surely we need 3d adventures though to be on a level playing field
with our sighted counterparts we are way behind in the types of games
we will accept as blind gamers
On 26 Dec 2009, at 07:57, James Dietz wrote:
I'm with dark; we need more actual 2-dimentional side-scrollers. I
wouldn't
well a startrek side scroller would rock I suppose.
At 12:19 p.m. 26/12/2009, you wrote:
Hi,
I would like to see a star wars side-scroller.
Also how about a lord-of-the-rings type side scroller or some kind of fantasy
with elves dwarves and wizards and the trees in lord of the rings that could
well a general scifi would be good, something more serious though, I mean we
can't have cartoons all the time.
At 12:37 p.m. 26/12/2009, you wrote:
Hi Josh,
I could certainly use ideas and concepts from these stories, but I could not
use names like Star Wars or terminology like lightsabor or
To be really honest with ya, I think that we have enough side scrollers. I
think we should really try to get something 3d like.
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Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 8:57 AM
Hi,
I actually really like that idea. Yeah, I would like to see something like
that. I know its gonna be more complicated as it was programming The real
Kringle Crash, though it practices. As you as the programmer, and the
player. So I think that might be a good idea.
Kevin
- Original
Hi,
Yeah, I also really like those 3D games. However if some people have
problems with it they can't play it, and that would be kind of a ripp off
for nothing, I guess.
Though I relaly like 3D games
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From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com
To: Gamers
Hi,
I have put version 2 of Triple J Shooter up on my web site.
File name wintjs2.exe File size 2.5 meg
In version 2 I made the scoring speech interuptable with the trigger or
keyboard and tweaked the target areas a bit.
BFN
Jim
Love! and Pease on Earth
j...@kitchensinc.net
I vote for another RPG, maybe text based rather than roguelike, but like
Entombed having lots of classes and crafting occupations to explore. Many
different spells and skills, and many different kinds and cominations of
objects and artifacts,with perhaps a compelling but loosely implemented
Hi Phil,
The name of the program is diceroll.exe. I have put it up on send space.
It will ask you for the number of dice to roll. Then it will ask you for the
number of sides on the dice. Now press the space bar to roll the dice.
Pressing the space bar again will roll the dice again.
Hi Chastity,
I saved the Oregon Trail text and was looking at it a bit. I think that it
would be very easy to convert it to a VB6 sapi5 game. Allot of it would just
be replacing the print statements to sapi5 speech statements.
BFN
Jim
Love! and Pease on Earth
j...@kitchensinc.net
Hi Jim,
Great job!
I took your instructions and created a txt file and added a dice.wav that
works perfectly.
Your name and email address is in the text file.
Now can I put it on my web site for people to download?
Thanks,
Phil
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From: Jim Kitchen
Treasurehunt I actually find rather difficult myself, due to the total lack
of any sort of audio ambience or ability to place markers, -everything
just looks the same to me. Shades I find significantly easier.
I don't particularly mind handling the direction facing commands in
something
Actually, the first generation of 3D games such as original doom did use the
left right to turn method (one reason why audio quake has those controls),
and other games like tomb rader or mario 64 use the analogue stick, --- with
a short left press turning the character, and a long left hold
I'm afraid this confuses me a litle.
Thus far, the only serious side scroller we've got with full 2D vertical
movement is Mota.
Q9 Tarzan jr and superliam are fun games, but they aren't precisely on
a level with side scrollers even of the late 1980's such as mega man or
mario brothers.
I totally agree with you Dark. We definitely have more 3-d or like games
than we do side scrollers. Let's count 'em LOL. We have Super Liam, Q9,
Tarzan Junion and Q9 and then MOTA when it's finally released. And then the
side scroller level in Pipe 2. So that's definitely not more side
Hi Thomas,
Yes, I remember but did not watch the Pacman cartoon.
It would be cool if someone still had the instructions from the Atari Missile
Command game to see if it says that your high tech missile defense station was
firing a laser or anti missile missiles. I mean the name of the game
Hi Shaun,
I would not be able to explain so much the lines of code that dimension and set
up the sound buffers etc. I just paste them in and use them. But if you like
I can explain any of the lines of code. Maybe it would be better to do it off
list though.
BFN
Jim
Love! and Pease
No, but the upcoming version I believe will be accessible on both Mac and
Windows.
On Dec 26, 2009, at 1:12 AM, Nick Helms wrote:
Hi all,
Just wondering if anyone on the list has used pro tools, and if so, do
you find it usable with a screenreader?
Reguards, and happy holidays!
Nick
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Hi,
maybe when my son gets older and I have more time on my hands I'll maybe learn
c++ or buy the game creation toolkit and make a star-wars game and give it away
foor free. they can't come after me or could not com after me for giving away a
free game? maybe I'll even make it open source and
Hey Orin,
Accessible on Windows is news to me man. I'm not saying you're wrong,
just very curious to know more if you're right. Do you have anymore
info?
To answer your original question though Nick it's hard to say how
it'll be with a screen reader, the interface has undergone quite a few
Hi.
Done. I got to thinking about it and I was thinking heck, I could do that
farely easily, why don't I try it.
I haven't tested it very much on anything but myself, so those who try it, feel
invited to let me know of oppinions. It should work ok for everyone though as I
don't think it will
Either that, or you could make an object or a sub or what ever it would be
called that handled the speech, and call it using one line or something
seemingly easy from everywhere in the code. You'd still have to change all the
speech to use the new code though. I'm satisfied with the voice files
Personally, I'd try not to beat myself up too much if I were a
developer that we're quite far behind our sighted counterparts in most
genres in terms of game detail and size of maps etc. Having spent a
Christmas around a selection of new PS3 titles, I've just realised how
big the gap is, and it's
thanks guys,
at least I can exchange it, as I got it as a christmas gift.
On 12/26/09, Scott Chesworth scottcheswo...@gmail.com wrote:
Hey Orin,
Accessible on Windows is news to me man. I'm not saying you're wrong,
just very curious to know more if you're right. Do you have anymore
info?
Another thought that just occurred is that, although some of the
mainstream titles are pretty playable, a fully accessible game in the
music genre would be an amazing timewaster for someone like me, and
perhaps not too tough for the developer. My thinking being that one
of the open source efforts
Bummer Nick.
From memory, you don't own a mac? I mean if Orin turns out to be
right about Windows access, you'll only have a few months to wait and
the upgrade to the accessible version will be cheap as chips for you.
On 12/26/09, Nick Helms nick.he...@gmail.com wrote:
thanks guys,
at least I
I do not own a mac. do you think that I could exchange this copy for
the new version when it is released?
On 12/26/09, Scott Chesworth scottcheswo...@gmail.com wrote:
Bummer Nick.
From memory, you don't own a mac? I mean if Orin turns out to be
right about Windows access, you'll only have a
Hi Yohandy,
No, your situation isn't all that unique. I've often wondered why so
many VI gamers have problems playing games like Shades of doom when I
don't have any serious navigational issues with it. One factor could be
that Shades of Doom was intentionally designed as a complex maze which
Hi Jim and all.
I may be able to check that out as I have quite a lot of old Atari stuff
around here but I am 99.9 percent sure you were firing ABM's (antibalistic
missles in missile command. Like I say I will check it out.
Tom
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Hi Sharon,
A side-scroller is a 2-dimensional game where you start on the left side
of the game screen and work your way to the right side of the screen.
Good examples of this style of game is Mysteries of the Ancients, Q9,
and Super Liam.
HTH
Sharon Hooley wrote:
What is a side-scroller,
Hi Philip,
Well,keep in mind you are talking to an FPS purest hear so any opinion I
give is going to be pretty bias to other opinions and views. That's not
to say I wouldn't enjoy a game like you describe, but by simplifying the
game it feels like a cheat to me and is unrealistic. I guess what
Hi Thomas,
I see what you're saying and I agree for the most part, but my main
difference of opinion is that realism is nice though not at any cost. If it
makes it very difficult for some gamers to navigate including myself, then
that is not achieving the goal that I set for myself when
Even that's not a guaranteer of protection. They could still order you to
stop distributing the game and if you didn't they could still take some sort
of action against you.
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Hi Jacob and all.
This is a very interesting question, I do play pool quite a little bit in
the real world with a couple of sighted friends. I am a total so what I
have to do is to have somebody tell me where the cue ball (the white one) is
and then either carefully check around for what I think
Hmm, my guess would be no, never seen it where I could return a
software product and walk away with the next version as a straight
swap. The upgrade cost will be cheap though, might already be decided
come to think of it, it'd be worth a call to Digidesign to find out.
But of course, all this
Hi.
http://www.maccessibility.com has a podcast on the accessibility of pro Tools
on the Mac side. We know it'll be accessible on the Mac, but when they were
talking they made it sound like with the way it's designed the programers won't
have to go through hoops to make it accessible.
On Dec
I think the easiest thing for me when it comes to these music games is the
vocals. If companies like Harminix could add talking menus to the game,
especially for the career mode, that'd be helpful. At least we'd have a chance
of getting through the career mode. Right now I'm stuck somewhere in
Dark,
I wouldn't go as far to say that the move to 3d FPS is just simply
fashion trends. There is a lot more to FPS than just the features you
mentioned. In fact, I'd go as far to say the use of the FPS format has
nothing to do with features but realism. So look at this comparatively
speaking
ah. thanks, though.
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Hi.
http://www.maccessibility.com has a podcast on the accessibility of pro
Tools on the Mac side. We know it'll be accessible on the Mac, but when they
were talking they made it sound like with the way it's designed the
,
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Hi Dark,
Yeah, aside from jumping up to attack bats Q9 strictly moves on a 1d
plane that is left to right. More traditional 2d games like MOTA at
least includes an element of vertical up/down movement as well. Shades
of Doom also is only 2d because there is only an x and y axis of
movement.
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Hi Dark,
I beg to differ with you about Shades of Doom, Sarah, etc being 3d.
Technically they are not 3d. Although they are FPS games they have 3d
audio systems, but the movement still is restricted to an x/y axis. None
of the games have an x, y, and z axis of movement making them only 2d in
Hi Dark,
As a game developer I find your comments and suggestions most helpful.
So as I understand it as long as I design my game engine a long the GMA
engine, which I am, including such features as place markers, visited
here before announcements, and even try my best to give each room a name
Hi Dark,
I like the concept of an open arena type game as a free training
program, but unfortunately that wouldn't be a very good example of a
true 3d game. If we are talking a true 3d game keep in mind we aren't
just talking north, south, east, and west directions. There has to be an
element
Hello,
Missile Command fired missiles at the target. The missile exploded, and
if the attacking missiles were in the blast radius, they would be
destroyed. The trick was leading the missiles and trying to get mor than
one in a blast since you only had a certain number of missiles per
round.
Hi Philip,
Like I said you do whatever you personally feel comfortable with. I've
learned long ago not everyone shares the same opinion or interests in
games, and when programming a game a developer should always do what
he/she feels comfortable with. Don't let others decide for you what you
Hi Philip,
Another thought, though I realise I'm bombarding the thread somewhat
grin. Just remembered that you were the guy who did showdown. If
online gameplay was something you'd be keen on, maybe a revamped
version of something along those lines would be cool with the new
swanky sounds and
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To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 5:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] The future of Blastbay Studios
Hi Yohandy,
No, your situation isn't all that unique. I've often wondered
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How is this in any way relevant to games? Just curious...
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Ah, good question. I expect Nick was planning to use Pro Tools to
record a load more demos for us showing off his progress with the
flight sim stuff.
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hi tom.
I admit there might be some personal bias here. the move to 3d at one stroke
killed my access to the vast majority of graphical games, in fact I
remember at the age of about 14 getting incredibly upset because I found
mario 64 nearly impossible to play. i'd looked forward to it
True Tom.
Shades etc are 3D in the way that original Doom and wolfenstein 3D
were, ie, 2D areas from a first person perspective.
By the same tocan though, we thus far have only one true side
scroller, - and that is Mota.
If we substitute the terms first person and side scroller
Short answer, yes, those features are what I use exhaustively. On the
other hand audio maps I'm afraid I find just incomprehensible, cool
though the marauders' map in Sarah was.
Even coordinates I only tend to use as a general guideline to know if I'm in
the middle or at the edge of
Only 1 2D side scroller? I suppose that Super Liam isn't two dimensional,
even though you do go down below to battle the rats and jump over the fans.
Is jumping over stuff considered a second dimension? Super Liam, however,
is a side scroller, so MOTA is not the only one we have, right?
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Counting steps got me nowhere, because steps aren't always the same length.
Set a different pace, and you might stride more, making your number of steps
less. Hmm. I wonder if this idea could, or should, be incorporated into
games? If you run, you take fewer steps to get there.
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In God we
Hi tom.
One thing at a time! people can play many left right sterrio targiting
strictly speaking 1 dimentional affairs, yet find a 2D game like shades
complex, so I suggest an open arena type trainer for
familiarity, --- -something I think might stil be valuable so people can
Interesting point about coordinates Dark. With your taste for RPG's
that tend to have a lot more number crunching and stats to take in,
I'd have expected you to rely pretty heavily on those.
Personally I can't make numbers relate to situations in the slightest
in any game, even remembering
well, strictly speaking charles in superliam (and Q9) you don't actually
travel to other levels when you jump, you merely clear obstacles.
for game mechanics pruposes there needs to be no y axis present, just a
short period of time in which you are able to pass forward over the
obstacle.
Definitely should, though I'd imagine programming the actual physics
for it adds at least a pint of tears to a developer's day lol. It's
something I'd really appreciate though, I think it'd go a long way
toward making you feel like you're actually running when you're
running, rather than it just
I even find the mapping in Lone Wolf to be confusing. Sections A1 through
A5, north to south, B1 through B5 north to south, OK. But break A1 into
another 5 by 5 grid, and I'm lost.
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Maybe I'm confused a bit on the use of the shields. As I understand it, the
damage the monsters try to inflict on you is bounced back upon them when you
activate a shield, and no damage is done to you while it remains active. If
this is the case, you would be invincible while it is active,
probably not jumping is in most games some 3dfps stuff like duke nukem you jump
and sertainly quake has jumping in it.
At 03:29 p.m. 27/12/2009, you wrote:
Only 1 2D side scroller? I suppose that Super Liam isn't two dimensional,
even though you do go down below to battle the rats and jump over
Hi charles,
Yup, you got it right. Other than pits, you're invinsible when a
shield is active, so I suppose it's all around you because it works
just as well on attacks from behind. You're free to use other weapons
in conjunction with it, that way any attack from the enemy rebounds
upon there
Hi Thomas,
This might be the wrong thread, but I have a question about the Genesis
Engine. What, exactly, is its purpose? I did at first think it was a new
computer language, but when you mentioned porting it from C #.net to C ++...
What does it do that the basic languages don't? Don't mean to
Hi.
I updated the dice roller again to fix a huge bug in the voiceover script where
it would say things like seven hundred million thousand instead of just seven
hundred million. Lol. It can sort of count higher than 9 digits now, but not
really. it just doesn't stop in it's tracks when you
There is a lot involved in programming a computer program, especially
a game. Game engines make it easier to program games, giving you
pre-made objects which handle things like physics and level creation
as well as lower-level details like speech and menus.
On 12/26/09, Hayden Presley
I like this game idea and who ever said another role play game needs to re
assess where we are as blind gamers. The problem is rpg and side scrollers
are so past what we need now. Let's get up to somewhat in the 21st century.
I want a 3d first person shooter or fighter game.
-Original
Thomas:
I agree with you. The problem is blind community want something to beat and
they say in one word they want challenging but in fact they want challenging
but beatable and beatable is not something first person 3d. I personally
have been pushing and want something like that.
If some
Thomas well said and I concur.
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From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Thomas Ward
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 1:09 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] The future of Blastbay Studios
Dark,
I wouldn't
Thomas:
Again well said I want the same
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From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Thomas Ward
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 12:06 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] The future of Blastbay Studios
Hi
Thomas/Phillip:
I hope you both come out with this and for those who want to stay with
simple 2 dimensional games then they have a ton of games out there already.
Let's move ahead and see what can be developed.
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From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org
Please no more side scrollers. First person and 3d way to go
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From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Philip Bennefall
Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 2:33 PM
To: A public mailing list for Blastbay Studios.
Cc: Gamers
RPG's and like games are still produced in the mainstream market, so no they
aren't so past what we need. There's still room for all these types of
genres.
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Hi Hayden,
Genesis is a game engine I am rewriting in C++. Basically, that means it
is a piece of software that contains all of the core components of a
game such as input, audio, game physics, game menus, etc. All of the
core functionality is contained in the engine, but to create new games
I disagree completely. You talk about not limiting ourselves to one genre
but yet you want Philip to do just that. There's plenty of room for more of
every type of genre.
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Hi Charles,
MOTA isn't the only side-scroller we have, but it is the only one that
takes full advantage of a 2d environment. In Q9 and Super Liam there is
jumping, but other than that they take no real consideration of the 2d
environment they are written for. I really don't consider jumping
Hi Charles,
It is the same concept but on a smaller scale. A sector like a-1 1-1 is
the bottom corner of the map. In sector 1-1 substitute the first one
with a and you have the same thing. No big deal.
Smile.
Charles Rivard wrote:
I even find the mapping in Lone Wolf to be confusing.
I suggested another RPG and I don't need to reassess anything. Anyway, why
not a 3D shooter with RPG elements? That could satisfy everybody. Maybe
something like HEXXEN for the blind, if you remember that game.
--Bill
- Original Message -
From: mike maslo
All about the competition eh? lol. That's okay, me too. Onine play would be
good especially for something like shodown... but it should be a bit of a
faster pace as well, since the actual sport is a lot more aggressive. lol.
- Original Message -
From: Scott Chesworth
Hi Tom,
Thanks, I was pretty sure that was the case as well. You know because like you
said they exploded and took out any incoming missiles within range.
BFN
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Hi Jim and all.
I may be able to check that out as I have quite a lot of old Atari stuff
around here
Hi Phil,
Cool, I'm glad that the dice roller program is what you were looking for.
Like the little book record keeper and simple Blind Chit Chat See and Say
programs, I was not really planning on supporting the dice roller program, but
other than that, sure, if you think it is ok to put on
Hi Thomas,
Not A FPS game, but isn't Lone Wolf truly 3d with 360 degrees and the depth of
the ocean.
Again not a FPS but all of the airplanes and bullets in Puppy 1 have constantly
changing X, Y and Z coordinates.
I drove a car until I was 21 and could still see until I was about 31. I do
Well scot, for me the number crunching is always subordinate to the game and
the exploration of that game, --- so working out the best weapon and
stratogy in a numerical rpg system helps because I can then go more places
and do more things, not just fight stronger monsters.
coordinates I
I find lone wolf in general confusing, --- coordinates system, calculation
of angles for weapons etc, it's a nightmare!
I've had some very fun missions, but only with considderable work, and only
when i feel like a challenge, --- pluss mission 4 is about my limit!
I'm not sorry i bought
The shields are forcefields, and therefore offer full scale protection and
yes, using your club to bash skulls is often a good way of taking out lots
of enemies while using a shield.
Beware the grue!
Dark.
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From: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net
To:
Quake is indeed 3D, sinse you have catwalks, stairs, and jumping, which all
play a large effect upon the game, and you can for instance jump down from
above on someone with your axe.
beware the grue!
Dark.
- Original Message -
From: shaun everiss shau...@xtra.co.nz
To: Charles Rivard
One comment Mike.
sinse there is! only one audio rpg thus far, and only in beta phase,
how can you find rpgs boring?
if your judging the entire rpg genre by online text affairs, you've
only got the tip of the iceberg there, and the very limited, often pvp
focused, and not
Accept space invaders games, please no more! ;D.
beware the grue!
Dark.
- Original Message -
From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 1:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] The future of Blastbay
Well said bill.
I'd much rather have something with complex mechanics and explorable
areas, in however many dimentions, jthan just another action kill fest
requiring only the reflex parts of the brain!
beware the grue!
Dark.
- Original Message -
From: William L. Houts
True about lw, I'm not sure about puppy 1 I'm afraid though, sinse you
obviously can't go forward or backwards.
Beware the grue!
Dark.
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From: Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net
To: Thomas Ward Gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 2:15 AM
Subject:
Tom, I look forward to see how you're going to approach a fully 3d
game. I'm not sure it can be as viseral as it is for the sighted
because 3d sound technology isn't really at a level where it's easy to
distinguish whether something is above or below you (unless you have
one of those fancy 8.1
Hi Dark,
Actually, that is exactly one of the things I intend on upgrading in
Mysteries of the Ancients once I complete converting the Genesis Engine
to C++. It stands to reason since harpies are flying enemies they should
attack from the air and swoop down or fire attacks from the air.
Why another rpg though? Isn't that played out?
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From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of William L. Houts
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 8:07 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] The future of Blastbay
Hi Dark,
As I said a lot has to do with experience and personal opinion. You
don't feel First Person or Third Person games trump side-scrollers,
because you don't share the same experience and enjoyment of those
styles of games I have. This debate is similar to the one Che had when
he
They are boring. We have Tom's game and we had super lium. That if I
remember right a side scroller or maybe I am confused.
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From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of dark
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 8:45 PM
To: Gamers
Why does a first person game have to be all about kill? Why can't it be more
than just that? There is extremely narrow sighted in my opinion.
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From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of dark
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 8:49
We need first person games. I wish
Thomas would have followed through with his first intent in making it such.
However now that it is a true side scroller we have to wait for a new game
which demonstrates all of the possibilities.
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