Re: NDE's Proved Real?

2013-04-05 Thread Alberto G. Corona
I have a explanation of NDE experiences that is incomplete because it is based on evolution, and the evolution of a trait rarely obey a single cause not even a set of causes , because natural selection is holistic. Although some of these causes may be the main ones in the evolution of a certain tra

Re: NDE's Proved Real?

2013-04-04 Thread Alberto G. Corona
Even for materialists: why when the brain is in stress conditions do appear vivid hallucinations that probably need a high dose of energy instead of seeing for example a fixed image with "malfunction, we are on it. please relax" ??? What I know is that there are a growing number of effects in hum

Re: Two Posts About Math

2013-03-25 Thread Alberto G. Corona
I mean: ultimately the aestetic pleasure of Math derives from the natural impulse to search for efficient algoritms useful for deduction 2013/3/25 Alberto G. Corona > I don´t know what Math is. > > If math is all that is free from contradictions and can be expressed using > the

Re: Religious Robots

2013-03-25 Thread Alberto G. Corona
point that differences natural theology from mathematical theology) Religión is more a form of organization around an admitted theology. 2013/3/24 Bruno Marchal > > On 22 Mar 2013, at 13:06, Alberto G. Corona wrote: > > These beliefs in robotic religión has some reasons behind or

Re: Tarsky's Proof of the undefinability of truth.

2013-03-25 Thread Alberto G. Corona
I suspect that this impossibility is because math uses concept of a model, while truth refers to the match of facts of the model with facts of the reality . Or at least to facts of a metamodel outside of the model. That is AFAIK the Tarsky idea. For example, "All men are mortal is true" . Here s

Re: Two Posts About Math

2013-03-25 Thread Alberto G. Corona
I don´t know what Math is. If math is all that is free from contradictions and can be expressed using the language of mathematics, then any description at any level can be math. For example the set of positions and speeds of the particles of a piece of dirt. That description has nothing pure to s

Re: Religious Robots

2013-03-23 Thread Alberto G. Corona
; > On 3/22/2013 6:41 AM, Richard Ruquist wrote: > >> > >> On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi > wrote: > >>> > >>> On 22.03.2013 13:41 Richard Ruquist said the following: > >>> > >>>> On Fri, Mar 22, 2013

Re: Religious Robots

2013-03-22 Thread Alberto G. Corona
These inmanentist religions (eartly utopianism) it is clear that substitute God by Man (upper case). A divinized man . This has the most evident form of personality cult to the chosen ones that have the knowledge and/or are at the control of the transformation process, that in the modernity is cal

Re: Religious Robots

2013-03-22 Thread Alberto G. Corona
the modern uthopias, and share the same basic impulses. So this apocaliptic AI is one more scientist wave in this vast historical process. Almost every scientific discipline has promised a kind of salvation for himself. 2013/3/22 Evgenii Rudnyi > On 22.03.2013 15:31 Alberto G. Corona said

Re: G.K. Chesterton on Materialism

2013-03-22 Thread Alberto G. Corona
This extract from Chesterton has little sense without what precedes and follows. 2013/3/16 Craig Weinberg > "For we must remember that the materialist philosophy (whether true or >> not) is certainly much more limiting than any religion. In one sense, of >> course, all intelligent ideas are na

Re: Religious Robots

2013-03-22 Thread Alberto G. Corona
I a previous discussion in this list ("robotic truth") I argue that a robot in a competitive environment has to develop (or be programmed for) all the elements of religión and beliefs to cooperate and survive. 2013/3/22 Evgenii Rudnyi > On 22.03.2013 13:47 Stephen P. King said the following

Re: Religious Robots

2013-03-22 Thread Alberto G. Corona
These beliefs in robotic religión has some reasons behind or it is simply wishful thinking? 2013/3/22 Evgenii Rudnyi > Quotes from Robert Geraci, Apocalyptic AI: Visions of Heaven in Robotics, > Artificial Intelligence, and Virtual Reality > > p. 133 "Ray Kurzweil believes that intelligent mach

Re: True?

2013-03-19 Thread Alberto G. Corona
No. What means "truth value" of something? in which range of phenomena? in all phenomena applicable? how you can test all phenomena applicable to a theory? you can't. The only thing that you can do is to test a particular prediction that the theory predict that may never happen (Popperian falsabil

Re: Losing Control

2013-03-15 Thread Alberto G. Corona
Again the shorcomings of nominamism/positivism. The greeks would laugh at these questions. It can be explained if we abandon the monomaniatic reductionistic physicalism and think in terms of just what we are: rational beings: I think that the notion of "lost control of something" in an intelligent

Re: Brain teaser

2013-03-08 Thread Alberto G. Corona
2013/3/8 Craig Weinberg > > > On Friday, March 8, 2013 7:41:23 AM UTC-5, Alberto G.Corona wrote: >> >> That may be not enough. suppose that you are starving, and you receive in >> your phone a message describing where is the next source of water but >> somehow the description is interspersed in t

Re: Messages Aren't Made of Information

2013-03-05 Thread Alberto G. Corona
Let´s say that what we call "information" is an extended form of sensory input. What makes this input "information" is the usability of this input for reducing the internal entropy of the receiver or increase the internal order. The receiver can be a machine, a cell, a person or a society for examp

Re: The duplicators and the restorers

2013-02-22 Thread Alberto G. Corona
2013/2/21 Bruno Marchal > > On 20 Feb 2013, at 22:38, Alberto G. Corona wrote: > > if comp and the null hypothesis (everithing exist) is accepted, then a > infinity of copies of you are now being kicked by a wild horse while being > eaten by bugs in an ocean of acid. >

Re: The duplicators and the restorers

2013-02-20 Thread Alberto G. Corona
if comp and the null hypothesis (everithing exist) is accepted, then a infinity of copies of you are now being kicked by a wild horse while being eaten by bugs in an ocean of acid. So it does not matter what just a single copy of you is doing whatever ;) 2013/2/13 Bruno Marchal > > On 13 Feb 20

Re: The LSD Thumbprint

2013-02-13 Thread Alberto G. Corona
Almost the same sensations provoked by a stroke: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTrJqmKoveU There is nothing in LSD or any other psychodelical drugs, except the impairement fo the pre-conscious control of what arrives to the conscious produced by the (different modules of the) brain, That is a cl

Re: The Plant Teachers

2013-02-09 Thread Alberto G. Corona
detoxify fast enough. 2013/2/8 Alberto G. Corona > Some initial comments, because I´m very interested on these alterations of > conscience. The rest of my comments will appear along the conversation: > > I´m persuaded, by very simple evolutionary analysis that plants > pr

Re: The Plant Teachers

2013-02-08 Thread Alberto G. Corona
list=PLyXtpSZUDSjzBluIm4CL5Dbf4F65B0t24.com/secrets-of-the-mind 2013/2/8 Alberto G. Corona > Some initial comments, because I´m very interested on these alterations of > conscience. The rest of my comments will appear along the conversation: > > I´m persuaded, by very simple evolutionary analysis that p

Re: The Plant Teachers

2013-02-08 Thread Alberto G. Corona
Some initial comments, because I´m very interested on these alterations of conscience. The rest of my comments will appear along the conversation: I´m persuaded, by very simple evolutionary analysis that plants produced whatever chemical substance that stops from eating them. this is their only me

Re: Comp: Geometry Is A Zombie

2013-02-06 Thread Alberto G. Corona
2013/2/6 Bruno Marchal > > On 05 Feb 2013, at 11:19, Simon Forman wrote: > > On Monday, February 4, 2013 12:22:53 PM UTC-8, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, February 4, 2013 3:09:16 PM UTC-5, Alberto G.Corona wrote: >> >> >>> but there is a self reference when we try to imagine how th

Re: Lee Smolin and Darwin's Uncommon Success

2013-02-06 Thread Alberto G. Corona
2013/2/6 Bruno Marchal > > On 06 Feb 2013, at 10:22, Alberto G. Corona wrote: > > > > > 2013/2/6 Stephen P. King > >> On 2/5/2013 3:27 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: >> >> >> >> >> 2013/2/5 Stephen P. King >> >>> Hi, >

Re: Saint Thomas Aquinas

2013-02-06 Thread Alberto G. Corona
Another irritating attempt to initiate an of topic discussion. This time the irritation was intended. Please 2013/2/6 John Clark > In his book Summa Theologica that prototypical theologian Saint Thomas > Aquinas speculated on what heaven would be like, Just as santaklausologians > specula

Re: Re: Comp: Geometry Is A Zombie

2013-02-06 Thread Alberto G. Corona
2013/2/5 Roger Clough > Hi Alberto G. Corona > > Your concept is incomplete, because geometry is what Plato called forms, > which he gave the Greek name of ideas. So you have a thought without a > thinker. > > > Yes, the greeks did not conceive an empty space without fo

Re: Lee Smolin and Darwin's Uncommon Success

2013-02-06 Thread Alberto G. Corona
2013/2/6 Stephen P. King > On 2/5/2013 3:27 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: > > > > > 2013/2/5 Stephen P. King > >> Hi, >> >> ISTM that purpose is a 1p, so to ask the question in a 3p sense is to >> make it meaningless. >> >> >>

Re: Lee Smolin and Darwin's Uncommon Success

2013-02-05 Thread Alberto G. Corona
2013/2/5 Stephen P. King > Hi, > > ISTM that purpose is a 1p, so to ask the question in a 3p sense is to > make it meaningless. > > > That´s it. But to insist into make the question in 3p may force the introduction of an implicit 1p that contemplate the 3p, that is, a metamind , with a m

Re: Lee Smolin and Darwin's Uncommon Success

2013-02-05 Thread Alberto G. Corona
I doubt that meaning, existence, creation, purpose makes sense when applied to the mathematical nature of the external reality. I think that these concepts only makes sense when though by a mind. So either we reject these concepts when thinking about the universe (and this makes reasoning almost i

Re: Why I love the Jews

2013-02-04 Thread Alberto G. Corona
I think that Roger said nothing agains Jews. simply, ethnic personal tastes are not a topic for this group. 2013/2/4 freqflyer07281972 > Is there a way Roger can be banned for a comment like that? Or should the > moderators/admins of this list simply change it to the 'Everything-Nazi > List'?

Re: Comp: Geometry Is A Zombie

2013-02-04 Thread Alberto G. Corona
I think that geometry is a form of accelerated calculation and presentation of distances and angles by/in the mind, of the external mathematical reality. Within this mental geometrical representation, we locate the rest of the elements of the mathematical reality that are relevant for survival, t

Re: Re: Re: Re: Lessons from the Block Universe

2013-02-03 Thread Alberto G. Corona
time, his 3d space, his macroscopical laws, is a product of the mind when he contemplate the mathematical structure from inside. 2013/2/3 Roger Clough > Hi Alberto G. Corona > > My understanding is that the block universe is the physical universe, > so it does not include the w

Re: Re: Lessons from the Block Universe

2013-02-02 Thread Alberto G. Corona
rmitted in existence (And I´m saying a lot), then we still can think, that the block universes is made of things that exist, that we observe and things that don´t exist. It depends on the notion of existence. 2013/2/2 Richard Ruquist > On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 4:18 AM, Alberto G.

Re: Re: Re: Lessons from the Block Universe

2013-02-02 Thread Alberto G. Corona
Hi Alberto G. Corona > > Does your version of mind actually do anything ? > > > - Receiving the following content - > *From:* Alberto G. Corona > *Receiver:* everything-list > *Time:* 2013-02-02, 04:43:54 > *Subject:* Re: Re: Lessons from the Block Universe > >

Re: Re: Lessons from the Block Universe

2013-02-02 Thread Alberto G. Corona
I do think that a block universe can contain minds in a certain way. The objections against that are based in the absence of time, but space(3D geometry) and time can and should be a product of the machinery of the mind, in the kantian sense. But while in Kant things in themselves are unreachable,

Re: Re: Lessons from the Block Universe

2013-02-02 Thread Alberto G. Corona
Hi 2013/1/30 Richard Ruquist > > It is to me. I think it is very unlikely that the motions and > evolutions of star and galaxies and in my model even universes could > be strongly affected by biological consciousness > > But then, what is the anthropic principle about? > > > > -- > > Stathis P

Re: Re: Facts vs values

2013-01-30 Thread Alberto G. Corona
2013/1/30 Roger Clough > Hi Bruno Marchal, > > When I read the Bible, it is a subjective act, > but not my own subjective act alonw, it is > contained in the subjectivity of the Holy Spirit. > > I´m afraid that when the bible and the Holy Spirit is put away by more radical movements of a tradit

Re: Martin Luther on Rationality

2013-01-30 Thread Alberto G. Corona
2013/1/30 meekerdb > On 1/29/2013 7:38 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> >> On 27 Jan 2013, at 19:53, Alberto G. Corona wrote: >> >> Bruno, >>> You sill say interesting things even in a thread that has fallen deep >>> in the boring hole of Reductio

Re: No Wonder philosophers suck!

2013-01-29 Thread Alberto G. Corona
A great post Stephen thanks Well, in fact what the post says is that the ones that sucks are the logical positivists (and their dwarfs, the scientists), who took over the power in Modernland. I take this phrase, which IMHO describes very well what is inside of what "In fact, the opposite is tru

Re: Martin Luther on Rationality

2013-01-27 Thread Alberto G. Corona
of reason: it can see its own limitations. > > Machines are born with a form of necessary faith and necessary intuition. > > Bruno > > > > > Faith opens the inner eye, which science wants to blind. > So it is said that with faith, you have everything, without faith > you h

Re: Martin Luther on Rationality

2013-01-26 Thread Alberto G. Corona
Dear Bruno, I can not agree with you. neither with anyone that contemplate a minimalistic extract of the ideas of the past from the point of view and the knowledge (and ignorance) of the present. Natural theology and the conquest of nature has been ever a part of Christianity not because that was

Re: mega-consciousness,created by bio-electrical circuitry?

2013-01-25 Thread Alberto G. Corona
Hi Telmo. Group selection It is no longer controversial. Naive group selection do not work, but selection between groups where internal deletereous behaviours are repressed to a certan level (but never eliminated) does work. The theory is called multilevel selection. where selection operates at a

Re: Re: Martin Luther on Rationality

2013-01-25 Thread Alberto G. Corona
not extend this, to avoid to mention the G-world and induce another rant by Pavlovian conditioning). 2013/1/25 Roger Clough > Hi Alberto G. Corona > > Luther wasn't a rationalist, and so contributed nothing to modern science. > > > > - Receiving the following conte

Re: Martin Luther on Rationality

2013-01-24 Thread Alberto G. Corona
2013/1/24 meekerdb > On 1/24/2013 9:41 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: > >> In fact it is just the opposite: the position of Luther, like the one of >> Ocham or Duns Scoto, which were strongly anti-reason, created the modern >> science and were precursors of the most rad

Re: Martin Luther on Rationality

2013-01-24 Thread Alberto G. Corona
killed by the scientific socialists. (or the 5+30 millions killed by the modern eugenesists). The selection of stories in a biased way is a proof of nothing but the own prejudices. 2013/1/24 meekerdb > > > On 1/24/2013 9:12 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: > > All these things are part

Re: Martin Luther on Rationality

2013-01-24 Thread Alberto G. Corona
In fact it is just the opposite: the position of Luther, like the one of Ocham or Duns Scoto, which were strongly anti-reason, created the modern science and were precursors of the most radical forms of Positivism. Why? It is simple to understand: The three of them were against the use of reason

Re: Martin Luther on Rationality

2013-01-24 Thread Alberto G. Corona
All these things are part of the myths of modernity. The reality is quite different. The idea that the medievals though that the earth was flat is larguely a myth, as true as the fact that now a fair amount of the people in the world believe that Man has not been in the Moon. Inquisition, for examp

Re: Martin Luther on Rationality

2013-01-24 Thread Alberto G. Corona
I though that, this was not a site for enhancing the self esteem of self-proclaimed rationalists neither an insult-you-an-infidel theraphy group. 2013/1/24 John Clark > I sincerely hope that nobody believes I'm picking on Catholics because > Protestant "thinking" is every bit as brain dead dumb

Re: Re: The unpredictability of solar energy

2013-01-17 Thread Alberto G. Corona
> human population is only possible because of fossil fuel energy. If we > don't find an alternative, we will eventually face a mass extinction event. > I'm not sure such an alternative exists, but maybe I'll be proven wrong (at > least for my 1p) by MWI and QS. > > &g

Re: The unpredictability of solar energy

2013-01-17 Thread Alberto G. Corona
u have been surpassed. Come on Brent > Brent > > > On 1/17/2013 2:57 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: > > Count me as an heretic denialist of the ecological Apocalipsis. The > Michael Mann hockey stick is a fraud as you can verify in the mails leaked > in the Climate Research Un

Re: Re: the curse of materialism

2013-01-16 Thread Alberto G. Corona
relativistic mathematics lacks a corresponding qualia of the mind that make them intuitive and "real". They are efective and predictive, but we can not make it apparent and intuitive in our reality. 2013/1/16 Alberto G. Corona > This is the best introduction to quantum mechanics

Re: The unpredictability of solar energy

2013-01-16 Thread Alberto G. Corona
Oh, two planet-saviors. I´m more simpatetic to the "make French chess legal in america" movement. Waiting for the next paranoia 2013/1/16 meekerdb > e is great uncertainty about the problem. Of course they are not going to > do anything about a problem they are -- Alberto. -- You

Re: Re: the curse of materialism

2013-01-16 Thread Alberto G. Corona
This is the best introduction to quantum mechanics: https://www.google.es/search?q=susskind+quantum+mechanics&aq=f&oq=susskind+quantum+mechanics&aqs=chrome.0.57j0l3.11316&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 disclaimer: I have not seen it. but I saw some other lectures of this series "the theoretical minim

Re: The unpredictability of solar energy

2013-01-16 Thread Alberto G. Corona
I have to say that in the countries where lobbies are not permitted, they are stronger and operate without the voter knowledge, so they have much more freedom for corruption. Prohibition by law is not a magic way to make things dissapear. Unless omniscient, incapable of doing evil inspectors revi

Re: Math-> Computation-> Mind -> Geometry -> Space -> Matter

2013-01-16 Thread Alberto G. Corona
democatic principle becomes a dogma an a source of wishdom. so the democratic decissions can not go wrong. Many people says: The people can not go wrong!! economy and simplicity homogeneity principle 2013/1/16 Stephen P. King > On 1/15/2013 9:13 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: > > &#

Re: Math-> Computation-> Mind -> Geometry -> Space -> Matter

2013-01-15 Thread Alberto G. Corona
'that there is something fundamental that has particular properties is unscientific dogma'. Then everything is unscientific. because no human knowledge can be expressed without unproven premises at the bottom. Dogmas are not axioms neither premises, neither assumption, but the latter tend to bec

Re: The unpredictability of solar energy

2013-01-14 Thread Alberto G. Corona
Neither the state neither the market can build a society. It a question of something more, that has a fundamental ingredient: the contact with reality. When a person believe that receiving from the taxpayer two three four times the market price for his solar electricity, and still think that he i

Re: Re: Re: The unpredictability of solar energy

2013-01-14 Thread Alberto G. Corona
You are californian its'nt? 2013/1/14 Platonist Guitar Cowboy > > > On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 2:42 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: > >> THe problem with solar energy is that it is strongly subsidized. >> > > Yes, but this is lessening. Protectionism is crumbling.

Re: Re: Re: The unpredictability of solar energy

2013-01-14 Thread Alberto G. Corona
THe problem with solar energy is that it is strongly subsidized. Instead of you being stolen by "monopolistic" energy companies, you can steal the taxpayer thank to state planning. Most solar panels are installed because they receive subsidies by KW. As a logical consequience a boost in production

Re: Math-> Computation-> Mind -> Geometry -> Space -> Matter

2013-01-13 Thread Alberto G. Corona
since the mind or in your case consciousness is the selector of existence. n your case, I think that consciousness would "cause-back" Arithmetic and computation:* Math<-> Computation<-> Mind -> Geometry -> Space -> Matter 2013/1/13 Bruno Marchal > > On 12 Jan

Re: Whoever invented the word "God" invented atheism.

2013-01-11 Thread Alberto G. Corona
Dear Bruno: - As I tried to show in robotic Truth, religion is a neccesity for the operation of social beings. For all machines, actually. Even when isolated. the "robotic truth" can be > approached by introspection when the machine complexity is above the Löbian > threshold. > > > That´s absolu

Re: Re: HOW YOU CAN BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN IN JUST 4 STEPS.

2013-01-11 Thread Alberto G. Corona
Space and time may be only on the mind in the Kantian sense. I don´t find that space must be independent of the mind. space and time may be the way we perceive a space-time manifold which is pure mathematic and nothing else. Maybe we can see space out there and we can think on geometry in a spat

Re: Quantum Suicide and World War 3

2013-01-10 Thread Alberto G. Corona
Perhaps we must worship Everett. Maybe he is with Einstein in a superdimensional throne of quarks. Aleluya. 2013/1/10 John Clark > Perhaps the Quantum Suicide experiment has already been performed and on a > global scale. After Hugh Everett developed the many Worlds interpretation > in his doct

Re: Atheists are those that refuse to worship the false gods they invent.

2013-01-10 Thread Alberto G. Corona
I meant: That´s why PROTECTION FROM bloody offenses demand blood as sacrifice 2013/1/10 Alberto G. Corona > That´s why bloody offenses demand blood as sacrifice -- Alberto. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" grou

Re: Atheists are those that refuse to worship the false gods they invent.

2013-01-10 Thread Alberto G. Corona
It would say that they worship, and worship very hard. But his worship does adopt different forms. All of them primitive, since their impulses are not moderated by an assumption of tradition, so they lack the knowledge of best practices due to previous failures. It is necessary to take into account

Re: Question: Robotic truth

2013-01-08 Thread Alberto G. Corona
2013/1/8 Richard Ruquist > At the most basic level reality is a discrete digital particle arithmetic > with no need for further calculations in a block universe. > > Then it is indistinguishable from a contiuous or discrete mathematical manifold of some kind. This manifold is anthropically select

Re: Re: Is Sheldrake credible ? I personally think so.

2013-01-07 Thread Alberto G. Corona
it is perfectly possible to accept natural selection with all the implication in genetics without being a materialist. The materialism is a superfluous ideological substrate. Sheldrake is right about this critic of materialism. I´m not materialist, and I accept Natural selection. Materialism is

Re: Question: Robotic truth

2013-01-07 Thread Alberto G. Corona
se NS is how we, as temporal beings perceive the very long term coherence between the mind and the anthropicallly selected mathematical reality 2013/1/6 Alberto G. Corona > The expression "Socila construction of reality" is an expression that hold > any kind or relativism. This is

Re: From nominalism to Scientifc Materialism Re: Is Sheldrake credible? Ipersonally think so.

2013-01-07 Thread Alberto G. Corona
I still don't know if Roger refer to the ,modern materialistic state or my initial paragraph about human nature. I do not know how this nominalism-materialism has derived in a "hole" such is Fascism. Fascism is a political term, not a philosophical term. To stop a discussion because something in h

Re: Question: Robotic truth

2013-01-06 Thread Alberto G. Corona
limitation in our knowledge and the flawed nature of our communications have moral, epistemological and in general philosophical implications. 2013/1/6 meekerdb > On 1/6/2013 12:42 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: > >> I read some workd of Gintis,. but the experimental game theorists

Re: Question: Robotic truth

2013-01-06 Thread Alberto G. Corona
I read some workd of Gintis,. but the experimental game theorists give up when things get complicated. The dynamic of groups stability and cooperation and their mechanisms is an field which has not even started. They do not study the vital role of public cult and rites, for example that are critica

Re: Question: Robotic truth

2013-01-06 Thread Alberto G. Corona
Your robot do not have time to know the true truth. He would not speculate on the nature of his programmer, or why he is here. At least until the problems of survival are solved by means of a stable collaboration. Even so, he never could have the opportunity to know the programmer. He don´t know th

From nominalism to Scientifc Materialism Re: Is Sheldrake credible ? I personally think so.

2013-01-06 Thread Alberto G. Corona
A greath truth. Every human knowledge has also social consequiences. When I say "A". I don´t only say "A is true". I say also that because A is true and you must accept it because a set of my socially reputated fellows of me did something to affirm it, you must believe it, and, more important, I de

Re: Question: Robotic truth

2012-12-18 Thread Alberto G. Corona
survival, not accuracy. 2012/12/18 meekerdb > On 12/18/2012 8:05 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: > >> Suppose that you are in charge of the software of a social robot. I mean >> a robot that live with other robots that collaborate to solve problems. >> These robots must repair

Re: Question: Robotic truth

2012-12-18 Thread Alberto G. Corona
2012/12/18 Alberto G. Corona > It just want te people to argue about what must be true for these robots. > I suppose that the truth about fabrication of pieces are know and accepted > by all, so the only remaining things to communicate and hold as trur are > the ones related with

Re: Question: Robotic truth

2012-12-18 Thread Alberto G. Corona
with truths about other robots or groups of robots. 2012/12/18 Roger Clough > Hi Alberto G. Corona > > I'd rather just take a poll. > I feel more comfortable with data. > > [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] > 12/18/2012 > "Forever is a long time, espe

Question: Robotic truth

2012-12-18 Thread Alberto G. Corona
Suppose that you are in charge of the software of a social robot. I mean a robot that live with other robots that collaborate to solve problems. These robots must repair themselves, with pieces that are located in the field. these pieces are scarce or they are not for free, and some groups of robot

Re: Re: Moral evaluations of harm are instant and emotional,brain study shows

2012-12-14 Thread Alberto G. Corona
ve one. Accept conservatism and be happy ;). Just a joke. Craig > > >> >> >> 2012/12/13 Craig Weinberg >> >>> >>> >>> On Thursday, December 13, 2012 10:43:59 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Alberto G. Co

Re: Re: Moral evaluations of harm are instant and emotional,brain study shows

2012-12-14 Thread Alberto G. Corona
, 2012 10:43:59 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: >> >> Hi Alberto G. Corona >> >> It's much simpler than that, I think. >> Progressives hate everything resembles anything >> held to be good, beautiful, or true. >> > > Then your thoughts are simple-mi

Re: Moral evaluations of harm are instant and emotional, brain study shows

2012-12-13 Thread Alberto G. Corona
You said it: ."...in part because it (evolution) carried a sense of "progress" not found in Darwin's idea" Evolution is descriptive, is the fact. natural selection is the theory that explain it. A scientific theory impose constraints with what may and may not happen. For example, child caring and

Re: Moral evaluations of harm are instant and emotional, brain study shows

2012-12-13 Thread Alberto G. Corona
Dear Craig, You have much to learn about evolution. there have been a lot of developments since Darwin. You adhere to a caricature that is outdated. Almost everything can drive to totalitarianism, The idea that nothing is innate drives to totalitarian social engineering. the idea that men are diffe

Re: How mathematical truth might enter our universe

2012-12-12 Thread Alberto G. Corona
Hi Friends. Im my opinion, mathematical truth becomes a result of the antrophic principle if we accept that life is a process of algorithmical discovery of a description of the reality where the body is, so that this description can be incorporated and used for survival. This discovery demand co

Re: Moral evaluations of harm are instant and emotional, brain study shows

2012-12-11 Thread Alberto G. Corona
Yes, I sent a search link for you to know the opinions about it. in EP this your example does not offer a clear hypothesis. But there are others that are evident. It depends on the context. for example , woman have more accurate facial recognition habilities, but men perceive faster than women f

Re: Hierarchy of beliefs

2012-12-10 Thread Alberto G. Corona
Stephen, The article illustrates the dangers of a premature modellization of a problem. The urge to have a mathematical model forces to narrow the thing to be modellized and to isolate it artificially from a wider context that is crucial for the understanding of the problem. The result is a fine mo

Re: The two wrong paths of modern cognitive science

2012-12-08 Thread Alberto G. Corona
2012/12/8 Stephen P. King > On 12/7/2012 6:01 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: > > Fantastic links, specially the latter. I´ll read it. > > This is my standpoint now: > > First is necessary to define existence. My standpoint is that what > exists is what the mind assume

Re: Moral evaluations of harm are instant and emotional, brain study shows

2012-11-30 Thread Alberto G. Corona
This speed in the evaluation is a consequence of evolutionary pressures: A teleological agent that is executing a violent plan against us is much more dangerous than a casual accident. because the first will continue harming us, so a fast reaction against further damage is necessary, while in the c

Re: Moral evaluations of harm are instant and emotional, brain study shows

2012-11-29 Thread Alberto G. Corona
There are other examples of abilities optimized for speed. At the functional level, a module for fast processing of logical rules involved in cheating detection (or breaking of deontic rules ) has been discovered: http://www.psych.ucsb.edu/research/cep/papers/PNASCosmidesBarrettTooby2010.pdf Appa

Re: Evolutionary logic Re: Some musings on is/ought and modal logic

2012-11-20 Thread Alberto G. Corona
2012/11/20 Bruno Marchal > > On 20 Nov 2012, at 16:02, Alberto G. Corona wrote: > > > > > 2012/11/11 Bruno Marchal > >> >> On 11 Nov 2012, at 01:29, Alberto G. Corona wrote: >> >> It is an observable fact. is obviously true that if you live

Re: Evolutionary logic Re: Some musings on is/ought and modal logic

2012-11-20 Thread Alberto G. Corona
2012/11/11 Bruno Marchal > > On 11 Nov 2012, at 01:29, Alberto G. Corona wrote: > > It is an observable fact. is obviously true that if you live in a > society where everyone take something as true , no matter what, then it is > true for one of its members, you, for exa

Re: Evolutionary logic Re: Some musings on is/ought and modal logic

2012-11-10 Thread Alberto G. Corona
:38 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: > >> It is not relativist post modernist, it is just the opposite >> > > That Lamarckism would be true if society held it to be true? If that's > not relativist post modernism, I don't know what is. > > Brent > > > &g

Re: Evolutionary logic Re: Some musings on is/ought and modal logic

2012-11-10 Thread Alberto G. Corona
l, it is making use of the internally accumulated evolutionary knowledge. It is what Konrad Lorenz suggested when he said that the Kantian a prioris of the human mind , the intuitive logical, existential and moral knowledge of the mind was harwired by evolution. 2012/11/10 Alberto G. Corona > S

Re: Evolutionary logic Re: Some musings on is/ought and modal logic

2012-11-10 Thread Alberto G. Corona
It is not relativist post modernist, it is just the opposite it is the discovery of an absolute universal truth starting from nothing, or if you like, from the most absolute relativism.. 2012/11/11 Alberto G. Corona > If All the rest is vaguely interesting for you, then it is no surpr

Re: Evolutionary logic Re: Some musings on is/ought and modal logic

2012-11-10 Thread Alberto G. Corona
g use of the internally accumulated evolutionary knowledge. 2012/11/10 Alberto G. Corona > Better written: > > > > 2012/11/10 Alberto G. Corona > > I always emphasize that there is a evolutionary logic, which unlike any >> other logic, is tautological,

Re: Evolutionary logic Re: Some musings on is/ought and modal logic

2012-11-10 Thread Alberto G. Corona
Better written: 2012/11/10 Alberto G. Corona > I always emphasize that there is a evolutionary logic, which unlike any > other logic, is tautological, that is assume no axioms beyond natural > selection (which is tautological per se) > > I will define here this logic as

Evolutionary logic Re: Some musings on is/ought and modal logic

2012-11-10 Thread Alberto G. Corona
I always emphasize that there is a evolutionary logic, which unlike any other logic, is tautological, that is assume no axioms beyond natural selection (which is tautological per se) I will define here this logic as clear as I can. Therefore evolutionary logic a good foundation for an absolute n

Re: WHY FREE WILL IS A BOGUS ISSUE

2012-11-06 Thread Alberto G. Corona
es and planets. This is the era of the false dichotomy between is and ought. The results are the never ending waves of totalitarianisms within Modernity. 2012/11/6 Alberto G. Corona > Roger: > > That´s right > > The modern notion of free will is a nominalist > <https://www

Re: Weyl on mathematics vs. reality

2012-11-03 Thread Alberto G. Corona
> > : Is there something that I could know to be the case, and which is not > expressed by a proposition that could be part of some scientific theory?" > > Yes . "I love my mother" is some knowledge that I know , and is not part of a scientific theory. We know reality because we live in the reality

Re: Predictive physiological anticipation preceding seemingly unpredictable stimuli: a meta-analysis

2012-10-25 Thread Alberto G. Corona
inference possible. To anticipate that a policeman knoking on the door will tell us bad news is not adivination, for example. 2012/10/25 Bruno Marchal : > > On 24 Oct 2012, at 19:31, Alberto G. Corona wrote: > > I dont believe that such genuine anticipation is possible, for a simple >

Re: Dennett and others on qualia

2012-10-25 Thread Alberto G. Corona
I agree. is there something that can be perceived that is not qualia? It´s less qualia the shape and location of a circle in ha sheet of paper than its color?.The fact that the position and radius of the circle can be measured and communicated does not change the fact that they produce a subject

Re: Predictive physiological anticipation preceding seemingly unpredictable stimuli: a meta-analysis

2012-10-24 Thread Alberto G. Corona
unconsciously. Most of the time even we are not conscious of how much information we gather. 2012/10/24 Alberto G. Corona > > > 2012/10/24 Bruno Marchal > >> >> On 24 Oct 2012, at 14:31, Stephen P. King wrote: >> >> http://www.frontiersin.org/**Perception_Sci

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