On 28 May 2013, at 19:27, Richard Ruquist wrote:
Bruno,
In my model which you have already said is not comp,
all the computational histories happen in a mindspace
and only one of them become physical.
Yes, that is what makes it into a non-comp theory, a bit like Bohm's
hidden variable
On 27 May 2013, at 20:44, Richard Ruquist wrote:
Bruno,
With MWI are some universes less probable than others.
Only relatively to some state, some computational histories are less
probable. It is open if there is a more stringer notion of probable
universe. Actually it is an open
On 28 May 2013, at 01:42, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
In a way, professor, Marchal, you seem to be on the side of Stephen
Wolfram, who once wrote about there being no need to ever do SETI,
because, if we wanted to know advanced Extra Terrestrial
technologies, it would be far, simpler to
On 26 May 2013, at 20:23, meekerdb wrote:
On 5/26/2013 1:18 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 26 May 2013, at 04:00, meekerdb wrote:
Whether or not it is recorded or extractable in this universe is
immaterial. If the universe is infinitely large or infinitely
varied, we each reappear an
On 27 May 2013, at 05:05, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
Understood, Jason. I became familiar with this digital universe
concept, first, through Hans Moravec, in Mind Children. I wonder how
possible it is to discover that we are part of an ancestor simulation?
By reasoning, taking the FPI
On 5/27/2013 1:01 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 26 May 2013, at 20:23, meekerdb wrote:
On 5/26/2013 1:18 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 26 May 2013, at 04:00, meekerdb wrote:
Whether or not it is recorded or extractable in this universe is
immaterial. If
the universe is infinitely
2013/5/27 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
On 5/27/2013 1:01 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 26 May 2013, at 20:23, meekerdb wrote:
On 5/26/2013 1:18 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 26 May 2013, at 04:00, meekerdb wrote:
Whether or not it is recorded or extractable in this universe is
On 5/27/2013 10:19 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
2013/5/27 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net
On 5/27/2013 1:01 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 26 May 2013, at 20:23, meekerdb wrote:
On 5/26/2013 1:18 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 26 May 2013, at 04:00,
2013/5/27 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
On 5/27/2013 10:19 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
2013/5/27 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
On 5/27/2013 1:01 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 26 May 2013, at 20:23, meekerdb wrote:
On 5/26/2013 1:18 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 26 May 2013, at
On 27 May 2013, at 19:10, meekerdb wrote:
On 5/27/2013 1:01 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 26 May 2013, at 20:23, meekerdb wrote:
On 5/26/2013 1:18 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 26 May 2013, at 04:00, meekerdb wrote:
Whether or not it is recorded or extractable in this universe
is
Bruno,
With MWI are some universes less probable than others.
I have difficulty understanding how a universe can be statistical.
I think I understand the frequency argument. But that does not make sense
either.
Richard
On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 2:36 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On
On 5/27/2013 11:16 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
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On 5/27/2013 10:19 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
2013/5/27 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net
On 5/27/2013 1:01 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
In a way, professor, Marchal, you seem to be on the side of Stephen
Wolfram, who once wrote about there being no need to ever do SETI,
because, if we wanted to know advanced Extra Terrestrial technologies,
it would be far, simpler to generate algorythems (sp) that contain
these unknown
On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 07:42:11PM -0400, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
In a way, professor, Marchal, you seem to be on the side of Stephen
Wolfram, who once wrote about there being no need to ever do SETI,
because, if we wanted to know advanced Extra Terrestrial
technologies, it would be far,
On 26 May 2013, at 04:00, meekerdb wrote:
Whether or not it is recorded or extractable in this universe is
immaterial. If the universe is infinitely large or infinitely
varied, we each reappear an infinite number of times. There are a
countably infinite number of programs, and for any
On 5/26/2013 1:18 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 26 May 2013, at 04:00, meekerdb wrote:
Whether or not it is recorded or extractable in this universe is
immaterial. If
the universe is infinitely large or infinitely varied, we each reappear an
infinite number of times. There are
Understood, Jason. I became familiar with this digital universe
concept, first, through Hans Moravec, in Mind Children. I wonder how
possible it is to discover that we are part of an ancestor simulation?
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On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 10:05 PM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
Understood, Jason. I became familiar with this digital universe concept,
first, through Hans Moravec, in Mind Children. I wonder how possible it is
to discover that we are part of an ancestor simulation?
If computationalism is true
On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 10:35 AM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
Interesting Jason,
My issue with the multi-generated clones created either by the actions of
a multiverse or the actions of hypercomputers, my concern is that, its such
a waste (in my opinion) that a Jason who belongs to an
On 5/25/2013 11:03 AM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 10:35 AM, spudboy...@aol.com
mailto:spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
Interesting Jason,
My issue with the multi-generated clones created either by the actions of a
multiverse or the actions of hypercomputers, my concern
Citeren meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net:
On 5/23/2013 5:20 PM, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote:
Citeren meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net:
On 5/23/2013 12:51 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
2013/5/23 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net
On 5/23/2013 11:27 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
Citeren meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net:
On 5/23/2013 4:31 PM, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote:
Citeren meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net:
On 5/23/2013 7:07 AM, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote:
Citeren Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be:
On 23 May 2013, at 00:05, meekerdb wrote:
On 5/22/2013 2:49 PM,
Citeren meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net:
On 5/23/2013 4:31 PM, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote:
Citeren meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net:
On 5/23/2013 7:07 AM, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote:
Citeren Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be:
On 23 May 2013, at 00:05, meekerdb wrote:
On 5/22/2013 2:49 PM,
Brent's observation, that Vilenkin and Gaurriga's indicate that their eternal
inflation (Guth and Linde too?) being limited, says that the MWI versions of
our universe something like 10^90, or was it 10^150 in Vilenkin's Many World's
( book 2006, Vilenkin used both exponentials). That is a
On 24 May 2013, at 02:20, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote:
Citeren meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net:
On 5/23/2013 12:51 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
2013/5/23 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net
On 5/23/2013 11:27 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
2013/5/23 meekerdb
On 23 May 2013, at 00:05, meekerdb wrote:
On 5/22/2013 2:49 PM, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote:
Thought experiment: Suppose that someone has never experienced
touching hot objects before. As long as this person does not find
out that touching hot objects is painful, either by touching hot
On 23 May 2013, at 01:37, Russell Standish wrote:
On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 05:15:45PM -0400, John Mikes wrote:
Russell: if I may I inject some remarks ([?])into your post-text
John M
[?] Done on a LIVING person. Your NDE maye true, maybe not.
[?] and what on earth has that to do with
Citeren Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be:
On 23 May 2013, at 00:05, meekerdb wrote:
On 5/22/2013 2:49 PM, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote:
Thought experiment: Suppose that someone has never experienced
touching hot objects before. As long as this person does not find
out that touching hot objects
On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 4:57 PM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
**
So, Jason,by this reasoning, a sufficiently advanced technology, then, in
indistinguisable from Resurrection.
If used for such purposes. Even if technology is not used for the explicit
purpose of resurrection, say it is only used
Interesting Jason,
My issue with the multi-generated clones created either by the actions of a
multiverse or the actions of hypercomputers, my concern is that, its such a
waste (in my opinion) that a Jason who belongs to an identical Earth, but
humans all have elephant tricks instead of
On 5/23/2013 7:07 AM, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote:
Citeren Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be:
On 23 May 2013, at 00:05, meekerdb wrote:
On 5/22/2013 2:49 PM, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote:
Thought experiment: Suppose that someone has never experienced touching hot objects
before. As long as this person
On 5/23/2013 11:27 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
2013/5/23 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net
On 5/23/2013 7:07 AM, smi...@zonnet.nl mailto:smi...@zonnet.nl wrote:
Citeren Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be:
On 23 May 2013,
2013/5/23 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
On 5/23/2013 11:27 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
2013/5/23 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
On 5/23/2013 7:07 AM, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote:
Citeren Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be:
On 23 May 2013, at 00:05, meekerdb wrote:
On 5/22/2013 2:49 PM,
On 5/23/2013 12:51 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
2013/5/23 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net
On 5/23/2013 11:27 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
2013/5/23 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net
On 5/23/2013 7:07 AM, smi...@zonnet.nl
Citeren meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net:
On 5/23/2013 7:07 AM, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote:
Citeren Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be:
On 23 May 2013, at 00:05, meekerdb wrote:
On 5/22/2013 2:49 PM, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote:
Thought experiment: Suppose that someone has never experienced
touching
Citeren meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net:
On 5/23/2013 12:51 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
2013/5/23 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net
On 5/23/2013 11:27 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
2013/5/23 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net
On
On 5/23/2013 5:20 PM, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote:
Citeren meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net:
On 5/23/2013 12:51 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
2013/5/23 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net
On 5/23/2013 11:27 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
2013/5/23 meekerdb
On 5/23/2013 4:31 PM, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote:
Citeren meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net:
On 5/23/2013 7:07 AM, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote:
Citeren Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be:
On 23 May 2013, at 00:05, meekerdb wrote:
On 5/22/2013 2:49 PM, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote:
Thought experiment: Suppose
And HOW do you know all that?
On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 6:13 PM, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote:
If you feel pain then that feeling is directly related to the deaths of
the creatures who didn't become your ancestors because of a lack of feeling
for that same pain.
So, you are actually experiencing the
Russell: if I may I inject some remarks ([?])into your post-text
John M
On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 9:01 PM, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.auwrote:
My guess is that his primary concern is to develop the medical
technology to resuscitate patients in critical conditions - ie by
lowering the
Thought experiment: Suppose that someone has never experienced touching
hot objects before. As long as this person does not find out that
touching hot objects is painful, either by touching hot objects himself
or by being told that it is painful, he will be in a superposition of
two sectors of
On 5/22/2013 2:49 PM, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote:
Thought experiment: Suppose that someone has never experienced touching hot objects
before. As long as this person does not find out that touching hot objects is painful,
either by touching hot objects himself or by being told that it is painful, he
On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 05:15:45PM -0400, John Mikes wrote:
Russell: if I may I inject some remarks ([?])into your post-text
John M
[?] Done on a LIVING person. Your NDE maye true, maybe not.
[?] and what on earth has that to do with NDE? Did th experimentor revive
the dead patient
Russell and Richard:
do you indeed MEAN those conditions recalled after crises as NEAR DEATH?
Who knows what DEATH feels like? (- if it feels at all). Death is
a-temporal in the sense we use it, also a-spatial, so nothing can be near
it in either sense.
The dissolution of the 'living' complexity
Indeed I have had such an experience with a deceased person.
Richard
On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 4:14 PM, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote:
Russell and Richard:
do you indeed MEAN those conditions recalled after crises as NEAR DEATH?
Who knows what DEATH feels like? (- if it feels at all).
If you feel pain then that feeling is directly related to the deaths of
the creatures who didn't become your ancestors because of a lack of
feeling for that same pain.
So, you are actually experiencing the deaths of these creatures.
Saibal
Citeren John Mikes jami...@gmail.com:
Russell and
You could be correct that Parnia's study is buried in double-talk. Usually if
scientists reach a dead-end, during testing they abandon the thesis. If what he
is doing, is little more, then looking for unicorns, then yes, its a dead end
(pun?) and we will see in November.
-Original
My guess is that his primary concern is to develop the medical
technology to resuscitate patients in critical conditions - ie by
lowering the temperatue of the brain to prevent irreversible brain
damage whilst allowing sufficient time for the heart damage to be
repaired, etc. This is all a
On 18 May 2013, at 19:08, Johnathan Corgan wrote:
On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 4:23 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
wrote:
On 17 May 2013, at 22:52, Johnathan Corgan wrote:
A common occurrence reported by users of Salvia Divinorum is that
of having lived an entire alternate life in the
On 18 May 2013, at 13:31, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
Why people do not include the original link in their mails is
something I can not understand
This is the article where the text was extracted:
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/?p=155740
The most interesting thing is at the end:
It
On Fri, May 17, 2013 Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote:
The documented fact that people have had near death experiences after
death [...]
Huh? If its after death then they are not nearly dead they are completely
dead. The fact that sometimes the brain generates hallucinations when it
In a message dated 5/17/2013 6:02:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
li...@hpcoders.com.au writes:
Where's your evidence of this happening? You're not just claiming that
people have been resuscitated from a brain dead state, but that they
are conscious as well. Reliable evidence of this would be
On 5/19/2013 3:06 PM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
What the study does incurr in the AWARE study, is the method of planting messages in
emergency rooms in obscure places, to see if the patient is able to detect the message?
If some do, then there are two options. One is chicanery on the part of
In a message dated 5/19/2013 1:36:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
johnkcl...@gmail.com writes:
It's odd that, although it should be easy to show if it exists, it has
never been conclusively demonstrated that while out of the body anybody has
gained any information about anything that they
In a message dated 5/19/2013 6:19:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
meeke...@verizon.net writes:
Since the study has been going on five years, and there has been no leak
of a positive result, I expect that there are no positive results to report.
I find it hard to imagine that an amazing
On 5/19/2013 3:41 PM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 5/19/2013 6:19:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
meeke...@verizon.net writes:
Since the study has been going on five years, and there has been no leak of
a
positive result, I expect that there are no positive results to
On 17 May 2013, at 17:33, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
2013/5/17 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
On 17 May 2013, at 12:07, Russell Standish wrote:
On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 05:39:50AM -0400, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Art Funkhouser
The documented fact that people have had near death
experiences
On 17 May 2013, at 22:52, Johnathan Corgan wrote:
On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 7:45 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
wrote:
Salvia and DMT seem to have NDE like effects
A common occurrence reported by users of Salvia Divinorum is that of
having lived an entire alternate life in the few
Why people do not include the original link in their mails is something I
can not understand
This is the article where the text was extracted:
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/?p=155740
The most interesting thing is at the end:
It reports a pacient resucitated after 40 minutes from a cooling
Hello,
Good point, but it depends on your level of expectation. If you demand a 5-star
hotel, even though, all that can be afforded is a 3-star, then we have to do
the best we can with what we've got, perhaps until things get better? But most
people do ok with three-star, come to think of it.
On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 4:23 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 17 May 2013, at 22:52, Johnathan Corgan wrote:
A common occurrence reported by users of Salvia Divinorum is that of
having lived an entire alternate life in the few minutes of intoxication,
and even being surprised
On 5/18/2013 4:31 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
traditional wishdom
A freudian typo?
Brent
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A typo like many others In my side ;) What is embarrassing for me is that
I´m incapable to see them even if I check the writing.
I beg your pardon.
2013/5/18 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
On 5/18/2013 4:31 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
traditional wishdom
A freudian typo?
Brent
--
On 5/18/2013 12:33 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
A typo like many others In my side ;) What is embarrassing for me is that I´m incapable
to see them even if I check the writing.
I beg your pardon.
No need for pardon. I think it's an excellent neologism with broad application.
wishdom: n.
On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 05:39:50AM -0400, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Art Funkhouser
The documented fact that people have had near death
experiences after death, after electrical activity in the brain
ceases suggests to me at least that the mind does not
need the brain to function.
On 17 May 2013, at 12:07, Russell Standish wrote:
On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 05:39:50AM -0400, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Art Funkhouser
The documented fact that people have had near death
experiences after death, after electrical activity in the brain
ceases suggests to me at least that the mind
2013/5/17 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
On 17 May 2013, at 12:07, Russell Standish wrote:
On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 05:39:50AM -0400, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Art Funkhouser
The documented fact that people have had near death
experiences after death, after electrical activity in the
On 5/17/2013 2:39 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
The documented fact that people have had near death
experiences after death, after electrical activity in the brain
ceases
There are no such documented facts. First, EKG's used to monitor brain activity cannot
detect neural activity deep in the
On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 12:03 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 5/17/2013 2:39 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
The documented fact that people have had near death
experiences after death, after electrical activity in the brain
ceases
There are no such documented facts. First, EKG's
On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 7:45 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
Salvia and DMT seem to have NDE like effects
A common occurrence reported by users of Salvia Divinorum is that of having
lived an entire alternate life in the few minutes of intoxication, and even
being surprised and
So, Jason,by this reasoning, a sufficiently advanced technology, then, in
indistinguisable from Resurrection. I mention this because I have discussed
tech resurrection, as, at least, an intellectual phenomenon, over at the
Kurzweil forum. There is an enthusiast for technologically based
Who would want to be resurrected into this hell hole?
clementine
On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 5:57 PM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
**
So, Jason,by this reasoning, a sufficiently advanced technology, then, in
indistinguisable from Resurrection. I mention this because I have discussed
tech
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