Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ (-: sooner or later :-) KDEification of GIMP

2005-06-25 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ( Marc) (A.) (Lehmann )> writes: > Are you trying to argue? Maybe there is hope for you then, although the > above is not an argument. It's better than activey ignoring what people > write. "actively ignoring", haha. That's a nice one. You know, I have all the right to ign

Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ (-: sooner or later :-) KDEification of GIMP

2005-06-25 Thread pcg
On Wed, Jun 22, 2005 at 11:53:18PM +0200, Sven Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > That is, I think the fundamental flaw. A user interface that works for the > > majority is a pretty idiotic goal. A user interface should work for ALL > > users, and likely should have features to support the maj

Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ (-: sooner or later :-) KDEification of GIMP

2005-06-23 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, Robert L Krawitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I've been contributing suggestions both here and on the > bugzilla.gnome.org bug (whose number I forget). Yes, it's true that > my suggestion boils down to "bring back the text entry box!" and not a > whole lot else. Every time anyone here make

Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ (-: sooner or later :-) KDEification of GIMP

2005-06-23 Thread Robert L Krawitz
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 21:13:41 +0100 (BST) From: Alan Horkan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I do not disagree with Sven on this. Please do not count me in on this arguement, I probably should not have commented at all. On balance the new file chooser is better, it just happens to be worse

Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ (-: sooner or later :-) KDEification of GIMP

2005-06-23 Thread Alan Horkan
>to the number of happy users? We can hardly decide anything unless >we know the answer to these questions. > > I've seen quite a number of people -- Marc, Alastair Robinson, Bill > Kendrick, Jernej Simoncic, Joao S. O. Bueno Calligaris, Michael > Thaler, and myself -- complain more or les

Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ (-: sooner or later :-) KDEification of GIMP

2005-06-23 Thread Robert L Krawitz
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 07:43:07 -0400 From: Robert L Krawitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I've been contributing suggestions both here and on the bugzilla.gnome.org bug (whose number I forget). Yes, it's true that my suggestion boils down to "bring back the text entry box!" and not a who

Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ (-: sooner or later :-) KDEification of GIMP

2005-06-23 Thread Robert L Krawitz
From: Sven Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 10:35:51 +0200 Robert L Krawitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Isn't that at least enough reason to take a closer look at the > issue? Are you as well starting with this accusation now? We are taking a close look a

Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ (-: sooner or later :-) KDEification of GIMP

2005-06-23 Thread Michael Schumacher
> Von: Bill Kendrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > * Don't try to access my A: drive every time a dialog appears. > If I really cared about the A: drive (I don't), I'll probably click > on the icon for it! I heard others complain here that the file > dialogs take FOREVER, since they try to

Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ (-: sooner or later :-) KDEification of GIMP

2005-06-23 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, Robert L Krawitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Isn't that at least enough reason to take a closer look at the > issue? Are you as well starting with this accusation now? We are taking a close look at this. We have already spent a lot of time on this, probably way more than we should. I have

Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ (-: sooner or later :-) KDEification of GIMP

2005-06-22 Thread jernej
On Thursday, June 23, 2005, 2:18:57, Robert L Krawitz wrote: > Here's one: add a text entry box at the bottom of the screen, and use > a different key (say, shift-tab) for completion. My suggestion would be to use Tab for completion, but only if the user typed a few characters first - if he didn'

Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ (-: sooner or later :-) KDEification of GIMP

2005-06-22 Thread Bill Kendrick
On Wed, Jun 22, 2005 at 08:18:57PM -0400, Robert L Krawitz wrote: > Nobody here is complaining about anything else. Actually, at least with Gimp 2.2 on WinXP (which is what I'm sitting in front of right now), I have issues with Save As behaviour: * Once I've saved a newly-created image in a par

Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ (-: sooner or later :-) KDEification of GIMP

2005-06-22 Thread Bill Kendrick
On Wed, Jun 22, 2005 at 08:18:57PM -0400, Robert L Krawitz wrote: > Here's one: add a text entry box at the bottom of the screen, and use > a different key (say, shift-tab) for completion. The problem with Shift-Tab is that it's often used to navigate backwards through widgets in GUIs. Honestly,

Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ (-: sooner or later :-) KDEification of GIMP

2005-06-22 Thread Robert L Krawitz
From: Sven Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 00:09:06 +0200 <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ( Marc) (A.) (Lehmann )> writes: > Lots of people have. Sorry but I haven't seen a detailed and complete proposal yet. If you can point me to one, please do. Here's one: add a text

Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ (-: sooner or later :-) KDEification of GIMP

2005-06-22 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ( Marc) (A.) (Lehmann )> writes: > Lots of people have. Sorry but I haven't seen a detailed and complete proposal yet. If you can point me to one, please do. > Given that there *are* proposals, [...] > b) what would the possible problems be? I did that, several times, in

Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ (-: sooner or later :-) KDEification of GIMP

2005-06-22 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ( Marc) (A.) (Lehmann )> writes: > That is, I think the fundamental flaw. A user interface that works for the > majority is a pretty idiotic goal. A user interface should work for ALL > users, and likely should have features to support the majority. Yeah, of course. If it

Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ (-: sooner or later :-) KDEification of GIMP

2005-06-22 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, "Alastair M. Robinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I seem to remember early versions of Page Plus had a very good way of > balancing the needs of experienced and new users; you could set the > user interface between three modes, beginner, medium and expert, which > determined how many of th

Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ (-: sooner or later :-) KDEification of GIMP

2005-06-22 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, Robert L Krawitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The problem is that there's no one method that "works best for > people". People like Marc and I find the old dialog much more suited > to our needs than the new one. The GtkFileChooser widget was designed to be modular from the very beginning.

Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ (-: sooner or later :-) KDEification of GIMP

2005-06-22 Thread jernej
On Wednesday, June 22, 2005, 18:29:57, Alastair M. Robinson wrote: > To my mind the biggest problem with the old dialog was that it's > *really* ugly to look at! It also looks reminiscent of the old Windows > 3.1 file dialog, which is a big turn-off to some people... That one was more useful -

Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ (-: sooner or later :-) KDEification of GIMP

2005-06-22 Thread jernej
On Wednesday, June 22, 2005, 13:47:03, Marc)(A.)(Lehmann wrote: > Whta made the old dialog so special was that you could just type in paths as > you could elswhere in unix - namely via tab completion. > For example replacing tab by enter completely wrecks this feature, as this > is not at all i

Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ (-: sooner or later :-) KDEification of GIMP

2005-06-22 Thread Alastair M. Robinson
Hi, Alan Horkan wrote: It is unfortunate that the new file chooser is bad at exactly the things the old file chooser was good at, a case of six of one half dozen of the other. (I always have a terminal open and make frequent use of gimp-remote so I dont mind to the new file chooser too much.)

Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ (-: sooner or later :-) KDEification of GIMP

2005-06-22 Thread Alan Horkan
On Wed, 22 Jun 2005, Robert L Krawitz wrote: > Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 07:32:11 -0400 > From: Robert L Krawitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu > Subject: Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ (-: sooner or later :-) KDEification of &

Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ (-: sooner or later :-) KDEification of GIMP

2005-06-22 Thread Joao S. O. Bueno Calligaris
On Tuesday 21 June 2005 20:30, Sven Neumann wrote: > If you just add an entry to the current dialog you don't get the > current dialog with the extra benefit of an entry with Tab > completion. Unfortunately what you get is a dialog that has two > orthogonal ways of navigating it with the keyboard

Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ (-: sooner or later :-) KDEification of GIMP

2005-06-22 Thread Leon Brooks
On Wednesday 22 June 2005 16:12, Sven Neumann wrote: > Whatever we do, there will always be someone complaining. I don't > really care who that is. While it's fundamentally true, it's also a heavily defeatist approach. What I'd like is a complicated device folded down to simple proportions so th

Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ (-: sooner or later :-) KDEification of GIMP

2005-06-22 Thread pcg
On Wed, Jun 22, 2005 at 10:12:05AM +0200, Sven Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This is not about making you and Marc shut up. This is about designing > a user interface that works for the majority of users. Whatever we do, > there will always be someone complaining. I don't really care who th

Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ (-: sooner or later :-) KDEification of GIMP

2005-06-22 Thread pcg
On Tue, Jun 21, 2005 at 09:53:20PM -0400, Robert L Krawitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > people"? The problem (to me, and I daresay to Marc) is very simple -- > there's no obvious way to simply enter a pathname with a simple form > of completion that's only activated on demand. Actually, the old

Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ (-: sooner or later :-) KDEification of GIMP

2005-06-22 Thread Robert L Krawitz
From: Sven Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 10:12:05 +0200 Robert L Krawitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Sven, you've been offered a solution -- just add an entry with tab > completion. You may not agree with it, but it's not accurate to say > that "noone has

Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ (-: sooner or later :-) KDEification of GIMP

2005-06-22 Thread pcg
On Wed, Jun 22, 2005 at 12:18:34AM +0200, Sven Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > all that bad compared to the former. Most of the complaints seem to > come from people who got accustomed to the old dialog and haven't > really tried to approach the new one yet w/o leaving the old habits > behind

Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ (-: sooner or later :-) KDEification of GIMP

2005-06-22 Thread pcg
On Wed, Jun 22, 2005 at 12:59:33AM +0200, Sven Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ( Marc) (A.) (Lehmann )> writes: > > > Not a _single_ problem I described been changed (I originally > > assumed that the "kills the selection" problem has gone away, but > > it's still

Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ (-: sooner or later :-) KDEification of GIMP

2005-06-22 Thread Dennis Bjorklund
On Wed, 22 Jun 2005, Sven Neumann wrote: > If the bookmarks list has the keyboard focus (which it shouldn't have > initially), then you can of course use typeahead on the bookmarks > list. Good. > Not sure what "fix" you are referring to but this seems to be some kind > of rumour. I couldn't fi

Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ (-: sooner or later :-) KDEification of GIMP

2005-06-22 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, Dennis Bjorklund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Didn't someone point out that the dialog was "fixed" so that when > you type in something it uses the typahead of the file list (I > complained that sometimes the bookmark list is focused in my verion > of gtk+/gimp when I open the dialog). Does

Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ (-: sooner or later :-) KDEification of GIMP

2005-06-22 Thread Dennis Bjorklund
On Wed, 22 Jun 2005, Sven Neumann wrote: > IMO it is important that typeahead in the file chooser works just like > typeahead in all other list and tree views. I don't think that > changing the behaviour of typeahead is a good idea. One can also say that it's important that typing in a path alway

Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ (-: sooner or later :-) KDEification of GIMP

2005-06-22 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, Robert L Krawitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Sven, you've been offered a solution -- just add an entry with tab > completion. You may not agree with it, but it's not accurate to say > that "noone has made a proposal on how such an entry should be > integrated with the current dialog". Jus

Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ (-: sooner or later :-) KDEification of GIMP

2005-06-22 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, Dennis Bjorklund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > In the gtk2 dialog when you start to type you get a popup entry > widget where you can only type in entries that are in the current > file list. > > From a user perspective I don't see any drawbacks if one could type > in any path in that entry b

Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ (-: sooner or later :-) KDEification of GIMP

2005-06-21 Thread Dennis Bjorklund
On Wed, 22 Jun 2005, Sven Neumann wrote: > keyboard focus. In Inkscape it doesn't have the focus initially so you > need to press tab several times before you can start to use the > entry. As soon as you tab into the entry, your keyboard focus is > grabbed there (well, there's Ctrl-Tab to get out

Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ (-: sooner or later :-) KDEification of GIMP

2005-06-21 Thread Robert L Krawitz
From: Sven Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 00:18:34 +0200 >> (3) Don't try to advertise the old GtkFileSelection dialog as being >> the solution that we should revert too. > > I didn't. I did advertise the way the old file selection dialog used > it's te

Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ (-: sooner or later :-) KDEification of GIMP

2005-06-21 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >> So far noone has made a proposal on how such an entry should be >> integrated with the current dialog. > > What's wrong with the place Inkscape puts it? The place is probably OK, despite my feeling that it adds clutter. The real problem though is that an entry on

Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ (-: sooner or later :-) KDEification of GIMP

2005-06-21 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ( Marc) (A.) (Lehmann )> writes: > Not a _single_ problem I described been changed (I originally > assumed that the "kills the selection" problem has gone away, but > it's still there). What is "kills the selection"? I haven't been able to make anything out of that term.

Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ (-: sooner or later :-) KDEification of GIMP

2005-06-21 Thread jernej
On Wednesday, June 22, 2005, 0:18:34, Sven Neumann wrote: > So far noone has made a proposal on how such an entry should be > integrated with the current dialog. What's wrong with the place Inkscape puts it? -- < Jernej Simoncic ><><><><>< http://deepthought.ena.si/ > All inanimate objects can

Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ (-: sooner or later :-) KDEification of GIMP

2005-06-21 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ( Marc) (A.) (Lehmann )> writes: > As I told you before: for using the dialogs, it doesn't matter > wether the design is a beauty in itself or wether it is spaghetti > code. What counts is how it works for the user. And the new dialog > is still not up to the level of usefu

Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ (-: sooner or later :-) KDEification of GIMP

2005-06-21 Thread pcg
On Tue, Jun 21, 2005 at 10:48:15PM +0200, Sven Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > (1) Use the latest GTK+ 2.6 release. Most of the problems that you and > others mentioned have been addressed in the meantime and it > doesn't really make sense to have a discussion on bugs that are > a

Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ (-: sooner or later :-) KDEification of GIMP

2005-06-21 Thread pcg
On Tue, Jun 21, 2005 at 10:48:15PM +0200, Sven Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Huh? Is it all over already? That would be a pity. I won't let you drga me down to that level of discussion. So when you want to rant about lies and accusations, feel free to do so without me. > >> I cannot repro

Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ (-: sooner or later :-) KDEification of GIMP

2005-06-21 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ( Marc) (A.) (Lehmann )> writes: > This is the end of reasonable discussion with you again. Too bad you > immediately call other people liars and worse. Couldn'T you simply be > reasonable? Huh? Is it all over already? That would be a pity. >> these concern with Federico

Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ (-: sooner or later :-) KDEification of GIMP

2005-06-21 Thread Tino Schwarze
On Tue, Jun 21, 2005 at 07:16:25PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Tuesday, June 21, 2005, 17:29:52, Jakub Steiner wrote: > > > I believe you missed the type-ahead functionality: > > I know of type-ahead, but it's not an adequate replacement for a real > path+file text entry. This is how I u

Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ (-: sooner or later :-) KDEification of GIMP

2005-06-21 Thread jernej
On Tuesday, June 21, 2005, 17:29:52, Jakub Steiner wrote: > I believe you missed the type-ahead functionality: I know of type-ahead, but it's not an adequate replacement for a real path+file text entry. This is how I usually browse for files: (I on

Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ (-: sooner or later :-) KDEification of GIMP

2005-06-21 Thread Jakub Steiner
On Tue, 2005-06-21 at 13:02 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Tuesday, June 21, 2005, 1:02:34, Sven Neumann wrote: > > >> No, it does not at all work surprisingly well. It is *extremely* > >> slow, it hinders, it flickers, it destroys the selection, it pops up > >> a window. It feels like an ug

Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ (-: sooner or later :-) KDEification of GIMP

2005-06-21 Thread jernej
On Tuesday, June 21, 2005, 1:02:34, Sven Neumann wrote: >> No, it does not at all work surprisingly well. It is *extremely* >> slow, it hinders, it flickers, it destroys the selection, it pops up >> a window. It feels like an ugly kludge and certainly does not wor >> "surprisingly well". > I canno

Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ (-: sooner or later :-) KDEification of GIMP

2005-06-21 Thread pcg
On Tue, Jun 21, 2005 at 01:02:34AM +0200, Sven Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I don't know what "I am smoking", but this very compaint has come up > > a number of times, and your only reaction is to talk it down. > > That is a blatant lie. The reaction to these concerns is that me and Th

Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ (-: sooner or later :-) KDEification of GIMP

2005-06-20 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ( Marc) (A.) (Lehmann )> writes: > I don't know what "I am smoking", but this very compaint has come up > a number of times, and your only reaction is to talk it down. That is a blatant lie. The reaction to these concerns is that me and other GIMP developers have spent a l

Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ (-: sooner or later :-) KDEification of GIMP

2005-06-20 Thread pcg
On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 11:14:03AM +0200, Dennis Bjorklund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > One thing is that people, and _many_ people, just want their location > > entry back, for lots of reasons: discoverability, pastability and so > > on. But for some reason this simply does not happen. > > Do

Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ (-: sooner or later :-) KDEification of GIMP

2005-06-20 Thread Dennis Bjorklund
On Mon, 20 Jun 2005, Robert L Krawitz wrote: > Again: adding a simple text entry box for the filename, with tab > completion but not autocompletion, would entirely solve my problem > here! And I would be happy if you could enter these things in the entry box that pop up when you just start to ty

Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ (-: sooner or later :-) KDEification of GIMP

2005-06-20 Thread Robert L Krawitz
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 13:59:44 +0200 (CEST) From: Dennis Bjorklund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > The ctrl-L popup has lots of problems; not only is it not > apparent how to get to it (there's nothing that points at > ctrl-L), but it's very clumsy to use (you have to type ctrl-L, > type

Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ (-: sooner or later :-) KDEification of GIMP

2005-06-20 Thread John Cupitt
On 6/20/05, Dennis Bjorklund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 20 Jun 2005, Robert L Krawitz wrote: > > > Adding a simple file (text) entry box with tab completion (and a > > preference to turn on autocompletion) would, IMHO, solve virtually all > > of the problems. > > Or just make the curren

Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ (-: sooner or later :-) KDEification of GIMP

2005-06-20 Thread Dennis Bjorklund
On Mon, 20 Jun 2005, Robert L Krawitz wrote: > Adding a simple file (text) entry box with tab completion (and a > preference to turn on autocompletion) would, IMHO, solve virtually all > of the problems. Or just make the current system work better. In my installation you can type in a filename,

Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ (-: sooner or later :-) KDEification of GIMP

2005-06-20 Thread Robert L Krawitz
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 11:14:03 +0200 (CEST) From: Dennis Bjorklund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Mon, 20 Jun 2005, Marc wrote: > One thing is that people, and _many_ people, just want their location > entry back, for lots of reasons: discoverability, pastability and so > on. But for s

Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ (-: sooner or later :-) KDEification of GIMP

2005-06-20 Thread Dennis Bjorklund
On Mon, 20 Jun 2005, Marc wrote: > One thing is that people, and _many_ people, just want their location > entry back, for lots of reasons: discoverability, pastability and so > on. But for some reason this simply does not happen. Do you want this only in gimp or in all programs that use the gtk+

Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ (-: sooner or later :-) KDEification of GIMP

2005-06-20 Thread pcg
On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 12:40:37AM +0200, Sven Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Perhaps you should stop looking at the dialog and just blindly enter > paths. It works surprisingly well. I just told you that this is not true. Then you told me you'd not ignore complaints. Now you tell me what

Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ (-: sooner or later :-) KDEification of GIMP]

2005-06-19 Thread Robert L Krawitz
From: Sven Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 00:40:37 +0200 > If you want details then "exactly as in gtk+-1.0" should suffice, > because that dialog simply worked. No extra window, no slow extra > popups that you have to wait for, no fancy and distracting > _hil

Re: [gwidion@mpc.com.br: Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ (-: sooner or later :-) KDEification of GIMP]

2005-06-19 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, Marc Lehmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > For some reaosn I cna hardly believe that after reading your original > posting. You simply show no sign of understanding for the preferences > other people have, as if one-size-fits-all would be the perfect solution. Huh? I've been collecting the w

Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ (-: sooner or later :-) KDEification of GIMP]

2005-06-19 Thread pcg
On Sun, Jun 19, 2005 at 11:53:32AM +0200, Sven Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You should really accept that, even if it works for you, and even if you > > cannot understand it. > > I do accept that For some reaosn I cna hardly believe that after reading your original posting. You simply

Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ (-: sooner or later :-) KDEification of GIMP]

2005-06-19 Thread Simon Budig
Sven Neumann ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: [Fileselector] > I do accept that but I would like people to point out exactly what > problems they have instead of just saying that they dislike the new > dialogs. Without detailed complaints we can't do anything to improve > the situation. What occurred to

Re: [gwidion@mpc.com.br: Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ (-: sooner or later :-) KDEification of GIMP]

2005-06-19 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ( Marc) (A.) (Lehmann )> writes: >> to be the case with the early implementations but certainly not with >> the latest GTK+ 2.6 releases. The file dialog is getting better and >> better with each release. > > You keep repeating this as if it were some kind of religion - why

Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ (-: sooner or later :-) KDEification of GIMP]

2005-06-18 Thread pcg
[This is a re-sent because my reent mails had been sent for moderation ut never appeared on-list: is the list still moderated?] On Sat, Jun 18, 2005 at 03:23:02PM +0200, Sven Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And, you aren't seriously trying to argue that the new GtkFileChooser > would be wors

Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ (-: sooner or later :-) KDEification of GIMP

2005-06-18 Thread Carol Spears
On Sat, Jun 18, 2005 at 10:13:26PM +0800, Leon Brooks wrote: > On Friday 17 June 2005 22:25, Carol Spears wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 17, 2005 at 09:05:30AM +0800, Leon Brooks wrote: > >> This may seem like an oxymoron, given GIMP's heavy defacto > >> relationship with GNOME-flavoured GTK, but is there

Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ (-: sooner or later :-) KDEification of GIMP

2005-06-18 Thread Leon Brooks
On Saturday 18 June 2005 09:08, Sven Neumann wrote: > What aboout DND, the clipboard? Reporting on GIMP 2.2.7 under KDE 3.4.1. DND from GIMP does not work. The cursor changes but nothing happens if I drop onto (e.g.) KMail. Konqueror asks for a name, then turns a layer into a 2-byte file (0x003

Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ (-: sooner or later :-) KDEification of GIMP

2005-06-18 Thread Leon Brooks
On Friday 17 June 2005 22:25, Carol Spears wrote: > On Fri, Jun 17, 2005 at 09:05:30AM +0800, Leon Brooks wrote: >> This may seem like an oxymoron, given GIMP's heavy defacto >> relationship with GNOME-flavoured GTK, but is there any GIMP >> equivalent to OpenOffice's KDE integration >> (http://kde

Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ (-: sooner or later :-) KDEification of GIMP

2005-06-18 Thread Alan Horkan
On Fri, 17 Jun 2005, Leon Brooks wrote: > Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 09:05:30 +0800 > From: Leon Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu > Subject: [Gimp-developer] FAQ (-: sooner or later :-) KDEification of GIMP > > This may seem like an oxym

Re: [gwidion@mpc.com.br: Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ (-: sooner or later :-) KDEification of GIMP]

2005-06-18 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, Bill Kendrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I'd love it if Gimp used KDE's file dialogs. The new Gimp one is > quite annoying, compared to both the older Gimp file dialogs and the > latest KDE ones. Asking the GIMP developers to implement native file selection dialogs is just silly. The new

[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ (-: sooner or later :-) KDEification of GIMP]

2005-06-17 Thread Bill Kendrick
"Joao S. O. Bueno Calligaris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I actually run the GIMP on KDE, and it works just fine. Minor bug > related to KDE integration are reported form time to time to > bugzilla, and that is all there is that doesn't work. I'd love it if Gimp used KDE's file dialogs. The

Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ (-: sooner or later :-) KDEification of GIMP

2005-06-17 Thread Joao S. O. Bueno Calligaris
On Friday 17 June 2005 18:11, Sven Neumann wrote: > Hi, > > > GIMP is not a GNOME application, it uses GTK+, the GIMP toolkit. > This is by chance the same toolkit that GNOME uses, so integration > with GNOME is easier to achieve. That doesn't mean though that we > wouldn't try to make GIMP work w

Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ (-: sooner or later :-) KDEification of GIMP

2005-06-17 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, Boudewijn Rempt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Basically, there are no problems at all. Not a single one. The > incompatibility betweeen Gnome and KDE applications is much > exaggerated. Sure, KDE apps take a little longer to startup on > Gnome, and vice versa, but, well, you cannot expect eac

Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ (-: sooner or later :-) KDEification of GIMP

2005-06-17 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, Leon Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > This may seem like an oxymoron, given GIMP's heavy defacto relationship > with GNOME-flavoured GTK, but is there any GIMP equivalent to > OpenOffice's KDE integration (http://kde.openoffice.org/)? GIMP is not a GNOME application, it uses GTK+, the

Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ (-: sooner or later :-) KDEification of GIMP

2005-06-17 Thread Carol Spears
On Fri, Jun 17, 2005 at 09:05:30AM +0800, Leon Brooks wrote: > This may seem like an oxymoron, given GIMP's heavy defacto relationship > with GNOME-flavoured GTK, but is there any GIMP equivalent to > OpenOffice's KDE integration (http://kde.openoffice.org/)? > do you know what "GTK" stands for?

Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ (-: sooner or later :-) KDEification of GIMP

2005-06-17 Thread Michael Schumacher
> Von: Leon Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > This may seem like an oxymoron, given GIMP's heavy defacto relationship > with GNOME-flavoured GTK, but is there any GIMP equivalent to > OpenOffice's KDE integration (http://kde.openoffice.org/)? If KDE/Qt and GNOME/GTK+ both adhere to the freedesktop.

[Gimp-developer] FAQ (-: sooner or later :-) KDEification of GIMP

2005-06-16 Thread Leon Brooks
This may seem like an oxymoron, given GIMP's heavy defacto relationship with GNOME-flavoured GTK, but is there any GIMP equivalent to OpenOffice's KDE integration (http://kde.openoffice.org/)? The closest I could find was a vague reference to a pre-2.0 KDEified version of The GIMP, apparently c