ROGER: > 2) I can be aware of having experiences that occur in a specific
temporal order only if I perceive
> something permanent by reference to which I can determine their
> temporal order. (premise)
RUSSELL: What motivates this premise?
ROGER: > The permanent entity could
Hi Bruno Marchal
1) OK, so particles don't need a probe to be created from the wave ?
What's different about consciousness ?
2) If comp or materialism could work, I'd be happy.
But they'd have to be able to handle the self specifically,
not just imply it.
Roger Clough,
Hi Bruno Marchal
Anything that the brain does is or could be experience.
For computers, experience can only be simulated because
experience = self + qualia
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Hi Bruno Marchal
I follow leibniz's idealism, not e. So
the existing universe is just as it is, a
"well founded phenomenon." I can
stub my toe and measure the speed of light.
The experiment that proves my
consciousness-- to me at least--
is that I know that I know.
Rog
Hi Bruno Marchal
The simulated experience is not a real experience.
OK ?
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Hi Craig Weinberg
No, the computer can simulate knowledge by description
but not knowledge by acquaintance that you could experience.
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Hi Russell Standish
I agree.
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Hi Stathis Papaioannou
OK, but I think you are still left with the "I".
"I doubted' still means there's an I present.
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Hi Stephen P. King
How can you know that the simulation is exact ?
Solipsim prevents that.
And who or what experiences the computer output ?
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ception of an event.
The raw experience is Firstness
The synthezation and unification of that Firstness
is called 2nd-ness ansd 3rd-ness by Peirce.
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would not have a subjective
phenomenology.
It is worth noting that a necessary condition for the possibility of
philosophical zombies is that
there be no specific part or parts of the brain that directly give rise to
qualia—the zombie can only
exist if subjective consciousness is causally separate
that perform computations on inputs to give outputs, so
brains are physical
devices with neural substrate that perform computations on inputs which produce
behaviours."
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appropriate way to understand the mind.
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Hi meekerdb
Please explain why the criticism of Dennett is wrong.
This is another drive-by shooting of yours.
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Hi meekerdb
Quanta do exist, and can be measured,
but by definition they can only be experienced as qualia,
(another word for experience) which can't be measured.
Quanta are within spacetime, qualia are beyond spacetime.
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"Forever is a
Hi Richard,
Is there some way, such as reducing the dimensions of
strings to zero, that one can transverse from the world
of extension (the physical world) to that of inextended
experience or theory?
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Hi Brent,
What happens -- or is it even possible -- to
collapse the dimensions down to one (which I
conjecture might be time), or zero (Platonia or mind).
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s, so brains are
physical devices with neural substrate that perform computations on inputs
which produce behaviours"
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Hi Stephen P. King
Wow ! This connects up with what I have been speculating,
namely that comp or at least some sort of calculation,
can, if not recreate the brainmind, at least simulate what it does.
I need to study more about your theory.
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10/26/2012
ndles and sheaf
transform groups on n-genus topological manifolds and so on
Where are all of the sparticles and bosinos that are supposed to
exist if SUSY is correct? Occam's razor keeps me from believing in them...
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Stephen
ROGER: Unlike Aristotle, Leibniz's monads do
the class of computations that it belongs
to such that any incomplete string has a completion in the collections
of others like it. This is like an error correction or compression
mechanism.
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Stephen
ROGER: For what it's worth--- like Mach's inertia, each monad
Hi Richard Ruquist
Thank you, but monads are not extended in space,
they are mental and so inextended.
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Hi Richard Ruquist
Yes, the strings themselves are extended, but
theoretical strings (string theory itself) are not.
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Hi Bruno Marchal
Yes, my error, quanta are in spacetime too.
I'm still adjusting to some of these concepts.
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If things go as expected, meaning that the power goes off,
I may be offline for a couple of days. Washington DC is
just about to be hit by a hurricane.
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like ideas, they can be
in the minds of individual homunculi in individual monads,
but that doesn't sound satisfactoriy to me.
Not universakl enough.
My best guess for now is that the supreme monad (the One) undoubtedly
somehow possesses the numbers.
Hurricane coming.
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each head. Numbers would
no doubt be the same, both everywhere and
in individual minds at times.
So numbers are universal and can be treated
mathematically as always.
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small things.
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Hi meekerdb
How about social justice for zombies ?
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Hi Bruno Marchal
OK, let's suppose that the numbers can be considered as ideas
in the mind of the One or the Supreme monad, which
is the monad for the universe. Then the universe
would be the corporeal body. Or something like that.
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Hi Bruno Marchal
I think you're right. Anyway, I've since decided that the numbers
have to be simply a priori. Like the pre-established (a priori) Harmony.
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Hi Evgenii Rudnyi
Science cannot give us the absolute truth because
the foundation on which science rests is contingent.
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The storm has passed and all is well.
Luckily Rockville was hardly affected by the storm.
My electric power never even went out.
I hope everybody else is OK also.
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wrong, but it opens the door
to new (and now perfectly logical) scientific explanations
for unexplained phenomena such as gravity and the
interactions between brain and mind.
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ens the door to
previously unexplainable phenomena such as gravity.
Another way to say this is that, although they may
appear to be a posteriori (in the world), all causes
are actually theoretical (a priori). Numbers being
a priori (given), this gives a completely new
solidity to computationalism.
tions themselves appear "as if" they
would in Newton's physics.
Hmmm. I've never considered that there might be
comparable submonads in Plato's realm.
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verse could not access
(the mind of) ours ? Would this be a problem for multiverse
theories ?
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ding),
it would not seem unreasonable to assign them anthromorphically
to cosmic mind such as the One or the supreme monad.
I have not studied these much and need to look further into it
as I cannot understand anything myselof without
the additional category of "examples" :-).
Roger
Hi meekerdb
I think the = sign allows a concept to be predicated, such
as 2 = 1+1 where 1+1 is the predicate. A concept
and a predicate form a proposition, and you need
a proposition to judge whether something is true or false.
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s to
be the sum of those in e). This is suggestive again of
Bohm or holography.
etc. etc. etc.
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Thanks. Then the numbers are noit separate but
included in the truth. My feeling is that the truth
then may be the truth(s) of information theory.
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Hi Bruno,
Could it not be that there is nothing especially sacred
about the natural numbers, that these are, as Hobbes
put it regarding words, "but counterfeit tokens" ?
And the real controlling force which uses them is
information theory ? That is to say, intelligence.
Roger Cl
be
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Hi Stephen P. King et al,
For what it's worth, in the philosophy of mathematics,
numbers are considered as static entities (they don't change).
Instead, change is a property of geometry. I suppose
because angles can change.
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ROGER:
> Hi Bruno Marchal
>
> 1) Yes, numbers float in a sea of universal mind (the One).
BRUNO: The ONE is much more than the universal mind, as it is where the
universal minds compete, perhaps before eventually recognizing
themselves and reuniting, or fusing, and coming back t
laughter
001 = thunder or anger
100 = mountain or halting
etc. so that snippets of binary sequences can have meaning.
Another way of stating this is that perhaps the only the binary 0 and 1
may be used to construct ideas. But the other numbers can
be expressed in binary form.
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omputation ?
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arithmetic truth pass the 1p test ?
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on real signals (in the contingent world).
That would be a pragmatic or contingent truth.
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Hi Bruno Marchal
Yes, and keep in mind that there may be more than
one theory that gives the same results in the form of data.
So in this world, the truth must lie in the data, which is unique,
and not the theory, which may not be unique.
In this world, data is king.
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Hi Bruno Marchal
Sorry, I misconstrued the river/man analogy. Heraclitus
said instead that a man cannot stand in the same river twice
(or even from moment to moment). It's just a statement
of contingency.
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Hi Bruno Marchal
All theories are based on the a priori but
can only give contingent results (this world
results).
However, arithmetic is not a theory, it is
arithmetical (permanent, necessary, logical) truth.
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iness and logical
inconsistency
of propositions which deny them. Truths of fact have their sufficient reason in
being more perfect than propositions which deny them."
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me. But it is not those descriptors.
There are two types of knowledge:
knowledge by description (you know who I am in words, by my descriptors).
knowledge by acquaintance (you have actually met me).
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harmony. By the hand of God.
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ntradicted, may not be always true
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Hi Stephen P. King
Bertrand Russell was a superb logician but he was not
infallible with regard to metaphysics. He called Leibniz's
metaphysics "an enchanted land" and confessed that
he hadn't a clue to what the meaning of pragmatism is.
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Hi Stephen P. King
The Platonic Realm doesn't exactly exist, because
it is non-contradictory truth beyond spacetime.
It is the a priori, the One, from which all things
come. Sometimes I think of it as Cosmic Mind,
Universal Intelligence, which has the attributes of God.
Roger Clough,
Hi Stephen P. King
1 + 1 =2 is a necessary truth, not a fact. It is always true.
A priori. So there are necessary truths such as arithmetical truths
which were here before the contingent world of facts was created.
And will always be.
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"Forev
Hi Stephen P. King
The platonic realm is nothing.
Intelligence is nothing.
Life itself is nothing.
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Hi Stephen P. King
The properties of spacetime things are what can be measured (ie facts).
The properties of beyond spacetime things are propositions that can't be
contradicted (necessary truths).
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Hi Stephen P. King
Those are psychological versions of numbers etc,.
The innate properties are arithmetical.
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perhaps
some day a proof against it may be found.
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metic or had to exist before man or
the Big Bang woujld not have worked.
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Hi Stephen,
'
Yes, Aristotle's substances and their properties do not change with time.
But Leibniz's do very rapidly. And they are individual to each substance,
meaning to each monad (from his aspect). The actual properties are
collective data of the universe.
Rog
Hi meekerdb
There are all kinds of "truth", depending on which you have faith in or
which seems most appropriate. There's arithmetical truth, necessary
truth, contingent truth, pragmatic truth, truth by correspondence,
truth by coherency the list is long.
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know "now " or reality
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acquaintance.
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All that we can know of reality is in the experience of "now."
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Recei
is.
Prayer teaches this.
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necessary and contingent
truths, subjective and objective truths, truths by
correspondence, or through coherency, pragmatic
truth, eye witness truth, and so forth. In the end, one accepts
the truth he has the most faith in. So faith
again rules.
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Hi Bruno Marchal
3-view is descriptive truth, 1-view truth is truth by acquaintance.
Descriptive truth is similar to your knowing about Bertrand Russell.
Or to know that in principle 1+1 =2.
Truth by acquaintance is that you have met Bertrand Russell.
Or you accept that 1 +1 = 2.
Roger
river (such as the mississippi),
he meant that the river (whatever river) would not
be the same, even a movie would show visually that it has changed.
And force, velocity, temperature-- none of these remains constant,
as the appropriate sensors would show.
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absurdity.
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Or you accept that 1 +1 = 2.
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are invented, but arithmetic is not,
arithmetic is discovered. It is most certainly a priori.
On 03 Nov 2012, at 12:34, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Bruno Marchal
All theories are based on the a priori but
can only give contingent results (this world
results).
Hmm OK
he variety and number of possible copntradictions
is possibly vast. Shades of Nietzsche ! Tell me it isn't so !
I guess that's the same as saying that you can never be sure
of contingency either. I need to lie down for a while. This
is beginning to look like existentialism.
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Hi Bruno Marchal
Is sigma_6 truth truth with only a 6 sigma possibility of error ?
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Isn't strong AI just an assumption ?
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Hi Stephen,
I wouldn't be too hard on Russell, at least as far as logic goes.
He had no way of knowing of Godel's proof. And Whitehead had
joined him in the principia project. Certainly two of the brightest
minds that ever lived.
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Hi Craig Weinberg
What they say about economists is also
appropriate to say about philosophers:
"If all of the philosophers in the world were laid
end to end, they'd never come to a conclusion."
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Science is based on and produces facts.
I don't think you would want to call these facts opinions
unless they referred to global warming.
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Hi Stephen P. King
Do you know of any comp outputs that we could
examine ? I myself worship data.
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important,
as well as immediate context.
Note that this follows Kant's definitions of existence:
consisting of two joined factors: time for when an event
occurs, and space (context) for what happens. By
themselves neither one is a substance.
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&qu
Hi Stephen P. King
A truth exists dependent only on the One, who
creates all truth. But not on other minds:
E=mc^2 before man arrived, from the very getgo (and before),
and will remain after man.
Truth is foreign to us.
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11/5/2012
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"apperceptions", but I have not completely figured these out.
The bottom line is that the apperceptions are what we
"normally" see and identify of as actual in the usual sense.
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Hi Craig Weinberg
I must be a philosopher then, for everything seems to be
a work in progress, if not immediately then afterwards.
But I am for the truth and sometimes, temporarily, seem
to have found it.
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Hi Stephen P. King
That might be what I think Bruno referred to as 6 sigma truth,
namely truth that has a probability within std dev of 6 sigma of being true.
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Hi Stephen P. King
Hmmm. I suppose there might be a multiple persons
understanding, but I am having enough problems right
now with one person up against the horrors of
Nietzsche's ghost.
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
11/5/2012
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Hi Stephen P. King
But the course of true love never did run smooth :-)
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
11/5/2012
"Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen
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Hi meekerdb
The dilemma is that 1p is subjective and hence solipsistic, but when spoken
about it is
objective (3p, 2p; he, or you).
And as far as dualisms go, the only important one is subjective/objective.
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
11/5/2012
"Forever is a long
Hi Richard Ruquist
Engineering advantages ? A decade before the Wright brothers
flew their airplane, people would have said, "You're going to do WHAT ?"
Many if not all innovations like that seem at present to be crazy
or impossible.
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
11/5/
Hi Richard Ruquist
Indeed, dualism is -- has to be-- science fiction.
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
11/5/2012
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