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Hi Alberto G. Corona
IMHO the bottom line revolves around the problem of solipsism,
which is that we cannot prove that other people or objects have minds,
we can only say at most that they appear to have minds.
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is as if rather than is.
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Hi Craig Weinberg
The subjective aspect (Firstness), some of which apparently each twin has, is
not shareable, only descriptions of it (Thirdness) are shareable.
Firstness.
What is shareable is Thirdness. What cannot be shared is Firstness.
Thirdness is the description of
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Consciousness had to arise before language.
Apes are conscious.
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They can only disagree about experiences that are spoken.
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Hi Craig Weinberg
There are three things:
1) The experiences of each twin, which may be the same or differ (we'll never
know).
2) What they describe or interpret of their experiences in words.
3) They may the same experience but describe it differently.
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. The experience of religion is called
faith, what we can share is called beliefs. So we can truly know
things about religion that we can only partly explain or prove.
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Intelligence is the ability to make decisions without outside help.
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of that
private experience.
Proveable yes or no.
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Hi meekerdb
Only you can know if you actually have intelligence,
although you can appear to have intelligence (as if).
You can be tested for it.
Thus comp is not different from us, or at least it has the same
limitations.
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above.
In the meeting place of the above and the below
there exists, analogous to Maxwell's Demon, the active agent
called the self. The self makes sense of sensual data and
stores that in memory. We have learned something.
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Hi Platonist Guitar Cowboy
The definition of beauty that I like is that
beauty is unity in diversity.
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Hi Stathis,
The separation you missed is that mind and consciousness
are subjective entities(not shareable), while computations
are objective (shareable).
Nature put a firewall between these so we don't get them confused.
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Hi meekerdb
We don't know, nor can we ever know for certain, that
man has created an AGI, because actual intelligence is
subjective, so only the AGI itself can know if it is truly
intelligent. The best we can do is test it to see
if it acts as if it has intelligence.
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Hi Richard Ruquist
Nature has put a firewall between subjective entities such as monads
and objective entities such as BECs or the manifolds.
When I said attached I should have said associated to.
There's no physical, only logical connections.
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already know and either identifies it as such or modifies it to
another, newly invented or associated description. If you
see two apples, it then calls the image two apples.
Thirdness is what you then call it and can express to others.
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Hi meekerdb
IMHO self is an active agent, something like Maxwell's Demon,
that can intelligently sort raw experiences into meaningful bins, such
as Kant's categories, thus giving them some meaning.
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Hi meekerdb
1) If you do not have subjective experience, you are dead.
So subjectivity is necessary for evolution.
2) The self cannot be an illusion, for it is the perceiver.
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free will--intelligence
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ROGER: Hi Bruno Marchal and Stathis,
1. Only entities in spacetime physically exist, and thus can be
measured and proven.
BRUNO: Too much vague to me. I am OK, and I am not OK, for different
reasonable intepretations of what you say here.
I doubt something in physics can be proved
Hi Stathis Papaioannou
You can be tested for intelligence, but the
enduring solipsist problem shows that you cannot
be tested for consciousness. At least nobody seems to have
come up with such a test.
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Hi Stathis Papaioannou
Only the computation could know that.
We can only know our own minds.
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What makes you think it is false ?
Please be specific.
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What
of idealism.
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Hi Richard Ruquist
Here you go again. Monads are basically ideas.
The BECs are physical. No physical connection is possible
between ideas and things.
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a formality.
So neither space and time nor spacetime
physically exist, and can't appear as monads.
That being so, the universe consists only
of monads in Leibniz's philosophy, an infinite
overlay of dots of true reality.
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(ie they both see a bluebird
or the number 4848475) they can publicly check their personal experiences.
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with).
For fight or flight among higher animals, the animal in an encounter
has to ask itself, if only visually:
1. Is it dangerous ?
2. Is it bigger than I am ?
3. Can it run faster than I can ?
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Hi Bruno Marchal
I was thinking of, say, a gnat, the intelligence
perhaps being yes or no in favor of survival.
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You would have to set up a carefully selected
intelligence test to test the intelligence of an AIG.
Would it then really have intelligence ?
I don't think so. You'd have to cheat with
pre-supplied answers.
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Cool. I just signed up at tumblr previously.
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a materialist and simply ignore
the incompatibility of interactions between the nonphysical
mind and the physical brain.
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and there are always
distortions. It's sometimes called the dream state
or the collective unconscious. I believe that
myth and story are integral parts of it.
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Hi Craig Weinberg
A whole man has a monad called, let's say, John Doe.
That's the unchanging identity of his soul= monad.
Technically a man's soul is called a spirit by L,
but I just use soul to avoid confusion.
Within John's monad=soul is a homunculus
that has its own homunculus mind that
signs of life than nature shows you.
No magic involved. Bounce a ball, eat a cake, etc.
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, each of which
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data set from a unique perspective.
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Only the path is warped. If there's anything in it, it
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Hi Evgenii Rudnyi
The following components are inextricably mixed:
life, consciousness, free will, intelligence
you can't have one without the others,
and (or because) they're all nonphysical, all subjective.
So only the computer can know for sure if it
has any of these.
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, must therefore be wrong.[8]
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Free Will-- You need enough freedom to make a choice of your own.
Or apparently of your own choice.
Strictly speaking, I prefer the term self-determination
meaning by anything inside your skin. That's the self.
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Hi Richard Ruquist
He didn't in so many words, you have to study his philosophy.
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So what's your problem ?
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I have no money on this issue. I'd be very happy
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intelligence, free will, consciousness or life.
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, the self is a monad. Materialism does not
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of intelligence.
QED
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locally flow backwards.
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I don't think he meant that spacetime physically exists.
Spacetime is a formalism. Formalisms don't physically exist.
In fact nothing theoretical physically exists.
The pythagorean theorem doesn't physically exist.
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. In
the same way neither substance nor attribute can enter from without into a
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intelligence. It is not
general intelligence.We have also a focused curiosity but it is not so narrow.?
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Hi Evgenii Rudnyi
The following components are inextricably mixed:
life, consciousness
monad must be the whole man.
Which is indicated by his monads' rating as being a soul (here
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ROGER:
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Not all simulations that work in Platonia can work
down here in Contingia.
BRUNO: I doubt this.
ROGER: Things do not change in Platonia but they do on earth.
(previously) For example, time in
principle can flow backward up there but it can not
flow
(as they supposedly do) that
are unpredictable. But whether this is truly free
is the big question. Perhaps it may only
depend on your definition of freedom.
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Hi Bruno Marchal
Life is whatever operates autonomously,
not following any rules, laws, or programs.
Thus a Turing machine cannot be part of
a live creature. Even if it reprograms itself, it
must be constrained by the computer language
and operating system.
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Hi Craig Weinberg
I would begin to believe that that life-game
is conscious if there is some sort of shepherding
done by a shepherd. A watcher and director.
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There's no proof, only a very reasonable expectation.
Science could not work if things happened for no reason.
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I should stay away from discussing bacteria. Brownian motion and
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That's exactly the point. Intelligence can't
be intelligent if it's defined.
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ROGER: if you could tell me how to determine if a computer has intelligence
JOHN: The same way I determine if one of my fellow human beings is intelligent,
if he beats me at a intellectual task then he's intelligent,
in fact he's more intelligent than I am
Hi John Clark
This is supposed to be a scientific discussion.
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that reproduces
more creation algorithms.
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be alive or not be
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or ordered output, which may be alive or not be
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Intelligence in my machine is pure Secondness.
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act as long as it obeys reason. I'm still trying to
figure this out. The choice is made cooperatively,
by three parties, platonically, in secondness by
the All (reason) comparing thirdness with firstness.
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I think that comp is a form of scientific idealism.
I don't know exactly what that means, but
there are clues at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idealism#Idealism_in_the_philosophy_of_science
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Contempt prior to investigation is not a scientific attitude.
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I agree.
I was wrong about autopoesis. It is
a mind-boggling definition of life,
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I think heredity also plays a role.
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Hi Terren Suydam
You needn't agree with me. I respect that.
It wasn't really a thought process, I
just couldn't find anything to hold on to,
something that works, and I am a pragmatist.
Hence my use of the term mind-boggling.
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of that
stuff. Consciousness is created from Platonia,
probably more form philosophy than math.
After some study, it turns out that
Leibniz's substances are not based on
physical materials but on their forms.
Just like Plato except that there are an
infinite types of materials.
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Hi Craig Weinberg
You said,
Computation is an overly simplified emergent property of sense.
If you could have computation without sense, then there would be no
consciousness.
That sounds potent, I'm but not sure what it means.
Could you expand on it a little ?
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On 10/16/2012 7:48 AM, Roger
is made now.
There seems to be a connection but I can't express what it is.
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By sense do you mean Firstness, Secondness or Thirdness?
Or all three as a process ?
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Hi meekerdb
1p = Firstness
3p = Thirdness
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and no free will. In short,
they have no self. Instead, they are slaved to a computer
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Nothing that is in spacetime can think.
Thinking or reasoning is a property of mind,
or intelligence, which is outside of spacetime.
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Solipsism is a property of 1p= Firstness = subjectivity
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From: Alberto G. Corona
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Time: 2012-10-16
Hi Bruno Marchal
My problem with autopoesis is that it only deals with 3p
(the outer, objective world) but not with 1p (the inner,
subjective world).
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
10/17/2012
Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen
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, “this”.Reference to a correlate (by its
relate).Essentially dyadic (the relate and the correlate).
Thirdness.[13]Representation, mediation.Habits, laws, necessity.Generality,
continuity, all.Reference to an interpretant*.Essentially triadic (sign,
object, interpretant*).
Roger Clough, rclo
15, 2012 at 11:45:47AM -0400, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Terren Suydam
You needn't agree with me. I respect that.
It wasn't really a thought process, I
just couldn't find anything to hold on to,
something that works, and I am a pragmatist.
Hence my use of the term mind-boggling.
Roger
that it is in intense pain).
My guess is that this is the solipsism issue, to which I would say that if it
has no mind, it cannot converse with you,
which would be a test for solipsism,-- which I just now found in typing the
first part of this sentence.
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
10/17/2012
Hi Bruno Marchal
IMHO all life must have some degree of consciousness
or it cannot perceive its environment.
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
10/17/2012
Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen
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From: Bruno Marchal
of an
interpretive process or a content in which an interpretive relation culminates,
though this product or content may itself be an act, a state of
agitation, a conduct, etc. Such is what is summed up in saying that
the sign stands for the object to the interpretant.
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
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is objective)
or life which would apply to comp and it looks like Peirce's categories
and also self-organizing systems. This would be sumulated life.
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
10/18/2012
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