At 09:54 AM 9/16/2002 -0400, Darryl Newberry wrote:
>(Of course, cynics will note that this could indicate deep financial trouble
>and desire to limit the damage!)
No, a real cynic would suspect that Altium planned to do this all along :-)
Note that the announcement itself indicates that use
On Thu, 11 Jul 2002 11:18:04 +1000 (EST), DUTTON Phil wrote:
>I have used Protel to produce schematics and design boards for
many years
>and find it an excellent and fair priced tool for the intended
job.
You really consider $8000US a "fair priced tool" for a package
where schematic capture and P
On 05:32 PM 10/07/2002 -0700, Dennis Saputelli said:
>do you know for a fact that the basics have all changed as you say here?
>
>do you have DXP?
>
>Dennis Saputelli
There is a beta program underway as we all know. There is an NDA
(Non-disclosure agreement) covering the beta testers.
Ian Wils
m
somewhat cautious about jumping into the next version, especially if any of
the changes that you are suggesting come to fruition.
regards,
Phil.
-Original Message-
From: Daniel Webster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, 11 July 2002 09:29
To: 'Protel EDA Forum'
Sub
If he did, he isn't supposed to admit it on this list.
> -Original Message-
> From: Dennis Saputelli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 5:32 PM
> To: Protel EDA Forum
> Subject: Re: [PEDA] ATS - don't do it! (was restore defaults...
Dennis: yes I have DXP and have tested it's various functions. Not all
basics have changed, but several well established ways of operating the
software have been changed, and it appears that these have not added
functionality, just made it harder to re-learn the functions of the
software, to accom
do you know for a fact that the basics have all changed as you say here?
do you have DXP?
Dennis Saputelli
Daniel Webster wrote:
>
> Regarding this discussion, I too will add my voice to those who feel
> upgrading to DXP and ATS is not a worthy investment at this point. I would
> have been muc
Regarding this discussion, I too will add my voice to those who feel
upgrading to DXP and ATS is not a worthy investment at this point. I would
have been much happier if the software had remained much the same as 99SE,
but with greater functionality. Instead of building a whole new interface,
it w
02 12:46 PM
> To: Protel EDA Forum
> Subject: Re: [PEDA] ATS - don't do it! (was restore defaults...)
>
> Igor Gmitrovic wrote:
>
> > Tom,
> >
> > many of them will join us, they just keep it quiet. It would be probably
> better from our users' point
Tony Karavidas wrote:
> I think you're in the minority on P98. I remember really enjoying the update
> from prior versions.
>
> What didn't you like about P98?
Well, I was running it on Windows 95, which wasn't recommended. But, that's
what I had. The major problem was with the autorouter, and
rom: Cam Andruik [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 1:27 PM
> To: 'Protel EDA Forum'
> Subject: Re: [PEDA] ATS - don't do it! (was restore defaults...)
>
>
> I have to agree that Protel99SE does what I need it to do. And I
> have used
>
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: July 10, 2002 12:46 PM
To: Protel EDA Forum
Subject: Re: [PEDA] ATS - don't do it! (was restore defaults...)
Igor Gmitrovic wrote:
> Tom,
>
> many of them will join us, they just keep it quiet. It would be probably
better from our users' point of
NOT being there, 'cause they say
it's going away in DXP.
Tony
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
> Behalf Of Jon Elson
> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 11:46 AM
> To: Protel EDA Forum
> Subject: Re: [PEDA] ATS - don&#x
Igor Gmitrovic wrote:
> Tom,
>
> many of them will join us, they just keep it quiet. It would be probably better from
>our users' point of view if more people voiced their opinion. That would hopefully
>let them understand we are serious when we say 'We are not buying this anymore'.
We made th
On Wed, 10 Jul 2002 23:51, you wrote:
> So you've dropped a pro package for a hobby package? Maybe it could be
> better, given enough time, but most of the people on this list aren't
> hobbyist, then make a living (in part) by doing SCH capture and PCB layout.
> Like I said before, what's your tim
t; From: Katinka Mills [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 4:09 AM
> To: Protel EDA Forum
> Subject: Re: [PEDA] ATS - don't do it! (was restore defaults...)
>
>
> On Wed, 10 Jul 2002 09:28, you wrote:
> > > I've been told by my boss that fo
ailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 4:09 AM
> To: Protel EDA Forum
> Subject: Re: [PEDA] ATS - don't do it! (was restore defaults...)
>
>
> On Wed, 10 Jul 2002 09:28, you wrote:
> > > I've been told by my boss that for what Altium are offering
&g
At 10:29 10.07.02 +1000, you wrote:
>Tom,
>
>many of them will join us, they just keep it quiet. It would be probably
>better from our users' point of view if more people voiced their opinion.
>That would hopefully let them understand we are serious when we say 'We
>are not buying this anymore'
> On Wed, 10 Jul 2002 09:28, you wrote:
> > > I've been told by my boss that for what Altium are offering with ATS
it's
> > > just not going to happen here. DXP is way out of the question.
> > >
> > > It's a pity that more people wont jump on this bandwagon. They'll
> > > just keep forking out
Out of interest, would it be fully compatible with every Protel file or do
we start again from scratch - libraries, x years work etc?
Doug
>
>Is this the time to start the "open source SCH/PCB package" argument
>again.
>
>Seriously -- as someone who has written a 3D CAD package, albeit not
On Wed, 10 Jul 2002 09:28, you wrote:
> > I've been told by my boss that for what Altium are offering with ATS it's
> > just not going to happen here. DXP is way out of the question.
> >
> > It's a pity that more people wont jump on this bandwagon. They'll
> > just keep forking out hard earned mon
uesday, July 09, 2002 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] ATS - don't do it! (was restore defaults...)
>
>
> > I've been told by my boss that for what Altium are offering with ATS
it's
> > just not going to happen here. DXP is way out of the question.
> >
> &g
> I've been told by my boss that for what Altium are offering with ATS it's
> just not going to happen here. DXP is way out of the question.
>
> It's a pity that more people wont jump on this bandwagon. They'll
> just keep forking out hard earned money for defective software.
Likewise here, bas
Tom,
many of them will join us, they just keep it quiet. It would be probably better from
our users' point of view if more people voiced their opinion. That would hopefully let
them understand we are serious when we say 'We are not buying this anymore'.
Igor
I've been told by my boss that fo
> -Original Message-
> From: Brad Velander [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, 10 July 2002 3:07 AM
> To: 'Protel EDA Forum'
> Subject: Re: [PEDA] restore defaults in layer order display - don't do
> it!
>
>
-Snip-
> There is
> only one way that Protel will ever listen, stop g
: +31 23 5255050
fax : +31 23 5276961
-Original Message-
From: Stephen Casey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Protel forum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: donderdag 13 december 2001 17:59
Subject: [PEDA] ATS and non-US users
>Hello again,
>
>I cannot login as an ATS member.
Hello again,
I cannot login as an ATS member. P99SE was purchased at the beginning of
October (but that is in dispute at the moment), although the information
states that every license holder has limited ATS membership. My question is:
Are there any members of this list from outside the US that h
At 09:26 AM 12/5/01 +0100, Edi Im Hof wrote:
>I heard a _rumor_, the sales has dropped noticable after the price
>increase last summer. Not everybody at Altium is pleased with this strategy.
I don't know how sales have been going, but I'd think there would be a
third quarter report out there...
At 08:47 05.12.01 +1000, you wrote:
> >
> > > It looks like the share holders are not impressed
> > > with the ATS either.
> > >
> > > One month back ALU was trading at over $4.80 and
> > > today they are trading at $2.50 and falling.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Perhaps the shareholders are monitoring t
>
> > It looks like the share holders are not impressed
> > with the ATS either.
> >
> > One month back ALU was trading at over $4.80 and
> > today they are trading at $2.50 and falling.
> >
> >
>
> Perhaps the shareholders are monitoring this list??
>
> Steve Hendrix
>
Perhaps ATS needs to be s
It looks like the share holders are not impressed
with the ATS either.
One month back ALU was trading at over $4.80 and
today they are trading at $2.50 and falling.
Maybe if they drop some more we can all pitch in
and buy the company :)
Darren Moore
If you care to see more go here...
http:/
quot;Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 2:32 PM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] ATS Specifications, Terms and Conditions
> I think you all have far too much spare time on your hands!!!
>
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
vity, and do not want the burden of
servicing software, nor are users capable in most cases. The service onus
lies with the vendor.
Regards,
Fred A Rupinski
- Original Message -
From: "Abd ul-Rahman Lomax" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]&
>
To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 4:15 AM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] ATS Specifications, Terms and Conditions
> >>I think you all have far too much spare time on your hands!!!
>
> >Actually, Stephen, I do right now. I have
>>I think you all have far too much spare time on your hands!!!
>Actually, Stephen, I do right now. I have been recovering from surgery
>since Oct. 15.
Sorry, didn't mean to offend you, just laughing at how much some people
write in their response's.
It seems that when I come in to work in the
At 02:57 PM 11/13/01 -0500, Bagotronix Tech Support wrote:
> > I think you all have far too much spare time on your hands!!!
>
>Actually, Stephen, I do right now. I have been recovering from surgery
>since Oct. 15.
Touche.
I think I speak for all of us in wishing Mr. Baggett a speedy recovery a
Most of this has become an example of reduction ad absurdem, but a few
comments.
At 02:10 PM 11/13/01 -0500, Bagotronix Tech Support wrote:
>Abdul, you're a great dude, but I've got to disagree with you on this.
>Maybe I wasn't clear enough with my illustrative examples. The fact that
>cleanin
rid of me anytime soon ;-)
Best regards,
Ivan Baggett
Bagotronix Inc.
website: www.bagotronix.com
- Original Message -
From: "Stephen Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 2:32 PM
Subject: Re
I think you all have far too much spare time on your hands!!!
-Original Message-
From: Bagotronix Tech Support [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 13 November 2001 19:32
To: Protel EDA Forum
Subject: Re: [PEDA] ATS Specifications, Terms and Conditions
> >Having your house cleane
reat value at $5K. It's
not such a great value at $10K. And don't say it is compared to Cadence;
cutting my toenail too deep is less painful compared to shooting myself in
the foot. But they both hurt and I don't want to do either.
Best regards,
Ivan Baggett
Bagotronix Inc.
website:
At 03:13 PM 11/12/01 -0500, Bagotronix Tech Support wrote:
> > There is nothing intrinsically wrong with the "software as a service"
> > concept. In fact, properly implemented, it could be an improvement over
>the
> > more common product concept.
>
>Having your house cleaned is a service.
Yes.
>
sell it or throw
it away" concept.
Best regards,
Ivan Baggett
Bagotronix Inc.
website: www.bagotronix.com
- Original Message -
From: "Abd ul-Rahman Lomax" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 2:51 PM
There is nothing intrinsically wrong with the "software as a service"
concept. In fact, properly implemented, it could be an improvement over the
more common product concept.
I'm going to assume that the proposed law discussed here does not
circumvent the basic principle that to be enforceable
- Original Message -
From: "Fred A Rupinski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 11:17 AM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] ATS Specifications, Terms and Conditions
> What is realistic is the barbed sha
What is realistic is the barbed shaft (tailored just for us) that some
predatory software vendors are lobbying for via the UCTAI. Among
other things, here is what they want:
-Legalize remote turnoff of users' software (check out MS XP)
-Ban unfavorable reviews of software
-Legal prot
Since it seems that nobody of us really knows what value ATS is to us, I
suggest to post our problems to both, the Protel (Altium) Technical
Support and the proteledaforum. I do this with the question regarding
the crash of 99SE SP6 I just had this morning:
I tried to generate a BOM with the wiza
Brad isn't the only one to return from vacation to hear this most
disappointing news.
I'm a little shocked...from what I can tell, we are basically going to have
to pay for our technical support and service packs from now on. A whopping
$2K a year. Apparantly with penalty if you don't mainta
Rene wrote:
When I have a question I want it answered
> immediately, so I pick up the phone and call a colleague.
Since the introduction of this forum, I have had almost all of my questions,
and problems resolved by colleagues on this media. I would hope that the
ATS program would include sup
On 09:00 AM 8/11/2001 -0800, Brad Velander said:
>Hi all,
> seems in reading this message that I may have missed something
>significant while I was away on vacation. I did not receive any email about
>this "ATS", does anybody still have a copy of the email that they can
>forward to me? Was
I called their local representative here.
They admitted the message was not that clear.
The point is :
They introduce a service subscription named ATS.
You pay the amount for the period due and receive the latest
software for free. Forget that support bullshit, there never
was one, and possibl
bugs are fixed, what bugs are new etc. Yet
you have already forked out the cash for it. This type of company never
gets my repeat business!!
Marshall
-Original Message-
From: Jason Morgan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 11:44 AM
To: 'Protel EDA Forum'
All,
I'd like to point out that (in my opinion ) Protel's 'tech' support is not
worth it.
[Rave switch on]
In the UK (Yes, Premier I know you are listening... you let the cat out the
other day) their support could be described as desktop support, similar to
that offered by PC reseller to new Wi
To: 'Protel EDA Forum'
> Subject: Re: [PEDA] ATS
>
> P.S. RE ATS:
> Just an added note... A very successful friend of mine gave me some advice
> a
> while a go... 'If you want to be a successful, don't be afraid to tell
> your
> secrets. and always
Message-
From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 10:25 PM
To: Protel EDA Forum
Subject: Re: [PEDA] ATS - News
At 01:44 PM 11/1/01 -0800, Peter Bennett wrote:
>If the $2,195 includes OziGST, this would (might?) imply the $1995 is
>Ozi$, not US$,
My last comment on ATS.. it was inevitable. Protel bought Accel, a product
I hated and previously labeled "Bitmapped Crayola". Both PADS and Accel
marketed their products "a la carteAccel was not complete unless you
purchased the forth wheel as Dave White commented. A forth wheel,
autom
Don, I also agree to you.
Changing to another product will not solve the problem.
We invested a lot of time in "debugging" Protel 3.X. 98, 99 and 99SE.
Protel every time was encouraged to solve the problem in the new product
releases.
So we must "educate" the new company holders to follow the old
I left Accel/Tango, and found Protel, largely because of the TTS
(Tango Total Support) program, and it's upgrade costs. Accel lost a
customer, and they obtained no further upgrade revenue stream from me.
Accel therefore got weaker.
Protel gained a customer, got a new sale, and has had bee
We should remember that Protel has a year to bed this down.
Basically nothing is different for any user for about a year. The reason
current P99SE users are not offered ATS membership as they do not need it.
Current P99SE licenses will presumably be offered an upgrade price when the
upgrade a
At 01:44 PM 11/1/01 -0800, Peter Bennett wrote:
>If the $2,195 includes OziGST, this would (might?) imply the $1995 is
>Ozi$, not US$, so the ATS price in the US would be ~US$995 (or
>Can$1500).
Yes, I think I said something like that. $995 U.S. per year, though a bit
higher than what we have be
> Geoff Harland wrote:
>
> > It is not as if Altium need the additional funds to keep their
shareholders
> > from rioting. So the question is what their users will get in exchange
for
> > these additional payments. (It has been a long time since SP6 was
released
> > for Protel 99 SE. And since the
To all,
My experience with Protel urged me to seek out this tool when I had the
resources to buy it. We are/were an Accel house that daily struggle with
this poorly envisioned nightmare. At first, the Protel buy out of Accel
elated me. There were promises of a P-CAD import/export engine that woul
On 01:44 PM 1/11/2001 -0800, Peter Bennett said:
>Ian Wilson wrote:
> >
> > On 01:23 PM 1/11/2001 -0800, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax said:
> > license then you will receive 12-months free ATS membership with any Protel
> > >>full suite licenses purchased after October 1st, 2001 (valued at
> $2,195*).
> >
Ian Wilson wrote:
>
> On 01:23 PM 1/11/2001 -0800, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax said:
> license then you will receive 12-months free ATS membership with any Protel
> >>full suite licenses purchased after October 1st, 2001 (valued at $2,195*).
> >
> >Eek! That's 10% higher than what we saw elsewhere!
>
>
Careful and reasoned may win the day but the alternative was veeerry
therapeutic ;-)
>
> 1) ATS for P99SE is USD$1995 for a $USD7995 product - 25%
>
Therein lies the problem, at USD$7995 prottle is really poor value.
The price of the product has risen substantially due to all of the
dysfuncti
cents worth
Bill Brooks
(back to designing PCB's with Protel)
-Original Message-
From: Brooks,Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 10:12 AM
To: 'Protel EDA Forum'
Subject: Re: [PEDA] ATS
Perhaps they have had a 'mole' from PA
On 01:23 PM 1/11/2001 -0800, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax said:
license then you will receive 12-months free ATS membership with any Protel
>>full suite licenses purchased after October 1st, 2001 (valued at $2,195*).
>
>Eek! That's 10% higher than what we saw elsewhere!
Relax (but only by 10%). 10% is the
At 10:48 PM 11/1/01 +1100, Ian Wilson wrote:
>4) Current upgrade cost from P98 to P99SE is just under USD$2000 - 25%
>again. Amortised over, lets say, 2 years making about 12.5% per annum.
Actually, the *initial* upgrade price was $995, and, a little later, the
*promotional* price was $695. The
At 04:50 PM 11/1/01 +1100, Thomas wrote:
>Here's the BS I received in reply to my little tantrum email effort:
[begin quote]
>[...]
>ATS membership is now provided with all Protel full suite licenses
>(effective October 1st, 2001). Rest assured, if you have purchased your
>Protel 99 SE license pr
t the parts...
that is inside the edit module... fork over more cash"... etc...
etc..
- Bill Brooks
-Original Message-
From: Bagotronix Tech Support [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 8:41 AM
To: Protel EDA Forum
Subject: Re: [PEDA] ATS
> Screw them
, they should go
work for an investment firm instead of a CAD software provider.
Best regards,
Ivan Baggett
Bagotronix Inc.
website: www.bagotronix.com
- Original Message -
From: "Tony Karavidas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED
Hi All,
Geoff Harland wrote:
>
> It is not as if Altium need the additional funds to keep their shareholders
> from rioting. So the question is what their users will get in exchange for
> these additional payments. (It has been a long time since SP6 was released
> for Protel 99 SE. And since the
G'Day all,
I have been doing some deep thinking and investigation on this, trying to
identify what I do not like and what my concerns are. This is really hard
work for me as I am not good at it. I am good at other stuff, not this, but
I feel that this issue is sufficiently important for my bus
revenue, although at a more moderate pace.
Tony
> -Original Message-
> From: Darren Moore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 10:07 PM
> To: 'Protel EDA Forum'
> Subject: Re: [PEDA] ATS - News
>
>
> This email is the broadcast t
y, October 31, 2001 6:03 PM
> To: Protel EDA Forum
> Subject: Re: [PEDA] ATS
>
>
> while i basically agree with both your sentiments and thoughts about
> this issue i'm afraid that it is a losing battle to try to fight it
> (although by all means please go ahead)
>
My reply (don't worry, I won't post any more like this I've nearly had
enough):
Craig,
What you do not seem to understand is that I and many other businesses will
not pay $4000 for 12 months support (after the initial "free 12 months"). It
is an unrealistic price. Therefore no support (especiall
This email is the broadcast to all users, I have received
the same. Now it is all clear as mud :(
This indicates that we will all pay after the next upgrade.
It is not like the new Microsoft model as I was told that
if you don't keep paying for the ATS you can still use the
software. But he could
Here's the BS I received in reply to my little tantrum email effort:
Dear Tom,
At Altium, we are committed to continually enhancing the performance of your
products. In line with this commitment, we have introduced a new superior
support program, Altium Total Support (ATS), that makes it easier
I couldn't stand the pressure any more !
So I called Protel here in Oz, the word is that
he knows next to nothing about ATS, BUT it will
you be made clear in the next 24 hours.
Press release, media blitz or maybe just an email
to current users.
So don't run away just yet, soon the (good) news
| | I wouldn't expect much for my AUD$4000 outside of the pain of having wasted
| | so much money.
|
| Yes, like ATS should do some boards for me at that price.
|
Or maybe send an engineer over for free personnel training. Wait a minute, it's not
free, it's 4G$ a year.
Brian Guraln
A Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 9:39 PM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] ATS - PIGS MIGHT FLY
| Maybe it is time to consider what is really supplied with the Protel at
| present.
|
| 1. A 'nice' schematic layout package
| 2. A reasonable PCB pack
tly how the
userbase feels & what the likelihood is of them turning us into cash-cows.
Cheers
Don Ingram CID
- Original Message -
From: Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 'Protel EDA Forum' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 11:18 AM
Subject: Re:
> Perhaps they are after money.. perhaps not.. but as
> users should we be asking a fee to beta test (or alpha
> test) their software ?
>
> If your in the beta test program why not consider
> this?
> Afterall whats good for the goose is good for the
> gander
>
> Simon
I think that they are "after
while i basically agree with both your sentiments and thoughts about
this issue i'm afraid that it is a losing battle to try to fight it
(although by all means please go ahead)
i say this because i think we will see in the very short run ALL major
software going to a time use business model
in o
Sent to Protel/Altium:
---
Why the hell would we (pre Oct 1st 99SE users) want to buy ATS membership if
we get the same thing for free? Quoted from your web site:
"Current Protel 99 SE Customers: All Protel 99 SE customers who have
purchased prior to October 1st, 2001 will continue to re
> From: Geoff Harland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 3:57 PM
> To: Protel EDA Forum
> Subject: Re: [PEDA] ATS
>
>
> > > Their wording is odd at best. " ATS membership CANNOT be purchased on
> > > existing Protel 99 SE licenses.
Perhaps they are after money.. perhaps not.. but as
users should we be asking a fee to beta test (or alpha
test) their software ?
If your in the beta test program why not consider
this?
Afterall whats good for the goose is good for the
gander
Simon
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> > Their wording is odd at best. " ATS membership CANNOT be purchased on
> > existing Protel 99 SE licenses."
> >
> I am concerned that it seems that it seems possible that in the future
there
> will be diminishing support for the existing users, but surely they would
> not want to loose their ex
David Want wrote:
> Oh come on and stop whinging, USD2000 a year is a small price to pay to
> keep all those accountants, administration, and marketing people in a
> job.
Not for a one-man shop! Protel was a BIG one-time investment for me,
$2000 a year will be unlikely to be affordable.
Jon
*
"David Want" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 11/01/2001 08:08:44 AM
Please respond to "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
cc: (bcc: Clive Broome/sdc)
Subject: [PEDA] ATS
Oh come on and stop whinging, US
Oh come on and stop whinging, USD2000 a year is a small price to pay to
keep all those accountants, administration, and marketing people in a
job.
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David Want
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> Their wording is odd at best. " ATS membership CANNOT be purchased on
> existing Protel 99 SE licenses."
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I am concerned that it seems that it seems possible that in the future there
will be diminishing support for the existing users, but surely they would
not want to loose their existing
Their wording is odd at best. " ATS membership CANNOT be purchased on
existing Protel 99 SE licenses."
What does that mean? Maybe it should say "CAN be purchased..." or else ALL
of their current customer base has been left in the dust.
Tony
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