Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-02-07 Thread Byung-Hee HWANG
Nuno Miguel dos Santos Baeta writes: > [...] > As for my choice, I am using GIMP! > [...] Wow, that's really best Portugal!!! Sincerely, -- "They have made fools of us. For justice we must go on our knees to Don Corleone." -- Amerigo Bonasera, "Chapter 1", page 11

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-02-06 Thread Nuno Miguel dos Santos Baeta
Hello! Sorry for taking so long to thank your replies, but I had to solve an urgent and unpleasant problem :-| As for my choice, I am using GIMP! Several arguments in favor of GIMP were/are compelling. One final observation. I'm not a professional photographer. I'm an amateur photographer and

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-01-21 Thread Martin Nordholts
doug wrote: >> "Most people thinks having two different menubars in one application is >> insane. The small amount of people that thinks it is a good idea will >> have to maintain code for that themselves, sorry." >> > In a few months' time anybody wanting to look up XXX or YYY in the > archives i

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-01-21 Thread doug
On 20/01/10 23:39, Cédric Gémy wrote: > I don't remember how this discussion has turned to a GUI discussion just > as if the hugest difference wetween the two was this point. > Anyway, Gimp is great, and photoshop has many default too. It also tries > to implement new GUI possibilities, but they so

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-01-20 Thread Cédric Gémy
I don't remember how this discussion has turned to a GUI discussion just as if the hugest difference wetween the two was this point. Anyway, Gimp is great, and photoshop has many default too. It also tries to implement new GUI possibilities, but they sometimes shouldn't, i guess :) "Most people th

[Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-01-18 Thread jolie
> >> > There are a few things that GIMP needs to be competitive with PS. >> >> Just a few? :) > >Why is it necessary for GIMP to be competitive with PS? GIMP is an >alternative to PS developed for free use by anyone who wishes to use it. >As I understand it, it isn't users that GIMP wants, it is d

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-01-17 Thread Dotan Cohen
> I'm sure many professional photographers swear by these.  Its up to you > to decide if the quality of the results warrant the price.  The only way > to know - for you - is to compare both the commercial apps and the open > source alternatives for what you're trying to accomplish. I would like to

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-01-17 Thread Ken Warner
Hey people, I didn't start this thread. Don't grind my ass... All I did was mention the obvious features that GIMP doesn't have compared to PS. And I meant competitive *WITH* not *AGAINST* PS. It doesn't have to replace PS -- if GIMP is to eventually have the same utility of PS then it needs th

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-01-17 Thread ajtiM
On Sunday 17 January 2010 09:03:32 Norman Silverstone wrote: > > > There are a few things that GIMP needs to be competitive with PS. > > > > Just a few? :) > > Why is it necessary for GIMP to be competitive with PS? I agree with the above 100%. Why? I like GIMP, for me is useful and I support o

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-01-17 Thread Patrick Shanahan
* Alexandre Prokoudine [01-17-10 11:20]: > On 1/17/10, Norman Silverstone wrote: > > > As I understand it, it isn't users that GIMP wants, it is developers > > prepared to give freely of their time and expertise. If you need the > > advantages that PS has over GIMP then, by all means, buy and use

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-01-17 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On 1/17/10, Norman Silverstone wrote: >> > There are a few things that GIMP needs to be competitive with PS. >> >> Just a few? :) > > Why is it necessary for GIMP to be competitive with PS? You probably meant to say "competitive against PS", didn't you? :) There is no reason why developers of fre

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-01-17 Thread Norman Silverstone
> > There are a few things that GIMP needs to be competitive with PS. > > Just a few? :) Why is it necessary for GIMP to be competitive with PS? GIMP is an alternative to PS developed for free use by anyone who wishes to use it. As I understand it, it isn't users that GIMP wants, it is developer

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-01-17 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On 1/17/10, Ken Warner wrote: > There are a few things that GIMP needs to be competitive with PS. Just a few? :) Alexandre ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-01-17 Thread Ken Warner
There are a few things that GIMP needs to be competitive with PS. 1) A decent batch processor and I'm not talking about learning a whole programming language to do so. 2) 16 bit color. 3) Better zonal control so one can adjust light and dark areas of a digital photo more easily so as to enhance sh

[Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-01-17 Thread Carusoswi
>On 1/13/10, Programmer In Training wrote: > >>> On 1/12/10, Norman Silverstone wrote: The great thing about GIMP is that it is free so you can try it, at no cost to yourself, and see if it will do what you want it to do. >>> >>> But so is Photoshop. 30 days trial :) >>> >> Photoshop is f

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-01-14 Thread Milan Knížek
Norman Silverstone píše v Út 12. 01. 2010 v 20:50 +: > > > The great thing about GIMP is that it is free so you can try it, at no > > > cost to yourself, and see if it will do what you want it to do. > > > > But so is Photoshop. 30 days trial :) > > The difficulty is that whilst GIMP will run

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-01-13 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On 1/14/10, Marco Ciampa wrote: >> ** Just 8 bit/channel; > yes, just like photoshop some years ago...wait a moment...this means that > serious photo work started just some 5-10 years ago > > PS: jpeg photos are 8 bit only This is totally unrelated. Open (almost) any photo in GIMP, edit it

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-01-13 Thread Marco Ciampa
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 04:51:02PM +, Nuno Miguel dos Santos Baeta wrote: > Hello! [...] > * Photoshop: Must be used for 'serious' work. Yeah...it's just like to say that you have to use Windows for serious work... ;-) > * GIMP: May be used for 'serious' work if that means showing a photo >

[Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-01-13 Thread photocomix
About the 8 , 16 bit issue maybe all what you need may be just first correct your image with something as RawTherapee (now Gpl ),and in case of need of further editing , send the result to gimp (You may set in Rawtherapee Gimp as "associate image editor) Let say that if you need to works with lay

[Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-01-13 Thread photocomix
About the 8 , 16 bit issue maybe all what you need may be just first correct your image with RawTherapee (now Gpl ),and in case of need of further editing , send the result to gimp (You may set in rawtherapee Gimp as "associate image editor) Let say that if you need to works with layers, layermask

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-01-12 Thread Michael F Uschold
Torsten says: Also, no serious photographer will just abandon analog photography and go totally digital. Any fine grained film will yield much better resolutions than what the most expensive digital cameras are capable of. This is simply not true. I am a serious non-professional photographer who

[Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-01-12 Thread jolie
>On 1/13/10, Programmer In Training wrote: > >>> On 1/12/10, Norman Silverstone wrote: The great thing about GIMP is that it is free so you can try it, at no cost to yourself, and see if it will do what you want it to do. >>> >>> But so is Photoshop. 30 days trial :) >>> >> Photoshop is f

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-01-12 Thread JPL
Nuno Miguel dos Santos Baeta a écrit : > Hello! > > I don't understand anything about digital image manipulation but I've > got to learn as, last year, I finally bought a digital camera, after > making photos with film for many years, mainly B&W which I developed > and printed myself. To learn di

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-01-12 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On 1/13/10, Programmer In Training wrote: >> On 1/12/10, Norman Silverstone wrote: >>> The great thing about GIMP is that it is free so you can try it, at no >>> cost to yourself, and see if it will do what you want it to do. >> >> But so is Photoshop. 30 days trial :) >> > Photoshop is free to tr

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-01-12 Thread Programmer In Training
On 1/12/2010 2:38 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: > On 1/12/10, Norman Silverstone wrote: >> The great thing about GIMP is that it is free so you can try it, at no >> cost to yourself, and see if it will do what you want it to do. > > But so is Photoshop. 30 days trial :) > > Alexandre Photoshop

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-01-12 Thread Norman Silverstone
> > The great thing about GIMP is that it is free so you can try it, at no > > cost to yourself, and see if it will do what you want it to do. > > But so is Photoshop. 30 days trial :) The difficulty is that whilst GIMP will run on virtually any operating system Photoshop will not. Norman _

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-01-12 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On 1/12/10, Norman Silverstone wrote: > The great thing about GIMP is that it is free so you can try it, at no > cost to yourself, and see if it will do what you want it to do. But so is Photoshop. 30 days trial :) Alexandre ___ Gimp-user mailing list G

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-01-12 Thread Norman Silverstone
The great thing about GIMP is that it is free so you can try it, at no cost to yourself, and see if it will do what you want it to do. Never mind what others will tell you about whether it should be 16 bit or 8 bit and is colour management essential or not. I suggest the thing to do is that you dec

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-01-12 Thread Michael J. Hammel
On Tue, 2010-01-12 at 16:51 +, Nuno Miguel dos Santos Baeta wrote: > * Photoshop: Must be used for 'serious' work. Depends on who's being serious. Truth is, it depends on the type of work and one man's "serious" is another man's "who cares". Note that I've done covers for magazines with GI

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-01-12 Thread Torsten Neuer
Am Dienstag, 12. Januar 2010 17:51:02 schrieb Nuno Miguel dos Santos Baeta: > ** Is has no color management (I don't know what this is); Unless you use a very outdated version of Gimp, this is not true. > ** Just 8 bit/channel; > ** No CMYK. This is still true, but should be fixed within t

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-01-12 Thread Jaime Seuma
IMHO, and to cut the long story short: - use the GIMP - learn how to use it by means of the help included, the many excellent tutorials existing, Akkana Peck's book and MeetTheGimp.org video-shows. There are still other resources available. - CMYK: you won't be needing that any time soon, and some

[Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-01-12 Thread Nuno Miguel dos Santos Baeta
Hello! I don't understand anything about digital image manipulation but I've got to learn as, last year, I finally bought a digital camera, after making photos with film for many years, mainly B&W which I developed and printed myself. To learn digital image manipulation I need a program such as G

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop UI

2007-09-30 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, On Sun, 2007-09-30 at 18:48 -0400, carol irvin wrote: > I have one technical question about this list. Do I also need to send > this reply to the list or does replying to anyone send it > automatically to the list? There's no magic going on. Your answer goes to the recipients that your mail

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop UI

2007-09-30 Thread carol irvin
Sven, I have an idea for something which might be fun to do as a group and educational as well. Each person (who wanted to participate) would take an art step phase further using GIMP until we had a completed art work. For example, let's say you'd start it using a brush. Then maybe I'd go into

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop UI

2007-09-30 Thread Leon Brooks GIMP
On Sunday 30 September 2007 20:06:09 Sven Neumann wrote: > We are listening to our users. That's why we have this mailing- > list and actually read about the problems and needs of our > users. Round of applause, that sentiment. (-: Now I need to organise my own life better so I can make space to

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop UI

2007-09-30 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, On Fri, 2007-09-28 at 14:12 -0700, David Southwell wrote: > Wether or no GIMP is planning to develop in ways that will provide > non-destructive editing and full support for raw and 16+ bit is something > that is really relevant and the views of users need to be sought. Yes, GEGL will bri

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop UI

2007-09-29 Thread gimp_user
On Saturday 29 September 2007 07:46:37 Patrick Shanahan wrote: > * gimp_user <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [09-29-07 02:00]: > > On Friday 28 September 2007 14:12:30 David Southwell wrote: > > > On Friday 28 September 2007 10:45:14 Sven Neumann wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > On Fri, 2007-09-28 at 04:04 -

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop UI

2007-09-29 Thread gimp_user
On Saturday 29 September 2007 07:46:37 Patrick Shanahan wrote: > * gimp_user <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [09-29-07 02:00]: > > On Friday 28 September 2007 14:12:30 David Southwell wrote: > > > On Friday 28 September 2007 10:45:14 Sven Neumann wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > On Fri, 2007-09-28 at 04:04 -

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop UI

2007-09-29 Thread Patrick Shanahan
* gimp_user <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [09-29-07 02:00]: > On Friday 28 September 2007 14:12:30 David Southwell wrote: > > On Friday 28 September 2007 10:45:14 Sven Neumann wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > On Fri, 2007-09-28 at 04:04 -0700, gimp_user wrote: > > > > While the absence of a recognised skill tran

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop UI

2007-09-28 Thread gimp_user
On Friday 28 September 2007 14:12:30 David Southwell wrote: > On Friday 28 September 2007 10:45:14 Sven Neumann wrote: > > Hi, > > > > On Fri, 2007-09-28 at 04:04 -0700, gimp_user wrote: > > > While the absence of a recognised skill transition route (i.e. no skin > > > similar to PS) is a serious o

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop UI

2007-09-28 Thread Leon Brooks GIMP
On Saturday 29 September 2007 01:51:59 carol irvin wrote: >  I am switching myself to open source programs whenever I > can to save money.  It is no more complex than that. Hi Carol! Um, I convert people to OpenOffice who basically don't give a hoot about the $$$. They adopt it because: * They

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop UI

2007-09-28 Thread David Herman
On Friday 28 September 2007, Sven Neumann wrote: > Hi, > > On Fri, 2007-09-28 at 04:04 -0700, gimp_user wrote: > > While the absence of a recognised skill transition route (i.e. > > no skin similar to PS) is a serious obstacle affecting the > > ability of multiple individuals to collaborate in a s

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop UI

2007-09-28 Thread David Southwell
On Friday 28 September 2007 10:45:14 Sven Neumann wrote: > Hi, > > On Fri, 2007-09-28 at 04:04 -0700, gimp_user wrote: > > While the absence of a recognised skill transition route (i.e. no skin > > similar to PS) is a serious obstacle affecting the ability of multiple > > individuals to collaborat

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop UI

2007-09-28 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, On Fri, 2007-09-28 at 04:04 -0700, gimp_user wrote: > While the absence of a recognised skill transition route (i.e. no skin > similar > to PS) is a serious obstacle affecting the ability of multiple individuals > to collaborate in a supply chain comprising multiple organisations it is fa

[Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop UI

2007-09-28 Thread carol irvin
-- Forwarded message -- From: carol irvin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sep 28, 2007 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop UI To: gimp_user <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> This makes total sense to me. If you work for ad agencies, for example, everyone will want to

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop UI

2007-09-28 Thread gimp_user
On Friday 28 September 2007 06:20:05 gimp_user wrote: > On Friday 28 September 2007 04:04:03 gimp_user wrote: > > On Thursday 27 September 2007 08:00:45 George Farris wrote: > > > --- gimp_user <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > ...[GIMP] does not have an interface that makes for an easy user > > >

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop UI

2007-09-28 Thread gimp_user
On Friday 28 September 2007 04:04:03 gimp_user wrote: > On Thursday 27 September 2007 08:00:45 George Farris wrote: > > --- gimp_user <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > ...[GIMP] does not have an interface that makes for an easy user > > > transition from the industry PS standard it is not a tool tha

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop UI

2007-09-28 Thread Patrick Shanahan
* gimp_user <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [09-28-07 07:20]: [...] > It means providing tools for non-destructive editing to enable more > than one individual and organisation to contribute to the creation, > manipulation, selection, cataloguing, distribution and promotion of > images. Though you object

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop UI

2007-09-28 Thread gimp_user
On Thursday 27 September 2007 08:00:45 George Farris wrote: > --- gimp_user <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ...[GIMP] does not have an interface that makes for an easy user > > transition from the industry PS standard it is not a tool that is > > ready for adoption by high quality image makers. > >

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop UI

2007-09-27 Thread Leon Brooks GIMP
On Friday 28 September 2007 01:00:45 George Farris wrote: > If you can provide hard data that backs this up with numbers Unfortunately, this is the Real World(tm), & rejection can be as simple as "it looks too different." However, I would be interested in hard numbers too. Cheers; Leon _

[Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop UI

2007-09-27 Thread George Farris
--- gimp_user <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ...[GIMP] does not have an interface that makes for an easy user > transition from the industry PS standard it is not a tool that is > ready for adoption by high quality image makers. FUD your conclusion is only valid for yourself and not others so your

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop UI

2007-09-26 Thread David Gowers
On 9/27/07, Greg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- gimp_user <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ...[GIMP] does not have an interface that makes for an easy user > > transition from the industry PS standard it is not a tool that is > > ready for adoption by high quality image makers. > > I would disagree

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop UI

2007-09-26 Thread jim feldman
Greg wrote: > --- gimp_user <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> ...[GIMP] does not have an interface that makes for an easy user >> transition from the industry PS standard it is not a tool that is >> ready for adoption by high quality image makers. >> > > I would disagree with this. I use bot

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop UI

2007-09-26 Thread Brendan
On Wednesday 26 September 2007, Greg wrote: > --- gimp_user <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ...[GIMP] does not have an interface that makes for an easy user > > transition from the industry PS standard it is not a tool that is > > ready for adoption by high quality image makers. > > I would disagree

[Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop UI

2007-09-26 Thread Greg
--- gimp_user <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ...[GIMP] does not have an interface that makes for an easy user > transition from the industry PS standard it is not a tool that is > ready for adoption by high quality image makers. I would disagree with this. I use both PS and GIMP and thanks to PH I

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop

2006-12-23 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
dont worry. be happy. just press the delete button. Robert Smits wrote: > On Thursday 21 December 2006 17:39, lists wrote: >> Brendan wrote: >>> On Monday 18 December 2006 19:52, lists wrote: Carter castor wrote: > This goes right to the heart of my biggest complaint about GIMP > t

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop

2006-12-23 Thread Matthew Ridge
On 12/22/06, Doug <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: As earlier threads have already pointed out, most non-American English speakers don't know this use of the word; and in a comprehensive dictionary like the Oxford English dictionary, it's noted as a specifically North American usage. FWIW most speaker

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop (Zombie Thread)

2006-12-22 Thread jim
I should also mention that this sort of thing comes up on the freebsd lists periodically. "If you'd only change the mascot and drop the whole daemon thing, my church/tiny business would decide to use your operating system. Maybe something cute like a penguin or a kitty waving it's paw?" (the l

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop (Zombie Thread)

2006-12-22 Thread jim
Brendan wrote: > On Friday 22 December 2006 02:44, jim wrote: >> Eric P wrote: >>> I'm lazy, and I don't feel like reading this entire thread (it seems to >>> show up on a regular basis on the list). >>> >>> Were any new, constructive insights brought up? Anyone care to summarize >>> this thread o

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop

2006-12-22 Thread Manish Singh
On Fri, Dec 22, 2006 at 12:25:35AM -0600, Eric P wrote: > I'm lazy, and I don't feel like reading this entire thread (it seems to show > up on a regular basis on the list). > > Were any new, constructive insights brought up? Anyone care to summarize > this thread on this exhausting topic? Othe

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop

2006-12-22 Thread operator
/rotflmao :-) lol/ Brendan wrote: >On Thursday 21 December 2006 21:06, Tom Williams wrote: > > >>Brendan wrote: >> >> >>>On Monday 18 December 2006 19:52, lists wrote: >>> >>> Carter castor wrote: >This goes right to the heart of my biggest complaint about GI

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop

2006-12-22 Thread Brendan
On Thursday 21 December 2006 21:06, Tom Williams wrote: > Brendan wrote: > > On Monday 18 December 2006 19:52, lists wrote: > >> Carter castor wrote: > >>> This goes right to the heart of my biggest complaint about GIMP > >>> though: its name. I don't understand why the developers would put so > >

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop (Zombie Thread)

2006-12-22 Thread Brendan
On Friday 22 December 2006 02:44, jim wrote: > Eric P wrote: > > I'm lazy, and I don't feel like reading this entire thread (it seems to > > show up on a regular basis on the list). > > > > Were any new, constructive insights brought up? Anyone care to summarize > > this thread on this exhausting

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop

2006-12-22 Thread Brendan
On Thursday 21 December 2006 23:51, Robert Smits wrote: > > > Oh wait, Geoffrey says "Get over it". Everybody with an opinion or > > > actual relevent facts, forget it. Geoffrey said so. > > > > If you'll check the bloody archives, you'll see this same subject has > > been discussed ad nauseam more

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop (Zombie Thread)

2006-12-22 Thread Doug
jim wrote: >Eric P wrote: > > >>I'm lazy, and I don't feel like reading this entire thread (it seems to show >>up on a regular basis on the list). >> >>Were any new, constructive insights brought up? Anyone care to summarize >>this thread on this exhausting topic? >> >> >> > >Summary to d

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop

2006-12-22 Thread Doug
Trapper wrote: > > >1. Gimp means "to walk with a limp" in English and is slang. ... Most >English speakers >generally relate gimp to the slang variant, most of us are familiar with >it and most of us consider it to be something negative. > > It would be very nice if people looked

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop

2006-12-22 Thread David Marrs
Trapper wrote: > Most English speakers > generally relate gimp to the slang variant, most of us are familiar with > it and most of us consider it to be something negative. > Can I just change that to "most American English speakers?" I learnt the meaning of the slang word "gimp" while reading

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop

2006-12-22 Thread norman
> > Speaking about Gimpression, it could be taken as a copy of the MS > > Expression at the time being. I think it is a great name, but people > > tend to exaggerate when it comes to "stealing". > > What? No. Gimpression would NOT be confused with that. I think it's a great > name. I note that,

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop (Zombie Thread)

2006-12-21 Thread jim
Eric P wrote: > I'm lazy, and I don't feel like reading this entire thread (it seems to show > up on a regular basis on the list). > > Were any new, constructive insights brought up? Anyone care to summarize > this thread on this exhausting topic? > Summary to date: Noobs keep joining the lis

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop

2006-12-21 Thread Eric P
I'm lazy, and I don't feel like reading this entire thread (it seems to show up on a regular basis on the list). Were any new, constructive insights brought up? Anyone care to summarize this thread on this exhausting topic? EP ___ Gimp-user mailing l

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop

2006-12-21 Thread Robert Smits
On Thursday 21 December 2006 17:39, lists wrote: > Brendan wrote: > > On Monday 18 December 2006 19:52, lists wrote: > >> Carter castor wrote: > >>> This goes right to the heart of my biggest complaint about GIMP > >>> though: its name. I don't understand why the developers would put so > >>> much

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop

2006-12-21 Thread Patrick Shanahan
* Tom Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [12-21-06 21:10]: > For example, "Sarasota County Area Transit" is a name of a transit > agency and its acronym is rather interesting. :) Ella would agree, rest her sole. -- Patrick ShanahanRegistered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop

2006-12-21 Thread Tom Williams
Brendan wrote: > On Monday 18 December 2006 19:52, lists wrote: > >> Carter castor wrote: >> >>> This goes right to the heart of my biggest complaint about GIMP >>> though: its name. I don't understand why the developers would put so >>> much time and hard work into creating a program as p

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop

2006-12-21 Thread lists
Brendan wrote: > On Monday 18 December 2006 19:52, lists wrote: >> Carter castor wrote: >>> This goes right to the heart of my biggest complaint about GIMP >>> though: its name. I don't understand why the developers would put so >>> much time and hard work into creating a program as professional a

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop

2006-12-21 Thread Brendan
> Speaking about Gimpression, it could be taken as a copy of the MS > Expression at the time being. I think it is a great name, but people > tend to exaggerate when it comes to "stealing". What? No. Gimpression would NOT be confused with that. I think it's a great name. __

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop

2006-12-21 Thread Brendan
On Monday 18 December 2006 19:52, lists wrote: > Carter castor wrote: > > This goes right to the heart of my biggest complaint about GIMP > > though: its name. I don't understand why the developers would put so > > much time and hard work into creating a program as professional as > > GIMP and the

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop

2006-12-21 Thread Bob Ewart
Luca de Alfaro wrote: > Correct. However, there is no reason why these .icc profiles should > go in photoshop rather than in the printer driver. Especially as I > have anyway to tell my printer driver (I am not sure why) which kind > of paper I am using. > Luca > > On 12/21/06, Bob Ewart <[EMAI

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop

2006-12-21 Thread norman
< big snip > > 4. An application should always be named with the target audience being > considered if you're looking for product exposure. In the case of The > Gimp, the target audience is not programmers and software developers. > When the intended audience sees the name they need it to relat

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop

2006-12-21 Thread Luca de Alfaro
Correct. However, there is no reason why these .icc profiles should go in photoshop rather than in the printer driver. Especially as I have anyway to tell my printer driver (I am not sure why) which kind of paper I am using. Luca On 12/21/06, Bob Ewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It should be

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop

2006-12-21 Thread Luca de Alfaro
Trapper wrote: > 5. The Gimp's GUI, unfortunately, is in direct opposition to human logic > and our normal thought patterns. I have no other way to describe it. I > know of no one under any OS that emulates The Gimp's GUI strategy. > There's probably good reason for that. I don't find Gimp to be

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop

2006-12-21 Thread Bob Ewart
Luca de Alfaro wrote: > I wholeheartedly agree. > It is an absurdity that some print drivers ship with separate .icc profiles. > > I am not quite sure why the situation evolved, but I suspect that > professional users started to wish to have a way to calibrate their > output for their specific pri

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop

2006-12-21 Thread Trapper
> Luca de Alfaro wrote: >> I, for one, don't believe that open source projects should necessarily >> avoid slang words. "Gimp" is a relatively obscure slang word. Let me >> define this: most English speakers speak English as a second language, >> and i bet 99% of them are not familiar with the un

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop

2006-12-21 Thread Luca de Alfaro
I wholeheartedly agree. It is an absurdity that some print drivers ship with separate .icc profiles. I am not quite sure why the situation evolved, but I suspect that professional users started to wish to have a way to calibrate their output for their specific printer (even now, people who care ab

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop

2006-12-21 Thread Chris Mohler
> I suspect Chris' reply was meant to go to the list. So I reply here. Whoops - thanks. > Monitor calibration should be done in the video driver. Or in the > monitor. You're probably right. Chris ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkel

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop

2006-12-21 Thread Matthias Julius
"Chris Mohler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> One thing I never understood is: >> >> Why do applications have to deal with color profiles? >> >> Color profiles are hardware device specific and at least in the case >> of printers they are specific to the combination of printer and >> driver (and pa

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop

2006-12-21 Thread Matthias Julius
"Luca de Alfaro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > - support for color profiles (.icc profiles - how are you going to > profile a printer otherwise?) One thing I never understood is: Why do applications have to deal with color profiles? Color profiles are hardware device specific and at least in t

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop

2006-12-21 Thread Alexander Rabtchevich
Looking into different English-Russian dictionaries (the most comprehensive ones) I can see the meaning of the word gimp, being discussed here, as the 3-rd or 6-th in the order of usage frequency. Others are (synonyms) 1. galloon, braid 2. spirit, vim 3. may be limp, may be neckerchief 4. Scott

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop

2006-12-20 Thread Luca de Alfaro
I, for one, don't believe that open source projects should necessarily avoid slang words. "Gimp" is a relatively obscure slang word. Let me define this: most English speakers speak English as a second language, and i bet 99% of them are not familiar with the unofficial uses of the word "Gimp". F

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop

2006-12-20 Thread Luca de Alfaro
For a class, I don't know, but for serious photo work, Photoshop is incredibly more advanced. Some exampes: Color: - support for more than 8 bits/color/pixel (my scanners have 16) - support for color profiles (.icc profiles - how are you going to profile a printer otherwise?) - support for color s

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop

2006-12-19 Thread Anthony Ettinger
> I tried both, but since I'm using GIMP all the time i foundthe > photoshop interface mostly chaotic. But I'm sure it must be the same > for people who pass from PS to GIMP. Most people are complaining about > the amount of windows the GIMP opens, but then virtual desktops handle > this problem wi

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop

2006-12-19 Thread Jozef Legeny
On 12/19/06, Toby Haynes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Anthony Ettinger wrote: > > Anyway, instead of flaming, how about some suggestions: > > > > Gimpressive > > Gimpression > > > Out of all the many suggested (re)names, these two are the only two I've > ever seen and liked. Maybe because many GNU

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop

2006-12-18 Thread Sven Neumann
Ok, that was too much. I wanted to send you a mail last time already, but I assumed that you did this accidentally. Obviously you didn't. So please, when posting to this list, try not to use HTML mail. And if you absolutely can't turn HTML mail off in your mail client, then at least don't fiddle wi

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop

2006-12-18 Thread Chris Mohler
FWIW, I'm truly sorry for posting *anything* related to this thread, and especially for the nasty tone. I should know better. Chris ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop

2006-12-18 Thread Patrick Shanahan
* Frank McCormick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [12-18-06 21:22]: > drives me crazy. well, you said he used windoz! -- Patrick ShanahanRegistered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org@ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wah

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop

2006-12-18 Thread Anthony Ettinger
On 12/18/06, Frank McCormick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 17:01:59 -0800 > Anthony Ettinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > How do you sell that to a corporation? How do you market that? The > > > > people in business su

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop

2006-12-18 Thread Frank McCormick
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 17:01:59 -0800 Anthony Ettinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > How do you sell that to a corporation? How do you market that? The > > > people in business suits are going to chose a program named Photoshop > > > over Gimp 11 ti

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop

2006-12-18 Thread Anthony Ettinger
On 12/18/06, John Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Not to flame here or anything, but has anybody done an actual study as > to if IT managers are overlooking GIMP because of the name, and I'm not > talking anecdotes. I'm talking about a systematic survey. > I don't deny that some people MAY have

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop

2006-12-18 Thread Anthony Ettinger
> > How do you sell that to a corporation? How do you market that? The > > people in business suits are going to chose a program named Photoshop > > over Gimp 11 times out of 10. ...and MS makes a good browser. -- Anthony Ettinger phone: 408-656-2473 resume: http://chovy.dyndns.org/resume.htm

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop

2006-12-18 Thread John Meyer
Not to flame here or anything, but has anybody done an actual study as to if IT managers are overlooking GIMP because of the name, and I'm not talking anecdotes. I'm talking about a systematic survey. I don't deny that some people MAY have a bias against GIMP, but you need to look at the other sid

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop

2006-12-18 Thread lists
Carter castor wrote: > This goes right to the heart of my biggest complaint about GIMP > though: its name. I don't understand why the developers would put so > much time and hard work into creating a program as professional as > GIMP and then name it after a slang word for a disabled person. How

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