food, but you might try that.  I find cat 
food like salmon are pretty good at hiding some bad tasting meds, also a 
little karo or pancake  syrup can help with bitter meds mixed in food.


You are by far not the only person who has a problem pilling cats.  I 
have one that the vet can always get the first pill into, but I have 
never gotten one down him yet by pilling, only by mixing with food.  I 
have several cats that won't even look at a pill pocket when it doesn't 
have a pill in it, much less when it does.


Gary



Bugrahan Yalvac wrote:

Doxycycline 100 MG and Prednisone 5 MG are the pills.

He is infected by mycoplasma haemofelis.

It looks all so easy to give cats oral medication on the net but those
cats are all healty, relaxed, and happy cats who swallow the pills.
Mine is doing everything not to swallow anything.

Should I take him to the vet again? Am I the only one who cannot
manage to medicate a cat orally?

On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 12:17 AM, Gary gcru...@centurytel.net wrote:
  

What are the pills?

Gary

Bugrahan Yalvac wrote:


Hi, All,

I have a FeLV positive cat who adapted me six months ago. A week ago
he stopped eating and began to taste his litter. I took him to the vet
and he was tested FeLV positive. Vet gave me steroids and antibiotics
and I was mixing the pills with his science diet for couple days. He
was able to eat small entities of science diet for few days. However
for the last two days he is not eating anything. I tried two times to
med him through his mount, it didn't work at all.

Anyone knows a better way to give medications (pills) to a cat?

Thanks,
Bugra



  

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Re: [Felvtalk] Help - I can't get LTCI in Georgia!

2009-12-10 Thread Gary

How odd.  Has your vet spoken to Imulan about this problem?

There isn't anything I know for sure that helps a lot other than a good 
diet and low stress.  There are many things that people use with varying 
success.  I just started using Acemannan and had success turning to FeLV 
positive anemic kittens into what appears to be pretty healthy positive 
cats.  You already know about Interferon.  Best Friends uses Immuno 
Regulin (now available as EqStim) .5 ml sub-q once a month on their 
positives.  I have used Moducare and there is Transfer Factor and 
several others.  There is oral vitamin C using Mega C.


Does anything work all the time on every cat?  I doubt it and we may be 
throwing our money away most of the time, who knows?  Dr. Belfield 
claims he cured every positive cat that came through his practice of 30 
years with his Mega C.  My cats don't seem to like it so I haven't 
figured out how to dose them with enough to experiment with that.


Gary

LauraM wrote:

As some of you may have read in my post from last week, my vet and I had planned to 
start Bridget on LTCI. Unfortunately, when my vet tried to order it, there was a 
problem. For some reason, the GA state vet isn't allowing the drug into the state at 
this time, for anybody - some legal issue. So.what are my options? I was excited 
 hopeful about the possibilities of this drug  now Bridget can't have it.
What other therapies can you folks recommend? I've used interferon with two 
cats with no success. Bridget is currently asymptomatic, but I would like to 
try something, anything, to buy her as much time as possible. I'd appreciate 
any suggestions. Thanks.
Laura


  


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Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries

2009-12-09 Thread Gary

What are the pills?

Gary

Bugrahan Yalvac wrote:

Hi, All,

I have a FeLV positive cat who adapted me six months ago. A week ago
he stopped eating and began to taste his litter. I took him to the vet
and he was tested FeLV positive. Vet gave me steroids and antibiotics
and I was mixing the pills with his science diet for couple days. He
was able to eat small entities of science diet for few days. However
for the last two days he is not eating anything. I tried two times to
med him through his mount, it didn't work at all.

Anyone knows a better way to give medications (pills) to a cat?

Thanks,
Bugra


  


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Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon And Other Medicine Questions

2009-11-29 Thread Gary
Do you have a website or something detailing your research, testing 
data, etc.?  What trials for anemia are you involved with?  Is your cat 
on any medications now?
Was your cat on Interferon alpha or FOI?  If on alpha, was he at the 
usual 30 unit dosage?  How many LTCI shots did he have before turning 
negative?


Thanks,

Gary

Hotmail Junk wrote:
I had my cat on Interferon, LTCI, and Pred. He was given the death 
sentence by a University Vet, sent home to die. That was over a year 
ago. He is now FeLV negative, which we were told it was in his bone 
marrow. We are working on research and trials of different meds for 
anemia. The high dosage of pred is not a permenant solution. We have 
spent over $20,000 so far, but it has been worth every penny!! We have 
hope that through our research  the help of specialists, we can help 
other cats with this dreaded disease!


Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 24, 2009, at 10:27 AM, Ashley Vanover 
ashley.vano...@gmail.com wrote:





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Re: [Felvtalk] WBC/RBC/platelet count decreasing

2009-11-24 Thread gary
No transfusions, hmmm, makes me wonder which two emails my mind was
combining.  I had heard the LTCI was somewhere between $60 and $100 a shot
and I think an initial series is around 10 shots.  There is a lady on the
FIP list who has been treating 15 cats, wish I had that kind of money.

I was sure you'd have to stop the pred to use LTCI, I'm not 100% sure for
Acemannan as I don't have the package insert any more, but I think you
might.  Acemannan comes in a box of 4 10mg vials (actually 8, 4 powder and 4
sterile water for mixing) and doses at 1 mg per KG once a week for 6 weeks.
I was told a box would be about $175, my vet is giving me mine for $125 (I
think that might be his cost) to try something they haven't tried before.  I
am fortunate that my vets are pretty much willing to try anything I bring
them and are willing to learn about new or little known treatments or tests.

Acemannan is made by VPL (Veterinary Products Laboratories) and their site
is www.vpl.com if you check the tech support page you will see the contact
info for Dr, Greg Biehle who is the technical assistance person for
Acemannan Immunostimulant.  He is a very nice guy who is willing to speak
with anyone (not just vets) who is seriously interested in trying Acemannan.
If he isn't at the clinic when you call or is busy, he will call you back.

I can understand your reluctance to change things now while Wolfie is
stable, but I am sure you are aware that at some point his condition will
start to go downhill and a change will be needed.  I hope he is able to
maintain for a long time.

Gary

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 6:49 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] WBC/RBC/platelet count decreasing


Hi Gary,

Wolfie hasn't had any transfusions yet.  We've done ultrasounds, x-rays,
lots of panels of testing, etc.  We have discussed transfusions with the
internal med at Cornell but I won't put him through repeated ones just to
buy him a little more time.  I totally understand why other people do it and
I would do it in a crisis until we could try other stuff if needed.

Anyways, I did hear that I'd have to wean off the pred if trying LTCI and
that's why I was asking if anybody has seen this stuff turn around a cat
like this.  I've talked to numerous vets and they all agree they wouldn't
risk taking a stable cat off the pred and having him crash just to try the
LTCI.  I'd feel awful if I made things worse.  I'm torn because I'm willing
to do anything to help him but at $90 a dose, I'm trying to weigh the pros
and cons.

Amy

 I have had a number of cats that were FeLV positive and had
 anemia.  I have
 tried Epogen and if it did anything at all, it wasn't
 noticeable.  It is too
 bad you live in such an expensive area, I'll bet those
 treatments Wolfie has
 had would be half that here in Arkansas.  You are
 fortunate that Wolfie does
 so well with transfusions, many times they don't last very
 long and don't
 raise the HCT all that much.  I also tried
 Immunoregulin on a couple.  It
 appeared there was a very short term improvement and then
 they went
 downhill.  That doesn't mean it wouldn't work for
 you.  I believe the
 protocol says if there isn't an improvement in a very short
 time after
 starting treatment, you know it isn't going to work.
 
 Now is definitely the time to try something while his HCT
 is still at a
 reasonable level.  I haven't tried the LTCI, mostly
 because I can't afford
 it.  I recently took in two kittens that tested
 positive for FeLV, both were
 thin and anemic.  I tried some Acemannan on them and
 they are both doing
 great now.  It is much less expensive than LTCI, but I
 could not guarantee
 it would help in any particular situation.  I wish I
 had the chance to try
 it on a couple of the adult FeLV cats I have lost to
 anemia.
 
 Personally, I don't think any of the available supplements
 that people
 (including myself) give these babies to build their immune
 systems, will
 reverse non-regenerative anemia.  Something a bit more
 proactive is needed.
 If you decide to try LTCI or Acemannan, I believe you will
 have to stop the
 pred. before starting either of those.
 
 Gary


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Re: [Felvtalk] WBC/RBC/platelet count decreasing

2009-11-23 Thread gary
Hi,

I have had a number of cats that were FeLV positive and had anemia.  I have
tried Epogen and if it did anything at all, it wasn't noticeable.  It is too
bad you live in such an expensive area, I'll bet those treatments Wolfie has
had would be half that here in Arkansas.  You are fortunate that Wolfie does
so well with transfusions, many times they don't last very long and don't
raise the HCT all that much.  I also tried Immunoregulin on a couple.  It
appeared there was a very short term improvement and then they went
downhill.  That doesn't mean it wouldn't work for you.  I believe the
protocol says if there isn't an improvement in a very short time after
starting treatment, you know it isn't going to work.

Now is definitely the time to try something while his HCT is still at a
reasonable level.  I haven't tried the LTCI, mostly because I can't afford
it.  I recently took in two kittens that tested positive for FeLV, both were
thin and anemic.  I tried some Acemannan on them and they are both doing
great now.  It is much less expensive than LTCI, but I could not guarantee
it would help in any particular situation.  I wish I had the chance to try
it on a couple of the adult FeLV cats I have lost to anemia.

Personally, I don't think any of the available supplements that people
(including myself) give these babies to build their immune systems, will
reverse non-regenerative anemia.  Something a bit more proactive is needed.
If you decide to try LTCI or Acemannan, I believe you will have to stop the
pred. before starting either of those.

Gary

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Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 9:02 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] WBC/RBC/platelet count decreasing

I've posted before about my cat Wolfie.  He's 7 years old and has been
losing weight for the past 4 years.  His HCT is also down (currently 25).
We've treated for hemobart and retested and he's now negative (was positive
before).  He has started gaining weight and has put on a pound but I'm sure
the leukemia is in his bone marrow.  He's been tested and has
non-regenerative anemia.  He's been stable for a few months but his WBC,
RBC, and platelet counts are all gradually declining.  I was expecting him
to crash when I got the confirmation of non-regenerative anemia but he's
holding his own.  I was told he's probably making red blood cells in his
liver or spleen, just no longer in the bone marrow.  

Has anybody ever had luck with LTCI or any of the other things mentioned
once it has gotten to this point?  I've done all sorts of testing for
digestive issues, lymphoma, IBD, etc.  We have made a couple trips to
Cornell and decided to just keep him on pred and monitor trends for now.  I
keep hoping for some miracle but I know the prognosis is not good.

Thanks
Amy  


  



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Re: [Felvtalk] Reversal of FIP in my six-month-old kitten

2009-11-19 Thread gary
I'm Very glad that Angelica has gotten better.  However, at least with what
you wrote, I don't see a diagnosis of FIP.  Was this a diagnosis made by a
vet?  Were there some tests run with results that were indicative of FIP, or
was this just from observation of clinical signs? 

Gary

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Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 9:02 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Reversal of FIP in my six-month-old kitten

Hi, All, 

 

Just dropping in to post about the success I have had in
reversing FIP in one of my kittens.  
  

 

I pulled three six-week-old kittens from a kill shelter last
June and they have been healthy, happy and thriving.  Then,
following their FVRCP vaccinations on October 8, 10 days
later one of them, Chuckie, began with chronic high fevers,
lethargy and inappetence.  When he didn't rebound in a few
days, I, like so many others, took him for conventional
veterinary treatment which consisted of the routine
antibiotics and steroids.  When he did not respond to their
treatment they simply returned a diagnosis of Fever of
Unknown Origin, and sent me on my way, at which time I
proceeded to a second, and yet a third specialty vet.
They all returned the same diagnosis and basically dismissed
Chuckie and me with no hope.  

 

I had no idea of what to do next but since I had seen such
good results with intravenous vitamin C in my lymphosarcoma
cat Linus (who is still alive nearly two years after his
original diagnosis thanks to the treatments), I took Chuckie
to my vet who performs the ascorbate treatments for me and
Chuckie was started on IV ascorbic acid immediately.  He
received five days of the treatment but not consecutively
and apparently at less then adequate dosages because though
he seemed much improved by the fifth drip, we mistakenly
stopped the drips thinking he would remain better and two
days later he manifested with severe neurological symptoms
and two days after that he was dead.  

 

At around the same time Chuckie was dying his sister
Angelica then became sick with the identical symptoms and
stopped eating and had some transient neurological
involvement.  This time, with the pain from Chuckie's death
and failed conventional treatment still very fresh, I
realized that if Angelica was going to be saved we would
have to bypass conventional vet medicine and get her started
on the intravenous ascorbate immediately.  

 

Her drips were begun on Tuesday, November 10 and according
to the protocol of Wendell Belfield, DVM she was titrated up
quickly to 2 grams per pound of body weight (she weighed 5
pounds and so she was receiving close to 10 grams of vitamin
C intravenously by the third or fourth day).  Vitamin C is a
powerful virucidal and immune stimulant and because I work
in this field, I am well familiar with the properties of
this near miracle supplement.  See
http://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorbate/198x/smith-lh-clinica
l_guide_1988.htm for information as to why and how vitamin C
kills viruses.

 

As of November 19, 2009 Angelica has received nine
intravenous ascorbic acid drips and again, we were able to
successfully achieve the 2g per pound (10,000 mg at each
drip) with no side effects whatsoever.  After her 6th drip
her fevers began to remain down overnight (as Belfield
predicted would happen), and now after 9 drips she is
eating, putting on weight, and her fevers are consistently
gone.  Though I'm always afraid to utter it aloud,
especially after losing two other babies to what I now
believe was FIP in both cases, Angelica appears to have
beaten this despicable disease thanks to the power of
intravenous ascorbate and the work of vitamin C pioneers
like Linus Pauling and Dr. Wendell Belfield in vet medicine.


 

Sally Snyder Jewell



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Re: [Felvtalk] introduction for Spicey

2009-11-10 Thread gary
I would be a bit concerned about why he has been on clavamox for a year.
That is a LONG time to be on any antibiotic.  A decent quality food, as
little stress as possible -not much you can do about the situation - and
lots of love and careful attention to his health.  Many of us give various
supplements in hopes it will help keep the immune system strong.  I don't
think there is any hard data that most of what we give is not more for us
than it is for the cat.  I'm sure you will hear about a lot of different
supplements, personally, I use Moducare.

You are a good person for taking in this kitty.

Gary

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Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 3:38 PM
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Subject: [Felvtalk] introduction for Spicey


A very good friend passed away  her family didn't want the cat. Spicey has
feline leukemia going on 2 years.  I took the cat in  have him in a spare
room away from my cats. He has been on clavamox for about 1 yr per my
friend.  I am waiting on the vet to call to find out all the specifics. Is
there any special food/vitamins/drugs to help? I know nothing of this
disease. I have been during research  says the cat should not be stressed.
Unfortunately, Spicey has been stressed as his owner was in the hospital
since last Tuesday. A neighbor was feeding him but he was hiding under the
couch as he is very timid. And now he is in a strange place, so he has to be
very stressed. It has been 3 hours  he has not come out of his carrier, I
do not know if he will be friendly with me but he has not hissed at all. I
think I maybe taking on too much but in a small way I feel like I am keeping
my friend alive too.

 

Any ideas/suggestions/advice will be greatly appreciated.

 

Thanks,

Joyce  Spicey












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Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update

2009-10-25 Thread gary
Sounds like you are well versed in the crf stuff.  It's tough to watch these
old ones start to fail, I lost a couple of my old guys earlier this year, 17
and 18, had them since they were tiny kittens.

Gary

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Belinda Sauro
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 1:33 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update

Hi Gary,
   Yep, am on both CRF lists ... He's been getting fluids for about 3 
1/2 years now, gets binders, potassium, heart meds and all kinds of 
other goodies.  He has been doing fairly well until the last 4 or 5 
months, he has lost all muscle mass in both back legs and is starting to 
really lose weight.

He is 18 1/2 and sleeps a lot but I guess at that age he as earned it!!

-- 

Belinda


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Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update

2009-10-24 Thread gary
Hi Belinda,

Sorry your little kitty is so sick, an HCT of 16% is serious, but not yet
critical.  The critical part is how fast it is dropping, 10% and under is
critical.  I have had a couple that were so fast nothing could be done.

Now the bad news, you missed.  There wouldn't be much wetness from .15 cc
and there won't be any if it goes in. The dosage is almost correct (probably
close enough) but the actual correct dosage is .16 cc.  If it were me, I
would do it again, even if some of it got in, he needs the whole dose and a
bit over won't hurt him.  I have had a couple of misses myself and there is
just what seems to be a tiny bit of wetness.  If you want to check and see
just how little fluid that really is, just use one of the old syringes and
take up .15 of water and squirt it on his fur.

I don't want to discourage you, but sometimes Epogen works and sometimes it
doesn't.  Also, it takes awhile to get the full benefit of it, sometimes as
long as 2 - 3 weeks.

Presently, I am trying Acemannan Immunostimulant on a couple of FeLV kittens
and it seems to be working.  The smaller kitten I didn't get a HCT on to
start with, he had pale gums and a URI.  The other had an HCT of 18%, after
3 shots of Acemannan (one a week) his HCT just before his fourth shot was
32%.  Both kittens seem to be doing well now.  I wish I had had some of this
when I lost a couple of my adult FeLV cats that got really sick.  I've
spoken to the vet who did the trials and he said it brought some of the test
cats back from death's door.  Of course, it is not 100% effective, works for
some and they lost some.  He said about one third of the calls he gets about
it are from vets who want to try it on their own FeLV or FIV cats.

The down side of it is it is a little expensive and only a vet can buy it.
My vet charges me $125 for four 10 ml vials and I think that may be his cost
or close to it as I was told it was about $175.  The protocol is one shot a
week for 6 weeks and then one a month.  It is dosed at 1 mg per kg. Fred
would need 3.2 mg, the stuff is 1 mg per ml, so 10 mg per bottle or about 3
shots for Fred. The other downside is the first 6 shots are given IP
(through the abdominal wall) so I have the vet do these and even he doesn't
like it.  The monthly shots can be given sub-q. 

The instructions say once it is mixed you have to use it in 4 hours, but the
vet who did the trials said you can keep it in the fridge for a week or in
the freezer for a month.  The two kittens I have use almost a third of a
bottle (it comes in two bottle pairs, one with the powder and one with
saline) and you mix the saline with the powder.  I have them save the saline
bottle and after the first sots I have them take half of what is left and
put it in the saline bottle and I freeze one and put one in the fridge.

Gary   

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Belinda Sauro
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 11:18 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update

 Gary,
   I got the 1ml 2000 IU and Fred weighs 7lb 2oz.  I am using a insulin 
syringe that is 1/2 cc and was told to give Fred .15 or on the 15 line 
on the syringe.  Does that sound right to you, his HCT was 16% on 
Tuesday, he got his first shot today and his fur felt wet after, not 
much but a bit, I hope I didn't miss and he didn't really get it.  I was 
afraid to do more but he is so weak if I did miss I am really afraid he 
won't make it to Sunday when I give him the next dose.

Any suggestions.



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Re: [Felvtalk] Renee'

2009-10-24 Thread gary
Yes, it is.

Gary

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaryChristine
Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 12:28 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Renee'

hey, paula!

has she been retested with the IFA?

(folks, this is the group who sent a FeLV up to gary last year, was it? who
can remember!)

MC


On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 1:21 PM, lexingtongrn lexington...@yahoo.comwrote:

 I have a gray/white cat we (SunsetFelines) rescued behind a used car lot.
 She's  10-12 months old,



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Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update

2009-10-24 Thread gary
Hi Belinda,

OK, just didn't want him to miss out.  I didn't realize he wasn't FeLV
positive. I don't think the Acemannan would be of help with his CRF, Epogen
is the way to go for that.  Are you on the FCRF yahoo list?  Lots of good
info on just about every therapy and support for crf kitties there.  They
usually suggest you start Epogen at 20%, but 16% isn't bad.  You may have
mentioned this before, but do you have to give him fluids regularly?

Gary

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Belinda Sauro
Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 3:33 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update

Gary,
   I tried the test with a used syringe and Fred's fur wasn't anywhere 
near that wet yesterday so I think I figured out what happened.  When I 
tented and started giving him the shot, when he felt the epo going in he 
started to move and I pushed against him harder to keep him from pulling 
the syringe out so I think at that point the syringe may have gone in 
farther and out the other side ... but I think it was towards the end of 
the shot so didn't lose too much.  I am going to give him a little extra 
tomorrow though, his HCT has been slowly dropping over 4 or 5 years, he 
was at 28% when we first diagnosed him hyper-t  CRF 4 years ago and I 
know he was CRF a good year before that, someone had been peeing a lot 
for a while but I couldn't pin point who.  over the last year his HCT 
was between 24% and 20% but since a month ago it went to 16%.  My vet 
checked for bleeding there isn't any so it is because of his CRF.  We 
will check him again in 2 weeks after starting the epo.



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Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update

2009-10-24 Thread gary
I don't believe I have seen any side effects listed anywhere and the two I
have on it have just gotten their 4th shot with no noticeable side effects.
One is just about 11 weeks old and pretty small, the other about 5 months
and both seem to be doing fine.

I don't really know if it would help with the stomatitis, but you can call
the vet that is the company's technical assistance guy for Acemannan.  It is
made by VPL and their tech asst. page is 
http://www.vpl.com/techinfo.php Dr. Greg Biehle is his name and he is very
good about talking to people about it.  I talked to him and my vet talked to
him.  My vet said they were very impressed with him.  Ask him about the
stomatitis.  I think he only works in the morning and has some days he is in
surgery, but he will call you back.

Gary

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jane Lyons
Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 5:51 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update

Gary are their side effects to the Acemannan?
I have never heard about it from my vets, although they always seem the
last to know. My cat is Felv but stable now although she has  
stomatitis. Do you think it
might help?
Thanks
Jane



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Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update

2009-10-23 Thread gary
I thought I had answered this when the subject first came up, but with my
memory, you never know.  They don't have much of a website, it most has a
few links to download forms. 
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/catalog.gsp?cat=538876   It is faster to just
call them if you want to find out if they have what you are looking for and
how much that will be.  You can also have your vet or doctor call in the
script.  Phone number is 1-877-453-4566.

Gary

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
dlg...@windstream.net
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 8:55 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc: MaryChristine
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update

I NEVER HEARDOF WALMART SPECIALITY PHARMACY BEFORE.  DORLIS
 MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com wrote: 
 well, actually i very vaguely think that i might have been mentioned
 years ago in terms of getting fluids, but since i'm not sure, i
 wouldn't know where to find where i might have filed it!
 
 MC
 
 On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 5:26 PM, MaryChristinetwelvehousec...@gmail.com
wrote:
  gary, is there a link to walmart's specialty pharmacy? i've never
  heard of it as an entity before
 
  thanks!
 
  MC
 
  --
  Spay  Neuter Your Neighbors!
  Maybe That'll Make The Difference
 
  MaryChristine
  Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue
(www.purebredcats.org)
  Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team)
 
 
 
 


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Re: [Felvtalk] 2008 AAFP Feline Retrovirus Management

2009-10-22 Thread gary
Since what the cat had is NOT a public health issue, the vet had absolutely
no business refusing (she could recommend) to give you the cat back.  What
she did was to steal your cat and murder it.  What would you have done if it
were a pet?  Did she charge you for euthanizing the cat? I would have, at
the least, filed a formal complaint with the state veterinary licensing
board.  Actually, I don't know of any vet big enough to not give me a cat
back, but that's just me.

Gary

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Debbie Harrison
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 7:20 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] 2008 AAFP Feline Retrovirus Management


Thanks, MCI sent a copy to my vet (the one that told me I couldn't have
my stray back because he would infect all of the neighborhoodshe
euthanized him)...grr..

Debbie (COL)
Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle  Philo


 
 From: twelvehousec...@gmail.com
 Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 19:09:06 -0400
 To: FeLVTalk@felineleukemia.org; felvpositivec...@yahoogroups.com;
purring...@yahoo.com
 Subject: [Felvtalk] 2008 AAFP Feline Retrovirus Management
 
 for those who haven't seen it--or to play out for your vet!
 

http://www.catvets.com/professionals/guidelines/publications/index.aspx?ID=3
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Re: [Felvtalk] New Here w/Questions

2009-10-13 Thread gary
Hi Ellie,

A long trip and a new home can be stressful for a kitty and should be
considered, although, I have FeLV kitties flown to me from across the
country with no noticeable effect.  I think I would be more concerned that
your sibling is simply not going to have much of any time to care for a
kitty.  Of course, a cat usually doesn't require a whole lot of care and
they do well in apartments, but if Brie becomes ill, whether it is a simple
URI or something more serious, will your sibling have the time to care for
Brie?

If Brie goes to NY, there is no need to inform anyone of her FeLV status as
it only effects cats and I assume she will always be in the apartment.

Lysine is not, as thought by many, a general immune booster.  For a general
immune booster you might want to look into Transfer Factor, DMG, or
Moducare, although, as far as I know, there is no real evidence as to how
effective any of them really are.  There are also others, but the most
important things for Brie are a quality food, low stress, fast response to
any indication of illness and lots of love.

Gary

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ellie Foster
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 1:35 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] New Here w/Questions

Hello,

Im new here, my name is Ellie.

I joined because my niece kitty, Brie, is one year old and was diagnosed
with FeLV about a month ago with a faint positive result (she is supposed to
be retested in 2 months).

My question is - my sibling is planning a move across quite a few states
(USA), about 12-14 hours travelling by car, to New York City. Her job will
keep her very occupied, literally up to 20 hours a day!! (I couldnt do it
lol).

No one knew Brie was + until last month because my sister never took her to
the vets after finding her outside, alone, at about 4 weeks old. So, I
finally convinced my sis to let me take Brie in to be spayed, vaccinated,
tested - and, that is when we got the diagnosis.

Just wondering, vet said that stress on kitty is *bad* - is this type of
fairly long-distance move something that qualifies as stressful? (will ask
the vet of course too!)

Has anyone used lysine supplements in an FeLV kitty?

Will my sister encounter any problems in trying to rent an apartment with an
FeLV+ cat?

I ask because I can easily give Brie a home; I have no other kitties
(anymore - both of my elderly (16 19) baby boy cats passed on early this
year, one of CRF, the other of a sudden massive stroke, within 2 months of
each other). And if I can help Brie live a longer, happy life, I would be
incredibly glad to do so.

Brie knows my house, my family, has stayed with us up to 3 weeks in the past
when my sister has been out of town on business.

And I love the little baby Brie anyway! Just want her to live the best life
possible, and am debating offering - again - to let kitty live with me.

Thank you so much for your help  info!

Ellie


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Re: [Felvtalk] New to FLV and have a cat that just tested positive...

2009-10-05 Thread gary
Sorry your kitty has tested positive. Since you are considering vaccinating
Bea, are you assuming she is still/originally negative?Perhaps, it was
Bea who infected Sylvia, you should test Bea ASAP.  

Since I started to take in FeLV cats, I have had two young adults and one
kitten manage to throw off the virus and now test negative.  Although, my
understanding is that once they test positive on the IFA test, converting to
negative is very rare.

If it was Sylvia who had it in the first place and the kitten has been with
her for two months and doesn't have it, she probably won't get it, but I
would still vaccinate if she is negative.  It takes a series of two shots
and about 4 or 5 weeks to develop the full immunity the vaccine gives. 

There are a lot of things out there that people are using for immune
boosters and you can see some of the treatment things on the website, some
are available and some are not, forget Staph Protein A, you can't get it.  I
have tried Immuno Regulin and it didn't help my guys.  Best Friends in Utah
uses it as a immune booster once a month administered Sub-Q.  Since I have
it, I have been considering giving it a try.  It is very hard to determine
if something you are using as an immune booster is actually doing anything.
I am presently trying Acemannan on a couple of new positive kittens I have,
we will see how that works.

The best thing to give them is a good diet, low stress, plenty of love and
vet quickly if they appear sick.  After losing four to a very fast moving
anemia, I check their gums frequently for signs of anemia.

Gary 

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Anna Waltman
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 4:12 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] New to FLV and have a cat that just tested positive...

Hi everyone,
I've been lurking around for the last day or two reading your posts.  My
darling Sylvia, the first cat I have owned as an adult, just tested positive
for FLV on both the in-office and IFA tests.  She's one of my best friends
and I'm devastated; she was negative as a kitten and has lived inside for
most of her life (as a little baby, she was a stray-- I adopted her from the
SPCA at five months, and I know she was there for a while before I adopted
her).  She was given a confident all-clear by my former vet to move with me
to Massachusetts and live in a multiple-cat household less than three months
ago.

Upon moving, it became obvious that Sylvia doesn't like being left alone in
the apartment for long periods of time (prior to our move, we lived with my
retired parents and their two dogs so she was almost never home alone). I
decided to adopt a kitten, Beatrice, a few weeks after we moved in, after
Sylvia had gotten comfortable in the apartment.

So when Sylvia started meowing strangely and acting a little lethargic, I
assumed it was a kitty flu but took her to the vet anyway, just to be safe,
and tested her just to be absolutely sure she was still negative.  What a
horrible surprise.  She's been living with Bea for a month or two now and
they're best friends; they wrestle all the time, share food bowls, groom
each other, etc.  I feel sick with guilt about bringing a young kitten into
a house with a FLV+ cat, and now chances are I have two positive cats to
care for.  Our current vet is wonderful, though, and she feels that if we
vaccinate Bea ASAP and keep a close eye on Sylvia (treating her problems as
they arise), there's a good chance we can keep both of them healthy for a
long time.  She says she has other patients and co-workers with FLV+ and
negative cats living in the same household who never pass it to each other.
I'm feeding them a mix of Wellness and Innova ENVO and giving the kitten
multivitamins to boost her immune system and help her fight off the
exposure.

I'm a young graduate student in an MA/PhD program and I don't have a ton of
money.  These kitties had been the most stable thing in my life and this
diagnosis is totally eating me up, from the inside out.  I love them to
pieces and want to be the best cat-parent I can to my girls (having chronic
illnesses myself that significantly increase my risk of certain health
problems, I'm as empathic about this as anyone).  The horrible potential of
this disease breaks my heart every time I think about it.  My childhood cat
passed away a few months before I got Sylvia, and I can't bear to lose
another one like that (he was very sick for a long time before he died, but
we don't know what it was.  Could've been FLV or FIV; he wasn't tested every
year, though he was vaccinated.  He was indoor/outdoor and a fighter).

What do you wish you had known when your cat was first diagnosed, if
anything?  If there is any advice people have, I would appreciate it, and as
I gain experience caring for my girls I will share what has worked and what
hasn't with anyone who asks.

Many thanks and best wishes

[Felvtalk] Acemannan

2009-09-28 Thread gary
Has anyone presently on the list ever used Acemannan for their FeLV positive
cat(s)?

Gary


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Re: [Felvtalk] Administrative List

2009-09-21 Thread gary
I see it.

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ter...@tazzys.org
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 10:23 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc: James Wilson
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Administrative List

 

Hello,

Can anyone read this?

 

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501(c)3 Non-Profit national rescue.

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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Q re Staph Protein A

2009-09-21 Thread gary
Laurie,

Interesting, I can tell you that my vet had the chance to use it about 10
years ago when he got some from a research project at his vet school and he
said it was very effective in turning around anemia in FeLV cats.

Also, I spoke with several distributors and it is definitely ONLY available
for research (they were pretty tight about what research was) said they
wouldn't sell it to my vet unless he could convince them with his
application (written, not on the phone) to buy it, that he was doing a
research project and would be producing a paper.  It does not have any
approval to be used as a treatment (like LTCI has) on any animal or human
for any reason.

If your vet can get it, please tell him to get it for me and he can ship it
to my vet.  I will gladly pay all costs to give this a try.

Or, if anybody knows a biological researcher...

Gary

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Laurieskatz
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 5:04 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Q re Staph Protein A

Here is our internal medicine veterinarian's response..

Laurie

 

Hi Laurie - I do know a little about this product.  The most recent studies
looking at this product showed that it did not help kitties with FeLV, which
is why it isn't routinely recommended.  Because of this, I have never used
it.  I suppose if someone wanted to try it anyway they would have to contact
the drug distributors to see how to get their hands on it.  I don't think it
is only for research purposes, but can't say that for sure. 

 



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Re: [Felvtalk] First Doses of Imulan For Murphy Rosie

2009-09-20 Thread gary
Hi,

Glad your kitty is testing negative.  Could you answer a few questions,
please?

How old is you cat?  How long ago did he test positive for FeLV? Did he test
positive on an IFA test, or just the SNAP test?  How many LTCI shots has he
had?  And why is he on an immune modulator like LTCI and at the same time on
an immune suppressant like pred.?

Thanks,
Gary

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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] First Doses of Imulan For Murphy  Rosie

I wish you the best! My cat uses the same medication  has tested  
negative for leukemia for the last few months. We have no idea if it  
is the injections or what. He is also on Prednisolone  has bi-weekly  
blood test to check levels. We just take one day at a time. Hang in  
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Re: [Felvtalk] ADMIN: testing the list

2009-09-18 Thread gary
Looks like the list is working.  

I have a question/info for you.  On the web site it talks about a number of
different treatments that have and are, being tried for feline leukemia.
One of those that looked especially encouraging is Staph Protein A.  My vet
had some from his vet school about 10 years ago and found that it really did
help with cases of anemia.  

I have done some looking and even though Staph Protein A is readily
available from a number of places, is not terribly expensive and does work,
you can't get it.  It is not approved as a treatment for any animal or
human, it is strictly for research only.  Pretty much that means unless you
are a legitimate biological researcher, they won't sell it to you.  It seems
a shame that there is a product with a known ability to help and we can't
get it.

If anyone on the list knows of a source for it, please contact me off list.

Thanks,
Gary gcru...@centurytel.net

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of James G Wilson
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 1:21 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] ADMIN: testing the list

Hey all, 

I'm just testing the list since there hasn't been any activity 
since Monday. I hope no news is good news for everyone 
here. Please let me know if you're having any problems 
with the list. I'm always happy to assist. Best wishes to all.

James G. Wilson - phaed...@charter.net


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Re: [Felvtalk] Question about A/D

2009-09-02 Thread gary
It is a prescription food and you can only buy it from a vet.

Gary

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Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 5:58 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about A/D

Where do you buy A/D?  Is that the REAL name if I went into a store?

Susan 



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Re: [Felvtalk] Imulan and Autumn update

2009-08-31 Thread gary
I do hope that Autumn gets better with the LTCI.  If she comes back by any
means from a HCT level of 4%, it will be quite a feat.

Just a couple of comments.  First, as far as I have seen, there is very
little science to back up Imulan's claims.  There have been no real trials,
just short term, limited and sometimes not well controlled or documented,
experiments.

Second, if they are more than happy to talk to you, they have changed their
ways since I called.  When I called (some months ago) they would not discuss
any technical info with me and when my vets office called they wouldn't
discuss it with anyone but the vet himself.

I would love it if they would run a real trial, but I fear they are now
making so much money as things are right now, they will never do it.  They
just ran a very short (couple of months) trial of using LTCI on cats with
the dry form of FIP.  There is a lady on the FIP list that had several of
her allegedly FIP positive cats in the trial.  The criteria for getting a
cat into the trial excluded cats with some of the most common symptoms of
dry FIP and did not even require complete blood work.  They seemed to
concentrate on a feline corona virus titer test, which, even the company who
makes it admits does not diagnose FIP, it is only an indicator.

For Autumn's sake I hope it works.  There have been reports of it helping
and reports of it not doing anything noticeable. 

Gary

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Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 10:25 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Imulan and Autumn update

Hello everyone,

I wanted to give you an update on Autumn and the TCLI injection(Imulan).
When I brought her to the emergency center last Tuesday, she was
starting with respiratory distress and crying out.  Her hematocrit was 4%.
She was on her way out.  She got the transfusion - they called me about 1/4
of the way through and told me they didn't think she'd make it.  She did.
Since she's been home, each day her energy is improving.  I got the second
injection of TCLI and administered it on Saturday.  Everyday she's looking
better.  She's sitting up, walking and drinking independently.  This may
only be the effects of the transfusion, so I am holding off judgement for
now.  I will be getting a CBC this week to see what we're dealing with.  In
the meantime, I am praying, and have her on Ambrotrose (a glycoprotein
supplement thought to help in the fight against felv), vitamin supplements
and intermittently transfer factor.  She hemolyzed (destroyed) many of
the red blood cells after the transfusion as she turned yellow (jaundice -
secondary to breakdown of hemoglobin) but clinically her energy is improving
and her alertness returning.  I will keep you updated.

I pray that there is hope in this injection.  It seems to me that the
science is pretty sound.  Most vets aren't aware of this product and have a
lot of suspicion surrounding any treatment to felv+.  It is reasonable since
their vet school training told them it was a fatal and untreatable disease.
Most of us have experienced that first hand.

I had to search long and hard to find a vet that could help me, but if you
call Imulan directly they are happy to talk with you or your vet.  I have
nothing but good experiences with them so far.

We shall see, good luck everyone.

Jenny




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Re: [Felvtalk] Darcy Is An Angel Now

2009-08-30 Thread gary
My first FeLV kitty to die had the rear legs stop working and he was unable
to eliminate on his own.  They checked and it was not a clot, they believed
it to be a neurological problem.  Most cats with a clot are - as you
described - in a lot of pain.  With my boy there didn't seem to be any pain.
I have seen several others post about similar problems in FeLV cats, I guess
it is one of the things that can happen to them.

Gary

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Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 3:45 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc: Jody Butler
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Darcy Is An Angel Now

Dr. Fox had a letter in his column recently from a lady whose cat suddenly
lost control of her back legs and was screaming constantly.  he said this
often happens expecially with older cats.  they develope a blood clot and it
lodges in the spie just before the hind legs, causing paralysis.  if you get
to the hospital fast enough, can remove/disolve the clot releaving the
painand paralysis.  not so with an older cat, they usually cnnot take the
anethesia.  dorlis
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Re: [Felvtalk] Urgent! FeLV cat -New Jersey- I need to find him a Sanctuary

2009-08-24 Thread gary
Never heard of them, but the place sure looks spiffy.  And the price they
get to take a cat should more than cover its care and the upkeep on the
property.  Now if I could get a few donations like that.
Heck, if I got any donations  Ah, I would probably just spend it
foolishly on stuff like cat food, litter and vet bills anyway.

Gary

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Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 1:03 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Urgent! FeLV cat -New Jersey- I need to find him a
Sanctuary

http://www.loveandhopeforanimals.org/

has anyone ever heard of these folks before?

i find it really scary how many sanctuaries keep appearing, with no history
in the FIV/FeLV community.

MC



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Re: [Felvtalk] Urgent! FeLV cat -New Jersey- I need to find him a Sanctuary

2009-08-24 Thread gary
I wouldn't say having only 10 cats listed for adoption is necessarily
suspicious.  It is - at least partly - a sanctuary and not an adoption
center.  If I paid from five to ten thousand to get a cat in there, I would
probably expect he is going to stay for life, why else would I pay that kind
of money?  It doesn't appear to be so huge that the cats wouldn't get any
individual attention.  Overcrowding is much less like when the entry fee is
that high.

This doesn't mean it is a good place, we just don't know.  Do we have anyone
in that area who could take a look?

Gary


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Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 1:18 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Urgent! FeLV cat -New Jersey- I need to find him a
Sanctuary

Hmmm.  Only 10 cats listed for adoption on their petfinder site.  And only
one of those, an FIV+ boy, is listed as special needs.  

This also makes me suspicious about the long term viability of the place. 
You have to be committed to finding homes for the cats.  They need human
families, attention, and they won't get that in a giant sanctuary setting. 
And if you're not focused on adoptions, you have to strictly limit your
intake to avoid becoming overwhelmed.





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Re: [Felvtalk] Urgent! FeLV cat -New Jersey- I need to find him a Sanctuary

2009-08-24 Thread gary
Perhaps, it is just a different way of looking at a situation. If I paid
that kind of money to place my cat there I would expect them to move heaven
and earth to care for that cat for the rest of its life.  That is, in fact,
just what people are doing and I think it would be a breach of contract for
someone who was paid 5 to 10 thousand to care for a cat for life, to adopt
it out to someone else that has no contractual obligation to me.

As MC said, it is a sanctuary, not a shelter.  If I had 5 to 10 thousand to
place a cat there, I would definitely be flying there to see the place,
getting references from others, vet references, etc., etc.

Gary

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Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 8:05 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Urgent! FeLV cat -New Jersey- I need to find him a
Sanctuary

That's really the bottom line.  Someone has to visit the place in person.

If I paid that kind of money to surrender one of my cats, I would expect
whoever took the money would move heaven and earth to find the cat a real
home.  I really expect that any remotely adoptable cat will at least be
listed for adoption.





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Re: [Felvtalk] Staph Protein A

2009-08-10 Thread gary
It won't matter much if we can't figure out how to get some.  Anybody out
there with a biological research company who would be willing to buy us some
Staph Protein A for the research on our kitties?

Gary

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 9:54 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Staph Protein A

Hi Hebert,

Do you mind if I forward this info to my vet so she can give me her opinion
on Staph Protein A?

Thanks
Amy




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Re: [Felvtalk] Research into FeLV: was Staph Protein A

2009-08-10 Thread gary
I haven't heard that anyone is presently doing any research on felines with
Staph Protein A.  What would really be frustrating would be to find someone
to do it and have great success and then not be able to get Staph Protein A
because it is not authorized as a drug or treatment for anything.  Maybe we
could get the USDA to give a provisional license like LTCI has if we can get
someone to do a research project.  As you know, LTCI did not have a LOT of
data when they got the license for that.

Gary

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Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 10:08 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Research into FeLV: was Staph Protein A

wow, hebert, thank you for these great posts! (and your english is better
than many who claim to be native speakers.)

i have always been under the impression, tho, that FIV, not FeLV, was
considered by researchers to be more analogous to  HIV/AIDS (an early
hypothesis which i believe has been adequately disproven), even tho it
appears to those of us who aren't scientists but have done the best reading
they can that FeLV is much closer in manner of transmission, manifestation,
and course.

gary, have pedersen or levy done any work with this? they're the two folks,
off-hand, that i can think of who have consistently continued actually
researching FeLV--susan little, as well, seems to have been fairly on top of
what research is going on. might they know about any researchers
currently working on this?

i remember when i first got involved with FeLV, from living at a sanctuary,
and i was asking why no one was doing safe, minimally invasive research on
the three main populations of FeLVs in the countries, at that time Best
Friends, us, and Angel Wings (in terms of population size)--i was told then
that answering the questions that folks on this list and others were already
asking would probably require catching the interest of a drug company, as
private or academic researchers wouldn't likely have the funding. (back
to my usual comment about how difficult it is to do research on a population
that is regularly treated by immediate euthanasia.)

i'm not sure how many folks here really realize that a great deal of
research on genetic conditions in cats could not have come about without the
involvement--and fundraising--on the part of breeders, determined to
eradicate killers in their own breeds (HCM in maine coons and bengals
immediately comes to mind.) FeLV owners aren't as identifiable an entity as
cattery owners, and while their emotional investment is just as great, i'm
not sure how to mobilize us to perhaps do the same for this illness.




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Re: [Felvtalk] Staph Protein A

2009-08-10 Thread gary
He did, but I believe he also said he was a researcher.  I spoke to them the
other day and they said they only sell to researchers as Staph Protein A is
not authorized for any kind of treatment or other use with animals.

Gary

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 12:55 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Staph Protein A

Oh, my mistake.  I thought I read that he got some from Sigma Aldrich.  I'll
have to go back and read more.

Amy

--- On Mon, 8/10/09, gary gcru...@centurytel.net wrote:

 From: gary gcru...@centurytel.net
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Staph Protein A
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 1:07 PM
 It won't matter much if we can't
 figure out how to get some.  Anybody out
 there with a biological research company who would be
 willing to buy us some
 Staph Protein A for the research on our kitties?
 
 Gary
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
 On Behalf Of Amy
 Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 9:54 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Staph Protein A
 
 Hi Hebert,
 
 Do you mind if I forward this info to my vet so she can
 give me her opinion
 on Staph Protein A?
 
 Thanks
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Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update

2009-08-08 Thread gary
I made a slight error when typing below, it should say a dose is 100 units
PER KG, not just 100 units.  How many doses one vial gives you depends on
the size of your cat.  For mine it is 5 doses, just about enough to see if
it is working.  You start with 3 times a week and as you approach your
target level of hemocrit, you start cutting back to twice a week and monitor
results and then to once a week and if you get lucky, maybe to once every 10
- 14 days.  It just depends on how the hemocrit level responds.  Here is a
link to an article you may find helpful.
http://www.felinecrf.org/anaemia.htm#epogen_eprex_procrit 

Your vet is over the edge on prices, just have him call it in to the Walmart
Specialty Pharmacy at 1-877-453-4566.  You will also need U100 insulin
syringes, they are .5ml maximum and are marked for .01ml minimum so it is
pretty easy to draw up the units you need.

Gary

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 8:31 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update

Hi Gary,

How many shots does that vial give you?  I'm trying to figure out the
expense of Epogen.  My vet quoted me $277 for Procrit and she said it was
almost double that at the other pharmacy she uses.  I need to do the math to
figure out how many doses that $277 is for but it sounds like your deal is
way better.  

Amy

 I had the vet call in a prescription
 to the Walmart Specialty Pharmacy.
 
 It was $30.68 for a 1ml 2000 unit vial and they shipped it
 FedEx overnight
 for free.  Got it about an hour ago and have already
 given the first shot
 (100 units).  As long as it is given Sub-q, I do it
 myself (shots, fluids,
 etc.).
 
 I am looking into Staph Protein A which showed a lot of
 promise in treating
 FeLV back in the mid 80s.  This is given with a shot
 into the abdominal
 cavity - I think I will be letting the vet do that.
 
 Gary
 


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Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update

2009-08-08 Thread gary
Procrit and Epogen are exactly the same product.  It is made by the same
company, but labeled as Procrit for another company that sells it.

Gary

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Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 9:35 PM
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Amy, check on the Anemia board.  I believe that fewer shots/wk are required
with the Procrit than the Epogen.  In the end I think the cost is pretty
much a wash.
Sharyl



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Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update

2009-08-08 Thread gary
It came FedEx overnight in a little styrofoam cooler with two ice packs that
were still mostly frozen.

Gary

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Belinda Sauro
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 12:04 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update

   Gary,
 Make sure it has been kept cold or it is worthless.  It should be kept 
in the fridge and not shaken.

-- 

Belinda
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Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update

2009-08-08 Thread gary
I didn't price what Walmart charges for multiple vials, might even be
cheaper.

Gary

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 9:09 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update

Hi Gary,

This makes more sense.  I saw you said you gave a dose of 100 units and I
was thrown since my vet told me to dose at 100 units per KG.  The price is
actually pretty similar that way because you have 4 doses at $30 or 24 doses
at $240.  My vet's quote was for Procrit, 24 doses (500U/dose, dosed at
100U/kg).  I will definitely let her know about the Walmart specialty
pharmacy, though, since it's still about $40 less.  Thanks for that info.
It will be nice to not have to start with buying 24 doses right from the
start since this will be our first time trying it. 

Amy

 I made a slight error when typing
 below, it should say a dose is 100 units
 PER KG, not just 100 units.  How many doses one vial
 gives you depends on
 the size of your cat.  For mine it is 5 doses, just
 about enough to see if
 it is working.  You start with 3 times a week and as
 you approach your
 target level of hemocrit, you start cutting back to twice a
 week and monitor
 results and then to once a week and if you get lucky, maybe
 to once every 10
 - 14 days.  It just depends on how the hemocrit level
 responds.  Here is a
 link to an article you may find helpful.
 http://www.felinecrf.org/anaemia.htm#epogen_eprex_procrit
 
 
 Your vet is over the edge on prices, just have him call it
 in to the Walmart
 Specialty Pharmacy at 1-877-453-4566.  You will also
 need U100 insulin
 syringes, they are .5ml maximum and are marked for .01ml
 minimum so it is
 pretty easy to draw up the units you need.
 
 Gary
 


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Re: [Felvtalk] Staph Protein A

2009-08-08 Thread gary
Herbert,

Thank you very much for the reply.  I guess I will have to see if I can find
someone with a research company or university who would purchase it for me
as I have not found anyone doing and research with FeLV cats at this time.

If I am thinking of the same study that had a 28% positive outcome, they
said if you didn't count the very sick cats who died after only one or two
treatments, it was 46%.

What protocol did you use on your cats and for how long?

Gary

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Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 8:58 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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Dear Gary
I have used Staphoccocal Protein-A, from Sigma Aldrich:
Product: P6031 - 1MG, Protein A from Staphylococcus aureus; Soluble,
essentially salt-free, lyophilized powder;  or Product: P3838 - 1MG, Protein
A from Staphylococcus aureus; Soluble, Cowan Strain, essentially salt-free,
lyophilized powder. 
http://www.sigmaaldrich.com/etc/medialib/docs/Sigma/productinformationsheet2
/p3838pis.Par.0001.File.tmp/p3838pis.pdf 

 

It is important to note that transgenic Protein A expressed in Escherichia
colli, although having the same immunoglobulin binding properties, does not
have the same superantigenic properties as the native one. The difference
may be due to a bit of contamination with other superantigens from
Staphlococcus aureus (perhaps with staph entherotoxin-A during product
extraction and purification). So the transgenic version does not serve to
our intent.

This product is currently used as a chemical reagent, and not as a
medication (except in experimental studies). You have to register before
buying and affiliation to some university or research institute is wanted
(maybe you can get an aid from another person).

Although I am a researcher, I was not made any experiment with my FelV+
cats, so I cannot be sure if apparently hopeful outcomes were not merely by
chance. I just think the subject merits more attention, considering the
earlier surprising results obtained by scientists.  I am also aware of a
subsequent statistically controlled study carried on by Vet-researchers
found no significant difference from the placebo group. But I am also aware
that unknown variables, then unsuspected (such a little bit of contamination
mentioned above, certainly a trait neither standard nor regularly desired by
the fabricants), can account for different results obtained by different
researchers in different circumstances.

By the way, tree of my four FelV+ cats have already gone (crossed the bridge
as you say), Pupa and Mãe victims of lymphoma, and Porchops due an
idiopathic cystitis (apparently not felv-related).  All the four got
considerable improvement in most blood counts during and after treatment and
never suffered from FelV-related opportunistic infections. Jorge, the one
that remains in this world, is doing very fine, thanks, being asymptomatic
up to now.  Early experiments using protein A have reported that 28% of the
cats respond positively to the treatment. I think the attempt was not
deceiving yet.

 

Best wishes for you all.

Hebert

 


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Re: [Felvtalk] More Hemobart

2009-08-08 Thread gary
Hemobart is around quite a bit, but many times it doesn't show on the test
even if there are symptoms, because the number of parasites in the blood
varies and are sometimes not detected.  Hemobart cannot be cured, a good
immune system or enough doxy will make it go and hide and do no harm, but it
is still there and a drop in the immune system with stress, trauma or
illness can bring it out.

If in doubt, I would just treat him for it anyway.

Gary

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 9:12 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] More Hemobart

Ok, so I took my FIV+ cat in for her check up and her HCT was 29%, low for
her and the same as Wolfie's was a month ago.  We checked her for hemobart
and she has also come back positive for the same organism as Wolfie, M.
haemominutum.  I have never had fleas in my home that I'm aware of.  All my
cats go every 6 months for full check-ups.  I'm going to take my other 2 in
next week to get checked but am wondering if anybody else has tested for
hemobart.  I read somewhere that leuk positive cats are predisposed to
testing positive for this.  I've also read it's not contagious so I'm
stunned by the fact that cats from different locations, brought in at
different times, have this.  I'm hoping that this may be the cause of
Wolfie's anemia/weight loss now that I see Sierra's HCT is possibly being
affected by it as well.  Fingers crossed that I'm dealing with anemia due to
this and not nonregenerative anemia.  My vet says hemobart is not that
common so I'm
 curious how many others have come across it in.  All my cats have had
numerous blood smears done (every 6 months for the past 5-6 years) and have
never shown any sign of hemobart.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update

2009-08-07 Thread gary
Hi Amy,

I am expecting to delivery of the Epogen for one of my FeLV positives today.
I will let everyone know how it works out.

Gary

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 9:00 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update

Thanks for the info.  I've joined the anemia group and am reading up on it.
Has anybody on this list tried the Epogen for a leuk pos cat that is anemic?
I read a lot about Epogen being very effective for anemia and I read about
people using it for CRF.  Just wondering what sort of experiences people
have had using it for non-regenerative anemia not due to CRF.

Thanks
Amy



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Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update

2009-08-07 Thread gary
I had the vet call in a prescription to the Walmart Specialty Pharmacy.

It was $30.68 for a 1ml 2000 unit vial and they shipped it FedEx overnight
for free.  Got it about an hour ago and have already given the first shot
(100 units).  As long as it is given Sub-q, I do it myself (shots, fluids,
etc.).

I am looking into Staph Protein A which showed a lot of promise in treating
FeLV back in the mid 80s.  This is given with a shot into the abdominal
cavity - I think I will be letting the vet do that.

Gary

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sander, Sue
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 2:04 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update

Gary,  What do you mean you are expecting a delivery of Epogen.  Don't
you need to get this from your vet?  I'm new to all of this.

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[Felvtalk] Staph Protein A

2009-08-07 Thread gary
Has anyone on the list ever used Staph Protein A for treatment of FeLV cats?
If so, where did you get it?  I just talked with two of the manufacturers
that are listed on the Felineleukemia.org site and both said they could not
sell it except to a research facility.  They said if a vet wanted it, he
would have to be doing a research study and his application for it would be
reviewed by the company to see if they though he met their criteria.  They
would not sell it simply for treatment use.

I will keep looking, but it seems a shame that something with all the
promise of Staph Protein A (and a LOT cheaper than LTCI) can't be purchased
to save kitties.

Gary


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Re: [Felvtalk] Have I done enough to open the room where our beautiful little FELV+ kitty died?

2009-08-02 Thread gary
The FeLV virus is quite fragile outside of the body and doesn't live long at
all.  It should be perfectly safe to let the other kitties in there now.

You didn't say how old she was, but she may have had it since she was a
small kitten.  I know how you feel, I have recently lost several of my FeLV
kitties and have another who is sick now.

Gary

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Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 12:55 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Have I done enough to open the room where our
beautiful little FELV+ kitty died?

are your other cats vaccinated? if so I would go ahead.



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Re: [Felvtalk] Introduction - Rebecca

2009-08-02 Thread gary
Many cats are naturally immune to FeLV.  We each have to make our own
decisions, but if I were in your situation I would not put Becca down and
would let her continue to live with the others.  I think it quite unlikely -
especially after being vaccinated - that they would contract FeLV.  Of
course, there are no guarantees.  Also, you would have to consider very
carefully if you were going to bring another kitty into the house while you
still have Becca.

Gary

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Iva Lark Emily
Seaberg
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 11:51 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Introduction - Rebecca

My 2 year old cat Rebecca (Becca) was diagnosed with FeLV on Friday. A brief
history: I adopted Becca, along with another kitty Katherine, from PetSmart
when they were a few months old. They had both been tested FeLV negative.
But I did notice that a week after I brought them home Becca developed large
lymph nodes around her neck that disappeared in a few weeks. I thought
nothing of it and thought maybe she was fighting something off. They both
came home with ringworm so the vet and I assumed Becca was just reacting to
it pretty badly. 
 
Almost a year later I adopted two kittens (Kiera and Casanova) from my
neighbor, both FeLV negative. Shortly after I brought them home and around
the time they both got spayed/neutered at the SPCA one of them
(Kiera) developed the same swollen lymph nodes. Well, a few months ago Kiera
was diagnosed with FeLV and was in the end stages. She was only 11 months
old. I had no choice but to put her to sleep. By the time she was diagnosed
she already had several large tumors in her body, had stopped eating, and
one of the tumors was blocking her intestines. There was no hope for her. It
was extremely hard to take as she was the only furbaby I had really bonded
with at that point.
 
Well the vet said to wait a few months and test my remaining kitties. We
still have no idea how they got it, but I wonder if it happened at PetSmart
or the SPCA?  They are all indoor cats and have never been exposed to other
kitties outside of those two experiences. Anyway, we tested my three
remaining cats and one was positive. She has no symptoms aside from some bad
gum inflammation. She's fairly healthy and extremely active. The vet
recommended I put her to sleep to protect the other cats. I initially agreed
and the appt is scheduled for tomorrow. However, after researching and
looking around it appears that 1. If the other cats haven't caught it by now
chances are they might not. The sick kitty is 2 years old, the healthy
kitties are 2 years old and 15 months old. 2. I had the healthy kitties
vaccinated against FeLV on the vet's recommendation and think that after
they get their boosters the odds might be even slimmer of them getting
infected. For
 now I have isolated Becca to my master bedroom/bathroom. I was planning on
releasing her in three weeks after the other two kitties get their booster
shots. 
 
Am I making the right call? If I put Becca to sleep and the others
eventually test positve then I will be crushed! But I don't want to continue
to risk them either. It looks like based on my research it is rare for adult
cats to get FeLV, and if they have already been exposed for so long (over a
year) and are currently negative then aren't the odds good? I have to call
the vet tomorrow to cancel the euthanasia and ask for some antibiotics
instead, and I want to have some good reasons to give her for my change of
heart, along with some good documentation she can research. I figure I can
always use the next three weeks to think the decision through but if I put
her down I can't take it back.  I don't know how much longer I'd have with
her... but doing this when she is so healthy just doesn't sit with me. 
 
I should add, I got these four kitties to replace my last kitty, who died
from Renal Failure. He was given a few months to live and lived for three
years under my care. I'm not afraid of a little work if it means quality of
life for her and more time together with minimal risk to my other angels.
 
Help??
 
Iva


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Re: [Felvtalk] websitefor aging kitties

2009-07-28 Thread gary
There is a Yahoo group called geriatric-cats.

Gary

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Helene R. Hand
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 11:13 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] websitefor aging kitties

Hi, You'all,
 

Is there a website like ours with member participation for routine (healthy)
geriatric cat care.this is for a friend of mine.who really needs some
good advice about her aging  cat Sneakers
 
Helene


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Re: [Felvtalk] Remove me from email list

2009-07-13 Thread gary
Why not just go to the URL at the bottom of every message 
http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
scroll to the bottom of the page and follow the instructions to unsubscribe?

-Original Message-
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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Holly Cohen
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 10:42 AM
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Subject: [Felvtalk] Remove me from email list

Please remove me.

 

The 2nd request that I sent bounced back.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Ebony and FELV

2009-06-25 Thread gary
I would go ahead and treat for Hemobart anyway, many times it does not show
on the test.  I have no experience with Epogen, but I have seen others state
that it worked for them.  It is possible for a cat to develop a resistance
to Epogen after awhile, but might still be worth it for the extra time it
should give you with Ebony.  With Immunoregulin, if you don't see
improvement very quickly, it is not going to work.  I would continue with
pettinic or some other supplement with iron.  I hope Ebony's HCT level has
not gotten too low or the Epogen won't have time to work without a
transfusion.

Gary

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Grahame Lippert
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 5:19 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Ebony and FELV

Hi my name is Grahame and my 2 year old cat Ebony has diagnosed with FELV
about a month ago. She was also anemic.  That vet pretty much said there was
nothing that could be done. We then went to a second vet and had some more
tests done. She tested negative for hemobartonella and she had non
regenetive anemia. I asked the vet about Imuunoregulin and epogen. She
decided we should start Ebony on the immunoregulin and she has been on this
for 2 weeks for a total of 6 shots.  I have also been giving her pettiinic
during this time. Ebony actually had improved on her condition 2 weeks ago,
before we started the immunoregulin. Now its 2 weeks later and I can tell
she is more anemic by the way she is acting and the color of her tongue. I
am going to the vet tonite to get her blood counts. What should I try for my
Ebony? I'm willing to try anything albeit reasonably priced. Prednisone?
Epogen? Could it still be Hemobartonella?

Thank you in advance for the help

Grahame
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Re: [Felvtalk] Question about A/D

2009-06-18 Thread gary
It is Hill's Prescription Diet a/d.

Gary

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sander, Sue
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 11:53 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about A/D

But is it simply called A/D with Banfield?  What is Banfield?

Thanks,

Susan 

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Harrison
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 12:52 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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I'm almost certain it is made by Hill's Science Diet

Debbie (COL)
Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle  Philo


 


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Re: [Felvtalk] interferon alpha

2009-06-09 Thread gary
The dilution is just simple math, if you divide 3 million by 1000, you get
3000.  Then, if you divide 3000 by 100, you get 30.  I don't know if you'd
get much info about freezing it from a pharmacist, it's made for humans to
take as one shot, not to dilute and save.

Gary 

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaryChristine
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 1:33 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] interferon alpha

i'd call another pharmacist, actually, and ask or maybe look it up in
the merck manual (human or vet)?

On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 1:11 AM, Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote:

 Hey Gary - OK - I'll have to see what I'm getting from the vet here, and
 see if my freezing is at the right time. These figures were from Island
 Pharm.  But I usually don't mix again after the initial mixing.  And I
know
 he gives me 1000 ml saline.

 Thanks for the insight -

 Gloria




 On Jun 8, 2009, at 10:23 PM, gary wrote:

  Gloria,

 Slight math error, 3 million units cut with 1000 ml of saline gives you
 3000
 units per ml and this can be frozen indefinitely.  You usually break that
 up
 into one ml containers and freeze.  When you need one, thaw it out and
cut
 with 100 ml of saline and that gives you 30 IU per ml.  Island always
said
 you shouldn't freeze it after the final dilution, but I don't know if
that
 is true or not.

 Gary


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 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane
 Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 9:20 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] interferon alpha

 I haven't bought any interferon alpha in a while. The Island Pharmacy
 article on interferon alpha is here:
 http://www.islandpharmacy.com/site/1420401/page/769212

 Somewhere I read and heard that it was ok to refreeze it, so have been
 doing that but the Island Pharmacy article says not to do that.

 I know that there are a lot of diverse views and not always truths
 known about oral low dose interferon alpha.  When I've bought it
 locally, I get a vial which contains 3 million units per 0.5ml .
 This is mixed in with 1000 ml sterile saline solution, and yields 30
 units per ml.  . So at this point,  Island Pharmacy says not to
 refreeze it.

 Just wondering if anyone has any other opinions or info on it?

 Thanks!

 Gloria
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Re: [Felvtalk] Freezing meds.....

2009-06-09 Thread gary
Personally, I don't see why the amount of dilution should make any
difference in whether you can freeze it or not, but if you took a 3 million
unit vial and diluted it to 30 units per ml, it would take up quite a lot of
freezer space as you would have one thousand, 100 ml containers to freeze
and store instead of 1000, one ml containers.

There is certainly plenty of CMA in the medical field.

Gary

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 4:04 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Freezing meds.

Gary, we all count on you for info. on our vet meds, so thanks.

As for freezing stuff... I freeze all my meds, vet meds and
human meds.  I've had human meds in the freezer as long as ten years
and they still work fine.  I've also had Clavamox in the freezer for
two years past the expiration date and it works fine.

I've asked several pharmacists about freezing meds, and they all say
not to do it, BUT I wonder if they have to say this to cover their
butts just in case.  There is a lot of CMA in the medical field.

What are your thoughts on this? 

Lorrie


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Re: [Felvtalk] interferon alpha

2009-06-08 Thread gary
Gloria,

Slight math error, 3 million units cut with 1000 ml of saline gives you 3000
units per ml and this can be frozen indefinitely.  You usually break that up
into one ml containers and freeze.  When you need one, thaw it out and cut
with 100 ml of saline and that gives you 30 IU per ml.  Island always said
you shouldn't freeze it after the final dilution, but I don't know if that
is true or not.

Gary


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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane
Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 9:20 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] interferon alpha

I haven't bought any interferon alpha in a while. The Island Pharmacy  
article on interferon alpha is here:
http://www.islandpharmacy.com/site/1420401/page/769212

Somewhere I read and heard that it was ok to refreeze it, so have been  
doing that but the Island Pharmacy article says not to do that.

I know that there are a lot of diverse views and not always truths  
known about oral low dose interferon alpha.  When I've bought it  
locally, I get a vial which contains 3 million units per 0.5ml .  
This is mixed in with 1000 ml sterile saline solution, and yields 30  
units per ml.  . So at this point,  Island Pharmacy says not to  
refreeze it.

Just wondering if anyone has any other opinions or info on it?

Thanks!

Gloria
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Re: [Felvtalk] Thoughts Prayers Needed for Darcy

2009-05-29 Thread gary
Something is very wrong, need to get her to a vet ASAP.  If that vet says
there is nothing wrong, go immediately to another vet.  When I was working
with a shelter we had a couple of female cats nearly die because of a
mistake the vet made during surgery.  He was not willing to admit he had
screwed up the spays.

Gary

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jody Butler
Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 10:37 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Thoughts  Prayers Needed for Darcy

Our sweet baby, Darcy, ten months old and FeLV+ was neutered on Tuesday.  We
brought her home Wednesday and she seemed okay, considering she'd just had
surgery.
 
Yesterday she was in more pain, but we just figured the pain shot they'd
given that was supposed to be good for two days was wearing off.
 
Today is even worse.  I called the vet this AM.  She suggested giving a baby
aspirin, which I did before going to work.
 
Tonight, she barely lifts her head and is mewing so pitifully.  She ate some
earlier in the day but won't eat tonight.  I called the vet again, and she
had me give 1/8 of an antibiotic and we'll bring her in tomorrow morning
first thing.  We've had other FeLV kitties neutered with no troubles, but
I'm getting scared tonight.
 
I just needed to share this tonight.  Any encouraging words or suggestions
are greatly appreciated!
 
Jody ( Darcy)

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Re: [Felvtalk] interferon alpha

2009-05-22 Thread gary
I've heard it starts to get cloudy when it is going bad.  I'd bet it should
last 90 days.

Gary

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 2:44 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] interferon alpha

Notice that Island Pharmacy says the expiration is 90 days... hmmm.

Gloria






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Re: [Felvtalk] Fleas and Ticks

2009-04-28 Thread gary
Not sure if there is a generic, but you can get Drontal in the cat size pill
for $2.00 a pill at http://petsupplyexpress.com and that's as cheap as I
have seen anywhere.

Gary

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaryChristine
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 3:53 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fleas and Ticks

kelley, isn't there now a generic for drontal? (i THINK it's you who
mentioned it)

MC

On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 10:47 AM, POTT, BEVERLY p...@mailbox.sc.edu wrote:

 I, too, live in SC, and have found that Revolution works wonders on my
 cats for keeping things under control... Unfortunately it doesn't kill
 tapeworms, but it does kill roundworms and hookworms. I am lucky enough
 to have a vet that will sell me the Droncit without seeing the animals.

 Beverly



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Re: [Felvtalk] FRM VET ~ Inteferon source

2009-04-26 Thread gary
That will give you about 330,000 doses, more than anyone would use in a
lifetime.  This is assuming you have the space to freeze 3,300 small
containers before the final dilution. 8-)

Gary

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Laurieskatz
Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 9:55 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] FRM VET ~ Inteferon source

From a vet friend who has FeLV+ cats.

Laurie

 

From: jennifer 

Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 9:31 AM
To: Laurieskatz
Subject: Re: Inteferon source

 

Hey, it took me eight months to locate an inexpensive source after Roche
stopped making Roferon.  Compounding pharmacies want a fortune for it.  If
your vet has an account with Henry Schein, have him/her talk to the rep.
about giving a contact for a rep. who works on the human medical part of
Henry Schein.  You can get a TEN MILLION unit vial for about $140, as I
recall.  Sounds expensive, but once diluted, will give more doses than
you'll need for a single cat.

Jenni

 

 




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Re: [Felvtalk] Fleas and Ticks

2009-04-25 Thread gary
You can get Drontal from http://petsupplyexpress.com for $2.00 a pill (for
cats) and Frontline Plus 6 pack in the large doge size (one vial will do 8
cats) for $52.75 and their shipping is a flat $3.99.

Gary

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Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 8:24 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Fleas and Ticks

 
I have an outbreak of fleas on my eight felv+ cats brought home by my  two 
dogs who like to run away every chance they get. I need to worm all my  
kitties .Can someone recommend worm med's that I can buy without a
prescription. 
 I can't afford to take all of them to a vet at one time. I also have to 
buy flea  med's I'm thinking Frontline. I've never had much of a problem
with 
parasites  until this spring. Please help. 
 
 Sheila in SC




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Re: [Felvtalk] YIKES

2009-04-24 Thread gary
You could always formulate it yourself or get a vet tech to help you.  It is
a pain to do it, but one vial of full strength interferon will make more of
the stuff for cats than you could use in a lifetime.  Throw away the excess
or share with someone.  You have to freeze it after you cut it the first
time.

Gary  

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jane Lyons
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 7:33 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] YIKES

I have been following the horror story about the 21 horses in Florida  
who died mysteriously
before a polo match. It has been discovered that the cause of death  
was a 'supplement' given
mistakingly by FRANCKS COMPOUNDING LAB in Ocala Florida. Not only is  
this tragic for the
poor, innocent horses, we have been using Franck's for Interferon  
Alpha for MeMe.

I cannot imagine that Franck's will survive this error. I was told  
that they took over from
Island Pharmacy for compounding Interferon. Does anyone have another  
source? My vet
follows my leads on this and does not have a clue. I'd appreciate any  
information on this.
I buy it monthly and have just 10 days left in this vial.

Thanks
Jane

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Re: [Felvtalk] Immulin

2009-04-22 Thread gary
I believe you are talking about a product called LTCI that is made by a
company called Imulan their website is http://imulan.com  The product is not
related to IR.  Some people have had very good success with LTCI and some
have not.  I don't believe there is any information about its effectiveness
when used on asymptomatic cats and I would find it far too expensive to use
as a simple immune booster.  Assuming I had the money, I might give it a try
for a symptomatic cat where you can tell if there is an improvement.

Gary 

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kerry MacKenzie
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 3:48 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Immulin

Dear all,
Does anyone have any experience in treating FeLV kitts with Immulin?
My FelV foster's new forever mom just sent me the email extract below  
from her ex (who also adopts FeLV kitts). She is looking for any info  
on Immulin. I wonder if it's akin to Immuno Regulin, or even IR  
itself, re-packaged for cats (as opposed to dogs and horses)?
I wonder about this guy being taken for a ride---even  
unintentionally--by his vet, as it sounds pricy.
I've been trying to research on the web with no success.

I've also been unable to dig up any more info on Immuno Regulin other  
than what I already read several years ago--mainly 2 articles by vets  
supporting use of IR by Dr Mike Lies, and Dr Karen Thomas, respectively.

 Immulin - appears to be a scientific breakthrough that I am  
excited about.  Results have been incredible.  Its a boost to the  
immune system that in many cases has helped them to beat their  
diseases. The only issue is cost.  It is a very expensive and  
intensive program.  I am also uncertain about the stress of making  
him go to the vet so often and taking the shots themselves.  Doctor  
thinks pros outway cons by far, I am a little less convinced of that  
but still excited about the possibilities here.

Any info on Immulin, or  (more up to date) info on IR would be very  
welcome.  Incidentally, one Google result showed an email from a guy  
that said Dr Karen Thomas' experiences were available on Jim's  
website. He may mean this website -- James's -- but I've never seen  
anything from a Dr Karen Thomas here??

Hugs to all and good health wishes to all your kitts,
Kerry M.





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Re: [Felvtalk] Has anyone here used Vetricine for immune boosting

2009-04-14 Thread gary
But how much of a dose of interferon was in the 1 cc?  Usual oral dose for
cats is 30 IU a day.

Gary

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Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 3:41 PM
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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Has anyone here used Vetricine for immune boosting


 1 cc a day for 7 days and then off for 7 days.? he weighs 15.5 lbs.? After
about 3 days he'd get punky and just not feel well, stay in the bedroom and
not eat and/or throw up.


Just wondering - How much of a daily dose of interferon did you give him??
?

Gloria?

 


 



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Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon and Vetri-DMG - do these things help?

2009-04-08 Thread gary
I know there are some who say they have cats that were IFA positive and are
now negative, I would say it is a rare thing.

The FeLV vaccine has no effect on the ELISA or the IFA test.  It is the FIV
vaccine that will make a cat test positive for FIV.

Gary

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Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 4:28 PM
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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon and Vetri-DMG - do these things help?


Thank you for the info, MC! Onyx's IFA test came up positive - do you know
if cats who are positive on that test ever revert to negative? Also, some
vets say that vaccinated cats always show up positive on later tests
(because of the vax), but two of them said that vaccinated cats do not show
up positive on the IFA test unless they actually have the virus. Can anyone
clarify that for me?

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Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon and Vetri-DMG - do these things help?

2009-04-05 Thread gary
They might have, but Immunoregulin isn't very expensive.  The brief search I
did on Immonglobulins talked about it being made from 1000 different donors,
etc., very expensive.  It is a therapy use that has been tried on many
different things for humans and I guess some animals.

Gary

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane
Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 12:54 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon and Vetri-DMG - do these things help?

They may have meant immunoregulin...rather than immunoglobulins?

Gloria



On Apr 4, 2009, at 10:44 PM, gary wrote:

 The vet that said interferon might or might not help, is correct.  I
 seriously doubt that your vaccinated cats would inevitably become
 positive.  It is true that the vaccine is not 100% effective, but the
 vaccine combined with the natural immunity that many adult cats have  
 should
 keep them fairly safe.  There are, of course, no guarantees.

 I haven't used DMG, but have heard many others speak highly of it.   
 I am
 presently using Moducare.  I don't think any of us has any  
 scientific proof
 as to the efficacy of any of these, there just hasn't been enough  
 study, so
 we do what we feel will help.

 As for immunoglobulins, I don't think I have seen anyone mention  
 that here
 or on the other FeLV lists, unless, it was called something else.

 I don't think I would consider re-homing my negatives, you might be  
 waiting
 a long time for the positive to be gone, some here have very old  
 positives.

 Gary

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 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of James  
 Rauscher
 Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 7:28 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Interferon and Vetri-DMG - do these things help?


 One of the vets who saw my FeLV+ catOnyx said I could give her  
 interferon,
 that it may or may not help her, but certainly would not hurt her.  
 Two other
 vets told me there was nothing to do for her except to wait until  
 she gets
 sick then put her to sleep. One of them recommended re-homing my  
 negative
 cats until the positive one dies because they will inevitably become
 positive as well, even though they are vaccinated.

 Another owner of mixed positives and negatives is taking the same  
 route as
 me in not separating the positives and negatives (vaccinating the  
 negatives)
 but also gives her positive kitty something called Vetri-DMG which is
 supposedly produced by the body naturally and is an immune system  
 booster.

 Does anyone here have experience with these products? The vet who  
 told me to
 re-home my negatives said immunoglobulins are very expensive and  
 only help
 to keep a suffering cat alive. I am very confused - I get a different
 opinion from every vet I talk to!


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Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon and Vetri-DMG - do these things help?

2009-04-05 Thread gary
Not much of anything but while doing a little searching I found a couple of
interesting links.  All the research is pretty old (1980s) and I have heard
that once the vaccine was developed they stopped doing other research.

http://www.felineleukemia.info/staphproteinacowan1.htm

and

http://books.google.com/books?id=GVtdtOsIsAUCpg=PA362lpg=PA362dq=immunogl
obulins+for+FeLV+treatmentsource=blots=7Xp6iTaKOcsig=XkTBY31e2zYN3r2Jnmrq
MMOBwRA#PPA367,M1

The one above has some interesting reading on pages 360 to 363.

Gary

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane
Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 12:51 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon and Vetri-DMG - do these things help?

What do you know about it in relation to FELV?

Gloria



On Apr 5, 2009, at 10:51 AM, gary wrote:

 They might have, but Immunoregulin isn't very expensive.  The brief  
 search I
 did on Immonglobulins talked about it being made from 1000 different  
 donors,
 etc., very expensive.  It is a therapy use that has been tried on many
 different things for humans and I guess some animals.

 Gary




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Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon and Vetri-DMG - do these things help?

2009-04-04 Thread gary
The vet that said interferon might or might not help, is correct.  I
seriously doubt that your vaccinated cats would inevitably become
positive.  It is true that the vaccine is not 100% effective, but the
vaccine combined with the natural immunity that many adult cats have should
keep them fairly safe.  There are, of course, no guarantees.

I haven't used DMG, but have heard many others speak highly of it.  I am
presently using Moducare.  I don't think any of us has any scientific proof
as to the efficacy of any of these, there just hasn't been enough study, so
we do what we feel will help.

As for immunoglobulins, I don't think I have seen anyone mention that here
or on the other FeLV lists, unless, it was called something else.

I don't think I would consider re-homing my negatives, you might be waiting
a long time for the positive to be gone, some here have very old positives.

Gary

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of James Rauscher
Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 7:28 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Interferon and Vetri-DMG - do these things help?


One of the vets who saw my FeLV+ catOnyx said I could give her interferon,
that it may or may not help her, but certainly would not hurt her. Two other
vets told me there was nothing to do for her except to wait until she gets
sick then put her to sleep. One of them recommended re-homing my negative
cats until the positive one dies because they will inevitably become
positive as well, even though they are vaccinated.

Another owner of mixed positives and negatives is taking the same route as
me in not separating the positives and negatives (vaccinating the negatives)
but also gives her positive kitty something called Vetri-DMG which is
supposedly produced by the body naturally and is an immune system booster.

Does anyone here have experience with these products? The vet who told me to
re-home my negatives said immunoglobulins are very expensive and only help
to keep a suffering cat alive. I am very confused - I get a different
opinion from every vet I talk to!


Avia


  


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