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You're welcome ED.  I don't always explain properly myself either.  Besides there is not always consistency between my words and volatile energies.  Mayka     --- On Fri, 5/11/10, ED wrote: From: ED Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Da

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Mayka, I am sorry about that. The contents and the intent of my questions are not clearly stated, and so I withdraw the questions. I am quite certain this issue will raise its head again in the near future. --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Maria Lopez wrote: > > ED: > > Wouldn't be mo

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either.   Mayka   --- On Thu, 4/11/10, ED wrote: From: ED Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, 4 November, 2010, 15:46   --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Maria Lopez wrote: > Thanks for clarification Chris. Definetely in t

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--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Maria Lopez wrote: > Thanks for clarification Chris. Definetely in that respect all in me too is a massive illusion. --M M, is that how you actually experience yourself or is it a conception or an act of faith? --E > I meant my idea of myself, especia

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Thanks for clarification Chris. Definetely in that respect all in me too is a massive illusion. --- On Thu, 4/11/10, Chris Austin-Lane wrote: From: Chris Austin-Lane Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, 4 November, 2010, 10:03

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ane * wrote: > > > From: ChrisAustinLane > Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question > To: "Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com" > Cc: "Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com" > Date: Thursday, 4 November, 2010, 0:09 > > > > Aren't we all! > > Tha

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I'm not an illusion.  The only thing that is an illusion is the nonsense in me. --- On Thu, 4/11/10, ChrisAustinLane wrote: From: ChrisAustinLane Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question To: "Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com" Cc: "Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com" D

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Anthony, For once I agree with you! …Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Wu Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 6:18 AM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Zen] Questions, questions, question Bill Smart himself is also

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1963.org wrote: > > From: billsm...@hhs1963.org > Subject: RE: [Zen] Questions, questions, question > To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, 3 November, 2010, 12:34 PM > > Ed, > > My comments are embedded below: > > [Ed] Questions, as usual, to ask oneself

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Bill Smart himself is also an illusion. Don't atttach any spiritual significant.   Anthony --- On Wed, 3/11/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Questions, questions, question To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, 3 November, 2010, 12:

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Ed, My comments are embedded below: [Ed] Questions, as usual, to ask oneself concening 'experience', with a view to clarify its meaning: Can the following be classified as kosher/halal experiences? o  A pentecostal Christian who has had a born-again experience? [Bill!] My opinion is that being bo

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] Questions, questions, question Bill, I got them on the website. Anthony --- On Mon, 1/11/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Questions, questions, question To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, 1 November, 2010, 11:15 AM Anthony, I noticed

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Ed, [Bill! from an earlier post] Tasting the peach with your whole being is EVERYTHING. It will save you, your friends, loved ones, all of humanity and all sentient beings. [Ed} That is merely an assertion (which might be based on illusory conceptions, feelings and experiences.) [Bill!] Is not

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Bill,   I got them on the website.   Anthony --- On Mon, 1/11/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Questions, questions, question To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, 1 November, 2010, 11:15 AM   Anthony, I noticed that some posts are

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He he...Good try!.  But not.  --- On Mon, 1/11/10, ED wrote: From: ED Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, 1 November, 2010, 16:10   Mayka, The 'experience' of answering the questions will be be your reward. ;-) --E

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Mayka, The 'experience' of answering the questions will be be your reward. ;-) --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Maria Lopez wrote: > > ED: > > Will I get paid after responding your questionnaire?. > > Mayka

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ED:   Will I get paid after responding your questionnaire?.    Mayka --- On Mon, 1/11/10, ED wrote: From: ED Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, 1 November, 2010, 14:07   Mayka, Do you sit at all?   If yes, do you sit alone or

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Mayka, Do you sit at all? If yes, do you sit alone or with a group? On the average, for how many hours per day do you sit? Does your sitting help you control your emotionality? Does it assist you in developing humility, or cultivating a sensitivity to others' feelings? --ED --- In Zen_For

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ED:   Your intelectual sounds pretty thirsty and hungry.  Could it be a cause for you to feel so frustated? .  Point of sitting down:  to stop the mental bzzz!!!   Mayka   --- On Mon, 1/11/10, ED wrote: From: ED Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question To: Zen_Forum

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Bill, That is merely an assertion (which might be based on illusory conceptions, feelings and experiences.) --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Ed, > > Tasting the peach with your whole being is EVERYTHING. It will save your > friends, loved ones, all of humanity and all senti

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Bill, I regard everything you, I, Mayka, I and others say as 'illusory', but one has to do *something* to pass the time of day before the grim reaper arrives. ;-) --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Ed, > > In my opinion, and it's only my opinion, those feelings you got readin

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Mayka, We are flogging a dead horse. >From *my* perspective there is no difference between what you (and Bill and others) say, and what I say. The difference is one of deep orientation: You and Bill and others are (unconsciously) steeped in the fixated and contentious Western Judeo-Christian m

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f enhancement of the health and well being not just in me but also my surroundings.   Mind that this is just my personal experience and not necessarily anybody else experience.    Mayka     --- On Mon, 1/11/10, ED wrote: From: ED Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question To: Zen_Forum@

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@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Wu Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 5:00 AM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Zen] Questions, questions, question Bill, This post of yours have been repeated at least six times. At the rate of 10c per piece, you are

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er 31, 2010 11:23 PM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question   --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Ed, My responses are embedded below: [Ed]  When one reads, it is not necessarily to 'learn', but also and especially to awaken one&#

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Ed, My answers are embedded below: --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > I think there is a distinct difference between doing and feeling something and only reading about it. And, what is the signifance of this (personally-experienced) difference? [Bill!] I already addressed this in a fol

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@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question     Mayka, Of what value is tasting the peach to yourself, your friends and loved ones, or to humanity in general? --ED   --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Maria Lopez wrote: > ED:  Sit down and you'll be having yourself experience h

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Responses below. Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Oct 31, 2010, at 9:47, "ED" wrote: > Nevertheless, in our society today, we tend to grant people the autonomy to > do their own thing and arrive at their own insights in the fullness of time. So you are saying we should gra

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Anthony, No. --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu wrote: > > ED, > > Your highlighted words have awakened my non-wisdom mind. Do you mean you already knew Buddhism and zen before reading Christmas Humphrey and Alan Watts. Only you forgot them, but were again reminded by the two

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Mayka, Because I am not sufficiently motivated to realize Buddha Nature. Why do you do zazen? --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Maria Lopez wrote: > ED; Why don't you do zazen? Mayka Mayka, Why do you do zazen? --ED

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yess. --- On Mon, 1/11/10, ED wrote: From: ED Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, 1 November, 2010, 4:18 AM   Mayka, So, your experiences of Buddha Mind are entirely for your own pleasure? --ED   --- In Zen_Forum

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Mayka/ED,   I know the value. A local pear costs you a yuan (15c). But one from Spain will have to be paid for, after the high counter-veiling duty, with $2.   Anthony --- On Mon, 1/11/10, Maria Lopez wrote: From: Maria Lopez Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question To: Zen_Forum

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: ED Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, 1 November, 2010, 12:23 AM   --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Ed, My responses are embedded below: [Ed]  When one reads, it is not necessarily to 'learn', but als

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importance on them and as a result are attached to them.   …Bill!   From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of siska_...@yahoo.com Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2010 9:56 PM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question     Hi

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ED; Why don't you do zazen? Mayka --- On Sun, 31/10/10, ED wrote: From: ED Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, 31 October, 2010, 21:23     Mayka, Why do you do zazen? --ED   --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Maria Lopez

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Mayka, Why do you do zazen? --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Maria Lopez wrote: > ED: What's Buddha mind?. What do you mean by buddha mind are for my own pleasure?. Is it a new dharma am not aware of from the complementary lote different strokes for different folks?. Mayka

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ED:   What's Buddha mind?.  What do you mean by buddha mind are for my own pleasure?.  Is it a new dharma am not aware of from the complementary lote different strokes for different folks?.    Mayka     --- On Sun, 31/10/10, ED wrote: From: ED Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, ques

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ED:  Sit down and you'll be having yourself experience here.  No much point to tell you the taste of a peach when you can eat and taste by yourself what does it look like.   Mayka   --- On Sat, 30/10/10, ED wrote: From: ED Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question To: Zen_

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Mayka, So, your experiences of Buddha Mind are entirely for your own pleasure? --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Maria Lopez wrote: > > ED: > This summer I asked my boyfriend to bring me a pair of those big watering peaches from Spain. I didn't waste time asking him the value of the p

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From: ED Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, 31 October, 2010, 19:32     Mayka, Of what value is tasting the peach to yourself, your friends and loved ones, or to humanity in general? --ED   --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, M

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Mayka, Of what value is tasting the peach to yourself, your friends and loved ones, or to humanity in general? --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Maria Lopez wrote: > ED: Sit down and you'll be having yourself experience here. No much point to tell you the taste of a peach when you

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myself.  I was merely given the theory and the tool of it. Everyone can do it.  Not level requirements of any kind here.   Mayka --- On Sat, 30/10/10, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 wrote: From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question To: Zen_Forum@yahoo

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Sat, 30/10/10, ED wrote: From: ED Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, 30 October, 2010, 16:39   --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Maria Lopez wrote: > > Thanks ED.  I appreciate your kind words and understanding.  Mayk

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--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, ChrisAustinLane wrote: > > > Do persons not have a choice as to what they think/feel is important to themselves? > I certainly do not seem to; sometimes I know what is important to me, sometimes even that is mysterious. I have had very poor results to directly

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--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Ed, My responses are embedded below: [Ed] When one reads, it is not necessarily to 'learn', but also and especially to awaken one's own intrinsic wisdom-mind, no? [Bill!] I assume by 'intrinsic wisdom-mind' you mean 'Buddha Mind' or 'Original Min

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Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Oct 31, 2010, at 7:42, "ED" wrote: > Do persons not have a choice as to what they think/feel is important to > themselves? > > I certainly do not seem to; sometimes I know what is important to me, sometimes even that is mysterious. I hav

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--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Siska, > > I think there is a distinct difference between doing and feeling something and only reading about it. Bill, And, what is the signifance of this (personally-experienced) difference? > There is absolutely the experience of reading. That's y

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s explains it, clearly. siska -Original Message- From: Sender: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 11:01:17 To: Reply-To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Zen] Questions, questions, question Ed, My responses are embedded below: [Ed} When one reads, it is not necess

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@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of siska_...@yahoo.com Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2010 9:56 PM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question Hi Bill, > I'd advise you to value your own experience more than the account of

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@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of siska_...@yahoo.com Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2010 9:56 PM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question Hi Bill, > I'd advise you to value your own experience more than the account of

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@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of siska_...@yahoo.com Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2010 9:56 PM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question Hi Bill, > I'd advise you to value your own experience more than the account of

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@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question When I read a lot of Zen Enlightenment stuff, I find my sitting is then filled up with what i label Zen thoughts - thoughts that attempt to portray themselves as wisdom or as "good Zen experiences." I personally fin

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@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of siska_...@yahoo.com Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2010 9:56 PM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question Hi Bill, > I'd advise you to value your own experience more than the account of

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Ed, My responses are embedded below: [Ed} When one reads, it is not necessarily to 'learn', but also and especially to awaken one's own intrinic wisdom-mind, no? [Bill!] I assume by 'intrinic [sic] wisdom-mind' you mean 'Buddha Mind' or 'Original Mind'. If that's so, then I disagree with you -

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@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of siska_...@yahoo.com Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2010 9:56 PM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question Hi Bill, > I'd advise you to value your own experience more than the account of

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When I read a lot of Zen Enlightenment stuff, I find my sitting is then filled up with what i label Zen thoughts - thoughts that attempt to portray themselves as wisdom or as "good Zen experiences." I personally find those to be even more obscuring than the non-Zen thoughts about various imagi

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From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, 30 October, 2010, 0:45 Indeed, ED. The label for these conditions is "Delusion". As soon as we say or think or act, we have indulged ourselves int

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--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Maria Lopez wrote: > > Thanks ED. I appreciate your kind words and understanding. Mayka, thanks to you too; I feel happy too now that we are attempting to communicate with each other. > Your tolerance says a lot of good about you. The explanation maybe a l

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--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Bill... wrote: > > You are correct that you shouldn't form an attachment to either your own experience or intellectual knowledge - but it is important to note that the experience, even its memory, is your experience; > whereas whatever you read or are taught is

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Mayka said: " You right and there is no attachment to any of those sensations appearing in the body and in the mind." Mayka, How can a person ever be certain that he/she is not possessed by an attachment or an aversion? Would not others, and epecially one's own guide (zen, spiritual or pych

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m [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Maria Lopez Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 5:43 PM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question Siska: I have also come across people who sit and then start to look down on people who only read (or seems s

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of it.  As a result the outcome brings benefit to everyone.    It's a continuous taming of the ego.    Thanks for the opportunity of sharing. Mayka   --- On Sat, 30/10/10, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 wrote: From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, questio

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Bill;   I apologise.  I over-reacted and missed out the joke!   Mayka --- On Sat, 30/10/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Questions, questions, question To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, 30 October, 2010, 3:32   Mayka,   Yes

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you don't get by surprise and in nappies!.    Mayka   --- On Fri, 29/10/10, ED wrote: From: ED Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, 29 October, 2010, 15:10   Mill, What 'WHOOP-ASS'?  I jut see a person expressing h

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Bill, What 'WHOOP-ASS'? I see no 'WHOOP ASS'. I see a person expressing her thoughts, feelings and wants - which is a natural and normal thing for a person to do. Back off? Me? I have not said a word to (or about) Mayka since her demand of me not to communicate with her. --ED PS: Mayka,

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I agree with Chris that a teacher, if not absolutely essential, is very highly desirable.Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ChrisAustinLane Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2010 12:12 AM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions

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] On Behalf Of Maria Lopez Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 9:03 PM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Zen] Questions, questions, question Bill: Yes your mail was directed to ED in the public domain in which everyone can have a go and participate. Your replay to ED was made

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] On Behalf Of Maria Lopez Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 9:03 PM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Zen] Questions, questions, question Bill: Yes your mail was directed to ED in the public domain in which everyone can have a go and participate. Your replay to ED was made

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Ed, Don't worry about the snake's legs, worry about the snake's fangs.Mill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ED Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 9:11 PM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, questio

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Ed, Don't worry about the snake's legs, worry about the snake's powerful body.Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ED Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 9:14 PM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, ques

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Indeed, ED. The label for these conditions is "Delusion". As soon as we say or think or act, we have indulged ourselves into form, which is emptiness. So are every word posted and discussed here, including every alphabet that I am typing at the moment Be Enlightened In This Life - We A

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Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Oct 29, 2010, at 14:34, "ED" wrote: > but one can never be certain one is not fooling oneself. In acting, one is not fooling one's self. In thinking, one cannot be sure. Current Book Discussion: any

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Hi JMJM, Whether these opinions/conceptions are illusory or otherwise, they are all mere opinions/conceptions that furnish a framework for some to 'understand' the teacher-student relation; but one can never be certain one is not fooling oneself. --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Jue Mi

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Hi All, In my limited experience, some teachers are like a tour guide, he tells us where to go or what to do. Some teachers are like a mirror, it reflects the true we, so that we get to know ourselves, to wake us up. Depending on whether we are the at the stage of seeking inwardly or outwa

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On the path or off the path, with a teacher (zen, psychological or spiritual) or without a teacher, one could be fooling oneself about something or other, from one perspective or another. This is a universal given in the game of life. --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, ChrisAustinLane

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Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Oct 28, 2010, at 23:24, Siska wrote: > Agree, a teacher would be nice to have. From where I stand, it is still not a > "must have", but then again, I'm open to the difference, if perhaps this is > the way it is in Zen. At various places on

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enses working at high speed.  You right and there is no attachment to any of those sensations appearing in the body and in the mind.    Thanks for your sharing. Mayka     --- On Fri, 29/10/10, siska_...@yahoo.com wrote: From: siska_...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, questi

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--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Mayka, > My comment was directed towards Ed, not you. Opening up a can of whoop-ass from time to time and when it' appropriate is fine with me. Bill and Mayka, And fine by me too. > If you think Ed is a 'male feminist' (chauvinist) tell him. Be

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Bill, What 'WHOOP-ASS'? I jut see a person expressing her thoughts, feelings and wants - which is a natural and normal thing for a person to do. IMO, seeing it as 'WHOOP-ASS', is like adding legs to a snake. Back off? Me? I have not said a word to (or about) Mayka since her demand of me not

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Mill, What 'WHOOP-ASS'? I jut see a person expressing her thoughts, feelings and wants - which is a natural and normal thing for a person to do. IMO, seeing it as 'WHOOP-ASS', is like adding legs to a snake. Back off? Me? I have not said a word to (or about) Mayka since her demand of me n

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...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Questions, questions, question To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, 29 October, 2010, 14:12   Mayka, My comment was directed towards Ed, not you. Opening up a can of whoop-ass from time to time and when it’s appropriate is fine with me. If you

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Maria Lopez Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 5:43 PM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question Siska: I have also come across people who sit and then start to look down on people who only read (or seems so). This is perhaps the other extreme to those who

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st but in the form a man?. He doesn't seem to real ice that we are in a zen forum and that all that is irrelevant. Mayka --- On Fri, 29/10/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Questions, questions, question To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date:

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your sitting? siska -Original Message- From: Maria Lopez Sender: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 11:42:38 To: Reply-To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question Siska: I have also come across people who sit and then start to look down

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Bill: Do you think so?. Thanks for the warning.  Knowing this little remorse feels release.   Mayka --- On Fri, 29/10/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Questions, questions, question To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, 29 October, 2010

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0, Siska wrote: From: Siska Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, 29 October, 2010, 7:24   Hi Mayka,     > For instance a frequent experience I keep coming across in Internet is the > number of people who do zen reading

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't seem to real ice that we are in a zen forum and that all that is irrelevant. Mayka --- On Fri, 29/10/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Questions, questions, question To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, 29 October, 2010, 9:08

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Hi Anthony, It might be easier to just ask Bill, don't you think? :-) siska -Original Message- From: Anthony Wu Sender: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 05:20:21 To: Reply-To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Zen] Questions, questions, question Siska,   I

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See Ed! It’s more WHOOP-ASS! You better back off! …Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Maria Lopez Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 3:33 AM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question Reading

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e difference, if perhaps this is the way it is in Zen.   > Nice talking to you Feeling's mutual :-)   siska   --- On Thu, 28/10/10, Maria Lopez wrote: From: Maria Lopez Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, 28 October,

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Mike,   I don't see the connection between the British Army and orgyhouse studies. Is it along the same line as my idea that gentlemen and sinners are synonyms?   Anthony --- On Thu, 28/10/10, mike brown wrote: From: mike brown Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question To: Zen_

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f Anthony Wu Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 4:50 AM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question Siska, The Buddha means somebody who can walk and talk as soon as he is born. According to a mahayana story, Sakyamuni, as soon as he came out of his mother'

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0/10, mike brown wrote: From: mike brown Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, 28 October, 2010, 12:27   I *really* wanna see ED's chat up lines and their effects in one of my local bars : )   Mike From: Maria Lopez

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or one start to uncover all the layers there   Nice talking to you Mayka       -- On Thu, 28/10/10, siska_...@yahoo.com wrote: From: siska_...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, 28 October, 2010, 5:49   Mayka, W

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Mike, Would I be leaving the bar all in one piece? :-( --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, mike brown wrote: > I *really* wanna see ED's chat up lines and their effects in one of my local bars : ) Mike ALL WHAT I MEAN IS THAT YOU HAVE BORED ME TO DEATH. LET ME ALONE GET LOST.

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I *really* wanna see ED's chat up lines and their effects in one of my local bars : ) Mike From: Maria Lopez To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 26 October, 2010 10:07:40 Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question   ALL WHAT I MEAN IS THA

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Anthony,   You said something about learning together in an 'orgy-house'.. I'm ex-British Army, so I already hold an honourary Ph.D in 'Orgy-House Studies'.   Mike

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LOL! Thanks for the offer Bill, I can see you are a very good and responsible moderator. siska -Original Message- From: Sender: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 10:25:33 To: Reply-To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Zen] Questions, questions, question Siska

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ogroups.com Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 06:21:05 To: Reply-To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question My advice is that you should be careful in choosing your teacher. Test him first. Some Tantric teacher will ask you to jump from the top of a seven story buil

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